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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from House Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast on

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there,

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Speaker 1: so it's stuff you should know. Hey, Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: I'm having trouble loading up important pages here, important tabs

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Speaker 1: on my computer. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: deal is in that riveting podcast. It's like Serial the

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Speaker 1: second season. Yeah, well Josh's tabs opened. What's the deal

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Speaker 1: with Josh's computer? Uh? The tabs loaded everybody, by the way,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for your concern. So you feel good

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Speaker 1: about this one? Yeah, I do. There's a It was

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Speaker 1: yet again one of those topics that I knew somewhat

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Speaker 1: about probably is us the average person, But digging into it,

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Speaker 1: you really forget how polished and glossy history can become,

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Speaker 1: and how not necessarily like grittier or anything, but just

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Speaker 1: definitely more complex and complicated an interkate than the final

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Speaker 1: story ends up being. Yeah, details matter, Um, no person

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Speaker 1: exists in a vacuum basically, Yeah, and coincidentally or maybe kismately,

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Speaker 1: we asked Jerry were like, hey, can we have this

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Speaker 1: released right around uh the King Holiday? And she said, dude,

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Speaker 1: it is happens to be scheduled before she even knew

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Speaker 1: what it was going to be, Like, this episode fell

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Speaker 1: into that slot. It's the spirit of Doctor King. How

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Speaker 1: about that? Like it's sort of like our marijuana episode

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Speaker 1: being the four release, which was a complete accident, completely

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Speaker 1: happens then, So this is like that, but cooler, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, because it's historical and it's important. Yes, this

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Speaker 1: is important history. You know what I'm saying. The invention

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Speaker 1: a silly putty. Well, I've been really been getting into

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Speaker 1: uh here in my middle age, the civil rights movement

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Speaker 1: in history and learning about that stuff. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: to make up for my uh ancestry in the Deep South,

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Speaker 1: you know, man. You know what's weird is like I

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Speaker 1: I hear that like more than ever, just the last

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Speaker 1: just the events of two thousand and fourteen. Like really

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Speaker 1: I was just unaware, but I've become more and more,

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Speaker 1: um disenchanted and dispirited by the heritage that I have

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Speaker 1: as well. It's just just that kind of studied obliviousness

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Speaker 1: that the powers that be have about the plights of

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Speaker 1: the people who aren't in power has really started to

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Speaker 1: get to me more and more. Yeah, And I've I've

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Speaker 1: had talks about this with a bunch of people, and

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Speaker 1: the consensus I've come to is, I can't be ashamed

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Speaker 1: of anything here in mean, you didn't do anything, person,

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Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. And I don't know anything spece

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Speaker 1: ccific about my family other than they we're you know,

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Speaker 1: white people living in rural Mississippi since the dawn of

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Speaker 1: time and miss I don't think they were the ones

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Speaker 1: knocking on doors trying to uh, you know, encourage black

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Speaker 1: people to vote. I don't think they were the standouts. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so what can you do but just try and

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Speaker 1: be a good person, to educate yourself and learn from it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and make the Bryant uh name move forward in a

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Speaker 1: different direction. I think that's great. Yeah, good job. So

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Speaker 1: anyway I've been getting into I've been reading a lot

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Speaker 1: didn't learn in school at all. They don't teach you

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Speaker 1: or like you said, it's like a very kind of

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Speaker 1: place on August I believe nine three. Yeah, the March

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Speaker 1: on Washington for Jobs and Freedom is the official full name, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't realize that. And that's

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Speaker 1: Freedom because that title actually represents the marriage of two

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Speaker 1: this is all basically of left movement. All of this,

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Speaker 1: And the March on Washington that that Um came about

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Speaker 1: But in ninety one he also started to organize the

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Speaker 1: but because it just sounds like militaristic, it was the

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Speaker 1: the temporary win, UM, but a win nonetheless, and they

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Speaker 1: Representative Lewis, who was still a firebrand in Congress, who

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Speaker 1: but they got together with a Philip Randolph's UM movement

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Speaker 1: like join anyone on stage. He was still denouncing it, right,

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00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: and then this, I mean, this is a real criticism

428
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: of this that you know, it's as radical as the

429
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: white establishment thinks this agenda is who you're asking to

430
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: not be discriminated at the polls. You know, like guys

431
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: like Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X are saying, you need

432
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: to go further than this. If you're going to use

433
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: something this big, you need to really carry out a

434
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: bigger agenda UM. And one of the one of the

435
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: things that added fuel to their arguments was the news

436
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: that John Lewis, who again was twenty three and the

437
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: head of the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee, had had

438
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: his speech watered down by some of the other UM leaders. Yeah,

439
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: not just other leaders, but like the Catholic Archbishop of Washington,

440
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: d C. Basically it was the speech was circulated to

441
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of different people and everyone came back and said,

442
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, you need to tone this down. You can't

443
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: be call out Kennedy quite so plainly because he said

444
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: Kennedy's act the Civil Right checked was too little, too late.

