Speaker 1: It wouldn't take too much to take that whole infrastructure down,
Speaker 1: with the grids being the lynchpin. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to explain it other than
Speaker 1: to explain it. Get an email. Email leads to an
Speaker 1: exchange that says, I need you to fly to this airport.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the airport because I've been uh
Speaker 1: entrusted to not say the airport. Fly to the airport,
Speaker 1: Await further instructions. Awaiting further instructions, get a text, get
Speaker 1: a rental car, drive out, two hours in the wrong direction,
Speaker 1: my fault, drive back, get to another location, get bounced
Speaker 1: to a second location, and eventually find myself on a
Speaker 1: rural country road, stopping in front of a gate with
Speaker 1: no single markers at all. Where am I? I'm at
Speaker 1: an undisclosed mountain readoubt for James Wesley Comma rawls. We're
Speaker 1: going to the name thing later, head of a survival movement,
Speaker 1: what they call the American Readoubt. Former Army intelligence officer
Speaker 1: and a guy who's got a predistinct stance. I'm becoming apocalypse,
Speaker 1: all right. So usually I can tell you simple things
Speaker 1: like where I am, how I got there, can't do
Speaker 1: any of that. What I can do is tell you
Speaker 1: who I'm with, and who I'm with very specifically, is
Speaker 1: a guy named James Wesley Rawls, or as his books
Speaker 1: like to call him, James Wesley Comma Rawles. So you
Speaker 1: have to pause before the roles. So first of all,
Speaker 1: why the comma in the name? Why James Wesley Comma Rawles. Okay,
Speaker 1: the comma distinguishes between the given name and the family name. Okay. Well, mostly,
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of books on the New York
Speaker 1: Times bestseller list, and these would be well the Patriots
Speaker 1: novel series, starting with Patriots and then Survivors and Founders
Speaker 1: are what are the what are the books about the Patriots?
Speaker 1: We're here? The Patriots novel series is a post apocalyptic
Speaker 1: novel series set in the near future UH describing a
Speaker 1: full scale socio economic collapse and the adventures of a
Speaker 1: large number of people all over the country living through
Speaker 1: those turbulent years. What I find interesting about this is
Speaker 1: that it's a social collapse. It's a socio economic collapse,
Speaker 1: Whereas if you had written these books ten or fifteen
Speaker 1: years earlier, twenty years earlier, it would have been a
Speaker 1: nuclear war, you know, it would be some kind of
Speaker 1: kerfuffle with another foreign national. What happens to cause the
Speaker 1: real trigger is the U S national debt and the
Speaker 1: compounding interest on that debt, and the growing reliance of
Speaker 1: the federal government on foreign creditors to keep financing that debt.
Speaker 1: Right now, the national debt takes up as much of
Speaker 1: the national budget as national defense. Just interest on the
Speaker 1: national debt is now nearly as much as the entire
Speaker 1: defense budget. I think the chances are that we are
Speaker 1: already living in what people in prepper circles referred to
Speaker 1: as a slow slide scenario. What we're seeing in our
Speaker 1: current economy is a false sense of prosperity that's driven
Speaker 1: by debt. The the level of indebtedness public and private
Speaker 1: has essentially tripled in the last twenty years. And it's
Speaker 1: that it's an injection of basically cheap money or free
Speaker 1: money that's perpetuating the stock market. It's it's pushing along
Speaker 1: governments at all levels, and it's providing the money for
Speaker 1: the welfare state and a lot of other things that
Speaker 1: are just chugging along. So the premise of the novel
Speaker 1: is that foreign creditors at some point have a Emperor
Speaker 1: Song Squirts moment and realize they're never conna be able
Speaker 1: to pay this back. So, uh, it causes a collapse
Speaker 1: in the US dollar on the for X, it causes
Speaker 1: a stock market collapse, and then a full scale route
Speaker 1: on the US dollar itself where it basically becomes worthless
Speaker 1: over the course of just a few weeks. It becomes
Speaker 1: worthless in international perspective and also domestically hyperinflates because of
Speaker 1: the international perspective, right, right, Because I've often thought at
Speaker 1: times that you know that if if the US, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna be run like a mafia crime family at
Speaker 1: a certain point, that the U s would say about
Speaker 1: all of this debt, you know what, I'm not paying.
