Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, wishes they were Barbara Sessler.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: Mom's name? Where did that come? It is? She also
Speaker 1: listens to the show um somewhat religiously, so she's going,
Speaker 1: that's gonna probably throw her for a loop as it
Speaker 1: did us and me to find somewhat religiously like lapsed. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to commit her
Speaker 1: to it. I think she listens to it a lot,
Speaker 1: like almost every show, Dan hands and I'm joined in
Speaker 1: her room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? I mean
Speaker 1: absolutely threw me for a loop because Ricky with the
Speaker 1: money drops we basically crowdsource it. Yes, so does that
Speaker 1: mean some stranger on Twitter? But but wait, you guys,
Speaker 1: just you guys, you guys just forgot. There was one
Speaker 1: episode like last month where Mark was like if I
Speaker 1: was a girl, if if I was Barbara Sessler, and
Speaker 1: people didn't know that that was your mom. It was
Speaker 1: like it sounded like you just came up with if
Speaker 1: you were a female, you would be Barbara Sessler. So
Speaker 1: it's like a call back to your own joke that
Speaker 1: you guys don't remember. Not a lot of Barbara's being
Speaker 1: born today being named Barbara. It's not a hot winds
Speaker 1: call it a hot, flaming hot name. At the moment,
Speaker 1: it was like you peaked in the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 1: Well grandmother was Barbara, not calling it peaked. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever met a Barbara that's
Speaker 1: under the age of forty. Honestly, I feel like it
Speaker 1: was removed as an option. I don't know why, Babs.
Speaker 1: I have a neighbor nicknames sort of like how Clary's
Speaker 1: going to be from men in the next any any
Speaker 1: Barber's I can think of where you know, on television
Speaker 1: or movies, and a while ago, you know what I say,
Speaker 1: bring back Barbara. I think it's a very nice It'll
Speaker 1: come back, Babs. They all come. They all come back eventually. Actually,
Speaker 1: my neighbor is a woman named Barbara. She's about seventy
Speaker 1: seventy five years old. She's lived in the same house
Speaker 1: since she was a girl, so she's been on my block.
Speaker 1: And she's also the kind of cliche older lady that's
Speaker 1: always looking out the window and knows everybody's business. So
Speaker 1: she's a great resource. So I always keep in touch
Speaker 1: with Babs. I call her Babs, and um, the first
Speaker 1: time I said it to her, said she went, oh my,
Speaker 1: no one has called me that many many Why does
Speaker 1: it not surprise me that you have already enlisted a
Speaker 1: spy for your name? Seriously, the name Barbara was the
Speaker 1: number two ranked name in the thirties and had an
Speaker 1: amazing run where it stayed in the top ten, uh
Speaker 1: until nineteen sixty. Now not even in the top n
Speaker 1: It's a versatile name, but I guess that that's not
Speaker 1: valued anyone taking a dirt nap. Save it for the
Speaker 1: Bab's podcast. All right, Um, welcome to the Thursday edition
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL podcast. Um, we have a
Speaker 1: very nice show for you, and I love any episode
Speaker 1: where we can interface with the listeners. Uh. That sounded
Speaker 1: a little clinical, but how about just communicate. That seems
Speaker 1: that's a little warmer. Share something together. Share, So there
Speaker 1: it is, share something together. So the mailbag makes us
Speaker 1: return in a nice job. Got some good queries, um
Speaker 1: this this time around, so we'll do that a little later. Also, Greg,
Speaker 1: you are you? You seem to be in good spirits
Speaker 1: and awake. But you've been up for a long time apparently,
Speaker 1: and it ties into our segment what we're getting up
Speaker 1: early for? What did you get up early for? I
Speaker 1: had there's some French open action that I was I
Speaker 1: was excited to watch, and uh got up around am
Speaker 1: a little later than I meant to, but you know,
Speaker 1: caught you know, the matchup, got it. Got it got
Speaker 1: me thinking sort of about Wes's passion for the Reds
Speaker 1: right now is inspiring that That's the other thing. Like
Speaker 1: he gets home from a night out, maybe he's had
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks or whatever. He knows the final
Speaker 1: score or he doesn't. He gets home at eleven PM,
Speaker 1: he watches the entire Reds game until two in the morning.
Speaker 1: That is a level of devotion. It's almost inspiring. But
Speaker 1: I feel that way about some of madness. I watched
Speaker 1: these games so I can have the film at my disposal,
Speaker 1: so in my mind I can make future moves that
Speaker 1: will make the Reds better, even though I have no
Speaker 1: power to make any moves for the rich and so
Speaker 1: you know, I I do that for a big Kandy
Speaker 1: Shikory matches, you know, in the Grand Slam What are
Speaker 1: the football What are the football things that are getting
Speaker 1: you up in the morning. It's been our job for
Speaker 1: a while here, but what still gets those juice flowing
Speaker 1: like a little kid? Now? I know you're a Red
Speaker 1: Sox fan, so you hate the Yankees. But do I
Speaker 1: inspire you that I watched like a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: Yankee games? Or is it only because West? I I
Speaker 1: know the answer to that question, and that's fair. Your
Speaker 1: Your fandom of the Yankees has been tried and true
Speaker 1: and consistent. I was just kind of blown up. These
Speaker 1: are easy to root for where the Reds are hard.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of blown away. Do you what?
Speaker 1: He gets home and he knows the score and then
Speaker 1: he starts at the beginning and then watches anyway. And
Speaker 1: the other day I texted him about like a game
Speaker 1: winning home run and they didn't respond two hours later
Speaker 1: because he was avoiding text and watching the games starting
Speaker 1: from the first inning. And you know, it's like this madness,
Speaker 1: six games under enjoy before the next two Mays come around.
Speaker 1: This is how I know you're not a real Reds fan, Greg,
Speaker 1: because anyone with a pulse on the Reds know that
Speaker 1: they are ascending and they will make the playoffs. You
Speaker 1: are you are an incredible die hard Yankees fan, though
Speaker 1: you watch every single game right now. Well had a
Speaker 1: successful a blog as well for years that you could
Speaker 1: still find it was marginally successful. Yes, River and Sunset.
Speaker 1: You had it on in the house before the wedding.
Speaker 1: You were in your tucks watching it. I love the
Speaker 1: National Testime. It's well known. I'm I'm a baseball blog too.
Speaker 1: Back in the day. That is a b Storine Dan's
Speaker 1: was a quite a that is quite a thing. You're
Speaker 1: the tennis guy tennis. I didn't even I didn't even
Speaker 1: like watching tennis. Five thoughts that you played tennis this morning,
Speaker 1: And now I found out that you simply probably rolled
Speaker 1: over in your bed and watched it on your phone
Speaker 1: or something to go out to the main room make
Speaker 1: some coffee. But it wasn't that impressive, all right? So
Speaker 1: what do we what gets us up early in the
Speaker 1: morning for football? Let's start with some news. Hey, oh
Speaker 1: speaking a Ludicrous my favorite song roll out by Ludicrous
Speaker 1: and tune in tomorrow. Maybe I'll say it. Who knows?
Speaker 1: Charlie Casserley on NFL Network. Now, the question did someone
Speaker 1: get in Charlie's ear and say mentioned ludicrous Or does
Speaker 1: Charlie Casserley the former general manager of course of both
Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins in the Houston Texans. He's been on
Speaker 1: our show. Uh, an older gentleman, great guy, Charlie. Does
Speaker 1: he actually know totally organic? Totally totally organic? Based on
Speaker 1: Instagram feed, I think a lot of people might underestimate
Speaker 1: what Charlie knows about many thing. Well, he's got a daughter. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that's a song that like plays at sporting events.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he that's a real thing that
Speaker 1: he knows that song. I don't think he has a CD.
