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Speaker 1: As a cognitive scientist, I'm particularly fascinated by the mindset

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Speaker 1: When Missy returns for her second Olympics, things felt markedly different.

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Speaker 1: Rather than having nothing to prove, she now had everything

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Speaker 2: I remember sitting behind the wheel just crying the entire

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Speaker 1: Swimmer Missy Franklin won four Olympic gold medals as a teenager,

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Speaker 2: This is not just a swim mate, this is who

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, when the loss of an identity threatens

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Speaker 1: At just seventeen years old, Missy Franklin was laser focused

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Speaker 1: What was it now like day to day as your training?

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Speaker 2: It was so hard for me Maya because there were

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Speaker 1: I wonder, was there ever a script that was playing

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Speaker 2: And it's so crazy to think that she fully disappeared

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Speaker 1: And what kinds of things would you say to yourself?

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Speaker 2: Like that was it. That's all I had ever known

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Speaker 2: So I think, with my self worth being the lowest

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like. This SO i got

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Speaker 1: Staples you're a few months away from needing to compete In,

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Speaker 1: rio and not just, compete defend your, titles defend your,

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Speaker 2: Could Before olympic, trials we, had you, know eight to

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Speaker 2: going to have to. Give AND i remember going Into

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Speaker 1: Terrified did you find yourself having to do some of

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Speaker 1: these hacky fake it till you make it type strategies

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Speaker 2: Like it was just the big old miss you, smile

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Speaker 2: it wasn't. Genuine BUT i was trying to put that

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Speaker 2: never felt further from her in my. Life AND i

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Speaker 1: Me and how did the trials?

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Speaker 2: LIKE i felt. ASHAMED i was just holding so, much

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Speaker 2: flight and you can go, home but you will never forgive,

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Speaker 2: been but it would be nothing compared to if you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Try we'll be back in a moment with a slight

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Speaker 1: change of. Plans despite a disappointing performance at the twenty

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Speaker 1: Sixteen Olympic, Trials missy still qualified to compete for THE.

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Speaker 2: DREAD i remember calling my parents the night before the meat,

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Speaker 2: BREATHE i remember my, dad in, particular are just repeating

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Speaker 2: LIKE i just couldn't like comprehend what he was. Saying

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Speaker 1: That What i'm hearing from you is that your dad's telling, You,

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Speaker 1: the Planet. Earth.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Yes i'm, like this is not just a swim.

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Speaker 2: Meet this is WHO i. Am and IF i don't do,

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Speaker 3: Here what is my?

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Speaker 2: do it. Well and so the next eight days were so.

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Speaker 2: still get that. Medal SO i still won a gold

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Speaker 2: the golds in the eight hundred freestyle relay In. RIO

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Speaker 2: i watched them do it in a beam bag chair

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Speaker 2: won my fifth gold.

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Speaker 3: Medal that whole competition for, me truly was just.

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Speaker 1: Survival i've looked back at footage And i've read interviews

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Speaker 1: from that, time And, MISSIE i feel like you could

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Speaker 1: defeat and failure and. Lost it was so inspiring for

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Speaker 1: me to see how you engaged with your, teammates with the,

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Speaker 1: aspires human beings to act like that when we.

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Speaker 2: Lose that means so much to, me, truly that is

440
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Speaker 2: the highest COMPLIMENT i CAN i could ever ask to,

441
00:25:21,356 --> 00:25:24,396
Speaker 2: receive and that was WHAT i decided to. Do there

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00:25:25,116 --> 00:25:28,196
Speaker 2: IS i realized very quickly THAT i was not going

443
00:25:28,276 --> 00:25:30,516
Speaker 2: to be an inspiration LIKE i was In london by

444
00:25:30,516 --> 00:25:33,956
Speaker 2: winning gold medals and breaking world. RECORDS i had always

445
00:25:34,036 --> 00:25:36,796
Speaker 2: talked about the kind of PERSON i wanted to be in,

446
00:25:36,876 --> 00:25:40,196
Speaker 2: defeat and now was my chance to prove it and

447
00:25:40,276 --> 00:25:44,676
Speaker 2: to actually be that. Person and if there was ANYTHING

448
00:25:44,796 --> 00:25:47,676
Speaker 2: i could walk away being proud of from those eight,

449
00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:51,476
Speaker 2: DAYS i wanted it to be HOW i handled myself

450
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Speaker 2: outside of the.

