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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day here in the nation's capital. Nice

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Speaker 2: day for a picnic, you might say. And that's the

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Speaker 2: big plan at the White House later. Imagine cats and

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Speaker 2: dogs feasting on hamburgers and hot dogs. This is the

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Speaker 2: big congressional picnic at the White White House. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, six fifteen pm, South Lawn. There will be

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Speaker 2: remarks and it's going to come after the President. You'll

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Speaker 2: witness all of this live today on Bloomberg Speaks to

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Speaker 2: the Nation around two o'clock. That's at least the schedule

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Speaker 2: about an executive order that he is about to drop.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about this a lot, with great reporting

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Speaker 2: from Bloomberg's White House team in the formation the creation

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Speaker 2: of this EO. We've actually been waiting for this four

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Speaker 2: weeks and here we are today. This will be the

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Speaker 2: topic of conversation at the picnic. You've heard of this

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Speaker 2: Reaching a certain threshold of illegal border crossings would trigger,

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Speaker 2: essentially a shutdown of the border would effectively prevent new

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Speaker 2: asylum claims by migrants who walk across the border until

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Speaker 2: levels drop by roughly two thirds of where they stand. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so here are the actual numbers. Where's the cutoff? The

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Speaker 2: hundred crossings per day. Authorities, for perspective, recorded about forty

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Speaker 2: three hundred crossings per day encounters rather, I want to

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Speaker 2: you a sense of the numbers here. Now, when we

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Speaker 2: included in that Senate negotiated compromise that went nowhere the

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Speaker 2: see so much of that in the EO. But we're

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Speaker 2: going to let this come out a little bit later

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Speaker 2: on today when the President speaks. Although first we speak

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Speaker 2: with Maria Fernanda Buzzmoski, who was with us during the

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Speaker 2: debate in the Senate and back now that we have

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Speaker 2: paper at the White House, deputy director of the Adrian

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Speaker 2: Latin America Center at the Atlantic Council. Maria, it's great

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Speaker 2: to see you. Thank you for giving us your time today.

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Speaker 2: Is this the right thing for Joe Biden right now?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me again on the show. Joe. I

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Speaker 4: This is.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps the most aggressive attempt from Joe Biden to address

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Speaker 3: And I think that this is his attempt and the

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to hear a lot about this today

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Speaker 5: Is there some truth to that.

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Speaker 3: I think that this is again his attempt to appear

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Speaker 2: I want to mention that a statement is just out

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Speaker 3: I think it's quite unlikely. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: Well, so this is far from comprehensive, right, This would

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Speaker 3: And this executive action that has been unveiled today does

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Speaker 3: that's as you've just mentioned, it's everything from security in

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Speaker 3: a much larger problem that begins, as we repeatedly say,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk about that for a minute, because

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Speaker 2: The timing here is, I'm guessing pretty difficult for this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she had some time to calibrate her victory,

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Speaker 3: He was waiting for that election on Sunday. Claudia thus

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Speaker 2: Just lastly, Maria, what happens to the border if Donald

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Speaker 3: I think we'll have to see if whether he has

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Speaker 3: the composition of her Congress. She and Morena right now

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Speaker 2: No, we'll have a lot more to talk about in

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Speaker 2: that scenario, Marie. I'm glad you could come back and

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Speaker 2: see us. Thank you for your time from the Atlanta Council,

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Speaker 2: Maria Fernanda Bosmoski.

