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Speaker 1: Hoops Tonight, presented by FanDuel Here at the volume, I'm

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Speaker 1: Jason Timp Happy Tuesday, everybody. I hope you are all

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Speaker 1: having a great startier week. Another action packed night in

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Speaker 1: the NBA postseason. We got effectively a game winner from

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Speaker 1: John Murant. We're gonna start with that tonight. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break down Sons Pelicans. We're gonna get into the games

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Speaker 1: that I missed from last night, so we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into the Sixers and the Raptors. We have another series

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Speaker 1: that ended tonight with the heat and the Hawks will

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Speaker 1: touch on that briefly, and then for those of you

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do another ask Jason anything, So in the

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the grizz in the Wolves, very

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Speaker 1: very interesting basketball game. Game fives in a series tied

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Speaker 1: That's the the game that it. Both teams are immensely

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Speaker 1: familiar with each other, both teams know exactly what each

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Speaker 1: Like it's the concept of styles making fights, but it's

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Speaker 1: not just the styles that make the fights, it's which

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Speaker 1: two guys carry the scoring load that Devin Booker, but

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Speaker 1: with him being out takes out of the picture. One

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Speaker 1: other interesting note on this game, New Orleans is reliance

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Speaker 1: on isolation. So if you look at the UHUM, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the box score after the game, Phoenix

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00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: has twenty eight assists to New Orleans is fourteen, And

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Speaker 1: a big part of that is just the way they play.

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Speaker 1: You know, New Orleans kind of plays a similar style

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Speaker 1: to Brooklyn in the sense that they rely on their

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Speaker 1: two primary shot creators, Brandon Ingram and c. J. McCollum,

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00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: to attack matchups all over the floor. The problem is is,

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Speaker 1: just like what happened with Katie and Kyrie, if you

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Speaker 1: run into a really good defensive team like it's gonna

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Speaker 1: turn into a tough shot making contest. And what's more

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Speaker 1: reliable Phoenix bruising you on the inside forty six points

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Speaker 1: in the paint Phoenix, executing in pick and roll, getting

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Speaker 1: high quality shots or brandon Ingram and c J McCollum

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00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: taking tough isolation jump shots on every single possession. It's

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00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: not a surprise that they didn't play particularly well as

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Speaker 1: a result, but that's all I had on that particular game.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna bring Carson on and we're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: some of the other series is and go over some

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Speaker 1: questions that he might have, And hey, guys, just remember,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening and you're in the chat, we're doing

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Speaker 1: a mail bag at the end, So any questions that

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Speaker 1: you have, dropped them in there and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: them at the end of the show. The playoffs are

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Speaker 1: a game here called what have we learned? As you said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run down some key points from a few

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Speaker 1: series and you're gonna tell me what your takeaways are

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Speaker 1: from that. So we're gonna start with the Miami Heat,

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Speaker 1: who finished off the Hawks today in five game What

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Speaker 1: do you think we've learned from their performance? And moving

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Speaker 1: on pretty convincingly in Round one. So I thought this

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Speaker 1: was the least interesting series in the first round, and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad it's over. Atlanta. To me was, like I

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Speaker 1: said many times on the show over the course of

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Speaker 1: the last week, they were the sore thumb of this

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Speaker 1: playoff field. They were the one team that seemed to

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Speaker 1: be clearly a level below everyone else that was playing

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Speaker 1: among the other fifteen teams. You know, I have three

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Speaker 1: big takeaways that I learned from this series. One, there's

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Speaker 1: an issue with Trey Young. There there were so many

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Speaker 1: people that jumped on Luca early on that they're kind

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00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: of turned into this like counter tray movement. And then

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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: last year in the playoffs. Because he won two playoffs series,

488
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: there became this additional trade Young movement, like oh, Lucas

489
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: never won a playoff series, Trays already won two. And

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Speaker 1: anybody who actually watched the Hawks last year knows that

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Speaker 1: they beat a NIXT team that had no half court creation.

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Speaker 1: They beat a Philly team that was literally combusting on

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Speaker 1: the floor in front of our eyes to the point

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Speaker 1: where they had to reconstruct after the season with the

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons situation, and Atlanta had an awesome defense. Truth

496
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Speaker 1: of the matter was is Trey Young shot below fort

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Speaker 1: from the field last year in the playoffs, and he

498
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: shot thirty one percent from three, and he wasn't terrible.

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Speaker 1: He had more mints, obviously, but there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that broke his way in that series. In

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Speaker 1: that run, the reality with Trey Young is in the

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Speaker 1: playoff environment, when the physicality is allowed to go to

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00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: another level and guys are allowed to grab, when they're

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00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: allowed to hold slim slight players struggle. It's just a fact.

