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Speaker 1: your dad be like, why you're so down? So you
Speaker 1: told him you hate your job and he said, well,
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Speaker 1: then you went to Speaker from my Heart and started
Speaker 1: a podcast and got good at it, then monetized it,
Speaker 1: then quit your boring job and told your dad thanks
Speaker 1: for the advice. And he was like, well, that's not
Speaker 1: what I meant, and I don't understand what a podcast is.
Speaker 1: But you seem happy, So that's great, kiddo. You ever
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Speaker 1: actually don't. Oh, I'm John Krasinski and I played Jim
Speaker 1: Albert on the Office. Oh hello everybody, uh and welcome
Speaker 1: to this week's episode of the Office Deep Dive. I
Speaker 1: am your host Brian Baumgartner. Today, you are going to
Speaker 1: hear him in a way you have never heard him before,
Speaker 1: the hunkiest man in the office, John Krasinski. Now, I
Speaker 1: actually had to go to New York uh in the
Speaker 1: dead of winter. I might add to have my conversation
Speaker 1: with John because at the time he was put the
Speaker 1: finishing touches on his film A Quiet Place Too, he
Speaker 1: was doing final edits, he was getting ready for the premiere,
Speaker 1: working very hard, and then about a week later, boom,
Speaker 1: global pandemic. That's right, so that premiere did not happen.
Speaker 1: I had to return the tucks I had rented um.
Speaker 1: The release date obviously was postponed, like very postponed. But
Speaker 1: I am excited to announce that A Quiet Place Too
Speaker 1: is now finally coming out. I cannot wait. I love
Speaker 1: the first one. If you haven't seen it, go check
Speaker 1: that one out because this this movie is going to
Speaker 1: be great. Anyway, I'm so glad I got to talk
Speaker 1: to John before we got stuck on opposite coast because
Speaker 1: seeing him in person, well, there's an energy. Well it's palpable.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call it sexual energy. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say it's palpable. You you can decide what kind
Speaker 1: it is. John is a great storyteller. He's so funny
Speaker 1: and he remembers all kinds of things that that I
Speaker 1: do not remember from the show Boss. It's it's just
Speaker 1: great to see my friend. So please enjoy the one
Speaker 1: and only j K. Bubble and Squeak. I love it.
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker cook at every month.
Speaker 1: Left over from the night before. Hey body, I just
Speaker 1: never let it. Thanks for choosing to kill floor to
Speaker 1: record this. Hey, what do you mean? It was the scariest,
Speaker 1: darkest I actually agree. I got out and looked I
Speaker 1: right and was like where I think I'm in the
Speaker 1: wrong spot? Oh, what's up are you doing? Dude? What's
Speaker 1: your hats? Um? How are you? By the way, Just
Speaker 1: so you know, this is not rebeca. I just want
Speaker 1: to teach you about things when you were like found
Speaker 1: a place in Tribeca. I didn't say that. I said,
Speaker 1: this is this is horrible to we're recording this on
Speaker 1: the stat now. It's literally horrible to get here. I
Speaker 1: ended up getting out of my car and walked because
Speaker 1: it's still taking you in. I'm just drinking you in.
Speaker 1: You have not changed. It's really frustrating what everyone says
Speaker 1: that I really feel like I have. No, you haven't.
Speaker 1: I certainly am you have a lot. I'm elderly. Why
Speaker 1: would you say that I feel elderly? Else I can't
Speaker 1: even say elderly. What's with the intense beard though? Um?
Speaker 1: It started with laziness and then turned into winter, so
Speaker 1: it's just insulation. Really, gotta be honest. My wife, I
Speaker 1: was gonna shave it, and you want don't do that?
Speaker 1: So she liked it. Hello, Um, I can't do you know?
Speaker 1: I love No, I like it. No, I'm saying I
Speaker 1: love it here here in New York. Just too cold.
Speaker 1: We've moved on from the beard. Okay, well you talked
Speaker 1: about winter. I thought that was a seamless transition. Get
Speaker 1: ready for a lot of those. Um I I love
Speaker 1: it here. You should move here. It's really cold and
Speaker 1: it's literally the opposite of what you want. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of golf. You've really done the post office thing, right,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. What do you mean? Just you know,
Speaker 1: show ends. You just become this like golfing extraordinaire. Like
Speaker 1: people don't know that I was over in a Monte Carlo, Monica, Monica, Monica,
Speaker 1: one of those m's. Yeah, that's Monte Carlo and Monica.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of the same thing. I'm not
Speaker 1: clear of. All I know is that I heard that
Speaker 1: you were there. I texted you and you said, I'm going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is great. I'm about to golf
Speaker 1: on a cliff overlooking like nice or something. It was like, cool, man,
Speaker 1: sorry about your life. Um, look at that you got notes?
Speaker 1: Is so official? No, no, I mean this is let's
Speaker 1: get back to it. You've now gotten everybody almost other
Speaker 1: than Steve basically, Uh yeah, Mike, sure, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: making this noise. I'm sure I'm gonna get that note
Speaker 1: pretty soon. Yep, that's a nod in the back. Alison Jones.
Speaker 1: Did you get Phillis? Yep, and I got them together
Speaker 1: as a that's awesome. You know Allison knew Phillis did not. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were like mystics. They knew what was happening before
Speaker 1: we did in the casting process. They knew they were
Speaker 1: cooking something. But you started in New York, right I did? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you just it was like what an open call
Speaker 1: or you got called into I got Wow, the elderly
Speaker 1: things taking it. I got. I had just gotten a manager.
