WEBVTT - Tech in the Great Outdoors

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from my Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And how the tech are you today? I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about technology that's designed to enhance our time spent outdoors,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically when you're doing stuff like hiking or camping. And

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<v Speaker 1>before we really get into it, I thought I would

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about my own experiences of camping

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<v Speaker 1>back when I was much much younger. You see, I

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<v Speaker 1>camped fairly frequently. As a teenager. I had joined the

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<v Speaker 1>Society for Creative Anachronism or s c A, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a nonprofit group that, at least in theory, is dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to learning about culture during the Middle Ages. In practice,

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<v Speaker 1>it can often be more about dressing up in funny clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>eating a lot of food, and hitting each other with

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<v Speaker 1>rattan sticks wrapped and duct tape. Anyway, I would often

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<v Speaker 1>attend s c A events, which usually took place at campgrounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant camping. So I had all the camping basics.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a tent, I had a sleeping bag, and

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<v Speaker 1>um if I remember to pack it, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>beat up egg crate, foam mattress topper to take a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of the staying of a sleeping on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was pretty much the extent of my camping gear. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved the sea events, but it didn't care for

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<v Speaker 1>camping too much. It was too uncomfortable and inconvenient. Now, luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>this was way back before we had stuff like smartphones

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<v Speaker 1>or else. I really would have gone nuts if I

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<v Speaker 1>had been cut off from that technology. My point is

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<v Speaker 1>I lacked the right stuff to make camping right for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I got older and less resilient, I lost

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<v Speaker 1>interest in camping. I mean, these days, if I were

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<v Speaker 1>to try and sleep on the ground without a prop

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<v Speaker 1>per pad, I would probably be unable to move the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. But here's the thing. I didn't really lose

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<v Speaker 1>interest in camping itself. I lost interest in putting myself

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<v Speaker 1>through discomfort. And also since those days, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to some of y'all might seem like to happen just

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<v Speaker 1>after the Middle Ages, things have changed significantly. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got smartphones and other devices that more of us

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<v Speaker 1>lean on year after year. In fact, I think some

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<v Speaker 1>of y'all have probably experienced withdrawal symptoms whenever you're pulled

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<v Speaker 1>away from your smart devices. And that's not a comment

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<v Speaker 1>on your character. Rather, it's a comment on how incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>useful and yes, addictive, these devices have become. Well, something

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is really cool is how various companies

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<v Speaker 1>have responded to this by creating solutions that start to

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<v Speaker 1>remove the things that would otherwise make people say, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want to go camping. There are so many

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<v Speaker 1>examples of technologies that ideally encourage more people to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and spend time in nature, and that time is valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it can help you shed stress and anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>It can encourage a sense of accomplishment. You know, everything

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<v Speaker 1>from setting up your tent to lighting a fire or

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<v Speaker 1>a camp stove, or cooking a meal. All of these

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<v Speaker 1>things can really make you feel better while you're exploring

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<v Speaker 1>nature and walking around national parks that you otherwise would

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<v Speaker 1>have just passed on by as you go from one

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<v Speaker 1>city to or another. It's it's a significant thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>today we're going to take a look at some of

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<v Speaker 1>the technology designed to get you out from behind your computer,

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<v Speaker 1>out of your house, and out into the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought I would start off with a hobby

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<v Speaker 1>that I first became aware of more than a decade ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking about geo cashing. So geo cashing is

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<v Speaker 1>an activity that grew out of the fact that in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, the then US President Bill Clinton brought an

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<v Speaker 1>end to a practice called selective availability. All right, but

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck is that? Well before two thousand, GPS

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<v Speaker 1>signals were considered to be crucial for national security in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. As such, there was a requirement that

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<v Speaker 1>any public GPS signals first had to be degraded before

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<v Speaker 1>citizens would be able to access them. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if you use a civilian GPS device, the information you

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<v Speaker 1>got about your position was only sort of correct, and

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<v Speaker 1>by sort of, I mean your positioning could be off

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<v Speaker 1>by like a hundred meters, which is significant. You would

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to use a GPS device for navigation.