Speaker 1: I but I know we could have mined that topic
Speaker 1: a little from another angle as well, which is it
Speaker 1: does feel like producer fed. But I think we all
Speaker 1: believe the Charlie's versatile. I actually know the answer. Um,
Speaker 1: you guys privately, all right, let's get into the news
Speaker 1: and start. Why would it be so disappointing with you? Well,
Speaker 1: just what a bad take I had, you know, what
Speaker 1: a disastrous way to start the show. Chris Harris and
Speaker 1: the Broncos have gotten a deal done. The cornerback who
Speaker 1: was unhappy um with his contract status reached an agreement
Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos to adjust his salary for he'll
Speaker 1: now be paid just a shade over twelve million, James
Speaker 1: Palmer reported Tuesday evening. Mike Cliffs of nine News first
Speaker 1: reported it, and the team later confirmed it. So Chris
Speaker 1: Harris in the building. This is a four time Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player, a one time All Pro selection. He turns
Speaker 1: thirty on June eighteenth, and that's a tricky number for
Speaker 1: a number one cornerback. But west this is a move
Speaker 1: that keeps the Broncos in a good place defensively. There
Speaker 1: was talk that he could be trade bait around the draft.
Speaker 1: This is a much better outcome for this organization. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like all sides win here. He's he's going
Speaker 1: to be thirty years old. Um, Like you said, four
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl are still one of the best cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Their secondary sort of fell apart down
Speaker 1: the stretch when he was injured. And it still seems
Speaker 1: to me like this was all about making sure he
Speaker 1: gets as much or more than Kareem Jackson gets this year.
Speaker 1: That's a great point, and and it's doing right by
Speaker 1: a guy who's been one of the better bargains in
Speaker 1: the league for a while. It's a couple of times
Speaker 1: lately that a team just decided to do right by
Speaker 1: a guy they didn't have to. The Patriots edem in
Speaker 1: this with Harris. You don't want that employee coming in
Speaker 1: who's really not as good as you make in more money.
Speaker 1: Can cause a lot of problems. I mean, like not
Speaker 1: not every corner is the same, So him turning thirties
Speaker 1: different than some others turning thirty where they're about to
Speaker 1: fall off a cliff. But I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with Elway doing this and assessing a year from now
Speaker 1: if they want to get into the free agent derby
Speaker 1: to keep him around post thirty. This is very much
Speaker 1: a win now defense in Denver, and that that secondary
Speaker 1: group with Kareem Jackson who's thirty one, and um Harris
Speaker 1: is turning thirty. That's you gotta make ky. This is
Speaker 1: a big year, a big year for your team. It's
Speaker 1: not my team. I was just thinking that, like you
Speaker 1: called it a win now defense. I think most people
Speaker 1: would consider this a win never offense. I don't know
Speaker 1: that's your guy, Joe, I mean Joe, most people I
Speaker 1: believe in Joe Flacco. It's but it is Flacco will
Speaker 1: find out. It is sort of fifty to me whether
Speaker 1: this offense is anything. The Colts and Broncos play, who
Speaker 1: are you going to root for? Those are clearly the
Speaker 1: two West Broncos are not one of my teams. I
Speaker 1: don't know. We're a little bit back. It's more a
Speaker 1: West is right. I he's what he's saying is truthful.
Speaker 1: He's invested in Joe Flacco being successful this year, and
Speaker 1: that we could misconstrue that is saying he's a Broncos fan.
Speaker 1: But what all West needs is for Joe Flacco to
Speaker 1: be uh top fifteen quarterback and he's the winner. He
Speaker 1: doesn't need the Broncos to win ten games. I like,
Speaker 1: have you boiled this down to winning and losing? On
Speaker 1: my end? Because this might come back their seasons mostly
Speaker 1: about you at this point that the Denver population don't.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Los Angeles Rams and Todd Gurley.
Speaker 1: It's a topic of intrigue in the NFL. Girlely dealing
Speaker 1: with a knee condition that um disconcerting Lee could be
Speaker 1: a long term issue, not something that he could just
Speaker 1: show up in camp and be back to old Todd Gurley.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it all plays out. For now,
Speaker 1: the Rams have a quote, according to ESPN, specific individualized
Speaker 1: offseason plan for Girle and it does not include the
Speaker 1: star running back um appearing in any team drills at
Speaker 1: O t A S. Here's what Sean McVeigh had to say.
Speaker 1: That was what we felt like was the best for
Speaker 1: Todd when Todd and I sat down, and it's been
Speaker 1: really good so far and we feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Mark Uh, do you read into this at all? I
Speaker 1: don't know why they'd have him out there doing much
Speaker 1: more than nothing, because there it's I think, and there
Speaker 1: is something going on with Todd Gurley that they have
Speaker 1: been a little strange about from the start. It's on
Speaker 1: my radar. I really think that the drafting of Darryl Henderson,
Speaker 1: who I think is a role player for them, but
Speaker 1: someone that less need said, gave the Rams and Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara skill set that they wanted to use that he
Speaker 1: could have a big role. I think it's just they've
Speaker 1: been kind of telling us, whether we want to hear
Speaker 1: it or not, for a long time that Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: is not going to necessarily go get three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty carries that they are trying to elongate his career
Speaker 1: and keep him as healthy as possible, So why would
Speaker 1: you be putting them out there in late May to
Speaker 1: do anything? Right now? The last three seasons UM for
Speaker 1: girls age twenty two through age twenty four seasons, he's
Speaker 1: ranged between two hundred and fifty six and two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty nine carries. He's also had between forty and sixty
Speaker 1: catches as well, So this guy has been a touch
Speaker 1: monster for them around. You know, probably averages around three
Speaker 1: hundred touches a year in his career. I'm gonna set
Speaker 1: the over under right here for you, Greg Rosenthal for
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley touches in twenty nineteen at two thirty seven
Speaker 1: and a half. I was assuming I would go under
Speaker 1: with any number you gave me, But that's I'm going
Speaker 1: way over. That's pretty low number that he has averaged
Speaker 1: in the last three years, over three twenty touches per year,
Speaker 1: so that is a big drop off. That's this year
Speaker 1: is a lot different than last year. Though with what
Speaker 1: we're hearing, I don't know, I might go under said
Speaker 1: it low. Here's the thing I heard, Steve Weisch talking
Speaker 1: about this, and the Rams are saying this was the
Speaker 1: plan going into the off season. We have a you know,
Speaker 1: a load management type of plan like in the NBA,
Speaker 1: and it's all this stuff. No, it's significant to me.
Speaker 1: I think it's quite significant. And I'm not it's not
Speaker 1: an alarm belt. But se Quon Barkley and Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: and Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry and Frank Gore and
Speaker 1: Lamar like, none of these other guys have these sort
Speaker 1: of plants. You know, they're not sitting out of ot
Speaker 1: s because the people think that there's value to O
Speaker 1: T S. I think it's everything about Tod's eye opening.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Two news involving West speaking of your
Speaker 1: uh love of Cincinnati. Their football team is the Ben
Speaker 1: Gals and head coach Marvin Lewis spent years and years
Speaker 1: and years and years there. He toiled in Cincinnati forever,
Speaker 1: finally parted ways with the team and was unattached for
Speaker 1: a while, but now that is no longer the case.