Speaker 1: I had gone out to l A to shoot this
Speaker 1: pilot and then they immediately didn't pick it up. And
Speaker 1: before I left l A, my manager said you should
Speaker 1: meet this person, Alison Jones. So I went by and
Speaker 1: met her and wanted her to adopt me. And then
Speaker 1: she said, you should pay attention to this thing coming
Speaker 1: out soon and it's called The Office and you should
Speaker 1: you should come in for it, and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: that's really nice. So I got back to New York
Speaker 1: and about three weeks later, my manager called and said,
Speaker 1: they want you to come in for the show called
Speaker 1: The Office. And I was like, Alison Jones pro and
Speaker 1: they said, they want you to come in for the
Speaker 1: role of Dwight. And at that point I had seen
Speaker 1: and fallen in love with the British show. I was
Speaker 1: down at Virgin Records. Remember that I was down at
Speaker 1: Virgin Records in Union Square buying the like black DVD
Speaker 1: case with this special edition and just binge watching that thing.
Speaker 1: And that's what made me so nervous, so that I
Speaker 1: actually said I don't know where I got. I was
Speaker 1: still waiting tables and I don't know where I got
Speaker 1: the confidence to go, yeah, no, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go in for Dwight. Let me know when they're doing
Speaker 1: the Tim character. And they basically said like how dare you?
Speaker 1: Who are you? And my manager did say he was
Speaker 1: like wow, that didn't go great. They were very upset,
Speaker 1: and then, very luckily for me, like four three, four
Speaker 1: weeks later, they still hadn't found a gym, and then
Speaker 1: they were like, now you can come in for Jim
Speaker 1: and I was like okay, and then I went in
Speaker 1: trying to remember I guess I did one just with
Speaker 1: the casting people. It was totally terrified, because not only
Speaker 1: was I excited about the prospect of getting the part,
Speaker 1: but I was also very nervous. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be on one of those shows that
Speaker 1: because I was such a TV nerd, and I remember
Speaker 1: like Arrested Development was coming out around then and that
Speaker 1: was really good and smart, and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a really good, smart show and
Speaker 1: kill it. And while I was waiting in the waiting room,
Speaker 1: six gyms that looked identical to me had gone in
Speaker 1: and done their audition and left, and We're like high
Speaker 1: fiving each other and I was the last one, and
Speaker 1: right at that exact moment, they were like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a lunch break for an hour and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe see one more and we get one more in
Speaker 1: and I sat there very nervous, and everybody left. It
Speaker 1: was at thirty rock, and then they came back with
Speaker 1: sandwiches and salads and someone sat down across from me
Speaker 1: with a salad and said, you know you're nervous and
Speaker 1: I said, no, you know, you either get these things
Speaker 1: or you don't. But I'm terrified for the person creating
Speaker 1: a show, because I mean, I I just feel like
Speaker 1: Americans have such a track record of taking brilliant shows
Speaker 1: and ruining them. And he goes, I'll try not to.
Speaker 1: My name is Greg Daniels. I'm the executive doucer. And
Speaker 1: then I called my manager and said I'm going to
Speaker 1: leave now. There's no way I can go into this
Speaker 1: room and he was like, you have to, you have
Speaker 1: to go in, and you know, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 1: I went in and I remember opening the door to
Speaker 1: uproarious laughter, and it was not laughter with me, it
Speaker 1: was definitely laughter at me. And Greg was running the
Speaker 1: room and very sweetly, but just like this is the
Speaker 1: guy who ruined his own life, and everybody was like laughing,
Speaker 1: and it, weirdly was this bizarre blessing because because they
Speaker 1: were already laughing, I felt like I was already in
Speaker 1: my audition when I walked in. So I just kept
Speaker 1: going and read some lines and they laughed. And then
Speaker 1: later I remember Greg saying, I'll never forget that. You
Speaker 1: told me that it really helped your audition because you
Speaker 1: were really honest, and I remember I, that's the vibe
Speaker 1: that I want on this show, someone who will be
Speaker 1: honest and make sure that we're all doing good work.
Speaker 1: And I was like totally. So now I go into
Speaker 1: every audition for anything just being like, so this movie
Speaker 1: sucks all right, hasn't worked since. But but the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing was I came and I didn't know this that
Speaker 1: there's a dynamic between New York actors and l A actors.
Speaker 1: Did you know this. It's like sharks and jets, Like
Speaker 1: the New actors go first because they flew in for it.
Speaker 1: And I remember Jim Gaffigan was on my plane auditioning
Speaker 1: for Steve's part, and we were all in this room
Speaker 1: doing auditions, and I remember I got really nervous because
Speaker 1: we had been auditioning for like two hours, and then
Speaker 1: they like, slowly, we're letting New York people go. And
Speaker 1: then I watched all the l A people come in
Speaker 1: and was just completely judging myself on them. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: having like a an acid flashback. But two people walked
Speaker 1: in that really blew my brain out. One was bj Novak,
Speaker 1: who I hadn't seen really since high school. We went
Speaker 1: to high school together, all right, so you knew him,
Speaker 1: and he walked in. He walked Yeah. I mean imagine
Speaker 1: like somebody from your high school walking into a bizarre scenario.
Speaker 1: Already you're in some weird, bizarro world auditioning to be
Speaker 1: doing something pretend for the rest of your life, and
Speaker 1: then that person walks in. It was an acid trip
Speaker 1: and I was like hey, And then I got more
Speaker 1: nervous because he acted and directed and everything in high school,
Speaker 1: like he was already in and I was barely an actor.
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't an actor. I was a waiter.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what part are you going out for?
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, we're going I'm doing this
Speaker 1: part called Ryan. It's like and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not going for Jim. Then I might say, other
Speaker 1: shot at this, and then I was like, cool man,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, and was super like giving myself a fist pump.
