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Speaker 1: Worry.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contained spoilers for the Last of Us season

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Speaker 2: two and one, so you better watch that. Be Who

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Speaker 2: are you listening to this? Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 2: Kincepsio and on Mesday Night, Welcome back to x ray

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Speaker 2: Vision of the podcast where we dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 2: and pop culture. Coming from my our podcast. We're bringing

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Speaker 2: you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday plus news.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we are talking about the already heartbreaking

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Speaker 1: second season of the Last of Us, with the first

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Speaker 1: episode available on HBO and Max right now. And who

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be recapping that first episode. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about the issues with Jackson Wyoming.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna complaining.

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Speaker 1: Love me and Jason. We're gonna be out here complaining

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Speaker 1: from our warm houses, whether it go some of these

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Speaker 1: telling everyone how they should be doing a bad job.

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Speaker 2: We open on the final scene from season one, in

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Speaker 2: which Joel promises Ellie that his story of their escape

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Speaker 2: from the Firefly Research facility is true. Now, just as

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Speaker 2: to remind everybody, Joel's story is there were lots of

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Speaker 2: immune people that had come through that facility. The fireflies

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Speaker 2: have given up on a cure and it was actually

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Speaker 2: raiders that killed everybody, not Joel Elle, And so we

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Speaker 2: cut directly from there to the same site. It's later

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Speaker 2: the escape zoo animals are looking on as Abby, whose

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Speaker 2: Melmanny and some others whose names we might not have gotten.

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Speaker 2: the masacre. And now they have buried everybody. In their

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Speaker 2: morning they talk about the rumors about who might have

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Speaker 2: But also like clearly there's a lot of secrecy around

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Speaker 1: Know about Ellie at all. Scientists, Yes, they have no

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Speaker 1: idea about Ali. The scientists died and that's it.

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Speaker 2: So what's left to do now? And Abby is pretty

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Speaker 2: clear on this what's left to do now is hunt

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Speaker 2: so Abby's like, Okay, what do we know. He's fifties,

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Speaker 2: Owen suggests that they have some people in Seattle and

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Speaker 2: and she makes Owen in a kind of mirror image

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Speaker 2: of the Joel Ellie promise. She makes Owen promise that

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Speaker 2: he will help her hunt down Joel and also help

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Speaker 1: Chill, just chill, like you know, everybody I get it,

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Speaker 1: but like everybody dies in this like and people get.

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Speaker 3: I think the vengeance, the cycle of vengeance.

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of what is so compelling about

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Speaker 2: this show for me, is in a world without law,

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Speaker 2: the only real law and reaper hushion is your own

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Speaker 3: Getting buned in there. Like, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You want to save the pipe, but maybe that pipe

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Speaker 1: This is the problem, I think, one of the many

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Speaker 2: We can't wait to go later.

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Speaker 1: The real truth is I love teenagers. I am on

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Speaker 2: I think something you bring up a good point, which

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Speaker 2: Joel is doing repair work on the breakers for the

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Speaker 2: Cruise need guidance out there, like they don't know what

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Speaker 2: They're shooting it. Infected and we learned that there's not

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Speaker 3: It seems like there's more of them than they were.

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Speaker 2: And Ellie's like great, but Tommy's like, no, but you're

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Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, well I can do that because

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Speaker 1: And he's like, shutting the fuck off.

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Speaker 3: It's stop saying.

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Speaker 2: Up, Chill is serious, She's not. People are getting killed anyway.

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Speaker 2: Tommy's like, but listen, if you go back on patrol,

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Speaker 2: And she clearly won't. We get that right, there's no

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Speaker 2: And Maria's like, Joel, you gotta like drive your crews harder.

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Speaker 2: with this construction. We've got peace coming in. We don't

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Speaker 1: How about two people don't need a whole craftsman house,

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Speaker 1: Like if you live in a socialist call me and

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like I get.

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Speaker 3: It, guys, but like, if you.

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Speaker 3: I would like my own house.

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Speaker 2: But I do like, why is Elly living by herself.

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Speaker 1: In a garage? Like she doesn't need that, guys, like

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Speaker 3: But I do like when it's kind of the.