Speaker 1: But if I get about trying to pay, I'm actually
Speaker 1: not paying you, you know. So, as Tony Soprano once famous,
Speaker 1: like sad though serious is what happens. If you don't
Speaker 1: pay them, you gotta pay, and unfortunately foreign creditors have
Speaker 1: to be paid, and if the currency unit itself falls apart,
Speaker 1: and then you're in okay. So this is the premise
Speaker 1: of the series, but you've gone beyond that, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is a case of you know, walking
Speaker 1: it like you talking. That's why we can't tell people
Speaker 1: where we are. And I live at a very remote
Speaker 1: location in the inland Northwest. I can't say what state
Speaker 1: I live in. And uh, we live a very quiet life,
Speaker 1: surrounding by national forest and very pretty area. And we're
Speaker 1: we homeschool our kids. We live fairly self sufficiently. We
Speaker 1: garden for most of our produce. We hunt, we fish,
Speaker 1: we raise livestock. It's a fairly self sufficient lifestyle. So
Speaker 1: I do kind of walk the walk. Um, So, now,
Speaker 1: where did you go to high school? Because I've often
Speaker 1: said that people are from where they went to high school.
Speaker 1: I went to Livermore High School in Livermore callis count Livermore, California,
Speaker 1: which is an Alameda county, right down the road from
Speaker 1: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. My dad worked at the lab.
Speaker 1: Most of the kids I grew up with worked at
Speaker 1: the lab. Their parents worked at the lab. And it
Speaker 1: was an interesting place to grow up because we have
Speaker 1: the largest number of bomb shelters per capita of any
Speaker 1: city in the United States. And all the kids I
Speaker 1: grew up with were either the children of people who
Speaker 1: designed nuclear weapons, or worked in other programs at Lawrence Labs.
Speaker 1: My dad was a nuclear um program manager uh in
Speaker 1: be division of the lab. He actually worked with cyclotrons
Speaker 1: and linear accelerators and worked in experimental physics. And they
Speaker 1: called pure research applied physics at the laboratory means you're
Speaker 1: designing nuclear weapons. So, now did this influence your decision
Speaker 1: at all to go into the military. My dad had
Speaker 1: been an Air Force instructure pilots in T three threes
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen fifties, back Korean War vintage. So
Speaker 1: I thought, well, uncle in the army intelligence sounded interesting.
Speaker 1: I had interest in foreign language, interest in you know,
Speaker 1: foreign affairs, and uh, the intelligence field really gave me
Speaker 1: a chance to delve into that. I was involved with
Speaker 1: some unclassified country studies. Somebody might deduce from giving your
Speaker 1: your initial professional calling that your miss on saying is
Speaker 1: informed in a way that it wouldn't be if I
Speaker 1: was doing it. Yeah, I think it gave me a
Speaker 1: different perspective the country studies I was involved in. One
Speaker 1: of the things we're looking at was economic stability. After
Speaker 1: doing all those country studies on Eastern Europe and and
Speaker 1: and watching you know, hyper inflation with the replacement of
Speaker 1: the shekel by the new Israeli shekel, knocking three zeros
Speaker 1: off the currency, and having read about the same thing
Speaker 1: happening in Greece and uh, later on I saw the
Speaker 1: same thing happen in Zimbabwe. Uh. That kind of perspective
Speaker 1: made me realize that we're standing on pretty uncertain ground
Speaker 1: here in the United States with the level of indebtedness
Speaker 1: that we have. It does seem like if Trump's objective