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Speaker 6: For just about an hour away from expective remarks from

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Speaker 6: related to the border. It'll be interesting to hear Joe

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like the issue surrounding his policy with Israel,

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Speaker 2: And we're joined now at the table by Bloomberg White

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Speaker 2: House correspondent Josh Wingrove, who has been far out on

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Speaker 2: this story. This is something that we've been reporting on

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Speaker 7: The starting point officials have told us is that bipartisan bill,

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Speaker 7: What's closing are the people that simply walk across the

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Speaker 7: mean we have just dealt with this for years. I

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Speaker 7: Biden, very early in his presidency proposed a immigration bill

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Speaker 7: for various reasons. Used to be that the grand bargain

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Speaker 7: be challenged. The ACLU has already said that they will

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Speaker 7: challenge it. I will leave it to lawyers to say

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Speaker 7: whether that will be struck down. The Democrats himself have

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Speaker 7: said that congressional action is the safest path. In other words,

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 6: And even in the release that the White House put

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Speaker 6: they're trying to get in front of that narrative. But

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Speaker 6: what we're hearing out of Congress Josh is Republicans on

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Speaker 6: He's the chair of the House Administration Committee, also a

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Speaker 6: Does he deserve credit for that?

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Speaker 9: What he's doing today is woefully insufficient. Joe asked the

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Speaker 9: This is addressing the bucket of individuals who are entering

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Speaker 9: We saw about two point four million of those individuals

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Speaker 9: the action by the President is woefully insufficient to a

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Speaker 2: I do know that you want more, Congressmen, and I

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Speaker 9: There's nothing wrong with the President taking this executive action,

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Speaker 6: Well, the way the White House is characterizing this Congressman

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Speaker 9: I'd critique a little bit of there what you said

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Speaker 9: the Senate should act on it. If the Senate thinks

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Speaker 2: Well, it'll be especially insufficient if it's struck down in court,

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Speaker 6: Congressman, one of your colleagues in the House, Congresswoman Marjorie

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Speaker 9: I think we got a big election coming up in November,

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Speaker 2: than five hundred non citizen residents registering to vote and

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Speaker 2: have cast their ballots here today. This is an issue

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Speaker 2: that you have strongly opposed and tried to take action

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Speaker 2: against as chair of the Admin Committee in the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives.

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Speaker 5: Now that it's happening. What will it mean.

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Speaker 4: I've held a series of hearings on this exact point.

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Speaker 9: I think it's important for all of your listeners and

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Speaker 9: viewers to realize that today, in our nation's capital, non

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Speaker 9: citizens are legally allowed to vote in particular municipal elections

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Speaker 9: for things like city council. This includes individuals working in

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Speaker 9: an embassy. So, just to give you a flavor of

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Speaker 9: how ridiculous the law is in our nation's capital, the

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Speaker 9: the Russian embassy residing in DC for only thirty days

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Speaker 9: is eligible to vote in our nation's elections. I'm of

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Speaker 9: the view that US elections should be for you, US

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Speaker 9: to ban non citizens from voting here in our nation's capital.

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Speaker 9: The Senate has refused to act on that.

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Speaker 4: I think that they should, and more broadly, we need

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we're.

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Speaker 9: Ensuring elections across the country are for US citizens only.

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Speaker 9: The fact that our nation's capital today is allowing non

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Speaker 9: city council is absolutely absurd.

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Speaker 4: I think we need to change the law.

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Speaker 6: Congressman we have just a minute left with you. But

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Speaker 6: to what extent are you concerned about in your home

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Speaker 6: vote attempting to do so.

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Speaker 4: This is a broader concern that we've had.

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Speaker 9: We had a series of hearings, and what we have

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Speaker 9: seen are non citizens registered to vote illegally in other locations.

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Speaker 9: In particular, Ohio recently identified a number on their voter rolls.

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Speaker 9: Georgia did a proper Czech Pennsylvania identified issues as well.

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Speaker 9: I think in a period of time, we need to

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Speaker 9: dramatically look at whether or not we have non citizens

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Speaker 9: need to make sure that we're protecting the integrity of

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Speaker 9: In a period of time when seven million people have

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Speaker 9: come across the border I legally under prison Biden's three

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Speaker 9: like Washington, d C. Not only allowing but encouraging non

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Speaker 9: making sure we're protecting the integrity of our elections by

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Speaker 5: It's good to have you back. Congressman.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your insights to a Brian style, the Republican

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Speaker 2: from Wisconsin with us on the fastest show in politics.

