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Speaker 2: Welcome back to George Nory with Earl Gray Anderson. We
Speaker 2: are with him is the director of Southern California's mutual
Speaker 2: uphone network. Earle, did your mother ever tell you what
Speaker 2: she thought was going on underground with those scientists?
Speaker 3: You know, she didn't really say. She said that it
Speaker 3: was top secret, you know, stuff that they were working
Speaker 3: on down there, you know, I mean, And I got
Speaker 3: a little lecture from her after the parent teacher conference.
Speaker 3: She said that if you talk about this, I could
Speaker 3: go to prisons. And I mean she was very emphatic
Speaker 3: about that. And again I didn't know that. Other kids, well,
Speaker 3: she said, you know that people you know, how did
Speaker 3: you remember that? And you were just a baby, and
Speaker 3: she said, you can't ever talk about that. Again. People
Speaker 3: don't know about little cities under the desert, and they
Speaker 3: certainly we don't know about intelligent life in the universe.
Speaker 3: And as the years went by, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I pick up little clues. When Look magazine came out
Speaker 3: with the Betty and Barney Hills story, Yes, my mom
Speaker 3: my aunt brought over the Look that that issue of look,
Speaker 3: and we heard sort of a heated argument going on
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, my cousins and I and we snuck
Speaker 3: up to the screen door and we heard the conversation.
Speaker 3: My aunt wanted to know what my mom thought, you know,
Speaker 3: and my mom said, from what I know and what
Speaker 3: I've learned, I believe that this story is probably true.
Speaker 3: And you know that I remember standing there and just
Speaker 3: sort of feeling the willies for the first time in
Speaker 3: my life. You know. I would think of wife and
Speaker 3: outer space, and you know, the great Kazoo from the
Speaker 3: Flintstones would come to mind as a kid, you know.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: But and something else that struck me is when Werner
Speaker 3: von Braun would come on to a Wonderful World of
Speaker 3: Disney show, my mom would kind of get excited and
Speaker 3: once she said, that's my friend Werner. He used to
Speaker 3: call me Betty Gray apparently. I guess maybe she worked
Speaker 3: with him. I know that he was stationed over at
Speaker 3: White Stands, but I think that they have a lot
Speaker 3: of these facilities. I've spoken with a lot of people
Speaker 3: about this. I heard somebody else's story just recently who
Speaker 3: just through synchronicity, was able to get a hold of
Speaker 3: me and her father had a very similar story to
Speaker 3: my mom's. And I know why they called it the city. Now,
Speaker 3: apparently in this facility, I mean he mentioned a shack.
Speaker 3: That was the word my mom used in the middle
Speaker 3: of nowhere in the desert.
Speaker 2: It's not like a fifty two.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but they said that they She said
Speaker 3: that they'd name all the different tunnels after different streets
Speaker 3: in New York, and they would give you an address
Speaker 3: and the number would be the door that they were
Speaker 3: supposed to take you to, and the guys driving in
Speaker 3: the little golf buggies would take you to the proper
Speaker 3: door and then they would let you out, and you
Speaker 3: were sort of on your own cognition. You'd have to
Speaker 3: walk up a staircase. In her father's story, and he
Speaker 3: apparently he and another engineer were sent out to this facility.
Speaker 3: They climbed the staircase to this door. They opened it
Speaker 3: up and there was a cat walk, and I guess
Speaker 3: the guy that was with him fainted on the spot.
Speaker 3: Her father, he didn't think and he wouldn't tell her
Speaker 3: what it was. My friend Dan Harrari, his father worked
Speaker 3: in the Department of Defense working on on drones, had
Speaker 3: different sorts of propulsion systems and we're used to And
Speaker 3: you know, Dan said that his father it was the
Speaker 3: same story. His mom told him about it, that they
Speaker 3: sent him out to a in his case at Air
Speaker 3: Force Base. They took him to an underground facility and
Speaker 3: they showed him something that changed his life. He came home.
Speaker 3: Why does a ghost What did they show him that?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Maybe a craft, maybe bodies, maybe both.
Speaker 3: That's hypothetical on my part, but it seems like there
Speaker 3: is this this story that it's funny. You know, all
Speaker 3: these our parents they took you know, the security os,
Speaker 3: and they didn't go public with it. But I guess
Speaker 3: that probably a lot of them couldn't. I couldn't keep
Speaker 3: themselves from telling their kids or their grandkids. So I
Speaker 3: think that the UFOs are going to be this disclosure
Speaker 3: is probably going to happen through this, you know, the
Speaker 3: next generation.
Speaker 2: You think it'll lappen though, I think that.