Speaker 1: is to reduce the size of the deficit, the tax
Speaker 1: the corporate tax cuts, though they might have been live
Speaker 1: in business, seems to they're not helping if that's where
Speaker 1: they're not happening with the bottom line. And unfortunately, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, a long term obligation and things like social
Speaker 1: security and military pensions, federal government pensions, those long term
Speaker 1: obligations don't They are not even figured in the twenty
Speaker 1: one trillion dollar national debt. If you count them those
Speaker 1: long term unfunded obligations into the debt, it's actually more
Speaker 1: like a sixty trillion dollar debt, which is three times
Speaker 1: the gross national product. So what happened to these other
Speaker 1: countries the country's named Zimbabwe, um well in Israel, in
Speaker 1: recent Israel, they were able to kind of dig themselves
Speaker 1: out of the hole because they had strong economies. In
Speaker 1: the case of Zimbabwe, where you had comrade Mugabi who
Speaker 1: was and his cronies who were systematically looting the country,
Speaker 1: there was no way out. They had to They basically
Speaker 1: destroyed the dollar. They went all the way up to
Speaker 1: printing one trillion dollar bills and then they completely repudiated
Speaker 1: and now they use the South African rand and U
Speaker 1: S dollars. Okay, So that's an economic collapse, but that's
Speaker 1: not a socio collapse, right right. The logical jump in
Speaker 1: a modern technologically connected society is that we have a
Speaker 1: society with incredibly long chains of supply, a relatively fragile
Speaker 1: power grid infrastructure. We have three grids, the Western grid,
Speaker 1: the Eastern grid of the Texas grid, and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: take too much to take that whole infrastructure down, with
Speaker 1: the grids being the lynch pin. And what I posited
Speaker 1: in the novel series was that if you have an
Speaker 1: economic collapse and then you have rioting in the big cities,
Speaker 1: all those nuclear power plants have to go offline. They
Speaker 1: have to scram the piles of those plants and shut
Speaker 1: those plants down if they don't have a certain level
Speaker 1: of staffing by law, If you don't have people to
Speaker 1: handle the equipment, it's not going to happen. You mentioned
Speaker 1: three countries to head and collapse, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: full scale riots. Why why Why? Here in America, it's
Speaker 1: awfully easy to get along with what you've never had.
Speaker 1: In a country like Zimbabwe, people were already used to
Speaker 1: living at a at an agrarian level. In America, we
Speaker 1: are so far removed from our agrarian ancestors, it's not
Speaker 1: even funny. In the nineteen thirties when they had the
Speaker 1: depression of the nineteen thirties, think the society still held
Speaker 1: together because of the families were still living off the land.
Speaker 1: They were still actively and engaged in farming, fishing, ranching, mining,
Speaker 1: They were they were connected to the land. And today
Speaker 1: only one percent of the population is feeding the other
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't take very much disruption to basically break
Speaker 1: the food chain. And because I'm in an isolated area,
Speaker 1: it's so far removed from major metropolitan areas, I think
Speaker 1: that the majority of the problems are going to be
Speaker 1: in those major your metro areas. Since we're more than
Speaker 1: a tank of gas away from the nearest major metro area.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see many problems here.