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Speaker 1: Ultimate I think conversation around these kind of things. Because

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Speaker 1: Joel makes like a really good point, but as Maria

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Speaker 1: So it's a very interesting conversation. But I actually found

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Speaker 1: when Tommy returned, I felt that to be the most

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Speaker 1: interesting thing. When he comes back and he just straight

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Speaker 2: he just was like, where are you been. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: season two, Catherine, Wonderful Catherine. He pays for his session

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Speaker 2: I think she knows. She knows he's lying of the.

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Speaker 3: In Joel's kind of protection, which we know is violence.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's exactly right. Dina and Ellie as

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Speaker 2: So Ellie and Dina have to do their debrief with

433
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Speaker 2: the Council, the full Council.

434
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Speaker 1: Which, by the way, sorry, I just need to say

435
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: something about Jackson Wyoming here.

436
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: I love the idea of the council.

437
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: I am look, everyone knows I'm a socialist, I do

438
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: have those vibes. But also I also recently was voted

439
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: as member of the neighborhood council in sam Pedrocchial Council,

440
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: So thank you, But can I just say something, what

441
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: on earth why did they spend this time like building

442
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: a council room?

443
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: Like why did it have?

444
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: Like I get it that they're trying to make like

445
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: society come back, but what parts of society are you replicating?

446
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: How many men had to find the wood and build

447
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: this kind of town hall because it looks like a

448
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: ceremonial room, Like I feel like they're not putting the right.

449
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: Energy into what they are building.

450
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: Listen, I do think that one of the things that's

451
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: frustrating me about this episode is you're making socialism look bad, guys.

452
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: To make a socialism look is like not.

453
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: I just feel like we could tighten it up.

454
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Speaker 3: I think they can. You know what, I think they

455
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: got to be better about. If I'm in Jackson, Wyoming.

456
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: No no husband than wives on the council, guys, they're

457
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: having these they're having these arguments, which I love because

458
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: it's so I know.

459
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: Early on when it's this very small community, I get,

460
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: but as soon as now, yeah, at the size it is, now,

461
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: let's have one of you, yeah, because you can have both.

462
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: They have this great interaction where Ellie tells Tommy like, oh,

463
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: so you and Joe wouldn't have gone in, and he's

464
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: like that's different, and Maria's like, how's it fucking different?

465
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: Great point because she knows what he means. But if

466
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Speaker 1: he was, if that wasn't a husband and wife situation,

467
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: maybe we could deal with this in a bit more

468
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Speaker 1: of a cious way.

469
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: Guys, and and on another level, Council of Jackson, Wyoming,

470
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: stop sending surly teens who don't plan to the very

471
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: like important plans and orders and protocols because people's lives

472
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: are at stake in the lives of everybody in the community.

473
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: Stop putting them on patrol duty.

474
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Speaker 1: Why isn't there essentially like a college system that is

475
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: just Joel teaching people trades. All the teenagers should just

476
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: be learning, like how to build a house?

477
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: Yes, how to the breakers?

478
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: Like Diana's the only smart person. Dinas like, could you

479
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: teach me? It's like, oh, fucking thank you, like an

480
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: actual sensible person. But yeah, like, let's stop sending teenagers

481
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: out to the end of the world, like especially something

482
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm interested in that I hope we get to know

483
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: more about. But the choice to open up to refugees,

484
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: which again morally ethically I agree, but I find it

485
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: very interesting because in the first season, if we're just

486
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: going by what we've seen in the TV show, they

487
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: make it quite clear that they had basically created something

488
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: to scare people away. You never go over the river,

489
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: you never go there, and they were keeping it secret.

490
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: So I want I guess.

491
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Speaker 1: It's somethings has changed, something's changed that refugees know to

492
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: come to Jackson, Like is it something like The Walking

493
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Dead where we would often see people put calls out

494
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: for these kind of safe havens, or is it just

495
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: the nature of being there for five years that people

496
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: just start to hear about it. I want to know

497
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: more about that because it's very different than the way

498
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: we saw it, which was essentially they pretended to be raiders.

499
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: They made it seem.

