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Welcome to the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: This Weekend podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini, and Elisa Matteo. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: the show. 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 3: You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: the podcast, but also make sure to join us live 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: every Saturday and Sunday morning, starting at seven am Eastern. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business App, 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 4: bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, lifestyle, 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 4: and culture. 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: President Trump has confirmed US negotiators are heading to Pakistan 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 3: tomorrow for meetings that we'll start on Tuesday, and the 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: straight offore Movis remains a key sticking point between the 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: US and Iran as the key energy choke point remains. 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 5: Closed back with US. 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: As Bloomberg's whe House correspondent Courtney Supermanian and Courtney If 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: your phone rings. During the course of this interview, the 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: President has talked to Jonathan carl He's talked to Fox News, 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: He's talked to ms NOW. If your phone rings and 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: you need to take it, nothing here on mind as 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: well take the call if you need to, we will 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: proceed without you until then, though you have been synthesizing 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: all that the President has been saying in these phone interviews. 24 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: Give us the latest on what we know of these meetings, 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: the second round of talks that are going to be 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 3: taking place here in Pakistan as the week begins. 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, as you mentioned, he's given a series of interviews 28 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 6: this morning, he's taken to true social He's trying to 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 6: set the tone of what to expect in the coming days, 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 6: and that is that Special Envoys Steve Whitkoff and Jared 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 6: Kushner will return to Islamabad tomorrow evening for talks. He 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 6: has just told MS now that JD Vance is not 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 6: attending those talks for security reasons. I have actually while 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 6: we're sitting here, texting the Vice President's staff to try 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 6: and confirm that. But I think all of this just underscores, 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 6: in the last seventy two hours, just how much whiplash 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 6: we're seeing here, and just underscores the unpredictable nature of 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 6: this conflict and the erratic and sometimes contradictory messaging we've 39 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 6: seen from the President. I think it's important to remember 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 6: that Friday he told us that an agreement was all 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 6: but agreed to, which included concessions that Iran had never 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 6: publicly agreed to. He even told ABC that he trusted 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 6: the Iranians, and then, of course he crucially left the 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 6: blockade of the Straight in place until an agreement was finalized, 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 6: which prompted Tehran to close the Straight again and set 46 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 6: this whole off, this whole situation off, and now we're 47 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 6: seeing him again threaten Iranian power plants in bridges if 48 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 6: they don't take the deal, you know, again escalating the 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 6: rhetoric ahead of negotiations, which is of course a tactic 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 6: we've seen him use over and over again in this conflict. 51 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: Counie, one of the things I found interesting is having 52 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 2: covered the first Trump administration, as we all did, when 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: they pulled out of the around nuclear deal the first time, 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: and even on the campaign trail leading up to that, 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: the President was so critical of Iran, saying they couldn't 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: be trusted, They could never be trusted to get into 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: any kind of a nuclear deal and stick to it, 58 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 2: They couldn't be trusted as negotiators. You know, where has 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: that changed? Why has that changed? And why is the 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: president suddenly willing to take them at their word in 61 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: these negotiations, in pursuit of a deal that seems like 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: it's going to look very much like the one he 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: pulls out of in the first place. 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 6: That's a great question. I do think that the President 65 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 6: is looking for an off ramp. I think he is 66 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 6: realizing the economic repercussions are really bearing out both globally 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 6: but here at home as we look ahead to November 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 6: and we see Americans really start to feel the economic 69 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 6: pain of this at the gas pump, right And so 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 6: this time, you know, this is the situation of his making, 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 6: and he is looking for any opportunity to bring this 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 6: conflict to an end and move on. And so I 73 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 6: think that has allowed him to sort of vacillate between 74 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 6: you know, these this escalating rhetoric where he's really ramping 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 6: up pressure but then taking the Iranians at their word 76 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 6: that this that that they're going to come to the 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 6: table and agree to a deal. But as you know, 78 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 6: the Iranians are very good at dragging out negotiations. 79 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: All right, courtnessy reminding our White House correspondent, thank you 80 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: so much for Johnny us this morning. Joining us now 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: is former Defense Secretary Mark Esper he served in President 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: Trump's first administration. Mister secretary, thank you for being with us. 83 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: The first question I want to ask you is, when 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: you look at this negotiating team, Steve Wikoff, Jared Kushner, 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: it looks like Vice President Vance, we're learning this morning, 86 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: will not be going for the second round of negotiations. 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 7: Do you think they're up to the task. 88 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 8: Well, they have the President's trust, so in that regard, 89 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 8: they are up to the task. Though I assume that 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 8: the Iranians will interpret the Vice President not coming as 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 8: a downgrading of these this next round of talks, which 92 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 8: could be the last round of talks for anytime soon, 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 8: and so they may pull back on their delegation, which 94 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 8: I think it's going to be hard to get a 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 8: deal done, at least a deal in principle for that reason. 