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Speaker 1: of this show at dan Patrick dot com. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten officially changed its own rule regarding the minimum

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Speaker 1: number of games required to reach the conference title game.

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Speaker 1: Teams were supposed to play at least six games. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why the Big Ten did this to begin with,

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Speaker 1: because they knew what they were up against, so they

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Speaker 1: created an obstacle for themselves, and they were already obstacles there.

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Speaker 1: They reversed course to allow Ohio State and Northwestern to

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Speaker 1: compete for the championship. Critics can't understand why the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten was being so rigid in the first place. It's

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Speaker 1: not like they had hard and fast rules here in

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Speaker 1: place before this, and it's meant a lot of people

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Speaker 1: pointed out on social media, this is a conference called

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten and there's fourteen teams in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: They're not great on details. They've been pretty inconsistent all

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Speaker 1: year long. You cancel the season, you tell Nebraska you

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Speaker 1: can't go rogue here, and then you realize maybe Ohio

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Speaker 1: State and Wisconsin they want to go rogue here if

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Speaker 1: some of their games are canceled. Ohio State has three

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Speaker 1: games canceled. Okay, Ohio State is the best team in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten, the Big Ten, they've changed their minds.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't necessarily have to play for a conference

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Speaker 1: title to be in the final four, but the conference

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Speaker 1: realizes they would love to have Ohio State in the

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Speaker 1: conference championship game. Another victory, I guess could help if

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Speaker 1: they beat Northwestern here. I don't think o Ohio State

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Speaker 1: has to play another game because let's put it this way,

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Speaker 1: if Ohio State beats Northwestern for the Big Ten title.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't change anything. If Florida beats Alabama, Florida and

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Speaker 1: Alabama are going to be in the final four. If

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Speaker 1: Clemson beats Notre Dame, Clemson and Notre Dame are going

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Speaker 1: to be in the final four. It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 1: Ohio State does. If I'm Ohio State, I'd I'd rather

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Speaker 1: play a second place team than I would Northwestern. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just applying logic to this. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: their game canceled and they stayed in the final four

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Speaker 1: beating Northwestern, that's not going to change anything. If Alabama

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Speaker 1: loses and Notre Dame loses, because it feels like the

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Speaker 1: committee will reward Clemson in Florida, and it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what Ohio State does. But you know, people were saying

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Speaker 1: on social media, have them play Texas A and M.

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Speaker 1: Why if I'm Ohio State, I don't want to. I

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Speaker 1: don't have to run the risk of anything here. You

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Speaker 1: already put me in the final four. A and M

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Speaker 1: needs the game against Ohio State, not the other way around. Also,

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Speaker 1: what we've seen, we pulled back the curtain completely on

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Speaker 1: college football. It's basically about ten to twelve schools that

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Speaker 1: have a chance that we really care about and that

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Speaker 1: the Selection Committee will look at and value what they do.

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Speaker 1: Iowa States had a wonderful season, but should they be

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Speaker 1: ranked where they're ranked where they're ranked there because they're

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Speaker 1: in a Power five conference. And this is where college

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Speaker 1: football needs to have a coming to Jesus meeting and say,

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Speaker 1: let's stop being phony here. Let's have the Power five

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Speaker 1: and I trust Reese Davis means well, and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell me what's really happening. And what I see every

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night is it's the same nonsense over and over

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Speaker 1: Conference has done well this year, but the Sun Belt

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Speaker 1: Conference is not going to be rewarded. And as Pat

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Speaker 1: Forty pointed out, in his great column. The final proof

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Speaker 1: was presented in the following rankings. Iowa State number seven,

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Speaker 1: Louisiana's number nineteen, and he says, you will never have

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Speaker 1: by seventeen points, doesn't matter, and the raging Cajuns are

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Speaker 1: a fun story, doesn't matter. Cincinnati has got no chance

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Speaker 1: and say, bring it on, b YU, bring it on.

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Speaker 1: They did what we want them to do. They want

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Speaker 1: to find somebody to play. And that's the best game

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Speaker 1: you BYU Wasn't that good? Not? Coastal Carolina is a

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Speaker 1: nice story. We don't allow you to dream in college football.

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Speaker 1: And then here's the Big Ten embarrassing itself. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing? We said six games, I know,

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Speaker 1: but we don't need six games. Nobody cares, you know,

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Speaker 1: we wrote it down in pencil just to raise it.

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Speaker 1: Put five and then look, I want to see Ohio

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Speaker 1: State play. I want to see Justin Fields. I want

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Speaker 1: to see all that talent out there. Absolutely, but let's

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Speaker 1: They didn't. But they're probably going to play for, you know,

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Speaker 1: the final four in a national championship. There all the

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Speaker 1: other sports. When you think about it, there's always a chance.

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Speaker 1: Right If I said, you know what, we can't let

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions in because they've been bad for decades.

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Speaker 1: But if they qualified, then okay, but still we don't

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Speaker 1: want them in. They're not any good like you don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't dare to dream when it comes to college football.

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Speaker 1: And that's a shame because March Madness is built on

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Speaker 1: a dream. It really is. Everybody gets a chance. You

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Speaker 1: one seed. Now, granted we get further along in the tournament,

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Speaker 1: we do want to see great teams play for the championship.

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Speaker 1: But the magic of NC State knocking off Houston, that's

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Speaker 1: what we live for, that's what we remember, and we

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Speaker 1: don't have that with college football. We don't allow that

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Speaker 1: to happen. But this is where the Power five conferences

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Speaker 1: need to seceed from the NCAA and just say this

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Speaker 1: is business and that's what it is. It's business what

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Speaker 1: they've put those kids through this year. You can't tell

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Speaker 1: me all their student athletes, they're athletes. Everything they've gone through,

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve and USC, Yeah, they would be. And I

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Speaker 1: know that we it's a shell game. You're like, you

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Speaker 1: know the three three card monteon you go it's that one,

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Speaker 1: and you go, no, it's not eight. You changed it

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Speaker 1: on me. No, They've been doing this for years. But

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Speaker 1: understand how arbitrary college football is. The fact we'd have

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Speaker 1: a mythical national championship. We had co national championships one year,

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Speaker 1: Oh you gotta have the BCS. It's one versus two,

