Speaker 1: This is a quote from Brittany Packnet in her ted
Speaker 1: talk about confidence, permission, community, curiosity. All of these are
Speaker 1: the things that we need to breathe the confidence that
Speaker 1: will absolutely need to solve our greatest challenges and to
Speaker 1: build the world. We dream a world where inequity has ended,
Speaker 1: where justice is real. A world where we can be
Speaker 1: free on the outside and free on the inside, because
Speaker 1: we know that none of us are free until all
Speaker 1: of us are free. A world that isn't intimidated by
Speaker 1: confidence when it shows up in a woman, or in
Speaker 1: black skin, or in anything other than our preferred archetypes
Speaker 1: of leadership. Hello everybody, and welcome to the inaugural episode
Speaker 1: of Permission to Speak, a new podcast for anyone who
Speaker 1: thinks that the way that we talk about women's voices
Speaker 1: could um use a little work. I'm your host, Samarbe
Speaker 1: for those first episode the this is actually me. So
Speaker 1: we have Jack O'Brien, the head of my Heart Radio
Speaker 1: l A, in the studio and he's going to be
Speaker 1: interviewing me along with Katherine Burke Campton. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you guys a little bit about them for context.
Speaker 1: Here's what I know about Jack. He first of all,
Speaker 1: founded Cracked dot com in two thousand five and was
Speaker 1: editor in chief there until he left in to become
Speaker 1: what I like to call the King of podcast over here,
Speaker 1: where he produces projects like The Ron Burgundy Show and
Speaker 1: the one that he co hosts every single day called
Speaker 1: The Daily Zeitgeist. And uh, I should say I know
Speaker 1: him as the gentleman who greenlit my show, which I
Speaker 1: mean will surely be his ultimate legacy. And then Kat
Speaker 1: and Mark are my producers and my friends. And Kat
Speaker 1: is joining us on Mike today as well. Wait there
Speaker 1: she is. Hi, guys, this is Mark. I'll probably do
Speaker 1: a pickup of this because I'm not gonna like the
Speaker 1: way it sounds. Um, and I have to say also,
Speaker 1: they sometimes bring their newborn Eloise, and um, she's got
Speaker 1: some hot takes, ladies and gentlemen. Anyway, I'm thrilled that
Speaker 1: they joined me in the studio today and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to share with you guys why I pitched this
Speaker 1: show and why I'm so excited that we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Samara Cat, thank you for joining me here. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you've no so, I guess I wanted to uh talk
Speaker 1: about just what is great about the show. Why I'm
Speaker 1: super excited to have this show in existence and on
Speaker 1: our network. Um, why I'm excited to have you Samara,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I have to say, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing my same blazer I wore when I pitched this show.
Speaker 1: I just I just felt like, you know, my new
Speaker 1: lucky blazer. Yeah, and it's a great blazer. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I was just looking back at the email I sent
Speaker 1: after you pitched it, and it was like, I think
Speaker 1: it was I sent it while you were pitching it.
Speaker 1: I was like, we have to get this show on
Speaker 1: the butt pitch. It's something. I host a show called
Speaker 1: The Daily y. I'm not saying that to plug it
Speaker 1: like upto, man, am I right? But I am, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's a daily show. I am plugged into like
Speaker 1: what is happening in the culture on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: and the subject of women's voices and voices in general
Speaker 1: is something that I feel like keeps coming up. Is
Speaker 1: uh sort of becoming a front line in you know,
Speaker 1: some of the most important conversations we're having about power dynamics.
Speaker 1: And then you came in and just kind of put
Speaker 1: it all into words and like made it Crystal Clear
Speaker 1: for me. And then there was, you know, an episode
Speaker 1: of This American Life where they talked about how the
Speaker 1: most common feedback they got was men telling the women
Speaker 1: on their show to stop having vocal from that was
Speaker 1: like ten years ago, and people are like, vocal fries
Speaker 1: this new phenomenon. It's gripping young girls everywhere, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's actually been around our entire adult life, and amazingly
Speaker 1: because the men on This American Life have way more
Speaker 1: affected voices than can we just real quick define vocal
Speaker 1: fri because we're gonna talk about that, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean vocal fry for me fits into a much
Speaker 1: larger category of ways that we kind of hided vocally. Um.
