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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in hour number two Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show, We're going to talk with Julie Kelly

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Speaker 1: about all the lawfair facing Trump and more. Obviously, we

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Speaker 1: are reacting to the New Hampshire primary last night. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump becomes the first Republican presidential candidate since nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: six to win both Iowa and New Hampshire. Gerald Ford

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Speaker 1: did it in a contested presidential primary race. The primary

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Speaker 1: effectively over Trump is going to be the nominee. We

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Speaker 1: are going ahead and progressing beyond the primary itself now

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Speaker 1: and focusing on Okay, let's win, and we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: ten months to talk about how do we win. But

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Speaker 1: in the wake of Nikki Haley saying she's going to

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Speaker 1: continue the campaign, we'll see whether that's true or not.

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Speaker 1: We remember Ron DeSantis, in the wake of his loss

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Speaker 1: in Iowa, said that he was taking that as a

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Speaker 1: ticket to New Hampshire and that he was planning to continue,

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Speaker 1: and then he dropped out before the New Hampshire vote started.

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Speaker 1: I actually think Nikki Haley will drop out before the

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Speaker 1: vote takes place.

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Speaker 2: In Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Maybe she's gonna want to see how the numbers look

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Speaker 1: in the wake of what happened in New Hampshire, her

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Speaker 1: internal polling, what they suggest about South Carolina. I suspect

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Speaker 1: that she will come to the conclusion that we have

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Speaker 1: already reached, and that many of you have reached, that

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Speaker 1: there is no pathway to allow her to become the victor.

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Speaker 1: And we've already started on this show, and we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to take your calls eight hundred two two eight A

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Speaker 1: two talking about what Trump needs to do to win. Now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of you out there aren't making that pivot,

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Speaker 1: and this is important. We understand that a huge percentage

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Speaker 1: of you are died in the wall.

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Speaker 2: You're going to go vote for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Also, a lot of you you are still upset Ron

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Speaker 1: Desantas supporters, and some of you are upset Nicki Haley supporters.

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Speaker 1: We are already trying to focus on how do you

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Speaker 1: win the race? And I got people buck you were

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Speaker 1: saying out producer ally, I loved it. It's like, oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, we can't even keep up with all the reaction.

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Speaker 1: People are fired up at my suggestion that Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: would make it more likely that Trump wins the general election.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent true. Some of you

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Speaker 1: out there like I would never vote, Yes, you would,

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Speaker 1: all right. I don't buy into the anytime you say, like.

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Speaker 3: The more you guys rage email about this, the more

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Speaker 3: Clay is gonna double and triple and quadruple down to see.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think people have to be adults and

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Speaker 1: whenever somebody says, if X happens, I'll do why it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of social media so much buck How many

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Speaker 1: people did we hear say if Trump wins, the left wingers,

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Speaker 1: if Trump wins in twenty sixteen, I'm moving to Canada.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody actually move to Canada? Did any of those

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Speaker 1: people active on Twitter or the people who get on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and say Elon Musk did X, I'm never gonna

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Speaker 1: stay on here and talk anymore. I'm leaving And then

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Speaker 1: like six hours later they meekly come back and they

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Speaker 1: can't quit. People are not going to stay home based

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Speaker 1: on who Trump picks as his VP. I mean, in

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Speaker 1: the base, you're gonna show up, you're gonna vote, You're

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Speaker 1: lying to yourself, you're trying to get This reminds me

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Speaker 1: of my wife.

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Speaker 2: Buck. I don't know if this happens with Carrie. You're

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Speaker 2: newly married.

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Speaker 1: Every now and then my wife goes shopping somewhere and

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Speaker 1: she has a bad experience. I bet almost every man

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Speaker 1: has had this experience happen in their life. My wife

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Speaker 1: gets back in the car, she slams the door. She's like,

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Speaker 1: I am never going to Target again. I'm never flying

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Speaker 1: Delta Airlines again.

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Speaker 2: They did this, they did that.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, meekly like, is that a Target?

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Speaker 1: I just sorry, I thought I just saw a Target bag.

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Speaker 1: You told me that you were never In her defense,

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Speaker 1: I have said before I'm never going to another Titans

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Speaker 1: Colts game.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, did this makes all the time?

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Speaker 3: Carrie approaches going to Costco the way like super fans

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Speaker 3: of the SEC approach going to the game on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: There they are all in.

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Speaker 3: She is ready to go, she plans it out, she

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Speaker 3: about those deals she's going to get at Costco.

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Speaker 2: I love Costco.