Speaker 1: The grid may be down, although thankfully in the Northern
Speaker 1: Rockies most of our power is it's hydro electric. In fact,
Speaker 1: we actually export power. So did that inform your decision,
Speaker 1: did you? Yes? Absolutely, Yeah, the grid is going to
Speaker 1: be reconstituted anywhere, it will be in hydro electric areas. First, now,
Speaker 1: you've fashioned in a very real way of a lifestyle,
Speaker 1: but you also have done something that you know, you've
Speaker 1: had children, and these are these are kind of uh,
Speaker 1: what do you call free radicals kids? They decide what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do, They're gonna you know, at a certain point,
Speaker 1: they're free range kids, free range kids. So now have
Speaker 1: they have they followed suit? Or are they? Most of
Speaker 1: them are prepper oriented and some of them are in
Speaker 1: cities or am I right? Yeah? Well one one is
Speaker 1: living in a major city in Asia right now. So
Speaker 1: that that was a you know, a choice to pursue
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a missionary. So it's there's choices
Speaker 1: and trade offs for everyone. I'm pleased to see though
Speaker 1: that the majority of My kids have pretty well followed
Speaker 1: in my footsteps. They're all very pro gun, very pro preparedness,
Speaker 1: and basically pro self sufficiency in terms of the way
Speaker 1: they you know, they all have an interest in gardening
Speaker 1: and you raising livestock, that sort of thing. How does
Speaker 1: how does I mean if you live in the city,
Speaker 1: you have an interest, but you can well, you know,
Speaker 1: even if you live, even in an apartment, you can
Speaker 1: have a window box garden and growth sprouts, and even
Speaker 1: so w living in a suburban house on a quarter
Speaker 1: acre a lot can have a pretty efficient vegetable garden.
Speaker 1: Now these and keep rabbits or chickens are these? Are
Speaker 1: these ideas form M in a much more major way
Speaker 1: as a result of having been an intelligence officer. Or
Speaker 1: are they informed by um religion? Or is it partly religion?
Speaker 1: You know, because I you know, I take the Old
Speaker 1: Testament pretty seriously, and you know, man's supposed to care
Speaker 1: for his own family and provide for his family. But
Speaker 1: I think more of it more than my intelligence background.
Speaker 1: It goes back to the pioneering side of my family.
Speaker 1: We settled in a remote area. It's even so kind
Speaker 1: of remote, the Anderson Valley of medicine Mendicino County, California
Speaker 1: in the eighteen fifties, and they had a six thousand
Speaker 1: acre sheep branch and did just about everything themselves. The
Speaker 1: only thing they would buy when they would sell their
Speaker 1: wool each year and sell mutton was salt, sugar and tea.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing they had to buy. Everything else
Speaker 1: they produced for themselves. But they were not similarly informed
Speaker 1: by this idea that it was necessary to do this. You, No,
Speaker 1: it was just that was just the culture at the time.
Speaker 1: They were worried about the fragility of society like I am,
Speaker 1: but the same money, the same self sufficient mindset I
Speaker 1: think really pervades every style of my body. But but
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wondering, is this driven by you know,
Speaker 1: end time signals are less that and more that. Look,
Speaker 1: I've actually spent my time analyzing what happens to states
Speaker 1: that are failing and that fail, and I'm seeing signs
Speaker 1: and i gotta respond to Yes, it's definitely more of
Speaker 1: the latter than the former, because I wonder. I mean,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, you might say, there I just
Speaker 1: did a piece on the nineteen seventy seven blackout in
Speaker 1: New York. And the point that I want people to
Speaker 1: get to is, you know what happened in July seven?
Speaker 1: The whites one out. That's it. Actually people were fairly civil. No, no,
Speaker 1: they were civil ninetive the first one. It was sivil.
Speaker 1: If they were too there were three. There was one
Speaker 1: before seventy seven, and it was one after seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Seventy seven was a perfect storm where the Vietnam War
Speaker 1: hit ended a few years earlier. Okay, the Vets were
Speaker 1: coming back to the city suffering from what we didn't
Speaker 1: know was PTS T at the time Nixon resigned a
Speaker 1: few years earlier. Ford had just told New York City
Speaker 1: to drop dead. I'm not You're gonna bankrupt yourself. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was an interest RCE for sil Sky High. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so the lights went out. I was watching Boretta
Speaker 1: at the time. I remember this, and I kind of
Speaker 1: red and whatever. My mom's no, you could come back
Speaker 1: in the holes and people went for Over four thousand
Speaker 1: people were arrested. Over five of the cops were hurt.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that bad. A special uh,
Speaker 1: a guy I know who's another intelligence guy, especially for
Speaker 1: the guy who then contracts out to like black Water,
Speaker 1: and he got called to New Orleans after Katrina, uh,
Speaker 1: property protection, and he was like organized gangs. You know,
Speaker 1: they show you in the news people stealing pampers. That's
Speaker 1: not it. The banks were people came in with fork cliffs. Uh,
Speaker 1: those big auto transports of going up to dealerships and
Speaker 1: there are guys would we pull up? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: The guys pull guns on us. We pull guns on
Speaker 1: them and our medals, you know. So it's clear that
Speaker 1: the people, I mean, he wasn't gonna say this, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it now, but all they say,
Speaker 1: you know, how much money was lost doing the right?