Speaker 1: But it I mean, it's technically for for people listening
Speaker 1: who have always been like, what does it really sound like?
Speaker 1: It's something you're probably already doing at the ends of
Speaker 1: a lot of sentences, but it is when your voice
Speaker 1: goes from like being supported with breath to kind of
Speaker 1: not being supported and sounding like that, Ah, that was good.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you did this. And I know and
Speaker 1: I do tell people like even when we say something
Speaker 1: strong and powerful, like you know, I believe filling the
Speaker 1: blank thing. We often end it if we're talking in
Speaker 1: front of other people and we suddenly become self conscious,
Speaker 1: we often end it with like I care a lot
Speaker 1: about this thing, or like whatever, and that's you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, one of the biggest aspects of my
Speaker 1: kind of ethos or philosophy as a you know, speech
Speaker 1: coach for people is that I am not actually pointing
Speaker 1: those things out to demonize it. I'm not saying like
Speaker 1: young girls who do this are bad or are you know,
Speaker 1: or even are undermining themselves. I'm saying it's something that
Speaker 1: we should be aware of and that we have so
Speaker 1: many more tools at our disposal, so we have to
Speaker 1: know is that thing we're doing helping us get what
Speaker 1: we want, or is it's something we've picked up at
Speaker 1: some point to please someone else and it isn't actually
Speaker 1: our authentic voice. Yeah, I mean, it's the raw material
Speaker 1: that we communicate with, and that a lot of communication,
Speaker 1: especially now as podcasts are increasingly becoming a record of
Speaker 1: the oral tradition that we have what um, it's it's
Speaker 1: increasingly the raw material that we're using to spress ourselves
Speaker 1: and to communicate, and it's just something that hadn't I
Speaker 1: hadn't specifically thought about in the terms that I probably
Speaker 1: should have been thinking about it until you came in
Speaker 1: and were like, here and let me describe it in
Speaker 1: this incredibly clear and perfect way that just crystallized a
Speaker 1: lot of things from it. I mean, I do feel like, um,
Speaker 1: the voice, I mean, I don't feel like the voice
Speaker 1: is invisible. Guys, you're here first. But you know, my
Speaker 1: point is really that although we may have seen think
Speaker 1: pieces here and there, the voice is invisible and we
Speaker 1: haven't necessarily thought about our own voice except for those
Speaker 1: rare moments when somebody points it out to us. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of my clients, whether we're talking about actors
Speaker 1: or we're talking about people in like you know, the
Speaker 1: corporate world, or entrepreneurs or politicians, a lot of them
Speaker 1: are people who are finding their way into power in
Speaker 1: a new way, Like they see it on the horizon,
Speaker 1: or they're being offered an opportunity or they're not being
Speaker 1: offered it and they're ready to fight back. And what
Speaker 1: do they do differently to bring you know, the best
Speaker 1: version of themselves into those scenarios so that that power happens.
Speaker 1: So the people who deserve it, get it. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there, there it is. There's the cry. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but you know. But
Speaker 1: but what I what I really loved about that conversation
Speaker 1: that we had, Jack, was that, um, I was able
Speaker 1: to talk about what I've always thought about, which is that, like,
Speaker 1: the voice is a way in, it's a frame to
Speaker 1: talk about so much of the societal stuff that's played
Speaker 1: out on our bodies and in our minds in terms
Speaker 1: of how we talk to ourselves in these high stakes scenarios.