96 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 8: And then if you're going to believe the president, then 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 8: the President says the attacks will begin, you know, following 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 8: that if the talks fail, if they don't sign the deal, 99 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 8: I think is what he literally said. If they don't 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 8: sign the deal on Tuesday before the ceasefire, then he's 101 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 8: going to go after their energy, after their infrastructure, after 102 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 8: their power plants. 103 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: Mister Secretary, I want to ask you about the chronology here. 104 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: So we had the announcement from the Iranian Ford Minister 105 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: that the strait was open on Friday morning. Then a 106 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 3: few hours later we saw a great deal of confusion. 107 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: So and as the President indicated that blockade was going 108 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: to stay in place. And that's kind of where I 109 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: want to go with you. Is the role of that 110 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: blockade going forward here? The importance of it as you 111 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: see it. Is it something that you see as being 112 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: negotiable here? Do you think it will be negotiated upon 113 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: in those meetings in Islamabad? 114 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 8: Well, I think, first of all, part of the blockade 115 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 8: with regard to Iran, when the Foreign Minister came out, 116 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 8: what he did say is it would be it was lifted, 117 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 8: but he mentioned the conditions, and the nisitions, of course 118 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 8: were still that shipping had to follow this new route 119 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 8: which was close to the Iranian coastline between their islands, 120 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 8: and that they would be managed by the IRGC, the 121 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 8: Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, But that wasn't reported as loudly. 122 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 9: It was just that they had opened it. 123 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 8: And then of course there was a lot of friction 124 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 8: within Iran with the hardliners saying that the Forem Minister 125 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 8: had overstepped his bounds. It was the wrong message, and 126 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 8: in fact they were going to do all those things 127 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 8: plus charged tolls, and that caused the counter reaction. Look, 128 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 8: I think President Trump keeping putting the blockade on Iran 129 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 8: what a few days ago was a smart move. I 130 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 8: think there's no reason why Iran should allow be allowed 131 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 8: to reap the benefits of oil revenues coming out of 132 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 8: golf and sustain its fight while shipping from friendly countries 133 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 8: is not allowed to go. 134 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 9: So I thought that mate was smart. 135 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 8: I think that's what put pressure on the Iranians, and 136 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 8: I was a little surprised that he didn't. 137 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 9: Lift it when they lifted it. 138 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 8: But nonetheless, we are where we are this morning with 139 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 8: both it's clamping down on control of the straight and 140 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 8: it effectively bottled up at this point in time once again. 141 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: And what do you make of the President's renewed threats 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: here this morning? He says he will go after every 143 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: single power point and every single bridge and Iran no more. 144 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: Mister nice guy, do you consider that a war crime? 145 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: And what does it mean for the state as a whole? 146 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: David was asking earlier wouldn't that just lead to a 147 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: failed state If there's no infrastructure left, there's no power 148 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: center left, there's no ability to have a democracy. 149 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 8: And Iran, well, first of all, that's his negotiating style, 150 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 8: right to threaten and to amp up the rhetoric and 151 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 8: maybe force them to step down or at least reconsider 152 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 8: that their position in the Iranians and so and so 153 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 8: he's going back to where he was just about a 154 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 8: week ago, I think, in terms of timing. So that's 155 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 8: not surprising. You know, this question with regard to war crimes, 156 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 8: it all depends on how the planners, the targeteers, and 157 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 8: the lawyers look at different targets, whether it's a power 158 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 8: plant or a bridge or a highway, and how close 159 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 8: it's connection is to the military. So, for example, if 160 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 8: you have a power plant sitting on a military base 161 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 8: powering that base, then it's a legitimate target. As you 162 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 8: get further and further away from such direct connectivity, then 163 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 8: it becomes more dubious. And so I think they're going 164 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 8: to have the military is gonna have to work through 165 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 8: all those different issues case by case, target by target 166 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 8: to come to that final understanding. If indeed that is 167 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 8: where the military goes in this next phase. 168 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: I think the thing that has led to a lot 169 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: of the fogginess we've experienced over the last thirty six 170 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: or forty eight hours, it's just not being able to 171 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: get a sense of degree to which what the President 172 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: is saying the Orionions have agreed to is in fact 173 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: what they have agreed to. And you know, well the 174 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: difficulties of engaging in any kind of diplomacy or negotiations 175 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: with Rians. Of course, you were in the first term 176 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 3: when the President pulled out of the jc POA talk 177 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: a bit about that, if you would, the way the 178 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: US can verify what in fact the Audians are actually 179 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: saying they're doing what they have done. Yes, perhaps this 180 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: will be haggled out over the table there in Islamabad. 181 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: But leading up to it, how do we know what 182 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: we know? 183 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 5: To ask? A very base can cover some question. 