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that was people seeing an
Speaker 1: opportunity and embracing it. It wouldn't take too much to
Speaker 1: cause a total break. And if we get to the
Speaker 1: point where the power grids go down and don't come
Speaker 1: back up for two months, especially if it happens in
Speaker 1: the winter, I'm not sure if they're going to come
Speaker 1: back up for years. And that was the basic scenario
Speaker 1: for patriots. So now, so you've got a book out,
Speaker 1: but then you also in a parallel path that you
Speaker 1: start a website. Right, I did a starting the blog
Speaker 1: in two thousand five called Survival Blog. It's it's a
Speaker 1: very popular blog on family preparedness, and we cover pretty
Speaker 1: much every aspect of preparedness, whether it's food storage, communications, equipment,
Speaker 1: first aid, water filtration, gardening, livestock, heating your own home
Speaker 1: with firewood, all those sort of topics. You know, I
Speaker 1: made the break to the hinterry bunnies, but I was
Speaker 1: only able to do that because I was self employed,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, most people can't do that. And a lot
Speaker 1: of what I'm doing and Survival Blog is coaching people
Speaker 1: on how they can survive in the suburbs, and that's
Speaker 1: where the majority of my readership still is. A lot
Speaker 1: of people want to move to the inland Northwest region
Speaker 1: that Merritt there that I refer to as the American readout,
Speaker 1: which consists of Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, and the east and
Speaker 1: half of Washington and the eastern half of Oregon. That's
Speaker 1: the area that I consider the most survivable. Why because
Speaker 1: it's all on hydropower and the population density is incredibly light.
Speaker 1: Those are the two main factors that and you know,
Speaker 1: there's quite a bit of agriculture, farming, ranching, mining. I
Speaker 1: think that the chances of that region pulling through are
Speaker 1: better than just about anywhere else in the lower forty
Speaker 1: eight States. What about the world worldwide? Boy, there, I
Speaker 1: think the Pacific island nations would probably have the best
Speaker 1: chance to reverting to at least the lightly populated islands
Speaker 1: would have the best chance to revert to traditional culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: places like Vandawatu. In places like that, where people are
Speaker 1: used to growing ploy, raising pigs, and fishing, they will
Speaker 1: still do it, at least the majority of them, or
Speaker 1: at least half their cousins do, so their chances of
Speaker 1: reverting to that level of technology are fairly high. And
Speaker 1: from a multigenerational standpoint, if we had we literally go
Speaker 1: into a second dark Age, I think that would actually
Speaker 1: be an even safer place than right here. Got degree
Speaker 1: in journalism. You're paying attention to reading the newspapers and
Speaker 1: processing this. How much? How does class factor into this?
Speaker 1: Do you see this being primarily a class struggle? Mainly
Speaker 1: class because I don't believe in the whole concept of race.
Speaker 1: There's only one race, the human race. Um From a
Speaker 1: class standpoint, that there is unfortunately now a dependent class,
Speaker 1: and those are people of all different skin tones, who
Speaker 1: are dependent on the system, and a lot of known
Speaker 1: even have real jobs. That level of dependency is a
Speaker 1: huge risk. The majority of it, though, I think is
Speaker 1: a distinct difference in the in people's outlook on the world.
