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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Frida Egg Golf Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison,
Speaker 3: and today we're doing takeaways from the twenty twenty four Masters.
Speaker 3: Later on will be joined by Andy Johnson and Shane
Speaker 3: Bacon for their takeaways. But in the meantime, Scotti Scheffler
Speaker 3: is your champion, and he completely outclassed the field on Sunday.
Speaker 3: It was an astounding display of strategy, ball striking, short game,
Speaker 3: even at times putting. This is Scotty's second major and
Speaker 3: second Green jacket, and it's hard not to project that
Speaker 3: many more major titles will be coming his way, though
Speaker 3: we should know from recent experience that nothing is guaranteed. Nonetheless,
Speaker 3: how can anyone beat Scotty Scheffler when he's playing like this?
Speaker 3: That's one of the big questions that I and my
Speaker 3: co host Joseph Lamanna will be tackling today. But first
Speaker 3: we're going to do our traditional in and out segment
Speaker 3: where we talk about what we're in on and what
Speaker 3: we're out on this week. Joseph, what are you in on?
Speaker 1: Garrett?
Speaker 4: I am in on the heightened emotions of championship golf
Speaker 4: and a lot of the moments that that provides. Guys
Speaker 4: are clearly on edge when they're playing majors, especially when
Speaker 4: the conditions are tough. It was super windy out there,
Speaker 4: it was exhausting. There are a lot of bogies. They
Speaker 4: are a lot of worse than bogie, and you saw
Speaker 4: some quite entertaining moments that made their way onto social media.
Speaker 4: I think you were particularly tickled by the Zach Johnson
Speaker 4: telling the patrons head Augusta to f Off.
Speaker 3: I mean, I loved it, and the press conference was
Speaker 3: even funnier.
Speaker 4: But those are the kinds of things that happen at
Speaker 4: major championships, right Phil at Shinnacock, I mean, Zach Johnson
Speaker 4: at Shinnacock. You get these outbursts from players that we
Speaker 4: don't see week in and week out, and maybe some
Speaker 4: of that is the increased per sizes and guys being
Speaker 4: a little bit more comfortable this year with all the
Speaker 4: money that's flown into that's flooded into professional golf, but
Speaker 4: we don't see outbursts very often. There were quite a
Speaker 4: few of them over the past few days, and I
Speaker 4: just think the heightened emotions that come with championship golf,
Speaker 4: it's something that I relish.
Speaker 3: So I'm in on that, yeah. And I think that
Speaker 3: the splitting of the main men's professional golf leagues has
Speaker 3: placed an increased intensity and focus on the majors, and
Speaker 3: so I think that we're going to see that more
Speaker 3: and more, where this kind of pent up energy is
Speaker 3: being saved for these four moments in the year. You know, Garrett,
Speaker 3: what are you went on? I'm going to slip in
Speaker 3: two here, but the first one really quick. I'm in
Speaker 3: on Tiger Woods shaking Vern Lundquist's hand behind the sixteenth
Speaker 3: green on Sunday and saying a few words loved. That
Speaker 3: got me a little teared up. You know, it's just
Speaker 3: a great moment. And if you haven't seen it, you
Speaker 3: listeners out there, go look it up somewhere. Just just
Speaker 3: do a Google search or a Twitter search or something
Speaker 3: and find that that moment between those two legends.
Speaker 4: On X and presumably Instagram ESPN posted a very cool
Speaker 4: video of that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, a little closer up and you got a
Speaker 3: sense for the conversation. Wonderful. The main thing I'm in
Speaker 3: on is Bryson Deshambeau's new and improved attitude. Like this week,
Speaker 3: he was great. He answered all the questions from the
Speaker 3: media good naturedly, even when those questions seem to be
Speaker 3: aimed at eliciting some kind of reaction from him. He's
Speaker 3: still a goofball, but kind of in charming ways. He's
Speaker 3: not nearly as whiny and petulant on the course as
Speaker 3: I've seen him, and he struggled at times this weekend.
Speaker 3: Maybe I just missed the miss those parts, but I
Speaker 3: didn't see it as much. He was expressing gratitude to
Speaker 3: the fans on a consistent basis now a couple of caveats.
Speaker 3: Putting on this kind of performance in the limelight for
Speaker 3: a few weeks a year is easier than doing it
Speaker 3: week in week out on the PGA tour. Like right now,
Speaker 3: he is less in the spotlight than he was before,
Speaker 3: unless you're really following live closely, I suppose. But even that,
Speaker 3: it just seems it seems like there's not as much
Speaker 3: scrutiny on what the players are doing, and so that's
Speaker 3: one thing. And the other caveat is, of course still
Speaker 3: not a fan of the live affiliation or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not. This is not an endorsement of him or
Speaker 3: that choice. But I just enjoyed him this week, and
Speaker 3: I thought that he showed something different, and he showed,
Speaker 3: you know, the Bryson that was in there that I
Speaker 3: suspected I would enjoy the kind of goofy, fun Bryson.
Speaker 3: He just showed that this week, as opposed to having
Speaker 3: that kind of layer of darkness over him.
Speaker 4: Garrett, I got close to writing this up, like, I
Speaker 4: think you're curious for how you feel about this. I
Speaker 4: think Bryson de Shamba is one of the most earnest
Speaker 4: and honest golfers in professional golf.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I think he's respectfully like kind of an idiot, and
Speaker 4: a lot of the things he's earnest and honest about
Speaker 4: are quite misguided. But I genuinely think that he believes
Speaker 4: everything he's saying to his core. Like one of his
Speaker 4: answers to one of the questions that was posed in
Speaker 4: one of his post rounds at the Masters was something
Speaker 4: around him being divisive, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm divisive at all, and he means that, like,
Speaker 4: I don't think he even realizes some of the decisions
Speaker 4: he's made, and like how it's how it has been divisive.
Speaker 4: And when he's talking about golf courses, like he fully
Speaker 4: believes what he's doing is correct. And I mean, I
Speaker 4: disagree with a lot of what Bryson says right, especially
Speaker 4: around equipment, but he does believe it, and there's something
Speaker 4: refreshing about his Candor, Joseph, what are you out on?
Speaker 4: I am out on the death of the importance of
Speaker 4: making the cut, And with so much changing in the
Speaker 4: professional golf landscape, you have the Live Tour fifty four holes,
Speaker 4: no cut events, and this is not a shot at
Speaker 4: Live because the PGA Tour and reforming its product, many
Speaker 4: of the signature events now do not have cut lines,
Speaker 4: and so we have lost the historical significance of top
Speaker 4: players going on these cut streaks. And I think we
Speaker 4: were reminded this past weekend with Tiger Woods making his
Speaker 4: twenty fourth consecutive cut at the Masters what a cut
Speaker 4: streak represents. I think they're meaningful. I think it shows
Speaker 4: that you made the weekend, you battled, maybe you were
Speaker 4: a couple off the cut line, you fought your way back,
Speaker 4: and that is now context that is going to be
Speaker 4: missing from the historical record at ninety five percent of
Speaker 4: professional golf events because cut streaks, you're just not going
Speaker 4: to be able to say anymore, Heyzander Schoffley has made,
Speaker 4: you know, thirty five cuts in a row because so
Speaker 4: many of those events are non cut events. But the Masters,
Speaker 4: in preserving its history and tradition, that's going to be
Speaker 4: one of the few places that you can say, like,
Speaker 4: there's a cut streak here, and I think it's significant.
Speaker 4: So it's sort of being in on the significance of
Speaker 4: making the cut and out on how we've kind of
Speaker 4: changed that in a lot of ways in professional golf.
Speaker 3: That's the nature of in and out. You can switch
Speaker 3: it around like that. Yeah, I mean Tiger at this
Speaker 3: point his career seems to have about thirty six holes
Speaker 3: to give, and I'm really glad that there was a
Speaker 3: cut line drama for him to engage in, because even
Speaker 3: if he was saying my intention, my only goal is
Speaker 3: to win this tournament, the cut clearly mattered, and he
Speaker 3: really put forth a monumental effort this week. On those
Speaker 3: first two days to make the cut, he played some
Speaker 3: great golf and then he was pretty exhausted after that, obviously,
Speaker 3: and did not play well on the weekend. But I'm
Speaker 3: glad that there was some intermediate goal for him to
Speaker 3: strive toward. All right, So what I'm out on, I'm
Speaker 3: going the architecture direction here. I'm out on the second
Speaker 3: hole remaining a par five. I think Augusta National should
Speaker 3: be a par seventy one. Now they're never going to
Speaker 3: do this. But you know, here's why I think this.
Speaker 3: All of the changes to that hole, including moving back
Speaker 3: to this year and pressing it to the left, have
Speaker 3: been to protect the par of five on that hole.