184 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, look, it's tough. 185 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 8: I mean, obviously the President raises his expectations with some 186 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 8: of the things he says. 187 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 9: Maybe he's picking up. 188 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 8: Spot reports from his advisors, which which maybe is missing 189 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 8: some nuance, but nonetheless the expectation was real. Or as 190 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 8: the President's been saying that we're very, very close to 191 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 8: a deal, that it's that they want it really badly. 192 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 8: And then what you hear coming out of Iran as 193 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 8: recently as the last twenty four hours, where the lead negotiator, 194 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 8: Speaker Glibof has said, yes, progress was made in Islamabad 195 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 8: last week, but we are far from a significant There 196 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 8: are significant differences between our negotiating positions. Now he's the 197 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 8: lead negotiator and un paraphrasing, but that shows. 198 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 9: There's a much bigger gap. 199 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 10: Now. 200 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 8: Look, I'll also say that what the Iranians say publicly 201 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 8: to the West and what they say privately to their 202 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 8: own people are two different things because they're trying to 203 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 8: manage the domestic audience. So it is hard to pass 204 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 8: through what's going on. But when I look at each 205 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 8: side's negotiating positions, going back to the fifteen points proposed 206 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 8: by President Trump and the ten points proposed by. 207 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 9: The Iranians, I just see few areas of agreement. The 208 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 9: big issues. 209 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 8: There's a major disagreement when it comes to nuclear richment, 210 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 8: when it comes to returning the nuclear fuel, when it 211 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 8: comes to what's going to be the future of the 212 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 8: straight of hor Moves. I mean, when we talked yesterday 213 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 8: about what the Foreign Minister said and what the IRGC 214 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 8: is saying is the new normal they want to establish 215 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 8: is that they have sovereignty over the strait and they 216 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 8: will control manage who goes through, and they will impose tolls, 217 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 8: much like what happens at the Panama Canal. And that's 218 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 8: clearly something we the West cannot tolerate. So I think 219 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 8: this is just going to have to play out of 220 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 8: the coming days. I still see the positions based on 221 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 8: my historical understanding of where both sides are. It's too 222 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 8: far apart to get a deal here in the next 223 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 8: forty eight to seventy two hours. 224 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: Do you think this conflict was a strategic blunder by 225 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: the US given that Iran has now figured out even 226 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: if it gives up its nuclear program, it has a 227 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: more powerful card to play in closing the. 228 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 5: Strait, at least economically. Ye. 229 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 8: You know, you can't tally the score until the game's over. 230 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 8: And you know, right now, obviously we've had considerable progress 231 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 8: at the military level, which with regard to taking down 232 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 8: the military objectives of defeating their navy, degrading their air defense, 233 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 8: their air force, so forth, and saw on. But at 234 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 8: this point time, at the strategic level, we know that 235 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 8: Iran is still refusing to yield to our nuclear demands, 236 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 8: and that was ostensibly the reason why we got into 237 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 8: this conflict eight weeks ago. If you recall in Geneva, 238 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 8: whit Cough and Kushner said, look, the Iranians aren't serious 239 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 8: on the nuclear issue. We need to try something different, 240 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 8: and that's when Operation Epic Fury was Lost was launched. 241 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 9: I'm sorry. So would you. 242 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: In your time, if the president came to you when 243 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: you were running the Pentagon, would you have said this 244 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: was a good idea. 245 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 9: Well, this happened to times during my tenure. 246 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 8: I would say, look, these are the things we can do, 247 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 8: but wars are unpredictable. Once you get into them, it's 248 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 8: easy to get in, but hard to get out. And 249 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 8: I talk about this a lot in my memoir about 250 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 8: how we would have these discussions, and it would be 251 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 8: myself and the Chairman warning about getting into a conflict 252 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 8: without positioning troops in advance, without being prepared for a 253 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 8: ground war, and without being prepared for all these other 254 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 8: consequences we're seeing. So that's look that I thought that 255 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 8: was my job a to prepare plans to go to war, 256 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 8: make sure the force is ready, but b give my 257 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 8: best advice with regard to the pros and cons. And 258 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 8: you know there's been documentation about the presence of russ 259 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 8: being at various positions on this with regard to getting it. 260 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 8: But the views he felt emboldened after after what happened 261 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 8: last June with Midnight Hammer, with the Venezuela operation, and 262 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 8: was maybe convinced that if he did this operation decapitated 263 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 8: the government, they might fall. 264 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 9: And clearly clearly it didn't. 265 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 3: Let me ask you lastly about Lebanon, which of course 266 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: has been such a crucial issue here, and we have 267 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 3: headlines this morning from Israel's Defense Minster saying he and 268 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: Benjamin and Yahoo instructed the idea of to ask with 269 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: act with all force from the ground, from the air, 270 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: even during the ceasefire, to protect our soldiers in Lebanon 271 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: from any threat. A crucial issue year for the US 272 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: is the greed to which they and Israel are going 273 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: to be on the same page. How big a challenge 274 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: is that going to be going forward here? 275 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 8: Well, Israel clearly has different goals than we have when 276 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 8: it comes to both Iran and Lebanon, and the Lebanon 277 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 8: issue has been dragging on for the Israelis as long 278 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 8: as Hesbelah has been in existence since the early nineteen eighties. 