Speaker 1: People are either directed toward part and home and the
Speaker 1: land or their technological or urbanite types who I think
Speaker 1: in abstract terms like the funny money that we carry
Speaker 1: around in our wallets. And if if you have a
Speaker 1: whole group and it's the majority of your population who
Speaker 1: lives at that level of abstraction and that little level
Speaker 1: of distance away from the land, those are the people
Speaker 1: who are the greatest risk. And those are the people
Speaker 1: that I have to say, I want to be the
Speaker 1: farthest away from I want to be living in the
Speaker 1: country with people who live fairly close to the land.
Speaker 1: I think those are the people all have the best
Speaker 1: chance of pulling through with because they're also producing their producers, right,
Speaker 1: they're also self sufficient relatively, yes, and at least if
Speaker 1: there if anyone has a chance of reverting to nineteenth
Speaker 1: century level technology, it's probably my neighbors. No, this isn't.
Speaker 1: I've got a friend who's a Trump, who was a
Speaker 1: Trump adherent and he says, you know one thing I
Speaker 1: really hate and getting a huge arguments over not politics,
Speaker 1: commute lane. So I'm gonna drive into commute lane whatever
Speaker 1: I'll pay, and I go, no, no, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 1: If everybody does what you do, that commute lane is
Speaker 1: just another lane. Right. If we are going to return
Speaker 1: to a closer relationship to the land, is clearly in
Speaker 1: a nation of three fifty million people that it's getting difficult.
Speaker 1: But I know that less than two or three percent
Speaker 1: of the population is even going to have an interest
Speaker 1: in getting back to the land. How do you know this, Well,
Speaker 1: just look at the demographics. The cities are getting bigger.
Speaker 1: At the plain states like the Dakotas are actually depopulating,
Speaker 1: so it's wyoming. People are still the general trend is
Speaker 1: still towards congregating in the big cities. Why because that's
Speaker 1: where the money is, and we we have a system
Speaker 1: that's dollar driven and that has a level of technological
Speaker 1: sophistication that's quite appealing to people because that's that's where
Speaker 1: the high paying jobs are, that's where the opportunity for
Speaker 1: advancement is, that's where the cultural centers are. And yet
Speaker 1: your sons found their spouses not here, but they had
Speaker 1: to go to large centers right. Well. Um, in the
Speaker 1: case of one of my children, uh yeah, he he
Speaker 1: met her at college. But she also happened to come
Speaker 1: from a prepper family and she also was homeschooled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they had a lot in common, so they gravitated together.
Speaker 1: Their goal is to in the long run, end out
Speaker 1: living as far from the big city as they can.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I feel comfortable letting the government
Speaker 1: off the hook. I still hold out some hope for
Speaker 1: the political process. And it's just difficult, though, in the
Speaker 1: century to objectively look at what's going on and say
Speaker 1: the chances are better than not that things are going
Speaker 1: to get that things are going to improve. I don't
Speaker 1: think we're on that side of the equation. What could
Speaker 1: or should the average person do who's listening in order
Speaker 1: to guarantee their continued safety in the future. There is
Speaker 1: no guarantee. But there is an actual aial equation which
Speaker 1: is and that is that from an actual aial standpoint,
Speaker 1: if I was an insurance actuary, I would say that
Speaker 1: if I was writing a policy for socioeconomic collapse, that
Speaker 1: policy would be really expensive for people live in the
Speaker 1: cities and really inexpensive for people in the low risk groups,
Speaker 1: and that would be the people who live out in
Speaker 1: the interboonis. So I would recommend that if people have
Speaker 1: the opportunity, if they're either at or near retirement age,
Speaker 1: or if they're self employed, or if they can develop
Speaker 1: a home based business and become self employed, that they
Speaker 1: do that and they develop not one, but two or
Speaker 1: three revenue streams. So if you're self employed, you would
Speaker 1: run two or three different businesses so that you could
Speaker 1: pull through all sorts of different economic times, and that
Speaker 1: would be your ticket to move to the Mooney's. And
Speaker 1: for most people, even those who hold fairly large mortgages,
Speaker 1: cashing out of a house in the big city, would
Speaker 1: buy a much larger house with a barn, with a
Speaker 1: greenhouse on large acreage where they can keep livestock in
Speaker 1: the country. But that just doesn't explained that why you
Speaker 1: home school to kids. That was more of a philosophical
Speaker 1: and religious thing, although just from a purely empirical standpoint,
Speaker 1: looking at test scores declining and then having them renorm
Speaker 1: the tests multiple times in the case to me that
Speaker 1: the public schools are a lost cause and I think
Speaker 1: that people, if they're serious about educating their children, should
Speaker 1: either educate themselves or they should have them in private schools.