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<v Speaker 1>If that were the case. You would get an instruction

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<v Speaker 1>to make a right turn, and it would just turn

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<v Speaker 1>out that that road that you're supposed to turn on

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<v Speaker 1>is fifty behind you, or maybe it's a hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of you, or maybe you're not even on the

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<v Speaker 1>road that the GPS device thinks you're on. So before

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand GPS devices at least four civilians were interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but not practically useful in any way. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>different matter for GPS devices that were used by say

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<v Speaker 1>the military, those signals were not degraded. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>wondering how did they degrade the signals, it all has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with timing. You see, the signals that get

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<v Speaker 1>to your device are coming from satellites, multiple satellites, and

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<v Speaker 1>each of those satellites has a very precise clock on it.

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<v Speaker 1>When those satellites send out a signal that your device receives,

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<v Speaker 1>it knows when that signal was sent by the satellite,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can measure the amount of time that it

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<v Speaker 1>took for the message to go from the satellite to

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<v Speaker 1>the device, and by coordinating that with multiple satellites, you

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<v Speaker 1>can figure out where on the Earth you are. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the way selective availability worked, the satellites would fudge the

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<v Speaker 1>time just a little bit, but just a tiny change

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<v Speaker 1>in time was enough to make a significant change in

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<v Speaker 1>the results on the GPS device, making you think you're

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere where you're not, at least by a hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>or so. Well. Starting on May one, two thousand. All

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<v Speaker 1>that changed. President Clinton ended selective availability, and the constellation

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<v Speaker 1>of GPS satellites would send accurate information instead of masking it,

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<v Speaker 1>giving you a precise location when you used your device. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that capability encourage some GPS hobbyists to create a new activity. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea was you go to some location, frequently a

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<v Speaker 1>remote location out in nature, somewhere, preferably one that you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to be in. Right, You're not supposed to trespass

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that on private property, So you would

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<v Speaker 1>go someplace where you're allowed to be and you would

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<v Speaker 1>take note of your precise location using a GPS device.

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<v Speaker 1>You would write down the coordinates. Then you would take

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<v Speaker 1>a container of some sort, preferably weather proof and resistant

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<v Speaker 1>to damage, and you would put inside that contain a

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<v Speaker 1>log book for others to sign, some writing implements so

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<v Speaker 1>that people can sign it, maybe a couple of cheap

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<v Speaker 1>little do dads as a type of reward, and you

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<v Speaker 1>would seal all of that away and hide the container.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you would go back home, hop on a database

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<v Speaker 1>frequented by other GPS hobbyists and you would share the coordinates.

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<v Speaker 1>The other hobbyists can then use those coordinates and use

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<v Speaker 1>their own devices to try and navigate to that precise location,

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<v Speaker 1>search for the container, open it up, signed the log book,

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<v Speaker 1>and take a do dad. Now, the practice quickly evolved

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<v Speaker 1>so that the hobbyists who are doing the hunting would

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<v Speaker 1>bring along their own little do dads, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>swap them out so they might have a token of

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<v Speaker 1>their own that kind of was their signature, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would leave that token in the stash and take something

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<v Speaker 1>else from it and then go on their way after

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<v Speaker 1>signing the logbook, and the log books grew longer and longer.

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<v Speaker 1>This hobby is still going on today, and frequently. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the driving fact ars of this hobby is that

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<v Speaker 1>the hobbyists like to find locations that are special in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, and it may be that getting to those

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<v Speaker 1>special places requires some determination and skill. Often that will

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<v Speaker 1>be marked down on a database to how much strenuous

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<v Speaker 1>activity might be required for you to reach the destination.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the destination will have a spectacular view, like it

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<v Speaker 1>might overlook a waterfall or something. The hobby became part

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<v Speaker 1>treasure hunt, part tech geek activity, and part exploration. As

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<v Speaker 1>more folks joined in, more would go out and about

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<v Speaker 1>finding great locations where they could hide the next dash.