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, every Mary, if you've been married

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Speaker 1: Some product, that she will never buy it again, that

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Speaker 1: see that product make an appearance again, and you think

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Speaker 1: the anger that she once had towards that product going

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Speaker 1: emotional reaction that she had to that one shopping experience

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Speaker 1: or a return experience trying to take a product back,

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily going to apply going forward. I just

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Speaker 1: I just will point that out, And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the way that a lot of you.

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Speaker 2: Are reacting now. So I'm already beyond that, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to worry about very very small I

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Speaker 3: think it's some folks are very fired up and passionate,

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Speaker 3: and we can respect that. But I think a vast

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Speaker 3: majority of people listening are like, I think you're Trump nominee.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get our heads in the game.

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Speaker 1: So then the question becomes what should Trump do to

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Speaker 1: pick a VP? And I want to circle back to

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Speaker 1: what we said right as we finished the last segment,

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Speaker 1: Kamala is I think everybody out there listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now would agree a uniquely awful choice as vice president.

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Speaker 1: And the story that is out there that is circulating now,

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Speaker 1: Trump has an opportunity to pick someone who could fillay

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris in the VP debate, which will have more

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Speaker 1: significance if it's Trump Biden, because you would have eighty

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Speaker 1: they're both one termers. This would be the most consequential

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Speaker 2: Reports are now that are out there, Buck and.

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Speaker 1: I tease this that Biden didn't want to take Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris because he didn't think she was up to the job,

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Speaker 1: and that Barack Obama pitched her as the right choice.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a there's a book out Charlie Spearing, who's

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Speaker 3: a he's one of us.

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Speaker 2: He was a.

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Speaker 3: Washington Examiner reporter and I think he worked at Breitbart

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Speaker 3: So we'll have to have him on Amateur Hour, which

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Speaker 3: is Kamala Harris in the White House. And this is

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Speaker 3: where these stories are coming from. That Obama. Look, we've said,

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Speaker 3: we've been saying this the hand of Obama in so

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Speaker 3: many of these Biden White House decisions, particularly on personnel,

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Speaker 2: I mean, as I did.

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Speaker 3: I came into media in the Obama era, right, you

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Speaker 3: can see that there's a lot of Obama influence on this.

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Speaker 3: But what's interesting to me is, you know, now you

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Speaker 3: I believe that people would be talking about this because

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Speaker 3: have thought this through more, They should have a better

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Speaker 3: ready to go VP. Although this would be simple, right,

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Speaker 3: and that Joe Biden, given his age and obvious infirmity,

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Speaker 3: The reason that there's all these conversations about what else

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way to make the case

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Speaker 3: is there's something particularly particularly amazing about that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yes, of course, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Now he is after not supporting his VP to run

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Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, eight years of loyal Biden service, the

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Speaker 3: single most important decision that Biden made in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: in that election cycle, he may have gotten horrifically wrong

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Speaker 3: because of Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's some justice in this. And the

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Speaker 1: report is that he was going to take Gretchen Whitmer. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think Gretchen Whitmer.

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Speaker 3: Would be a more Gretchen Whitmer would be a far

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it'd be close.

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Speaker 3: And he wrote what I mean, just to be clear,

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Speaker 3: close in terms of Kamala versus Whitmer and how those

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Speaker 1: If you looked at the Detroit Detroit News, remember we

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Speaker 1: talked about this poll, Trump is up eight on Biden

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Speaker 2: People said, oh, that's a rigged pole. Everything else.

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Speaker 1: The Detroit News poll showed that Gretchen Whitmer would be

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Speaker 1: argue that it's a rigged pole. It's just that Biden

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Speaker 1: is uniquely unpopular in Michigan right now. Gretchen Whitmer, I

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Speaker 1: think she's a disaster governor. We talked about this. She

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Speaker 1: got everything wrong on COVID.

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Speaker 3: Though she rushed our good friend Huter Dixon did not

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Speaker 3: make it close. Great podcast by the way, in the

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Speaker 3: clan Buck Network.

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Speaker 2: Go check it out. Yes, but it was too hard

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Speaker 2: at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Michigan Democrat Party far superior as an entity, more entrenched,

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Speaker 3: is interesting about this play is that you have the

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Speaker 3: pushing for Kamala Harris to be the VP. Those two

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Speaker 3: decisions together may be, when all said and done, two

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Speaker 1: Question for you, if that report is accurate and the

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Speaker 1: and Biden was inclined to pick Whitmer. Don't you think

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Speaker 1: that Biden would be stepping down and they'd be trying

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Speaker 3: No question in my mind, because that allows for the

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Speaker 3: full machinery of the incumbency to effectively be transferred to

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Speaker 3: part of the system. And you could say, look, Biden's age,

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Speaker 3: if Biden had step down at this point, if it

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Speaker 3: her take over. The Kamala issue is what makes this

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Speaker 3: if they do the trade out, if they decide that

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Speaker 3: it's going to be I got so many emails you

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Speaker 3: do this to me every time. Clay brings up Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 3: I get ten emails people. Claire's right, Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 2: Just we'll see smart point out.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this yesterday. I do think this is significant.