Speaker 3: And in the case of the second hole, these changes
Speaker 3: have not made the hole better. You know, before that
Speaker 3: a good half century ago, they put that bunker in
Speaker 3: the club, had George Cobb put in the bunker on
Speaker 3: the right side of the fairway, changing the nature of
Speaker 3: the whole a bit. They grew in the trees from
Speaker 3: the left side. All of this was done again to
Speaker 3: protect a par five that was vulnerable to scoring pretty
Speaker 3: early in its history. And I would argue that these
Speaker 3: changes haven't improved the hole. In the case of eight
Speaker 3: thirteen and fifteen, the other par fives at Augusta National,
Speaker 3: I think those holes are better as par fives because
Speaker 3: the layups on those holes are really interesting to me.
Speaker 3: The layup on the second hole isn't quite as interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you want to position yourself well for a versus a
Speaker 3: left whole location, but it's nothing like what you get
Speaker 3: on eight thirteen and fifteen in terms of like a
Speaker 3: really interesting lay up zone in terms of terrain and
Speaker 3: angles and all of that. So I want those other
Speaker 3: power fives to remain par fives, and lengthening those holes
Speaker 3: is meaningful and makes them more interesting. In the case
Speaker 3: of number two, I don't think any of this has
Speaker 3: improved the whole. I think it would be a terrific
Speaker 3: long par four. And if they were to clear out
Speaker 3: some of the trees on the left, maybe even take
Speaker 3: out that bunker on the right, maybe look at restoring
Speaker 3: the original green on that hole, which was very different
Speaker 3: and kind of preferred an approach from the left side
Speaker 3: of the fairway as opposed to the right. I think
Speaker 3: you'd have a great par four. Now does do I
Speaker 3: think par matters do I think they could do all
Speaker 3: of this and keep it apart five. I would be
Speaker 3: fine with that, but the club probably wouldn't be fine
Speaker 3: with that. So I think that changing the part of
Speaker 3: the whole would allow them, would free them up just
Speaker 3: to let that hole be what it wants to be.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I think what I was having trouble with as
Speaker 4: you started to unpack that take a little bit was
Speaker 4: parsing out the ways the distinction of par and if
Speaker 4: that matters at all, versus improving the hole. And it
Speaker 4: sounds to me like your emphasis would be on improving
Speaker 4: the whole, Like you don't like the way that it
Speaker 4: plays right now, it's not interesting, versus if you just
Speaker 4: flipped it from a five to a four, you don't
Speaker 4: solve that problem. So fundamentally, you'd like to see that
Speaker 4: bunker remove to increase the wit there and give people
Speaker 4: more options, And it just plays better under those conditions.
Speaker 4: It doesn't play better because there's a four on the
Speaker 4: card instead of a five. Do I have that correctly?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah. The point would not be to change the
Speaker 3: par The point would be to free up the club
Speaker 3: to stop making these changes that don't improve the whole.
Speaker 3: All right, So Joseph and I in a second are
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Speaker 3: of high level takeaways of our own from this Masters.
Speaker 3: What do you have right off the bat?
Speaker 4: Tell you what, Garrett. I think there's been a true
Speaker 4: changing of the guard. And one of my big takeaways
Speaker 4: from watching this Masters is that there are certain names
Speaker 4: we always associate with playing super well the Masters, and
Speaker 4: I think there are a couple new shares in town.
Speaker 4: We always think about Jordan Spieth as the Augusta specialist,
Speaker 4: and I don't mean to kick him while he's down,
Speaker 4: but missed the cut wasn't competitive this week, entering the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four Masters, of players who had played at
Speaker 4: least eight rounds at Augusta since the start of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, the top two names coming into this tournament
Speaker 4: by strokes gain per round were Will's Alataurus at number
Speaker 4: one and Scotty Scheffler at number two. Those golfers, yet
Speaker 4: again finished in the top ten. Obviously Scotty one, Will's
Speaker 4: Alaturus finished tied for ninth. As we think about Augusta specialists,
Speaker 4: some of those names who we've often associated with greatness
Speaker 4: here again like speed, like a Jason Day, some of
Speaker 4: those names, I think we need to start thinking about
Speaker 4: Scotty Scheffler and Will's Alatoris as the true Augusta specialists,
Speaker 4: and I'm really excited to see what they can do
Speaker 4: in future editions of the Masters. Are going to be
Speaker 4: guys that are staples of the top ten. So that
Speaker 4: was one of my big takeaways.
Speaker 3: I want to get into Scotty Shuffler a little bit,
Speaker 3: but first tell me about Will Zelatorus. Why is he
Speaker 3: in this category?
Speaker 4: Well, coming into this Masters, he have the single best
Speaker 4: strokes gain per round at Augusta and he's only appeared
Speaker 4: here twice, finished in the top ten, both times, gaining
Speaker 4: almost three strokes per round at Augusta, and he just
Speaker 4: finished ninth again. He's one of the truly great iron
Speaker 4: players of this era, at least he has been so
Speaker 4: far in his career, and he's shown that he's really
Speaker 4: comfortable on these greens, especially with the lag putting, which
Speaker 4: is a I'm not gonna say it's an underrated skill
Speaker 4: at Augusta. I think it's pretty appropriately thought of. But
Speaker 4: Will's altaurus can handle those shots, and he's shown a
Speaker 4: lot of touch with a short game here too, hits
Speaker 4: it plenty long off the tee. He's gonna be somebody
Speaker 4: who's doing well. And he's now played here three times
Speaker 4: three top tens, really impressive. And then obviously Scotty, he's
Speaker 4: already won here twice now, so I think people are
Speaker 4: it's well established that Scotti Scheffler's really good here. But
Speaker 4: I think this Zlaturus storyline may go a little bit
Speaker 4: under the radar and people will throw around Speef and
Speaker 4: some of these other names, but it probably Will is
Speaker 4: Alaturus that you need to be talking about in that spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a good find there, because I think
Speaker 3: I noticed that he did well in the in his
Speaker 3: past couple of masters, but maybe not as as well
Speaker 3: as he actually did now. When it comes to Scotty,
Speaker 3: obviously an Augusta Master already. What do you think it
Speaker 3: is about his game that suits him so well to
Speaker 3: this course? If you were to, if you were to
Speaker 3: like identify one or two things.
Speaker 4: Garrett, I'll keep this as succinct as possible, But I
Speaker 4: think a very powerful and underrated topic in golf is
Speaker 4: like the conditional tense that if this happens, how do
Speaker 4: you handle it? And if this or if this happens,
Speaker 4: how do you handle it? Almost like if you're a
Speaker 4: computer programmer, you're kind of used to thinking about this,
Speaker 4: like if the user clicks on this function, here's how
Speaker 4: it responds. If there's an error, here's how we handle it.
Speaker 4: And in golf, especially at Augusta National, there's a strong
Speaker 4: relationship between your iron play and your short game. If
Speaker 4: I execute this iron shot, here's where it's gonna end up,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna have a twelve footer or eighteen footer
Speaker 4: for birdie. If I don't, then I need to have
Speaker 4: the short game to get me out of that situation.
Speaker 4: And what's fascinating to me is that the one player
Speaker 4: that I heard articulate this is Bryson de Shamba over
Speaker 4: the weekend. I don't know if you heard this, but
Speaker 4: he said Augusta National is an intellectual golf course. It's
Speaker 4: a lot of if then else statements, and it's really
Speaker 4: interesting to me to hear somebody articulate it that way.
Speaker 4: It's definitely a way that I've long thought about golf,
Speaker 4: and I think, to answer your question, Scottie Scheffler has
Speaker 4: those if else questions answered. He's in a lie eat
Speaker 4: ball striker. He hits it far and he's magical short game.
Speaker 4: You can get away with some sloppy putting, some sloppy
Speaker 4: short range putting at Augusta. A lot of poor putters
Speaker 4: have had success there. But if I had to boil
Speaker 4: it down, that would be a somewhat succinct way of
Speaker 4: putting it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was thinking back on his round and trying his
Speaker 3: round today on Sunday, sinking back on that round and
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how many mistakes he made, and
Speaker 3: I came down on he was he was a bit
Speaker 3: short with his iron on one, but he was short right,
Speaker 3: which is kind of the good miss wasn't going long.
Speaker 3: He wasn't. He was never going long, which I saw
Speaker 3: quite a few players due to that back left pin
Speaker 3: position today and that's dead back there. You can't do
Speaker 3: anything all right, So that was a mistake, but it
Speaker 3: was kind of a good mistake. Then he was in
Speaker 3: the bunker, the fairway bunker on two, which is again
Speaker 3: you know, it's like not ideal, but it's not the
Speaker 3: worst mistake in the world. You just kind of get
Speaker 3: it out of the bunker and then you have an
Speaker 3: approach shot, and he ultimately made part. He wasn't striking
Speaker 3: the ball super well right at the beginning. I don't
Speaker 3: think he hit that approach very well. I forget exactly
Speaker 3: what happened with it. In any case, Then he was
Speaker 3: long on four. That was a mistake. That was like
Speaker 3: his one bad position on the whole. But I don't
Speaker 3: think that he was ever making double bogie from back
Speaker 3: there really like he'd kick kind of a middling chip,
Speaker 3: was short with it and two putt it, and it
Speaker 3: didn't really feel like he was in major threat of
Speaker 3: making double bogie. Then he was short with an iron
Speaker 3: on seven. I guess I can't really think of any
Speaker 3: other mistakes, like major mistakes, particularly in his round, and
Speaker 3: from that point on, I mean, he was conspicuously awesome,
Speaker 3: and so like, what is it about Scotty Scheffler. That
Speaker 3: allows him to get through around like that at augusta
Speaker 3: National of all places. And I think it's what you're
Speaker 3: talking about there, that that ability, that the if then else,
Speaker 3: and those answers to those questions.