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Speaker 1: it's the BCS and that's the way to go. And

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Speaker 1: no it's not, No, it's not. Now we got four,

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Speaker 1: will we get to eight? And if we get to eight,

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Speaker 1: is it going to be the Power five Conferences? I

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Speaker 1: just like when you see a story and you have

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Speaker 1: be more excited to watch a team that you don't

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Speaker 1: get a hint. Now, maybe they get blown out. I

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Speaker 1: remember when Hawaii Hawaii qualified for a New Year's Day

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Speaker 1: Bowl game. Maybe it was the Sugar Bowl and they

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Speaker 1: And as an athlete, you just want a chance. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes Goliath looks really big, and sometimes, as Boise State

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Speaker 1: If Alabama wins a national title, Clemson wins a national title,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go okay, that was great. Like who won

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Speaker 1: the national title last year? Right, what do you remember

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Speaker 1: about that national title game? It's the same formula, it's

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Speaker 1: the same teams, and it's unfortunate because college football is wonderful,

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Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. Now, can you extend it to eight teams?

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Speaker 1: but I just I get disappointed when I watched this.

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Speaker 1: I know what's real, and it feels like we penalize

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Speaker 1: And Coastal Carolina earned my respect in more ways than

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Speaker 1: one because they said, let's play, let's put it all

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Speaker 1: Because you have to understand this as a viewer, this

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Speaker 1: I had somebody tell me this last night. Source said,

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Speaker 1: A and M. I go, no, they don't. And he said, well,

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Speaker 1: false pretenses here. This is about who do we get

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Speaker 1: I think you have to understand that. And that's a

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Speaker 1: harsh reality. I don't like seeing it. I love the underdog.

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Speaker 1: And I've covered this. I've covered sports for forty years now,

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Speaker 1: and it's littered with the what if. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: did you Villanova against Georgetown? What did they have eight losses?

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Speaker 1: Going in? Oh, you can't have a team with eight

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Speaker 1: national title. It's just about a moment, and that's that's

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Speaker 1: Red Sox beat the Cardinals four straight after coming back

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Speaker 1: to beat the Yankee is an afterthought. We're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you beat the Yankees, you're gonna win the World Series,

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Speaker 1: like we didn't care anymore after that. But I know

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Speaker 1: I'm all over the map, but I just get I

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Speaker 1: get disappointed, you know when I look at these rankings,

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Speaker 1: because there is a glass ceiling, make no mistake about

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Speaker 1: NC Double A, well, the Power five conferences should be

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Speaker 1: we're doing, and then just go do it. Take sixty

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Speaker 1: schools and say this is what we're doing. You want

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Speaker 1: to have a ten teen, twelve teen sixteen team playoff

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Speaker 1: I think we have to go. Are you in favor

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Speaker 1: Everything you said, it's convincing. Why not do a sixteen

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Speaker 1: he ran over there and introduced himself, strick Ben's hand,

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Speaker 1: and he's just he said, Man, I just I had

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Speaker 1: to do that. Coach, I said, all right, no, that's

428
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Speaker 1: when you say introduce yourself after you've sacked him. Okay,

429
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Speaker 1: but you know what, that's I left that to one

430
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Speaker 1: of the other coaches to say, Okay, the philosophy going

431
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Speaker 1: into this, you know the Steelers they don't have a

432
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Speaker 1: great running game right now, and you knew Ben was

433
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Speaker 1: gonna throw a lot, but what was what was the

434
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Speaker 1: defensive philosophy against the Steelers? Well, was to make sure

435
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Speaker 1: we we we could shut the run down to to

436
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Speaker 1: to get it to a point where where they were

437
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Speaker 1: one dimensional. And I get it, they weren't missing their

438
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Speaker 1: best run. They were missing their best runner. Uh and

439
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: and and and some of their offensive alignement. But you know,

440
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Speaker 1: we still felt that if we could stop the run

441
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Speaker 1: and get them to be where they were one dimensional,

442
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Speaker 1: we really felt we had a really good opportunity. When

443
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Speaker 1: did you know you were going to win that game? Um? Wow? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I would I would say probably the middle of the

445
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Um, you know, we took the lead, felt

446
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Speaker 1: really comfortable about it, got an opportunity to extend the lead. Um,

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Speaker 1: But I'd say middle of the fourth quarters, just the energy,

448
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: the vibe, everything was going in the right direction. What

449
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Speaker 1: was it like in the locker room after the win?

450
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Speaker 1: It was cool, it was I mean, it was it's

451
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Speaker 1: it's It's one of those things that you remember. It's

452
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Speaker 1: one of those things that you truly appreciate and you

453
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: don't get it unless you've been in the locker room.

454
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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you it was Pandemonia. The guy were excellent.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so happy for those guys because you know,

456
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Speaker 1: a lot of them have gone through a lot for

457
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Speaker 1: the last few years. A lot of them went through

458
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Speaker 1: a lot, you know, this this offseason, having to to

459
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Speaker 1: take all the body blows that this team took, you know,

460
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: from from everything from the the U, the social issues,

461
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Speaker 1: to the naming to to to those those articles that

462
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Speaker 1: came out. Um, there was just a lot. And and

463
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: this really think was if you could feel the energy

464
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: that they were releasing, you would almost think, God, they're

465
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Speaker 1: just letting a lot of steam off right now. What

466
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Speaker 1: did you think when you saw Alex Smith's bloody ankle?

467
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Speaker 1: I thought, oh goodness, and then I realized it was

468
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Speaker 1: his It was his It was his it was his

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Speaker 1: left leg, not his right. And then thought, Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: he's got he got cleded. I mean, because I believe me.

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Speaker 1: I I can remember bleeding through my socks, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: and and knowing that, you know, hey, I'd gotten cleted.

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Speaker 1: So that's when I said, okay, well just for a

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Speaker 1: brief second, and then I realized it was his left leg.

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Speaker 1: I thought the same thing because I started to take

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Speaker 1: an inventory and I go, oh my god, what what leg?

