1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Bakup podcast, available every morning 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Wednesday, the 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: fourth of September in London. 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 3: I'm Caroline Hepcap and. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 4: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Markets tumble amid renewed 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 4: concerns over AI and signs of weakness in the US economy. 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: The US Justice Department looks for evidence of anti competitive 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: practices by Nvidia as the chip maker's shares suffer a 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: record setting route. 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 4: Plus the risks facing the world's regional lenders. Banking's multi 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 4: trillion dollar week spot faces a global reckoning. We have 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 4: a special report. 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 4: Stocks in Asia are slumping by the most since this 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 4: summer's route, tracking a tech led selloff. On Wall Street, 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 4: the Mscirish Pacific Index is down over two percent, with 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 4: semiconductor stocks including TSA, CNSKHNEX, tumbling amid renewed concerns over 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 4: the artificial intelligence frenzy. September is a historically volatime month 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 4: for stocks. On Tuesday, the S and P five hundred 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: shed more than two percent. The Nasdaq closed down three 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 4: point two percent. The Tech index has had its worst 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: start to a September since two thousand and two. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: Shares in in Vidia dropped by nine and a half percent, 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: wiping two hundred and seventy nine billion dollars of its value, 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: a record one day loss for a US stock. On Tuesday, 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: as markets in America close, it emerged that the US 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Justice Department had sent subpoenas to Nvidia and other companies 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: as it seeks evidence that the chip maker violated competition laws. 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: Sources tell Bloomberg that officials are concerned that in Nvidia 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: is making it harder to switch to other suppliers and 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: penalizes buyers that don't exclusively use its AI chips. Our 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: technology reporter Ian King broke that story. 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 5: We've reported a while ago that there was questionnaire asgoing 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 5: out that they were just sort of asking customers, asking competitors, 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 5: you know, what was going on in the market. The 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 5: fact that this has gone to the subpoena stage, the 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 5: legally enforceable request for information, is usually a sign of 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 5: an escalation. 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: In response to questions about the probe, in Vidia said 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: that its market dominance stems from the quality of its products, 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: which deliver faster performance in video. Shares are now down 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: fourteen percent in three sessions since it reported earnings that 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: failed to live up to lofty expectations. 45 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 4: The broad risk AFT mood was also driven by a 46 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: closely watched US manufacturing gauge. The ISM Manufacturing Activity Gage 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 4: shrank in August for a fifth month in a row. 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 4: Timoth of Fiora's chair of the survey committee, you know. 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 6: We came in a little bit lighter than people thought. 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 6: We're a little bit better than last month. But if 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 6: you look at the three elements demand, output, and inputs, 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 6: the biggest reason for the lack of slowing down even 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 6: further as a fact that our manufacturing inventory number came 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 6: up surprisingly. 55 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: That's Timothy Feuer from ISM. As the economic picture in 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 4: the US darkens, the odds of an outsized FED cut 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: at the September meeting are increasing. Markets are now pricing 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: in a thirty seven percent chance of a fifty basis 59 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 4: point cut from the Federal Reserve this month. That's up 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: from thirty two percent at the end of last week. 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: The price of oil is also pushing lower, after a 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: loss of almost five percent on Tuesday, The moves come 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: as the possible easing of political unrest in Libya shifted 64 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: focus back to OPEC plus's plan to restore production, while 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: demand concerns also persists, but Jeff Curry, Carlile's chief strategy officer, 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: says that that concern is overstated. 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 7: The data disappointment was a PMI that was expected to 68 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 7: be forty nine point five and came out at forty. 69 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 6: Nine point one. 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 7: Does that justify the oil market being eddy record short. 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 7: Absolutely not. It's not a collapse that would justify the 72 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 7: market being as short today as it was in the 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 7: global financial crisis. 74 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: Of Oh wait, Carlles Jeff Curry, speaking there, oil has 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: now wiped out all of this year's gains on worries 76 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: about the economic outlook in China, the world's biggest crude importer. 77 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: Investors are also watching monthly jobs data due out on 78 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: Friday that could offer more insights on the federal reserves 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: path forward. 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: On US interest rates. 