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00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: We have so much evidence of this throughout NBA history

506
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Speaker 1: and this year's postseason run obviously, only five games average

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Speaker 1: fifteen point four points on thirty two percent from the

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Speaker 1: field in eight percent from three. I love Trey Young's

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Speaker 1: game in in some areas great passer, willing pastors kind

510
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Speaker 1: of like Luca, like actively looking for his shot, but

511
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Speaker 1: also has the ability to make the high level reads.

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Speaker 1: The differences is I think Tray is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of a gunner. But the biggest difference between the

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Speaker 1: two of them, and the reason why Luca is so

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Speaker 1: much better and the reason why it's silly to ever

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Speaker 1: put them in a conversation together, is Luca can lean

517
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: on you, man, and in all of these matchups, Luca

518
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: is gonna pick on a small guy and he's gonna

519
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: bully him. He's gonna pick on a big guy and

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00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: uses his moves to get him to get a step,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna pin him on his backside, and he

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Speaker 1: has the strength to hold them off. I know this

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Speaker 1: has been something that I've leaned on a lot in

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Speaker 1: my basketball analysis over the course of the last few years,

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Speaker 1: but it's something I believe very strongly in. Like these

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Speaker 1: playoff series, is are physical fist fights, and size does matter.

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Speaker 1: There are guys that have overcome to have been able

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Speaker 1: to overcome it over the course of the years, Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: even though he's thin, what happened with Boston, that's an outlier,

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Speaker 1: usually does well. Steph Curry six three, kind of slight,

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Speaker 1: but he's so good in almost every single area of

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00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: the game, and he's good enough defensively that it doesn't

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00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: matter as much. But I've always leaned on guys that

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00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: are more physical. Trey Young, good player, He's solid. I'm

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: not sure that his ceiling could possibly be much higher

536
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: than it already is right now, because what is there

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Speaker 1: that Trey could add to his game at this point

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Speaker 1: with his physical limitations. And then the last two things

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Speaker 1: really quick. Miami's offense. I told you guys all the

540
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: season I was worried about them in the half court.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta was the twenty six ranked defense in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: In Miami only scored a hundred and fifteen point nine

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Speaker 1: points per one Hunter possessions in this series, which would

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Speaker 1: rank seventh among playoff teams. Really really curious to see

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Speaker 1: what their offense looks like in the next round. Regardless

546
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Speaker 1: of whether or not they play Toronto or play Philly,

547
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna play a significantly better defensive team. And the

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Speaker 1: last but not least Jimmy Butler's health. We talked about

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Speaker 1: this right before the end of the regular season. This

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00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: dude is like practically playing every other night now. In

551
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: the regular season, he'll play one or two games in

552
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: a row and then he needs a rest, and then

553
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Speaker 1: here he is missing a playoff game for a sore knee.

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Speaker 1: I love Jimmy Butler's game. He's a bona fide playoff player.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the things that I just talked about

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Speaker 1: with physicality and decision making or why he's such a

557
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: dom a playoff player. But if the dude can't stay

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00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: on the court, like that's just one other massive red

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00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: flag for the Miami Heat. So let me ask you

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about Trey first, because I think

561
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: when you are looking at one man offensive engines, he

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00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: stands certainly among the league's best. Right in terms of

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00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: ry output. He led the league in total points and

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00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: assists this year, was very efficient in doing so, lead

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00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: the Hawks offense to be the second most efficient basketball

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Speaker 1: without a really high level second creator on that team.

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Speaker 1: So how much of what we saw in this series

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Speaker 1: do you think is a product of actual things about

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00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: his game that are not sustainable in the playoffs versus

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: issues with the Hawks roster construction and the fact that

571
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: they didn't have that second guy who could really punish

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00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the Heat for dedicating overwhelming attention to Tray night in

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Speaker 1: and night out, because obviously it's inexcusable from him. I mean,

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00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: it was, I would say, kind of a shockingly bad series.

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Speaker 1: But which of those factors do you think is more

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00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: important and was more impactful there? Well, the conversation we're

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00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: having about Trey is kind of similar to the one

578
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: we had about Yoki, Like the conversation I'm having is

579
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: more about his ranking in the league. I'm with you,

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: there are roster shortcomings here, Like you need if you're

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00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna have a guy like Trey Young that has to

582
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: operate with the live dribble from the perimeter or out

583
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: of pick and roll, you need to have a bigger

584
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: wing that you can throw the ball to to try

585
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: to generate physical offense, a guy that can attack, seize mismatches.

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Speaker 1: You know, Danielle Gallinari just never really amounted to that.

