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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,

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Speaker 2: and I just wanted to tell you that, just like

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Speaker 2: Santa Claus, good old Saint Nick, I'm keeping a list

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Speaker 2: and I will be checking it twice of.

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Speaker 3: Those who in this moment of extreme precarious betting Jeopardy,

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Speaker 3: some of you are waffley, some of you are fleeing

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Speaker 3: the prediction that has I have held fast.

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Speaker 2: I have held fast while O'Reilly told me I was

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Speaker 2: wrong on.

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Speaker 4: This show, Well, Tucker have said said that I am wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, lots of folks have taken the opposing

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Speaker 2: point of view on this one. And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you what has happened in just the last few minutes,

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Speaker 2: of course, and Clay has been saying all along that

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Speaker 2: it's going to be like Michelle Obamba or something. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, Clay, maybe you'll be the rock. Well, maybe

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Speaker 2: it'll be Oprah.

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Speaker 1: You know, God, anyway, it won't be Biden, which is

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Speaker 1: what we can be very confident about. Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: share with everyone the latest the latest person to question

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Speaker 1: your opinion?

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Speaker 2: There's there's another one hold on, wait, I want to.

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Speaker 4: Give you during the commercial, during the commercial.

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Speaker 2: Break, oh, how dare how dare you? How dare you?

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Speaker 2: My wife may have come in because she can hear

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Speaker 2: the show because you know, home studio, and she's like, well,

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I am now finally doubting Buck's precision.

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Speaker 4: I'm like honey.

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Speaker 1: During the show during the hour end of our break,

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Speaker 1: there Carrie Sexton, astute political observer that she is, walked

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Speaker 1: into the studio and said that she was thinking about

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Speaker 1: leaving Buck Island. She was quote losing confidence in your

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Speaker 1: pick even inside of the Buck. This is a what

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Speaker 1: Abraham leycol say, a house divided against itself cannot stand

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Speaker 1: the Sexton household now divided.

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Speaker 2: These are the times that try men's souls. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is where you see what you're made of.

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Speaker 4: When everyone's oh, he's gonna be replaced it, Oh, we've

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Speaker 4: got to panic and freak out.

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Speaker 2: As for first of all, we're gonna find a clip

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Speaker 2: and I will accept apologies to remember where I have said.

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Speaker 2: I just want to be very clear the steak bet

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Speaker 2: is Biden or Harris versus third third option. I just

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Speaker 2: want to be very clear that has been and you

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Speaker 2: can say that that's not but that is what I've

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Speaker 2: said all. I've said it one hundred times. I've said

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Speaker 2: it to Jesse Kelly. You know, if Jesse loses, he

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Speaker 2: has to take me to Red Lobster. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I'll make him take you too, just throw that in.

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Speaker 2: But he has to put the lobster bib on me

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Speaker 2: on video.

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Speaker 4: This is what we do, is the.

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Speaker 1: Bet with Jesse, because that's a more recent vintage, the

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Speaker 1: Red Lobster bet. Whether Biden's going to be the guy.

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Speaker 2: I say, Biden Harris, no third party and he says,

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Speaker 2: he says, it can't be either of them, be commonbody else. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I just want to tell you all wor things

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Speaker 2: stand now. And if you're wondering why we so focused

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Speaker 2: it is as though I take a little like little

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Speaker 4: It's very different.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, have you ever read Peter Peter Massey's I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: not Peter Massey. Is it Peter Massey? Peter the Great Biography?

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Speaker 2: Though it's really good, really good. I think it's Robert.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Robert Massey. It's the last name is

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Speaker 2: definitely Massy, but it's the Peter the Great biography. It

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Speaker 2: starts off with the Russian monarch Peter the Great as

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Speaker 2: a young boy and there's a horrific palace coup that

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Speaker 2: this stuff. It's very game of thrones, right, and he

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Speaker 2: figure in Russian history. But it's a horrible and bloody

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Speaker 2: coup and like the palace guards get overrun and everything else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is obviously just political and people making

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Speaker 2: I mean I understand that I still think it will fail.