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Speaker 2: As we mentioned, less than an hour from now, Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden is set to speak to the executive order on

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch

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Speaker 2: It all starts at six fifteen pm Washington Time. That's

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Speaker 2: the annual Congressional picnic on the South lawn of the

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Speaker 2: White House. I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines. I can

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Speaker 2: only imagine the conversation over hamburgers and hot dogs, because

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Speaker 2: that will be less than four hours after the President

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Speaker 2: speaks to the American people about this executive order he's

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Speaker 2: dropping today on the border. He's going to be speaking

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Speaker 2: from the East Room, at least according to the schedule,

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Speaker 2: about twenty minutes from now, and Kaylee, as we've learned

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Speaker 2: over the course of this hour, he's upsetting both ends

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Speaker 2: of the political spectrum today with this announcement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, Republicans think he is not going far enough.

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Speaker 6: Progressives may think he's going too far with this executive

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Speaker 6: action that essentially when crossings cross a threshold of twenty

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Speaker 6: five hundred, that's right across the border, will shut down

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Speaker 6: those seeking asylum, at least in some cases. There are

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Speaker 6: carve outs and exceptions here, and perhaps the exceptions are

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Speaker 6: providing more fuel to the buyer who are upset. The

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Speaker 6: thing is, though, Joe, there's something else to consider here politically,

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Speaker 6: and that is the implication this could have for the economy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a big deal.

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Speaker 6: Standard chartered. Steve Englander, who's a great friend of Bloomberg

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Speaker 6: TV and Radio, put out research today that found roughly

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Speaker 6: half of non farm payrolls growth since October is accounted

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Speaker 6: for by undocumented immigrants. According to his estimates looking at

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Speaker 6: data from US Immigration Services, the Customs and Border Patrol,

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Speaker 6: and others. He suggests, if you take those workers out,

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Speaker 6: job growth may actually be running at a much lower

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Speaker 5: Imagine that per month.

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Speaker 2: So then couple the impact that this has had as

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Speaker 2: well on shelter costs and housing immigrants in cities all

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Speaker 2: over the country, not just New York, and the impact

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Speaker 2: could be great. And you wonder, if you keep walking

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Speaker 2: this line, does this executive order hasten the first interest

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Speaker 2: right cut It's.

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Speaker 6: An excellent question. If it means more softening in the

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Speaker 6: labor market, one could see how that argument could be made.

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Speaker 6: But we want to pose these questions and more now

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Speaker 6: to Rebecca She She is founding executive director of the

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Speaker 6: American Business Immigration Coalition. Rebecca, welcome to balance of power.

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Speaker 6: How should we be thinking through the economic ramifications of

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Speaker 6: this executive order today? Not allowing as many migrants to

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Speaker 6: seek asylum in the US, something that will start effective immediately.

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Speaker 6: How is this likely to impact the economy?

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me today. The President

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Speaker 8: is moving forward on this executive order to ensure legal

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Speaker 8: and orderly processing and crossing, and this is going to

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Speaker 8: have important impact on both the economy and our communities.

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Speaker 8: I think you just mentioned that one of the reasons

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Speaker 8: that our markets and economy continue to roar is because,

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Speaker 8: according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, we have two

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Speaker 8: point one million new migrants new workers in the economy

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Speaker 8: over this last two and a half years, and this

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Speaker 8: has made sure that jobs, particularly jobs and construction, hospitality,

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Speaker 8: tourism are filled despite our very tight labor market. And

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Speaker 8: this has meant that you know, stock market is reaching

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Speaker 8: historic highs as we have seen, as well as tamping

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Speaker 8: down inflation. And just the last thing I would add

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Speaker 8: is that you know, we see all the demographics data

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Speaker 8: that average Americans are having, you know, less than replacement

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Speaker 8: rate in terms of births. And this new energy, new

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Speaker 8: entrepreneurships from both new migrants and long term immigrants already

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Speaker 8: here has been a gift to the economy and to

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Speaker 8: our country well.

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Speaker 2: So as the President speaks to the American people, then today, Rebecca,

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Speaker 2: should he also be making an announced about work permits.