Speaker 1: He has joined the Arizona State football staff, led by
Speaker 1: head coach Herm Edwards. Herm Edwards and Marvin Lewis together
Speaker 1: and I have a eatement from herm that I'd like
Speaker 1: to read. Can some missive music, please, Ricky Hollywood if
Speaker 1: you have it. Marvin Lewis is one of the most
Speaker 1: respected minds in our game, whether as the winningest coach
Speaker 1: and the franchise history of the Cincinnati Bengals or the
Speaker 1: architect of one of the greatest defenses in NFL history,
Speaker 1: the two thousand Baltimore Ravens. Marvin has succeeded everywhere he
Speaker 1: has been, and he has done it the right way.
Speaker 1: His passion for teaching will be an incredible benefit not
Speaker 1: only for our coaches, but also for the young men
Speaker 1: we are responsible for as students and athletes. West will
Speaker 1: there be We talked about a reckoning on the last show,
Speaker 1: Greg the Sublime, somehow getting a reckoning, Um twenty years later. Um,
Speaker 1: will there be a reckoning years down the line where
Speaker 1: people will appreciate Marvin Lewis a little bit more in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati than we do now. Where you've seen as a
Speaker 1: guy that hung around too long and never won, I
Speaker 1: would guess not because people are married to their illusions
Speaker 1: in their narratives, and the narratives are that Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: stayed around too long. And wasn't that great of a coach.
Speaker 1: I maintain when you look at the history of what
Speaker 1: coaches have done under Mike Brown, Marvin Lewis is in
Speaker 1: a tier of his own, and he is way better
Speaker 1: than anybody Mike Brown has been able to get to
Speaker 1: coach of that football team like the we've talked about
Speaker 1: in the pod. When they interviewed former Cincinnati player Salomon Wilcox,
Speaker 1: former NFL Network personality for the Pain Rankings, Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: raised the Titanic absolutely. I think also with the Bengals
Speaker 1: when when he went to Cincinnati, they were operating almost
Speaker 1: unlike any other team in the dark. Hees when it
Speaker 1: came to the draft and you look at some of
Speaker 1: the draft classes in the way that they built a
Speaker 1: lot of those teams. You can inside out, that's where
Speaker 1: you want to appreciate it. But what is sports. You
Speaker 1: have to you have to show winning seasons, championship seasons.
Speaker 1: He he does not need to be over credited for
Speaker 1: what they achieved in January, and he wants to stay
Speaker 1: in football, clearly. I mean, that's an interesting combination there. Herman,
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, I just checked her. Marvin her medwords seven
Speaker 1: and six second place in his division in the pack
Speaker 1: twelveth South last year, but they were seven and sixth
Speaker 1: the year before. So Marvin serve as a special advisor. Finally,
Speaker 1: in the news, mark you you sent this in our
Speaker 1: our instant message client two days in a row as
Speaker 1: the news topics. So I'm gonna give it to you here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw I'm gonna tea you up here. Madden
Speaker 1: NFL twenty the venerable UH franchise for UM NFL football
Speaker 1: on your home council console the video game weird set up. UH.
Speaker 1: They added a play that all teams can use. It's
Speaker 1: called the Philly Special and UM the play according to
Speaker 1: e A Sports is Anthony White, who confirmed this on
Speaker 1: the Eagle Eye in the Sky podcast last week. The
Speaker 1: play is listed under the Pistol formation, but the set
Speaker 1: is called Philly. When you look at the play, it
Speaker 1: says Philly Special and then fake Philly Special. And as
Speaker 1: Nick Tony, who writes for NFL dot com added, UH,
Speaker 1: sixty seven fans signed a Change dot Org petition six.
Speaker 1: They got all sixty seven of them to make make
Speaker 1: sure Philly Special made its way into matt and twenty.
Speaker 1: I would imagine Mark, you were responsible for thirty to
Speaker 1: seventy sixty seven those signatures. Congratulations. You know I saw
Speaker 1: because this has been obviously bubbling up in and not
Speaker 1: only my timeline, but years Dan and I saw the
Speaker 1: little And you can go visit Dan's replies and mentions
Speaker 1: if you want to find a little swat you took
Speaker 1: this morning. You know what, I felt nothing here, That
Speaker 1: it's essentially nothing more than an option for like any
Speaker 1: any sort of two point conversion play was just and
Speaker 1: that's basic. That it's in a playbook now, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: We also were asked by the Associated Press to rank
Speaker 1: the top fifty plays of all time. And while the
Speaker 1: helmet catch to the three of you were so enamored by,
Speaker 1: it was in there I found industry that there was
Speaker 1: a can helmet catch to pick from as well among
Speaker 1: the crop of top plays. So also un original, But
Speaker 1: I this time a body run the Philly special. What's
Speaker 1: the other helmet catch? Antonio Brown? I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that one. I didn't I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. Yeah, at least point
Speaker 1: being I mean, almost nothing in football is that original.
Speaker 1: Let's start there and I feel nothing at this point
Speaker 1: by your slings and arrows. I don't really, it doesn't
Speaker 1: it has no meaning to miss it for listeners. A
Speaker 1: newer Listeners show, Mark lost the sandwich prop the super
Speaker 1: Bowl because he well, I just didn't win it. He
Speaker 1: said in the Super Bowl fifty two preview show that, uh,
Speaker 1: there would be a play that would become the most
Speaker 1: famous play in NFL Super Bowl history. Uh. And Mark
Speaker 1: is sticking to his guns that Philly Special is the
Speaker 1: most um important famous play in the history of Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I am stick don't think how ridiculous that sounds just
Speaker 1: me even setting it up, Well, it doesn't sound ridiculous
Speaker 1: to many people. It's simply isn't what I you believe,
Speaker 1: and you're the host, so you can pound your little
Speaker 1: message home as much as you want. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's it's easily it's easily the most influential second quarter
Speaker 1: play in a game that was going to have four
Speaker 1: more lead change. Well, you got your little bit into
Speaker 1: and that's that's fine. West. Whenever you're whenever you want
Speaker 1: to roll on in with your David Tyree scenario sixty
Speaker 1: seven people, for I don't care about the sixty seven people.
Speaker 1: That is a week statistic, and it's more like a
Speaker 1: roundup than that's pretty weak. That's not that's not what
Speaker 1: I would be leaning on as my argument. That's sixty
Speaker 1: seven people signed a petitiar. That's not sad. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's pathetic. That's a sad little petition. Or or
Speaker 1: how about this if you're mad and I'd have no,
Speaker 1: I think it's good they put it in the in
Speaker 1: the game. Why not have more fun? Are you Swede
Speaker 1: to change the foundation of your programming by sixty seven people?
Speaker 1: I find that interesting because we could get sixty seven
Speaker 1: people to get anything into that game. A Apparently it's fair.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Our Engels team dressed in pink might being
Speaker 1: up to do that. That's what's happening in the news. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Um Greg got up early for
Speaker 1: the French Open. I mean, it's just see to me,
Speaker 1: it seems crazy. But listen, I'm not a tennis fan.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it was like the Yankees are playing in
Speaker 1: London against the Red Sox in July, maybe that game's early.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would get up for that, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's only a couple of these Grand
Speaker 1: Slams a year. Well there's four, but that a couple
Speaker 1: really in our our wheelhouse of the off season. And
Speaker 1: your wife is pushing your wife, Emica, a great woman.