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Speaker 1: Pool so you wrap up a very challenging week In

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Speaker 1: rio and you fly. Home what were the days and

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Speaker 1: weeks like?

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Speaker 3: AFTER i, mean it's hard to put into.

455
00:26:04,276 --> 00:26:07,836
Speaker 2: WORDS i was feeling so many different emotions and just

456
00:26:08,116 --> 00:26:13,116
Speaker 2: ultimately just sadness and. Disappointment we got home and we

457
00:26:13,236 --> 00:26:17,036
Speaker 2: landed back in THE us and back In, colorado and

458
00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:19,716
Speaker 2: we were driving home and as we pulled into my

459
00:26:19,756 --> 00:26:23,156
Speaker 2: neighborhood and pulled up to my, house all the kids

460
00:26:23,196 --> 00:26:27,036
Speaker 2: of the neighborhood were standing there with signs and they

461
00:26:27,076 --> 00:26:29,516
Speaker 2: had made cut out hearts and they had all written

462
00:26:29,556 --> 00:26:31,956
Speaker 2: ways THAT i had inspired them In, rio and they

463
00:26:31,956 --> 00:26:33,116
Speaker 2: had put them all over my.

464
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Speaker 3: Yard AND i remember.

465
00:26:35,356 --> 00:26:38,516
Speaker 2: Just like completely breaking down in that moment and realizing

466
00:26:39,236 --> 00:26:42,436
Speaker 2: who you are and what you do outside of the

467
00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:47,196
Speaker 2: competition space can actually have a significantly bigger impact than

468
00:26:47,236 --> 00:26:51,236
Speaker 2: what you do inside of. It AND i think that

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00:26:51,396 --> 00:26:54,396
Speaker 2: was step one of the healing, process BECAUSE i don't

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00:26:54,436 --> 00:26:57,716
Speaker 2: THINK i believed that at the time of, myself but

471
00:26:57,916 --> 00:27:00,836
Speaker 2: just to know that other people did and to be

472
00:27:00,916 --> 00:27:04,956
Speaker 2: surrounded by that much love and grace and compassion was just,

473
00:27:05,076 --> 00:27:09,596
Speaker 2: like it was so beautiful and So moving back to,

474
00:27:09,716 --> 00:27:15,876
Speaker 2: COLLEGE i immediately got bilateral shoulder surgery and then started

475
00:27:15,876 --> 00:27:19,116
Speaker 2: working with a, therapist immediately started meeting once a, week

476
00:27:19,236 --> 00:27:23,316
Speaker 2: super regular in. PERSON i wanted it to be true

477
00:27:23,356 --> 00:27:26,356
Speaker 2: therapy and not just sports psychology BECAUSE i knew that

478
00:27:26,516 --> 00:27:29,636
Speaker 2: my issues kind of stemmed deeper than just sports and

479
00:27:29,676 --> 00:27:32,476
Speaker 2: how it had rooted into every aspect of my.

480
00:27:32,596 --> 00:27:36,076
Speaker 1: Life and by the, way what an important realization.

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Speaker 3: Today thank you you.

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Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i think that reflects something like even, symbolically

483
00:27:41,036 --> 00:27:45,116
Speaker 1: which is so, important which is given again that your

484
00:27:45,156 --> 00:27:47,876
Speaker 1: identity had been so tether to being a. Swimmer what

485
00:27:48,116 --> 00:27:51,276
Speaker 1: that tells me is that you are interested in treating

486
00:27:51,476 --> 00:27:53,956
Speaker 1: not Just missy the athlete for the sake of improved,

487
00:27:53,956 --> 00:27:55,076
Speaker 1: performance But missy the.

488
00:27:55,116 --> 00:27:57,396
Speaker 3: Person that's a beautiful way of putting.