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Speaker 8: That is something that we're hoping for as the American

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Speaker 8: Business Immigration Coalition, and we are a bipartisan group of

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Speaker 8: about fourteen hundred employers and CEOs across the country. Over

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Speaker 8: this last year, we have been leading a national campaign

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Speaker 8: we call it Here to Work actually calling on the

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Speaker 8: administration and the President to issue more work permits for

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Speaker 8: both the new migrants as well as the long term

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Speaker 8: immigrant contributors. You know, if you think about people that

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Speaker 8: are picking crops, cleaning hotel rooms, emptying bedpans in nursing homes,

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Speaker 8: or even designing semiconductors at our fabrication facilities. They're over

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Speaker 8: represented and significantly contributed by immigrants of all scale levels.

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Speaker 8: So having more work permits, legal work permits in the

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Speaker 8: marketplace is a good thing. It's a good thing for employers,

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Speaker 8: is a good thing to protect immigrant workers from exploitation,

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Speaker 8: And if nothing else, we've seen that work over this

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Speaker 6: Well, Rebecca, you just said there that you've been pushing

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Speaker 6: entirely alone? The administration and the White House when it

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Speaker 6: put out a statement today talked about how realistically to

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Speaker 6: do unilaterally?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And we've seen the President and particularly Democratic leaders

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Speaker 8: President deciding to act, you know, laterally on executive order

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Speaker 8: around the border. So similarly, you know, given the gridlock

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Speaker 8: in the Congress, that the executive action on work permits

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Speaker 8: that have been here for decades working, many of them

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Speaker 8: I think the you know, to your point, ideally right,

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Speaker 8: But we've just seen this Congress again and again, even

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Speaker 8: we can't even make any progress. And so as such,

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Speaker 8: we're calling on the President to also do a executive

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Speaker 8: action on legal work permits and something that everyday Americans support.

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Speaker 5: Well, as you call on this president to take action.

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Speaker 2: Having referred to the fourteen hundred CEOs and employers you represent, Rebecca,

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Speaker 2: this is an election year. Who do they trust more

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Speaker 8: I would say that are just where we are in

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Speaker 8: I mean, we are operating under a menagerie of the

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Speaker 8: system and our economy. Today it doesn't look anywhere like

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Speaker 8: politics always keep getting in the way of this issue.

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Speaker 8: And the thing is that's American. Everyday Americans understand that

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Speaker 8: we need to have legal, orderly border crossings and as

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Speaker 8: our dreamers, for our mixed status families. It always posts

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Speaker 8: so well, it doesn't change because Americans know that those

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Speaker 8: just honestly beyond frustrating immigration issue.

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Speaker 5: Rebecca, it's great to have you.

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Speaker 2: Rebecca She founding executive director of the American Business Immigration Coalition.

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Speaker 6: It's not just any Tuesday, It's a primary Tuesday. In

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Speaker 5: Is the same first name.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting that as we've been hearing from folks

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Speaker 2: with what his dad's going through. That's New Jersey's eighth district, Cayley,

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Speaker 2: and we can look ahead to some of these primaries,

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Speaker 2: but of course it's all against the backdrop of this

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Speaker 2: protest vote that we've been hearing about and watching just

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Speaker 2: about every Tuesday. How many Nicki Haley votes will there

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Speaker 2: be in the Republican primary in a state like New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: That will be part of the story tonight as well.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, as we've seen continuously something in the ballpark of

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Speaker 6: twenty percent of the Republican primary vote still going to

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Speaker 6: Nicki Hayley, even though she suspended her campaign months ago.

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Speaker 6: This will be the first time, though, we get those

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Speaker 6: results after Donald Trump's guilty conviction, and I wonder if

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Speaker 6: it will actually prove to be a tell on as

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Speaker 6: to how many more voters are trying to protest the

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Speaker 6: fact that he's the presumptive nomine.

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Speaker 5: Really great point. Let's see what the panel thinks about it.

