1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: This is Sarah Holder from The Big Take. This episode 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: contains descriptions of sex trafficking, sexual assault, and child exploitation, 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 2: so take care while listening. In January of last year, 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: the US Embassy in Colombia issued a warning to all 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: American travelers be careful using dating apps. 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: Here they noticed that in the past few months there 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: were around eight US citizens who died in measuring in 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: Colombia and some of the popular tourist cities because of 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: meeting people from dating apps. 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: Eight men had been killed in two months. It turned 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: out that several of these men, after traveling to Medayin, 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: had met women online and gone on dates before being killed. 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: The embassy said some had also possibly been drugged or robbed. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: Natalie Lung covers tech platforms for Bloomberg, and she says 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: not long after the government advisory, Tinder put out its 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: own warning. 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: They told people remember to vet your matches, meet in 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: public places, and share with people you know where you're 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: meeting your dates, and at the end, follow your instincts. 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: So that was kind of a rare advisory that Tinder 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: put out because it's almost saying be careful when you're 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: using our apps, which as a profit driven business, you 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: wouldn't usually see a company do that. 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: Natalie wanted to know more about the mysterious deaths that 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: it pushed Tinder to caution its users so explicitly, so 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: she teamed up with Bloomberg's Antonia Muffaret, who started asking 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: questions of people on the ground. 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: I really started connecting with people in Columbia, with a 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: private investigator, with a lawyer, with some local experts, and 31 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: I started asking them, have you heard about this? What 32 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: is the feeling like in Colombia and mahym specifically, are 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: people speaking about this? What are tourists feeling? And they 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: started saying, yes, this is a big issue and there 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: are people that are getting killed. 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: Antonia found a much more complicated, much darker situation. While 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: some men were simply looking to date while traveling, others 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: were going to Columbia to engage in prostitution, which is 39 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: legal there between consenting adults. But some of these men 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: were specifically looking to have sex with miners and they 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: were using apps like Facebook, WhatsApp, and Messenger to solicit 42 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: young girls. 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: There are young girls that are being used that are 44 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: getting lured into this kind of sex trafficking and are 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: getting sexually exploited, and they are being involved in these 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: meetings with foreigners, and a lot of local experts told 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: me that this was a way more of a bigger issue. 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: What happened to the men was making international headlines, but 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: the stories of the young girls drawn into the sex 50 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: trade were not. I'm Sarah Holder, and this is the 51 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: big take from Bloomberg News Today on the show, how 52 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: people are using apps from US based tech companies to 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: engage in sex trafficking in Colombia and why it's so 54 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: hard for platforms to stop it. Tourism to Colombia has 55 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: been booming, especially since the pandemic, when foreigners started flocking 56 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: to bustling cities like Medeine. 57 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: It's located in a valley in the middle of the Andes. 58 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: People are very kind, the weather is lovely. It's always spring. 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: Antonio Muffarech went there last summer. She says, for a 60 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: long time, foreigners associated Colombia with violent crime and drugs, 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: they stayed away, but the country has done a lot 62 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: to improve its safety record and reputation, and now what 63 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: used to keep people away is part of. 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: The draw Bauluscoar, a drug lord used Mayin as the 65 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: base for his cartel. So this has really brought in 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: a lot of tourists and you can see some of 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: the even the Netflix series Narcos, and there are like 68 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Narcos tours and all of those kinds of things in Manjin. 69 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: Once Biluscar was gone down and some paramilitary groups were stopped, 70 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: the city started to reinvent itself and they really wanted 71 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: to bring in another kind of tourism. 72 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: But Colombia is also attracting tourists. It doesn't want people 73 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: who come to the country looking to pay for sex 74 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: with minors. This trade often involves gangs and a network 75 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: of patronas who connect foreign clients with women and underage girls. 76 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: The situation in Colombia has sadly made it easier for 77 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: these crimes to occur. It's very important to understand the 78 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: context in which a lot of people live in poverty. 79 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: In some areas of Maiyin, where some young girls are 80 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: not really able to afford lunch every day or they 81 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: have they live in a household with a single parent 82 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: who's working all the time and not really able to 83 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: take care. There are also armed groups and gangs in 84 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: the city. 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Tech reporter Natalie Lung says that another factor facilitating 86 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: this kind of exploitation has been the rise of apps 87 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: developed by US tech companies. 88 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: Meta's portfolio of apps, including What's App, Facebook, Messenger, and 89 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: Instagram are among the most used social media apps in 90 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: Colombia and Latin and the number of monthly active users 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: on Facebook in Colombia were equivalent to more than half 92 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: of the population, and same thing for Airbnb, It's one 93 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: of the fastest growing regions for them. In twenty twenty four, 94 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: that number of Airbnb listings jumped twenty one percent from 95 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: a year ago, and for Tinder, it's the most popular 96 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: dating app in Colombia with over half a million of 97 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: average monthly users, which is three times more than competitor Antonia. 