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00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: You know, Badanovitch was just way too inconsistent, and he's

588
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: not big enough to be that kind of rim pressuring

589
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: guy anyway. So, like kind of like again, the archetype

590
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: of boy on Bogdanovitch with Utah is kind of what

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00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Like someone like that that can take

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: a different element to their offensive attack. And then again,

593
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: you have to have a defense like you did last

594
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Speaker 1: year again, unsung hero of last year's play off team,

595
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: and Atlanta wasn't a dominant playoff team last year in

596
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Speaker 1: the regular season by any stretch of the imagination, but

597
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: they did hit a level in the postseason that allowed

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00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: them to eke out a lot of games. Defense Again,

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00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's something that you can count on and

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00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: you will. You'll be shocked at how many times in

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00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: a playoff series or a playoff game where you'll see

602
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: a team that will shoot poorly, have a lot of turnovers,

603
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, have bad nights, but you end

604
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: up winning somehow, and it's just because you played so

605
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: well on defense that you forced them to not play

606
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: well as well. So like there, let me be clear,

607
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: Trade can be the best player on a championship team.

608
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: You just he's far enough down the list that so

609
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: many things above him have to be perfect, like has

610
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: to be with surrounded by tons of defensive talent has

611
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: to have a co star that can pressure the rim

612
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Speaker 1: and is more physical. A lot of things would have

613
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: to be perfect around him in order for that to

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Speaker 1: work out. Going back to the Heat for a second,

615
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Speaker 1: do you feel significantly different about them now compared to

616
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: before the series and where do you feel like they

617
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: are in the Eastern hierarchy of contenders right now? I

618
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: would think they're gonna be the worst team left in

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Speaker 1: the second round. Uh they I would give them an

620
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: outside chance to beat whoever comes out of the Sixers

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Speaker 1: Raptors series, because both of those teams have gaping holes,

622
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: like just like you've seen from Toronto in this series,

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Speaker 1: there's a massive chasm between what they look like when

624
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: they're bad and what they look like when they're good,

625
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, And and the same thing goes with the Sixers,

626
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: like when they when they're humming, they were whooping Toronto's ass,

627
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: and they've looked unrecognizable in the last two games. So like,

628
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Miami will be capable of beating either of those teams,

629
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: but they're also capable of losing to either of those

630
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: teams for the same reasons we discussed earlier. Nothing really

631
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: has changed for me other than the fact that you

632
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: know they they're playing Duncan Robinson less. That was to

633
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: be expected because he's having issues on the defensive end.

634
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't think Kyle Lowry is as important as everyone

635
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: else thinks he is, just at this point in his

636
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: career because he's a little bit older. But the health

637
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: is a concern to Like. I would say that I

638
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: was already low on them before the playoffs, but I'm

639
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: even lower now. Like I give them a zero percent

640
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: chance to get out of the East. Wow, Yeah, I

641
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: think that that's pretty reasonable because of a lot of

642
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: the offensive limitations that you've talked about in the inconsistency there.

643
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: I will say they are wildly impressive defensively, and I

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00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: do think that you know that gives them some sort

645
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: of chance. But I think that you're probably right. They

646
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: would be probably that last team in the next round.

647
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: The their defense, it kind of reminds me of Dallas.

648
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: They have great defensive players on the floor. Bam Adebile

649
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: unbelievable defensive player, you know. P J. Tucker I think

650
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: is underrated because so many people are focused on his

651
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: limitations Offensively. Jimmy Butler is obviously incredible. They have great

652
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: defensive players, but so much of what they do involves

653
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: convincing average to below average defensive players to to work

654
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: their ass off, which I which is a credit to

655
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: the Heat organization, to be clear. But they're gonna run

656
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: into a team, probably the Celtics in the conference finals,

657
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: that are gonna have excellent defensive personnel to match the

658
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: dedication in the effort. Another thing too, from a matchup standpoint,

659
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: One of the things that we're gonna talk about this

660
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: later here just a couple of minutes, but the Raptors

661
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: are starting to expose Joel embid with foot speed and

662
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about that in a minute. Against this

663
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: particular matchup with Miami, I think they're going to be

664
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: able to get away with dropping Joel Embiid all series.

665
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: And if they can keep Joel embiad drop all series,

666
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: that completely shuts off the paint, turns Miami into only

667
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: a jump shooting team. So there's some matchup stuff too

668
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: that I think is is gonna end up getting in

669
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: their way. Not a bad defensive team, but I think

670
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: there's a massive chasm between their defensive ceiling and like

671
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Boston's defensive ceiling for instance. Sure, yeah, I think the

672
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: Dallas comparison is interesting. I feel like the personnel is

673
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: more impressive. But I agree with you. I mean, Boston

674
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: right now is in a class of their own on

675
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: that end. So you mentioned some of the stuff that

676
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: we've seen out of Philly slumping a bit in their

677
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: last couple of games. One up, three oh on the Raptors.

678
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: Now we're looking at three too, we're headed back to Toronto.