489
00:27:57,436 --> 00:27:58,956
Speaker 2: IT i don't Think i've ever looked at it that,

490
00:27:59,036 --> 00:28:02,436
Speaker 2: way BUT i did understand that it Was missy the

491
00:28:02,516 --> 00:28:06,636
Speaker 2: person that was the most. Broken and so it was a,

492
00:28:06,796 --> 00:28:12,396
Speaker 2: long long. PROCESS i emotion and, mentally over, time was

493
00:28:12,436 --> 00:28:15,876
Speaker 2: able to heal and learn and grow and get into

494
00:28:15,916 --> 00:28:19,236
Speaker 2: a place, where maybe for the first time in my,

495
00:28:19,316 --> 00:28:21,476
Speaker 2: LIFE i understood that WHAT i could do in a

496
00:28:21,516 --> 00:28:24,276
Speaker 2: pool has nothing to do with WHO i am as

497
00:28:24,316 --> 00:28:26,716
Speaker 2: a person and my self worth and my value and

498
00:28:26,716 --> 00:28:29,436
Speaker 2: WHAT i have to. Offer AND i began to see

499
00:28:29,476 --> 00:28:33,116
Speaker 2: myself as more than just the swimmer and everything that

500
00:28:33,156 --> 00:28:37,556
Speaker 2: came along with. That and it was so incredibly freeing

501
00:28:38,036 --> 00:28:39,836
Speaker 2: and powerful to experience.

502
00:28:39,916 --> 00:28:42,996
Speaker 3: That and THEN i dreamed.

503
00:28:42,636 --> 00:28:48,196
Speaker 2: Of this, amazing, epic incredible, comeback and unfortunately the physical

504
00:28:48,196 --> 00:28:51,276
Speaker 2: injuries just wouldn't let it it. Happen getting to that

505
00:28:51,356 --> 00:28:55,356
Speaker 2: place from the mental standpoint and then physically not being

506
00:28:55,356 --> 00:28:57,996
Speaker 2: able to continue to compete WHEN i felt LIKE i was,

507
00:28:58,116 --> 00:29:01,076
Speaker 2: ready LIKE i could and LIKE i wanted to was.

508
00:29:01,436 --> 00:29:02,116
Speaker 3: Devastating.

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00:29:02,996 --> 00:29:06,676
Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i can feel the intoxication of an epic,

510
00:29:06,716 --> 00:29:11,316
Speaker 1: comeback and what a satisfying narrative that would, be how

511
00:29:11,316 --> 00:29:14,276
Speaker 1: did you handle the disappointment of because What i'm hearing

512
00:29:14,276 --> 00:29:16,596
Speaker 1: from you is that you put in all the mental

513
00:29:16,676 --> 00:29:19,796
Speaker 1: labor to get yourself back to a healthier, place that

514
00:29:20,116 --> 00:29:23,996
Speaker 1: your body wasn't cooperating, right your shoulder injury was not,

515
00:29:24,636 --> 00:29:27,916
Speaker 1: improving and so how did you handle that frustration.

516
00:29:28,596 --> 00:29:29,396
Speaker 3: As an elite?

517
00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:32,276
Speaker 2: Athlete AND i just think as a, PERSON i, mean

518
00:29:32,276 --> 00:29:34,796
Speaker 2: you don't even have to be an. Athlete when your

519
00:29:34,916 --> 00:29:41,076
Speaker 2: body is inhibiting you from doing. Something you feel, Trapped

520
00:29:41,396 --> 00:29:45,236
Speaker 2: you feel, angry you feel frustrated because in my, mind

521
00:29:45,316 --> 00:29:49,236
Speaker 2: there was nothing from a physical standpoint THAT i couldn't push.

522
00:29:49,276 --> 00:29:52,556
Speaker 2: Through AND i tried so hard AND i did everything.