500
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: Like it was overrun with zombies and hope that no

501
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: one would ever find them.

502
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also the issue and then I don't want

503
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: to get into this, but like Amo does go bad

504
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: over to like where's all the that's the other thing,

505
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't we not be shooting? Shouldn't we be shooting a

506
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: lot less?

507
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: They should be shooting coming from because.

508
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. Actually, so, I had an interesting

509
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: experien sperience where I had to research whether or not

510
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: Ammo for an article I was writing, did ever really

511
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: go bad?

512
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: It?

513
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: Does it? It would take a very long time and

514
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: Jenny could still use it?

515
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: Who was making it? That's the question, is like, you

516
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: guys are out here just you're just practicing sniping? Like

517
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: do you don't have no Ammo for practicing sniping? Also,

518
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: where's your AMMO maker? I will say one thing, and

519
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it's the nature of and everyone knows. I'm

520
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: not a huge lover of the Walking Dead TV program.

521
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: It was not particularly for me in structure, but it

522
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: had fantastic cast, incredible performances.

523
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: But one thing I do love about that world.

524
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: And it's something that Tillie Walden has continued in Clementine,

525
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: something we've seen in the video games, something we've seen.

526
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: In the spin offs.

527
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: They are really good at showing how different people with

528
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: different skills could become a part of the post apocalyptic world.

529
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: I need to know where the AMMO guy is, who's

530
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: the guy who's whose.

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Speaker 1: Dad made guns, and now he's there because everybody has

532
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: a gun and he has two guns.

533
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: She is not shy about letting it all. She's letting

534
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: it off all the time. She does not seem to

535
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: be a problem. Yeah, anyway, so the council knows that

536
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: Dina's They're like, Dina's lying. She didn't. Fucking Ellie spirited

537
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: his whole thing.

538
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Dina went along, we believe, But we believe Ellie and

539
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Dina's just go back like love.

540
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: That, and they are. The council is duly worried about

541
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: this potential new kind of infected, and also worried about

542
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: the fact that infected seemed to be coming into the

543
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: valley and increasing numbers.

544
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: But an attacking animals now, because we saw them attack

545
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: that giant bed.

546
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: They took it down.

547
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: But listen, guys, it's New Year's Eve, so let's party.

548
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: While Joel goes to see Ellie, she doesn't want to

549
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: talk to him. Joel is like, oh, your acoustic guitar,

550
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to take it to restring it. It's got

551
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: the firefly on the top, and she goes to He

552
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: goes to take it away and.

553
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: There's a moment.

554
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I love this moment where you can tell that Ellie

555
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: in that second, she understands that that is like Joel's

556
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: love language, like he can't say sorry, but.

557
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: You will just fix something for you.

558
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: And for a moment, her fury kind of breaks through

559
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: and you think she's gonna call after him, but he's

560
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: already gone.

561
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: So we go to the New Year's dance New Year's

562
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: Eve twenty twenty nine. Folks are dancing. The music is

563
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: very like soft bluegrass, modern bluegrass type of thing. Ellie

564
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: is looking sad because Dina was dancing with Jesse on

565
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: the floor.

566
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Speaker 1: And also, just like numerous other guys, she's just going,

567
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: She's going, everybody's already really drunk.

568
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Dina sees Ellie and leads her out onto the dance

569
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: floor and she's like, all these guys should be scared

570
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: of you, which I don't understand. No no, no.

571
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: No no no.

572
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: So this is what she said. So the conversation that happens,

573
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: this is a very teenage girl crush type situation. Conversation

574
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: is Ellie says every guy in here is looking at

575
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: you to Dina and they're dancing together. They're dancing very close,

576
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: and Dina says, well, actually, what if they're looking at you,

577
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: maybe they're jealous of you?

578
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: And Ellie's like, well, I'm not a threat, and.

579
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Dina's well, also, Dina's just seen Ellie like fucking kill

580
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: multiple zombies.

581
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: So I think she's like, well, they should all be

582
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: terrified of you.

583
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: Not.