477
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Speaker 1: What leg? What leg? And then I realized and then

478
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Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, he got cleaned, which hurts,

479
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Speaker 1: but you know what he's been through. We're going, oh, yeah,

480
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: he just got cleaned and he's bleeding. There not a

481
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Speaker 1: big deal. When you when you start to assess the

482
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Speaker 1: quarterbacking situation though in the future, you know, as a

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Speaker 1: head coach, as a team given Alex his age. Um ye,

484
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Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, Dwayne Haskins like, when you mean that, that's

485
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: definitely something we're talking about right now, because again, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: you hate to be in the quarterback business because because

487
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: that means you're you're you're trying to find one. And

488
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Speaker 1: right now we're feeling really good about what we're getting

489
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Speaker 1: from Alex, the leadership we've gotten from him um and

490
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Speaker 1: also what he's doing and helping to develop the rest

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Speaker 1: of the team. I mean, we got a group of

492
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Speaker 1: young wide receivers that that really seemed to be taking

493
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Speaker 1: the next step. We have a tight end and Logan

494
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Speaker 1: Thomas that's really starting to come into his own. We've

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Speaker 1: got some young running backs that are getting opportunities that

496
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Speaker 1: he's helping to develop. And we got an off that's

497
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Speaker 1: the line that we've kind of put together, and those

498
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Speaker 1: guys seem to play accordingly because of what he's done

499
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Speaker 1: and because we control the ball um better, the defense

500
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Speaker 1: isn't on the field as long, you know what I'm saying.

501
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's helped the defense as well. So

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Speaker 1: it's you know, we're we'll have a lot of conversations

503
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Speaker 1: going into the off season. I mean, it's something we

504
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Speaker 1: really have to discuss, and then we got to see

505
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Speaker 1: how Alex's feeling wants the season is over as well.

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Speaker 1: You'll appreciate this my Heisman Trophy pick a few years ago,

507
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Speaker 1: m was your tight end? Oh really? Yes? When he

508
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Speaker 1: was in Virginia Tech, I thought they were going to

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Speaker 1: run the table. I loved Logan Thomas. I said, Remember,

510
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Speaker 1: I thought man he's gonna be like that. Now, is

511
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Speaker 1: he an emergency quarterback at all? Like? Is he is

512
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Speaker 1: he fourth string? Yes, he's he's he's the emergency guy

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Speaker 1: on the field for US. Um, you know what, We're

514
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Speaker 1: going to games with two. So he's actually third string.

515
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Speaker 1: And man, we had a little taste of it against

516
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Speaker 1: Dallas on Thanksgiving Day when he ran the tight end

517
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Speaker 1: reverse pass and hit Terry McLaurin downfield. Oh yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: My guys still don't let they don't let me forget

519
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Speaker 1: the Oh yeah, Logan Thomas, Yeah, heisman. The fact that

520
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Speaker 1: he's playing in the NFL, I deserve a little credit

521
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Speaker 1: for that, I thought, Yeah, just a little. Let me.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, you talk about a smart

523
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Speaker 1: football player, I mean he gets it, he understands it,

524
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Speaker 1: and because of it, I think it's helped him at

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Speaker 1: the position of tight end. Right now? Can you out

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Speaker 1: bench any of your starters on defense? Not anymore? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious about at your peak though. Oh i'd

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Speaker 1: have had a chance. I would have had a chance.

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Speaker 1: What about on offense? You can you can out bench

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith? Right? Um? I'll tell you what now, he's

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Speaker 1: a warrior inside the weight room. Are you kidding? Oh

532
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Speaker 1: my god? Wait, what's a warrior in the weight room?

533
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Speaker 1: Mean a guy that just slings it? He's around just

534
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Speaker 1: fighting the way I mean he is, He's impressive. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, We've got some guys that are that

536
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Speaker 1: that really are are our ward daddies when they get

537
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Speaker 1: into the weight room. Isn't that's an impressive thing to watch?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it great? We're not talking about your health, Yes,

539
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Speaker 1: it is, Thank goodness, and I really do mean that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very fortunate. Thank you. Yeah, Well, the

541
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Speaker 1: holidays should be a whole lot better. Uh, tied for

542
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Speaker 1: first in the NFC East, you got the Niners coming

543
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Speaker 1: up more importantly. Uh, you look great, sound great, and

544
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Speaker 1: uh we appreciate your time as always, coach. Thanks, Dan,

545
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Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.

546
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine

547
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Speaker 1: until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

548
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at

549
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Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Let's

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Speaker 1: bringing Pat forty on loan from Sports Illustration. Pat. Good morning, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm fired up. About this, But I shouldn't be because

552
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: this happens every single year. Can we get let me

553
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Speaker 1: let me give you a pull question here. You could

554
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Speaker 1: have an eighteen playoff, or we could just have the

555
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: Power five conferences secede from the Union and they would

556
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Speaker 1: have their own league, their own you know, guidelines, their

557
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: own commissioner. Which one would you rather have? Which one

558
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: is more feasible? Oh, that's a great question. I think

559
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Speaker 1: a team playoff is more feasible. You know, it would

560
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: still end up with seven at least Power five teams

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Speaker 1: in it. Uh, you know, if they could, if they

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Speaker 1: could make it eight for eight, they would. But I

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't like the idea of the Power

564
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Speaker 1: five splitting off because I think that really jeopardizes the

565
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Speaker 1: basketball tournament. You know, it's becomes two separate entities really

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Speaker 1: from the NCAA. And maybe that's what should happen, but

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00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: I just think it'd become then you could you could

568
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: also easily split off the basketball tournament and further ruined

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Speaker 1: college sports because then, you know, Butler doesn't get to

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Speaker 1: go to a Final four against Yukon and against Duke

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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. So I think I would

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Speaker 1: prefer to see an eight team playoff with the perhaps

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Speaker 1: again still naive hope that they would do the right

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Speaker 1: thing and at least be somewhat inclusive of somebody outside

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Speaker 1: the Power five. Right who's gotten jobbed here in the

576
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: college football rankings, Well, Cincinnati absolutely has gotten jobbed. Coast

577
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: to Carolina has gotten job Louisiana has gotten wildly jobbed.

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Speaker 1: BYU has gotten jobbed. You can make a case that

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Speaker 1: Indiana has gotten jobbed as well. But let's concentrate on

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Speaker 1: the teams outside the Power five that have had great seasons.