Speaker 1: And then I know it sounds like a like a
Speaker 1: fairy tale, but it's true. I remember Jenni Fisher walking
Speaker 1: in and as soon as she crossed the threshold on
Speaker 1: the door, I was like, well, that's it, Like that
Speaker 1: is exactly who should play Pam. And then what happened
Speaker 1: was I watched her go in with all the other
Speaker 1: gyms and I was like, oh no, because like I
Speaker 1: saw that they were just lining up the gyms with her,
Speaker 1: and I was like, see, she's it's the tipping point.
Speaker 1: She's it. And I remember saying to myself alone in
Speaker 1: a corner, Uh, if I don't go in with her,
Speaker 1: I know I don't have it. I know I don't
Speaker 1: have it. And I never went in with her. And
Speaker 1: then four hours after they had like go of all
Speaker 1: the New York guys, I was sitting there and stood
Speaker 1: up and walk on set while they were in the
Speaker 1: middle of someone's audition, and I was like, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave now. I think you forgot to let
Speaker 1: me go home, and from behind a door like a
Speaker 1: fake wall, they were like all right, and then like
Speaker 1: Greg came out and they're like, just give us thirty
Speaker 1: more minutes, and I was like, and I was so insecure,
Speaker 1: and then I turned around. I waited another fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: minutes and they were like one more, just come on in.
Speaker 1: And I walked in and I saw that it was Jenna,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, if I'm auditioning
Speaker 1: with her, I'm back. You have a shot. And we
Speaker 1: did a scene together that was awesome, and I remember
Speaker 1: having so much fun with it. I think it was
Speaker 1: at the copier. I think I think it was one
Speaker 1: at the desk and one at the copier and we
Speaker 1: just had to improv about stuff. And then we were
Speaker 1: walking out and I turned to her and I was like,
Speaker 1: just so you know you're gonna get the part. I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get the part. And she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I said the same thing about you.
Speaker 1: As soon as I saw you. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: Jim And it was really weird. And I was like
Speaker 1: all right, And again, I don't know why this happened,
Speaker 1: but when I got the part, which was amazing. I
Speaker 1: legit jumped on a couch. Didn't think that that was real.
Speaker 1: And the only question I asked my manager at the
Speaker 1: time was did Jennificer get it? It It was like I
Speaker 1: didn't even get fully happy until I knew that she
Speaker 1: was doing the part, because I was like, if she's
Speaker 1: the part, then again, it's just that one more step
Speaker 1: where like this might be good. It's so interesting because
Speaker 1: that a four hour story and that was really good,
Speaker 1: but what it um, it's interesting. I had never heard
Speaker 1: this before. Greg said she was she was it from
Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, it's weird right like and look is
Speaker 1: just so perfect for it. But then also like I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, they were selling in her delivery how
Speaker 1: like I don't know what the word is, like demure
Speaker 1: or something. And she was so good. I remember being
Speaker 1: so nervous when I was auditioning with her because I
Speaker 1: was like she was so subdued and under where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm I'm like I'm doing
Speaker 1: like physical comedy bits compared to you. So I just
Speaker 1: went super submerged and was like by the end just
Speaker 1: being like like really talking. So so does she help
Speaker 1: you oh, for sure, because again I knew that my chance,
Speaker 1: my only chance, was with her, And as soon as
Speaker 1: I started acting with her, I was like, dude, this
Speaker 1: is the one. Don't blow this. Like I had auditioned
Speaker 1: with Rain, I also kind of knew Rain was going
Speaker 1: to get it, only because he was so I've told
Speaker 1: this story. He knows this story is like we were
Speaker 1: doing an improv about a bunch of things, and they
Speaker 1: did one where I had to go to the bathroom
Speaker 1: and I asked him to watch my phone. And by
Speaker 1: that time I was feeling great and Rain was so
Speaker 1: good and so funny, and then in this particular improv
Speaker 1: he was so infuriating. I remember leaving the scene being
Speaker 1: like he might get it because I'm actually so annoyed
Speaker 1: being in this room with him as John Krasinski rather
Speaker 1: than Jim Albert. He was so good. I remember I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, can you watch my phones? And he
Speaker 1: did this thing where he pretended that like security doors
Speaker 1: were coming down. He was like, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: can you just watch my phone? He was like like
Speaker 1: all the like weird shutting like eighties wipes shutting doors.
Speaker 1: It was. It was so incredible and by the end.
Speaker 1: I think I broke and laughed because he was so
Speaker 1: infuriating that I just had to laugh. He was so
Speaker 1: good at what he was doing. He was making me
Speaker 1: physically angry. Well, it's funny that you mentioned that, because
Speaker 1: we you know, he and I really were the two
Speaker 1: that came from like theater, theater, like Shakespeare and check
Speaker 1: off and and throw that in my mouth. But I'm
Speaker 1: doing he and I in terms of character construction. The
Speaker 1: physicality was a conscious decision. Were just tuned out. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just so highbrow theater garbage. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: what we're doing. What did you also learn fencing at school?
Speaker 1: Come on, I know I was. I wasn't training at all,
Speaker 1: and it was very odd. But no, I'm not saying that,
Speaker 1: although I will tell you this. Phyllis was cast and
Speaker 1: we started filming episode Oodes and she was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. I can't keep up. And
Speaker 1: she went and bought books on improv and went home
Speaker 1: at night and read them on These stories are amazing
Speaker 1: and adorable. I mean some of some of my favorite
Speaker 1: moments on the show or Phillis and stuff. She is
Speaker 1: so funny. Yeah. God, the relationship with her and Steve
Speaker 1: was because didn't we say that they like they went
Speaker 1: to school high school together, they knew each other. I
Speaker 1: love that, And he would reference how much older she was.