679
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: What do you feel like you've learned from what we've

680
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: seen in the last couple of games and what's been

681
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: going on in that series, Jason, this is such a

682
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: classic series for understanding why it's so important not to

683
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: overreact to one game or two two games. Obviously there's

684
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: the wrinkle of them having fallen down three oh, and

685
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: that being something that's never been done before. But in

686
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: game three, Toronto played really well, and honestly, it came

687
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: down to particularly Siakum and VanVleet really struggling offensively to

688
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the point where they couldn't close the deal in that game.

689
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: Way too much was on you know, Gary Trent Jr.

690
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: To make plays or O. G. N and and Obi to

691
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: make plays. But the truth is is like if you

692
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: were watched the first two games of that series, and

693
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: then watched game four and five. They they are massively

694
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: on wreck ignizable between the two the two stretches of games,

695
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: and it's because in a playoff series so much can change.

696
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: We talked about this at the beginning. I said the

697
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: theme of the show was styles make fights, but that

698
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: the stuff it's about the style that wins the fight. Well,

699
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: coming into this series, we talked at length about how

700
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Joel Embide and James Harden were the best two players

701
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: in the series, probably that that uh Philly had more

702
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: talent than they should win, but they had some specific flaws.

703
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Won their transition defense to Joel Embiad's ability to handle

704
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: double teams, three James Harden and his abilities to score

705
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: in single coverage, and then four Joel Embiid and James

706
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: Harden in a driving kick system. Those are my four

707
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: big gaping holes that I saw in this Philly roster.

708
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: So what sucks is those advantages. Toronto was completely geared

709
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: and equipped to inflict on Philly. They had all the

710
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: length and athleticism to cause James Harden problems and to

711
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: cause and be problems and double teams, all the length

712
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: and athleticism to get up in floor and transition to

713
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: get into driving kicks scenarios where they can take advantage

714
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: of their lack of foot speed. They had all of that,

715
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: they had the coach to do it too, but they

716
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: just did it. In the first two games of the series,

717
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: the Raptors allowed a hundred and thirty five point eight

718
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: points per one hundred possessions. In the first two games

719
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: of the series, the Sixers ran them off the floor

720
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: in transition, So the same thing that they should have

721
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: been doing to Philly happened to them. So even though

722
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Toronto had advantages, Philly was playing so well in Toronto

723
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: was playing so poorly that none of that materialized and

724
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: they got their ass kicked. In the three games since,

725
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: the Sixers are being held to one hundred and two

726
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: points per per one hundred possessions, literally thirty three points

727
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: fewer more than thirty three fewer points per one hundred

728
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: possessions compared to the first two games of the series.

729
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: Toronto's just playing better man huge part of it. I mean,

730
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: Fred VanVleet is their best perimeter initiator. Fred VanVleet is

731
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: a very good defensive player at the guard position. But

732
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: he's small, and there are there's all these different ways

733
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: that we look at defense, and you know, in isolation defense,

734
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: van Fleet's ability to get up underneath you and slide

735
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: his feet and be physical as valuable, but covering ground

736
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: in rotation, there's a ceiling there for VanVleet. He's small,

737
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: can't cover as much ground, so they take VanVleet out

738
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Speaker 1: of the lineup all of a sudden, Gary Trent Jr.

739
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Who's six five without shoes on. Gary Trent Jr. Was

740
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: the smallest player they played. Everybody else other than him

741
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: is massive, long and athletic. So suddenly Toronto looks a

742
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: lot more imposing defensively just because of the lineups that

743
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: they're going with. There was a really, really really interesting

744
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: sequence late fourth quarter excuse me, a middle third quarter

745
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: of Game five of game uh you have Game five,

746
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: so you guys have probably seen this clip was going

747
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: around social media like crazy, and I specifically have been

748
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: on this train all season long, so of course I

749
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: have to bring it up tonight. I talked to you

750
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: guys about how I love Joel embid Joel Embiad's game,

751
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: and I love Nikola Yoki's game, but I could never

752
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: include them in the list of best players in the

753
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: league because as dominant as they are at their position,

754
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: they have foot speed limitations that you can target specifically

755
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: in transition and in five out scenarios. Well. One of

756
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: the things that Toronto has figured out so far in

757
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: this series as it's progressed is Joel Embid can't guard

758
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: their quick forwards on the perimeter pretty average players. So

759
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: there was a sequence in the third quarter We're on

760
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: five consecutive possessions in isolation, not like, oh, he's attacking

761
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: a close out, not like, oh, Joel Embid was helping

762
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: on someone else and had to step over and was

763
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: out of disadvantage. No staring Joel embat in the eye

764
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: and driving to the basket on it. First play, precious

765
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: thatch you a faces up at the foul line, does

766
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: a jab step. Joel Embiad buckles, drives to the basket,

767
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: draws a foul. Very next play, O G and and

768
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: Nobi kind of like fakes like he's gonna use a

769
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: screen and roll. Joel Embiad is dropped way off of

770
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: him like ten ft. O g hits the gas and

771
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: punches the gap blows right by Embad for a done

772
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: next possession kind of semi transition man on man on man.