Speaker 1: And you know, because I have a background as a
Speaker 1: voice coach, I also have found ways that the voice
Speaker 1: solves a lot of the problems that seem like they
Speaker 1: require all kinds of other things. But really, you know,
Speaker 1: learning how to breathe just a little better than you
Speaker 1: already are, uh, can actually change your life, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's the the thing where like when I've worked
Speaker 1: with people from all kinds of different industries and seen
Speaker 1: the same patterns, the same like getting them to breathe
Speaker 1: a little bit more, getting them to realize that stuff
Speaker 1: like vocal fry is about not taking up enough space
Speaker 1: and trusting that what they have to say matters, the
Speaker 1: same patterns come up with all of us, and so
Speaker 1: the I mean, the dream for this podcast was that
Speaker 1: we could kind of see the similarities and break them
Speaker 1: down and say, here are some tools so that we
Speaker 1: can break the patterns that need to be broken, and
Speaker 1: let's do it together. I mean, I told you this
Speaker 1: in them when I pitched this too, because it had
Speaker 1: just happened. But the real origin story for this podcast
Speaker 1: is that, uh So I went to Princeton undergrad and
Speaker 1: they the crowning achievement of that was really that they
Speaker 1: asked me to come back and speak at this women's
Speaker 1: conference and there was like Justice Soda Mayor and Justice
Speaker 1: Kagan and like you know me. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just the lums gathered around the water cooler. There was
Speaker 1: no water cooler, not Aton, but it was a golden
Speaker 1: water cooler. Um. They had told me that as somebody
Speaker 1: sort of the more creative side of things, as a
Speaker 1: Princeton alum, they wanted me to come back and do
Speaker 1: a workshop on the voice to a group of fifty
Speaker 1: to a hundred women as sort of a breakout, you know,
Speaker 1: option at this conference. And uh and I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had been working on a wonder woman at
Speaker 1: the time. At the moment I got that call, I
Speaker 1: was like in Washington, d C. On the phone with
Speaker 1: them and they were like, what would you want to
Speaker 1: call it? And I was like, how do you use
Speaker 1: your voice to get what you want? Clearly I was
Speaker 1: on a bit of a high. And then a week
Speaker 1: before I flew out to do this workshop, I got
Speaker 1: an email the four hundred and sixty people had signed
Speaker 1: up for this, which and I remember just thinking like, okay, a,
Speaker 1: I need to actually figure out what I'm doing now.
Speaker 1: But the um, you know, if we need some market
Speaker 1: research on who needs this help, it kind of seems
Speaker 1: like a lot of people, you know, and um. And
Speaker 1: then I had an hour fifteen and I had this big,
Speaker 1: you know, gorgeous like gothic building to interact with these women,
Speaker 1: and I my dream scenario really came true, which was
Speaker 1: that the first half I did talk a lot about
Speaker 1: these patterns, the the the tricks is maybe a word
Speaker 1: to use that I've found that really helped people. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of sense of like kind of psychological hacks,
Speaker 1: so that this isn't like a six month job to
Speaker 1: find your voice. It really is like let's just talkle
Speaker 1: that switch. Let's just in the moment right now, no drama,
Speaker 1: no preciousness, Let's just try something new and see how
Speaker 1: much our nervous system can actually like adjust. And I
Speaker 1: talked about that, but the main thing that happened was
Speaker 1: I had made sure that there was gonna be microphones
Speaker 1: in the audience, and about halfway through, I was like, so,
Speaker 1: why did you come to something about how to use
Speaker 1: your voice to get what you want? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: And truly what's going on? And it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a room full of four indred plus women
Speaker 1: of all different ages, and they looked, you know, like
Speaker 1: they had all kinds of different life fixed variances. And
Speaker 1: they got up and started to tell me about them.
Speaker 1: And there was like, I mean, I remember there was
Speaker 1: like a woman who had just gotten out of college.
Speaker 1: She was like twenty two, I think she had just
Speaker 1: launched a podcast and was dealing with trolling about her voice.
Speaker 1: And then there was a middle aged woman who had
Speaker 1: a teenage daughter who was freaking out because her daughter
Speaker 1: had up speak and like, oh god, she'll never be
Speaker 1: taken seriously in life. And then this woman stood up
Speaker 1: in the back of the room and she was probably
Speaker 1: the oldest that you can begin and to have come
Speaker 1: to Princeton because they didn't let in women till the seventies.