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: They're increasing concerns about the future of regional and smaller 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: banks as they face risks from higher interest rates, exposure 83 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: to commercial real estate, and shaky economic conditions. Bloombrooks Chris 84 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 4: pet has more. 85 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 8: The collapse of Silicon Valley Bank last year exposed the 86 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 8: risks facing small and medium sized lenders, but high interest 87 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 8: rates and an uncertain economic outlook adding to regulators concerns. 88 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 8: The europe and Banking Authority is among the watchdogs that 89 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 8: has raised concerns about small lenders exposure to commercial real estate. 90 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 8: Weaker governance and risk management have also been flagged as 91 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 8: common issues. It leaves a dilemma for regulators on how 92 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 8: to supervise them effectively without overburdening a sector that provides 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 8: crucial funding so consumers and business in London. Chris Pitt 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 8: Bloomberg Radio. 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: The German government is planning to cut its stake in 96 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: Commerzbank after a recent share rally. It currently owns a 97 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: s take of around sixteen and a half percent, which 98 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: is worth roughly two and a half billion euros. Bloomberg 99 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: understands that the government doesn't intend to sell its entire 100 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: stake for now, and it's not known when the transaction 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: will take place. Germany joins other European neighbors in offloading 102 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: shares in banks acquired during the financial crisis, after the 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: region's lenders were bolstered by higher interest. 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 4: Rates plans to scrap the UK's non tax regime could 105 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: cost a billion pounds a year, according to new data 106 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: from Oxford Economics. Bloomberoks two at a bio as the story. 107 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 9: Back in March, budget officials estimated changes to the way 108 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 9: wealthy foreigners pay tax would raise three billion pounds a year. Now, 109 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 9: a new labor government plans to go even further, subjecting 110 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 9: overseas assets to British inheritance tax if the owner has 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 9: lived here for more than ten years. But instead of 112 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 9: raising money, some researchers say the changes will come at 113 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 9: a cost as those with non dom status flee the country. 114 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 9: A survey by Oxford Economics found over eighty percent of 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 9: them un likely to leave because of the measures. The 116 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 9: new rules for both foreign income and inheritance tax are 117 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 9: due to start in April twenty twenty five in London. 118 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: Do you add a bio Bloomberg. 119 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: Radio Now in a moment, we'll bring you more on 120 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 4: the market sell off, plus dig into those concerns over 121 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: the risks facing smaller and medium sized lenders in many 122 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: parts of the world. But first, on a day when 123 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: we're talking about the huge slumps on stock markets, we 124 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: did catch the attention of a stock that is doing 125 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: well at least perhaps if you look over the year 126 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: to date level, could it be dubbed the Hello Kitty rally. 127 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: This is Sanrio, which owns the Hello Kitty brand. Its 128 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: shares are up ninety one percent this year despite being 129 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: down by one percent in a market that's selling off 130 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: as we say today, and this is actually part of 131 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: a broader trend around entertainment companies in Japan which are 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: seeing their performance very closely linked to the fact that 133 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: this summer has been very wet with torrential rainstorms and 134 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 4: very hot, which means that people don't want to be outside. 135 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 4: If you look at the theme park sectors our colleagues 136 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: have been doing. When you see the company that operates 137 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: the Tokyo Disney Resort, which is mostly outdoors, the company 138 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 4: that operates that Oriental land shares down twenty five percent 139 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: this year. Sanrio's parks, though they've two of them in Tokyo, 140 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: are indoors and they're doing very well. Similarly, for another 141 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: major company, Round One, that operates arcades and bowling alleys, 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: their shares up fifty six percent. Entertaining companies might need 143 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: to provide a few umbrellas try and get more people 144 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: in the door. 145 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: Familiar to actually for anyone in London. 146 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: Well, look, it's also the weird effects and the widespread 147 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: effects of course of the changing climate. No, a really 148 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: interesting story to pick up on. 149 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: Well, let's get back to big moves on markets today, 150 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: the broad sell off and Asian equities. After we saw 151 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: AI leader in Vidia suffering that record stock route on 152 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: trading on Tuesday, the nasdack down three percent, oil selling 153 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: off as well joining US now Bloomberg's Critti Guptaho has 154 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 4: been keeping across all the market developments for US and 155 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: on Bloomberg Television. Crazy. Let's talk about the trigger for 156 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: this first, Why the Asian stock drop, given that the 157 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 4: Nvidia route was down to an issue quite specific to 158 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: the business. 