773
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: There's no help. It's just Joel Embiid on an island

774
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: with Precious that you A pressus that you A just

775
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: does it through the legs, dribble and just blows by Embead,

776
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: no chance, wide open lay up. Next possession, same exact thing.

777
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam on the right wing just drives by right

778
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: by Joel Embiad for a layup. And then finally on

779
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: the fifth consecutive possession, out of the left corner, Pressous

780
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Thatchua drives on Embead and Beat actually makes him use

781
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: a counter move this time, but Precious just up fakes.

782
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: He goes up and under and makes a lamp on

783
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: the left side of the rim. Five consecutive possessions. Or

784
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: they scored on Joel Embiad in isolation situations because their

785
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: players are faster, and that again is Precious. Achua, O

786
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: g n and ob In Pascal Sika all very good

787
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: basketball players. None of them are dominant offensive engines, and

788
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Joel and Beat can't guard them on the perimeter. It's

789
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: just a limitation in their individual games. Yo Kitchen Embeat

790
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: not a criticism of them as like they're not top

791
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: ten players, or they don't deserve to win m v

792
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: P or any of those things. Just why I personally

793
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: am always gonna lean towards a Janice or Lebron or

794
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: a kd is because if you put them in that

795
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: type of setting, a game that goes up and down,

796
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: or a game that's stuck in the half court, a

797
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: game that's five out, or a game that's more traditional

798
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: with you know, a lot of pick and roll and

799
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: guys underneath the basket with less less spacing, they can

800
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: thrive in all of those In ironments would Joe Yo

801
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: kitchen and beat if the style exits their comfort zone,

802
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: they have shortcomings and you're seeing Toronto attack that. Another

803
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: big part here in the series. We talked about how

804
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: there was no way in the world that James Harden

805
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: or that the the Raptors could not have one of

806
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the top two or three players in the series and win.

807
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: They would need to and through the first two games,

808
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: I would argue and Bead was the best player, Maxi

809
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: was the second best player, in Harden was the third

810
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: best player. Before we got to a single Raptor well,

811
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Maxi's cooled off last three games, fourteen points on thirty

812
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: nine percent from the field, eight percent from three Hardened

813
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: looks like the same guy he has for the last

814
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: three months, like a totally fine secondary creator who can

815
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: make passes out of pick and roll and stuff. But

816
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: he's not a great isolation player anymore. He's not doing

817
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: well in spot up situations, and he's really bad defensively.

818
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of liutations there. Here's the reality

819
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: of the situation. There's two games left and Beat uh

820
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: and Beat is the best player in the series. The

821
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: Sixers have more talent and they have one of those

822
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: games at home, so the Sixers should win. But there's

823
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: a ton of pressure on them. Now they have to

824
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: start by going up to Toronto. If you lose that

825
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: game in Toronto, which Toronto, it's like probably like a

826
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: coin flip, right. If Toronto wins game six, now you're

827
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: coming home. But there's a boatload of pressure, and we've

828
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: seen how James Harden reacts in those situations. I'm still

829
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: seeing Joel Embid rely too much on foul drifting. One

830
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: last note on this series. One of the things that

831
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: I noticed when I watched the tape this morning, Joel

832
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: Embiid is starting to be relegated a little bit to

833
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: the perimeter. On offense, He's having some success in situations

834
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: where he's off ball and he happens to catch around

835
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: the rim, and he's still as dominant as ever there.

836
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: It's a bucket or foul every time, basically, but the

837
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: post ups with Embiid, Toronto's figured him out. They're getting

838
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hand. He's not getting good

839
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: stuff out of that anymore. Down the stretch of Game five,

840
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: and Bead was kind of floating around the perimeter, getting

841
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: rid of the basketball, doing a lot more dribble handoffs,

842
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: taking a lot of tougher jump shots. It's an interesting

843
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: dynamic you're starting to see. You know, early in the series,

844
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: guys like Precious to Chua, Ken birch and O g

845
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: and uh O g and Obi and Pascal, I mean,

846
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: all of them have seen time on Embiid, but each

847
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: of them at the beginning of the series were super tentative.

848
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: They didn't want to commit fouls. They weren't being physical,

849
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: they weren't testing his handle. They're kind of feeling things out.

850
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Watch the way they're guarding and Bead now they're testing

851
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: his handle, they're reaching, they're being aggressive, they're getting up

852
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: underneath him. They're starting to have some success there. So

853
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: like if there was ever a time that earlier I

854
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: was just wishing it would happen. Now this is a

855
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: real potential outcome. Toronto has a game at home, a

856
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: chance to win, and then Game seven and in Philly

857
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: anything happened. This thing is still up in the air.