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Speaker 2: I still think that they won't be able to do it.

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Speaker 2: And in this case, the coup is see and your

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Speaker 2: advisors showing him polls, Biden being confused hunter, you know,

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Speaker 2: trying to make sure nobody sees the bagging in his pocket.

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Speaker 4: Like it's very different. So you're one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred percent right here. So let's presume that you are

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Speaker 1: right that the Biden team so far is trying to

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Speaker 1: avoid being overthrown. Yes, how long do they need to

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Speaker 1: last to withstand the coup attempt? Because I agree with

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Speaker 1: So that's like they're if they're looking towards a deadline,

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Speaker 1: a date with which they must reach in order to

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Speaker 1: maintain the nomination. What's your thoughts as to how far

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Speaker 1: they need to go?

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Speaker 2: And just just because I like to be specific, so

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Speaker 2: there can be no if Biden is still the guy

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Speaker 2: by the start of the RNC. Biden's the guy. That's

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Speaker 2: my It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Change on July fifth, So you need him to last.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Biden guy, you need him to last

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Speaker 1: twelve days from now, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Because he's got right now.

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Speaker 2: You have to understand everyone that there are multiple factions

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Speaker 2: all vying. It's not like there's a united there's not

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Speaker 2: a United Democrat Party that's all trying to get Biden out.

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Speaker 2: Biden allies, Biden White House officials, Biden campaign officials are

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Speaker 2: scrambling to come up with some explanation as to how

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Speaker 2: he can stay in and why he can get this done.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be fighting over polls. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of jocking going on behind the scenes. And the latest update,

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Speaker 2: by the way, from this phone call, is that Biden

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Speaker 2: has told this is the main story on CNN right now.

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Speaker 2: Biden tells Ally that the coming days are key to

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Speaker 2: saving his reelection campaign and the breaking news they have.

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Speaker 2: As the President has privately made clear he understands what

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Speaker 2: would prompt him to accept that it's just not working. Though,

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Speaker 2: I think Biden is basically is playing for time here

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Speaker 2: and saying, give me a few more days, let me

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Speaker 2: go out and do my thing, Let's let the holiday pass,

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Speaker 2: give me some public appearances, give me the Stephanopoulos interview,

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Speaker 2: which is not going to be live, by.

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Speaker 4: The way, and let's see where I am.

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Speaker 2: I think that what he that the concession that Biden

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Speaker 2: has made is essentially I get it. I know that

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Speaker 2: it's precarious right now, but I want more time to

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Speaker 2: And I think if Biden has a few good days

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Speaker 2: And I know people think that that's totally nuts, but

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Speaker 2: you've got to remember if I told you that they

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Speaker 2: pretended Biden was in Sena for the last four years, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's nuts, and that is exactly what they

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Speaker 2: So we live in a crazy world.

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Speaker 1: So I am let me be clear on this. I'm

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Speaker 1: in favor of Biden being the guy. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Kamala is good, but she has a functional brain, and

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Speaker 1: I know that they will try to define her as

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Speaker 1: the modern day Nelson, Mandela.

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Speaker 4: Martin Luther King Junior.

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Speaker 1: They will go out and try to convince you that

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Speaker 1: her election is the most important thing that has ever

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Speaker 1: how the media is going to work, and some people

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Speaker 1: might buy it on Kamala. I think everybody's made up

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Speaker 1: And we mentioned about yesterday the polling that's out that

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Speaker 1: losing Maine, losing Minnesota, and losing Virginia in addition to

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Speaker 1: all the swing states. Based on the Biden camp's own polling. Remember,

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Speaker 1: whatever we are seeing that is released publicly is probably

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Speaker 1: not as good as the data that the campaigns themselves have,

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Speaker 1: And they're spending millions and millions of dollars for daily

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Speaker 1: tracking polls. They're looking at analytics data all the time,

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Speaker 1: better stuff. And that's why I think the reaction internally

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Speaker 1: has been so bad. But to your point, Buck, the

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Speaker 1: call they just had with Jeff Zenz I flagged this.