279 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 8: So and this isn't the first time that there's been 280 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 8: some type of agreement or a commitment by the Lebanese 281 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 8: government to disarm Hesbelah to move them back up north. 282 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 8: So look, I think Israel clearly wants to go in 283 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 8: and push the Hesbela further north of the Latawni River, 284 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 8: disarm them once again, take out their leadership. But they're 285 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 8: playing to President Trump's fiddle right now because Trump wants 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 8: a deal, and to get the deal, he had to 287 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 8: push them to us to have a ceasefire with the Lebanese, 288 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 8: with Hesbela, to be more specific, in order to get 289 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 8: the Iranians to back down a little bit. So I 290 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 8: think the question will be is if the ceasefire between 291 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 8: the United States and Iran breaks down in three days, 292 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 8: will the ceasefire between hesb Law and Israel also break down? 293 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 9: That'll be an important point to watch. 294 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: I mean, very quickly, what do you think will happen? 295 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: Do you think it will break down? 296 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 8: Where the rhetoric is this morning, I see it very 297 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 8: hard to get an agreement in forty eight hours. So 298 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 8: my sense is the President might be forced to launch 299 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 8: some type of military tax to live up to what 300 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 8: he said, rather than kind of yielding or extending the agreement. 301 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 9: But who knows, we'll see. 302 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking time. Former Defense of 303 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: Tarry Mark Esper joining us this morning. 304 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. 305 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: Right after this, President Trump says Special Envoy Steve Witkoff 306 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: will head to Islamabad for talks on Tuesday, if that 307 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: could last until Wednesday, after Ron reversed this decision to 308 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: reopen shipping to the strait of horror moves. Energy Secretary 309 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: Chris Wright was on CNN's State of the Union earlier 310 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: and had this to say about negotiations. 311 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 9: Negotiations are going very well. 312 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 11: A lot of the chatter and noise you here in 313 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 11: public is really the signs of a regime that's falling apart. 314 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 11: Different factions go in different directions. They're worried about trying 315 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 11: to get some leverage at the end of these negotiations. 316 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 11: I think President Trump and Vice President Vance have us 317 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 11: on a pathway to a good ending of this conflict 318 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 11: before long. 319 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: Join US now is access is White House supporter Marcapudo 320 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: and Atlantic staff rider Nancy useef Mark. Let me start 321 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: with you and just get your read of the latest here, 322 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: the present making the rounds over the course of the morning, 323 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: indicating that Steve Woodcoff Jared christ are gonna be the point. 324 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: People go into these talks curious what you make of 325 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: that the latest there, and sort of what you think 326 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: will be notably different at this meeting compared to the 327 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: one that took place between JD. Vance and his running 328 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: counterparts last week. 329 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 12: Well, I have no idea what's going to be notably different. 330 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 12: One of the things that seems to be through line 331 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 12: is everything seems to be notably the same. The only 332 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 12: through line we have so far is that there's generally 333 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 12: a ceasefire between the United States and Iran, between Israel 334 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 12: and Lebanon. But otherwise everyone keeps claiming that progress is 335 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 12: being made, but what's really happening. As a result, we've 336 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 12: had a few things in axios that we had reported. 337 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 12: One that there is an idea out there that the 338 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 12: US had started to advance of providing Iran access to 339 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 12: its frozen assets, its currency bank accounts, essentially of about 340 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 12: twenty billion dollars in return for them giving up uranium 341 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 12: to the United States. It's highly rich uranium stockpiles. The 342 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 12: Iranians wanted more money, and then the President came out 343 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 12: and said he wasn't going to do this. However, there 344 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 12: remained the very big issues, which is Iran has highly 345 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 12: enriched uranium, the United States has access to Iran's money 346 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 12: and has basically frozen them out from it. That's a 347 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 12: possible trade item. Iran has closed the straight of horm moves, 348 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 12: the United States wants it open and has a blockade. 349 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 12: Those things seem tradable. And then more broadly, the United 350 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 12: States has lots of weaponry and sanctions against Iran. Iran 351 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 12: funds terrorist proxy groups like Hamas, has Bulla and Houthis, 352 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 12: and so that also seems to be a trade item. 353 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 12: But so far we have not seen anything in writing 354 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 12: that clearly shows what's up for trade, what's up for discussion, 355 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 12: what the progress is. So until then you have statements 356 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 12: from President Trump and what you just played there, and 357 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 12: Energy Secretary Chris Wright saying all this progress is happening, 358 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 12: and then you have the running saying no, no, it's not. 359 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 12: We do know they're talking, because obviously they're talking, and 360 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 12: also they're not shooting. 