Speaker 1: And I think that if people like Donald Trump were serious,
Speaker 1: they would have tutition tax credits that would allow people
Speaker 1: to take their kids out of public schools put them
Speaker 1: in private schools. Private private schools would then flourish, and
Speaker 1: eventually you could eliminate the whole public school system. Then
Speaker 1: where to poor people get their kids educated well? With
Speaker 1: tuition tax credits, they can they can go to private
Speaker 1: private schools to that's compelling. It's a compelling vision of
Speaker 1: the future. But you know, from the fifties through and
Speaker 1: now and so far as I've been paying attention, there's
Speaker 1: always been a specific, in particular vision of feature. There's
Speaker 1: very much like you as sure. If you go back
Speaker 1: to the bomb bomb shelter era of the early sixties,
Speaker 1: a lot of those people have the same outlook that
Speaker 1: I do. And they had a lot of the same
Speaker 1: goals like food storage and self sufficiency and moving to
Speaker 1: lightly populated areas those days they were worried about, you know,
Speaker 1: being out of fall followed areas that the same kind
Speaker 1: of mentality exists and I actually would like nothing better
Speaker 1: than to die peacefully in my bed and not having
Speaker 1: lived through a socio economic collapse, be able to say
Speaker 1: to myself, I lived a good life. I raised my
Speaker 1: children where I wanted to on my own terms, live
Speaker 1: the lifestyle I wanted. And I'm glad nothing happened. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm years old, so so far, so so far, so
Speaker 1: so good. And you know, back in the nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: I could remember, or even seventies. I can remember late
Speaker 1: seventies people were saying no trillion dollar national debt. Remember
Speaker 1: there was a you know, if if we reach a
Speaker 1: one trillion dollar level of debt indebtedness for the federal government,
Speaker 1: our society is going to collapse. Well now we're at
Speaker 1: twenty one trillion and counting. Things are hanging in there.
Speaker 1: I remember the drill baby drill thing, Sarah and their
Speaker 1: concerns about the pipeline oil spills. I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's every equation is going to have it's detracting factors.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm a big believer in American ingenuity,
Speaker 1: and we may be able to power through this. We
Speaker 1: may not have a socio economic collapse. But even if
Speaker 1: there's only a five percent chance of economic collapse. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be the guy who's the third guy
Speaker 1: in line. I don't want to be the guy who's
Speaker 1: sitting behind all the traffic trying to live the big
Speaker 1: cities when everything falls apart. I want to be the
Speaker 1: guy who's already living out my my chances are pulling
Speaker 1: through when we have gotten much higher. So, uh, do
Speaker 1: you convinced you're ready to join the movement? You know?
Speaker 1: I'm such an easy mark. I gotta work on it
Speaker 1: because I am sorry, but but but not quite yet.
Speaker 1: Next week, Next week we have Renee Wu born in Taiwan,
Speaker 1: got a pH d in chemistry, worked at a major
Speaker 1: high tech corporation doing stuff that it would roast your
Speaker 1: brain to to think about. One day, stood up at
Speaker 1: work said fuck this, I'm out. Became world champion pole dancer.
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