159 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, this feels like a little bit of a continuation 160 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: of yesterday's trade. And if I can kind of rewind 161 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: even further past, what we're seeing in the Asian session 162 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: is that even in a yesterday's session, we did start 163 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: to see even Nasdaq futures ahead of the European pre 164 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: market take a leg lower when European markets were actually 165 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: initially opening in the green. So that already shows that 166 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: there was a town set here that when Americans come 167 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: back for a labor day there would be some sort 168 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: of sell off, and that's exactly what we saw. Fast 169 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: forward to the kind of the Asian market playing a 170 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: little bit of catch up here because you saw underperformance 171 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: in the US yesterday as well in this particular sector. 172 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: Not to this extent, however, and this is where you're 173 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: starting to see the difference. So, and this is crucial 174 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: because there's a couple of different factors. Yes, Nvidia is 175 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: a part of it, and yes, the DOJ anti trust 176 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: probe is certainly weighing on the stock in terms of sentiment. 177 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: But historically, when you look at tech stocks, when the DOJ, 178 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: the FDC, basically any kind of legal American regulatory system 179 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: does probe an a tech company, you don't actually see 180 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: a big impact in the stock. And the reason for 181 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: that is a precedent that goes I'm going to not 182 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: nerd out too much here, but a precedent that goes 183 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: back to nineteen ninety nine when Microsoft was dealing with 184 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: an anti trust probe and was able to beat it, 185 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of beat all the cases. So the stock would 186 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: drop in response to all these legal kind of moves 187 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: from the government, and then Microsoft was able to supersede it. 188 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: So one of the criticisms of that was you don't 189 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: trade off of legal drama that can last over, you know, 190 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: three years or or more, and three years for the 191 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: case of Microsoft. So there is kind of a an 192 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: underlying current that when there's regulatory action involved from the 193 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: US on a big tech company, you don't often trade 194 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: off of it. That being said, there's already been a 195 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: lot of positioning for a droppin Nvidia to begin with, 196 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: so that is kind of piling up on top of 197 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: the reasons. You also got m manufacturing data in the States, 198 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: which came in pretty poorly. Remember it only makes up 199 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: about somewhere between twenty to thirty percent of the American economy. 200 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: It was already a sector of weakness. It's not a 201 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: sector of the economy that Jaypoller necessarily cites in some 202 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: of his reasoning around monetary policy, but it is something 203 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: to be quite aware of, given that there is there 204 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: is concern around that sector. 205 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at Jackson Hoe PW you know, seem 206 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: to be indicating that a rate cut was coming. But 207 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: now the debate is around twenty five basis points, fifty 208 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: basis points, And there's so much data, isn't there between 209 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: now and when we get the FED meeting? So the 210 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: ism you mentioned, but then also the monthly jobs data 211 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: on Friday, how much do you think that could add 212 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: to this kind of risk of jittery move mood a 213 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ahead of the next BED meeting. 214 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're already seeing the jitters as 215 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: actually show up. But remember seasonality is a factor as well, 216 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: So there's going to be these jitters between now and 217 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: the next payoff report and arguably after as well, because 218 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: September is a seasonally negative month, and more so in 219 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: election years. In fact, Renaissance Macro just put out data 220 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: that September already tends to be quite weak. August as well, 221 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: but September, more so as an election years, is almost 222 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: guaranteed a negative loss when you look at a guy 223 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: for history. Of course, the famous thing on Wall Street 224 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: is past performance is never a representative of what you 225 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: of future returns. But markets certainly seemed to act that way. 226 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: But absolutely you're right that payrolls is important, given the 227 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: sensitivity that the last payrolls number created in the. 228 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: Markets just briefly crazy on oil prices as well, Big 229 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: movery yesterday down five percent. We're looking at further weakness today. 230 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 4: I mean, what's the boat of significance of that. 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: This is a big deal in terms of risk sentiment. 232 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: You're now looking at a seventy three handle on Brent crude. 