Speaker 4: And it should not go without saying that Scotty understands
Speaker 4: golf courses. He understands where you can't miss and then
Speaker 4: takes it out of play and is unbelievable executing on
Speaker 4: his intended strategy. And then if if he miss fires,
Speaker 4: he's still going to be in a spot that's fine,
Speaker 4: and then he's got the short game to get himself
Speaker 4: out of that situation. So I do think it's worth
Speaker 4: calling out that we've talked a lot about Scotty's course management.
Speaker 4: Now it's become a hot topic, but like he just
Speaker 4: has this innate understanding of how to play golf courses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'm going to do my takeaway fairly briefly,
Speaker 3: but this is a takeaway really about the kind of
Speaker 3: position of the Masters and the popular golf consciousness, Like
Speaker 3: it's stature as a tournament. The Masters has not been
Speaker 3: all that competitive recently, if you judge competitive by how
Speaker 3: close the contenders are to each other at the very
Speaker 3: end of the tournament. The last time we had a
Speaker 3: playoff in the Masters was twenty seventeen Justin Rose and
Speaker 3: Sergio Garcia. Twenty eighteen, Patrick Reid won by one shot
Speaker 3: over Ricky Fowler, So that was pretty close, but Ricky
Speaker 3: kind of made a charge on the back nine, and
Speaker 3: so for a lot of that day it wasn't really
Speaker 3: that didn't feel that close. Twenty nineteen, Tiger was ahead
Speaker 3: by two going into the seventy second hole and was
Speaker 3: able to play for bogie. Twenty twenty, Dustin Johnson ran
Speaker 3: away with it. Twenty twenty one Hit Deecki ahead by
Speaker 3: two going into the final hole, able to play for bogie.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, Scotty was able to four putt and
Speaker 3: still win by three. Twenty twenty three, rom one by four,
Speaker 3: and this year Scotty pretty much had a stranglehold on
Speaker 3: the tournament from a men quarter forward. So hasn't been
Speaker 3: like a There haven't been huge fireworks on Sunday at
Speaker 3: the Masters recently, and yet in that time it seems
Speaker 3: like the Masters has only grown in popularity, grown in prestige,
Speaker 3: grown in stature, which I think is a tribute to
Speaker 3: the sheer quality of the tournament's execution. It's golf course,
Speaker 3: everything about what they do on site, everything they allow
Speaker 3: to happen with the telecast. It is the quality of
Speaker 3: the product and not necessarily the competitiveness of the final
Speaker 3: day that has made this tournament become more and more
Speaker 3: important and feel like more and more of an event
Speaker 3: over time.
Speaker 4: To the first point, very low variance golf course, and
Speaker 4: it allows talent to separate. So I actually don't think
Speaker 4: that we may have more blowouts and it's going to
Speaker 4: let the best golfers in the world perform. Well, maybe
Speaker 4: that won't lead to the most exciting finishes, but it
Speaker 4: is going to let the best golfers in the world win,
Speaker 4: just like we saw a Scotti. But I think what
Speaker 4: you're hitting on is a really interesting point. We've had
Speaker 4: so many arguments about golf courses and good because they
Speaker 4: produce a particular leader board or because they produce an
Speaker 4: exciting finish, and I don't think that's the right way
Speaker 4: to think about the quality of a tournament. It should
Speaker 4: be the quality of the golf and nobody does that
Speaker 4: better than Augusta National. So it's an interesting point.
Speaker 1: I like that takeaway.
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Speaker 3: the Masters. How's it going.
Speaker 5: It's great, you know, it's such a long week and
Speaker 5: it is. You're so happy to be there. It is
Speaker 5: a lot of work here, a lot of days on site,
Speaker 5: lots of days trucking around. I think like you know,
Speaker 5: as a as a media member who spend a lot
Speaker 5: of time on the golf course, you do feel the
Speaker 5: physicality of Augusta National. I think it's like it is
Speaker 5: maybe one of the underrated features of Augusta National. You know,
Speaker 5: one of the great architects of the Golden Age, William Flynn,
Speaker 5: used to always write about how he believed that a
Speaker 5: golf course should be a physical test as well as,
Speaker 5: you know, a test of golf skill and in many
Speaker 5: other things. But the physicality of Augusta National is no joke.
Speaker 5: And at the end of the week you stand up
Speaker 5: and you feel it in your legs.
Speaker 4: Do you think that like you're gonna that's going to
Speaker 4: change the way you approach your preparation for Augusta National
Speaker 4: each year and be getting on the stairstepper and you know,
Speaker 4: the same way that tie your woods limps.
Speaker 3: This man, this man ran ran a marathon.
Speaker 5: I ran I'm I ran a marathon five weeks ago,
Speaker 5: so I think I was prepared for it.
Speaker 3: So you were doing a little bit better than Tiger
Speaker 3: with with walking the hills out there.
Speaker 5: In other words, yeah, yeah, I I am doing better
Speaker 5: than him. I mean, it's crazy how it's like seemingly
Speaker 5: like a two round governor with Tiger at this point
Speaker 5: where he goes out and he shoots even par for
Speaker 5: two rounds and then it's just like the wheel.
Speaker 1: And I understand why.
Speaker 5: I understand why, but it's crazy to me that it's
Speaker 5: just like two rounds, you know, and he shoots these
Speaker 5: scores and he makes the cut and you're like, I mean,
Speaker 5: like on Friday.
Speaker 1: It wasn't crazy. I don't think Tiger.
Speaker 5: Wasn't out of contention on Friday, like he would have
Speaker 5: been a long shot, but you had to think that
Speaker 5: the people at plus one had a shred of chance
Speaker 5: if they played a great weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's insane to me.
Speaker 5: That then it's not insane, it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 5: just a crazy era of Tiger. And don't I don't
Speaker 5: know if four rounds is really in the cards anymore.
Speaker 5: And I think it's like, it's not unfair to ask
Speaker 5: that question.
Speaker 3: You know what it kind of makes me excited for
Speaker 3: in a weird way, is tgl Because I mean, my
Speaker 3: interest in golf that's not on a golf course is
Speaker 3: fairly limited. But to the extent that I'm interested in it,
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see Tiger hit golf shots without needing
Speaker 3: to walk the course. I think that that could be
Speaker 3: really interesting because he proves every time he makes the
Speaker 3: cut at the Masters on one leg or maybe like
Speaker 3: a half a lie, that he can still hit wonderful
Speaker 3: golf shots. That's not really the question. The question is
Speaker 3: how much can his body bear in between shots?
Speaker 5: Hey, do you think do you think that makes you
Speaker 5: a Jupiter Links fan?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna have to learn the names of
Speaker 3: the teams, because the only one I know at this
Speaker 3: point is the Boston Ballfrogs. And I know there's a
Speaker 3: New York team with legendary New Yorkers Andrew Schoffle on it,
Speaker 3: but otherwise completely ignorant. So I'm gonna have to figure
Speaker 3: out my affiliation. Maybe we can do a podcast about that.
Speaker 3: Why don't we get into some stuff here. Let's get
Speaker 3: into your into one of your big overarching takeaways, Andy,
Speaker 3: and see where it goes from there.
Speaker 5: I know you guys have already talked about Scotty, but
Speaker 5: it's hard for that not to be the overarching takeaway.
Speaker 5: I just I think, like my biggest takeaway is I
Speaker 5: get there.
Speaker 1: They're twined. We'll do like the golf course.
Speaker 5: I think, like everybody, we obsess over this idea that
Speaker 5: Augusta National is this. You know, we talk about for
Speaker 5: weeks leading in what's the trait that you needed Augusta
Speaker 5: National approach?
Speaker 1: Play it? It's this, It's this, And.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, what you needed, Augusta
Speaker 5: National is you need to be really good at everything.
Speaker 5: Because over the course of seventy two holes, especially this
Speaker 5: week in the firmness and with the firmness, the pace
Speaker 5: of the golf course, and just how unrelenting it was
Speaker 5: for these guys. You have to be without weakness because
Speaker 5: of that golf course. Just as soon as you're uncomfortable,
Speaker 5: it prays on it. And it's it's an amazing golf
Speaker 5: course in the sense that you have these shots that
Speaker 5: are ridiculously hard, and you know they're ridiculously hard, but
Speaker 5: the only way to accomplish them is to swing without fear,
Speaker 5: without anything in your head, any clutter in your head.