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<v Speaker 1>There are urban versions of this too, where people will

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<v Speaker 1>hide them in like neighborhoods and such, but more frequently

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<v Speaker 1>you hear about ones that are in parks and things

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<v Speaker 1>of that nature. Now, let's be clear, folks could have

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<v Speaker 1>done this kind of activity without the tech. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a very similar hobby called letter boxing, in

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<v Speaker 1>which instead of leaving coordinates, the people who hide a

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<v Speaker 1>stash will share clues and riddles that will lead people

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<v Speaker 1>to wear a stash is hidden. It is in many

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<v Speaker 1>ways similar to geo cashing, but doesn't require the coordinates bit,

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<v Speaker 1>which frankly can make it even more challenging depending on

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<v Speaker 1>how well the clues are formed and how clever you

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<v Speaker 1>are and figuring them out. But the tech in geo

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<v Speaker 1>cashing really facilitated things. It's served as a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>get outside and go exploring. It provided inspiration, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I love about these kinds of technologies. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>they are solving is not about necessarily making camping or

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<v Speaker 1>hiking or even exploring a snap. It's removing the barriers

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<v Speaker 1>that we put up for ourselves that stop us from

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<v Speaker 1>getting out there in the first place. I think. Another

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<v Speaker 1>technology that has inspired folks to get out more are

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<v Speaker 1>quad copters or drones. Many years ago, according to a

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<v Speaker 1>quick search online, I remember seeing a quad copter drone

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. It was at c e S

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<v Speaker 1>or the Consumer Electronics Show, and it was a device

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<v Speaker 1>that's no longer on the market, so there's no point

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<v Speaker 1>in even naming it. But the idea was you could

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<v Speaker 1>have this squad copter and pair your phone to the drone,

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<v Speaker 1>and you would run a special app and your phone

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<v Speaker 1>would become a remote control for the device, and you

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<v Speaker 1>could even use the camera that was on the drone

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<v Speaker 1>to feed a video straight to your phone. Well, at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, I had no way of knowing that what

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<v Speaker 1>I was seeing was going to become an entirely new

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<v Speaker 1>consumer product line. Today, there are dozens of companies that

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<v Speaker 1>are into it. You can find lots of different brands

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<v Speaker 1>of drones. There are plenty of drones that can shoot

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<v Speaker 1>images and video at four K resolution or even higher.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of them have tons of cool features like

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<v Speaker 1>obstacle detection and avoidance that make them easy year to pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can get absolutely breathtaking shots that you would

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise need a helicopter to manage. I've seen phenomenal footage

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<v Speaker 1>from drone pilots and looked at pristine locations that are

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<v Speaker 1>just so gorgeous that I can't help but feel I

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<v Speaker 1>need to go visit those myself. Now. I'm sure for

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<v Speaker 1>some of the folks who are using drones, they were

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<v Speaker 1>already outdoorsy, right. A lot of them might even have

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<v Speaker 1>been into hobbies, or maybe they even had a career

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<v Speaker 1>in nature photography. But there's a slice of drone users

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<v Speaker 1>who before they got their quad coptor, they weren't the

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<v Speaker 1>type to do much outdoor exploration. Now they have a

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<v Speaker 1>device that pretty much requires that they do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's cool too. It gives people a reason

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<v Speaker 1>to get out there. Along the way, they might find

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<v Speaker 1>that they really liked the lifestyle, and they progressively get

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<v Speaker 1>more into it. We're gonna take a quick break. When

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, i'll talk about some more technology that's

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<v Speaker 1>meant to get you out and about in the great outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one technology that has really evolved incredibly rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>over the last decade, maybe two decades, would be the

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<v Speaker 1>camping trailer. So in the old days, a camping trailer

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<v Speaker 1>was really just this terrible living space that you could

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<v Speaker 1>use to sleep in while you were out on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It might feature some pretty cool technology in it. You

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<v Speaker 1>might have climate control options, maybe a fridge, perhaps a

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<v Speaker 1>cooking surface of some sort. But these days there are

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<v Speaker 1>camping trailers that have more smart devices in them than

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<v Speaker 1>my house does. I had a conversation with the CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of a particularly famous company known for its camping trailers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I learned about how, as the head of a

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<v Speaker 1>company that manufactures these things, trailers meant to appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>people who like to go on outdoor adventures, that he

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<v Speaker 1>sees technology as being pivotal to the business model. He

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that people want certain conveniences, for instance, connectivity.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some people feel such a sense of anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>when they have no cell phone service that they can

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy themselves. They're too busy fretting over what they might

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<v Speaker 1>be missing. Those people are far more likely to turn

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<v Speaker 1>down the opportunity to spend time in nature, which is understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>None of us want to invite more anxiety in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>For that reason, he said, his company made sure to

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<v Speaker 1>boost connectivity features in their products, so new models of