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Speaker 1: For Iowa State to be number seven with two losses

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Speaker 1: in a league that completely flopped in their one week

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Speaker 1: where they tried to play non conference games, the Big

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00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: Twelve went oo and three against the Sun Belt. But

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Speaker 1: the two loss leader of the Big Twelve is six

586
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Speaker 1: spots ahead of the undefeated leader of the Sun Belt

587
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: and twelve spots ahead of the Sun Belt team that

588
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: beat its butt in aims to open the season. It's

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Speaker 1: just posterous to me. It's like, and I said the column,

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Speaker 1: the default setting in Golge sports is well, the Big

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00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: twelve is good. Well, the proof on the field was

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Speaker 1: that the Big twelve was not good when they played

593
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Speaker 1: somebody other than the Big twelve, but they still get

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Speaker 1: rewarded because we're used to saying the Big twelve is good.

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Speaker 1: So that's what just it frosts me to no end

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Speaker 1: that this is the way things always work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is undefeated, has been statistically dominant, has been dominant

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Speaker 1: in every game except for UCF, which is a pretty

599
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: good team, and they pulled that game out. They lose,

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Speaker 1: they dropped back a spot because they didn't play. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's preposterous. I would love to

602
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Speaker 1: be in the committee room so I could be throwing

603
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Speaker 1: things at him saying what are you doing? Unfair or

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00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: smart decision by Big ten to allow Ohio State to

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Speaker 1: play for the conference championship, A little bit of both

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Speaker 1: if it can be. I mean, ultimately it's a smart decision.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the one rationale that they expressed

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Speaker 1: makes sense. That look, even if they had played this

609
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Speaker 1: week and lost, they still would have won the East.

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Speaker 1: So you you know, you could go ahead and say

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Speaker 1: they I mean, if you can say they are the

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Speaker 1: best team in the East without having to you know,

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Speaker 1: stretch yourself very far they beat Indiana now, but again,

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Speaker 1: this is one more example of let's change the rules,

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Speaker 1: and let's change the rules to favor the favored son,

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Speaker 1: which you know there had this reason this season in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten, largely because Ohio State stood there on

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Speaker 1: the table and said, we can win the national championship.

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Speaker 1: Give us a chance. So you know, we're getting out

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Speaker 1: of the point where, oh, gosh, by league protocol, league

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Speaker 1: rules that we all agreed on, you're not gonna win

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten championship. I will just change that. So

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Speaker 1: I understand the frustration by other people out there. It

624
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Speaker 1: looks like more favoritism for Ohiuse State. It is more

625
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: favoritism for Ohiuse State. But there's also some pragmatism behind it.

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Speaker 1: Can Notre Dame stay in the Final four if they

627
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Speaker 1: get blown out by Clemson? Good question, boy, blow out

628
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: gets iffy obviously, if Texas A and M is sitting

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Speaker 1: there with one loss, uh, you know, or if Florida

630
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: beats Alabama, then then their their position is more precarious,

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Speaker 1: you know, if it's if they lose by two touchdowns

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Speaker 1: or I think they're you know, and I can competitive

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Speaker 1: with Clemson. But if they're not if if it's three

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Speaker 1: four touchdowns, it's iffy for them. Yeah. I was wondering

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Speaker 1: about Ohio State that they don't need to play another

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Speaker 1: game and they can still qualify for the Final four.

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00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: They're already in the four top four. That's why when

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Speaker 1: social media was like A and M and Ohio State

639
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: should play, and I'm like that, only that's going to

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Speaker 1: benefit A and M. Like Ohio States not moving up

641
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Speaker 1: even if they beat A and M. But I wonder

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Speaker 1: about that with if Florida would happen to win, Alabama

643
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Speaker 1: is still going to be in the Final four. If

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00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: Clemson beats Notre Dame but not by a lot, then

645
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: those two schools are still going to be in there.

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Speaker 1: That'd be your final four in Ohio State would be

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Speaker 1: knocked out. Yeah, I would be the precarious position for

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Speaker 1: Ohio State there, you know, and I mean it. It

649
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: is important just because that possibility exists. It's important for

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Speaker 1: Ohiouse State to play the Big Ten title and look

651
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: good I think against Northwestern because if Florida, if Florida

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Speaker 1: beats Alabama, they're probably gonna get knocked out because then,

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Speaker 1: as you said, Florida beats Alabama, clubs and Beasts Notre

654
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Speaker 1: Dame in a close game. That's probably the way it is.

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00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: If Alabama beats Ohio State, then yeah, I'm sorry, Alabama

656
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Speaker 1: beats Florida, then Ohio State doesn't really need the other game.

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Speaker 1: As you said, no, no teams, undefeated teams lose ground

658
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Speaker 1: unless you're Cincinnati. Oh. I know I'm howling at the

659
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: moon with this, but I care and I just don't

660
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: know if I'm just being naive here. I mean, well

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00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I am, I'm naive about it because I actually thought,

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00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, this year, I thought, going in, okay, it's

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00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: chaotic two conferences. Two of the Power five conferences are

664
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: only playing half as many games as the other ones.

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't know whether they will get considerate. And then

666
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: after Week one, then the Big twelve absolutely steps in,

667
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Speaker 1: and I thought, well, the path is wide open. Three

668
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: of the Power five conferences are compromised to a degree.

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Speaker 1: We just need one Power one team from outside the

670
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: Power five to be really good and low and be old.

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00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: Here comes Cincinnati doing everything they need to do, and

672
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: you get to the end, it's like, now we're gonna

673
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: keep you behind these one lost SEC teams and all

674
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Speaker 1: know now We're going to move you behind the two

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Speaker 1: lost team from the Big twelve. Even though the Big

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Speaker 1: twelve sticks keep fighting the good fight. Pat, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's Pat forty is column the forty yard

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Speaker 1: Dash there on Sports Illustrating. Thanks for listening to The

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live

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00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six to

681
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station

682
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,

683
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Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1: by searching f s R, or stream us live on

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Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. So EC will flex out of the

686
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Speaker 1: Cowboys and they will flex into the Giants in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: That will be December twentieth, week fifteen spring in one

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Speaker 1: of the stars at Football Night in America. Also the

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Speaker 1: color analysts for Notre Dame Football, Tony Dungee, How surprising

690
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: is that tone that you know the Cowboys are ratings gold? Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever done this before, Dan, and

692
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a shock to the system.