Speaker 5: And I think Scotty, it's just like amazing to see
Speaker 5: how many fairways he hits, like he's always in play
Speaker 5: off the tee. Seemingly he's the best iron player in
Speaker 5: the world right now. I don't think it's a stretch
Speaker 5: to say that he's, you know, in the top three
Speaker 5: or four in short game. And the only thing that's
Speaker 5: a little bit shaky is the putter, which has been
Speaker 5: a lot better since he switched to the mallet. And
Speaker 5: I think, like you go out there and I think
Speaker 5: the I think the players know that Scotty's better than them.
Speaker 1: I think the.
Speaker 5: Players all the way up to the very very best
Speaker 5: players in the world know that Scotti Scheffler is the
Speaker 5: best player in the world right now. And I don't
Speaker 5: think we've really been here. We've been in this place
Speaker 5: since Tiger Woods, whereas you know, and I think like
Speaker 5: Rory probably had it in twenty fourteen. I think that's
Speaker 5: that's that's one place that we had it. But other
Speaker 5: than that, we haven't seen this where I think other
Speaker 5: players in the locker room, like elite players, top fifteen players,
Speaker 5: know that Scotty Scheffler's better at golf than them.
Speaker 4: Any I don't know how much time you spent in
Speaker 4: Scotty Scheffler's group over the past few days, but one
Speaker 4: thing that stands out to me about Scotty kind of
Speaker 4: goes along with his mindset and how he thinks about
Speaker 4: a lot of things and just controlling what he can control.
Speaker 4: But Scotty seems to flush bad shots out of his
Speaker 4: memory so quickly and follow up a bad shot with
Speaker 4: something that's just flawlessly executed. It kind of goes to
Speaker 4: what you're saying, if you're uncomfortable and it things can
Speaker 4: unravel on you. Scotty doesn't let that happen. He followed
Speaker 4: up a bad bogie on seven with a string of
Speaker 4: birdies over his next nine holes. Curious if you saw
Speaker 4: any moments from him where you thought like, well, maybe
Speaker 4: there's a crack in the foundation here, and then he
Speaker 4: just followed it up by flushing a shot. Because I
Speaker 4: feel like that's the story of Scotty Scheffler in the
Speaker 4: last four days.
Speaker 5: I thought the moment was on Saturday after he made
Speaker 5: a double on ten, and you know, it was just
Speaker 5: it was kind of shaky there.
Speaker 1: He bogeyed was it eleven? Also?
Speaker 5: Uh so you finished, he went double and then bogie
Speaker 5: and it kind of looked like he was escorting himself
Speaker 5: out of the tournament.
Speaker 1: And and then.
Speaker 5: You know, he gets he missed the green on twelve
Speaker 5: and it's like okay, like this guy's on the ropes
Speaker 5: and it you know, I think part of this is
Speaker 5: that nobody took the ball and ran, you know. The
Speaker 5: I think like everybody was kind of stuck in neutral
Speaker 5: that was that was there. The only person moving up
Speaker 5: the leaderboard on Saturday was more Kawa, but like Homa
Speaker 5: was kind of stuck and Ludwig obviously moved up. Homa
Speaker 5: was stuck Bryce and was going backwards like and Scott,
Speaker 5: he's in the spot and then you know, he rolls
Speaker 5: in an eagle pot. I mean he rolls in twenty
Speaker 5: five foot or for eagle, and it's like, oh, never mind,
Speaker 5: he's back. It's and it's just you know, there was
Speaker 5: an air of inevitability on Thursday. I mean you walk
Speaker 5: around the media center and people are like, this tournament's
Speaker 5: already over because they see him there.
Speaker 1: And I think that that.
Speaker 5: Is starting to circulate in the locker room, and that's
Speaker 5: very Tiger like. I don't think you can say this,
Speaker 5: he's not. People are gonna rush to say like he's
Speaker 5: the next Tiger. And I a patron was telling me this.
Speaker 5: A young patron was telling me this, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, Scotty's a lot older than when Tiger started
Speaker 5: doing this. And you know, I don't I don't think
Speaker 5: it's necessarily like fair to call him that, you know
Speaker 5: this this much in but I think there's like a
Speaker 5: real Tiger like quality because like, listen, like he he
Speaker 5: made that run and it was a tie ball game.
Speaker 5: Everybody had a good chance, and he makes this run,
Speaker 5: he makes three birdies and then like within minutes of
Speaker 5: each other, everybody he falls apart.
Speaker 3: That's the thing is that, you know, yes, unbelievably dominant,
Speaker 3: surely competent performance from Scotty Scheffler on Sunday. And competent,
Speaker 3: I'm not using as like, you know, faint praise or anything.
Speaker 3: His game was just so together, and yet he did
Speaker 3: bogey the eleventh hole. He did hit a couple of
Speaker 3: squirrely irons on the first couple of holes that there
Speaker 3: was a window.
Speaker 1: Right the eleventh hole was masterful, though.
Speaker 5: He hit the approach exactly where he you know, you
Speaker 5: just watched two of the last four the two of
Speaker 5: the four competitors that had a shot hit it the
Speaker 5: one place he can't hit it on that hole, Scotty
Speaker 5: hit it exactly where he was aiming, Like, I'm convinced
Speaker 5: that he hit it exactly where he was looking, because
Speaker 5: that ball ended in a spot that there was no
Speaker 5: possible realm of outcomes that he was going to walk
Speaker 5: away with more than worse than a five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but in any case, it was a bogue.
Speaker 3: He didn't get up and down from there. But basically
Speaker 3: as soon as he walked off the eleventh green, everybody
Speaker 3: else had backed up three or four steps. You know,
Speaker 3: Scotty may have backed up one step on eleven, very
Speaker 3: tough hole understandable to do that. But then all around
Speaker 3: him Morikawa in the pond, Aberg before him in the pond,
Speaker 3: Homa on twelve, over the green in the bushes, so
Speaker 3: people kind of cleared the space for him, and from
Speaker 3: that point on it was just like that there was
Speaker 3: no chance.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Did you get the impression Andy that when you were
Speaker 3: on site, by the time Scotty Shuffler was walking out
Speaker 3: of Amen corner, that it was just over like there
Speaker 3: was there was no chance.
Speaker 5: I mean, the way you put the gas pedal down
Speaker 5: was super impressive and didn't give up. I will say
Speaker 5: to me something stood out on Sunday that the second
Speaker 5: most complete player in contention was Ludwig. He seems to
Speaker 5: be like, to me, one of the players that could
Speaker 5: match Scottie Colin morikawaan is in his post round presser,
Speaker 5: uh he or not press or just like scrum the
Speaker 5: little quick quotes area, uh he. He kind of talked
Speaker 5: about how Scotty is just better than him. You know,
Speaker 5: it was very revealing the quotes, you know, about how
Speaker 5: he's hitting less clubs, how how he's so good, like
Speaker 5: his short game is so good, and I think, like,
Speaker 5: to me, the the person that was up for the task,
Speaker 5: and I don't think it was a mistake. I think
Speaker 5: it was just a bad swing. The cost him was
Speaker 5: lud Big.
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about Oberg a little bit,
Speaker 3: because you know, I think he's the other big story.
Speaker 3: How much golf did you watch from from lud Big
Speaker 3: this week?
Speaker 5: I watched a good amount today and I think that's
Speaker 5: like obviously, I mean, you're talking about a guy that
Speaker 5: last year was playing I think in the Thunderbird the
Speaker 5: ASU tournament this weekend, and now I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 5: where in the world rankings he's gonna go. I'm assuming
Speaker 5: he's gonna be about six or so. He's sixth, let's see,
Speaker 5: he's seventh in the world rankings. And he's made his
Speaker 5: debut at of course that's been very, very difficult for
Speaker 5: players to debut at. He makes his major and Masters
Speaker 5: debut and finish finish his second solo second. I just
Speaker 5: I it was pretty unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I think like.
Speaker 5: We have a tendency in the media of heaping like
Speaker 5: unrealistic expectations on people, and I think that's gonna happen
Speaker 5: with with loud Big. But maybe he's ready for it,
Speaker 5: and the golf swing seems so simple, The short game
Speaker 5: looks tidy, the putting stroke looks good, and I just
Speaker 5: I think the there's I think this is just gonna
Speaker 5: be more though of what's coming. To be completely honest,
Speaker 5: I think there's so much talent in the young ranks
Speaker 5: of golf that we're gonna see more and more players
Speaker 5: like Ludvig on that.
Speaker 4: Not to jump around too much, but to go back
Speaker 4: to Scotty for a second, this is the most confident
Speaker 4: I've been in a player to rack up more major
Speaker 4: championship trophies over the next five years than like anybody
Speaker 4: in recent memory. But at the same time, the history
Speaker 4: of golf is that anytime you feel that way, like
Speaker 4: it always ends up proving you wrong and golfers fall
Speaker 4: apart like that, it just happens. I mean, Andy, where
Speaker 4: are you on like the certainty of Scheffler's career, because
Speaker 4: there's so many lessons that we should be cautious with this,
Speaker 4: But I'm like, I think Scotty's gonna win two more
Speaker 4: Green jackets.