584
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: I think she means not just as a romantic threat,

585
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: which we're about to see is about to happen, but

586
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: also just because actually Ellie is kind of crazy. I

587
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: think that Dina sees a side of Ellie that she understands.

588
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: And then they start making out, and I love this.

589
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: For Thatt making out. A guy is like, hey, it's

590
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: a family event, there's kids here, can you fucking dial

591
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: it down?

592
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: But what he really means is you're gay, so stop.

593
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: You're gay, so stop. And then he calls them die

594
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: just to make sure that everybody gets it.

595
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like fucking dykes.

596
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: So Joel comes out like batman. I wasn't even know

597
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: where he was in the fucking room.

598
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: It was like he had he was like somebody said something, something,

599
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: somebody said something.

600
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: He drops in from the vent not boob Seth goes

601
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: down and the room like screeches to a hall. Everybody's like,

602
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: oh my god, Maria gets seth out of there. Ellie

603
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: is like shocked, and then she's like, I don't need

604
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: your help to Joel.

605
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's when we really know, Like she's saying, like,

606
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: this is what your help always looks like.

607
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: It's like it's always violence.

608
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is, as much as she says

609
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: that she is Joel's spiritual you guys images she was

610
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: literally and and Tommy says that to her, she's like,

611
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: you and Joel are the same fucking person. Like, and

612
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: she has that moment where when the guy calls him Dykes,

613
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: she's like, what the fuck did you say?

614
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: And she goes up to him.

615
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: And if Joel hadn't like fucking knocked him out, that

616
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: would have well, Ellie would have been, you know, given

617
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: him the old real naked chokehold or whatever.

618
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Like Gail is watching this like, oh my god, here's

619
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: my next session with Joel. This is gonna be this.

620
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: She's deity like picking up on these things that we

621
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: are picking up about Ellie and Joel of like, oh,

622
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: so your dad stuck up for you against a homophobe.

623
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you need that kind of help?

624
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: Like hmm, Ellie walks home, she sees Joel playing his

625
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: guitar on the porch and the cold, and she just

626
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: walks on.

627
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

628
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: Later that night, as people are celebrating out on the

629
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: wall and all around town, we see the thing that

630
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: we were getting. We knew this would fucking happen. The

631
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: fungi worms are crawling out of that cracked clay pipe.

632
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: Of course, it literally looks so much like corny steps guys,

633
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: Like I was like, why is DNA just touching it?

634
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: Like why are you the dangerous in this world? Burnet

635
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Bune but it with fire.

636
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: It's just everybody, get it together to the Council of Jackson, Wyoming.

637
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: Tighten your ship up, Tighten it up, because it's a

638
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: mess over here. Meanwhile, Abby and Owen arrive in the

639
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: mountains and they can see the lights of Jackson ahead

640
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: of them. So a big showdown coming for episode two.

641
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this episode, Rosie.

642
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, very beautifully made episode.

643
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: I agree. I just I'm feeling the weight of dread

644
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: on me at every moment, Like it is very just

645
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: painful to watch because I think that Pedro Pascal was

646
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime casting for Joel, and the

647
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: pain and anger and regret and guilt that he is

648
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: able to put across.

649
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: In every episode is just so powerful.

650
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: And I think because we have played the game and

651
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: it just heart breaks my heart to see him and

652
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Ellie in this situation. And I know that's why they

653
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: have kind of dialed back that relationship, because as the

654
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: show moves on, this will make what happens even more heartbreaking.

655
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's a I thought it was

656
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: a great episode.

657
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: I also love a show, a fictional show that makes

658
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: me want to yell at the show with my friends,

659
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: Like yes, I love that.

660
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: That's a sign of a good show.

661
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: That's a sign of a good show as you're like,

662
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: what the fuck, like why are you doing this now?

663
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: But I did cheer when Joel knocked out the homophobe.

664
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: I do wonder if I do I think people. I

665
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: think there's gonna be some folks who are a little

666
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: frustrated at the fact that, you know, like there's like

667
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: a Joel and Ellie's relationship is like this after everything

668
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: that happened, and the fact that Ellie's like, you know,

669
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 2: lashing out and Joel seems unable to like reach her.