858
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Although I am still picking Philly because they are the

859
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: better team, so obviously, I mean, the three oh come

860
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: back would be completely unprecedented historically and wildly amusing for

861
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: a number of reasons, largely that you would have two

862
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: guys who have just become notorious for playoff under performance

863
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: and collapses, with Doc Rivers and Harden being at the

864
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: forefront of it. You say that Philly is still the favorite,

865
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: but it's possible for Toronto to do it. What do

866
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you think is the most important thing that needs to

867
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: happen if Toronto is actually gonna pull it off, And

868
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: if you had to estimate a probability of the Raptors

869
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: actually doing it and winning this series, what range would

870
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: you put that in? I put it in about so

871
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: a little a little less than a coin flip. The

872
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: biggest thing is going to be the offensive end. Yeah,

873
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: it's a legit Carson. They have a legit chance to

874
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: win this series. It's I think the key is gonna

875
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: be the offensive end. Pascal s has been playing well.

876
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: O g and Obi has been playing well, hitting shots.

877
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: Precious a Chiwa, this dude in Miami. He was kind

878
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: of just like another undersized forward who tried really hard,

879
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: who and I say undersized, like had more of the

880
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: size of a wing, but didn't have the skills. So

881
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: he was playing kind of as a forward and just

882
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of like a do everything utility player. He is

883
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: showing flashes of offensive potential on the perimeter that are

884
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: really really exciting. And he's young. I think he's only

885
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: twenty two if I remember correctly. You correct me if

886
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm wrong there, Carson, Like, Precious looks amazing. There was

887
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: a play in the first half it was like like

888
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: late second quarter where Joel and Be was helping on

889
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: a play where O g and Nobe was isolating against

890
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: James Harden and O Gennobe threw a skip pass too

891
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: Precious Schua in the corner and Precious had already made

892
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: a couple of jump shots in the game, so and

893
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Bead had to close out hard, and Precious did like

894
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: an up fake and ripped through the baseline and threw

895
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: down a dunk right before the shot clock buzzer. And

896
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, that looks like a straight up slasher wing

897
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and that doesn't look like unskilled forward like he's showing

898
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: some flashes there. So the key is going to be

899
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: can Toronto score enough to win this series? And so

900
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to guys like Precious playing well.

901
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: O G and Pascal obviously is that is their best

902
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: individual shot creator with with Van Vleet out, so I

903
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: think it's gonna come down to them on the offensive end. Well,

904
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: the name of the game here is what have we learned?

905
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: And there's very few people who are better to learn from,

906
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to talking about basketball then

907
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: our colleague here the volume Draymond Green. He recently gave

908
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: his thoughts on his pot on the net struggles against

909
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: the Celtics, So Jason, let's take a listen to what

910
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: he had to say. I just thought in that series,

911
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: Boston made it a point that Kevin Durant and Kyrie

912
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Irvan will not beat us we know those two guys

913
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: can beat us, They're not going to beat us. And

914
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: what it looked to me as there was no one

915
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: to get those two guys in position to score the

916
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: ball where they like to score the ball from. And

917
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: so you and up seeing a ton of turnovers. Uh.

918
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, I saw the numbers with like Katie uh

919
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: and his turnovers versus Jayson Tatum and all the different things.

920
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: But the reality is Brooklyn struggled to get stops the

921
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: entire series. You struggle to get stops. You come down

922
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: against the set defense every single time you come down

923
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: to court. I don't care how good of an offensive

924
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: team you are or what offensive players you've got on

925
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: your team, playing against the set defense every time it

926
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: is nearly impossible. So, Jason, obviously you've talked a lot

927
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: about how brilliant the Celtics defense has been and explored

928
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: the net struggles offensively, But what are your thoughts on that?

929
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: First of all, Uh, I have so much respect for

930
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: Draymond as a basketball mind, and it really really makes

931
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: me feel good to hear him say some of the

932
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: similar things that I have said over the years. It

933
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: makes me feel like we gotta be doing something right

934
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: over here. How often do we talk about set defenses

935
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and the difference between attacking in transition inter semi transition

936
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: versus in the half chord. Why it's so important to

937
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: get stops and all that stuff. You know, a couple

938
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: of things. He's hit the nail on the head. They

939
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: absolutely went to take away Katie and Kyrie. Um. I

940
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit more difficult than it looks

941
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: to try to get them in spots where they can succeed,

942
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: because that was a big part of the series, was

943
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: fighting them off of position with physicality at different spots

944
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: on the floor, and even when they tried to run

945
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: actions where you know, like there was an in bounced

946
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: play in Game three baseline out of balanced play where

947
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: like we're like Katie and Kyrie and Nick Claxton were

948
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: all kind of in like a triangle, and like Katie

949
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: and Kyrie set across screen and then Nick Claxton like

950
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: fake setting a screen and they cut back and Tatum

951
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: and Brown and Grant Williams. I think we're the three

952
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: defenders involved, and they're literally hugging all three nets on