Speaker 1: It's such a good bit. By the way, Jenna tells
Speaker 1: the same story about asking about you. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: cast because I contractually made her, which is so which
Speaker 1: is so crazy? Um so, I mean, here's the thing
Speaker 1: you're like, the you're like the hunky like this is
Speaker 1: a great segment. No, I'm not transitioning. I've given up
Speaker 1: on it. He used the word hunky to start a thought. Hunky.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right word is. But part
Speaker 1: of what we're looking at in the show was like
Speaker 1: the TV landscape at the time was way prettier than
Speaker 1: we were. You look at friends, Will and Grace and
Speaker 1: there was a transition with Alison Jones uh and freaks
Speaker 1: and geeks and and wanting to cast people who were
Speaker 1: more real. Were you aware of that at the time
Speaker 1: or did you realize that we were doing something. I
Speaker 1: don't think I would have been cast if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for that. Well, I mean I think again. I saw
Speaker 1: the English show and I was like, I could feel
Speaker 1: the vibe of what they were going for, and I
Speaker 1: knew shooting wise, I immediately felt even from the lighting
Speaker 1: of that probably the test. They were just using those weird,
Speaker 1: you know, office lights, which I thought was so cool,
Speaker 1: Like everything just looked kind of bummer in a good way.
Speaker 1: Because that makes sense. No, it does make sense. So
Speaker 1: you get cast in the show, you're living in New York,
Speaker 1: you went to Scranton and shot. What was your decision
Speaker 1: behind that? Just pure nerd um, just super nerdy. So
Speaker 1: excited to have this part. And Greg contacted me to say, congrats,
Speaker 1: you have the part. And I was so excited. I
Speaker 1: was twenty three, and I was you know, I think
Speaker 1: at that time in my life my only experiences with
Speaker 1: was in college just sort of like let life happen.
Speaker 1: Who knows, right, And so I was like so excitable,
Speaker 1: like a puppy. And I said to Greg, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Scranton and I'm gonna do research.
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh cool, Yeah, there's actually a
Speaker 1: paper company there that does like cards and stuff. I
Speaker 1: gotta see that footage because I think they have it.
Speaker 1: But I went and I was so excited. I went
Speaker 1: with my friend Kevin Connors, and we drove to Scranton
Speaker 1: and out of his Jeeps sunroof, I had a tiny
Speaker 1: little camera and that shot the Scranton sign is us
Speaker 1: driving at full speed limit. So I just sort of
Speaker 1: like popped out of the sunroof and was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, and he didn't really know, so I was
Speaker 1: like filming it as we drove by. Then I went
Speaker 1: around this paper company all day and interviewed the boss,
Speaker 1: but the boss found out that it was based on
Speaker 1: the English one, and then realized that the boss is
Speaker 1: the boob and I was like, I don't want this
Speaker 1: to ever air and don't make me look bad, and
Speaker 1: it was not great. And then I came back just
Speaker 1: thinking that I had immersed myself in this thing and
Speaker 1: really done some research. Man, and then Greg goes, can
Speaker 1: I have that footage? And I said sure, and then
Speaker 1: he said I might use it for the opening of
Speaker 1: the show and I went what And he was like,
Speaker 1: so I have to buy it from you? Can I
Speaker 1: buy your footage? And I was like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you can just have it again super young. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, you could just have it, and
Speaker 1: so I think he he was like no, we gotta
Speaker 1: buy it, and I think he got it for I
Speaker 1: think like a thousand dollars. Are you so you just
Speaker 1: did a buyout, a straight buyout buyout? Yeah? Again, it
Speaker 1: was like decisions so dumb, So I could have been
Speaker 1: making that was could have been the greatest investment in
Speaker 1: my life. No, truly, I know that is insane. You
Speaker 1: know about the sign, right, Has anyone ever told you
Speaker 1: this the sign that you got out of the sun
Speaker 1: roof and filmed. You know, it's not on the highway anymore.
Speaker 1: It's in the mall because too many people were stopping
Speaker 1: along the highway to take pictures by it. It is
Speaker 1: now that sign is now not on the highway to
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Speaker 1: Her investigation draws her deep into the dark woods around Hastings,
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Speaker 1: It is essentially a money laundering business. The best fakes
Speaker 1: are still hanging on people's walls. You know they don't
Speaker 1: even know or suspect that they're fakes. I'm out like
Speaker 1: Baldwin and this is a podcast about deception, greed and forgery.
Speaker 1: In the art world, you knew that the painting was fake. Um,
Speaker 1: listen to Art Fraud on the I Heart Radio app,
Speaker 1: Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Greg talked
Speaker 1: about he felt like his job for the pilot, for him,
Speaker 1: it was about creating the world as opposed to the
Speaker 1: writing of the words. So so many things that happened
Speaker 1: in terms of remember kappas and our thirty minutes of
Speaker 1: busy work. Oh my god, Yeah, I remember that. I
Speaker 1: totally kind of like, you know, it was like an
Speaker 1: acting exercise. I made funny you a practicing school, but
Speaker 1: really it's it's true. I remember that being like so nerdy,
Speaker 1: and then by the end of it, you were kind
Speaker 1: of into it. You were kind of dialed in, like
Speaker 1: juffling in the papers, and and he talked about wanting
Speaker 1: to do that because he wanted the space to fuel
Speaker 1: lived in and we had been there for a long time.
Speaker 1: I thought he was just trying to get us out
Speaker 1: of our heads to not think about lines thirty minutes
Speaker 1: of busy work. That's right, He's he's the most amazing energy.
Speaker 1: But you know, don't you feel like nobody else could
Speaker 1: have directed that pilot? Yes? Is that what you were
Speaker 1: getting at. I stopped your flow. No, I just think
Speaker 1: you know that was one element the lighting that you
Speaker 1: talked about. Um, the set design was amazing. Set design.
Speaker 1: They talked to me also about that the architecture of
Speaker 1: the space was important. That you knew where Jim and
Speaker 1: Dwight's clump was relative to Michael, relative to accounting and
Speaker 1: Pam and all of that stuff. That it's totally true.