445
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: And then his most famous quote that was UM, I

446
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: guess just deleted pretty much was we want to march

447
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: through the South through the heart of Dixie the way

448
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: Sherman did. We will pursue our own scorched earth policy huh,

449
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: there's a hyphen after that in a non violent way?

450
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Did he say that, how I finished it, but still

451
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: there's a hyphen and then like, oh yeah, in a

452
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: non violent way. Yeah. So they basically held a caucus

453
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: and they all got together and he said that he

454
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: was still very proud and it was a very strong speech,

455
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: and um, I think everyone has a good point on

456
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: the best way to move forward. But for the kind

457
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: of press this thing was getting, and at the time

458
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: they were probably why is to sanitize it a little

459
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: bit for Middle America? Well, yeah, you know, just to

460
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: reach more people. I mean, if you think about it,

461
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: the for better or for worse? Once John Lewis UM

462
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: once his post was taken over by Stokely Carmichael. The

463
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee eventually changed its name to

464
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: take out the non Violent and was replaced with National

465
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: I think UM And it just kept getting more and

466
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: more militant, and Stokely Carmichael wrote black Power. He also

467
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: coined the term UM. But the militant Black Power movement

468
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't trying to too, and we should do an

469
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: episode just on that. They weren't trying to make themselves

470
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: palatable for you know, white Middle America. They were trying

471
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: to take over certain their position. However they needed to

472
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: UM and I agree with you. I just don't think

473
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: the march on Washington, sitting back with this much hindsight,

474
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: would have had the pack that it did necessarily had

475
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: it had that that much more militant tone to it, Oh, totally.

476
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean their goal was progress, not to like scare

477
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: white Americans watching this on television, which is exactly what

478
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: would have happened, you know. Uh, but that's a pickle though,

479
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like that is there. Those are

480
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: definitely two different ways to achieve an end, and you know,

481
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: is the sanitized, watered down version that's palatable to you know,

482
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: white Middle America? Is that is that the best way?

483
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Or ultimately you get to a point where you're like,

484
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: is this really making things go anywhere? Is this really

485
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: just kind of allowing more of the same. Well, and

486
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: how hard it must be to temper your anger and

487
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: frustration and tamp that stuff down to try and reach

488
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: more people, you know, Like, to me, that makes it

489
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: even more brave and courageous. Yeah. Well, MLK actually addressed

490
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: that a little bit in his UM speech where he

491
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: basically says like, if you're sitting there thinking like the

492
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: black people are gonna just we're blowing off steam right

493
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: now and things will cool off, so I don't really

494
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: have to do anything. He says, you're in for rude awakening,

495
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: because if things don't change, we're gonna take it back

496
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: to the street and we're gonna be like it's gonna

497
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: get even worse, Like this is the nice version exactly. Yeah. Um,

498
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: all right, so we're at the event, and what civil

499
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: rights event in the nineteen sixties would have been complete

500
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: without a bunch of white liberal celebrities joining in? Thank

501
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: God for them. Uh so, of course you had Marlon

502
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: Brando and Charlton Heston, which I don't know if that

503
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: surprises me or not. Charlton Heston, Yeah, maybe he wasn't

504
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: just across the board one way politically. Maybe he just

505
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: happened to be walking around DC at the time of

506
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: or maybe he championed civil rights and he loved his guns,

507
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know enough about him could do both.

508
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: I just remember seeing him being berated by Michael Moore. Yeah,

509
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm bowling for Columbine and then of course plan of

510
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: the apes. But I don't really know that much about him.