953
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: the play. And when Jalen Brown and Grant Williams do

954
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: the switch on the Katie Kyrie screen, they just like

955
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: shoved the player like Kyrie and Katie to each other,

956
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: and then like grabbed him again. And then on the

957
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: play when Nick Claxton goes to fake back to the basket,

958
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Hated like grabs him again and he reaches in and

959
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: gets a steal on the inbounds pass. It runs the

960
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: other way, and I'm just like, well, here you go. Here,

961
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: You're trying to run in action and it just doesn't

962
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: work because Boston's just beating the ship out of you

963
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: off the ball. It's just kind of the nature of

964
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: the way they play. And I think I think it's

965
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: just it's just the important it's the important reality of

966
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: the way that playoff basketball gets so much tougher. It's

967
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: really important that he was talking about attacking against the

968
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: set defense, because the Celtics offense really really got going

969
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: in the second halves of this series. In the first half,

970
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: first quarter, second quarter, Brooklyn was able to get a

971
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: lot of stops. It's a big part of why they

972
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: had early leads in every game. But as the game

973
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: forget progress, they had a lot of problems. I wanted

974
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: to share some very specific of some kind of in

975
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: the details stats from this series, because the series was

976
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: interesting on a couple of different levels. It was it

977
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: was an example of you know, we talked about styles

978
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: making fights, but these two teams have very similar styles.

979
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Like Brooklyn is a team that has to get out

980
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: and transition a lot, so is Boston. Brooklyn is a

981
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: team that likes to switch a lot, so is Boston.

982
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: Brooklyn is a team that likes to attack mismatches on

983
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: the other end of the floor, so is Boston. But

984
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: Boston kind of is like the better version of them.

985
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: They're kind of the evolved version of them. Kind of

986
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: like that, Like I've been talking about a lot on

987
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: the show there what the future of basketball looks like

988
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: on so many different levels, and and you saw that

989
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: show up in the numbers. So obviously the Nets relied

990
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot in isolation. They isolated about four percent of

991
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: their possessions in this series. The interesting thing is they

992
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: only scored zero point eight three points per possession and

993
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: isolation with Katie and Kyrie on most of those possessions.

994
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: The Celtics and isolation possessions averaged one point one nine

995
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: points per one possession or points per possession, which is

996
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: fascinating because I said, all towards the end of the

997
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: regular season and coming into the series, I said, the

998
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: biggest difference between these two dynamics is Tatum gets to

999
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: attack better matchups. He gets to go after Set Curry,

1000
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: he gets to go after Patty Meals. He gets to

1001
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: go after bigger, slower defenders or smaller, skinnier defenders. He

1002
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: had all of these different options, and Katie and Kyrie

1003
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: were just picking from an all you can eat buffet

1004
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: of all defense level guys. So of course it was

1005
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a huge pain in the butt. So to

1006
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: give you an idea, the Celtics only lated on eight

1007
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: point six percent of their possessions compared to almost fourteen

1008
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: percent for the Nets. Yet the Celtics only scored three

1009
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: fewer points in isolation possessions than the Nets did. They

1010
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: scored on fifty one point four percent of their ISOs

1011
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: and the Nets only scored on thirty six point eight

1012
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: percent of their ISOs. I talked about how they where

1013
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: they wore Brooklyn down defensively in the second halves. Did

1014
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: you know that the Celtics in this series scored nineteen

1015
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: field goals per game in the restricted area compared to

1016
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: only twelve for Brooklyn. Bullying them inside, we talked a

1017
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: lot about Jalen Brown exploiting size Mitch mismatches and getting

1018
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: all the way to the rim them on the offensive glass.

1019
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: Al Horford was active on the offensive class and there

1020
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: so is Marcus Smart. They just they've won all of

1021
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: these little areas of the game that were so important

1022
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: to the way Brooklyn played. Boston just came in and

1023
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: did them better. There were ten minutes of clutch time

1024
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: in this series, so remember NBA dot Com defines clutch

1025
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: time is five or fewer minutes remaining score within five points.

1026
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: In ten minutes of clutch time, Boston held Brooklyn. Again.

1027
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: Kyrie and KD two of the best closers in basketball.

1028
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: But for those of you guys who've listened to the

1029
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: show over the course last few years, I always say,

1030
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: closing is very complicated. It's not just about isolation scoring.

1031
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: It's about perimeter decision making. It's not about one possession,

1032
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: it's about the last five to ten possessions. It's about defense.