Speaker 1: It works. It was like some of the story, I mean,
Speaker 1: so much of the story is being told in the camera,
Speaker 1: Like when the camera whips to a geographic region, you
Speaker 1: already know who you're going to. Like you, we always
Speaker 1: knew where you were. Oh, everybody, we're checking out fantasy football.
Speaker 1: You had such a great little like secret hole back there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I never bothered, never paid attention to do
Speaker 1: you know Greg on the show during this he finally
Speaker 1: said something to me that no one ever said to
Speaker 1: me before. When a great scene was written that didn't
Speaker 1: really have an end, I would like, um, like a
Speaker 1: wide receiver to a quarterback. I would give Matt Son
Speaker 1: a little nod, right, so you guys would do your thing.
Speaker 1: Matt soon would whip over to me if I had
Speaker 1: an idea, and Greg told me that when they were
Speaker 1: having trouble ending a scene, Greg would say, what was
Speaker 1: Brian doing? Where is the where is the thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was. I'm pretty proud of that one. Well you
Speaker 1: sound conceited, but yeah, no you should be. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am, no, but I am. What Let's think back
Speaker 1: what you just said. When a scene was going great,
Speaker 1: I'd give Matt a nod and say I'll make it better.
Speaker 1: You also said like a receiver to a quarterback. Yea,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people tuned out on that one.
Speaker 1: MM And if they didn't tune out on the acting
Speaker 1: school and I wasn't properly trained, and you know that.
Speaker 1: You think they're long gone by now. Oh yeah, most
Speaker 1: of them left on the acting thing. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: feeling free right now. Yeah, but it's funny. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: said the other thing. I remember. I remember when they
Speaker 1: told me that Randall and Matt came from Survivor and
Speaker 1: I thought that was the coolest thing ever. And then
Speaker 1: on an episode two I remember saying to Matt, like,
Speaker 1: just let me know where you want to be and
Speaker 1: he was like, no, no no, no, don't that's my job.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me where you're going to be, it will
Speaker 1: make it feel more alive. And if we hadn't had them,
Speaker 1: the guys from Survivor whose job it was to find
Speaker 1: behavior that was happening because it wasn't technically scripted, I
Speaker 1: think that might be a weird secret element that people
Speaker 1: don't realize, Like people don't realize that like Randal and
Speaker 1: Matt would dive across the table, knowing full well that
Speaker 1: not he was an injury imminent, but that the take
Speaker 1: would only be point two seconds because the camera would
Speaker 1: kind of catch someone and then smashed to the ground.
Speaker 1: But that moment would feel so much more alive. And
Speaker 1: I remember Randall would sometimes say like, no, I will
Speaker 1: not reposition myself for a better shot, because then it
Speaker 1: will show that we were aware of what you guys
Speaker 1: were doing and we can't. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that is so high level. That is that was next
Speaker 1: level stuff they're they're adage was everything that makes it
Speaker 1: harder makes it better. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: have a conscious to sit or did you have a
Speaker 1: conversation with Greg about Jim's relationship to the camera. Yes,
Speaker 1: I remember talking to Greg about it, and I kind
Speaker 1: of remember a version of like Mike Sure talking about
Speaker 1: it a lot, because I remember Mike loved those looks
Speaker 1: early on. How awesome is that? By the way, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's ever happened. Like every take seven writers
Speaker 1: would blow out of that door that we never you know,
Speaker 1: because that was the writer's room that would never say
Speaker 1: what it is, and it would blow out and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, that was amazing, and then cut that bar
Speaker 1: because what you said was way funnier. And like we
Speaker 1: always did the script many times, but then they started
Speaker 1: tweaking the script as we went. It was so alive.
Speaker 1: I felt like I almost felt like you were doing
Speaker 1: live theater anyway. But I remember Mike coming in with
Speaker 1: that amazing laugh several times when I looked to camera
Speaker 1: and he was like, that was so great. And then
Speaker 1: I think it started to become let's not over use it,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a really important story point. And
Speaker 1: I think what I remember Greg and I talking about
Speaker 1: is how I was the window to the audience. I
Speaker 1: was the character who right when you were thinking this
Speaker 1: was all ridiculous, I would turn to you and go,
Speaker 1: you're right, this is ridiculous, or I would load it
Speaker 1: by saying like, wait till you see what's about to happen,
Speaker 1: and it's that was really interesting to me. I thought
Speaker 1: that was so fascinating and smart, and I didn't think
Speaker 1: of it. See, I'm not conceded. I will say other
Speaker 1: people had good idea. Is not just a humble brag. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. No, not like when we were winning the game,
Speaker 1: I said, put me in coach. God, um, so talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about you're a fan of the British show.
Speaker 1: We start work on a ratings are not good. But
Speaker 1: are you feeling good about what we were doing? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I think you know, shooting the pilot,
Speaker 1: we were all a little nervous, right, I think so
Speaker 1: we all felt like, oh my god, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: judged on the actual British script. At least that's what
Speaker 1: I felt. But I was just so happy to be there.
Speaker 1: I knew the group was working really well. I knew
Speaker 1: the show like our like you said, the world was
Speaker 1: really good, the vibe is really good. All the actors
Speaker 1: were incredible, And I gotta be honest, it was probably
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I was able to keep
Speaker 1: a level head, because I didn't care if the show
Speaker 1: did well or not because I asked, um, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Um the executive that came every Friday,
Speaker 1: and that like, super handsome dude. I'm gonna remember his name.
Speaker 1: He was so nice. No, no, no, he's super handsome
Speaker 1: as well. No, Jeff Engl, I gotta I gotta take
Speaker 1: a nap after pulling that. Jeff was the nicest guy.