670
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: I think people are going to be slightly frustrated, but

671
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really great episode. And yeah,

672
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: to your point, like yelling at the I was doing

673
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: so much of like what are you doing? We were

674
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: Carmen's who producer. Carmen was like before the episode was like,

675
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: we should do a thing where we figure out like

676
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: what everybody's role in Jackson Lyne Wing Camp would be.

677
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, my role would be like just

678
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: going over to people and be like that's wrong, you're

679
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: doing that wrong.

680
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's the code enforce that.

681
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not even the code enforcer. I'm just

682
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: the guy on lots of edibles who's has no official

683
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: role with the community. But it's like, why are you

684
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: doing that way your feud.

685
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: You're just like sitting in your house reading books, taking

686
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: edible coming out and you're like, guys, I'm.

687
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: In my five bedroom, a beautiful craftsman home by myself.

688
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: Never afforded it before.

689
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 3: There' zombie a pockets right now, I've.

690
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: Got all to myself. New refugees coming in. Where are

691
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: we gonna put them? I have no idea, not in

692
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: my house. I don't know. I get clothes to build

693
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: some houses from scratch because I got I got my

694
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: record collection in one room, you know, oh, my gun's room.

695
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you know, if I'm gonna have a baby

696
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: or someone else I knows have a baby, then maybe

697
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: I'll put them in that room.

698
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: I would. Realistically, I had always.

699
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: Thought, like what would my role be, because that's the

700
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: kind of thing you think when you're in these when

701
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: you like this kind of stuff and you love them. Honestly,

702
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: I never really knew because I was like, I don't know,

703
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of people who can like cook

704
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: a meal, but now now I can crochet. I know

705
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I would just be made mad socks and blinks.

706
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: You think you'd make it? My thing is like I

707
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: wouldn't make it.

708
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: I would. I would never have made it to Jackson, Wyoming.

709
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm getting killed. Like the first day. The first day,

710
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: I can't even drive, Like where are you? I'm just

711
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: staying in my house.

712
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: If without it all depends is like do I lose

713
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: my glasses early in the chaos.

714
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: Oh my, if I lose my glass, style, we are

715
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: we are gone. It's that see me till I.

716
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: Am finished and then I have asthma, so I'd need

717
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: to scavenge some asthma hailers. So if I lose my

718
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: glasses early in the zombie pockleps.

719
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: Forget it, folks, dude, this is this is true as

720
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: as superb and put it. Every city dwelling person with

721
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: bad eyesight is done. And you know what, it's true

722
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: over it's and you know what, maybe we would learn

723
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: something from the clickers because those motherfuckers blind, so who knows,

724
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: Like maybe it would help us, but you know what

725
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I would I always I've always been like a plan

726
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: or like where's the closest place I could hide?

727
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 3: That's generally always. When I used to work at.

728
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: A bar, we had we had a bar, and the

729
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: whole front of the building. It was a concrete building.

730
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: You could only get in the front, and the whole

731
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: front of the building had these great shutters. So we

732
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: always used to be like, well, we'll just go to

733
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: the bar and we'll just go on the roof of

734
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: the bar.

735
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 3: But behind that, for sure, me, definitely i'd be a hider.

736
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: I'd be a hider.

737
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: But also, like you know, my biggest issue I hate

738
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: to get like a splinter. So I'm really gonna be

739
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: out here like trying to cover up my like nail

740
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: my windows with some wood, and I'm gonna get a

741
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: splinter and just have like an autistic breakdown and.

742
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: Just you're never gonna see me. The the zombies are eating

743
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: my feet, Like.

744
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: That's a great one, because like there's my allergies are

745
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: kicking off right now. And I keep rubbing my eye

746
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: even though I shoult. I'm like, I got yeah, that's what.

747
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: I keep running my eye and I keep rubbing it

748
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: at night. And if I was in the post apocalyptic,

749
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: post infected world where I'm like hiding and basements and

750
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: crawling through crawl spaces and on these like a little

751
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: different like Heidi holes, I'd be would not be able

752
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: to stop rubbing my.

753
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: Eye or your eyes would be.