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Speaker 1: Number one, Trump obviously is favored right now over Biden.

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Speaker 2: The supply chain of Smarts, Sanity and Truth Uninterrupted. Clay

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Speaker 2: Travis and Buck Sexton, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Back, team. We're gonna be talking to Julie Kelly here

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Speaker 3: I gotta call in here. Rob in San Diego, agreeing.

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Speaker 2: With I can say, agreeing with Trump, agreeing with Clay

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Speaker 2: that Trump should pick Nicky Haley. What's going on? Rob?

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Speaker 5: My point is that there are only two vallid long

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Speaker 3: Rob, Thank you, Clay. What's your sense of Rob's. I

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Speaker 1: Look what they are going to think about what Democrats

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Speaker 2: Joined now by.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Julie Kelly, who is doing fabulous work on

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Speaker 1: all the jan six related cases and also try backing

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Speaker 1: off the top here, Julie, we're sitting end of January

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Speaker 2: The start of that trial date.

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Speaker 1: It's very fair to say there's no way we're starting

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Speaker 2: When do you think that trial might happen?

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Speaker 1: And are you starting to think that New York City

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Speaker 4: Right, So this March fourth trial date, there's no conceivable

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Speaker 4: So if all these things kind of in flux. But look,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you, Marrick Garland made it very clear in

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Speaker 4: I believe that she would.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, Julie, I know there's so many moving

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Speaker 2: But you know, right.

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Speaker 3: Now, based on the timelines, the motions, the decisions that

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Of the four criminal trials, how would you each one

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Speaker 4: Sure, So my guess would be the Classified Document's trial.

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Speaker 4: Judge Aileen Cannon there has been very skeptical of Jacksmith

440
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Speaker 4: and DJ's handling of this case. She is the one

441
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Speaker 4: that suspended a lot of the deadlines. Back in November.

442
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Speaker 4: She was saying that there was no way the March

443
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Speaker 4: fourth trial in DC would be finished in time to

444
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Speaker 4: prepare for the May twentieth trial date. There's going to

445
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Speaker 4: be hearing in her courtroom on March first, where we

446
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: are going to get to watch Special Counsel Jacksmith's team

447
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 4: Jay Bratt go to Judge Cannon and explain why that

448
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Speaker 4: trial is on hold. So my guess is this Classified

449
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Speaker 4: Documents case might never go to trial, especially if Donald

450
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Speaker 4: Trump wins. She has been very skeptical and now I

451
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Speaker 4: don't know she won't push a May twentieth trial date.

452
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Speaker 4: They're not even close to being ready to take that trial.

453
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Speaker 4: So do they really want Alvin Bragg's case to be

454
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Speaker 4: first out of these four criminal prosecutions, I doubt it.

455
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: Fanny Willis, we know in Fulton County, is already in

456
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Speaker 4: a lot of trouble scandal enveloping her prosecution and the

457
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Speaker 4: hiring of her lover, Nathan Wade. So my guess is

458
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 4: still that if you had to bet that the DC

459
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Speaker 4: trial with Judge chuck Kin and this four account indictment

460
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Speaker 4: by Jack Smith, that is still probably the most likely

461
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Speaker 4: case to go to trial before the election.

462
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Speaker 1: And that would be wild, Julie, because as you just said,

463
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Speaker 1: and as you're breaking down, I actually think they may

464
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Speaker 1: not be able to start this till after July fourth,

465
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Speaker 1: because I think it's going to be hard to depending

466
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Speaker 1: on when the Supreme Court ruling comes down on As

467
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Speaker 1: you have mentioned, one half of the four charges that

468
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Speaker 1: Jack Smith has brought so far could potentially be tossed

469
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Speaker 1: out as not able to be prosecuted, right, So I

470
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Speaker 1: think starting a trial with half of your charges potentially

471
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Speaker 1: tossed before you even maybe finish in the.

472
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Speaker 2: Trial would be crazy.

473
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Speaker 1: And that could mean if I'm right that we're talking

474
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Speaker 1: about them trying to do a trial right in the

475
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Speaker 1: middle of a legitimate presidential campaign right even during the

476
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Speaker 1: primary is ridiculous. But to do it in July and

477
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Speaker 1: August leading into the twenty twenty four election is beyond insane.