Speaker 1: But don't you remember he would come down super nice,
Speaker 1: dressed well, handsome ass guy and I'd be like, what's up,
Speaker 1: Jap And He's like, oh, great, I love this episode.
Speaker 1: This will be the last one. And I was like oh,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, it's just not getting the ratings
Speaker 1: and the and the network doesn't get it. I love it,
Speaker 1: but this is gonna be the last one. He said
Speaker 1: that every week of the first season, those first six
Speaker 1: are six totalot just every week, and so on the
Speaker 1: like fifth week, I said to him, can you make
Speaker 1: me a DVD so I can give it to my
Speaker 1: mom so she at least knows that what I was
Speaker 1: doing out here was real and that I wasn't like
Speaker 1: living under a bridge somewhere. And he said, yes, I
Speaker 1: still have that d E that he wrote hand wrote
Speaker 1: on it the office episodes one through six, So that's
Speaker 1: kind of all I cared about, was like, I definitely
Speaker 1: want to show my friends because this will be one
Speaker 1: of those things that's brilliant but canceled. And I want
Speaker 1: to show my mom and I want her to know
Speaker 1: that I'm okay. But I'll tell you I do know.
Speaker 1: When it changed for me was I used to go
Speaker 1: to this same dinner every morning with my buddy Danny,
Speaker 1: and on a Wednesday, because we used to air on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1: I think that at that time I walked it on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday morning and the same diner, same people. We're
Speaker 1: now looking up and be like, that's that's to do
Speaker 1: from that show and it was sexual Harassment had aired
Speaker 1: the night before. I at least that was my moment
Speaker 1: that I've really knew something had changed, like people were
Speaker 1: watching and it started. It was weird because I was
Speaker 1: really happy about it, obviously, but I was also a
Speaker 1: little freaked out because that's sort of like secret club
Speaker 1: that we had was no longer secret. Obviously, it was
Speaker 1: great that Cob was not secret, but it was like
Speaker 1: a big transition for me. I remember that it took
Speaker 1: me a while to that people knew who I was
Speaker 1: was very weird. I also remember this moment I was
Speaker 1: walking here in New York and I was walking through
Speaker 1: and this guy put his hand up real fast in
Speaker 1: my face and I thought I was getting assaulted. And
Speaker 1: he was like, you're on my iPod, dude, And I
Speaker 1: was like, what is an iPod? What are you showing me?
Speaker 1: And there was my dumb face on his whatever was
Speaker 1: like an inch by an inch or two video iPod,
Speaker 1: big dial, big dial. That was trippy for me. Interesting.
Speaker 1: And then the third and final thing was when we
Speaker 1: got parodied on SNL. Remember Fred Armison did a weekend
Speaker 1: update piece. He was pretending to be Steve Jobs or
Speaker 1: was he talking about Steve Jobs. I think he was
Speaker 1: pretending to be Steve Jobs, and he kept saying iPod
Speaker 1: and he was going iPod the office at Apple, the office, iPod,
Speaker 1: iPod the office. And I remember that laughing really hard
Speaker 1: because I loved everything Fred did, but I was also like,
Speaker 1: whoa if we're being parodied on S and L, this
Speaker 1: is big, I think for me. The first Christmas episode
Speaker 1: that we did, that's kind of when the video iPod
Speaker 1: came out. There was a deal with Apple as you
Speaker 1: as you referenced that we were going to be on there,
Speaker 1: and that's when we were in. Our second season was
Speaker 1: like six episodes, four episodesodes one more Zero Confidence, and
Speaker 1: then I remember Greg saying it all. You know, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people get to say, you know,
Speaker 1: we owe it all to our fans, but I think
Speaker 1: we might be the only show who actually owes it
Speaker 1: all to our fans. Because Greg told me that when
Speaker 1: people started paying for shows that they could watch for
Speaker 1: free on their TV, then they had to pick up
Speaker 1: the show. And I remember being like what that was
Speaker 1: just so mind blowing to me. Yeah, the risk taking
Speaker 1: that was happening from day one, because imagine the conversations
Speaker 1: that were going on at the network, which again I
Speaker 1: know the network totally was hands off, because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think they were sort of like,
Speaker 1: we put the screws to you, it succeeded even us,
Speaker 1: and then now let's just leave you alone and make
Speaker 1: your magic. Which I remember that story. Did Greg tell
Speaker 1: you that. I think it was around sexual or whatever
Speaker 1: was the big hit. I know I remember as sexual apprassment,
Speaker 1: but maybe it was something else. One of our table
Speaker 1: reads there were like six people from the network and
Speaker 1: they're always used to be one And after that table read,
Speaker 1: he was like nope, And he supposedly said to them,
Speaker 1: do not come back or I quit, Like, now that
Speaker 1: we have proven ourselves, you don't get to change the formula.
Speaker 1: That to me, especially now that I've had more experience
Speaker 1: in this business, I think it is not only rare,
Speaker 1: it's damn near impossible to have a leader like that.
Speaker 1: And again he comes across as the nicest guy ever.
Speaker 1: But to have someone who's willing to stake their career
Speaker 1: on big swings like that, and then you realize, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was going on since day one. They were taking
Speaker 1: risks from day one. Yes, Lee Eisenberg told me that
Speaker 1: UM dinner party, He said, it came back really well.
Speaker 1: The writers had come up with this great idea. He
Speaker 1: and Jean had written this episode and it came back
Speaker 1: and the network called network executive and Lee didn't know
Speaker 1: who it was, said, Um, great scrapt so funny, really
Speaker 1: really funny. It's really dark and Greg was like, yep,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's really dark. Greg was like, h yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, but I mean it's like it's real dark.