Speaker 5: So since since twenty twenty two Phoenix, he's won five
Speaker 5: PGA Tour events, just like, you know, a couple signature events.
Speaker 5: I think there's a playoff event in there. So he
Speaker 5: went to Arnold Palmers, a waste management that had stack Field,
Speaker 5: and then I think he won another playoff event. But
Speaker 5: then he has two players and two masters in that time.
Speaker 5: If I was going to say it, like setting over under,
Speaker 5: if I said five and a half majors, what side
Speaker 5: of it would you take?
Speaker 4: It's such recency bias, But I'm I'm so tempted to take.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty tempted to take the over on that, and
Speaker 4: I know that that's the side that I shouldn't take.
Speaker 4: But I think Scotty's gonna win at least one more masters.
Speaker 4: I feel confident in that, and to get three more
Speaker 4: somewhere else feel very reasonable to me, how about you, Garrett?
Speaker 3: I never know what to say to these questions, because
Speaker 3: there are so many, so many examples of predicting that
Speaker 3: players are going to win a certain amount of majors
Speaker 3: that now seem utterly ridiculous in retrospect. And maybe that's
Speaker 3: the point an exercise like this, to create some tape
Speaker 3: that can be used later and be laughed at. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just just jam me up, you know. But Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel like he's heading towards the over like, doesn't
Speaker 3: doesn't it feel like Scotty Shuffler should be headed towards
Speaker 3: a Tom Watson type major record kind of? At least
Speaker 3: doesn't it feel like his form, his game is more
Speaker 3: impressive than Brooks Koepkaz.
Speaker 1: What would you say?
Speaker 3: Doesn't it feel Doesn't it feel like he's a more
Speaker 3: complete player than than Rory McElroy. I don't know. This
Speaker 3: is all we're living in our current moment. Back in
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, it felt like Rory was gonna win ten majors,
Speaker 3: that he was the heir apparent, he was the guy
Speaker 3: after Tiger, And it hasn't worked out that way, at
Speaker 3: least so far. He's got some time left. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, have we had a player, even Rory in
Speaker 3: the midst of his twenty fourteen run, Have we had
Speaker 3: a player like where when he starts rolling before the tournament,
Speaker 3: you're saying, I don't I don't think anybody but Scotty's
Speaker 3: gonna win this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I I'm going to take the under.
Speaker 1: Because there's no danger in it.
Speaker 5: Well, it's just hard, yes, when you're talking about winning
Speaker 5: winning six majors. He's had two, and it's not like
Speaker 5: getting the two has been easy for him, you know,
Speaker 5: it's twice he's been The thing that that gives you
Speaker 5: reason for it is that he's never not going to
Speaker 5: be around. I think he's played fifteen majors since twenty twenty, so, like,
Speaker 5: you know, not like that's we're at almost four years
Speaker 5: or we're at four plus years of majors, fifteen majors,
Speaker 5: and he's got he's got ten top tens, so like,
Speaker 5: you know, he's going to be there. Sixty six percent
Speaker 5: of the time he's finishing top ten in majors, so
Speaker 5: he's gonna be there. But winning these is really hard,
Speaker 5: and there are like breaks that go along the way
Speaker 5: with winning these. And you know, I just think about,
Speaker 5: like the start to the tournament, how his ball stayed
Speaker 5: on that bank and he and he chips and he
Speaker 5: holds a bunker shot on twelve. If that ball doesn't
Speaker 5: hit the cup, and I know it did. If that
Speaker 5: ball doesn't hit the cup, it's a bogie, and he
Speaker 5: makes probably another bogie, and that's literally four shots. He
Speaker 5: has this amazing way and this could be just a knack.
Speaker 5: The other day on Saturday, he started, he he didn't
Speaker 5: hit any like any good shots the first three holes
Speaker 5: and he was two under except for like a putt,
Speaker 5: you know, he had he hold a bunker, hold a
Speaker 5: chip shot off the green on one for birdie, and
Speaker 5: then he makes like a twenty five footer on two,
Speaker 5: and somehow it's almost Jordan Speith like. And this is
Speaker 5: why I think like the short game just doesn't get
Speaker 5: talked about as much as it should. It's always about
Speaker 5: the irons and well deserved, like he's a great iron player.
Speaker 5: But what one of the tournament where he played these
Speaker 5: three hole stretches, the three hole stretch to start Saturday.
Speaker 5: Somehow he played it two under despite not hitting good
Speaker 5: golf shots. And then on Thursday you talk about the
Speaker 5: stretch of twelve and thirteen when he hit some kind
Speaker 5: of shaky shots. He played so good that day, but
Speaker 5: he hit a couple of loose shots, and it's like
Speaker 5: most players walk through get through that and they're too
Speaker 5: over on that stretch.
Speaker 1: He got really lucky by.
Speaker 5: That ball not going in the water, but like most
Speaker 5: players are too over through that stretch, he's two under,
Speaker 5: like he just has this. It's the same thing when
Speaker 5: you go back to that Masters win two years ago
Speaker 5: when he chipped in on three, Like he just has
Speaker 5: he has beyond all the skills, he has a he
Speaker 5: just has a way with the moment. You know, whenever
Speaker 5: it feels like it's on the ropes, he does something miraculous.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 5: I really thought like he wasn't playing great, and then
Speaker 5: he hit that rope hook on eight and it just
Speaker 5: started this run, that eight, nine to ten run that
Speaker 5: just was like that just set set up the win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Scotty Scheffler certainly seems to have a
Speaker 3: knack for winning golf tournaments. When he's in contention. It's
Speaker 3: hard to think of many tournaments that he's kind of
Speaker 3: pissed away. But you know, he's emerging as one of
Speaker 3: these historically great players at Augusta National potentially or a
Speaker 3: generationally great player at Augusta National. And this brings up
Speaker 3: the subject of the course itself, right, you'd refer to
Speaker 3: this a bit earlier, Andy, I wonder if you want
Speaker 3: to expand on your thoughts a little bit about what
Speaker 3: you saw at Augusta National this week from the golf course.
Speaker 3: This is probably the best version of it that that
Speaker 3: you've seen on site.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, I mean I can't think of the last
Speaker 5: time we had augusta national firm. You know, it's been
Speaker 5: kind of plagued by rain. We've had like a firm
Speaker 5: day here, a firm day there. I mean this year
Speaker 5: we got like three really firm days. I think Thursday
Speaker 5: was fairly firm too. And obviously you had the wind.
Speaker 5: You have like a great mixture of wind weather, and
Speaker 5: then today you had the ability for people to go
Speaker 5: out and make some birdies. It still was so hard.
Speaker 5: I just think that this golf course when it's when
Speaker 5: it's firm, it has it. I mean, there's nowhere to
Speaker 5: hide out there.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 5: We we romanticize the the McKenzie and and some of
Speaker 5: the stuff that they've lost over time with with renovations
Speaker 5: that have been geared towards championship play. But it shows
Speaker 5: like what a golf course that has great owned has
Speaker 5: the financial means can do to stay relevant with technology.
Speaker 5: And there's only really one place that can do this,
Speaker 5: but this golf course. To me, I after seeing it
Speaker 5: this week, I don't think there's anything that like is
Speaker 5: even close as good of a test as this place
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 4: A big takeaway for me andy some the winner was
Speaker 4: at eleven under right and second place was at seven under.
Speaker 4: We had a golf course that's been lengthened so many
Speaker 4: times over the years. They unveiled a new tea box
Speaker 4: on number two this year. Last year was number thirteen
Speaker 4: that had been lengthened a bunch like the only place
Speaker 4: in the world you can do this is at Augusta National.
Speaker 4: And how the resources, the wealth they have to put
Speaker 4: this together. The takeaway I don't think should be like, see,
Speaker 4: professional golf is in a great spot right now, we
Speaker 4: don't need to roll the ball back.
Speaker 5: I think the take is I might have I might
Speaker 5: have had somebody affiliated with the equipment and say that
Speaker 5: to me today.
Speaker 3: And that's an example of why why you shouldn't roll
Speaker 3: it back. That's that's that's I really do believe. That's
Speaker 3: such a time I think, I think.
Speaker 1: I want to say that I think it was a joke.
Speaker 4: Fair, But I do think this this tournament should be
Speaker 4: an insight into what elite professional golf looks like and
Speaker 4: that we haven't seen much of it recently, and what
Speaker 4: it takes to put on such an elite test for
Speaker 4: the best golfers in the world. It takes an inordinate
Speaker 4: amount of resources land. The land has to be there,
Speaker 4: you have to buy land. Like that should be a
Speaker 4: huge takeaway for people from this championship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one thing you didn't hit on was like extraordinary
Speaker 5: golf design too, sure like it that should not be forgotten,
Speaker 5: like all the resources everything. What Augusta Nationals started with
Speaker 5: was a great golf course that continues to be a
Speaker 5: great golf course.
Speaker 1: And you know they're.
Speaker 5: Just it's just such a I mean, what's amazing about
Speaker 5: it is like I just don't think you can really
Speaker 5: hide anything, especially over the course of the entire tournament.