523
00:29:52,636 --> 00:29:56,476
Speaker 2: Possible and it was a conversation THAT i had with

524
00:29:56,596 --> 00:30:00,276
Speaker 2: my now husband at the, time and he, said, HONEY

525
00:30:00,636 --> 00:30:02,676
Speaker 2: i want you to be able to throw our kids

526
00:30:02,716 --> 00:30:05,436
Speaker 2: up in the air one day without pain Like that's

527
00:30:05,516 --> 00:30:08,716
Speaker 2: what he was thinking, of and he knew those were

528
00:30:08,756 --> 00:30:13,036
Speaker 2: myorities as. WELL i truly just came to that realization

529
00:30:13,196 --> 00:30:17,156
Speaker 2: that even IF i went through everything that my surgeons were,

530
00:30:17,236 --> 00:30:20,556
Speaker 2: SUGGESTING i didn't THINK i was going to be at

531
00:30:20,556 --> 00:30:22,756
Speaker 2: the PLACE i needed to be to compete at my

532
00:30:22,836 --> 00:30:25,196
Speaker 2: best and represent my country in a way THAT i

533
00:30:25,276 --> 00:30:28,636
Speaker 2: was truly proud, of BECAUSE i knew that IF i

534
00:30:28,716 --> 00:30:31,036
Speaker 2: continued to go down this, road which was going to

535
00:30:31,076 --> 00:30:36,196
Speaker 2: be more, surgeries more, recoveries more intensity with An olympics

536
00:30:36,276 --> 00:30:39,476
Speaker 2: right around the, corner THAT i was going to start

537
00:30:39,476 --> 00:30:42,956
Speaker 2: to lose that mental and emotional state THAT i had

538
00:30:42,996 --> 00:30:44,116
Speaker 2: worked so hard to.

539
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Speaker 1: Gain, yeah and catch me up on life. TODAY i,

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00:30:48,156 --> 00:30:51,836
Speaker 1: mean you have so many identities that you. Carry you're a,

541
00:30:51,876 --> 00:30:55,236
Speaker 1: wife you're a, mother you're a, podcaster you're an. Advocate

542
00:30:55,796 --> 00:30:57,796
Speaker 1: what is your relationship with swimming like?

543
00:30:57,876 --> 00:31:01,276
Speaker 2: Today SO i do have a beautiful relationship with swimming,

544
00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:04,756
Speaker 2: now Which i'm very thankful. FOR i still work heavily

545
00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:07,956
Speaker 2: with THE Usa Swimming, foundation which is the philanthropic side

546
00:31:07,956 --> 00:31:11,396
Speaker 2: OF Usa. Swimming so giving back to the sport is

547
00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:14,516
Speaker 2: incredibly important to me because it gave me so, much

548
00:31:14,676 --> 00:31:17,036
Speaker 2: and so being able to give back working with the

549
00:31:17,076 --> 00:31:21,516
Speaker 2: foundation providing free and low costs from lessons to communities

550
00:31:21,556 --> 00:31:23,996
Speaker 2: that need is just a huge piece of WHAT i

551
00:31:24,036 --> 00:31:27,116
Speaker 2: do to stay involved in the. SPORT i also recently

552
00:31:27,196 --> 00:31:30,676
Speaker 2: started a podcast with My olympic Teammate Katie hoff and

553
00:31:31,476 --> 00:31:35,196
Speaker 2: we are so thankful to be involved in the sport

554
00:31:35,276 --> 00:31:38,596
Speaker 2: in that way and to have these amazing conversations with

555
00:31:38,636 --> 00:31:43,356
Speaker 2: not just swimmers but athletes about the true vulnerable moments

556
00:31:43,396 --> 00:31:45,116
Speaker 2: of what it is that we do and what we've

557
00:31:45,196 --> 00:31:47,476
Speaker 2: learned from, it and how we can share that with

558
00:31:47,516 --> 00:31:50,516
Speaker 2: one another to help each other. Grow so that's been

559
00:31:50,556 --> 00:31:54,196
Speaker 2: a beautiful way to stay. Involved and my coach would

560
00:31:54,196 --> 00:31:57,076
Speaker 2: always say that swimming is the only sport that will

561
00:31:57,116 --> 00:31:58,996
Speaker 2: save your life and that you can do for the

562
00:31:59,036 --> 00:32:03,876
Speaker 2: rest of your. LIFE i just know it's just like

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00:32:03,916 --> 00:32:06,796
Speaker 2: a very old. Friend even IF i go a while

564
00:32:06,836 --> 00:32:09,556
Speaker 2: without talking to, IT i know that the SECOND i

565
00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:11,356
Speaker 2: get back, in it's going to be like no time

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Speaker 2: at all has.

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