361 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: I do need to ask you, as we were speaking 362 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: at your Axios colleague, Brockervied was now contradicting the President, 363 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: who said earlier that Vice President Jadevans would not be 364 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: attending these talks. Axios is now reporting that Vice President 365 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: jd Vance will lead the US delegation for another right 366 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: of talks Islamabad. I know you've been on with us, 367 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: but I didn't know if if you'd heard that as well, 368 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: and what you're thinking. 369 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 13: Is on that. 370 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 12: I didn't want to come out and say it because 371 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 12: I wasn't sure if it had come out yet. It 372 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 12: would be a shocking breach of protocol if jady Vance 373 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 12: were not there. So when you just listed those two 374 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 12: names and didn't list jade Vance, I was rather surprised. Yes, 375 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 12: jady Vance is the lead negotiatory supposed to be, and 376 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 12: he's going to be taking that role here as well. 377 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: All right, Nancy, let's go to you. I want to 378 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: talk to you about some of the mixed messaging we're getting, 379 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: not just from the administration but also on the Iranian 380 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: side as well. We've had infighting between IRGC members and 381 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: political more political elites. We've had this very bellicose tweet 382 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: this morning or social media posts from the President threatening 383 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: to once again take out Iran's bridges and power plants, 384 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: but at the same time going back to talks and 385 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: saying things are progressing and they think that the US 386 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: can get a deal. What is going on here? 387 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 14: So you make a very important point because over the 388 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 14: end of the weekend, or at least on Friday, we 389 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 14: saw talks about a ceasefire from the Foreign Minister, for 390 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 14: only the state news media to say that actually the 391 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 14: Aya Tola was on board. And the reason that was 392 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 14: significant not just because it impacts the talks, but it 393 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 14: was the first rule break we've seen our fissures within 394 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 14: the regime, something we've been looking for as a sign 395 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 14: of potential fractures for the regime, and so that was noteworthy. 396 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 14: But I think you get at a very important point 397 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 14: is we're also seeing some broken patterns in the United 398 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 14: States where the President, facing challenges in terms of reaching 399 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 14: a strategic outcome that is beneficial to the United States, 400 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 14: is turning back to tactical threats. We saw this earlier 401 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 14: with the threat to kill a civilization. And now, as 402 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 14: you note in this latest social media post, he's threatened 403 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 14: to strike Iranian infrastructure. In addition to being a violation 404 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 14: to the Geneva Conventions. Doing so doesn't answer the ultimate 405 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 14: question that the US is trying to resolve, which is 406 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 14: how to get the strategic outcome that they want. And 407 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 14: so it feels to me that we're on a cycle 408 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 14: in which we're trying to leverage the US military superiority 409 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 14: to reach and understanding what we want to achieve through 410 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 14: these war aims. And as your colleague noted, there are 411 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 14: a lot of things that the United States and iron 412 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 14: are trying to achieve, the nuclear program, reopening the Strait sanctions, 413 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 14: relieve what would happen with the proxies, the Iruni proxies, 414 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 14: and the Warren Lebanon. The last time there were serious 415 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 14: negotiations about this, it took nearly two years to reach 416 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 14: an agreement on just one component of it. And so 417 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 14: I know there's been a back and forth today about 418 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 14: whether the Vice President is attending and what that means. 419 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 14: I'm also curious if there will be more technical experts 420 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 14: in this next round of negotiations, because in the past 421 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 14: these negotiations were successful not when the top sort of 422 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 14: headline making attendees were there, but when the experts were 423 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 14: able to work out these details such that when folks 424 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 14: like the Vice president or the president's top negotiator came 425 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 14: to the table, it wasn't to iron out these very 426 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 14: very specific points, but to really sort of put the 427 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 14: final signature on it. So I'm curious if we'll see 428 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 14: a different tactic in terms of how how the United 429 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 14: States approaches these talks, not just through who's attending from 430 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 14: the White House, but who's attending from government agencies that 431 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 14: could really help get to a resolution. 432 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: Mark, we got about a minute left, but I do 433 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 3: want to ask you about your reporting on what's happening 434 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: with Cuba, because the President has maintained that that's still 435 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: very much a live issue for him going forward. 436 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 5: Here. 437 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: I'm struck the last time I sat down with Cuba's 438 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: ambassador to the UN, he was reluctant to tell me 439 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: with whom the Cubans had been meeting. Wouldn't safe with 440 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: Secretary Ruby or others. We now know that there has 441 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 3: been a meeting. Give us in this minute that we 442 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 3: have left. The latest that you know of the status 443 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: of those conversations as the President's threats continue. 