Speaker 5: What you don't want to do, you're eventually gonna have
Speaker 5: to do out there. We talked on the shotgun start
Speaker 5: a little bit, like is Pinehurst similar? I think Pinehurst's
Speaker 5: a great test, but like you saw that Kimer could
Speaker 5: put his way around there without having to chip at Augusta,
Speaker 5: like you can't survive without chipping. If you could, Lee
Speaker 5: Westwood would have like four Masters wins. And I think
Speaker 5: like if you think about like the players, like I
Speaker 5: thought markwa got a little bit of exposed today. I
Speaker 5: thought Max Homa played he had his best Major championship performance,
Speaker 5: but on the weekend it was very clear he didn't
Speaker 5: have the horsepower to keep up with Scotty, and I
Speaker 5: think the only one that was standing there at this point.
Speaker 5: And I think like other players, if they were in
Speaker 5: better form, John Rahm, Rory McElroy could have hung in
Speaker 5: the similar situation with Ludwig. But how many players in
Speaker 5: this field do you think could have gotten to eleven
Speaker 5: this week if they were playing great?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, that's the thing about Scotty is that
Speaker 3: his great is a pretty high bar to clear for
Speaker 3: anybody else, even if they're super hot. You know. An
Speaker 3: example of what you're talking about that I saw during
Speaker 3: the play on Sunday, the kind of complete test that
Speaker 3: Augusta National gives is on the thirteenth hole, where really
Speaker 3: in order to attack that hole you need to hit
Speaker 3: some kind of right to left shape off the tee.
Speaker 3: Scotty steps up there and he never like his ball,
Speaker 3: doesn't like move a lot with his driver, but he's
Speaker 3: able to kind of get it to nudge in one
Speaker 3: direction or the other. He nudged it to the left
Speaker 3: on thirteen and got in a good position. Colin Morikawa
Speaker 3: stepped up there and hit a fade just like really
Speaker 3: tight along that left tree line and managed to sneak
Speaker 3: it into the fairway. But it was clear like the
Speaker 3: margin was very very slim for that shot, and that
Speaker 3: was the shot he had. He wasn't going to be
Speaker 3: hitting a draw even on that hole, And you know,
Speaker 3: I think I think that that kind of thing is
Speaker 3: sort of why we saw Morikawa falter today, because he
Speaker 3: just didn't quite have the array of answers that Scotty did.
Speaker 1: And gear on that.
Speaker 4: I think we talked so much about curving the ball
Speaker 4: right to left and how important that is off tease
Speaker 4: at Augusta, you also have to be able to do
Speaker 4: that on some of your iron shots, Like I think
Speaker 4: the eleventh hole, the approach shot into eleven is a
Speaker 4: great example of where you do need to turn it
Speaker 4: from right to left, because if you try to hit
Speaker 4: some kind of cut that you can come over the top,
Speaker 4: pull it left into the water, hit some kind of
Speaker 4: wipe y shot way short right, the best players at
Speaker 4: playing on that hole hit a hard, long iron draw
Speaker 4: that starts a little bit right of that green. So
Speaker 4: I think there's just so many instances of variety on
Speaker 4: this golf course.
Speaker 5: Kalm Rkaus said in his post pressor he said, just
Speaker 5: about this what you guys are talking about. But to
Speaker 5: see what he's doing with his irons is crazy impressive
Speaker 5: because he's hitting every shot, he's moving both directions and
Speaker 5: it's something that I admired that hopefully I can get
Speaker 5: my game back to that kind of spot.
Speaker 3: He's talking about Scotty.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about it's.
Speaker 3: Talking about Scotty. Yeah, and he's not there, that's what
Speaker 3: he's saying. I'm not there right now, which is kind
Speaker 3: of an amazing admission.
Speaker 5: And you're talking about a guy that is probably one
Speaker 5: of the four three or four, like I would say,
Speaker 5: Scotty Tiger Xala Taurus, Colin Morikawa, those are those are
Speaker 5: like the four people on the planet that are the
Speaker 5: best at hitting irons.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I just, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, like, how many times in his life has has
Speaker 5: Colin moricaw have been like, you know what, that guy's
Speaker 5: a better iron player than me.
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly he couldn't have said that a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, when when Morikawa is far and away
Speaker 3: the best iron player in the world. But also something
Speaker 3: to keep in mind here, is that Morikawa has two
Speaker 3: majors and he's talking about Scotty Shuffler like he's Superman.
Speaker 5: Roughly, yeah, roughly the same age U two majors. I
Speaker 5: think they're a year apart in age. They have the
Speaker 5: you know, the same amount of majors, about the same
Speaker 5: amount of PGA tour wins too. But I think like
Speaker 5: something that you know, I I'm I'm probably more guilty
Speaker 5: than anybody on the planet at banging on the Players.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna steal your your your take, Garrett, what if
Speaker 5: the Players is worth a half of major, then Sky's
Speaker 5: at three? It feels like Sky's at three.
Speaker 3: It does. Yeah, I still stand by that take. I
Speaker 3: think if you if you work out the numbers, if
Speaker 3: you go through the history of the players and apportion
Speaker 3: the half majors accordingly, that you'll get a lot of
Speaker 3: numbers that kind of make sense for people like you know,
Speaker 3: Adam Scott and in this case, Scotty Scheffler.
Speaker 5: So because that's the thing that these guys are have
Speaker 5: like basically the same resume. If you don't do that,
Speaker 5: and then it's like, but that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem right. Yeah, but you know Scotty has gone.
Speaker 3: It's funny how this run is so similar to the
Speaker 3: run that he went on in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 3: so it just generates this extra question of is the
Speaker 3: putter gonna hang together? Are we going to see this
Speaker 3: run extend beyond the length of run that we've seen
Speaker 3: from Scheffler before and the length of run that we've
Speaker 3: seen recently from players like John Rum you know where
Speaker 3: for about what six months, Guy's unbelievable and then regresses
Speaker 3: a little bit. Scotti Scheffler did the same thing at
Speaker 3: the beginning of twenty twenty two, and so how confident
Speaker 3: are we that he's going to keep this rolling?
Speaker 5: Well, Garrett, this is the beauty of golf. The beauty
Speaker 5: of golf is that when you have it going, you
Speaker 5: never think it's going to leave, and then when you
Speaker 5: don't have it, you think you're never going to find
Speaker 5: it again. So this is like just the pure essence
Speaker 5: of golf, and us as commentators fall so often into
Speaker 5: the trap of a writing people off when they don't
Speaker 5: have it.
Speaker 1: Oh he's done. He may never get it.
Speaker 5: And I think like a lot of people probably are
Speaker 5: feeling that way about like Rory McElroy right now, Jordan
Speaker 5: Speith where they like they they're a little bit out
Speaker 5: of not there, even though Rory like has had two
Speaker 5: of the closest calls in the last two years of
Speaker 5: winning majors.
Speaker 1: On the flip side, you.
Speaker 5: Also get in this place where it's like, you know, Scotty,
Speaker 5: Scotty made ever lose again. He might he might do
Speaker 5: the Grand Slam, And I like, I think after watching this, like,
Speaker 5: what is Scotty's odds opening up at Valhalla?
Speaker 1: Like, is he gonna?
Speaker 5: I mean he was four to one this week, so
Speaker 5: he's four to one. These are like the highest odds
Speaker 5: that we've ever seen or lowest I guess would be
Speaker 5: lowest odds we've ever seen really since Tiger Joseph. What
Speaker 5: what do you think odds wise, we're looking at a Valhalla?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 5: Are we gonna get to like an I mean Tiger famously,
Speaker 5: like the even money stuff was nuts? Are we getting
Speaker 5: to like two to one or three to one?
Speaker 4: I think we could potentially get if we were to
Speaker 4: play this over again, I think he could be like
Speaker 4: maybe two to one. Augusta's a low variance golf course
Speaker 4: in a smaller field. I would guess if Valhalla, he'll
Speaker 4: be like four to one. That would be my guess.
Speaker 4: In an open championship, you have the wind, you have
Speaker 4: wave splits. I think we're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 4: Scotti Scheffler in the four to five to one range,
Speaker 4: and then maybe if he's in formed coming into Augusta
Speaker 4: next year, back down to like two to three to one,
Speaker 4: which is crazy. Those are numbers that I didn't even
Speaker 4: really think was gonna be in store for anybody over
Speaker 4: the past couple of years. But I think those will
Speaker 4: realistically be I'd be shocked if he gets lower than
Speaker 4: two to one at any tournament. If he does, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's just completely bananas.