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Speaker 1: They just had a call. He said, July fourth one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite holidays. This is according to Alex Thompson.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have a great night. That was one night.

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Speaker 1: What we all know is he's a great president. He

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Speaker 1: says he has three points than two of them are shared.

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Speaker 1: Put your head down, execute, execute, execute, hold your head

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Speaker 1: high at the same time, because this president has accomplished

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Speaker 1: so much, as almost everybody knows. I'm obsessed with teams.

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Speaker 1: This is Biden's chief of staff. We need to stay

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Speaker 1: together as a team. Have each other's back. The president

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Speaker 1: and this team has been through the highest of highs,

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Speaker 1: People are looking for chatter, tune it out. That is

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Speaker 1: the message from inside of the Biden campaign today. Don't

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Speaker 1: ABC News perspective is right now on Biden. Does Stepanopholis

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Speaker 1: to end the Biden presidency or is he going in

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Speaker 1: to rehab the Biden presidency, burnish him and try to

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Speaker 1: keep him as the nominee.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Willing to buy the Oh, they don't really know what

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Speaker 2: Very very I think very clearly that this is just

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Speaker 2: an effort. This is his last chance. The Stephanopoulos slash

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Speaker 2: the next few days, I mean, but that's this is

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Speaker 2: his opportunity to come back, and I'll tell you this, Biden,

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Speaker 2: I've seen him in recent months much better than he

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Speaker 2: was of the debate. Yeah, so I think we should

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Speaker 2: all be very honest.

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Speaker 1: I expected him to be far better than he was.

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Speaker 1: You and I were both shocked by how awful he was.

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Speaker 2: Because usually what he does is he does you know,

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Speaker 2: he grants his smiles, and he gets in his little phrases,

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Speaker 2: and he kind of yells some stuff. And even if

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit like crazy old man, it's crazy

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Speaker 2: old man who still has energy and still has vitality. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that's just the show. But what we saw

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Speaker 2: was like meek oldman who should be feeding the ducks

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Speaker 2: from a wheelchair somewhere. I mean, it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't possible to come away seeing him and think

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Speaker 2: that he was up for this. But I think that

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Speaker 2: they're going to try to give him one more shot

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Speaker 2: here to turn this all around, because I still haven't

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Speaker 2: seen a poll that shows anyone doing better against Trump

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Speaker 2: And what does that tell you? And Trump is a

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Speaker 5: Now we know there are people on the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: been Biden saying that he knows he had a bad night,

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Speaker 2: that's where we stand right now. Also on the scurless

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Speaker 2: But Producer Ali is technically a cat lady.

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Speaker 1: Oh now you're going to try to curry favor by

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Speaker 1: You are a cat lady in some way. You've had

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Speaker 1: Do you understand Jc's scorn and disdaining that she felt

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Speaker 6: There absolutely understand her ire at Buck. However, Wow, animal lady,

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Speaker 2: First of all, the dog lovers listening are like, we

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: We know how, we know how kicked off buckets when

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Speaker 1: This is a the Buck Island is the felines are unwelcome,

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Speaker 2: This is just a fusillade of disinformation from Clay like

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Speaker 1: You're a history guy, Buck, you are George Pickett. Right

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Speaker 1: So I do think you're right that there's about twelve

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm telling you right now, with each passing minute,

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Speaker 2: they really they threw everything they had at it. Right

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Speaker 2: That phone call was not a session phone call, and

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Speaker 2: Again, if they had somebody else, whether it was the

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Speaker 2: person thing, which is never going to happen. But if

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Speaker 2: they had somebody else that was polling two or three

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Speaker 2: points ahead of Trump at this point, you know, just nationally,

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Speaker 2: this would look different.