444 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 12: Friday before last, eight days ago, a high level State 445 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 12: Department delegation went down to Havana, touchdown in Havanah, first 446 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 12: time the United States government plane had done that since 447 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 12: twenty sixteen when President Obama went. They had meetings with 448 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 12: the Cuban officials, Cuban apparatrics, as well as the grandson 449 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 12: of Raoul Castro known as Raulito, also nicknamed El Congrejo 450 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 12: the Crab, and they basically delivered the United States long 451 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 12: standing message that we need to have economic and democratic reforms, 452 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 12: free political prisoners, and start discussing returning seized assets that 453 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 12: were taken during the revolution to US persons and corporate interests. 454 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 12: In return, the United States didn't offer much. They offered 455 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 12: to help set up Starlink to increase internet access. They 456 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 12: also made very clear what the United States did to 457 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 12: the Cubans that if there's a huge problem and a 458 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 12: humanitarian crisis or societal collapse in Cuba, the United States 459 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 12: is not going to stand idly by. That's not a 460 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 12: direct threat, but boy, it's an indirect one. 461 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: All right, We're going to have to leave it there. 462 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: Mark Pudo white House repporter for Axios and Nancy Yusef 463 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: with The Atlantic. Stay with us for more on Bloomberg 464 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: this weekend right after. 465 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 5: This birthday is this Wednesday, April twenty second. 466 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: And of course, one of the biggest threats to the 467 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: planet is climate change. According to a recent study, climate 468 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: change could the world economy some thirty eight trillion dollars 469 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: per year by the middle of the century. 470 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: And of course climate chang josh so impacts the food 471 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: we eat, how we eat it, how we get it. 472 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: And joining us now is award winning chef, TV host 473 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: and restaurant tour Andrew Zimmern. He's also the author of 474 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: a new cookbook, the Blue Food Cookbook, Delicious Seafood Recipes 475 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: for a Sustainable Future. Andrew, thank you so much for 476 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: joining us. 477 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 7: Thank you great to be here. 478 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: So explain to us blue foods. Is that like blue 479 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: zones we talk about those for health? Or what does 480 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: this mean? And why did you want to write this? 481 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 10: No, that's my buddy Dan Butner's book, which is great 482 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 10: in an olternative consequence. Is the production company that I 483 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 10: owned produces his podcast and he's one of my best friends. 484 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 7: A great book and you should buy that too. 485 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: Sarreally blue works for him. I'm gonna use it as well. 486 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 15: I got it. 487 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 7: Thanks exactly, well exactly. 488 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 10: The United Nations use this term over a decade ago, 489 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 10: and then nobody else did. And my co author Barton 490 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 10: sever and our collaborators fed by Blue, who helped vet 491 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 10: all the technical information in the book, we all felt 492 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 10: it was really important to come up with a way 493 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 10: to talk about food that comes from water fish, shellfish, 494 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 10: lake fish, brook trout, seaweeds very importantly, and be able 495 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 10: to talk about them from a global perspective as opposed 496 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 10: to green foods and green economies, which are obviously terrestrial. 497 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 10: If we want to combat climate change, if we want 498 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 10: to feed a hungry year planet, if we want to 499 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 10: do so economically, and we want to make sure that 500 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 10: hunger is something that is statistically eliminated on planet Earth, 501 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 10: which is actually possible to do, there is a path 502 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 10: of success for that, then that all the solutions start 503 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 10: with blue foods and our water systems most importantly, because 504 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 10: we have I have to protect them, but we also 505 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 10: have to produce from them. At the same time, every 506 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 10: second breath we take comes from the ocean, and by 507 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 10: working on the ocean. Working in the ocean and all 508 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 10: of our water systems, we can do a better job 509 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 10: of protecting it and producing from it. 510 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: At the same time, we're going to ask about at 511 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: least one recipe here in a moment. But let me 512 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: just ask you about when I go to the store 513 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: and buy seafood, what should I be looking for? 514 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 5: In other words, in the spirit of going. 515 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: After blue foods, what are the best things for me 516 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 3: to target or purchase as a food eating consumer here 517 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: in America in twenty twenty six. 518 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 10: You should simply ask the person who's behind the counter 519 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 10: or wearing the red vest if they're stalking the frozen 520 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 10: aisle or the canned isle, because remember, responsibly source seafoods 521 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 10: that are properly handled are in three places in your markets. 522 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 10: But ask the person you know about the catch of 523 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 10: the day, Ask about what's fresh, Ask, most importantly, is 524 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 10: it responsibly sourced. The questions that people ask themselves with 525 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 10: fish and shellfish all the time is fressure, frozen, wild 526 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 10: or farmed? 527 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 7: And those questions are really irrelevant. 528 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 10: There are bad actors in the fresh and frozen space. 529 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 10: There are bad actors in the farmed and the wild 530 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 10: fisheries management space, but the good actors far outweigh them. 531 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: Well, there's a recipe in here for chocolate chip Kelp brownies. 532 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: Seafood didn't be a dessert. Any other outliers that you 533 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: think might take some convincing, but you're going to stand 534 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: by well. 535 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 7: Seaweedn't desert. 