1033
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: There's so many different things in closing. The Celtics, the

1034
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: Nets had the two best closers on the floor in

1035
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: terms of guys who can create their own shot. They

1036
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: averaged just fifty eight point eight points per one hundred

1037
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: possessions and ten minutes of of clutch possessions. So Boston

1038
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: utterly stifled Brooklyn in crunch time. As a result, in

1039
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: those ten minutes, Boston outscored Brooklyn by fifteen points. And

1040
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: then lastly, you know, to Draymond's point, when Boston, when

1041
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: Boston didn't score, when Brooklyn got a stop and they

1042
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: were able to get out in transition, they scored one

1043
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: point three one points per one per transition possession. That's

1044
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: a great number. So when they got out in transition,

1045
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: they were scoring very, very easily. But then when they

1046
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: get stuck, and then when they got stuck in the

1047
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: half court, that was when they got killed. It was

1048
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: just it was a it was a classic case of

1049
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: Brooklyn running into like the serious, grown up version of themselves.

1050
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: You know, Brooklyn was so much better than all of

1051
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: the detractors wanted to act like they were in this series.

1052
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: But Boston, you know, because like Brooklyn is not a

1053
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: dumpster fire. They just had a lot of drama. They

1054
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: had Ben Simmons drama, they had the Kyrie Irving drama.

1055
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: They have some old, washed up guys on the roster,

1056
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: but there's some real serious basketball players on the team.

1057
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: But Boston is what Brooklyn would look like if it

1058
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: was well run. You know, stars that are dedicated to

1059
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: the craft, that are not interested in the extracurriculars. You know, uh,

1060
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: a willingness to be coached, checking ego at the door,

1061
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: commitment to defense, signing players that are for the betterment

1062
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: of the team rather than personalities or resumes, things along

1063
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: those lines. You know, Boston is the grown up, professional

1064
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: version of Brooklyn, and it was cool to see them

1065
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: beat Brooklyn at their own game. So Draymond talks about

1066
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: sort of some of the issues was maybe a lack

1067
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: of that table setting presents who can get you know,

1068
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Speaker 1: those great scores going in their spots. You highlighted a

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Speaker 1: bunch of the offensive issues that the that the Nets

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Speaker 1: facing that matchup, and you know, I think the lack

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Speaker 1: of paint production and paint offense stands out there. So

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Speaker 1: just given all of those issues that we saw, is

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Speaker 1: there a specific personnel adjustment that you look at, like

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Speaker 1: one type of player who you think, boy, the Nets

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Speaker 1: are really missing that guy who they could also even

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Speaker 1: conceivably get because obviously they are pretty tied up cap wise,

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Speaker 1: But is there a certain spot that you look at there.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Draymond from the standpoint of like a

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Speaker 1: playmaker would work great. The issue is is, like it's

1080
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Speaker 1: such a rare breed, like k D is already as

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Speaker 1: good of a playmaker as the vast majority of the

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Speaker 1: better playmakers in the league. There's just that group of

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Speaker 1: four guys, you know, the Chris Paul's, the Lucas, the

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Speaker 1: Yokichen and the Lebrons that are like on another level

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Speaker 1: above them. And that's why I value those guys so much.

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Speaker 1: There's so few of them, Like, is there one player

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Speaker 1: who's close to that grouping? Like I mean, guys like

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Speaker 1: guys like Trey Young and James Harden are good passers,

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Speaker 1: but there's obviously huge chasm between what they can do

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Speaker 1: and those guys, and so I don't think they can

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Speaker 1: attain that type of players. So what I would target

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Speaker 1: in a in a potential Reeving trade I talked about

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Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit last night, actually,

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Speaker 1: like the idea of building a Boston type of of

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Speaker 1: of concept with Katie at the Helm. So try to

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Speaker 1: flip Kyrie for you know, Kyrie is gonna be overpaid

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Speaker 1: on that contract, so try to flip him for other

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Speaker 1: overpaid Wings guys that are six six to six eight

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Speaker 1: that are willing to work on the defensive end aren't

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Speaker 1: anywhere near as good offensively as Kyrie, but neither is

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brown. Neither is you know, uh, Marcus Smarter. These

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Speaker 1: guys that are playing for Boston, they're just they're building

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Speaker 1: off of their defense, Like Boston. Boston is scoring twenty

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Speaker 1: four points in transition per game in this playoff run,

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Speaker 1: which leads all the teams in the playoffs, So they're

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Speaker 1: getting easy opportunities off of their stops, which is making

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Speaker 1: guys like Jalen Brown, Marcus Smart, guys that are good

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Speaker 1: offensive players, but they're not great offensive players, but they're

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Speaker 1: having great offensive moments because of the openings that are

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Speaker 1: created by their defense on the offensive end. So I

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Speaker 1: would try to flip Kyrie for that archetype of player,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah. Absolutely, All right, guys, that

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Speaker 1: is all we have for tonight. I sincerely appreciate your support.

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Speaker 1: As always, we will be back tomorrow after the final

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Speaker 1: game of the night, which I believe is Nuggets Warriors,

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Speaker 1: so come hang out off to the final buzzer of

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Speaker 1: Nuggets Warriors. As always, we appreciate your support and we

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Speaker 1: will see you then