Speaker 1: Could spend time with her a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: at the West Lakisha Nuptuals. She's pushing hard for you
Speaker 1: guys to be back east. What about the idea of
Speaker 1: you would not have to be waking up before the
Speaker 1: sunrise if you were living in New York like your
Speaker 1: wife wants. Yeah, for the most part, Uh, sports schedules
Speaker 1: are much better, I would say on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: but or travel further east and go to France. But
Speaker 1: when it comes when it comes to tennis, I would
Speaker 1: say it's it's a little worse overall, although you get
Speaker 1: a little edge with the Assie Open, I mean tennis,
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. That's true. Counter argument, your children becomes sports fans,
Speaker 1: which they already are, and they're up till one in
Speaker 1: the morning watching Monday night football in the h Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think much better. It was a huge boon for
Speaker 1: for an East Coaster to come to the West Coast,
Speaker 1: like I love. We're talking about baseball, a lot of
Speaker 1: the games started four pm. That is beautiful. I love it.
Speaker 1: Or by the time my wife is home, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have to. When we lived in New York, she get
Speaker 1: totally got she got banged and not and not in
Speaker 1: a good way. She would have to sit there and
Speaker 1: watch the Yankees. Now, when she's home from work, the
Speaker 1: Yankees are done, they're wrapping up chappings on the mound.
Speaker 1: It's a good situation for you and m us Sunday
Speaker 1: night football. And so you're saying now that now that
Speaker 1: she gets banged, it's much more positive scenario. And it's
Speaker 1: the family podcast Greg. When I was younger, like pulling
Speaker 1: down the West host Vince Skully game, or like a
Speaker 1: u c l A basketball game back when the Abandoned
Speaker 1: Brothers are playing. That was fun because you could stay
Speaker 1: up late and you can watch it. You feel like
Speaker 1: you're getting away with something like Sparks Madness where they
Speaker 1: click over to the West Coast games late. I missed
Speaker 1: the East Coast side of it, but not as apparent,
Speaker 1: not as all that stuff. Also, with technology, you can
Speaker 1: watch a game the next day on your own time whatever.
Speaker 1: As Damashek once said in a different situation when we
Speaker 1: would go to a Dodger Stadium game. A day game.
Speaker 1: Your your cheat life, you know when you're watching daytime
Speaker 1: sports sometimes. Okay, that's what's happening. There's what I know.
Speaker 1: I already did that. Now we're talking about what you're
Speaker 1: getting up early for. Okay, we started that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: started that. That's how that whole thing started. Um. So
Speaker 1: what are we getting up early for? Um? Figuratively? Um
Speaker 1: for the NFL? And Greg? This this is a great,
Speaker 1: great segment idea that you came up with. So I
Speaker 1: want you to start it. Uh, get the group going here. Sure.
Speaker 1: When I thought about the first name that came to mind,
Speaker 1: I just quickly in the background, that's in the background,
Speaker 1: we've had sports up there. Relax, Uh what uh what
Speaker 1: what was the first name that comes to my mind?
Speaker 1: It was Lamar Jackson and I and I then I
Speaker 1: went through all the teams and all and Mark's getting
Speaker 1: a scowl on his face, right, No, no, no, still
Speaker 1: special And I tried to actually go through all the
Speaker 1: teams and what else would it be? Is like that?
Speaker 1: The is the first answer, not not the right one,
Speaker 1: but he really is the thing I'm most excited about
Speaker 1: is watching that offense. He made a little bit of
Speaker 1: news this week by saying he didn't know they were
Speaker 1: installing an entirely new offense under Greg Roman until he
Speaker 1: showed up for O T S, which is curious in general.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it, but it's curious.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because the the offense isn't gonna be that
Speaker 1: much different. Greg Roman was very involved. But when Greg
Speaker 1: Roman was running the forty niners, I was so excited
Speaker 1: for that. Colin Capper nick his the first season where
Speaker 1: he took over, and then the first full season he
Speaker 1: had as a starter. And now it's six years later
Speaker 1: and the rest of the NFL is doing something totally
Speaker 1: different with spread offenses. But the Ravens have this vision
Speaker 1: of how they're gonna run offense. It's gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of tight end, is gonna have a lot of running.
Speaker 1: I think Lamar Jackson's gonna be underrated as a passer
Speaker 1: and just on a week to week basis. I am
Speaker 1: so excited to just see that like that. That is
Speaker 1: what's got my juices flowing more than anything else. For
Speaker 1: the season. You're invested in Lamar Jackson. I've sins that
Speaker 1: since he took the job. I think it's just fun
Speaker 1: to see when teams are zigging when the rest of
Speaker 1: the league is zagging. And I love running quarterbacks. I've
Speaker 1: I've always like wanted like the running quarterback UH concept
Speaker 1: to work on a more consistent level, Like I love
Speaker 1: watching Cam Newton. Cam Newton has been one of my
Speaker 1: favorite you know players to come into the league certainly UH.
Speaker 1: And that's worked on you know, a certain level, and
Speaker 1: parts of it's been fun. But I think the Ravens
Speaker 1: are doing it with a commitment that we haven't seen.
Speaker 1: I I can't really think of a team that's been
Speaker 1: as different as I think the Ravens will be with
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Greg Romans. Got some skins on the wall,
Speaker 1: your old buddy Mark Sessler some proof that he can
Speaker 1: maybe do it and think outside the but not my
Speaker 1: buddy some Pelts anymore. Notice you didn't mentioned the last
Speaker 1: year or two he had in San Francisco. No, and
Speaker 1: then it went horribly And maybe this I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is gonna have staying there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's no way to really know, But I think the
Speaker 1: NFL is changing and there's room for different ideas. And
Speaker 1: they're a team that loves having tight ends on the
Speaker 1: field anyways, and they're gonna do that. They're gonna run.
Speaker 1: I thought they were fun to watch at the end
Speaker 1: of last season. All right, So that's what Greg's getting
Speaker 1: up early for. West. What are you getting up early for. Well,
Speaker 1: when I thought about this, there was a first place
Speaker 1: and then a distant, distant second place and everyone after.
Speaker 1: I'm getting up early for Baker and Mayfield to Adel
Speaker 1: that was my number two. Baker to O'Dell and you
Speaker 1: can throw in Chub and the rest of that offense.
Speaker 1: To me, I want to see what similarities are there
Speaker 1: to two thousand seven Patriots with the spacing that Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham is going to provide, the downfield threat, Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: maybe in the West Welker rule. Chubb is a better
Speaker 1: running back than anybody on the two thousand seven Patriots
Speaker 1: Antonio Callaway and the Dante Allworth rule. Wow, I'm excited
Speaker 1: about this offense. Comparing it to one of the best
Speaker 1: offenses of the last twenty years. I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 1: It's just a vision I have. I don't think that
Speaker 1: you're I think there's why would you be wrong? Other
Speaker 1: than the fact that I don't know what the two
Speaker 1: thousand Patriots did up front on their line, but you know,
Speaker 1: they were well coached, as they always are, and Cleveland
Speaker 1: to me has question marks and we've mentioned this every
Speaker 1: time with the Browns left tackle, right tackle, and frankly,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be starting a second year player that barely
Speaker 1: played last year in the interior line too, so that
Speaker 1: all needs to work out or what like. You can
Speaker 1: at Baker Mayfield running for his life back there. I mean,
Speaker 1: they they way they coached a pretty questionable line last
Speaker 1: year at the tackle spot is encouraged. They were pretty
Speaker 1: good to do that twice or their line was fine
Speaker 1: last year. It didn't really especially the post Huge Jackson,
Speaker 1: post Hugh Jackson. He was Baker was one of the
Speaker 1: least sat quarterbacks in the league when Freddie Kitchens was calling,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was my other that would have been
Speaker 1: my second option. I just figured in this room, I mean,
Speaker 1: who how could it not be excited? You're bringing up
Speaker 1: the two thousand seven Patriots, where which to me, there
Speaker 1: are other offenses that I think of even surpassed them.