Speaker 5: I think, like if you were wanted to like kind
Speaker 5: of dig in on Scotty, yeah, and like any like
Speaker 5: potential world. But like I think the putting's the one
Speaker 5: thing that people are going to look at and say,
Speaker 5: like this could hold him back. But like I mean,
Speaker 5: life is easy for Scotti Scheffler right now. He's having
Speaker 5: a kid though, like you know, like I'm not saying
Speaker 5: like the kids could ruin, but like you just think about,
Speaker 5: like golf's really easy when your life's really easy. If
Speaker 5: that gets like it all like makes it It's just
Speaker 5: gonna be different. You're gonna be and I it can
Speaker 5: be like I think like kids sometimes make golfers better,
Speaker 5: so this could make him even better. But it's just
Speaker 5: another variable for Scotty to deal with. Like I don't
Speaker 5: think it, you know, I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 5: great moment for him, and like I'm very happy for him,
Speaker 5: you know, But like that is that will be a
Speaker 5: question of like, you know, how's how do you handle
Speaker 5: being a father and a pro golfer.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Pro golf is like very like it's about being unself
Speaker 5: It's about being very unselfish, and it's it's a it's
Speaker 5: an individual personal pursuit.
Speaker 3: You mean, it's it's about being very selfish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very selfish. My bad.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so that's that's something that you have to
Speaker 5: have to like possibly put in there. I don't think,
Speaker 5: I like, I don't think it's going to affect him,
Speaker 5: but it is just another variable.
Speaker 3: Andy, thanks for coming on the pod. I'm going to
Speaker 3: let you get back to a little.
Speaker 1: Bit of writing here, all right. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Garrett joining us from Atlanta, Georgia, where he is in
Speaker 3: his hotel room after a spectacular week of calling. The
Speaker 3: action on the featured group's stream on Masters dot Com is,
Speaker 3: of course, Shane Bacon, Shane, how are you doing, Buddy Good?
Speaker 2: Long week, fun week, best week of my year. It's
Speaker 2: been my favorite golf tournament for a long time. I mean,
Speaker 2: I balance it with the Open. Every year I think
Speaker 2: we would get to July, it ends up being the Open.
Speaker 2: But it was a great week, my big So I
Speaker 2: have a takeaway from this week, and I think a
Speaker 2: part of it is the guy I watched today. So
Speaker 2: we had Neil Shipley in the group of Tiger right,
Speaker 2: the low amateur, and I talked him on Tuesday, and
Speaker 2: I remember I walked away from it. He was really
Speaker 2: confident and he had this extreme He wasn't nervous like
Speaker 2: I interviewed him for paying. We did like ten minutes
Speaker 2: or fifteen minutes or something. He was super chilled out.
Speaker 2: He was really easy going. And then he goes out
Speaker 2: there and he plays well in the first round and
Speaker 2: I was not surprised by that. Then he makes the cut,
Speaker 2: which the cut was pretty high played solid enough to
Speaker 2: make the cuts. That's good. You know, the cut the
Speaker 2: Masters isn't impossible to make, but he played well, but
Speaker 2: we have him on Sunday and he's playing with Tiger
Speaker 2: And first thing first is he goes up to Tiger
Speaker 2: at the range and said what's up to him? Which
Speaker 2: I thought was amazing. I mean, what twenty three year
Speaker 2: old kid would do something like that. And then he
Speaker 2: misses a five foot on one and I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, like this kid's gonna shoot ninety. You know,
Speaker 2: it's fine, Like it's fine if he shoots ninety, it happens.
Speaker 2: I mean, people, it's a big moment. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people around. And then he played the next seventeen
Speaker 2: holes even par. And my takeaway between this kid who's
Speaker 2: still a amateur that's gonna turn pro, and then Ludwig
Speaker 2: and his first major is literally in contention with seven
Speaker 2: holes play. This youth thing is serious business right now.
Speaker 2: And Scotty is the best golfer in the world. But
Speaker 2: you know, you get this sense right now that there's
Speaker 2: a changing of the guard on the PGA Tour. And
Speaker 2: Jordan played awful this week. JT played bad, bad, bad
Speaker 2: down the Street. It's the weirdest miscut maybe in Master's history. Right,
Speaker 2: These guys that we expect to be playing well at
Speaker 2: this time in their career are just not as good
Speaker 2: as this young crop. And I am so impressed by
Speaker 2: the confidence, the composure, the way these young dudes aren't
Speaker 2: scared of anything and just want to go out there
Speaker 2: and play good golf. I just feel like this is
Speaker 2: the start of it, and there's going to be more
Speaker 2: of these dudes that are twenty and twenty one and
Speaker 2: twenty two that are ouber talented and expect to be
Speaker 2: good right away. And that's my takeaway is Scotty is
Speaker 2: here and the next layer is below him. Much much
Speaker 2: for the down, But Shipley and Ludwig are aren't the
Speaker 2: only guys that are going to be available here at
Speaker 2: this age. We are going to get more and more
Speaker 2: of these dudes that are unbelievable at twenty one years old,
Speaker 2: that are going to potentially win majors at that age.
Speaker 3: You know, do you think that we'll start to see
Speaker 3: guys turning pro earlier as these returns keep coming in
Speaker 3: for guys who are twenty twenty one, twenty two years old.
Speaker 3: Ludwig is twenty four. I mean, having this kind of
Speaker 3: success in your early twenties kind of a new thing.
Speaker 3: So are we seeing a change here with when guys
Speaker 3: turn pro.
Speaker 2: Do you think I think there's a chance you might
Speaker 2: see people turn pro a little bit earlier. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, like you look at somebody like like Joaque
Speaker 2: Neeman and he's playing five Masters. He's twenty five years old,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean he turned pro early, and you
Speaker 2: know he's obviously developed into a really good player. My
Speaker 2: point is more the young guys not needing a year
Speaker 2: or two to feel comfortable in what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: It feels like they arrive at a stage and there
Speaker 2: isn't a fear of anybody. And I think that's more
Speaker 2: my point versus like there's gonna be seventeen or eighteen
Speaker 2: year old kids that maybe play in a US Open
Speaker 2: or play in a big moment event. Not all of them,
Speaker 2: but there'll be a couple of them that play extremely
Speaker 2: well and like potentially might win. I just feel like
Speaker 2: this sport is getting younger because they're teaching this kind
Speaker 2: of hard ass view of who you are, and even
Speaker 2: if you're smiling and chilling out like Ludvig's, ability to
Speaker 2: just stay in the moment is is a is a
Speaker 2: veteran thing to learn and he's twenty four.
Speaker 5: Shane.
Speaker 4: I feel like with Jordan Spief and some of his peers,
Speaker 4: we sort of had a similar conversation, like some of
Speaker 4: these young guys are really coming out ready to win
Speaker 4: right away. Do you feel like this is different or
Speaker 4: do you think every you know, five to eight years,
Speaker 4: we're just gonna cycle through a new crop of these
Speaker 4: young talented players. Maybe careers are going to get a
Speaker 4: little bit shorter. Does this feel different to you?
Speaker 2: I think it feels different because of the skill set
Speaker 2: that the young guys have. Jordan's Speed's skill set was
Speaker 2: he was able to golf better than everybody else, but golf,
Speaker 2: as you know, Joseph, more than anybody. Golf has changed
Speaker 2: so much that it's it's power power power. It's learned
Speaker 2: how to hit it dead straight in three point thirty
Speaker 2: and if you can do that consistently, you can kind
Speaker 2: of learn the other stuff. And I just feel like
Speaker 2: being able to hit it past everybody you're playing with
Speaker 2: gives you this kind of what is it machismo or
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, that that you're you're
Speaker 2: equal to or better than X. And you know, like
Speaker 2: I mean these like Christo played with these pros the
Speaker 2: other day he's hitting it three seventy, Like he doesn't
Speaker 2: know what to golf better than they do, but he
Speaker 2: knows that when he sees what they're able to do,
Speaker 2: he can learn it pretty quickly because he's got this
Speaker 2: incredible jumping ability. Or you know, this fastball that nobody
Speaker 2: can catch up with, and it's like, you throw it
Speaker 2: one oh five or whatever, I'll teach you how to
Speaker 2: to a curveball.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you know. As it pertains to Ludwig,
Speaker 3: everything he says, everything he does is state of the art.
Speaker 3: He is a product of all these advances that we've
Speaker 3: seen recently in golf instruction, how to swing, how to
Speaker 3: approach the game mentally, how to really do everything in
Speaker 3: a big time golf tournament to put yourself in a
Speaker 3: position to win. The way he talks about his approach
Speaker 3: is just spot on right. And a lot of these
Speaker 3: guys are like that. They grew up with that, and
Speaker 3: that's just such a huge advantage.
Speaker 4: Do you think that ten to fifteen years from now,
Speaker 4: we're still going to talk about experience at Augusta the
Speaker 4: same way that we do now, or do you think
Speaker 4: that the narrative is going to change to where these
Speaker 4: young golfers are so ready to play. Shane, that experience
Speaker 4: they're going to learn within a year or two a
Speaker 4: they need to do on this golf course. What's your
Speaker 4: opinion on that?
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. I mean I remember this
Speaker 2: earlier in this week. I was talking to somebody and
Speaker 2: I said, this crop of first timers is so good.
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if one of them won.