478
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Speaker 4: It is and to your point, just to clarify what

479
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Speaker 4: you're talking about, because this is really important and this

480
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: could impact Jacksonith's case in DC more than the presidential

481
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: immunity issue, and that is the Supreme Court reviewing the

482
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Speaker 4: DOJ's application of fifteen twelve C to two obstruction of

483
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Speaker 4: an official proceeding. This is the felony that's been slapped

484
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: against more than three hundred January sixth defendants, but also

485
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 4: represents two of the four accounts in Jacksmith's J six's

486
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty election criminal indictment. The Supreme Court has already

487
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Speaker 4: granted search in that we're expecting oral arguments in March April,

488
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Speaker 4: and we should get a good sense and by the

489
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Speaker 4: time when we're hearing how the Supreme Court is handling this,

490
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Speaker 4: whether they are poised to overturn how DOJ has intentionally

491
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Speaker 4: misinterpreted this post en rhyn evidence tampering statute to criminalize

492
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Speaker 4: political dissent. So we already know that four justices agreed

493
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Speaker 4: to grant cert in this case, meaning they want to

494
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Speaker 4: review what the appellate court did, which was basically uphold

495
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Speaker 4: how DOJ has been using it. But if they do

496
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Speaker 4: reverse the appellate court and say that DOJ has not

497
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Speaker 4: properly interpreted either the spirit, the letter, the language of

498
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Speaker 4: this law, that will be devastating to Jacksonth's case and

499
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Speaker 4: really the heart of the Department of Justice's ongoing January

500
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Speaker 4: sixth criminal prosecution. So that's a big one to watch.

501
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Speaker 4: So that just kind of adds to all these moving

502
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Speaker 4: parts and influx. So then what does Jack Smith do

503
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Speaker 4: if he is picking up signals from the Supreme Court

504
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Speaker 4: that they are going to reverse how DOJ is using

505
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: obstruction of an official proceeding. Will he move forward in

506
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: a DC trial with two other really vague counts, conspiracy

507
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: to defraud the United States and conspiracy to deny the

508
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Speaker 4: rights of individuals? I mean, that's even fuzzier than the

509
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Speaker 4: obstruction count. Will he bring it an additional indictment or

510
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 4: will he just take his losses and try to put

511
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: all his eggs in the classified documents case. I doubt

512
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 4: that too, because he does not have a friendly judge

513
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: and Judge Aman Cannon in southern Florida quite the opposite

514
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: of what he's dealing with in Washington. So we'll see

515
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: what the Supreme Court does. That'll be a big signal.

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Speaker 2: Reuly, just one more thing.

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Speaker 3: You've had a lot of contact with January sixth defendants

518
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: and their families. Do you have any sense from I

519
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: mean now that it looks like Trump is the Republican nominee.

520
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if you can give us a little

521
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Speaker 3: bit of are some of these individuals who have been

522
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Speaker 3: handed extremely severe prison sentences, are they already thinking I

523
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: might have my freedom back in one year if Donald

524
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: Trump wins them.

525
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Speaker 2: Does that come up at all? Do you hear that

526
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: from the families? It does.

527
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Speaker 4: I mean, they are very hopeful. And that's why you

528
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: see a lot of January sixth defendants and their families

529
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: backing Donald Trump because they really believe he is their

530
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: only hope for exoneration. And I will tell you on

531
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Speaker 4: thefteen twelve count you already have judges who are delaying

532
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Speaker 4: sentences and in some cases, defense attorneys are coming back

533
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Speaker 4: and asking for release of their defendants on a conviction

534
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Speaker 4: or plea For fifteen twelve, So it's already having an

535
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Speaker 4: impact that. Yes, they are very hopeful. They believe their

536
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Speaker 4: only chance of freedom exgeneration clearing their name and getting

537
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Speaker 4: the truth about January sixth is if Donald Trump is

538
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Speaker 4: elected in November.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that truth about January sixth, you put out

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Speaker 1: the story about the possibility of these videos or these

541
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Speaker 1: documents being wiped clean, and they're trying on the January

542
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Speaker 1: sixth Committee to keep them from being recovered.

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Speaker 2: What do you know about that story and what is

544
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Speaker 2: the impact.