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Speaker 1: But I tell you one guy who's happy. Your man.

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Speaker 1: Justin Dungee is the biggest Browns fan in the world.

695
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Speaker 1: He's got his Baker Mayfield jersey, all his brown stuff

696
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Speaker 1: ready to go for next Sunday. This is Tony's son

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Speaker 1: who would always be there in the hallways when I

698
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: would go in on Sunday for Football Night in America.

699
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: He'd have his gloves on, receivers gloves on, and he

700
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: would just play whoever would throw the football to him.

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Speaker 1: My best to justin. I hope he's doing well. What

702
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: do you expect tonight with the Rams and the Patriots.

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00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting because, as you know, Bill Belichick

704
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Speaker 1: is famous and does a great job of taking away

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Speaker 1: what you do best. For the Rams, that's Aaron Domald

706
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: rushing the passer, and then offensively, all the quick movement,

707
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Speaker 1: jet sweet bootlegs, all of that. I think they're gonna

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00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: try to make Jerikoff stay in the pocket. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an interesting game, a strategy game. Last time we

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Speaker 1: saw these two teams in the Super Bowl, Bill Belichick

711
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: definitely got the best of it. But explain that to me.

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Speaker 1: All those years that you coached against Belichick, you know

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Speaker 1: he's going to try to take away what did he

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00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: try to take away from your Colts teams? When you

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Speaker 1: faced him. Well, for us for a long time, it

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Speaker 1: was the deep passing game. And I joked with Rodney Harrison.

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00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: We played a game against them in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: We ran the same play inside belly to the right

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Speaker 1: twelve straight times, took it all the way down the

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Speaker 1: field and scored. He didn't change defenses. He said, is

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning going to be patient enough? We had to

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Speaker 1: learn that and be patient and run the ball. Then

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Speaker 1: in the championship game, we're down, we had to drive

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Speaker 1: to win the game. He played the same coverage. He

725
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Speaker 1: was not going to let Marvin Harrison beat him. We

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Speaker 1: threw every ball in that drive to the left side,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark on the left, Brian Fletcher on

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Speaker 1: the left because he was not going to let Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison on the right beat him. And we had to

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Speaker 1: learn that. We had to go in and Peyton would

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Speaker 1: tell our guys Brian Fletchers and Reggie Wayne's you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a big day today because that's the way the

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Speaker 1: game is going to go. It's interesting, though, every team

734
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Speaker 1: knows that Bill's going to do this, and I think

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Speaker 1: he's done a really good job coaching this year, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're good at all, and we don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cam is probably more dangerous as a runner

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Speaker 1: than a passer. But if you're a Belichick, have you

739
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: seen enough of Cam that you know what your decision

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Speaker 1: is going to be at the end of the year

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Speaker 1: on is he going to be your quarterback? I think

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Speaker 1: it really depends on how this plays out. If they

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Speaker 1: continue to win and make the playoffs and make some

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Speaker 1: noise in the playoffs, then he says, yeah, I can

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00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: build around Cam Newton. Give me some other weapons that

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Speaker 1: kind of go with this. Build an offense like Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: get those defenders back who opted out for COVID, and yeah,

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00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: we could do some damage next year because we're not

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Speaker 1: that far away. Would you want to coach a running quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind, because I think what it does is

751
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: when you play other teams, they are off kilter, they're

752
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: all schedule, they've gotten ready to defend all this passing game.

753
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: And now when you defend Baltimore Lamar Jackson, it's a

754
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: totally different package. And a lot of people can adjust

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: like that. A few good defensive coaches can, but most

756
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: people can't. So I think you have a little advantage.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have a great drop back passer or

758
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: a great running quarterback? I think in this day and age,

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00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: you want the great passer because those guys are hired

760
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: to step Patrick Mahomes. With the way the rules are,

761
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: you aren't really going to be able to stop him.

762
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: You gotta hope he has an off day. You know,

763
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: you can load up on Lamar Jackson. We're gonna take

764
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: away the run. Now. He's got to have a great

765
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: day throwing the ball to beat us. But it is

766
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: so easy to throw the ball now. I think that's

767
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: what everybody's looking for. I want you to be honest,

768
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: and I know you always are sometimes to your detriment.

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00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: You kill me with that. When you were coaching. Were

770
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: you a faster runner than Peyton Manning? Not my last

771
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Speaker 1: couple of years. I think maybe when I was forty

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Speaker 1: eight or forty nine when I got there, But by

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Speaker 1: time I was fifty two. At the end of the day, No,

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00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: he could beat me, Are you sure? I think so?

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00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: When we ran off the field after the Super Bowl,

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00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: he'd beat me to the lockers. We're talking to Tony Dungee,

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer Football Night in America analyst, and

778
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: now you're working with the Texans on trying to help

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Speaker 1: them find a general manager. Is that right? No, don't

780
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: don't start that rumor, Dan. Okay, here's what happened. Okayl

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00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: McNair called several people and said, would you talk to

782
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Speaker 1: me about how to select a general manager and a

783
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: head coach? And I said, sir, I would love to well,

784
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that becomes your own a committee

785
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: to select the next gentleman. I've had fifty million texts

786
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: from people who want this job head coach or GM.

787
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: I am not picking the person. All I'm doing is

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00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: giving mister McNair formula. And what I told him, Dan,

789
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: is the same thing you and I have talked about

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Speaker 1: for years. I said, first of all, build your blueprint

791
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and tell me what you want. Then I can give

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00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: you some suggestions, but don't come to me and say

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Speaker 1: who's good. I have fifty people that i'd love to hire,

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Speaker 1: but they're not going to work for me, and it

795
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I think of them. You have to

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Speaker 1: decide what you want. Yeah. I wasn't sure about that,

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00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: and that's why I told Fritchie. I said, reach out

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Speaker 1: to coach, because I don't know if he's on a committee,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that people have put you on a

800
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: committee that there is no committee to hire the text

801
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: and next GM. Therefore you would be helping to hire

802
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: the next coach for the Texans as well. Who do

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00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna hire as a coach. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure because I've just had these preliminary conversations with mister

805
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: McNair and I always refer people back to Dan Rooney.