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Speaker 4: Love.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate Trump card is that the only one who

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Speaker 2: can defeat Trump based on the numbers right now, I

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Speaker 2: mean I'm when I say Ken, I don't think he will.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean is Joe Biden. The only

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Speaker 2: one who's competitive is Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Here's how aggressive the spin is getting, because I believe

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Speaker 1: we have cut eighteen. CNN actually now is saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: guess what, Kamala is out pulling Biden. They have at

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Speaker 1: least one of these that they are citing. I believe

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Speaker 1: we haven't in it cut eighteen. This is evidence of

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Speaker 1: again and the Palace coup that is underway, literally happening

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Speaker 1: as we are speaking.

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Speaker 7: Listen, if the choice is the Democratic candidate versus Trump,

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Speaker 7: right there, Biden and Harris forty nine to forty three,

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Speaker 7: she is within the margin of error. But more interestingly

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Speaker 7: on women, look at these numbers here. She is stronger

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Speaker 7: percent of women pulled Biden only forty four percent Independent voters.

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Speaker 7: Also so interesting, she would get forty three percent of

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Speaker 7: the independent vote. President Biden now is only getting thirty

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Speaker 7: four percent. So in some questions, she has emerged as

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Speaker 7: a stronger nominee, at least hypothetically than President Biden.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Buck, that's real or do you think

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Speaker 1: that's just because most people haven't even really considered Kamala's.

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Speaker 2: Snat it's a snapshot of this moment. Look, there are

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Speaker 2: ways that they can make Kamala Harris, and they will

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Speaker 2: do everything. Remember it's not just that they will present

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Speaker 2: Tamala Harris in the most favorable light. They will endlessly

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Speaker 2: lie to elevate her and destroy anyone who speaks the

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Speaker 2: truth about her capabilities, her record, or anything else. Right,

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Speaker 2: So they they take a completely scorched earth approach to

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Speaker 2: politics always, and with Kamala Harris. That would mean if

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Speaker 2: you point out things about her that are true that

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Speaker 2: are not and there's a lot, by the way, we

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Speaker 2: don't talk about a lot on the show, but there's

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Speaker 2: you know, not so flattering stuff about Kamala Harris. H

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Speaker 2: if you do that they're going to attack you with

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Speaker 2: everything they've got. I think they'll also make Trump's age

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Speaker 2: an issue. If it did turn into Kamala Harris, they'd say, Okay, look,

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Speaker 2: we're the honest ones. Joe Biden was too old, but

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Speaker 2: you know who else.

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Speaker 4: Is too old?

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Yeah, And I think that that will have

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Speaker 2: some resonance, not really because like Trump did really you know,

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Speaker 2: Trump is Trump and he did really will in the

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Speaker 2: beat of it, but it'll it'll be a thing. It'll

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Speaker 2: be they'll make a thing of it. And the numbers

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Speaker 2: don't lie, The age numbers don't lie, So that'll be

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Speaker 2: a part of it. Now, I'll tell you this. I

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Speaker 2: think that right now, that's a snapshot of the sentiments currently.

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Speaker 4: I think that there's still a belief that at.

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Speaker 2: The end of the day, Kamala Harris has basically no

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Speaker 2: shot against Donald Trump because the deciding votes in Michigan, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania are likely to be white, working class voters who

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Speaker 2: have voted before for one candidate, you know, and one

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Speaker 2: party voted for voter for the other. I do not

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Speaker 2: think Kamala Harris plays well in the environs of Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: you know, outside the city, you know, an hour or so.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she plays well in the suburbs of Milwaukee.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think they got a problem, big problem.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this and we'll talk about it

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Speaker 1: some last night. If Biden's not going to be the guy,

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Speaker 1: should Trump hold off on his vice presidential selection as

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Speaker 1: long as he possibly can?

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Speaker 4: Not only because.

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Speaker 1: Biden's on fire right now and you don't want to

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Speaker 1: give him an opportunity for the narrative to shift, But

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Speaker 1: would you advise Trump to pick a different VP if

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Speaker 1: this change at all? Let's let's answer it after the break,

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Speaker 1: to change other part of that, would you advise Trump

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Speaker 1: we already did the debate. I'm done. People know me,

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Speaker 2: she's the nominee? So I'll do the first one first.