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Speaker 2: Genie Shanzano and Rick Davis are with us at your

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Speaker 2: panel Bloomberg Politics contributors on Bloomberg TV and Radio. What's

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Speaker 2: your thought on that, Rick, As we anticipate votes tonight,

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Speaker 2: could we see an uptick for Nicky Haley following the

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Speaker 2: guilty verdict or might it look like the opposite?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's a good question.

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Speaker 10: I mean, there's definitely been a rallying around Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: to be expected after the indictment. Republicans, you know, they

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Speaker 10: still want to win elections, and he's the top of

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Speaker 10: the ticket.

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Speaker 5: Whether they like it or not.

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Speaker 10: And yet Nicki Haley has been cruising around twenty to

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Speaker 10: thirty percent of the primary ballot and in most of

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Speaker 10: these states that have been selecting primary candidates since the

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Speaker 10: presumptive nominee has you know, sort of taken charge. So

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Speaker 10: this will be interesting. I think it's a bit of

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Speaker 10: a tell. I've never put much credence on primary results

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Speaker 10: as it relates to general election, and there's no real

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Speaker 10: track record that they have an impact. But this is

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Speaker 10: definitely an area that Nicky has now endorsed Donald Trump.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump is now a felon, so maybe maybe that

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Speaker 10: booster up to the upper thirties, and we have a

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Speaker 10: talking point for Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: Well, Jeanie, if that indeed does transpire, is that more

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Speaker 6: telling than the mixed polls that we have gotten in

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Speaker 6: the days after the verdict, because that's real votes being.

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Speaker 11: Cast, it is, and you know, for somebody to go

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Speaker 11: out in a primary where at least at the top

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Speaker 11: of the ticket in this case, it doesn't matter thou

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Speaker 11: all too much because of course we know who the

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Speaker 11: presumptive nominees are on both sides. It is a tell,

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Speaker 11: and I'm not sure how this is going to come off,

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Speaker 11: quite frankly, because you could see it going either way.

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Speaker 11: You could see people who, as it settles in that

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Speaker 11: this is a convicted felon, say hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 11: go out there and cast my vote for somebody else,

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Speaker 11: or to Rick's point, you could see a sort of

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Speaker 11: rally around the Trump effect, and people say this was

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Speaker 11: political persecution. These are all Republicans for the most part,

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Speaker 11: voting in a primary, after all, and it goes in

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Speaker 11: the op direction. So I think we have to wait

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Speaker 11: and see where this pans out, but I think it

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Speaker 11: is a tell in terms of at least where Republicans

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Speaker 11: are in this case, and of course as you look

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Speaker 11: at the Democratic side, you know, Joe Biden wants to

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Speaker 11: make sure that there is not a lot of you know,

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Speaker 11: loss to an independent third party candidate because of what's

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Speaker 11: going on in the Gaza strip or any other issue.

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Speaker 11: So on both sides, it is sort of an indication

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Speaker 11: as to how at least the base of their party

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Speaker 11: is feeling.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Trump effect in the House, and it

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Speaker 2: brings me to what's happening today, Jeanie. I love both

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Speaker 2: of your take on this, because we've had a knockdown,

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Speaker 2: drag out hearing with the Attorney General Merrick Garland. Everyone

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Speaker 2: knew that would be the case as he testifies before

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Speaker 2: some serious Republican critics here on the Judiciary Committee is

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan's committee, and he came out swinging in his

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Speaker 2: own prepared remarks to try to blunt some of this.

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Speaker 2: But beyond the Robert her testimony, the committee wanted to

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Speaker 2: acquire Joe Biden's testimony with the Special Council. Beyond the

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Speaker 2: contempt vote that went nowhere, there's something else going on here.