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<v Speaker 1>camping trailers would include things like amplified antenna to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up cells service and signal boosters which could take a

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<v Speaker 1>week signal and make it strong enough for campers to

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<v Speaker 1>make it useful. And he also talked about how more

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<v Speaker 1>and more features in the company's campers are smart technologies,

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<v Speaker 1>controllable from an app even if you aren't there, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can do things like check on levels of the

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<v Speaker 1>battery in the camper, or how much water is in

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<v Speaker 1>the camper, things that you would need to know before

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<v Speaker 1>you would actually go out on a trip. You could

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<v Speaker 1>just check it from your phone. Now, obviously his goal

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<v Speaker 1>is to sell as many camping trailers as he possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the business. But his point was unless you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to what customers want and you remove those things that

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<v Speaker 1>would otherwise convince people not to go camping, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to fail as a business. So for folks who want

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<v Speaker 1>the camper experience, there are all sorts of new gadgets

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<v Speaker 1>and gizmos a plenty incorporated into those designs. Today, there

0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.920
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of camper companies out there now. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to single out one at the expense of

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest, because lots of companies are doing innovative

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<v Speaker 1>things with their camper technology. So I'm just gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>in general about some of the tech that we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>to see in prototypes and in at least some cases

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<v Speaker 1>campers you can actually go out and purchase. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work with very lightweight materials and three

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<v Speaker 1>D printed components which are meant to maximize efficient use

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<v Speaker 1>of space while also reducing weight. Reducing that weight makes

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<v Speaker 1>it easier to tow the camper behind your vehicle. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's a prototype camper that has its own

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<v Speaker 1>drive train that ends up using its own power supply

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<v Speaker 1>to help propel the camper behind the towing vehicle so

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<v Speaker 1>that it's less of a load for the towing vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty incredible. Uh. One prototype system even has an

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<v Speaker 1>option where you detach the camper when you get to

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<v Speaker 1>your campsite and you use a connected smartphone as a

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<v Speaker 1>remote control. You can actually maneuver the camper into the

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<v Speaker 1>position you want at your campsite using your phone. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it connected to your vehicle anymore at all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool as heck, and it takes the worry out

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<v Speaker 1>of how to back a camper into the right spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Several of these campers incorporate solar panels to provide electricity

0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.240
<v Speaker 1>to charge on board batteries, which in turn can power

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of stuff like a water pump, a heater

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<v Speaker 1>which gives you a sink with hot and cold water,

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<v Speaker 1>or powering a cooking surface, or an entertainment system, refrigerator,

0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.400
<v Speaker 1>air conditioner, lights, even ultra high definition televisions, and some

0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of these models, it's kind of like having a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>room that's portable. Now, a big trade off you have

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<v Speaker 1>with campers is that they can run to be really

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<v Speaker 1>really expensive. Plus some outdoorsy folks might feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like cheating. I mean, sure, no one wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be miserably uncomfortable when they're out and about, but

0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you might want to at least feel like you're roughing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And sleeping in a luxurious camper surrounded by four K

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<v Speaker 1>television screens probably doesn't at that bill. However, we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of technology that's aimed at outdoor enthusiasts that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't quite go to the extremes of top of the

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<v Speaker 1>line campers. For instance, there are self inflating sleeping pads

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<v Speaker 1>that will get you up off the ground, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something that's absolutely critical when you're in colder months or

0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.800
<v Speaker 1>when the weather turns nasty. Now, this technology actually dates

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<v Speaker 1>back to the nineteen seventies and it's pretty interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So the pads have foam in them. The foam, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to look really closely at it, you would

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<v Speaker 1>see are made up of what are called open cells.

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<v Speaker 1>The cells that create the foam are have open walls

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<v Speaker 1>in them, which allows air to flow into that space. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you pack that stuff into fabric that does not

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<v Speaker 1>allow air to pass through it, and then you include

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<v Speaker 1>a valve that will allow air to pass but only

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<v Speaker 1>in one direction depending on how the valve is set,

0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:03.360
<v Speaker 1>you have yourself an ideal structure for camping. You turn

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<v Speaker 1>the valve so that air can pass into the pad

0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.679
<v Speaker 1>but not out, and air will rush in and the

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<v Speaker 1>pad will expand. That expansion is the foam stretching out,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it does, it starts to create a vacuum