511
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, as much as I don't know. As as

512
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: passionate as I feel about guns and things, I feel

513
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: equally passionate about badgering old folks. Yea. And I felt

514
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of bad for him. Man, Michael Moore took a

515
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: lot of guf was just like an old dude that

516
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: you're yelling at in his just old like senile, Yeah,

517
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: in his home. Yeah. Uh, but we can laugh about

518
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: it now. Um. Bob Dylan, of course was one of

519
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the performers. Johan Bayez, Peter Paul and Mary Yeah, pre

520
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: electric Bob Dylan. Uh. And then we had um some

521
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: famous black stalwarts like Sydney Poartier and Harry Belafonte and

522
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: Josephine Baker, Halliot Jackson saying yeah, and I mentioned James

523
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Garner was there, Yeah, which is pretty cool. I remember

524
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: where he died. They mentioned that he was like a

525
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: big crusader for civil rights. He was one of the

526
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Speaker 1: few that like really you know, put in the leg work,

527
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just lip service. He was Rockford dude. Yeah,

528
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: he is all about the leg work. Yes, he would

529
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: drive around the Kenning away from getting beat up in

530
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: his gold Camaro. Um. So the show opened up basically

531
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: with I think Joan Bayez opened up with the song

532
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Oh Freedom and then let us sing along of We

533
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Shall Overcome, and then Peter Poullmry awkwardly covered Bob Dylan

534
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: I know Dylan sitting right there with their version of

535
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: blowing in the wind, and then Dylan followed up with

536
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: paste version paste commercial. Remember that from Mighty Wayne. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

537
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: that was funny, and then Um Dylan followed them with

538
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: his new song about the murder of Medgar Evers called

539
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: only a pawn in their game and um lasted nineteen minutes?

540
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: Is that a joke? Okay? Dylan had some long songs,

541
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: it may have been. UM what else can contralto? Anderson

542
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: Um saying the Negro spiritual He's got the whole world

543
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: in his hands. It's a great tune. And Mahalia Jackson

544
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: I think closed things right before King's speech with I've

545
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: been buked and I've been scorned. So they had people

546
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: like fired up basically with great entertainment, meaningful entertainment, and

547
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: the stage was set for UH the MC's Ozzy Davis

548
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: and Ruby d to introduce UH Martin Luther King for

549
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: his now famous speech, which at the time, at least

550
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: they say in this article it wasn't the end all

551
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: be all, but over time it has gained more and

552
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: more steam. It's like sort of the you know, the

553
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: watershed moment, right Like Life magazine covered the March on Washington,

554
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: and the issue that followed the march didn't have MLK

555
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: on the cover. It had Bayard Rustin and a Philip Randolphe.

556
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome, actually, and I mean that's how a

557
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: lot of people viewed the march for a very long time.

558
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a Philip Randolf's idea, Bayard Rustin

559
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: planned it, MLK lent a ton of star power to it,

560
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: and by signing on a lot of other people signed

561
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: on too. But it wasn't until and I've seen this

562
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: else where. It's not this article alone, but um supposedly

563
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't until MLK was assassinated that a lot of

564
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: people UM that had formerly been just kind of sympathetic

565
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: or whatever like really came to adopt like his viewpoint.

566
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: And tragically his death propelled the civil rights movement forwards. Sure, UM,

567
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: and one of the by products of that was that

568
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: this speech came to become what the March on Washington was,

569
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: but for the five years after the march, until MLK

570
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: was assassinated, that wasn't really the case. Yeah, And the

571
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: main thrust of the speech, even though it's remembered now, um, well,

572
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: if you've never listened to the whole thing, you should

573
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: do that, by the way, but you you know, it's

574
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: best remembered for the famous quote, I have a dream

575
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: that my four little children will one day live in

576
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: a nation where they will not be judged by the

577
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

578
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: The main thrust of the script, though, was the or

579
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: the script the speech which was scripted to um was

580
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: the bad check that America had written, basically with the quote,

581
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: instead of honoring the sacred obligation, America has given the

582
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Negro people a bad check, check which has come back

583
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: marked insufficient funds. And um, apparently after this you know

584
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: a bit about the bad check and basically saying that

585
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: you promised everyone freedom and you're not giving everyone freedom. Um.

586
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Mahalia Jackson behind him, one of his friends said, tell

587
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: him about the dream, and that's when he improvised that

588
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: section at the end, which was so powerful that he

589
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: had he improvised it, but it is something he had

590
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: used in sermons previous. But he was riffing during this

591
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: speech at that point, pretty much quite a riff. I've riffed.