Speaker 1: Now with the yardage, there was a couple other It
Speaker 1: was the Broncos. And but but I'm saying thirteen. But
Speaker 1: I think that the best and I and I think
Speaker 1: the only thing I would say to that is Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was the greatest quarterback ever at the peak of
Speaker 1: his powers that season could Baker and he had never
Speaker 1: even thrown for thirty touchdowns, much less fifty, Right, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the idea Mayfield would have to take
Speaker 1: a pretty huge leap to be Tom Brady. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think if if you take the Baker and Mayfield
Speaker 1: of November and December, he could easily throw for forty
Speaker 1: plus touched him. We loved quarterbacks ultimately, and like to me,
Speaker 1: Mayfield's the most exciting quarterback to come into the league.
Speaker 1: I don't know since I've been covering it. I mean,
Speaker 1: luck is up there, But in just in terms of
Speaker 1: my hopes of what his career might be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, There's not no one else I can think
Speaker 1: of sparked that much excitement or at least in my
Speaker 1: mind going into the second year. Big part of sports.
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why Farv remains my favorite
Speaker 1: quarterback to watch of all time, because he was the
Speaker 1: most fun Mark. How about you what are you getting
Speaker 1: up for? Besides then can I give you an A
Speaker 1: and a B because I I like a little I
Speaker 1: like chaos um more than I can't wait to watch
Speaker 1: this three technique, you know, battle wits against a guard,
Speaker 1: so um two things, and it actually to counter greg Um.
Speaker 1: You would think I would there's some you would never
Speaker 1: think I'd go Ravens, but I think that we may
Speaker 1: get um in this new fangled offense. And I do
Speaker 1: think that you've got the right coordinator there to do
Speaker 1: it all. Taste some Hill part two potentially with Trace McSorley,
Speaker 1: because they've already come out on record John Harbaugh multiple well,
Speaker 1: just because because I have actually a B and C.
Speaker 1: Because Part B would be the Cardinals offense because it's
Speaker 1: new and we've already dug into that a hundred times.
Speaker 1: But the idea that they have this guy that they're
Speaker 1: gonna use all over the place in an offense that
Speaker 1: I think will be very unpredictable with the Ravens to
Speaker 1: begin with. And they didn't draft him to be a
Speaker 1: non quarterback. They said they're going to use them all
Speaker 1: over the place as a quarterback too. I like that
Speaker 1: kind of player. Tassom Hill is one of the most
Speaker 1: intriguing guys out there last year. To me, I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. I wonder if trace mcsurley is going to
Speaker 1: make the team. I seventh round draft pick or sixth
Speaker 1: round draft pick. It's yeah, it's probably think he will
Speaker 1: make the team. I'm banking on that or my point
Speaker 1: has zero behind it. Um. My third thing i'bout about
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill does for a second time around the league. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's right up there to my third thing
Speaker 1: is which desperate team just before the deadline trades a
Speaker 1: second round pick for Cults? Back up, Jacoby Brissette. It's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Do you think they're getting a second Yes?
Speaker 1: I think Ultra chaos is gonna unfurrel for two or
Speaker 1: three teams, and there's gonna be a bidding war for
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette. Wait and see like this as if chaos
Speaker 1: does happen, then you could hold the team over a barrel.
Speaker 1: Mark Mark's been in the take game a long time.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be the last person to the
Speaker 1: take anyone shows up on ms Orli corner for Prissett
Speaker 1: Brissett Fever Marks like I'm already there. I'm already there.
Speaker 1: The corner is crowded. Pick a new corner. Brissette is
Speaker 1: actually Brissette. You would think like that peak corner was
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. You're getting back in when
Speaker 1: everybody kind of moved on from Brissette. So I like
Speaker 1: to Cob, you've come out on the other side of
Speaker 1: take corner and you're back on first take. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I was there to begin with, but
Speaker 1: I'm I am there late, but I'm the only one
Speaker 1: there now, which is a good rounder. Think, I know
Speaker 1: that sounds insane, but if you if if it's also
Speaker 1: a team that is sort of shifting in the wind
Speaker 1: with the which one I would imagine be an injured
Speaker 1: quarterback or two in front of them, that may not
Speaker 1: be the future. That's not a crazy thing to give up.
Speaker 1: If if it has that's like five and two or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, and loses Cousins at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, and he was one of the
Speaker 1: most sacked quarterbacks in the NFL when he played. That's
Speaker 1: all in the past. The future is bright. What gets
Speaker 1: me up in the morning is kickers. You know that
Speaker 1: everyone you know, Uh, that's that's all I care about.
Speaker 1: So UM, I decided to take a spin around the
Speaker 1: league just to see some of the good like solid
Speaker 1: kicker battles and like West is the Browns are going
Speaker 1: to be the two thousand seven Patriots. That's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: more interested in the Browns kicker battle. Let's start there
Speaker 1: where Greg Joseph who you know, Mark Mark you know
Speaker 1: up and down last year to be kind, Yes, to
Speaker 1: be kind. Uh. And he got Austin c Bird in
Speaker 1: there as well. And Mike prefer who's uh the new
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator. He likes both options and he had
Speaker 1: this to say, they're getting better as well. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: a work in progress, but they're both very strong, very talented.
Speaker 1: I'm excited where they're at. Uh. And it's a fluid
Speaker 1: competition in Cleveland. Uh. Spinning on to the Giants where
Speaker 1: Aldric Rose Rosas rosas one of the best kickers, one
Speaker 1: of the best, and you would think, oh, he's got
Speaker 1: it done. Uh. Pro Football Focus had him as the
Speaker 1: best kicker in the league. I think he was second
Speaker 1: pro last year. Um. He is only the fourth Giants
Speaker 1: kicker ever to make the Pro Bowl. Well, why is
Speaker 1: Joey Sly in the building camp legh camp leg perhaps
Speaker 1: with Rosas Joey Sly. Joey Sly sounds like a name
Speaker 1: made up. He kicked for v Tech from two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: a d name and uh yeah v Tech Sly. He
Speaker 1: was very good. Actually he was a four year starter
Speaker 1: All Atlantic Coast Conference. That's a c C selection semifinalists
Speaker 1: for the lou Groz Award, which is presented of course
Speaker 1: to the top kick win the award. I'm not really
Speaker 1: impressed with your set. There are there also finalists or
Speaker 1: does that mean he's like in the final three? That's
Speaker 1: a very finalist. Also means you didn't win, by the way,
Speaker 1: so well he was in the conversation anyway, very long
Speaker 1: time Sly. He was signed after a tryout uh this month,
Speaker 1: and he's a long shot because Rosas rosas Um really
Speaker 1: had a nice year, but he also struggled. Aldric did
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call h Aldric uh mightily in So,
Speaker 1: I think the Giants are hedging on their bets. They're
Speaker 1: gonna bring in Joey Slide and if if he kicks
Speaker 1: well in the summer, they'll either give him a practice
Speaker 1: squad designation or say, hey, don't lose our number. We're
Speaker 1: gonna see Audrick looks spinning forward to Chicago. We know
Speaker 1: where we're going on here? What's going on here? Chris
Speaker 1: Blewett can't believe that's his name, Elliot Fry and Eddie
Speaker 1: Pinero all in the mix, and um Safety's coach of
Speaker 1: the Bears sewn to say, doesn't think he's ever seen
Speaker 1: that many kid cars under one roof. When I coached
Speaker 1: in college, we might have had that many on our
Speaker 1: roster when you have a hundred and fifty guys, and
Speaker 1: this was interesting. That's the most high profile one for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure for the Bears. First O t a practice.