806
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: He had a formula for fifty years were Pittsburgh were

807
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: blue collar. It's going to be cold in the winter,

808
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: so I need a defensive coach that's rugged, hard nosed,

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00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: and I want a coach that I'm gonna be with

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00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: for twenty years, so that guy's gonna be young. And

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Speaker 1: that was his formula. He did it three times Chuck Noel,

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Speaker 1: Bill Kawer and Mike Tomlin and when he had Russ Grimm,

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00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: Ken wos Errands, Dick Lebou. But you know what, as

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00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: good as they were, they didn't fish this formula. That's

815
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Speaker 1: not what he was looking for. So yeah, we got

816
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: a spotty connection there with you. Ton't Todd. You want

817
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: to see if we can re establish that because I

818
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: do want to talk about Bill Kauer because Boomer as Siason,

819
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: who works with Bill Kauer on the NFL pregame show

820
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: on CBS, brought up on his radio show that it

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00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: seems like Bill Kauer wants to get back into coaching

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00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: the Jets. Yes, Paulli, it was a bit garbled there,

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00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: but I heard coach Dungee say he would consider. No. No,

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Speaker 1: that's what I heard. I know. Thanks for listening to

825
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us

826
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to

827
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find

828
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us

829
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: live on the Peacock App. Sunday Night, Ben Roethlisberger and

830
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: the Steeler's head to Buffalo to face a Bill's team

831
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Speaker 1: pushing for its first Division title in twenty five years

832
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Speaker 1: Sunday Nights, seven Eastern only on NBC. He is the

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Speaker 1: voice of Sunday Night Football, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I gotta call him a Hall of Famer now. Recipient

835
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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty one Ford Freak Award for Baseball Broadcasting,

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Speaker 1: Al Michaels look at you congratulations. Look at you. I'm

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Speaker 1: not winning anything. You're a freaking Hall of Famer now

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Speaker 1: I can say that. Al. You know, it's it's pretty

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Speaker 1: amazing because I haven't done a baseball game in twenty

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Speaker 1: five years except costas and I did a one off

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00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: in San Francisco for MLB Network back in I think

842
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: twenty eleven or twelve. So you know, I loved baseball.

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00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: I built my career around it. I did it between

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, when I started in the miners in

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Speaker 1: Hawaii and through nineteen ninety five. And you know, I

846
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Speaker 1: don't have any regrets in my career. I mean, I've

847
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: had a heck of a run here and been in

848
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fantastic places at the right time. But

849
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: if there's one small regret, it said it was never

850
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: at the network that had the rights to baseball after

851
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. I loved doing It's been a long time,

852
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: had a lot of you know, good fortune Cincinnati Reds

853
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: when you're you know, you're up there in Dayton and

854
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: listening to me as as a kid doing the Reds,

855
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: the Big Red Machine seventy one through seventy three, then

856
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: the Giants and Monday Night Baseball and all of the rest.

857
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: It was great. I loved it. And then to have

858
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: this happened to me, it was fantastic. And they announcement

859
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: on MLB Network yesterday, and then our great and good

860
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: friend mister Costas came on and we did a little

861
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: two way and had a lot of fun. He's already

862
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: playing the itinerary for Cooperstown in July. You know, Bob,

863
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: we won't be eating anything that has gluten in it,

864
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: but apart from that, it should be a heck for

865
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: a weekend. If I said, at age twenty two, you

866
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: got to choose one sport to broadcast, what would you

867
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: have chosen Baseball? No question. You know, when I got

868
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: out of Arizona State and had I had gotten there

869
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: specifically because the radio and TV program was so good.

870
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: I got to announce baseball, football, basketball. The football team

871
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: had Charlie Taylor, Curly cul coach by Frank Coush. The

872
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: basketball team I jump at Joe Caldwell, and the baseball

873
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: team had sal Bando, Rick Monday, and then Reggie Jackson

874
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: came along. So I loved baseball. I got my job

875
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: in Hawaii because I brought a tape to the man

876
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: who was running the team, a man by the name

877
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: of a Jack Quinn. I only wish he was still

878
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: alive to see this. He gave me the first break,

879
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: and so I have an audition tape in which sal

880
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: Bando is in the game. Reggie Jackson is a freshman.

881
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about him coming up the next year, because

882
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: freshman were not Elizabel. You got Rick Monday, and that's

883
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: how I wound up getting the Hawaii job. And that

884
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: was the trampoline and off we win. So I look

885
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: back and I can't believe it's been that long. It's

886
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: a long long time ago. And I had a little

887
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: email exchange with Johnny Bench today, so you know, a

888
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: lot of memories are flowing back right now. And there's

889
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: a certain cadence though well you could tell us better

890
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: than I can try to describe it. But you know,

891
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: you've done everything. But if you're looking for that, you

892
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: get into a rhythm. The sport that's the hardest to

893
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: get into a rhythm and the easiest to get into

894
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: a rhythm. I think baseball is the most satisfying, especially

895
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: on radio, because of its rhythm. If you look at football,

896
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: especially you know on television football, you've got four seconds

897
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: of action and then if they run the clock out,

898
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, like thirty five seconds of inaction, and normally

899
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: that's where the analyst comes in and does the replays.

900
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things, as you know in

901
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: a football telecash, a lot of traffic that you have

902
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: to handle. So it's it's difficult in that sense to

903
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: really get into the stories. Basketball and hockey are continuous,

904
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: so that's very difficult as well. Baseball is different. It's

905
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: a stop and a start, and it gives you a

906
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: lot of leeway and a lot of freedom to talk

907
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: about a lot of different things. And you know, these

908
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: days the games are going over three hours, so you

909
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: have plenty of time. It's played every day, so I

910
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: would say for me, baseball was always the easiest because

911
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: of that. Hockey's the hardest, no question about it. I mean,

912
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: the great Mike Emrick retiring this year and nobody did

913
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: it better. I mean, he was fantastic to be able

914
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: to do what he did. And you know, Mike started

915
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: on radio as well, and I think a lot of

916
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: the great announcers, you know, the guys who have reached

917
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: the pinnacle, got their start in radio. You learn to

918
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: paint pictures, and I see a lot of the young

919
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: kids are coming up right now, they're going right to television.