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Speaker 2: If I were Trump, I would. By the way, there's

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Speaker 2: all this noise about Bergham. Yeah, you know this is

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Speaker 2: One of the parts of this this matters for trumpet

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Speaker 2: Under other circumstances, if you had a president who won

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Speaker 2: think this time the VP matters more than he normally

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Speaker 2: gonna leave the country next. And so do I think

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Speaker 2: that Doug Bergham is good in that role? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I got nothing against Doug. He did well

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Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I was on a holiday. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: If I were Trump, I would wait and hold off

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Speaker 2: I think you also just want all the focus to

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Speaker 2: may affect it. Look, if he goes up against Kamala,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna make the age thing a factor for Trump.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna flip that around, and that will be real.

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Speaker 2: People can be annoyed by that, but that will be real.

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Speaker 2: It will be valid because they'll say, look, Biden was

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Speaker 4: And uh.

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Speaker 2: Then I think having jd Vance, who I still think

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Speaker 4: To be the VP.

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Speaker 2: I think I've been very might get that one, very

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Speaker 2: to forget this day. I'm not going to forget those

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Speaker 2: who were fleeing Buck.

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Speaker 1: Island debating Kamala if she elevated. Even if Kamala is

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Speaker 1: not elevated, Let's say you're right and somehow Biden survives

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Speaker 1: this coup attempt.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Trump should debate again. I think trumps

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Speaker 2: no upside for Trump at this point.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows me. At this point, I knocked out Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be going and doing my rallies. It's not

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Speaker 1: worth my time to debate again. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: should debate Biden or Kamala again.

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Speaker 2: And and and if they, if it were Kamala who

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Speaker 2: they offered up, I would say if I were if

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Speaker 2: I were Trump, I would just say, look, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to debate Kamala because maybe they're gonna

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Speaker 2: change their minds again, Like I would just a spance

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Speaker 2: whole thing and say, you know, sorry, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: I was debating a team. I thought I was debating

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Speaker 2: a candidate. And this is nonsense. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: pretty easy for him to uh to push aside. And and

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Speaker 2: again there's you know, there's nothing really to be gained

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Speaker 2: from it. It is interesting that numbers have moved toward Kamala,

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Speaker 2: but I think also I think this is all a

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Speaker 2: little bit tied into the Palace coup attempt. I think

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Speaker 2: that the people that are you know that they're timing

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Speaker 2: the polls that it comes out today. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think this is that this is their best, Their best

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Speaker 2: shot to get Joe Biden pushed aside is today, and

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Speaker 2: then Monday comes the next best. The day after that

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Speaker 2: gets a little weaker the day after that. Every day

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Speaker 2: that goes by without Biden stepping down, the chances of

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Speaker 2: him stepping down gets lower.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing it.

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Speaker 2: I think that they're gonna all he has to do.

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Speaker 2: Clay is convinced them that he needs two weeks to

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Speaker 2: make his case to the American people. And he gets

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Speaker 2: out there and he just gets the numbers ticking in

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Speaker 2: his favor a couple of points.

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Speaker 4: It's ballgame.

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Speaker 1: Top four stories at the New York Times right now.

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Speaker 1: Biden's talked about getting out. What is the impact of this?

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Speaker 1: And now the new poll that we will talk about

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Speaker 1: when we come back, just dropped five minutes ago. Trump

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Speaker 1: up six among likely voters, eight among registered voters, a

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Speaker 1: three point move towards Trump in the new poll from

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Speaker 1: the largest lead that he has ever had in a

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Speaker 1: New York Times poll in his political career. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that, and our old buddy, doctor Anthony Fauci weighed

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Speaker 1: in on whether it was fair to judge Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: health by the ninety minute debate. You will love and

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Speaker 1: I love, I mean hate.

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Speaker 4: His answer,