754
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Lost my eye and I'd be dead and I wouldn't

755
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: get a million percent get infected by corty SIPs somehow.

756
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean, also, you know what, I love bread, So

757
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: I would have been dead already because I would have

758
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: already eaten the flower, like I would have been there.

759
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: They're like, oh guys, there might be a recall on

760
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: some bread. I'm like sorry, I'm already eating it, like

761
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: and then I'm dead, dead by quarter steps. So I

762
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: don't think either of us would have made it to Jackson,

763
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: But who knows. Maybe we'd meet like a hunky dad

764
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: like Joel and he'd help you.

765
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: That would be great. Neither boo.

766
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: He's also out. He also has glasses.

767
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: Basically all of us have done comments only one surviving,

768
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Me and Christina.

769
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Once we both have like about the same I prescription,

770
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: so we did. We took off our glasses and we

771
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: stood at opposite ends of the room, and we were like, okay,

772
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: let's keep taking a step towards each other until we

773
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: can see and clearly make out each other's faces. And

774
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: it was so pathetic, like how close we had to get,

775
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: like it was literally like within arm's reach to be like, okay,

776
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: I recognize.

777
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Truly, that's something also like my I think the only

778
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: way I would survive is like if I think the

779
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: likelihood of me surviving would be way higher if I

780
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: was like if I had not done a good job

781
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: at getting my medication so I didn't have like my

782
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: lexapro and all the other things, keep my stuff.

783
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: If I stocked up, I could I could run.

784
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: If I didn't have it, and I became like really

785
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: deranged and like was not on any medication and was

786
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: just hyped up all the time.

787
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a version where I could survive.

788
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: I think normal, comfortable, like sensible Rosie that I am

789
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: now I would not survive, but deranged teen Rosie. Oh maybe.

790
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: Shit it if I have to like jump on an

791
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: infected's back and stab it to death, forget it. That

792
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: it's never happening.

793
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: I gotta make friends with someone like Tommy, who's gonna

794
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: teach me how.

795
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 3: To snipe as close as.

796
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm gay, I need as well, and I need to

797
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: know the bullet guy. Whoever the bullet guy.

798
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: Is the bullet guy who's come on, guys, send me

799
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: a message. We got to start getting their post apocalyptic together. Okay,

800
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Aaron says, can we talk about Isabella.

801
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 3: She's so great.

802
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I love her plays Dina obviously star of Madam Webb

803
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: famous role and The Last City of Gord, which, by

804
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: the way, is actually hilarious banging movie.

805
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: You should actually.

806
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: Watch it. She's so good.

807
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: I love how warm she is. I also love she

808
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: is and for Joel because I.

809
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Like the moment when Joel says to Gail like she

810
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: acts like she's my daughter. It's like, no, she acts

811
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: like what you wish your daughter would act like. You know,

812
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: actually know what your daughter would act like, because she

813
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: is dead and that traumatized you. And now you have

814
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: this surrogate daughter who doesn't behave in any of the

815
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: ways that you wish a daughter would act. And I

816
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: think Dina is so brilliant and Isabella is so brilliant

817
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: in the role because you kind of just immediately feel like, yeah,

818
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: I understand her. She's in this world, this is her

819
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: place within it, and she has gone to live, as

820
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: far as we know, a rather sheltered life in Jackson,

821
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: Wyoming because she has so much confidence.

822
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 3: In her safety there.

823
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: And you know, she's running around and drinking and dancing

824
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: and living it up, and for some reason, she's feeling

825
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: so secure that she even dumps Jesse, who is the

826
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: hot young brother from Beef. So I'm like, babe, you're

827
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: feeling you're feeling pretty confident, but she obviously feeling she's

828
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: having those bisexual feelings, and I support it.

829
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: Gives me a real sense of like dread to that

830
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: of what they're about to go through. Yeah, and you're

831
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: absolutely right to point out that it certainly seems like

832
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Dina has not had either. She is pretty unaffected by Dale, yeah,

833
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: by the trauma of what's occurred these last ten fifteen years,

834
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: or she's been so effectively sheltered by the worst parts

835
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: of it that she still has this wonderful, like sunny

836
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: like optimism, Like.