98 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: And Natalie found that the apps could be used for 99 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: many parts of the illicit sex trade. Gangs patronas and 100 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: their foreign clients might exchange catalogs of women on WhatsApp 101 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: or Facebook, set meetings through Messenger, and book airbnbs for 102 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: the encounters. 103 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: The gangs really evolved recently within like, for example, WhatsApp 104 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: or Tinder or Messenger, they really started to harness these 105 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: tools and use them to commit crimes like, for example, 106 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: sell drugs, sell weapons, and also offer miners in many 107 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: of these cases. And this has made it since some 108 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: of these apps are encrypted, or you can buy a 109 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: burner phone, or there's so many tactics that you can 110 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: do to make these crimes really invisible or ghost crimes, 111 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: that has really made it harder to track down both 112 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: the criminals and the victims. So this has really exacerbated 113 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: the issue and made it way harder to understand how 114 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: to solve it as well. 115 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: Antonio wanted to understand how young girls in Medeine were 116 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: getting caught up in this illicit trade, how it was 117 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: affecting them, and where these apps fit in. She connected 118 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: with a US based NGO called Libertas International, whose mission 119 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: is to combat sex trafficking in Latin America. The group's 120 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: founder introduced her to several victims, including Sandra, who was 121 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: fourteen at the time of the crime, and her younger sister, Veronica, 122 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: who was twelve. Both names have been changed to protect them. 123 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: The sisters had this friend who had nice things like 124 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: a fancy phone and a motorcycle, and the friend said 125 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: they could have nice things too. 126 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: She mentioned that they could get all of this for 127 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: selling their virginity. The girls didn't really understood what that meant, 128 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: but they were like, I mean, sure, it would be 129 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: great to be able to afford some more food help 130 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: mother with her rent. Their grandma was sick at the moment. 131 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: So the girls got connected with a patrona, with someone 132 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: who connects the girls with a man or a foreigner, 133 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: in this case through Facebook. 134 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Through a messenger, the patrona told them to wear makeup 135 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: and revealing clothes a crop top if possible, and. 136 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: They eventually went to a place where they met this 137 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: foreigner alongside another girl, a friend of theirs. For them, 138 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: it was a very traumatic experience. One of the sisters 139 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: told me that she just like when the men asked 140 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: them to start undressing or taking photos and try to 141 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: do stuff with her. She just asked him to please stop. 142 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: The sisters told Antonia. The man didn't stop. They said 143 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: he groped and kissed Sandra and penetrated Veronica and her friend. 144 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: He threatened to kill them if they spoke. 145 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Up, and the men refused to pay them. They never 146 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: heard back from the patrona. She blocked them and they 147 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: went back home. 148 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: Sandra and Veronica never got their money. Natalie says the 149 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: tech companies that she and ni comment from Airbnb, Facebook 150 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: and WhatsApp's parent company, Meta, and Match Group with Jones 151 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: Tinder acknowledge the problem of child's exploitation and abuse on 152 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: their platforms. In said they were taking steps to fight it. 153 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: They're definitely aware that this is happening and they've been 154 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: working with authorities the mayor on trying to combat these crimes. 155 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: Match told us that their teams are continuously monitoring accounts 156 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: and will take immediate action to banning and accounts that 157 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: violate their terms, and they're also going to continue to 158 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: engage with the USA Columbian officials to provide them with 159 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: information they need to try to find these criminals. And 160 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: for Meta, it's also similar where they would continue working 161 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: with officials and in flagging those efforts. Airbnb has said 162 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: they're definitely aware that this is happening, and they have 163 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: worked with the mayor to come up with a plan 164 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: that includes asking guests to acknowledge their no prostitution policy 165 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: on the Airbnb platform, and they also recently committed to 166 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: make donations to a nonprofit organization that would support girls 167 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: who might be exploited and provide more charity contributions there. 168 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: Advocates and local authorities say that while the responsibility for 169 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: stopping these crimes doesn't fall solely on the platforms, there 170 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: is more tech companies could do to crack down that's 171 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: after the break. When Bloomberg's Antonia Muffarech went to the 172 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: Colombian city of Medaine last summer, she saw evidence of 173 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,119 Speaker 2: the fight against sex trafficking everywhere. 174 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: If you walk through Melain, through, for example, Barghaelleiras, which 175 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: is the main place where nightlife in Malayin is, you'll 176 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: see signs almost everywhere saying o jo cento as bartis, 177 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: which means eyes everywhere, there are a lot of signs 178 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: saying say no to sex trafficking. It's illegal here, it's 179 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: illegal in your country as well, in English and in Spanish. 180 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: As part of their crackdown, local officials set up a 181 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: phone line to report cases of sexual exploitation of boys, 182 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: girls and adolescents, and they're deporting foreigners who've been involved 183 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: in these crimes. 