Speaker 1: Greg's like, m guys, anything else like nope, okay, thanks
Speaker 1: for calling hung out amazing and that's like some Jedi minds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Lee was like again from Greg, just the most
Speaker 1: baller like. But that's what I mean is like I'm
Speaker 1: now like directed movies, and even in my directing movies,
Speaker 1: I find myself totally going with that of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I'll try that, or like he
Speaker 1: just sat on the wall and was like you will
Speaker 1: not pass. It was amazing. But that's what I mean
Speaker 1: is like that, It's it's incredible that that's who we
Speaker 1: had on the wall, because even a impressive showrunner would
Speaker 1: have come back and be like, dos in, guys, we
Speaker 1: gotta shoot one other version where it's not as dark.
Speaker 1: And then he was like no, yeah, hey, it's Jake
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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Um your relationship with the Brain, Jim and Dwight.
Speaker 1: One of the things that we've been talking about are
Speaker 1: like comedy duos, right, and we talked about the ensemble,
Speaker 1: and it is like the greater ensemble, but also like
Speaker 1: the pairings like the accountants Michael and Dwight, Dwight and Jim,
Speaker 1: you know, and how all of those things the smaller
Speaker 1: groups work together. That's when I think the show became
Speaker 1: stratospheric is when you guys started having real storylines, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I remember when like Creed
Speaker 1: had a big storyline for the first time, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is it, man, This is like painting
Speaker 1: pictures with the four primary colors or using everything you
Speaker 1: have in the palette and how much more beautiful. I
Speaker 1: remember feeling that the show is like genuinely lifting off
Speaker 1: because like everyone, you know, all those bullpen scenes got
Speaker 1: so much funnier when everybody was involved, Like Diversity Day,
Speaker 1: Diversity that which was the second an episode, but it's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's when I knew that we were doing something different
Speaker 1: than the British. I might have even said it's a
Speaker 1: rain or Jenna. I was like, whoa. Like the fact
Speaker 1: that we're being this sort of on the edge and
Speaker 1: it's so funny and making such a great social commentary
Speaker 1: using Steve as the the sort of boob character. It
Speaker 1: was so next level Like that. That's when I realized, like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I wasn't on this show, I would be obsessed
Speaker 1: with this show. I remember when Larry Wilmore said my
Speaker 1: name is Mr Brown, he goes, I'm not calling you that.
Speaker 1: I lost my mind. That joke was so good. That
Speaker 1: was b J wrote that, right, yeah, so good. But
Speaker 1: you um, the Gem and Dwight stuff, and specifically what
Speaker 1: everybody talks about are the pranks and the two of
Speaker 1: you guys working together. Why do you think you two
Speaker 1: worked so well together. I don't know either the characters
Speaker 1: or the you know, the actors, You and Rain well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think obviously there's some version of the
Speaker 1: old adage of polar opposites are always great. You know,
Speaker 1: whatever happens when you put two polar opposite characters together
Speaker 1: is sort of magical because it's the odd couple, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think that the beauty
Speaker 1: of our show that I really remember being so special
Speaker 1: is when pretty early on, they would allow Rain's character
Speaker 1: to have heart and he felt bad for him at times,
Speaker 1: and then he totally not make you feel bad for
Speaker 1: him because he'd be doing crazy stuff. But I remember
Speaker 1: that that really helped me with the pranks because it
Speaker 1: wasn't just being mean to him. Because pranks are easy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think pranks are kind
Speaker 1: of the easiest form of jokes. I don't mean on
Speaker 1: our show. I'm saying, like doing a prank to someone
Speaker 1: because it's fishing a barrel kind of you know. But
Speaker 1: I think that what the writers did so well was
Speaker 1: make those pranks kind of loving and like brotherly, Like
Speaker 1: there was a brother aspect to it that I think
Speaker 1: made them so great because I wasn't being mean. I
Speaker 1: was doing something that I knew he kind of got
Speaker 1: to kick out of two. I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: my theory on it, but I think that he was
Speaker 1: everything I didn't want to be, or so I thought.
Speaker 1: We were in the scenes together coming from two totally
Speaker 1: different places, and that's what was so cool, like that
Speaker 1: weird explosive thing, and it was one of those things
Speaker 1: where you know, I think that when you put yourself
Speaker 1: as an audience member and you're like, I think this
Speaker 1: is funny. I knew this is what I would want
Speaker 1: to see, is me trying to tell him something and
Speaker 1: him being annoying. Or the best is when we teamed up,
Speaker 1: when we did when we did stuff together and we
Speaker 1: were a team, that was great. That stuff was amazing,
Speaker 1: like those those talking heads where we do together. Don't
Speaker 1: think I was professional once in those because when I
Speaker 1: sat in a chair next to him, that weird energy
Speaker 1: radiated off of him, and I just started laughing. I'm
Speaker 1: a crier laugher, and I had like that high pitched
Speaker 1: girl laughs. That's what made Rain so good is he
Speaker 1: he was able to remember. We always used to laugh
Speaker 1: because he had this look on his face that he'd
Speaker 1: give to me that would make me break every time.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's like his face didn't even move,
Speaker 1: but like some energy came out and I would laugh
Speaker 1: every time. He would do this like really funny, kind
Speaker 1: of like dumb face at me, and I would laugh
Speaker 1: every time, and it's funny. It's almost like he, of
Speaker 1: all people, made the lines feel like improv Him and Steve,
Speaker 1: I think made the lines feel the most like they
Speaker 1: were improving. You know, you're a part of my favorite
Speaker 1: moment of shooting ever. People always asked me, what's the
Speaker 1: hardest you ever laughed on set? Without a doubt, it's
Speaker 1: when you sat on his lap. When you sat on
Speaker 1: his lap and his improv with you. I think you
Speaker 1: can see it on the out takes, right, it's the
Speaker 1: funniest And by the way, to your point again, you're right,
Speaker 1: they always went to you for a button because any
Speaker 1: time they went to me, for a button and Steve
Speaker 1: was doing improv. I was not there physically not. I
Speaker 1: remember Matt Stone going just just let me know, are
Speaker 1: you gonna be there? And I was like no, because
Speaker 1: I would laugh so hard that I had to walk
Speaker 1: off sets. You were diving into the entryway office and
Speaker 1: I was just the most unprofessional, and they would you
Speaker 1: were doing such good work, and he said something about
Speaker 1: like attaching balloons to you or something, and they went
Speaker 1: to me and I was like, dude, don't do it
Speaker 1: I'm only going to fail you. And that was one
Speaker 1: of the only times that I just literally gave up
Speaker 1: on doing my job. And then he pretended that his
Speaker 1: legs were asleep. Yeah, but his voice changed when you
Speaker 1: sat on his lap. Well, that's that's the thing that
Speaker 1: I always that I always say to people was and
Speaker 1: it was right in my ear. It was right in
Speaker 1: my ear. And he I would go, kill what would
Speaker 1: you like a little and it was like this inhalation
Speaker 1: of air. Jeez, I didn't know you were going to
Speaker 1: ask me that, and he goes, well, thank quicker like that.