837
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: She doesn't she'll get drunk, she'll die, Like she has

838
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: an ease to her that Ellie does not have.

839
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: And you know, this is a show about revenge, and

840
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: it's the revenge she's about to get swept up in it.

841
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: And I think it's really sad. Again. I can't stop

842
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: thinking about how Dale Gail excuse me, really is she

843
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: exists to be the answer to how you stop all

844
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: of this. Yeah, it's really And you understand why it's

845
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: so hard, like to sit there with the person who

846
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: killed your husband and be like, it wasn't your fault.

847
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: I'm really angry about it. Yeah, I understand that it

848
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: was not your fault. You couldn't do anything, but I

849
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: need to express that I'm like furious and I'm heartbroken.

850
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also it reminds me a lot of you know,

851
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: we recently did our dead evil episode one O eight

852
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: recap and talk, And there's a moment in that where

853
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: my favorite characters everyone knows Ben Poindex the mass murderer,

854
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Benjamin Poindex the AKA boys, you know, love that guy.

855
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: But he says to Matt, he says, you know, in

856
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: another world, wouldn't you be defending me? Because isn't that

857
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: what good men do? They defend their worst enemies, you know.

858
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: And I think that Gail is essentially that representation for

859
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: the Last of Us, where yeah, you have to fucking

860
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: swallow it. You have to say, hey, we live in

861
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: a fucking zombie apocalypse and people are gonna die. And

862
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: I will say, shall we do like a two minute

863
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: put your ear muffs on if you haven't played, Yeah,

864
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: let's doe the station. Okay, put yours on. If you

865
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: have a blank game and you want to stay spoiler free.

866
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just turn to the episode.

867
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Just turn the episode. Now.

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Speaker 2: We love you, bye, thank you for listening. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you. Here we go, we're

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Speaker 2: about to start it now. Okay, let's start it now.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think something that the inevitable death.

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Speaker 3: Of Joel that you know, I think episode.

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Speaker 1: I think episode two it has to happen because now

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Speaker 1: we've seen Abby's gang, unless they decide to do a

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Speaker 1: bottle episode about Abby and her journey there, which I

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Speaker 1: could see them potentially doing.

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Speaker 2: I could see them doing it.

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Speaker 1: Basically, if the show had followed the game, they would

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Speaker 1: have killed him in episode one, and I think if

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Speaker 1: they'd have cast anyone other than Pedro Pascal, they would

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Speaker 1: have killed them in APIs. He is so fantastic that

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Speaker 1: you want to have him around as long as you can.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that having this extra time does

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Speaker 1: lessen some of the emotional propulsion that you get from

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Speaker 1: the horrific events and the way that they chose to

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Speaker 1: represent Joel's massacre, which I thought was so fantastically done

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Speaker 1: and so so correct. That's the only way to represent it.

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Speaker 1: But when this episode begins, you see Abby and the

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Speaker 1: gang and they're burying the bodies and there's maybe like,

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Speaker 1: I know, eight bodies or something, and then you kind

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Speaker 1: of spend time in why. I mean, you see all

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Speaker 1: these different people coming and you kind of start thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: kind of like you said about the way Gail responds

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Speaker 1: to Joel killing Eugene is like, well, actually a lot

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Speaker 1: of people do just die in this world and we

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Speaker 1: don't know if the cure would have worked, and it starts,

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Speaker 1: I think, to lessen a little bit of the empathy

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Speaker 1: and understanding that you would have with Abby, and obviously

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Speaker 1: we're not in her shoes and the way we are

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Speaker 1: in the game, but like, I just think that suddenly

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, everyone kills people in

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Speaker 1: this and kind of like maybe Joel, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: I suddenly don't think Joel was the most wrong in

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Speaker 1: the world for doing it. And I never really had

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Speaker 1: that feeling when I played the game, even though there

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Speaker 1: was a massive gap between them. I immediately was like,

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Speaker 1: I understand why this is happening.

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Speaker 3: What Joel did was horrific.