Speaker 3: I think we are disclosure, and I think that that
Speaker 3: the pressures are so great now. I don't think they're
Speaker 3: going to be able to tell the public or they're
Speaker 3: going to really drag a feed on things like visitation
Speaker 3: and abduction and things like that. But I think they're
Speaker 3: going to have to give the public the core story.
Speaker 3: It's already out there and there's such interest, and the
Speaker 3: attitude has changed. I mean, I teach a course in
Speaker 3: ufology and it's a credited course that I teach with
Speaker 3: a PhD. Over at Otis College of Art and Design,
Speaker 3: Yere next to Lax Airport. I don't think that would
Speaker 3: have happened ten years ago, but attitudes have changed, and
Speaker 3: it's a very interesting time that we live in.
Speaker 2: Well, when your mother was passing away in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: was she able to share anything else with you, any
Speaker 2: kind of confession.
Speaker 3: She doubled down on the fact that she had done
Speaker 3: what she said that she did, and she was still
Speaker 3: working as a headhunter for Northrope and all those companies.
Speaker 3: She did that right up to the end. When she
Speaker 3: did really tell me more was after I took her
Speaker 3: to see Star Wars in nineteen seventy seven. For some reason,
Speaker 3: it got her talking and she said, Son, you have
Speaker 3: no idea how close to the truth this film was.
Speaker 3: Star Wars is not far fetched, she said, the different beings,
Speaker 3: a different craft. It's really like that. But they're never
Speaker 3: going to tell the public. And so that was probably
Speaker 3: the most detailed talk that we had about this. I
Speaker 3: tried to get her to talk about Bob Bazar. That was,
Speaker 3: you know, literally on her death bed at that time.
Speaker 3: I heard the story.
Speaker 2: And how was she when she died? Sixty?
Speaker 3: Is she? My mom was seventy four when she passed away.
Speaker 2: Now there's a story of a Katie.
Speaker 3: Page right, Why your friend Katie?
Speaker 2: What do we know about this that she?
Speaker 3: Well, Katie has you know, she she has been studying
Speaker 3: this site. It's an old ranch that belonged to Howard
Speaker 3: Hughes called Mount Wilson Ranch. It's in Nevada, and the
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many acres you would have to
Speaker 3: talk to, would talk with her, but she'd be a
Speaker 3: good guest for you.
Speaker 1: But she.
Speaker 3: They found a this or what looks like they crashed
Speaker 3: crushed down purposely a bunker or something that was there.
Speaker 3: And there was an area that that bunker that they
Speaker 3: had intentionally messed up, that had cement poured in this
Speaker 3: square that would be just about the right size for
Speaker 3: an elevator. And they found another pit that was nearby
Speaker 3: where they found pieces of things like like it looked
Speaker 3: like you know, golf buggies really ornate lighting fixtures and
Speaker 3: things like that, and this stuff had all been buried over.
Speaker 3: And so Katie and I were actually speaking on a
Speaker 3: panel at Contact in the Desert and I was telling
Speaker 3: the story I just told you, and she said that
Speaker 3: she almost ran over to be on stage. You know,
Speaker 3: it was just the moment of synchronicity. So we think
Speaker 3: that there may be you know, that might actually possibly
Speaker 3: be one of the entrances to this massive underground complex
Speaker 3: that's out there.
Speaker 2: How big do you think it was?
Speaker 3: You know, I think at this point, I think they're interconnected,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be surprised if you know, there's there.
Speaker 3: I mean, my mom called it a city, and she
Speaker 3: meant that, and they named the streets after streets in
Speaker 3: New York apparently, so it must have been huge. But
Speaker 3: she said that there are a lot of people down there,
Speaker 3: and this is back in the mid fifties, so what
Speaker 3: would they have now.
Speaker 2: For goodness sakes, as you got old or all, your
Speaker 2: interest in UFOs probably accelerated, didn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, when my mom passed away, there was no chance
Speaker 3: of me getting the golden ticket from her again. And
Speaker 3: I read a lot of literature, you know, a few
Speaker 3: books and stuff. And I watched a lot of TV
Speaker 3: shows about UFOs, and you know, they would contradict each other.
Speaker 3: And I decided that the only way that I could
Speaker 3: really find out would be to put my own hand
Speaker 3: to it, and that way I would know that this was, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was doing an honest job and not looking for
Speaker 3: you know, not settling for sizzle instead of mistake, so
Speaker 3: to speak. And I heard about mof On. I I
Speaker 3: think it was through the Hair one show. Actually there
Speaker 3: was a later on. It was two thousand and fourteen
Speaker 3: that I first contacted Moufon. And I love the fact
Speaker 3: that any civilian it's an all volunteer organization that they
Speaker 3: use as close to the scientific method as possible. They
Speaker 3: have very very high standards, and it just looked like
Speaker 3: that was the right group to join. That you get
Speaker 3: a case load, it's a field investigator, and you get
Speaker 3: to investigate this phenomenon for yourself. And at this point,
Speaker 3: I think I'm on case one thousand and fifty or
Speaker 3: something like that. I've got a great team that I've
Speaker 3: trained myself and my chief investigator. I think you've got
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen field investigators now, and I would trust any
Speaker 3: one of them to go out on a case and
Speaker 3: to treat it with the highest respect and due due diligence.