0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.679
<v Speaker 1>and air moves into fill it. Because we all know

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<v Speaker 1>that nature abhorrors a vacuum right well, when it's trying

0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.080
<v Speaker 1>to pack up. Turning the valves that the air can

0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.040
<v Speaker 1>only move out means you can start to compress the

0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.359
<v Speaker 1>pad and squeeze the air from it. The valve prevents

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<v Speaker 1>air from coming back in, so you get the pad

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<v Speaker 1>as compressed as you can so that you can pack

0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it back up again, which is pretty genius. Now there

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<v Speaker 1>are also inflatable air sleeping pads out there, meaning these

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<v Speaker 1>are pads that you have to pump air into or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe blow it up yourself, which to me sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible activity after you've just hiked your camping spot.

0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.800
<v Speaker 1>And of course there are various pumps out there too,

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<v Speaker 1>from hand pumps and foot pumps to battery powered electric pumps.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is there are a lot of solutions for

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<v Speaker 1>campers when it comes to finding the right surface to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep on, and as someone who can tell you from experience,

0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you definitely want to make that at least a little

0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.359
<v Speaker 1>comfortable so that you can move around the next day.

0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.040
<v Speaker 1>By the way, if you do want to shop for

0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that kind of gear, you should pay attention to the

0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.919
<v Speaker 1>temperature ratings on the products. This also will go for

0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.439
<v Speaker 1>sleeping bags, but the rating systems are different and they

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<v Speaker 1>can get very confusing. The air mattress style pads will

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<v Speaker 1>keep you more comfortable as you know as far as

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<v Speaker 1>it being softer than the self inflating foam pads do,

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<v Speaker 1>but the air mattress style pads don't have good insulation

0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:47.040
<v Speaker 1>against the cold. Many sleep pad manufacturers will indicate what

0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.399
<v Speaker 1>their pads are rated for, which is designated with a

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<v Speaker 1>value that has an R in front of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the higher that value is, the better insulated that pad is.

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<v Speaker 1>For those who plan on camping in late fall, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even into winter, and our value of three point five

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>or greater is a good idea. Of anything below that,

0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you are probably going to be too cold at night

0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and you might just want to call it quits rather

0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 1>than enjoy your experience again. Picking the right stuff so

0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that the experience is fun and something that you eagerly

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.119
<v Speaker 1>seek to do again. That's the goal. We're not looking

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:35.399
<v Speaker 1>at making a technology nervana out in the wilderness, but

0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.640
<v Speaker 1>rather an experience that enhances our time outside so that

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<v Speaker 1>we seek it out again and again. As for sleeping bags,

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<v Speaker 1>they come in a variety of shapes and materials and

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<v Speaker 1>temperature ratings. Those ratings are usually designated I s OH

0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that stands for International Standards Organization, So a bag that

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<v Speaker 1>has an I s O rating on it is one

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<v Speaker 1>that the manufacturers submitted to the I s O to

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<v Speaker 1>test the bag out. This actually costs money to the manufacturers,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that not every sleeping bag is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an I s O rating on it. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, I want to talk about the testing process

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the I s O uses because it's actually pretty nifty

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<v Speaker 1>and uses some interesting technology. But first another break. So

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<v Speaker 1>the I s OH, in order to test the sleeping bag,

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<v Speaker 1>gets a test dummy and they cover it in heat sensors.

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<v Speaker 1>They also put the dummy in a base layer of

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.520
<v Speaker 1>clothing you can think of like light pajamas, So there

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.640
<v Speaker 1>are bottoms, there's a top, there's a hat, and socks.

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.400
<v Speaker 1>The dummy is then shoved into the sleeping bag that's

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<v Speaker 1>being tested. Actually, more likely it's folded into it and

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>zipped up, because that makes more sense. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>like the visual of someone having to shove the test

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>dummy into a sleeping bag. And on top of that,

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the bag with the dummy in it is placed on

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.399
<v Speaker 1>top of a winter rated sleeping pad. Now, if you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>before the break, I talked about how sleeping pads have

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<v Speaker 1>an R number associated with them to tell you how

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<v Speaker 1>well insulated they are against, say the cold In the

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 1>case of this test, it's a sleeping pad with a

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.879
<v Speaker 1>rating of R five. That is a significant insulated pad.