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Speaker 2: Three members of the committee, this is Freedom Caucus, Andy Biggs,

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Speaker 2: Chip Roy, Tom Massey sent Merrick Garland a letter stating

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Speaker 2: their concerns about aggressive prosecutions of those who were at

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Speaker 2: the US Capitol on January sixth, the January sixth rioters,

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Speaker 2: and they wanted to talk about the FBI. This is

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Speaker 2: a quote from their letter, the FBI's possible involvement in

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Speaker 2: facilitating the events of January sixth. This is like tinfoil

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Speaker 2: hat time here, Rick, where we're talking about white vans

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Speaker 2: and unmarked officers in the crowd. What does this tell

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Speaker 2: us about the direction we're going in in this Republican conference.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a pretty dark direction. Republicans in the House,

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Speaker 10: especially the Freedom Caucus. Republicans want to take the country

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Speaker 10: and that is basically creating their own set of facts.

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Speaker 10: And in this case, just because they dream it up

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Speaker 10: means that it should be a fact. And I think

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Speaker 10: Merrick Garland going to the Capitol Hill and saying no,

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Speaker 10: these things are simply not true. No, Joe Biden is

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Speaker 10: not the reason that Donald Trump got prosecuted in New

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Speaker 10: York at a state level. No, the FBI was involved

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Speaker 10: in January sixth.

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 10: If somebody doesn't say no to it, And frankly, I

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Speaker 10: think the Biden administration has done a very poor job

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Speaker 10: of pushing back on fake news that emanates from legitimate

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Speaker 10: institutions like the House of Representatives and people like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 10: Then that's going to become true over time. And so

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Speaker 10: I think the fact that the Attorney General is up

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Speaker 10: there fighting the fight for facts is really important. And

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Speaker 10: I don't understand why the Biden administration would not deploy

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Speaker 10: their cabinet in an effort to do the same thing,

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Speaker 10: Because Joe Biden can only get elected if the country

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Speaker 10: is working off the same set of facts about the economy,

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Speaker 10: about the border, about Gaza, and if he allows these

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Speaker 10: fake facts to proliferate, you know, it's going to be

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Speaker 10: very hard for him to find a clear path.

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Speaker 6: Jeannie, I'd love for you to weigh in on what

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Speaker 6: Rick just said. Is the administration not been forceful enough

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Speaker 6: in pushing back against miss and disinformation.

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Speaker 11: This is a challenge, I think for all of us,

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Speaker 11: and you know, I look at this very broadly. We

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Speaker 11: are living in a time when it is very very

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Speaker 11: difficult to break through all the noise that we all hear.

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Speaker 11: And you can watch two channels and get the exact

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Speaker 11: opposite take on what is happening, and misinformation disinformation spreads broadly,

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Speaker 11: and I think it speaks to a reality, and I

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Speaker 11: wish the Biden administration, to Rick's point, would talk about this.

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Speaker 11: This is why leadership matters so much. It is very,

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Speaker 11: very difficult to police all this misinformation and disinformation, and

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Speaker 11: that's why we've got to be able to trust the

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Speaker 11: people we choose to lead us, to lead us in

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Speaker 11: an honest way. And that is where what's happening today

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Speaker 11: on Capitol Hill is so frustrating, because there is not

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Speaker 11: a sentilla of evidence that anybody in the FBI was

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Speaker 11: behind January sixth, and yet you have elected leaders up

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Speaker 11: there on the hill asking the question. And so I think,

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Speaker 11: you know, in a way, it's all of our responsibility

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Speaker 11: as Americans when we go to the ballot box to

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Speaker 11: remember that we have to choose people who we feel

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Speaker 11: some modicum of trust in to tell us what is

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Speaker 11: the truth, because this is where we are in this country,

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Speaker 11: in this media environment. So no, you know, I don't

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Speaker 11: think it's all at Joe Biden or the Biden Administration's feet.

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Speaker 11: He can use the bully pulpit as best as he can,

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Speaker 11: but this is a problem that every president in the

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Speaker 11: modern era is going to face from now as long

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Speaker 11: as our media environment remains the way it is, and

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Speaker 11: so it's much bigger than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Suggesting it may become more difficult, not get easier.

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Speaker 5: It's a great panel.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to both of you as always for showing grace

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