920
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going to happen in the future,

921
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: but I do know that those of us who you know,

922
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: Marv Albert and Mike Emrick and the guys who have

923
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: come up through the years, we all got our start

924
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: in radio, and I think that was tremendously beneficial. What

925
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: was your first professional game like as a broadcaster, Well,

926
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: it was I guess minor league baseball in Hawaii in

927
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. I guess that would count as in

928
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: the beginning. I went over there and uh, we're playing

929
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: the Eugene Emeralds. I think Larry Boa was playing in

930
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: that game, and Greg Luzinsky and Joel Lists and people

931
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: like that. I was very nervous, but you know, I

932
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: had grown up in Brooklyn and then our family had

933
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles. Ironically the same year the Dodgers

934
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: came to LA So I never missed a beat. And

935
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I've been listening to Vince Scully since I was six

936
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: years old. And by the way, one of the great

937
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: calls I got yesterday on the on the answering machinity.

938
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: It's Vinnie congratulating me, you know, joining the club. And

939
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: then we had a great conversation last night. I mean,

940
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: when I think of you, you know, you need a mentor.

941
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: And in a way, Vinnie was my mentor because from

942
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: the time I'm six until I go to Hawaii and

943
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: start my career, he's the voice I hear in my ear.

944
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: And I probably tried very hard to imitate Vinnie when

945
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: I started, and then I had to kind of find

946
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: my my own path and my own cadence. And I

947
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: didn't want to sound exact I feel like Benny, but

948
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: clearly he was. He taught me baseball by listening to

949
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: him a lot of those years. He taught me, you know,

950
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: pretty much had a broadcast. And then you know, through

951
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: the years, like I got very lucky to me, I

952
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: had so many great mentors. Bobby Winkles was the coach

953
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: in Arizona State. He would go on to manage the

954
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: White Sox, Thea's, and the Angels at different times. In Hawaii,

955
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: Chuck Tanner as the manager so and he would go

956
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: on to win the We Are Family World Series with

957
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh in seventy nine. I go to the Reds. I mean,

958
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: think about this. I've got Sparking Anderson, Pete Rose, Johnny Bench,

959
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Tony Perez, Joe Morgan. I think I learned a little

960
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: bit about baseball there. And one of the great things

961
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: for me is that in the three years in Cincinnati,

962
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: I had to do a Sparking Anderson ten minute radio

963
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: show every day. So I had at least ten minutes

964
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: with Sparking every single the main you remember, the main

965
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: spark brought to you by maybe Strows beer at that time,

966
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: of course you remember, but I would have to, you know,

967
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Sparky and I would at least have ten minutes alone

968
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: to tape the show, which always which very often turned

969
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: into like a half an hour. So I got a

970
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: PhD from Sparky, And think about this piece. We did

971
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: not only every regular season game, we did all thirty

972
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: spring training games, and the Reds got to the playoffs

973
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: twice into the World Series once when I was there.

974
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: So I probably did six hundred shows with Sparky Anderson,

975
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: and that's how I got my PhD in baseball. And

976
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: you bring up a great point. We're talking to Al

977
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: Michael's Sunday Night football play by play and now Baseball

978
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, the recipient of the twenty twenty one

979
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: Ford Frick Award for Baseball Broadcasting. Learning on Radio because radio.

980
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Really I fell in love with doing this by listening

981
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: to radio, whether it was you, Marty Brennaman and Joe Nuxall,

982
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: listening to talk shows, Pete Franklin out of Cleveland. You know,

983
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: I was very I was fortunate, but I'm listening. And

984
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: the power of the of just listening to words and

985
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: then creating your own picture, whatever that might be, is

986
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: really powerful. And I was never able to master a

987
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: play by play, but it did help me in communicating

988
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: in what I do on this show, and that is,

989
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: don't take it for granted. They know what you're talking

990
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: about or what it looks like, You've got to make

991
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: sure you explain it to him. And always think of

992
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: the radio listener more than the TV viewer, no question.

993
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: And especially in my era in Cincinnati, there weren't that

994
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: many games on television, so the vast majority of games

995
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: were radio only on WLW. And I would always picture,

996
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a guy sitting on a porch in Corbin, Kentucky,

997
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, having a beverage and sitting out there, you know,

998
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: in the twilight in the summertime, and I was kind

999
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: of doing the game for him. It's so much different now,

1000
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: of course, on television and with social media and with

1001
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: streaming and all of the risks, it's so much different.

1002
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: But if you go back to that point in time,

1003
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. It's radio. I mean, to this day,

1004
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: I think about you know, we go back to Vince

1005
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: fully for a second, and Benny did the games until

1006
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, four or five years ago. So Vinnie was

1007
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: in his late eighties when he stepped away, and he

1008
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: was still phenomenal. And I can't tell you, you know,

1009
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm listening to him from the time I was six

1010
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: till the time, you know, I'm Benny's eighty eight years

1011
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: old in his last season, and I'd be driving, you know,

1012
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: back home from someplace and Benny would start to tell

1013
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: the story and I'd have to I'd have to put

1014
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: the car. I stopped the car in the driveway, keep

1015
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: it idling, and just hear the rest of the story.

1016
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: That's how compelling Vinnie was. He was just the master

1017
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: of that to the day he retired. And it's so true.

1018
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: This is where you really, you know, cut your eye teeth,

1019
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: earn your chops, or whatever you want to say about it.

1020
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: But radio is the way to go. It's so much

1021
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: different right now as we know. I also, as strange

1022
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: as this may sound, the greatest call you ever had

1023
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: with a baseball game had to do with the eighty

1024
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: nine earthquake when there was no action on the field,

1025
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: but there was so much action around you. Your composure

1026
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: like you handled that like you were Peter Jennings. I mean,

1027
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: you handled it like a newsman and you knew the area.

1028
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: But that might have been your greatest call at a

1029
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: baseball stadium out It was certainly the oddest. You don't

1030
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: rehearse for an earthquake in the middle of the World Series,

1031
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. So for starters Tim McCarver

1032
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: and Jim Palmer and I are doing the game, we're

1033
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: just happy we weren't thrown out of the booth when

1034
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: it stopped shaking. So you had that petrifying few seconds.

1035
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: And then all I thought to myself, you know, you

1036
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of go back almost to the to the tenth

1037
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: grade when I'm taking a journalism class, and the tenets

1038
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: of journalism are who, what, when, where? And how and why,

1039
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, Okay, this is this is very different.