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's one really meant for cold cold weather. Now,

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the pad plus the base level of clothing is standardized,

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.359
<v Speaker 1>so they use it on all the different sleeping bags

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 1>out there. Obviously, it would not be fair to switch

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<v Speaker 1>out any of that stuff between tests because that could

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:51.479
<v Speaker 1>lead to incorrect conclusions about the correct temperature rating of

0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the bagging question. Now, the test takes place in a

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<v Speaker 1>room that can be cooled down to around zero degrees fahrenheit.

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.640
<v Speaker 1>The I s SO lowers the temperature and then monitors

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.479
<v Speaker 1>the sensors that are on the dummy to determine the

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 1>lowest temperature at which a human would still likely to

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.959
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable while sleeping in the bag. The I s

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 1>O actually produces two ratings per sleeping bag. The first,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the higher temperature of the two, is for

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<v Speaker 1>people who sleep quote unquote cold, and for those people

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 1>they would probably be comfortable at that temperature, but no lower.

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 1>So these are people who prefer a warmer sleeping environment.

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>If it is cooler than that, then they feel chilly.

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<v Speaker 1>The second number, which is a lower temperature that's sometimes

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.680
<v Speaker 1>referred to as a transition number, is the temperature where

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>people who sleep warmer will feel comfortable. So this would

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<v Speaker 1>be the lowest temperature for those who like it a

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 1>little chilly in when they're sleeping, Like I like a

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<v Speaker 1>nice cave temperature when I'm going to sleep, so I

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<v Speaker 1>sleep warmer. Frequently you will hear folks refer to the

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<v Speaker 1>first number, the higher temperature, as the women's temperature, and

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<v Speaker 1>the second as the men's temperature, because there's a tendency

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>for men to prefer colder temperatures than women. I stress

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<v Speaker 1>it's a tendency, it's not a universal rule. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are sleeping bags that are marketed just to men and

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 1>some that are marketed just to women. And due to

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<v Speaker 1>that tendency to sleep warmer cold, you can have two

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>sleeping bags, one for a man and one for a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>each rated for a comfort level of let's say ten

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>degrees fahrenheit, meaning that if it's ten degrees fahrenheit or warmer,

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>you should be fine. Well, the men's bag is probably

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna be lighter, and that's because of that tendency. It

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.719
<v Speaker 1>takes less insulation to keep your typical man comfortable when

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the environmental temperature is ten degrees than it would to

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>keep a typical woman comfortable. So again, like the temperature

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>is just about the environment, it's not about the bag itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how you factor in which bag is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be right for you. It also depends on what

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.199
<v Speaker 1>time of year you plan on going camping. Now, if

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to have something that's better for more extreme weather,

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>you have to look beyond I s O ratings. The

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<v Speaker 1>I s O only rate bags that are meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be used in temperatures that are zero fahrenheit or warmer.

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Extreme bags, which can go below zero degrees fahrenheit frequently,

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>will have three temperature ratings on them. The first represents

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the temperature a person could expect to sleep in relative comfort.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>The second number, which is often called the limit number,

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>is the lowest temperature someone could be expected to sleep

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>in the bag at all, and the third number the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest of the three. The extreme level is a temperature

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<v Speaker 1>where it would probably be way too cold for you

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to get any sleep, but the bag would likely keep

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you warm enough so that you could survive the night. Now,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>obviously that third scenario is something that represents an emergency situation,

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 1>then we've got tents. You might think tents end up

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>being pretty basic, low tech things, but there are exceptions,

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and of course tents come in a variety of sizes, shapes,

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>and materials. Some tents are essentially just a thin barrier

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>between you and everything outside the tent. That can be

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.360
<v Speaker 1>really useful if you needed to be super lightweight and

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be hiking to your campsite. Others are

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>more rain resistant. Some are rainproof, although you can probably

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>put rainproof in air quotes because it's very possible even

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>for the most resilient rainproof tense to become flooded if

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>you set up the tent poorly in the wrong location,

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>like you start, you have the entry of the tent

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>facing uphill and it starts pouring down rain. That's not

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>going to be great. But tents can go well beyond this. Uh.