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Speaker 4: It's just another example of Benny Thompson and Nancy Pelosi's

546
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Speaker 4: January sixth Select Committee destroying and concealing evidence, not just

547
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: from the public but from House Republicans who are entitled

548
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: to all of the evidence. Four terabytes were told of

549
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Speaker 4: evidence produced and collected by this committee. So this was

550
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: just the latest revelation from Representative Barry Laudermilk, who is

551
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Speaker 4: basically investigating the January sixth Select Committee and trying to

552
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: collect all of this evidence, which we already know has

553
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: not just been buried and destroyed by Benny Thompson, but

554
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: some key transcripts are now buried at the Joe Biden

555
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Speaker 4: White House, and those relate to Secret Service records transcripts

556
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Speaker 4: with Secret Service agents, and we still can't get our

557
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: eyes on that either. This also speaking of obstruction of

558
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Speaker 4: an official proceeding, This also represents hiding potentially sculpatory evidence

559
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: from January sixth defendants, including Donald Trump, by this investigation,

560
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561
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Speaker 4: collected this committee that could be used potentially as exculpatory

562
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Speaker 4: evidence in ongoing criminal procedures. This is a crime in

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Speaker 3: of course the twenty twenty four election. Julie, thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for being with us. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Turned fifty yesterday? Any idea what famous person turned fifty

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Speaker 1: years old yesterday? I got a decent amount of attention.

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Speaker 1: turned fifty years old yesterday.

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Speaker 2: For any of you out there around our.

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Speaker 1: Age, I would say probably within like a twenty year

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Speaker 1: range of us. Kelly Kopowski aka Tiffany amber Theeson was

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Speaker 1: on Save by the Bell later on nine two.

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Speaker 3: She was my second. My second TV crush was Kelly Kapowski.

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Speaker 3: First was probably Aunt Becky on Full House, so big

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Speaker 1: Aunt Becky was good. I confess this because it looks

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Speaker 1: way worse now. My first television crush was Alyssa Milano

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Speaker 1: on Who's the Boss mm, but we did not know.

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Speaker 3: gun control and Clay I will have you know, sadly

646
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Speaker 3: she did not like me.

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Speaker 2: Does it Well, that doesn't shock me at all? Nope?

648
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Speaker 2: Can Uh? Does it make you feel old?

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Speaker 1: Because it made me feel old that Tiffany amber Thiessen

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Speaker 1: is now fifty, Like I mean, I look, she does

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Speaker 1: look great for fifty. I think she double dipped on

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Oh h she was. She was kind of a late

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Speaker 2: addition to nine on two and oh World to Fire.

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Speaker 1: Recall, Yeah, after Shannon Doherty's Brenda Walsh character.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about experts on TV shows, I

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Speaker 3: was always team Jenny Garth. I was not a Brenda

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Speaker 3: Walsh person on that show, just ef. I liked them both.

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Speaker 3: I was not making a choice between the two. But

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Speaker 3: I think I like Jenny Garth a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: My wife has probably watched every Beverly Hills nine O

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Speaker 3: two one zero episode four times. I mean, she knows

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Speaker 3: everything about that entire show I got to meet. It's

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Speaker 3: rare that I get starstruck.

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Speaker 1: I met Zach Morris, Mark Paul Gossler and from Saved

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Speaker 1: by the Bell. I was absolutely starstruck to meet him.

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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't believe that I was getting to meet

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Speaker 1: Zach Morris. Well, it's funny because you know, we've like

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Speaker 1: talked to presidents and stuff. You get older and you're

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Speaker 1: operating this world, but your.

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Speaker 3: Childhood heroes or your childhood favorites, even in twenty thirty

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Speaker 3: years later, when you meet them and you know you're

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Speaker 3: all older and everything else, there's still something a little

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Speaker 3: a little special about that, you know.

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Speaker 1: I will point out when we had Kurt Cameron in

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Speaker 1: studio producer, Ali dressed up way more than she usually

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Speaker 1: does for Kirk Cameron aka Mike Seaver from Growing Pains.

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Speaker 1: What was that, like six weeks ago or so that

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Speaker 1: we had him in the New York City studios. I

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Speaker 1: noticed that Ali was super dressed up. It's like she

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Speaker 1: had a prom to go to or something. She didn't

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Speaker 1: dress up for me, She didn't dress up for you.

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Speaker 1: She dressed up for Kirk Cameron, and now she's saying

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Speaker 1: that she actually likes Ricky Schrader better. Ali, I mean

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Speaker 1: that is just Kirk. Cameron is gonna be crushed, but

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Speaker 1: he was pretty fantastic. Happy fiftieth birthday, Tiffany amberthisa and

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Speaker 1: unlike my first television crush, Alyssa Milano, you so far

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Speaker 1: as we know, have not gone crazy.

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Speaker 2: The Solana's a conger