Speaker 1: He's one of them, like Trace McSorley, if you need
Speaker 1: to get the co post looked a little different. They
Speaker 1: had a second set of uprights built within the standard upright,
Speaker 1: narrowing the target space. Uh. Piniero is the only guy
Speaker 1: with real kicking experience in the NFL. Missed the narrow
Speaker 1: uprights on a second and final attempt with a few maybe,
Speaker 1: So that's a situation. Moving on to San Francisco, an
Speaker 1: interesting situation going on with Robbie Gold, who is one
Speaker 1: of the more accurate kickers in the last ten twelve
Speaker 1: years in the NFL. And he's he's unhappy though. Uh
Speaker 1: they the Niners slapped him with the franchise tag and
Speaker 1: he wants out, he wants a trade. Well, guess what
Speaker 1: your boy, um, Mark Sessler Kyle Shanahan says, We're not
Speaker 1: going to trade him. And we also know this is
Speaker 1: his last year here. So the writings on the wall. Um. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: and this is this should be interesting to Jonathan Brown.
Speaker 1: They brought him on the roster, so he's kicking maybe
Speaker 1: a camp Lake maybe in case of emergency situation if
Speaker 1: Gold retires does something. Gold puts his house on the
Speaker 1: market in Chicago. Now why is that important to know?
Speaker 1: The Bears in Gold have a rich history together. The
Speaker 1: history is very rich here and Gold has made no
Speaker 1: um uh secret about wanting to get back to Chicago.
Speaker 1: And we know the Bears that we just talked about
Speaker 1: have a very difficult situation cooking right now with their
Speaker 1: kicking game. It would be a match made in heaven,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna happen. Meanwhile, Gold, yes, he puts
Speaker 1: his house in the market. So oh, he's given up
Speaker 1: on his Bear dreams. No, he's building a new home
Speaker 1: in the Chicago area. Your move. Where's the Jonathan Brown part?
Speaker 1: We're interested in that he's in the building. Just keep
Speaker 1: that in mind. That's just something to keep in the
Speaker 1: back of your mind. This is not just Gold alone
Speaker 1: on the roster. So he might be on San Francisco
Speaker 1: right now, Robbie, but guess what, he's building a house
Speaker 1: in Chicago. That's where he'll be kicking and twenty at
Speaker 1: the latest UM. Couple of ones, A couple more real
Speaker 1: quick keep the Vikings UH have just hired Nate Cating
Speaker 1: as their UM part time consultant. Tom Pallisero reported, now,
Speaker 1: Nate Cating, why is that name ringing a bell? Nate
Speaker 1: Caating had a nice career in the NFL. Kicked about
Speaker 1: ten twelve years, mostly at the Chargers. For a while,
Speaker 1: was the most accurate kicker in history. Yes, he retired
Speaker 1: with a good point west. He retired of the eighty
Speaker 1: two point career percentage, But he missed that kick against
Speaker 1: the Jets. He missed three kicks kicker, but Vinitaria, they
Speaker 1: end up missing kicks that ruined their career and the
Speaker 1: two thousand nine a f C Divisional playoffs against the Jets.
Speaker 1: Cating missed three field goals, including thirty seven and forty.
Speaker 1: Also missed one against the Jets as a rookie in
Speaker 1: two thousand four that costs the San Diego Chargers. So
Speaker 1: he had some down moments. But he's in the building.
Speaker 1: And remember entering a sixth season. Mike zimmer Uh is
Speaker 1: on his fourth kicker, Dan Bailey currently in the building,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of shots turning into performance um. He
Speaker 1: replaced Daniel Carlson, who replaced of course Kai four Bath
Speaker 1: kais Kai who replaced Blair Walsh and we remember what
Speaker 1: happened with Blair Walsh against the Seattle Seahawks in the
Speaker 1: playoffs that faithful cold day. Finally, my favorite kicker battle
Speaker 1: to track. And a lot of people are say in Chicago,
Speaker 1: what I'm all about right now is what's going on
Speaker 1: with the Bucks right now? Cairo Santos, he's the incumbent,
Speaker 1: and he he brought some stability to that Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: roster which was reeling from the Robbie Iguay bust at
Speaker 1: the second round a couple of years back. Well, guess what,
Speaker 1: the Bucks didn't get scared. They said we're gonna go
Speaker 1: back to the draft. Well, we're gonna use the fifth
Speaker 1: round pick on Matt Gay. And this is a big
Speaker 1: kid sea bass out of the league. That guy was
Speaker 1: built like a linebacker. We'll take a look at the
Speaker 1: figure on Matt Gay. Uh, he's got a big leg
Speaker 1: and this is he is obviously the favorite here. Jason
Speaker 1: light the Bucks general manager. He's a big guy with
Speaker 1: a big leg, but he's also accurate. He kicks in Utah,
Speaker 1: but he's also good at sea level. Uh. Christ Paul
Speaker 1: Neil remember him from Dallas. Um, my history and coaching
Speaker 1: when I was in Dallas, it's always been to go
Speaker 1: get a free agent and let's make the best of
Speaker 1: it with the most competitive guys you can get. So, yes,
Speaker 1: Gay is in the lead. Vote Gay, you would think
Speaker 1: if you had to make a pick, who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the kicker? But keep an eye on Kiro Santos who
Speaker 1: doesn't leave the league easily. That is what I get
Speaker 1: up in the morning for. I'd say this, You're extremely dense.
Speaker 1: Update won me over with the late music. But the
Speaker 1: music was nice. Um, I have a question follow up
Speaker 1: question on your sermon. Yes, Um, what exactly are you
Speaker 1: getting up to watch the narrow uprights, kicking, then actually
Speaker 1: kicking in week one like getting up, eating the reports,
Speaker 1: the drama with the uh you know, O T A
Speaker 1: S and then um mini camping. So you want to
Speaker 1: apply on the wall in he's in training camp practices.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a fly on one of
Speaker 1: the narrow uprights? And I just want to see it all.
Speaker 1: I just want to watch the world burn. Fair enough,
Speaker 1: I fly on one of the narrow uprights. I point right,
Speaker 1: get up really high and and Greg Joseph will not
Speaker 1: hit you because he's he's the one kicker in the
Speaker 1: league that's trying to revolutionize the square with only line drive.
Speaker 1: I know. I never said he's going to the low angle.