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>There are tents that have led light straps sewn into

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<v Speaker 1>the seams and you just plug a couple of double

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<v Speaker 1>A batteries in and you got yourself indoor lighting woven

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>directly into the tent, which is really convenient and because

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>L E D s are so power efficient, those battery

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>should last a good long time. There are tents that

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>use inflatable elements so that you don't have to struggle

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 1>with poles and ropes to get the tent set up,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty cool. I've seen some of these, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never slept in one. I've always been curious about them,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's that really appeals to me, because, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of those people who becomes like Goofy in

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the Disney cartoons when I try and set up a tent.

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm more likely to end up tying myself to a

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<v Speaker 1>tree accidentally. Now and then we see some interesting tent

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>concepts that incorporate things like solar panels and other elements

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>in them that, to be honest, a lot of those

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>seem to remain concepts and never quite migrate over into

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 1>consumer products. As for other camping gear, with the tech side,

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you've got stuff like led lanterns that have solar panels

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<v Speaker 1>so that you can recharge them during the daytime, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty useful when you're out in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere and there's no way be a light. There are

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<v Speaker 1>portable showers, which essentially consists of a bag that you

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>fill up with water and you leave it in the

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>sun to heat up. You hang it from a height,

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and some of them are very simple, just gravity fed systems,

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<v Speaker 1>so you open up a little valve and the water

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<v Speaker 1>comes out due to gravity. Others incorporate foot pedals that

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<v Speaker 1>uh connect an air hose from the foot pedal to

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the bag, so you can actually pump some air into

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the bag, increasing the internal pressure of the bag. So

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>when you open up that valve, that pressure starts to

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>push the water out with more force and you get

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<v Speaker 1>a better shower going. I've seen camp stoves that not

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<v Speaker 1>only provide a way for you to get warmth and

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<v Speaker 1>cook food, but also charge your portable devices. The stoves

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>connect to electronics that harvest thermal energy and convert it

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>into electricity, at least that's what they say they do.

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>You also can charge them typically like you can use

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<v Speaker 1>it as its own portable battery pack, and I think

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that's probably the most efficient way to charge the battery

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<v Speaker 1>on those camp stoves. But still a really interesting concept

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and there's so much more we can chat about.

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<v Speaker 1>There are special filtration systems. They are designed to filter

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>water from streams so it's safe to drink. A lot

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of these fit right into a water bottle so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can fill the bottle up, attached the filter to

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the bottle and drink from the other

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>side of the filter. Others are gravity fed, so you

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>attached two bottles together and the filter is between the two.

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>So you fill one bottle up with say water from

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>a river, you attached the filter to it. You attached

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>an empty bottle on the other side, and you use

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>it almost like an hour glass. The water filters through

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and then it's safe to drink. There are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>different variations of this. There are even ones that are

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<v Speaker 1>shaped like a straw and you can just drink straight

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>from a stream if you wanted to. They are really

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<v Speaker 1>cool and innovative, and most important, they make it safe

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>for you to drink water. For more heavy duty water

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>filtration systems, you can get a hand pump model that

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<v Speaker 1>lets you filter a lot of water all at once.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty useful if you're camping with a big group

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of people. Honestly, you could spend hours looking at camping technology,

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>and I know because I have. I've even had an

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<v Speaker 1>idea for a special series of podcast episodes about the

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>subject we'll have to see if that ever goes beyond

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the prototype phase. Personally, I go back to that philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>that says the best camping tech is the type that

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>gets you out in nature in the first place. There's

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that is gimmicky and flashy, sure, but the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that are important to me are the ones that inspire

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>you to get up and leave your house and head

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>off to the campground or the park and go exploring

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the flash ear stuff. Often I think of that as

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>being more trouble than what it's worth sometimes because you

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember, especially if you're not just going to

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<v Speaker 1>be camping close to wherever you park your car, you've

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>got to carry the stuff too. So it's always good

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<v Speaker 1>to use a little bit of judgment before you go

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<v Speaker 1>hog wild and buy every single tech out there for

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<v Speaker 1>your camping experience and then discover your are incapable of

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<v Speaker 1>moving once you've loaded it all into your backpack. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hope some of y'all out there will take this

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<v Speaker 1>as inspiration to have your own outdoor adventures, whether it's

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>jumping into the geo cashing hobby or spending a weekend

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>out of the campground enjoying nature and good company, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little tech along the way. That's it for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of tech Stuff. If you would like to

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