536 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 10: It is just a great way to get something super 537 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 10: healthy into your body. The FAO and the OMB all 538 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 10: estimate that by twenty forty five, which is nineteen years 539 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 10: from now, we will produce see more seafood by weight 540 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 10: in America than we will potatoes. 541 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 7: Think about that. Seaweed is the food of the future. 542 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 10: It requires very little equipment, and it is all a 543 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 10: plus side. I would encourage people to be eating nutritious 544 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 10: oily fish that are good for our brain health and 545 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 10: our body's development. A sardine, a fresh sardine, but also 546 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 10: a tin one are literally perfect foods when it comes 547 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 10: to our health. We need to be incorporating more foods 548 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 10: like that into our diets. 549 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: I want to ask you lastly just about the changes 550 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 3: that we've seen in terms of availability of fish, lobster, 551 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: bivalves as well. Climate changes is having a role there, 552 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 3: how do you think about that in the context of 553 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 3: what you're advocating people leader or go after. 554 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 5: How much is that landscape changing. 555 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 10: Well, it changes all the time, which is why I've 556 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 10: been calling for in America for one national agency to. 557 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 7: Help us monitors heat food. 558 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 10: Right now, we have an alphabet soup of different agencies, 559 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 10: all of which are doing good jobs, but nobody is 560 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 10: really talking to each other. It's also why I've advocated 561 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 10: for a Secretary of Food, a cabinet level position. Food 562 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 10: and food adjacent businesses are one of the largest sections 563 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 10: of GDP. You know, independent restaurants alone. Forget about farms 564 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 10: and all of the food production companies, but just independent 565 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 10: restaurants alone is about six percent of GDP. We have 566 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 10: food decisions being made by six different alphabet agencies in Washington, 567 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 10: DC alone, So I think we need to centralize all 568 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 10: that under one office. I think the other thing that 569 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 10: we need to do is we need to remember that 570 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 10: the oceans are always changing. What's available one day is 571 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 10: not available the other. Lobsters are marching north to colder climates, 572 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 10: so are crabs in search of food. And I think 573 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 10: what people should do is they should be communicating more 574 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 10: with the person behind the counter at a supermarket, at 575 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 10: a big box store, or at a fish store about 576 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 10: what that store thinks they should be eating. 577 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,239 Speaker 7: Let them right now be the gatekeeper for you. 578 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 10: Eat lower on the food chain and try to make 579 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 10: sure that you become a good global citizen. To answer 580 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 10: David's question more exactly, shop the fish, not the dish. 581 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 10: If you go into the market, you're going to make 582 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 10: fish and chips with cod, and cod's not there. Ask 583 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 10: the person behind the counter, Hey, I was going to 584 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 10: make fish and chips with cod. There's no cod. What 585 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 10: should I use instead? Let those people help be your 586 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 10: guidepost Shop the dish. 587 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 7: Not the fish. 588 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: All right, I think we're gonna have to leave it there. 589 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 15: Thank you so much. 590 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 7: Have a great day, all right. 591 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: The book is the Blue Food Cookbook, Delicious Sepid Recipes 592 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: for a Sustainable Future. 593 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 4: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 594 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: after this. 595 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: Good News now this weekend's pointed news quiz, the news 596 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: quiz for risk takers. 597 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: David is this week have you been practicing so. 598 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 5: Much as I can? You know, I read regularly, and 599 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 5: you know. 600 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 15: Tim beat my very first lost him tell me more. 601 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 15: But I was reveling in this. 602 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: However, we have a guest star we do playing along 603 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: with us, and. 604 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 13: I think this is probably like the most dreads enough 605 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 13: I felt in my embarrassed even joke. 606 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 15: About the same way. 607 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 9: But it'll be fine, Lisa, Master will make you look good. 608 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 4: Okay, let me explain it to you because you're new 609 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 4: to this ed. Okay, So basically, we have three different categories. Okay, 610 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 4: do you have ten, ten, ten, thirty chips in front 611 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 4: of you? 612 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 15: Okay? What you do with those chips? 613 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: You figure out how confident are you are with each category. 614 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: If you know the first category, you're gonna put ten chips, 615 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 4: you're gonna be twenty chips. 616 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 15: Maybe maybe thirty all in one, it depends. I usually 617 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 15: just go to even. 618 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: But if you're really confident on one, you can slide another. 619 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 4: I'll ask you the question, you write it on your board, 620 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: and I'll tell you guys to flip it and we'll 621 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 4: see who gets it wrong. 622 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 15: Okay. 623 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 5: If he's wrong, what happens? You take the chips and 624 00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 5: if you're. 625 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 4: Wrong, I get your chips a little piece of your salt. 626 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 15: That's right, Okay, So let's get to the category. 627 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 9: Categories. 628 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 15: Categories okay. 629 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: First category is investigations, second category business leader, and third 630 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: category con cons. 631 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 13: Does cons mean like pro and console con artists or convictions? 