Speaker 2: And I mean this was four or five names. I mean,
Speaker 2: Hoyguard played great for whatever thirty eight forty holes or
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. It's these guys were right
Speaker 2: there and it you know, like, yeah, they don't need
Speaker 2: to they don't need to spend like six months talking
Speaker 2: to somebody about the golf course. It's like, oh I
Speaker 2: can I can get here in two and I just
Speaker 2: hit it on the green and if I three put whatever.
Speaker 2: It's it's just the power game. You know. What's so crazy,
Speaker 2: Joseph is I've been doing featured groups now, I think
Speaker 2: for four years I saw one person lay up on
Speaker 2: three and it was actually the amateur is the only
Speaker 2: iron I saw a hit on three for the week
Speaker 2: three years ago, calling this tournament it would be fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty, you know. I mean I don't have the
Speaker 2: data to back it up, but just by my memory,
Speaker 2: it would be you'd have three guys on it and
Speaker 2: one or two of the guys with iron every round
Speaker 2: and like literally one dude this week did it?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It just it's crazy that it feels like it's termed
Speaker 2: this much, this fast. But you know, you look at
Speaker 2: what Max Homa didn't do on Sunday, right, he kind
Speaker 2: of scaled back on a couple of swings that he
Speaker 2: wasn't comfortable with and he couldn't get to the par
Speaker 2: fives and two. These guys kind of don't do that,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, for better or worse, Like, even
Speaker 2: if they make a bad swing, I don't really think
Speaker 2: it bothers him that much. I mean, Bryson in a
Speaker 2: way is the first level of this. But the thing
Speaker 2: about Bryson too is Bryson was this brilliant golfer that
Speaker 2: leaned into the power thing. These kids are just power
Speaker 2: from the star.
Speaker 3: All right, Shane, we'll send you out of.
Speaker 2: Here, but sorry about my wife.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no problem. We made it through. But one
Speaker 3: one more question before you go, since you were on
Speaker 3: the featured group's stream this whole week and great job,
Speaker 3: by the way, you guys always kill it on that.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun to listen to. Great kind
Speaker 3: of way to wake up on the weekend in particular.
Speaker 3: But was there a moment during your coverage that you
Speaker 3: think maybe didn't get enough play but really struck you
Speaker 3: in some way?
Speaker 2: Well, did you guys see the did they show on
Speaker 2: the main telecast the video when Rory popped Harry in
Speaker 2: the face or no, it was.
Speaker 4: I was watching the amen corner feed, I believe when
Speaker 4: that came up. I'm not sure that ever made it
Speaker 4: to the main feed.
Speaker 3: That was funny.
Speaker 2: Oh, so that was that was awesome. I mean, he
Speaker 2: smoked him in the face, Garretty, he pulled the club
Speaker 2: up I think it was on fifteen or maybe maybe
Speaker 2: maybe thirteen or something, and just just absolutely just mashes
Speaker 2: Harry in the face, just straight up or cuts him.
Speaker 2: And it was just so funny because you could see
Speaker 2: they were so focused on this shot and they just
Speaker 2: both broke, you know, and it was a it was
Speaker 2: a pretty good moment. So it was funny. Our producer
Speaker 2: was auto replay on that. He's like, we'll see that again.
Speaker 2: And I was like, nice, dude. So that's a not
Speaker 2: very serious moment, but god, it made me laugh a lot.
Speaker 3: Shane, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Great to hear from you as always.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.
Speaker 3: All right, Joseph and I are back to do our
Speaker 3: final segment recommendations. Joseph, what are you recommending this week?
Speaker 4: I'm super psyched for the NBA playoffs, Garrett starts this week.
Speaker 4: We have the play in games on Tuesday and Wednesday night.
Speaker 4: The NBA has kind of tweaked their format a little
Speaker 4: bit with their season over the last few years, and
Speaker 4: this play in format has worked out super well for them.
Speaker 4: They're really exciting games and then you launch right into
Speaker 4: the rest of the playoffs. So like I'm setting a
Speaker 4: clock to the Tuesday and Wednesday night games. I can't wait.
Speaker 4: So we've got a lot of good to win playoff
Speaker 4: basketball coming. Catch me up here. I haven't followed Nuggets.
Speaker 4: You think are still favored Nuggets? I mean Nuggets really
Speaker 4: good chance. The Nuggets are coming out of the West,
Speaker 4: that's my picks, come out of the West, and the
Speaker 4: Celtics are the clear favorites to come out of the East.
Speaker 4: So there's a good chance we'll get another Nugget Celtics rematch.
Speaker 4: But the West is much deeper, so you could it's
Speaker 4: a little more up in the air on the West.
Speaker 3: I saw the Nuggets live. My son and I went
Speaker 3: to a Trailblazers game, and Trailblazers games these days are
Speaker 3: really about going to see the other team, unfortunately, but
Speaker 3: we got to see the Nuggets and they are kind
Speaker 3: of a magical basketball team. Just you know, what Jokic
Speaker 3: does is so unique. I've never seen a player like him,
Speaker 3: and just watching the way he kind of conducts the
Speaker 3: floor on offense is fascinating.
Speaker 4: So Garrett, sorry not to interrupt you, but last year
Speaker 4: I wanted to dig this up. I wrote a thing
Speaker 4: for Friday about how Scheffler reminds me of Jokic. Do
Speaker 4: you does that resonate with you at all? From watching
Speaker 4: it in person? I just feel like the distinct skill set,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look it can look a little bit funky,
Speaker 4: but they're absolutely magically.
Speaker 3: And they both kind of have that blocky build to them.
Speaker 3: That's what's that's what's really clicking for me right now,
Speaker 3: is that, like, although obviously Jokic is a lot bigger
Speaker 3: by a scale of a lot. They they both they're genius.
Speaker 3: They're both they're geniuses, and they you know, Scheffler kind
Speaker 3: of compared to most golfers is kind of like a
Speaker 3: bigger and heftier build. But what's so cool about his
Speaker 3: game is his hands, and that kind of is like Jokic,
Speaker 3: where the guy just takes up so much space on
Speaker 3: the floor. You look at him, he's the biggest dude
Speaker 3: on the floor. But what makes him special is like
Speaker 3: the little touch things that he does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, past, Yeah, you wouldn't expect scheffer to have as
Speaker 4: good a short game as he has, maybe, and you
Speaker 4: wouldn't expect Nicole Jokic to be one of the best
Speaker 4: passers in the history of the NBA. So I feel
Speaker 4: like there's no mention there.
Speaker 3: My recommendation is an odd one because I'm not recommending
Speaker 3: something I like here. But I just want to get
Speaker 3: people to watch this thing and like vibe with me
Speaker 3: about it, like get back to me about what you think.
Speaker 3: The movie You've Got Mail, the rom com starring Tom
Speaker 3: Hanks and Meg Ryan from the late nineties about two
Speaker 3: people who kind of hate each other in real life
Speaker 3: but are secretly conducting a kind of romantic type thing
Speaker 3: over email. I watched this movie a couple of days ago,
Speaker 3: expecting kind of a comfort watch. I hadn't seen it
Speaker 3: in maybe about twenty twenty five years, whenever it came out.
Speaker 3: I watched it then and hadn't watched it since. This
Speaker 3: might be the single darkest movie I've ever seen in
Speaker 3: my life. It is so dark and depressing. The central
Speaker 3: romance is full of kind of manipulation and gaslighting and
Speaker 3: just weird stuff. And then the overarching theme of the
Speaker 3: movie is basically about how corporations and the Internet have
Speaker 3: ruined all of our lives. And so I think that's
Speaker 3: what this movie is about. And I can't decide if
Speaker 3: it's like a brilliant commentary by Nora Efron on the
Speaker 3: downfall of civilization in the late twentieth century, or if
Speaker 3: it's just this movie that's completely unaware of its own darkness.
Speaker 3: And I just would recommend that people check it out
Speaker 3: and come to their own conclusions about it, and maybe,
Speaker 3: you know, if you have your own impressions, get back
Speaker 3: to me about what you think. What do you think
Speaker 3: of that recommendation? Joseph been recommended like that on this
Speaker 3: podcast before.
Speaker 4: No, But that's that's the fun Like occasionally when we
Speaker 4: do this segment, somebody will tweet or like message me, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I listened to that album you recommended, really liked it.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 4: Hey, will you come commiserate with me and tell me
Speaker 4: that you also hated this recommendation. This is a new brand,
Speaker 4: and I'm very.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is, I'm not sure if I hate
Speaker 3: it or if I kind of respect it for being
Speaker 3: this weird kind of you know, trenchant commentary on society
Speaker 3: disguised as a fluffy romantic comedy.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm sounds like you're leaning.
Speaker 1: I think you're leading.
Speaker 3: I think I do hate it. Actually, all right, Joseph,
Speaker 3: that's good for this episode. Thank you as always for
Speaker 3: joining me for the Master's Takeaway episodes. Always such a
Speaker 3: delight to do these with you, and make sure to
Speaker 3: get some sleep tonight.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me here at you too.
Speaker 3: This episode of the Frida Egg Golf podcast was produced
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Speaker 3: they do such great work. So that's my shout out
Speaker 3: for this outro. Thanks to the whole team. It was
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