Speaker 1: And she said she's the only female board member of
Speaker 1: a massive financial institution and and I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: delicate and uh, and she said she couldn't get a
Speaker 1: word in edgewise at meetings. And I thought this was
Speaker 1: a good chance to sort of see if there's kind
Speaker 1: of some group wisdom here. And I asked, like, is
Speaker 1: anyone else here from corporate, you know, and do you
Speaker 1: have anything that's worked? And people started to stand up
Speaker 1: and offer suggestions. And that was really when I was like,
Speaker 1: this is there's something here, because you know, I got
Speaker 1: some really kind feedback afterwards about how I should do
Speaker 1: a TED talk, and I was like, yeah, I succeeded
Speaker 1: at you know, standing up on a stage and doing
Speaker 1: all the things I teach other people to do, like
Speaker 1: seriously check. That was awesome. But the real magic was
Speaker 1: when people were sharing you know, quote unquote best practices
Speaker 1: across industries, and I was like, there isn't like a
Speaker 1: place for that. And then you know, I was on
Speaker 1: a friend's podcast and I was like, oh God, this
Speaker 1: is my media. Like that was like a month afterwards,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, maybe that's maybe that's what
Speaker 1: that because I didn't know how to process what that
Speaker 1: Princeton thing was like. That room was magical. You came
Speaker 1: back completely just you know, a glow with what the
Speaker 1: process that happened. And I was so moved by that
Speaker 1: moment when I think that's when we kind of had
Speaker 1: first met each other, and I'm I am just so
Speaker 1: proud of you sitting here and we're doing the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, my love. We have a mutual friend UM
Speaker 1: named Jess who who had said to me as I
Speaker 1: was walking out the door to go to the conference
Speaker 1: and we were at a coworking space we're working at together,
Speaker 1: and she like, I'm literally in the door frame and
Speaker 1: she was like, it's not a moment, it's a movement.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Needed to hear that, but you
Speaker 1: know it really, um, it really set the tone for
Speaker 1: me that, UM, you know, my dream is that all
Speaker 1: of us in those moments that feel scary when we
Speaker 1: have to decide whether or not to sort of sound
Speaker 1: like the most generic version of ourselves as possible, or
Speaker 1: to sort of break out of that box. All of
Speaker 1: us have to do that work on our own, but
Speaker 1: that does not mean that we are doing it alone.
Speaker 1: There is a you know, unspoken god. The words sisterhood
Speaker 1: comes to mind. I'm sorry if that sounds so cliche
Speaker 1: and cheesy, but there really is, and we're all dealing
Speaker 1: with this. And one of the things that Princeton thing
Speaker 1: taught me was that one of the ways in which
Speaker 1: we're conditioned is to think that all of this vocal
Speaker 1: drama we have, like I can't get heard or I
Speaker 1: don't like the way I sound, or I sound too girly,
Speaker 1: or I sound not cool and millennial enough, or I
Speaker 1: sound you know, too foreign, or I sound to anything. Um.
Speaker 1: We often mistake that for being something that's happening only
Speaker 1: to us, and that we're alone in this little silo
Speaker 1: that sucks. And the real lesson is we're all in
Speaker 1: this together. So but I will say, I know it's
Speaker 1: about a sisterhood, and we're about it's about feminism, and
Speaker 1: it's about the female voice here. But what I think
Speaker 1: this podcast brings to the table, and Jack, maybe you
Speaker 1: can weigh in on this too, if we let you
Speaker 1: speak um um, is that this podcast is helpful for men,
Speaker 1: for women, for whoever and wherever you are. And I
Speaker 1: really feel strongly about that. Yeah, I mean, look at
Speaker 1: somebody who's married to a straight white man. I can attest.
Speaker 1: I cannot I And I have, you know, a little
Speaker 1: boy who I don't know what his you know, sexual
Speaker 1: orientation is yet, but you know, I'm raising a white
Speaker 1: boy and I think about that a lot. And UM,
Speaker 1: I have to say this as somebody who still works
Speaker 1: primarily in Hollywood, I'm working with all kinds of people
Speaker 1: who feel like outsiders. They're gay, they're people of color,
Speaker 1: they're people in toxic masculinity recovery, as I call it, allies.
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out how to stand up for
Speaker 1: the right people at the right time, despite their privilege.
Speaker 1: So this is really work for everybody. And part of
Speaker 1: my work that feels like it's sort of advocacy as
Speaker 1: well as just speech work is in trying to change
Speaker 1: the world in terms of how much we can reveal ourselves.