Speaker 2: Now, these thousand cases, are these a thousand cases since
Speaker 2: you joined moufan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are just my cases. I mean, I was
Speaker 3: very busy. You followist twin. I grew myself at this
Speaker 3: and I told my state director at that time, and
Speaker 3: Jeff Kraus, he was my original mentor, great guy, and
Speaker 3: I told him, I said, hey, I want you to
Speaker 3: pile these cases on me. I'm going to treat this
Speaker 3: like a full time job, even though I was still working.
Speaker 3: I was still working as a nurse at that point.
Speaker 3: Now I'm retired. I really am doing this full time.
Speaker 3: But I worked really hard. This has been the greatest
Speaker 3: question mark. It's like a fifty foot question mark. It's
Speaker 3: been hanging over my head all of my life. And
Speaker 3: I feel like I've made headway. I feel like I
Speaker 3: understand a lot of this phenomenon. It seems like little
Speaker 3: bits of the puzzle they just keep almost assembling themselves.
Speaker 3: And I've also found that this phenomena is personal that
Speaker 3: a few poke at it pokes back. I've had a
Speaker 3: couple of very very interesting, kind of mind blowing and
Speaker 3: even scary at first, personal experiences with this phenomenon, and
Speaker 3: I know it's real. I personally, I don't need this closure.
Speaker 3: I already know, but I think that people deserve, everybody
Speaker 3: else deserves to know this. That you shouldn't have to
Speaker 3: go through all the hoops that I did to know
Speaker 3: something like this. It's one of those three great eternal questions.
Speaker 3: You know what happens when I die? Is there a God?
Speaker 3: And are we alone in the universe? I can tell
Speaker 3: everybody out there, we are absolutely not alone. I know
Speaker 3: this for a fact.
Speaker 2: Tell us about this visitation that you experienced, Well, that
Speaker 2: was the phenomena.
Speaker 3: Poking back is what it was. I was feeling kind
Speaker 3: of cocky. I think I had maybe thirty cases or
Speaker 3: something under my belt then with moufon for about six months,
Speaker 3: and I went up after closing a case. I think
Speaker 3: it was it was a mile hour balloon that somebody saw.
Speaker 3: Was it a UFO? Sadly h and my wife was
Speaker 3: already asleep. It's kind of late at night. I was
Speaker 3: shuffling pillows behind my back and I was just kind
Speaker 3: of lying back and our room starts filling with this
Speaker 3: blue light. It was getting brighter, but it had sort
Speaker 3: of almost like a narcoticizing element to it. Instead of
Speaker 3: questioning it like I would normally do. I'm an inquisitive person,
Speaker 3: a scientific person, I just sort of leaned back into it.
Speaker 3: I felt happy and calm, and long story short, I
Speaker 3: mean I experienced the Odds effect where sounds became muffled.
Speaker 3: You couldn't hear external sounds. We had crickets and the raptors,
Speaker 3: and hear crickets. I couldn't hear street noises. And this
Speaker 3: was a burbank, California. It wasn't a rural area. It
Speaker 3: was across from the old Chandler bike ap there they
Speaker 3: still have. Yeah, absolutely, Well. Anyhow, beings came into my room.
Speaker 3: I couldn't move a muscle and they opened up what
Speaker 3: I guess what you would call a portal for lack
Speaker 3: of better terminology, or Einstein rosenbridge somehow or another. They
Speaker 3: came through this opening in space. It wasn't through the wall.
Speaker 3: It came out of this opening. And I was scared.
Speaker 3: I was trying to communicate with them. I was familiar enough,
Speaker 3: you know, I'd read Bud Hopkins and such. I was
Speaker 3: trying to communicate with them. They weren't communicating back. They
Speaker 3: were all business four foot tall. It was your proverbial
Speaker 3: gray with the black eyes. They didn't seem to walk
Speaker 3: up to my bed. They seemed almost to float up
Speaker 3: to the bed, like a millimeter off of the carpet.
Speaker 3: To the best of my knowledge, I think that they
Speaker 3: took blood. I know they took energy. I felt like
Speaker 3: I was going to pass out. I felt like it
Speaker 3: was blood they were taking, and I thought that I
Speaker 3: was going to be one of those cows that they
Speaker 3: find alongside of the world.
Speaker 2: With no blood.
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