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Speaker 1: But here I feel a bit more. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it has become after this episode, and maybe that's just

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Speaker 1: their great storytelling, because I do love Joel in this show,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like it's become a little bit less

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Speaker 1: urgent and a little bit less clean cut than it

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Speaker 1: felt at the end of the last series.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with the tape, but I think I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give it until episode two to see because

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I do think that we have

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Speaker 2: to I think that it would make sense to see

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Speaker 2: a lot of Abby's backstory before they kill Joel. Yes,

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Speaker 2: just so she doesn't immediately become the pure antagonist because

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Speaker 2: she's she's not. She's acting according to the same urges

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Speaker 2: and desire for justice that Ellie is about to be

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Speaker 2: working under her, working on her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think if they if they do the next

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Speaker 1: episode and they show what Joel did from Abby's perspective

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Speaker 1: when she was younger, when she saw her father being killed,

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Speaker 1: I think that could put us in a good position

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Speaker 1: to understand everything that's about to come next.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree, do they I wonder how, uh you know?

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Speaker 2: How slow they do kill Joel? Do you think I

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Speaker 2: imagine it? It can't be worse than it is in

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Speaker 2: the game, because the game is pretty fucking bad.

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Speaker 3: It can't be worse than it is in the game.

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Speaker 1: And I also think, do they learn from a show

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Speaker 1: like The Walking Dead where after Joel in the chat

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Speaker 1: was like famous last words, Craig's to hurt us is about.

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Speaker 3: To go down? But also I would say, do they

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Speaker 3: learn from.

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Speaker 1: A show like The Walking Dead where after Glenn was

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Speaker 1: killed and the kind of vicious brutality that they seem

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Speaker 1: to lavish in that moment and the horror that they

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Speaker 1: put on him and the way that Megan killed.

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Speaker 3: Him spoiler alert for like a ten year old chair

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Speaker 3: and a fifteen year old comic.

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Speaker 1: But do they learn that maybe people don't want to

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Speaker 1: see that and then they're not gonna tune in after

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Speaker 1: that happens, or do they go super gruesome and they

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Speaker 1: hope that people's love for Joel and Vengeance will want

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Speaker 1: to see, you know, Ellie go on this quest. And

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Speaker 1: they have been quite interesting in this press tour, the

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Speaker 1: creators saying, well, they might not be a last of

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Speaker 1: us season three, So I'm also interested to see how

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Speaker 1: much of the game we cover in this Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I My other big question is how much how big

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Speaker 2: are the changes? I think clearly we've seen already that

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Speaker 2: the changes, while somewhat small, have been I think significant.

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Speaker 2: They feel the way they've widened the world, whether it's

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Speaker 2: this new kind of infected or you know, the bringing

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Speaker 2: Abby and her crew into the story in a different way.

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Speaker 2: And so I wonder if we end up in the

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Speaker 2: same place.

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Speaker 1: I know That's what I was wondering too, is like,

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Speaker 1: are they gonna, Yeah, what are the changes that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see and Yeah, I'm very interested to see where

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Speaker 1: they go next because this is gonna be, I think,

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Speaker 1: one of the most controversial and like shocking moments in TV.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know what's coming.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree. I'll be super Bizerve Boots selling us

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Speaker 2: that season three I confirmed yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Will be wrong. There will be a season three, thanks

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Speaker 3: Craig Mazon tell us.

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Speaker 2: There will be other There will be other episodes of

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision in the next few episodes. We're breaking

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Speaker 2: down the season finale of Daredevil Born Again on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and then next week we begin our journey with and

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Speaker 2: Or season two. Wednesday, we'll have our recaps of the

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Speaker 2: first three episodes of and Or season two, and then

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Speaker 2: Friday we'll do a deep dive with a full Jedi

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Speaker 2: Council roundtable discussion about the show. Plaus We're gonna break

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Speaker 2: down a little bit more backstory on the thunder Bolts

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Speaker 2: with our book Club episode on Thursday, covering the first

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Speaker 2: issue of Thunderbolts number one from nineteen ninety seven. That's

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Speaker 2: it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye. X ray

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Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion, I'm rosday Night and

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Speaker 2: is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joe Alminique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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