632 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 15: Okay? Thank you, not that I'm but it's. 633 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: Good to ask ye. 634 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: To spell the word sentence. 635 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 4: All right, are you ready for the first How are 636 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 4: you betting? 637 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: How are you? 638 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 5: I put nothing on the person? 639 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: You put nothing on the first one? 640 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 7: Ten? 641 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 14: Five? 642 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: No, you can't go five. 643 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 5: I can't. 644 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 15: Literally let's go ten. 645 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: Ten alright, okay, okay, so you're going ten o the 646 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 4: first so ten ten, ten, ten, okay, good, all right, 647 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: here we go. 648 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 15: The question is. 649 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 4: Gomez was charged with influence, peddling and commercial bribery. Her 650 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: hut bind is which country's premiere? Her name is miss? 651 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 4: Her husband is which country's premiere? 652 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 5: Really? 653 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 4: Now, come on, David, all right, everybody's read. 654 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 5: I just love the music, which is the reason. 655 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 9: I like to he does. 656 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 15: Okay, flipp it? What do you got David? There will start, David. 657 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 4: You got Columbia, Christina Spain ed. 658 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 15: Spain is the answer. 659 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 9: For the record. 660 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 4: Only, So you didn't bet anything, David. Okay, we're doing well, we're. 661 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 5: Doing we're winning. 662 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 4: We're against David. Here we go next, one category business leaders. 663 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 15: Are you ready? Okay, hold on, sorry, yes? 664 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: Are you going to ten for business leaders? 665 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: Yes? 666 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 15: And again? 667 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 4: Okay, good, you're going with twenty twenty for business leaders? Okay. 668 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: A man allegedly through a Maltov cocktail at the San 669 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 4: Francisco home of which business figure. What was the name 670 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 4: of this business figure? 671 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 9: It's the other one, the other one. 672 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 15: If it's one of them, it's the one. 673 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be all right. 674 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 4: We're all ready flip its moment, alady, everybody got it? Okay, good, good, good, good, excellent. 675 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 5: For the record, I've got twenty points for that. 676 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 4: Okay, but they still have their their two so we're 677 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 4: all tied up here, all right. 678 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 15: Have had more conviction that I was going to do? 679 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 15: You should have known that. 680 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 6: All right? 681 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 4: Are you ready for the cons Okay? 682 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 5: This is like okay the French City. 683 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 15: Oh no, no, okay. 684 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: The founder, the founder of which annual New York event 685 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 4: was arrested on charges that he stole money raised for charity. 686 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 4: What is the name of that New York you know? 687 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 10: This is? 688 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 9: I hate this thing. 689 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 13: Yes, some issue with the question which we can get into. 690 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 9: Let's do think the category isleting I. 691 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 13: Know we'll get to it. 692 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm right, okay, okay, flipp it. 693 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 15: What do we got calla David? 694 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 9: I read. 695 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 5: Charity event? 696 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 15: Charity event in San Francisco as well, like a New 697 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 15: York City thing started in New York. I don't know, 698 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 15: but it had to about that, did you bet? Oh? 699 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 4: I get your chips. David, you're down. 700 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 5: This is probably my most low in the city. 701 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 4: All right, David, terrible. We got to go for a bonus. Then, 702 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 4: you know that is your uload. 703 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: This current news quiz is your most loath day. Find 704 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: out the end of this at the end of the Okay, 705 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: all right, we've got about all right, we have a 706 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 2: bonus only minute. 707 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 15: Okay. 708 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 4: It has thirty Christinas there and you have ten twenty David, 709 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 4: all right, anti trust this is the category? 710 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 5: All in? 711 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, all in, Okay, okay, okay, okay, all right, here 712 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 4: we go. Which confectioner, a large consumer of hazelnuts, was 713 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 4: a target of European Union anti trust raids this week? 714 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 4: Which confection what is the name products? 715 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 9: I can't think of the company. 716 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: It's a large consumer of hazelnuts, very distinction. 717 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 3: No does it so delicious on a piece of bread? 718 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 4: Milk. I help, spelling is not counting here, come on 719 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 4: the name of the company. The company. 720 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 10: Sorry, exactly what I was saying, I was going to write. 721 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 4: Ferrero like kind of I did not know until I 722 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 4: was that. 723 00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 9: I didn't know. 724 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 13: But Motela inside of Otemus too in the spacecraft was 725 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 13: the biggest story. 726 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 10: It was. 727 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: It floated right past the date about the game, perhaps 728 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: more than the game itself. 729 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 5: Don't kill our colleagues in the. 730 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 13: Game, Sundbag to you, guys, you did say really good, 731 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 13: you have to come back. You did it? 732 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 5: Okay, thank you. I appreciate that patronizing statement. All right, you. 733 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 3: Can test your knowledge and all ten questions. Take the 734 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 3: Portynews quiz at Bloomberg dot com slash forty. 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