Speaker 1: Well not with Austin Siebert there. He's gonna come in
Speaker 1: there and correct uh the battle all right, Uh oh,
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Speaker 1: was almost two weeks ago, well not a week and
Speaker 1: a half ago, and people are asking Cody Winter's lego
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Speaker 1: I think for the collection of women trying to catch
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Speaker 1: some fun as well. But it's also enjoyable aspect. I
Speaker 1: think it's meant for people in their twenties and like
Speaker 1: Lakeisha's you know, late thirties. I'm in my forties. There's
Speaker 1: less of a there's not as many people left to
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Speaker 1: move on poop. Stokes says, UH has this to ask,
Speaker 1: how come Doug Peterson gets no love as a head coach?
Speaker 1: Won the Super Bowl with a backup, along with a
Speaker 1: playoff game the following year. There's an argument he's better
Speaker 1: than NFL glory boy Sean McVeigh. I think Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: gets a ton of credit. I never understood these why
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Speaker 1: I've heard nothing but love for Doug Peterson for like
Speaker 1: two and a half years, and he wrote a memoir.
Speaker 1: I'm just coming from the Eagles fans are upset there
Speaker 1: was some ranking because because I remember it in my
Speaker 1: mentions where McVeigh was second and Peterson wasn't in the
Speaker 1: top five or something. I just buy some brands a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think he got hurt because, namely, had
Speaker 1: Frank Wright not taken the Colts job and Josh McDaniels had,
Speaker 1: we would still be puzzling over who was doing what
Speaker 1: with the Colts, with the Eagles and Frank Reich did
Speaker 1: not help Doug Peterson at all by going to Indianapolis
Speaker 1: and totally transforming that team. It's a fair point. It
Speaker 1: all change quickly if Carson Wentz is half as good
Speaker 1: as like the O t A reports, which is like
Speaker 1: he's lightening up the skies. But to your point to
Speaker 1: Reike right, obviously went to indian had a great year,
Speaker 1: but Peterson they had, they won, they got a playoff spot,
Speaker 1: and they won a playoff game. So Peterson didn't. But
Speaker 1: that's why I don't think he's not think anyone's like thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: he's actually the twentieth best coach, he's top five. He's
Speaker 1: on the right side of the um. What what did
Speaker 1: we decide was the I called the Garrett scale, but
Speaker 1: I people weren't an agreement. Oh, because Garrett is quite
Speaker 1: obviously below the average, the medium. I find him to
Speaker 1: be the prime radium. But I was curious the Garrett scale.
Speaker 1: I mean, Marvin Lewis was Marvin. It's everything Bengals fits
Speaker 1: right in the middle. So Richard at not that Hunter asks,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan without a team, having abandoned the team
Speaker 1: that left San Diego, that being the Chargers, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of becoming a Packers fan. Can I make the change
Speaker 1: before Rogers retires without being a band wagoner? Interesting? Yes,
Speaker 1: I think the fact that the Chargers left you you
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, and who knows if you
Speaker 1: get sick of the Packers after a few years jump around.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's no rules for you now. I
Speaker 1: think it's twofold. You cannot be killed for picking a
Speaker 1: new team when what happened with the Chargers happened. Totally
Speaker 1: cool with that. You cannot jump on the Packers and
Speaker 1: not absorb people calling you a bandwagon You just gotta
Speaker 1: let you gotta own it. You gotta explain why, and
Speaker 1: you gotta your heart's leading you though, but you can't.
Speaker 1: You're jumping onto a night into a nice scenario. It's
Speaker 1: most rewarding when it's organic. You can't just say, oh,
Speaker 1: I like watching Rogers. It has to be like during
Speaker 1: the season, you just find yourself pulling for this team,
Speaker 1: and then over and over that keeps happening, like West
Speaker 1: and the Broncos. Let's like get to my honeymoon, moving on.
Speaker 1: Justin Frick asks, what take did you have that crushed
Speaker 1: you the most? When it turned out to be wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, no shortage of options here for any of
Speaker 1: us here in the studio. We've done um like nine episodes.
Speaker 1: So Mark will start with you. It was a lot
Speaker 1: um honorable mention anything I ever said about cult Lirla
Speaker 1: Uh the tight end who came and went very quickly,
Speaker 1: who I was convinced was Grounk part two. Um, I
Speaker 1: remember lighting up have legal issues or yes, as did
Speaker 1: I believe the next person I'm about to mention, although
Speaker 1: maybe to a lesser degree. Um when the Browns did
Speaker 1: not after all the players were cut in training camp
Speaker 1: signed durn Carter to become their number one wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and I spent I think large parts of Sunday into
Speaker 1: Monday texting the three of you super annoyed at Ray
Speaker 1: Farmer in the rounds. Perhaps he knew what he was doing,
Speaker 1: right Farmer back then briefly the anything else, I think
Speaker 1: the fact that I wrote a letter to Zach Mettenberger
Speaker 1: did not um come out trying to be gonna go
Speaker 1: with um maybe the most famous making the leap of
Speaker 1: them all, sob Gerhardt, Well, I mean anything with making
Speaker 1: the leap was suspicious, But I mean I I started
Speaker 1: writing every Brown's quarterback since we've been doing the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no end to I thought Eric Mangini
Speaker 1: was Bill Belichick part two during part of Latter Stages
Speaker 1: of two thousand nine? Who knows Um Brown's Draft Day?
Speaker 1: That that? You know what? I hate to shatter because
Speaker 1: I still got twenty of these mentions a week. It's
Speaker 1: not even in my top two movies, not even close already.
Speaker 1: Well it's twenty mentions a week on draft Day. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well when our friend Um connor or did a breakout
Speaker 1: special on Draft Day a couple of weeks ago, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: just it's like I'm logging off Twitter for the weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did a great job with it, but
Speaker 1: I I got pulled into it. It was full of
Speaker 1: hard from start to finish. This say, West, there are
Speaker 1: many different ways for human beings to be wrong, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I've run the gannet on all of them.
Speaker 1: But you have you ever heard the Jackie Robinson story
Speaker 1: about loud wrong? So seven he is a rookie. And
Speaker 1: there's also a picture on the Brooklyn Dodgers named Dan Bankhead,
Speaker 1: who was an eager league veteran. So there were two
Speaker 1: black guys on the forty seven Dodgers, and they were
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse arguing and Don Bankhead turns. Don Bankheads
Speaker 1: in his thirties at the time, he turns to like
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old Jackie Robinson and says, jack
Speaker 1: not only are you loud, you're loud. You're not only wrong,
Speaker 1: you're loud wrong. And I was that for Nick Foles.
Speaker 1: That one I don't regret because he was good for him.
Speaker 1: He went on to have a great career. He proved
Speaker 1: me wrong. Byron Leftwich, that's the one I was a
Speaker 1: loud wrong on the longest I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to be a great quarterback. And one of my friends
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati reminded me last week at the wedding about
Speaker 1: going on about Byron left which for years and years
Speaker 1: and years and just being totally wrong. There was a
Speaker 1: lot to like with Byron Leftwich. I think I learned
Speaker 1: something from him, Like I don't think I knew enough
Speaker 1: about football at the time to know that you can't
Speaker 1: take a long wind up before he throw the ball. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll stick with quarterback Tom Brady um gradual declined, I
Speaker 1: stand by the logic even looking back now. It was
Speaker 1: before season. This was going into what was their previous
Speaker 1: Super Bowl before this coming out after the Yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was entering his I believe age thirty nine
Speaker 1: season and and we had never seen Warren Moon had
Speaker 1: was functional, I believe around that age. But I felt
Speaker 1: that this would be the year or that would be
Speaker 1: the year that he fell off. And um, I think
Speaker 1: he started very slowly that year and it wasn't looking
Speaker 1: too terribly, but he came on like a banshee. I
Speaker 1: think he might have won m VP. I think he.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been doing lots of things. He ended
Speaker 1: up performing very well that year, won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I think he's been to two more since. So
Speaker 1: I think I got that one wrong. Now he is
Speaker 1: now in gradual decline, and anyone who disagrees is just
Speaker 1: they got the blinders on because you know, they are
Speaker 1: Patriots fans and they can't say reality. But I was
Speaker 1: easily two years um ahead of that in a bad way.