592
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I ain't riffed like that, you know what I'm saying.

593
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: And so after that they met with Kennedy and Johnson,

594
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: and Kennedy was going to get the votes lined up

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00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: to get the Civil Rights Act passed, but was and killed,

596
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: as we all know, And so then that fell to Johnson,

597
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: which is what that play that Cranston is in covers

598
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: is from basically the moment he took office and the

599
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: whole rigamarole with trying to get the Civil Rights passed through. Yeah,

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00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: which I think Kennedy, I think is I don't think

601
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: he was against it. I think he was just a

602
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: politician above all else and cared only about being a

603
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: politician that gets reelected. Well, apparently he had. He went

604
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: through a little bit of a transformation. He wasn't adamantly opposed,

605
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: he wasn't a segregationist, but he certainly wasn't like a

606
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: black civil rights crusader. Yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, I

607
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: think he was. Also there was a certain amount of

608
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: ineffectiveness with Congress or whatever, where lb J would just

609
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: beat you at the switch until you voted the way

610
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: he wanted you to. He just wouldn't leave you alone.

611
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: He just kind of did what what he said if

612
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: he wanted something done, which is how he managed to

613
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: get the Voting Rights Act passed. He had a hard time, though.

614
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: They should make a movie version of that play, I

615
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: think to get it out the more people. Maybe it

616
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: was really fascinating. It was kind of like Lincoln. The

617
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: movie wasn't like here's Lincoln's life. It's like, here's a

618
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: really important part of Lincoln's Well, here's the act of

619
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: trying to get the amendment passed. They probably will, you know,

620
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: if it was that good, they will. Yeah, I haven't

621
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: seen some Man yet. Have you seen that? No, I

622
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: haven't dying to see that. It's supposed to be really good.

623
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: So so LBJ gets the Voting Rights Act passed, the

624
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act passed, and um also, I didn't mention

625
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: this anywhere, and I didn't really see it elsewhere. But

626
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: the Great Society, the War on Poverty came about in

627
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: like n sixty five, and I'm pretty sure that all

628
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: of those things. The passage of all those things were

629
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: direct result of the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.

630
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that march got those things pushed through. Didn't

631
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: hurt that Kennedy was assassinated. LBJ definitely played on that

632
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: to get Congress to pass through because even called the

633
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: passage of those acts of fitting tribute to to JFK.

634
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: But um, the the the that show of of agreement

635
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: of a quarter of a million people, black and white

636
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: and Jewish and who I'm sure they were like Chicano

637
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: people there, that's what they call them back then. Um,

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Speaker 1: there were. It wasn't just black people showing up in

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Speaker 1: d C. Going to the trouble of driving from all

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Speaker 1: over the country to get to d C to march

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Speaker 1: to say this is what we want. That had a

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Speaker 1: huge effect, a direct impact on this, this legislation change totally,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of minorities jumping on board. For sure. It's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. And since those acts were passed, there's

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Speaker 1: been no more racism in the United States. No, that

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Speaker 1: was it. It ended right then when LBJ signed those

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Speaker 1: Everything was cheery after that, still a long way to go.

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00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: People still being facetious here. Uh and we would love

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Speaker 1: to close the show by playing the tirety of that speech.

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Speaker 1: But I looked it up today to see if it

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Speaker 1: was in the public domain, and surprisingly it is not.

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Speaker 1: It is owned by the king family. So where can

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Speaker 1: you go listen to it? Though, Well, I've listened to

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Speaker 1: it on YouTube and I've posted it on our Facebook

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Speaker 1: page last year on YouTube, so I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they just don't police it as much, but I know

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Speaker 1: they have gone to court a few times. Doing CBS

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Speaker 1: USA today, Apparently they are not against educators that have

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Speaker 1: used the speech, but a king himself obtained the rights

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Speaker 1: UM one month after he gave the speech. And ah,

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Speaker 1: some people, a lot of people, in fact of historians

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Speaker 1: have come out and said, you know what, you should

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Speaker 1: release this. You're making a big mistake. It can only

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Speaker 1: help the cause, uh, to get it out to more

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Speaker 1: and more ears and full because it's one thing to read,

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Speaker 1: it's another thing to hear it. UH. And they have

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Speaker 1: declined so far, so we'll see what happens in the future.