Speaker 1: And it continued to be something that gets us more power,
Speaker 1: not less and be safe or not less safe. My background,
Speaker 1: you know, before running this podcast network was running a
Speaker 1: website with hundreds of writers, and even in in the
Speaker 1: written word. I was surprised, as a straight white man, oblivious,
Speaker 1: straight white man, that whenever there was a byline that
Speaker 1: suggested the writer was a woman, it would get at
Speaker 1: least two the scrutiny, the negative feedback just brutalized in
Speaker 1: the comments section. Um. And then I started seeing it
Speaker 1: happen with you know, the most talented comedians that I
Speaker 1: worked with on this network. There would just be scrutiny
Speaker 1: of their voice. Part of what I'm interested in is
Speaker 1: saying like that is not necessarily inevitable. I mean, I
Speaker 1: hope our society continues to change, but if it is inevitable,
Speaker 1: if it is, just like there is maybe an additional
Speaker 1: struggle the further you are as a human from like
Speaker 1: the straight white male archetype, if there is that additional
Speaker 1: struggle to be heard, to be understood, to be taken seriously,
Speaker 1: let's just acknowledge that, and then let's make that struggle
Speaker 1: be as I mean, joyful is the word that comes
Speaker 1: to mind, and I don't mean to minimize people's experience,
Speaker 1: but let's just make that something that's shine a light
Speaker 1: on that, the same way we're shining a light in
Speaker 1: the voice. It just is an additional challenge to be
Speaker 1: understood if you don't look like the archetype of power.
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, great, we acknowledged it. Now what do
Speaker 1: we do? Yes? And you know, what we're really talking
Speaker 1: about is like, wouldn't it be amazing if we could
Speaker 1: all just be ourselves? And you know, life is really
Speaker 1: complicated in American is really complicated. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's responsible as a communication coach to tell people be
Speaker 1: yourself by you know, because there really are less safe spaces.
Speaker 1: But I do think that it is my job to
Speaker 1: encourage my clients to be as brave as possible about
Speaker 1: pushing on the edges, like what are the assumptions that
Speaker 1: actually can fall down? I will say from my own
Speaker 1: experience that tomorrow you have helped to coach me, But
Speaker 1: you continue to help coach me as I get deeper
Speaker 1: into being a producer and owning my own company and
Speaker 1: you know, to a place where I am so excited
Speaker 1: and happy to be. It takes more practice to be
Speaker 1: able to continue the longevity with that. What you reminded
Speaker 1: me of, thank you for that couty you reminded me
Speaker 1: of also is that like very obviously we can all
Speaker 1: we can all say that when we talk about the voice,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the literal voice, which we don't often
Speaker 1: you know, shine a light on, like as somebody who
Speaker 1: has a background in dialect coaching, I'm I can think
Speaker 1: about you know, avowal and a consonant sound, you know,
Speaker 1: like breaking breaking down the voice into the most micro units.
Speaker 1: But I'm also talking about the metaphorical voice. How we
Speaker 1: stand up for ourselves, how we stand up for our communities,
Speaker 1: for people that don't have a voice. And so what
Speaker 1: I'm finding for myself, for you, for our friends, for
Speaker 1: you know, everybody who's sort of on a journey of
Speaker 1: trying to become the best version of themselves in public. Uh,
Speaker 1: there are little things that we can do up top
Speaker 1: to sort of like let go some of our old
Speaker 1: tricks that aren't working anymore. But then there's like next
Speaker 1: level ship And that's what's been coming up with some
Speaker 1: of my guests too, that you guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: hearing from, is like, you know, yeah, it's all well
Speaker 1: and good to be like I found my voice, and
Speaker 1: then life gets harder and you have more power and
Speaker 1: suddenly you have to say no more and how do
Speaker 1: you say no in a way that continues to help you,
Speaker 1: quote unquote get what you want well? And so a
Speaker 1: lot of our guests that come on, we have people
Speaker 1: from scientists to celebrities to mindfulness experts. But I think
Speaker 1: what is important you've said up before, your voice is
Speaker 1: connected to your heart and to your brain equally, and
Speaker 1: I'm excited to explore that with you on this show. Jack,
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to see Your job, just in
Speaker 1: general is something I didn't know existed. Uh that, Like
Speaker 1: I thought a voice coach was the person who hits
Speaker 1: the button on the NBC show and like turns around
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that there have a job. Yeah
Speaker 1: for it And I'm so waiting to hear back. But well,
Speaker 1: now you're in competition with me, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: lower my voice to um. But I would just love
Speaker 1: for the listeners to hear just a little bit more
Speaker 1: about all the different ways that you work with people.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking back on the threat of this, but
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, seven years ago or something,
Speaker 1: and I found out about this organization on the East
Speaker 1: Coast called the Alan All the Center for Communicating Science,
Speaker 1: and my dad's a scientist, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty fearless in that realm as somebody who's not a scientist,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, it doesn't get too scared of
Speaker 1: talking to scientists about how they communicate, perhaps badly and uh.