184 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: But as they all said, they really need collaboration from 185 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: these apps and from these companies. 186 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Natalie Lung says these companies have become more engaged 187 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: in this effort over the past year, especially after the 188 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: US Embassy in Columbia issued its warning about the killings 189 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: of foreigners and after a high profile case last March 190 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: of an Ohio man who was found with two miners 191 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: in his medayine Airbnb. 192 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: Obviously, Airbnb does not allow any sort of prostitutional listed 193 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 3: activity on their platform, as based on their community policies, 194 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: but there are people who circumnavigate this by saying my 195 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: Airbnb is guest friendly, as a euphemism for saying, Okay, 196 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: they're not going to be any guards. You can, you know, 197 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: quietly bring someone in. 198 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: Airbnb has begun suspending hosts with listings that contain the 199 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: terms guest friendly, saying it's in violation of their policies. 200 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: The tough part is bad actors are always evolving their ways, 201 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: and even as Airbnb said they have taken down a 202 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: lot of listings that have guessed friendly in the title, 203 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: there will still be new ways, you know, new code 204 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: that people are inventing, and that's part of their company's 205 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: response there. They're always monitoring how criminal actors are evolving 206 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 3: and adapting their ways, so it's definitely tough, you know, 207 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: how do they pre empt this and understand how criminals 208 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: are evolving. 209 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: As of September, Airbnb said it had removed more than 210 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty listings in Medeyin from its platform 211 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: for violating community standards and policies, including ones on sex 212 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: work and sex tourism. The company's website says it may 213 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: perform limited background checks on US based users if they 214 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: have the users first name, last name, and date of birth. Still, 215 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: Natalie says Airbnb hosts believe the company could do more. 216 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: She spoke with an Airbnb proprietor whose company operated the 217 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: rental where that Ohio man was caught with two underage girls. 218 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: The proprietor said he felt that Airbnb's background check process 219 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: wasn't adequate. 220 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: And as a result of the things that happened in 221 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: one of his rentals, he had to pay a fine 222 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: and obviously face a lot of negative press around his property, 223 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: and that really harmed his business and caused him a 224 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: lot of stress. And so one of the things definitely 225 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: they want the apps to be able to do more 226 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: safety checks in the US. For example, Airbnb is very 227 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: proactive in banning parties in that way, and they're using 228 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: AI and different ways to detect if someone is trying 229 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: to host a big party on a property. But are there, 230 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: you know, specific things built in Colombia to prevent these 231 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: sort of illeg activities. Say they're not doing enough. 232 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: Sources told Natalie that Meta's response has limitations too. The 233 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: company bars adults from starting private conversations with teens who 234 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: don't follow them or who aren't already connected to them 235 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: on Messenger and Instagram. It also prevents adults who have 236 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: been blocked or reported by teens from being able to 237 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: find or interact with teen accounts. Metas also launched Instagram 238 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: teen accounts, which will automatically put teens into the most 239 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: protective settings. Some of the girls Antonia talked to got 240 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: around metas protections by setting up a business profile that 241 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: allowed men to find them using the company's people you 242 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: May Know feature, which uses algorithms to suggest potential friends. 243 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: It's a feature a former Facebook engineering director named David 244 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: erb has been raising specific concerns about. 245 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 3: He was basically describing it's almost like when you move 246 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: to a new neighborhood, you would check the sex offender 247 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: registry to see if there are any people around you 248 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: like that and to avoid them. But Facebook people, you 249 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: may always kind of doing the opposite and surfacing miners 250 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: to adults and meta. On their part, they said they 251 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: do have safeguards in place where adults who are not 252 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: connected with certain miners won't be able to see those accounts, 253 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: and there are ways that they prevent miners from being 254 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: serviced to adults. But the thing is, if let's say, 255 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: if some girls are using a business profile, those are 256 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: totally not protected by the same minor safeguards that are 257 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: in place. 258 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: Digital safety advocates say tech companies should do more to 259 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: verify their users and introduce additional safety checks because despite 260 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: the many things these tech companies have done, children are 261 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: still being exploited on their platforms. The girls Antonia spoke 262 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: with in Colombia say they hope others aren't drawn in 263 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: by the promise of making fast money on these apps. 264 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's not really worth 265 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: it and it just leaves a really profound wound. One 266 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: of the things that I think was really admirable and 267 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: courageous was speaking to these young girls and how they 268 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: really wanted to share their stories, hoping that others won't 269 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: fall into that as well. 270 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: This is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder. 271 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by David Fox. 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