233 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: But it's also one we're starting to see geopolitics play 234 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: a bigger role. Remember when you see a move somewhere 235 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: between four to six percent on Brent crude, you know 236 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: that's the geopolitical premium getting baked in. So what's going 237 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: on in Libya, Nigeria? It is actually moving the markets. 238 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we're going to get to that a bit 239 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: later on this morning. Critti thank you so much for 240 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 2: being with us. Bloomberg anchor, Critti Gupta. Then on the 241 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: latest when it comes to the markets moving this morning. 242 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 4: Now we're going to focus in on regional banks, be 243 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: it Metro Bank here in the UK, Milans BFF Bank, 244 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: or the agricultural lender norn Chugenbank in Japan. They've all 245 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: been facing stress recently. Although there's some concern that these 246 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 4: smaller lenders, which are the bedrock of regional economies around 247 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 4: the world could face more turbulence ahead. Joining US now 248 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: is Bloomberg Senior finance reporter Laura Noonan for more on 249 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 4: this story. Laura, good morning. What are the common concerns 250 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: about these smaller banks. 251 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, so these banks, there's a vast variety of different 252 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 10: kinds of banks of fall below the biggest banks are 253 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 10: our listers or will be very familiar with. So one 254 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 10: of the things is they tend to be more exposed 255 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 10: to interest rate changes, and some of the larger banks 256 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 10: because their business models are less diversified, so in interest 257 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 10: rates move, they are more likely to be caught off 258 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 10: guarden to take losses. And we saw that there with 259 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 10: Silicon Valley, we saw it with the Japanese bank. We're 260 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 10: seeing with other banks. They also tend to be heavily 261 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 10: linked to their domestic economies or to their local economies, 262 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 10: and in particular to real estate and in some cases 263 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 10: to commercial real estates, which our regular listeners will know 264 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 10: has been undergoing a lot of different stresses recently. The 265 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 10: other thing is that even though big banks were at 266 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 10: the heart of the last financial crisis, regulators still generally 267 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 10: tend to think that bigger is better. Bigger is safer, 268 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 10: and therefore some of the rules which have come in, 269 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 10: and they do impose a lot of different different burdens 270 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 10: and all kinds of banks. They hit smaller banks disproportionately 271 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 10: because they just don't have the infrastructure to implement all 272 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 10: of these rules in a cost to effective ways that 273 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 10: the costs are increasing for them. So those are all 274 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 10: kind of headwinds that I think banks below the top 275 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 10: tier are facing right across the world. 276 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: Laura. 277 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: In your reporting, you've mentioned a number of recent bank 278 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: crises that have raised red flags. Can you give us 279 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: us an example or two? 280 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 10: Sure? So, I think there has been a lot of action. 281 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 10: In Italy, there's been concerns about some of the smaller 282 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 10: banks not taking not basically being active enough in recognizing 283 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 10: loan losses. The Bank of Italy has called them out 284 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 10: for that. One of the smaller lenders, BFF, was actually 285 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 10: temporarily banned from making sure that Hulder payouts because of that, 286 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 10: because they have been classifying bad loans as being not 287 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 10: bad loans or good loans. We've also seen China, there's 288 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 10: been a sorry India, there's been a number of small 289 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 10: banks to hand back their licenses because they're not making 290 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 10: enough money. In the US, I think listeners will be 291 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 10: familiar with the struggles with the mid tier banks there. 292 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 10: In the UK last year we had the issue with 293 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 10: one of what the kind of postal shattle four challenger banks, 294 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 10: Metro Bank, which hit a lot of turbulence when it 295 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 10: wasn't able to get the regulatory relief that bigger banks 296 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 10: have in which it had been betting on. So I 297 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 10: think we're seeing a lot of different canaries in the 298 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 10: co mines in different countries and different regions, and I 299 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 10: think it's that's why regulators are looking at this area 300 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 10: more closely. 301 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: How are regulators approaching this, Laura, because it's a concern 302 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: about obviously regulating these banks correctly, but not overburdening them 303 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: at the same time. 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a difficult one to straddle because regulators are 305 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 10: aware that these banks are the bedrock of many communities. 306 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 10: As you say, they do have information that the large 307 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 10: banks just don't have because they live and breathe in 308 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 10: the communities that they lend you often, so the archoldric 309 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 10: into of that. It's also very difficult. 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