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Speaker 1: Oddly enough, UM E M I Publishing UM, along with

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Speaker 1: the King family, owns the publishing copyrights and which was

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Speaker 1: sold off to Sony, so the Sony Corporation technically now

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Speaker 1: partially owns that I have a dream. Speed's just such

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Speaker 1: a weird ending progress. Yeah yeah, uh, I think we

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Speaker 1: can play snippet though, for sure, Oh we can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's we should end with a snippet. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to get do you have a listener

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Speaker 1: mail in or should we just do the snippet? Um?

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Speaker 1: I do have a listener mail, and then we'll do

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Speaker 1: the snippet happen? Okay? All right, Well, if you want

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Speaker 1: to know more about the March on Washington, you should

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Speaker 1: check out actually a um an article in Descent magazine

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Speaker 1: called the Forgotten Radical History of the March on Washington's

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Speaker 1: from Spring two thirteen. It's online. It's pretty great. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then also, don't forget to check out our own

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Speaker 1: article on how stuff works dot com. Just type that

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Speaker 1: in the search bar and it will bring us up.

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Speaker 1: And since I said search parts, time for listener mail,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this from Chris about Jim Henson. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to express my appreciation for yesterday's episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Henson. UM so on any

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Speaker 1: ordinary day it would have been great to hear the

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Speaker 1: two of you cover such an amazing person. However, it

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Speaker 1: came at a time when I really needed a positive distraction.

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Speaker 1: Tuesday was one of the most difficult days of my life.

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Speaker 1: I had to have my dog put to sleep. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jupiter was thirteen and a half years old. She'd been

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Speaker 1: with me since she was a puppy. She was my

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Speaker 1: best friend. In imagining life without her is difficult. So

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Speaker 1: Monday and Tuesday we're full of tears, and your show

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Speaker 1: really helped take my mind off the sadness. I've been

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Speaker 1: a fan for years and realized this morning, but I

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Speaker 1: listened to you guys for the first time while walking Jupiter,

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Speaker 1: so you've accompanied on many walks since. I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of Jim Hinson, as I said, managed New England's

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Speaker 1: only year round nonprofit puppet theater, The Puppet Show Place Theater,

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Speaker 1: for four years before moving to d C to pursue

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Speaker 1: a Master's of Fine Arts degree in nonfiction filmmaking. My

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Speaker 1: thesis project, which I'm currently in pre production on, utilizes

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Speaker 1: puppets to introduce kids to history. It's kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: It's called Footnotes, a socumentary see what he did there?

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Speaker 1: You can find a description at socumentary dot com. The

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Speaker 1: thesis is partially funded by the Mr Rogers Memorial Scholarship,

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Speaker 1: which is provided by the Television Academy Foundation. I encourage

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Speaker 1: you to consider Fred Rogers is a future episode topic because,

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Speaker 1: like Henson, he was such a talented guy often marginalized

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Speaker 1: by society. I'd totally love to do one of Mr Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the show. Yeah, man, um, I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the show and appreciate what you guys do. One

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Speaker 1: day in the future, your talents may be recognized by

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Speaker 1: a couple of knuckle heads with the podcasts. So I

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Speaker 1: think he called this knuckle heads. Yeah, and I hope

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Speaker 1: that someone covered us one day. There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of weird backhanded compliment. So that's from Chris Higgins and

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Speaker 1: email with Chris today. Very sorry to hear about Jupiter

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Speaker 1: and best of luck with soccumentary dot com. People can

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Speaker 1: go and check that out them all for puppets, sure,

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Speaker 1: especially punny named puppets. That's right. Um. Well, if you

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Speaker 1: want to get in touch with us to let us

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Speaker 1: know that we're knuckle heads or for whatever reason, you

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Speaker 1: can tweet to us at s y S k Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can join us on Facebook dot com, slash stuff

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Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast at how Stuff Works dot com and has

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Speaker 1: always joined us at our home on the web, Stuff

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Speaker 1: you Should Know dot com. And now the Reverend Doctor

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. When we allowed freedom ring, when

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Speaker 1: we let it ring from every village and ever hamlet,

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Speaker 1: from every state and every city, we will be able

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Speaker 1: to speed up. At day when all the thoughts children,

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Speaker 1: black men and white men, Jews and gent piles, Protostants

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Speaker 1: and Catholics, we'll be able to join hands and singing

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Speaker 1: the whites of the old Negro spiritual pre at last, free,

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