Speaker 1: And remember when he started banging his head out on
Speaker 1: the glass. Oh that whole improp And I remember God
Speaker 1: bless Steve. He used to get so frustrated, So I'm
Speaker 1: not really but like, I know, I was a paint
Speaker 1: in the aster room because I would laugh so hard
Speaker 1: and some of if he'd be doing the most genius
Speaker 1: stuff and I'd be in a two shot with him
Speaker 1: ruining the take and he was like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: maybe don't laugh on this one. So nice about it.
Speaker 1: But also it was like, I'd like to go home
Speaker 1: and see my kids. I'd like to get out of here. Yeah, um, writing, acting, directing,
Speaker 1: is there one you prefer? That's a good question. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think yeah, I think acting was always
Speaker 1: I think because it was the first, there's something I
Speaker 1: really love about it. I think that there's elements to
Speaker 1: acting being more fun because you don't have the weight
Speaker 1: of responsibility of any kind. Like turning into script you
Speaker 1: have the responsibility I hope this doesn't suck, and directing
Speaker 1: you have all the responsibilities, which can be terrifying. But
Speaker 1: by the way, you don't want to suck being an
Speaker 1: actor either. But I don't know. I guess that it's
Speaker 1: once you've gone to you know, the whole behind the
Speaker 1: camera idea and you see how the sausage is made
Speaker 1: you realize how I think writing and directing made me
Speaker 1: a better actor and vice versa. You know everybody. I
Speaker 1: remember always getting awards. People would always be like in
Speaker 1: thanks to the crew and whatever, and we had the
Speaker 1: greatest crew of all time. And I think that that
Speaker 1: taught me to look back on all the things I
Speaker 1: loved movies and television or whatever, and realized that for
Speaker 1: every moment you remember watching and loving, there were three
Speaker 1: to six people who made that moment exactly happen at
Speaker 1: that exact time, and it was magic, from props to
Speaker 1: camera to the set design. Like I said, like I
Speaker 1: look back on the Office and realized, like you said
Speaker 1: that that geography thing really blew my mind because it
Speaker 1: feels like that that that set design was so purposeful anyway,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I don't know if that answered anything, No,
Speaker 1: I think so people always ask how did I get
Speaker 1: into directing or writing? And it's like, because I went
Speaker 1: to the best film school ever, which was Office, and
Speaker 1: you learn what's good. I think my taste level became
Speaker 1: solidified on that show, like I see what's possible now
Speaker 1: and everything I do. Um. I've said this before that
Speaker 1: I never would have directed and rewritten A Quiet Place
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Greg, because I remember him saying
Speaker 1: to me one day, don't look at this as a comedy.
Speaker 1: Just be in the moment, right you do. Your character
Speaker 1: doesn't know he's funny. We get to we get to decide, right,
Speaker 1: So we're not making a comedy. We're just telling the
Speaker 1: best story we can. And if you end up laughing, great,
Speaker 1: if you cry at a moment with Pam, great, but
Speaker 1: just tell the best story. So when I got offered
Speaker 1: Quiet Place, I was like, I don't know anything about horror,
Speaker 1: and I remember actually sitting down before I wrote the
Speaker 1: script and said, I'm not going to make a horror movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make a genre movie. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: the best story I can about this family. And if
Speaker 1: you end up getting scared at moments, that is on you,
Speaker 1: because it's only my job is only to tell you
Speaker 1: the most concise and strong story I can, and then
Speaker 1: every emotional thing that you feel is coming from you
Speaker 1: and how you're experiencing it. And I remember I never
Speaker 1: would have had the guts to do that, because I
Speaker 1: would have said the same thing I said to Greg
Speaker 1: that day, which is like, I don't want to mess
Speaker 1: this up. I want to make sure I'm really funny
Speaker 1: in this scene for you, and he was like, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be funny. I want you
Speaker 1: to tell the best story and let other people decide
Speaker 1: whether the scene is funny. And I was like, mind
Speaker 1: blowing stuff. That is very, very smart. But The Quiet
Speaker 1: Place isn't a comedy. No, you should see it before
Speaker 1: we do an interview. Shoot. All right, guys, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break right there. I'm gonna save the rest
Speaker 1: of John's interview for a very special occasion down the line,
Speaker 1: because John is a very special boy. Thank you j
Speaker 1: K for joining me. I have to admit you are
Speaker 1: my number one, top, absolute favorite pain in the ass
Speaker 1: in the world. Um, so congratulations on that. To all
Speaker 1: of you listeners, thank you for joining me. We will
Speaker 1: be back next time for another hilarious guest. So have
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Speaker 1: Lang Lee. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, our associate
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