1040
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: Becom just keep focused and don't go to a place

1041
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: that you don't belong. Only talk about the things you

1042
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: know for certain. And it was kind of crazy because

1043
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: we're getting information coming from this source and that source.

1044
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: And this is nineteen eighty nine, you know, pre everything today.

1045
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: If it was an earthquake, Twitter would have it within

1046
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: two seconds at that point in San Francisco. One of

1047
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: the ironies of that night is that the earthquake took

1048
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: place at five o four, at about five twenty. People

1049
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: still don't really know what took place. They knew it

1050
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: was an earthquake, but candle six and clothes you can't

1051
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: see outside. They don't know what's really going on, and

1052
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: the crowd starts to chant playball, playball. They had no

1053
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: idea what had taken place. So I had an idea, obviously,

1054
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: because we had the blimp and I could see certain things.

1055
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: And all I talked about that night was what I

1056
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: knew for certain, because we're getting all kinds of misinformation

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Speaker 1: and that's coming in and I'm going no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we have to get all of this corroborated. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's again. It's a case of and it's another thing

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Speaker 1: that I always thought about in broadcasting. Dan less is

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00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: more sometimes because where you get into trouble as you

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: go into places that you don't belong. So I told

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Speaker 1: you what I knew for certain. I'd lived in that

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Speaker 1: area for a lot of years, so I certainly geographically

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00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: I knew what was going on. I had a feeling

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Speaker 1: for what was taking place, you know, in the in

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Speaker 1: the Bay Area at that point, and I only went

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Speaker 1: to places that that I belonged that I knew about.

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Speaker 1: Were you ever told to evacuate? Because you guys are

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Speaker 1: a phie. We were. So what happened was everybody was

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00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of milling around, and then they postponed the game

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Speaker 1: at about close to five thirty. So at that point

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Speaker 1: the stadium emptied out orderly. I mean the earthquake, there

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00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: was no more shaking, and I went down because we

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: did not have communication to the extent that we needed

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: it in the booth, So they brought me down to

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Speaker 1: the truck and I did most of the analysis that

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00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: night from the production truck. And they haven't had they

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00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: had a microphone in there, which I looked at the

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: tape a few times, obviously, and it looked like something

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00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: Sinatra would have used, you know, if he was in

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00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: a cabaret. It was all sparkly, and you know, it

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00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: just looked like something a guy would would be singing

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Speaker 1: at a nightclub in two So I had that and

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00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I was there for a number of hours right. In fact,

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00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: they kept me there until after four in the morning.

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Speaker 1: He wanted me to go on Good Morning America, which

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00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: started at seven Eastern times. So it was quite the night.

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Speaker 1: It was a memorable night. It was unbelievable, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just look. People say, was that a great thrill

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00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: for me? No, it wasn't a great thing. It's a tragedy.

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00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: That was a tragedy. People are dying, billions of dollars

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: of damage and all of that. I wish it had

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: never happened, but you know, when something like that happens,

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: you just have to be hope that you're equal to

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01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: the task. And at least I was able to hold

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: the fort down until they were able to get the

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Speaker 1: news people out there. Proud to know you, proud to

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Speaker 1: consider your friend, and very happy for you. Al thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We appreciated his life voice, Dan anytime

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Speaker 1: you know that. Thank you. Just hope I give you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a rating spike. I was going

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Speaker 1: to have cost us on to talk about you. I

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01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: thought I might get a rating spike with that, but no,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you all right, that's al Michael's Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.

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01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at

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01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R,

1112
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock Act. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if this matters to Drew Breeze or not. He's

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Speaker 1: four touchdown passes behind Tom for the all time lead,

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Speaker 1: assuming he's behind Brady after the season ends. Is that

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01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: reason enough for him to come back and try to

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01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: overtake him? And I would say no. But if you're

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Speaker 1: going to say he's playing well, the team is good.

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Speaker 1: Hard to walk away, okay? I mean it feels like

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Speaker 1: we get you, an athlete gets to a certain age

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Speaker 1: and then we want to push them out the door. Hey,

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01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: you think about retiring? Are you going to retire. I

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Speaker 1: hope they stay as long as they feel like they're

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Speaker 1: playing well because I've seen so many athletes who stay

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Speaker 1: an extra year. And if Drew Brees feels like he

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Speaker 1: can still play at a high level, who am I

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Speaker 1: to say you should go into broadcasting? Now? I have

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Speaker 1: had athletes now former athletes, who say when should I

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Speaker 1: take that broadcasting job? Should I take it a year early?

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Speaker 1: Or should I go as long as I can? And

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: I always say, if you're thinking about retiring, then retire.

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Speaker 1: That's it. And if you have a job, how important

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: is that job to you? And how long do you

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Speaker 1: want to do that job? Because I can go back

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Speaker 1: to Jason Witten, and Jason Witten wasn't ready for that job.

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Speaker 1: On Monday Night, I mean I put that on ESPN.

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01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: They try to, you know, shove in a former Dallas cowboy,

1138
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: and of course, you know Moose Johnston to Troy Aikman,

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: Tony Romo put him in there, Michael Irvan, they're all

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Speaker 1: going to work. Well, they don't all work. And it

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Speaker 1: felt like Jason was going to do it because he

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Speaker 1: couldn't pass it up, but he still had a little

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Speaker 1: football in his mind. Left and therefore don't go into broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: Greg Olsen wasn't ready, but when you are, if you

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Speaker 1: start talking about retiring, then retire. Yes. But man, the

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Speaker 1: flip side of that is, say like Tikey Barber, who

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Speaker 1: walked into an awesome TV situation, but dang, I bet

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Speaker 1: I wish he stayed in one more year. But he

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Speaker 1: was playing ring. He was playing at such a high level,

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Speaker 1: and if he had played made one more year and

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Speaker 1: won that Super Bowl with the Giant, he'd be a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I think, I think he's that close.

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Speaker 1: But it's your mind, it's it's it's nobody else's. It's

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Speaker 1: up to you. Now, a team may say we don't

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Speaker 1: want you back, and that can change things. But if

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Speaker 1: you if you start thinking about retiring, then you should retire.