Speaker 1: But you realize it's just because he's getting old. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can see it. It's like you're just fighting time.
Speaker 1: It's not like you that's seeing this player down right right.
Speaker 1: I was banking on the history more. I think he
Speaker 1: came in second for the m v P that year
Speaker 1: and then one it the next year. Right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: they've they've made three straight super Bowl since then. It
Speaker 1: seems like it's a bit of an exhausting hill to
Speaker 1: stand on where you're sort of slow in slow motion
Speaker 1: rooting for the demise of someone who keeps hitting mountain
Speaker 1: top moments over and over. It will end, though, it
Speaker 1: will end, the theory this year has it ends years.
Speaker 1: This is when I when I you know, we got
Speaker 1: we saw this question ahead of time that the takes
Speaker 1: that hurt me the most were when I was doing
Speaker 1: fantasy football. Those would keep me up at night when
Speaker 1: I really was on a hill for someone would be
Speaker 1: when it would be wrong. One that stands out is
Speaker 1: Lamont Jordans. I think I ranked him like fifth going
Speaker 1: into the season, and he was very generic and that
Speaker 1: paining me. Ronnie Brown multiple times paining me. Tatum Bell
Speaker 1: was one. I remember, you know, it's like, oh, Tatum Bell,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to beat Quentin Griffin, that'll be easy.
Speaker 1: He's next. Brock goes back and then it's like when
Speaker 1: you get those wrong. There wasn't even Twitter at that point,
Speaker 1: but you just get fifty to a hundred emails people
Speaker 1: that were upset, right, It's just like so many emails,
Speaker 1: and especially when it was like a player that idgitimately
Speaker 1: really like, like like double hert Kevin Barlow was one
Speaker 1: for me. Um two more questions Michael Healy at Michael J. Heely,
Speaker 1: Um Mark, this is actually directed at you, But I'm
Speaker 1: curious what other people think. Who is your favorite spice girl? Um,
Speaker 1: who is your favorite? Because we did discuss this a
Speaker 1: little downstairs, and I I I think that the twenty
Speaker 1: year old, twenties something year old me was all about
Speaker 1: baby spice. The thirty sometimes year old me was way
Speaker 1: into sporty spice. But to me of today and there's
Speaker 1: no one even close scary spice smell by, I think
Speaker 1: she'd just be fun. She's got some skeletons in the closet.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna judge you. She's just gonna have a
Speaker 1: nice You're gonna have a good old time. She's been
Speaker 1: number one on the list for me the whole time.
Speaker 1: That is really was oh yeah, and I'll be come on,
Speaker 1: I get it makes sense. By the way, I've never
Speaker 1: heard anyone pound the table for sporty spice. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the first. I think that's maybe the appeal is that
Speaker 1: it's not the one everyone's always going on about. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was definitely cliche Ginger. I love the Jerry HOWI, well,
Speaker 1: that's cliche. What I would have thought I would have
Speaker 1: been Victoria Beckham? What was really at the time. I
Speaker 1: don't find posh to be attractive. I mean, David Beckham
Speaker 1: does apparently. Deep here Finally, last question, good Oh by
Speaker 1: the way, Vulture, which is the New York magazine, uh
Speaker 1: culture blog, just ranked every Spice Girl song, every song.
Speaker 1: Every song feels like a tiresome chore, like two of them.
Speaker 1: Want to Be was number one where it deserves to be?
Speaker 1: Got it right? How long does the list go on
Speaker 1: when anyone knows maybe there's there's like five or six
Speaker 1: decent ones. There's only thirty eight Spice Girl songs. How
Speaker 1: about that? It still feels like a long assignment. Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who would have thunk it? You know? Burned bright brief. Finally, um,
Speaker 1: this one from our old friend Tristan reject underscore c
Speaker 1: k y, what's the latest on the Delaware saga? Are
Speaker 1: your children still suffering at the hands of a merciless
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, who still be happy again. Release how big Hungry?
Speaker 1: We need you help, we need this. Come on, gleg
Speaker 1: yuture dum Greg Delaware who asked, will you be my dad?
Speaker 1: I think that I had to be Jack. I believe
Speaker 1: I think so. Um. Of course Delaware is your high
Speaker 1: school band and a listener of the show throughout the
Speaker 1: option because Greg does not want to bring the tapes
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want us to hear him singing, Uh
Speaker 1: what what was that kind of prog rock? Was that
Speaker 1: it seems really nothing? It was like, uh, it was nothing,
Speaker 1: it was it was I don't know. And after years
Speaker 1: we got you finally to acknowledge that you actually have
Speaker 1: tapes in your possession, the original stories that there. They
Speaker 1: were lost to the stands of time. Maybe somebody else
Speaker 1: in the band have them. Now you're telling us that
Speaker 1: you have them and you don't want to share him
Speaker 1: which is your sure and I think it would be
Speaker 1: one tape, but yes, and it's your right not to
Speaker 1: play the tapes on our show. But then a listener
Speaker 1: threw it out there, Hey what if we raised money
Speaker 1: for a charity of Greg's choosing in exchange for the tapes,
Speaker 1: which put Greg in a bit of a morality to spoty,
Speaker 1: don't we just raise money for the ethical corner? You
Speaker 1: know the definition of charity as you're doing something without
Speaker 1: expecting something back. So that's that's that would just do it.
Speaker 1: But that would be great. And if the world was
Speaker 1: just just charities for nothing else but charity. Uh, and
Speaker 1: there's no strings attached, that would be great. But that's
Speaker 1: not what's being laid out. There never be a nice
Speaker 1: bucket challenge, right, what is that supposed to be mean?
Speaker 1: I mean they that you had to come up with
Speaker 1: an ulterior motive to do to your charity. So anything
Speaker 1: any movement on that front, I mean there hasn't been
Speaker 1: any movement. Al Right, we'll check in. Good question. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for today's show. We've got three shows next week.
Speaker 1: But Jack, if if you do need a new dad,
Speaker 1: you know we don't we need an extra bedroom, but
Speaker 1: come on over, um all right, um, yeah, we'll be
Speaker 1: back with three shows next week. West. You will be
Speaker 1: out of town on your honeymoon. I will be on
Speaker 1: a beach somewhere south of the border, beautiful, but we
Speaker 1: will have some guests sitting in the west chair, starting
Speaker 1: with old friend Lindsay Rhodest a while since we had
Speaker 1: Lindsay here in the studio, so we're very excited, um
Speaker 1: and UM. I'm sure there'll be some other surprises along
Speaker 1: the way. So that's it for today's show. Stan handsOn
Speaker 1: signing off four Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss,
Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood behind the Glass till Monday. Do your
Speaker 1: mind you were out this. I didn't know this existed
Speaker 1: until like the day after I got married. Really okay,
Speaker 1: oh no, I forgot my manly man. You can get it,
Speaker 1: go get it. You might as well get another one.
Speaker 1: Forgot l I don't know.