Speaker 1: And so I got trained by them and was already
Speaker 1: thinking like, how is what I do with actors applicable
Speaker 1: in other industries? And then you know, I would coach
Speaker 1: friends here and there when they would have a pitch for,
Speaker 1: you know, something major that mattered to them. And then
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election happened, and um, I started feeling
Speaker 1: like the activism I was doing in my own life
Speaker 1: and the skill set that I had could actually coincide.
Speaker 1: And that was a pretty new thought for me, actually,
Speaker 1: and and it ended up manifesting itself in move on
Speaker 1: dot org finding me and having me coach a lot
Speaker 1: of women who are running for office for the midterms,
Speaker 1: and god, that was such a good experience and it
Speaker 1: really made me realize that, you know, so much of
Speaker 1: the um work of dialect coaching. You know, people hear
Speaker 1: actors and they think, oh, I'm not an actor, so
Speaker 1: I can't do whatever that is or what smart does
Speaker 1: isn't as relevant for me. But the reality is it
Speaker 1: is like this small percentage about those vowels and consonant
Speaker 1: sounds and this huge percentage about how humans communicate. And
Speaker 1: I realized that I've been spending my entire life like
Speaker 1: sort of logging away both amazing readings on that subject
Speaker 1: and also picking up mentors and all so observing. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm finally with this podcast and with the
Speaker 1: work I'm doing, like taking head on that question what
Speaker 1: does power sound like? Because a lot of us have
Speaker 1: a version in our heads of all the people we've
Speaker 1: heard through the ages and what they used to sound like, namely,
Speaker 1: you know, this sort of rich, grumpy white man narrative. Uh.
Speaker 1: And if we don't sound like that, we either try
Speaker 1: to or we shut ourselves out before we're even shut
Speaker 1: out of rooms of power. And you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of that is societal. It's not our fault. But to
Speaker 1: the extent that we do have power, I'm interested in
Speaker 1: playing there. The experience has been so interesting to create
Speaker 1: a podcast it's about empowering female voices because there's decisions
Speaker 1: along the way that we have to make in order
Speaker 1: to market the show the right way. Yes, we were
Speaker 1: We were talking at some point about these images of
Speaker 1: my mouth that were used for a New York Times
Speaker 1: piece about my work from a few years ago. It's
Speaker 1: my mouth actually moving into three different vowel sounds, if
Speaker 1: we want to be very technical about it. But on
Speaker 1: its own, the female mouth often just gets really sexualized.
Speaker 1: And look nothing against sexuality or against my lips being amazing.
Speaker 1: But you know, when we think about women's mouths, we
Speaker 1: often think about them sort of from the perspective of
Speaker 1: the male gaze, and a mouth that's closed is, you know,
Speaker 1: looking hot for the sake of a man. A mouth
Speaker 1: that's open is often used in media as a sort
Speaker 1: of shorthand for women or shrill. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's um unconscious or not, but you know, there's like
Speaker 1: a mainstream media choice about how to portray women who
Speaker 1: dare to be powerful. And so I went into the
Speaker 1: idea of what to do with this logo design, uh,
Speaker 1: knowing all of that, and what we ended up with
Speaker 1: him that I kind of love is it's my mouth
Speaker 1: literally in the middle of talking. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for somebody to decide what I was
Speaker 1: saying in that exact moment. We were all sort of
Speaker 1: arrested by that image when we were looking back at
Speaker 1: um the proofs, because we just don't actually often see
Speaker 1: a woman's mouth just in the process of talking. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me on your episode zero.
Speaker 1: This is a good, uh brief sort of thumbnail version
Speaker 1: of what I think people are going to find out
Speaker 1: is so great about your podcast in the coming uh
Speaker 1: for decades and lifetime. So thank you. I'm just so
Speaker 1: excited to be on this journey, and I hope our
Speaker 1: listeners understand how much we want them to obviously take
Speaker 1: a minute and listen, but to really become a part
Speaker 1: of this community and share your voice with us and
Speaker 1: with the people around you, and to have permission to
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