WEBVTT - Jackpot Match 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.120 The day I was adopted. The things that I know 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:07.160 were that Diane went into labor, was taken to the hospital. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.000 I was told that there was a huge media frenzy outside. 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.800 So once I was born, I was told that she 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.520 did not hold me. But the way that she tells 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.639 it is that she spent hours with me in the 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.480 hospital holding me as a baby. So I'm not really 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.520 sure which is the right. You know, I don't know 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.240 which is true. I'm trying to think of the word 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.120 that I wanted to say, but I don't know. An 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.080 officer took me out the back to hide from the 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.839 media and rushed me over to a hotel nearby. That's 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:39.120 where my parents were waiting. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.519 Did your adoptive parents know who you were related to? 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.760 Yes, my adoptive parents didn't know. My mom even told 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.519 me that, you know, she had or her and my 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.720 father had gone to my grandfather and was like, you know, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.200 we've got this child. We're very excited about it. But 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.960 you know, she is Diane Down's daughter. How do you feel? 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.440 And you know he just said she's a babcock. You know, 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.840 it doesn't matter where she came from, she's ours, you know, 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:22.399 in some in a roundabout way. My mom did tell 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.520 me a little bit about the day I was born, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.800 and that they were waiting at that hotel room and 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.000 the officer coming through the door holding the little baby girl, 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.039 and she said that she looked down at me and 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.840 that I was perfect. You know, that didn't matter where 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.280 I came from, you know, because I'm her daughter, and 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.040 to her, I was perfect. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.240 Dana Timms was able to confirm some of what Becky 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.000 had heard about the day she was born. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.600 I was told that the day that I was born, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.240 that Diane held me for a very long time, for 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.680 a couple of hours. Then I was also told that 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.840 I had to be snuck out the back of the 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.080 hospital by authorities because of the media that was out 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.200 front covering the story. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.240 Do you know anything about that? That's probably true, although 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.320 it was you were born ten days after her conviction, 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.280 so I'm not sure that. I mean, certainly, the Lane 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.880 Kenny sheriffs didn't alert the press to say, hey, Diane's 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.280 been taken to the hospital, so if they took you 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.079 out the back, it would have been as a precaution, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.799 not that there was a row of TV camera set 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.880 up there. Okay, but yeah, I think she held you 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.560 for maybe even longer than two hours, and she let 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.480 Doug Welch, one of the Lenkheady Sheriff's detectives, hold you also. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.760 I'll say also that during the trial, as she was 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.679 sort of continuing to get fuller, as her pregnancy was 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.080 moving along, she was constantly it was hands on her belly, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.640 and it was sort of like she had a little 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.720 partner every day who was helping bring her strength in 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.600 a tough situation. Definitely got the feeling that she was 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:58.680 holding you all that time. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.720 The idea of Diane's court room pregnancy and subsequent birth 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.200 after conviction were perhaps an important part of Becky's own 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.960 experience to come. She experienced pregnancy and her teens, and 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:12.520 the experience wasn't easy. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.560 Yeah, And I begged them, I said, please don't tell 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.240 my dad, you know, he can't let me at least 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.760 tell him that I'm pregnant, you know. And they ended 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.000 up telling him. And I talked to my dad later 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.040 about it. I was like, I asked them not to 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.200 tell you. He's like, you're a minor, like so, and 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.160 that's how I phrased it. I knew something was wrong. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.880 There was a reason you were not at boot camp, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.640 you know. And so he's like, that's how we found out. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.520 You must have been going through so many emotions. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.160 Oh my gosh. I remember I was just crying and 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.360 it got to the point where nobody was telling me anything. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.320 At MEP's in Portland, I just left. I was like, 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 I'm not going to boot camp obviously, I can't just 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.760 sit here and do nothing. And I left and I 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.720 went back to where I was staying, and I, you know, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.920 sat down on the couch next to Christians biological father 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.600 and sat there for a while in silence. Then I 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.320 looked over at him and I'm like, I'm pregnant. He says, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:07.600 I know. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:09.160 That was it. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.400 We sat there for like an hour, just silent, and 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.440 later on I asked him, I'm like, what do you mean, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.240 how did you know? He's like, because you're back. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.040 Becky's second pregnancy was initially planned with her then boyfriend, 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.480 a different man from her first pregnancy. She loved him 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.159 and they wanted a child together. Unfortunately, things began to 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.839 fall apart and the situation became difficult. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.400 It was a high risk of pregnancy. I was bedridden 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.440 for most of it. I didn't want to give up 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.200 on our family. So I ended up staying in a 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.560 homeless shelter because they couldn't work, and he went back 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.240 to his ex and they just they were awful. They 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.720 just kept telling me, you know, that they were going 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.480 to take him from me, or they were going to 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.160 have the state take him from me, and it's all 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.960 these horrible things things whereas I'm here in Clement Falls 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.640 trying to make our family work, and it didn't. So 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.239 I called my parents, you know, and I asked for help. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.599 Becky's parents agreed to take her in and help take 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.160 care of her during the pregnancy, but on the condition 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.640 that she consider adoption. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.839 So I didn't decide until I was eight months pregnant 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.280 that adoption was what was going to be best. I 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.320 fought it, I really, I tried so hard to get 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.200 everything right in my life just so that I could 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.880 keep him. But in about eight months I had to 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.000 just accept that I couldn't. And so we got a 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.839 hold of the adoption agency and they brought all these 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.800 folders of families, just family after family after family, and 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.320 I just remember going through the pages and just thinking, 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.360 like these people cannot raise my child. Is you know, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.960 this isn't the right place for him. I had to 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.440 pick somewhere that was perfect. And in one of the 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:05.240 very last folders that I got were the ones they 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.560 had already had a son and they just couldn't have 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.840 children together. So that was who I chose, and you know, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.160 I met them and they they were just amazing. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.559 Letting go wasn't easy for Becky. In many ways, giving 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.440 up her second child mirror Diane's own experience with her, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.839 but Becky was able to control the narrative. As difficult 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.440 as the situation was, she was able to ensure that 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.120 he went to a family who would love him. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:36.120 I didn't even hold him for very long, and they 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.040 just had to take him because I didn't let go. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.719 So they took him and the family was in a 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:47.000 room close by, and they spent those first two days 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.000 in the hospital with them. You know how mom stays 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:49.919 in the first. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:50.680 Day ought to do that. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.680 I had to go home and recover, And two days 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.600 later I get a call from the hospital. They forgot 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.360 to have me sign the adoption baby. They left those 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:05.280 parts out, so I actually had to go back into 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.000 the hospital and see them and see the baby and 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.000 sign over my rights. Right then, after two days of 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.000 just misery because I gave my child away. It was 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.600 the hardest moment of my life. But he is with 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:26.320 an amazing family. He's doing so great. I get pictures 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.240 every year on his birthday, and you know, it's an 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:33.040 open adoption. But at this point, I feel that I'm 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.600 gonna wait until he's ready to find me. I don't 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.520 want to push myself into his life. And they didn't 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.480 hide that he was adopted, so you know, I'm sure 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.600 when he's ready, or if he's ever ready, he'll find me. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.360 Perhaps thinking back on her own situation and her curiosity 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.360 about her own biological parents that could consider whether or 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.640 not the son she gave up for adoption would one 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.960 day wonder about her and who she was, so she 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:02.960 made sure he would have the answers if he ever 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:03.880 wanted them. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.000 Of course, I wrote him a letter and gave it 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.320 to the parents to give him when he was old 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.240 enough to just. I remember writing it when I had 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.320 decided to put him up when I get my apartment, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.880 and I just I wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.480 and the thing probably was ten pages long, and and 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.800 I just realized that I need to, you know, short 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.440 and sweet, just just a letter to know, let him 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.720 know that I loved him, and then I was really 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.120 doing what I thought was best. I'm terrified that he 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.160 may think bad of me, that he thinks that he 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.320 was unloved, or that he was unwanted or didn't have 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.160 that connection, because you know, he was part of my heart. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.760 Shortly after this difficult experience, Becky reached out to Diane 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:49.720 for the first time. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.720 Do you remember what you wrote, did Diane? 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.800 I think it was pretty general. The first letter, you know, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.559 said that I think I'm a near biological daughter. Here's 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.160 my day to birth time, and here's what I look like, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:02.920 just all the basics. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.000 And then when you reached out to her, this was 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.800 only because you just had your son up for adoption. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.760 He he is now in the picture of with another family. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.280 Is that correct correct? 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.640 We've spoken about the nature of their correspondence in an 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.760 earlier episode, but the letters immediately devolved into Diane attacking 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.720 Becky for wanting to know about her biological father, and 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.600 over the years, Diane has continued to deny that Becky 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.240 is her daughter. Diane recently went so far as to 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.160 claim that Becky could be a disinherited niece out to 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.559 con Diane out of Amy's inheritance. I've corresponded with Diane 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:42.040 through emails, and she is somehow has flipped it to 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:47.080 that you're not her biological daughter. Amy is somewhere out 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:51.840 there and she hasn't reconnected with Amy, and she only 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.680 uses Amy as the name of that little girl, which 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:55.960 is you. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.480 How does that make you feel? 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:00.120 Hearing the name Aim? 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:01.240 How does that make you feel? 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:02.200 Uh? 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.160 Is about the same as hearing the Hungry like Wolf song. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.959 It just kind of sense chills up your spine a 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.679 little bit. I don't identify with it because I don't. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.000 It doesn't fit me. I don't feel like it's my name. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:13.679 Yeah. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.440 In the letters, when she started with her conspiracy theories 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.120 and you know, really getting into stories that I just 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.480 didn't want to hear, and I asked her to stop 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.080 writing me. Is when she decided that I wasn't her daughter, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.280 I am assuming because I rejected her. I asked her 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.120 to stop writing me. And at that point then I 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.160 was the enemy as well, and she decided that I 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.600 was the one who was after her, and I didn't 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:40.079 want to feed into that, so I didn't continue conversating. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.280 There's quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to suggest that 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.240 Becky is Diane's daughter, but the only way to remove 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.840 any lingering doubts Becky might is through DNA. For this, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.760 we check back in with Michelle Leonard, the DNA detective. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.440 With both Becky as well as Diane's brother James, having 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.840 submitted samples, Michelle is finally able to start putting together 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.480 the pieces of the larger puzzle. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:19.760 So with Becky's ancestry results, you get two main components. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.079 You get an ethnicity estimate, and you get the DNA 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.400 match list. And I'm sitting here looking at Becky's results 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.040 page at the moment, and I'm going to open up 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.760 her ethnicity estimate and I'm going to go through what 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.160 that tells us. So first up, so it's telling us 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.760 that Becky is forty six percent Germanic Europe, forty two 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:47.280 percent England, Wales and Northwestern Europe, five percent Eastern Europe 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.359 and Russia four percent Norway three percent Baltics. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.960 That makes sense. I was told that I have Danish ancestry. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.920 One of the other things I've done in preparation for 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.079 the case is I've built a tree out for your 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.960 maternal side, but your Frederickson line goes back to Denmark 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:12.640 came over to the United States after your great great grandfather, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.120 Christian Peter Fredrickson, who was born in eighteen sixty seven, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.640 So he was the immigrant who came to the United 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.480 States and died in South Dakota. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.960 What I think is interesting, just right off the top, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.760 is you said Frederickson line that confirms that Becky is 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.719 in fact the biological daughter of Diane. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:36.480 Downs absolutely one. Yeah, there's there's no doubt about that whatsoever. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.640 That is definite, especially since Diane's brother has also taken 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:46.040 a test and Becky matches him exactly as you would 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:52.440 expect for an uncle niece relationship, So there's no mystery 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.559 as to the maternal side. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.840 Becky, how do you feel about that, because there has 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:01.080 been speculation and doubt, especially from Diane herself, saying that 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.280 you weren't her daughter. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.960 Like you said, Diane has denied I'm her biological daughter 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.760 for a really long time. In her very first letter, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.200 she was excited to have me as her daughter, but 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.200 then you know, it quickly went to I was not 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.960 her daughter, and ever since then she has believed that 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.400 I'm not her biological daughter. So I mean those results 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.280 are super huge for me. That's every emotion you can 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.400 think of is what I feel. I have seen my 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.520 adopted birth certificate, but I've never had this kind of proof, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:41.200 like this is zero doubt I am her biological daughter, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.600 and there's been a lot of stipulation out there and 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:49.080 people weren't quite sure if I was that child that 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.480 you know, she was pregnant with when she was on trial, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.840 So I don't know. It just kind of shows that 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.000 it's real. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.760 Zecky's maternal line established and having finally received confirmation that 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.600 she is in fact Diane's biological daughter, Becky's next question, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.200 and perhaps to her, the most important, is to begin 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.400 tracing the paternal line. In order to do that, Michelle 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.440 has to begin by building a family tree. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.880 I want to know who your maternal ancestors are because 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.680 that helps me with eliminating DNA matches that result from 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.200 your maternal side. So that's why I've built out a 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.359 maternal tree to help me with doing that, and basically 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.840 with outside of the Danish ancestors, that just shows that 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.920 your maternal ancestry has been in the United States in general, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.240 in most lines for a number of generations. The longer 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.400 that the lines have been in the United States, the 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.360 more DNA matches you tend to get to them, which 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.400 is another thing that is important to know about when 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 you're trying to work out the DNA. So if we 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.040 go back to the ethnicity side of things, we've obviously 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:00.280 got this forty six percent Germanic Europe showing up and 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.960 this little bit Eastern Europe and Russia. The little bit 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.480 that's categorizes Norway might well be the Danish the Germanic Europe. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.120 If you can look at the map, it covers quite 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:15.640 a large area which takes in the likes of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.480 Belgium and the Netherlands. So it's quite clear you have 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.840 some strong and a large amount of ancestry from this 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.680 part of Europe. From your ethnicity estimate. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.600 Well that makes sense. I mean I'm five nine and 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.960 blonde hair, green eyes, and yeah, yeah, like I'm from 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:35.600 that region. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.560 As Michean Packspecky's estimated ethnicities, she warns that they're accurate 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.200 to some extent, but they don't give much detail at 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:44.080 a micro level. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.560 It does make sense in those terms, yes, and the 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.320 looking down the rest of it obviously there's the forty 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.280 two percent England, Wales and northwestern Europe. I suspect that 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.480 quite a lot of that is your maternal side, those 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.400 American lines that have maybe come over from England, Wales, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.560 et cetera further back in time. I always say, don't 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.200 read too much into the ethnicity estimate as a whole. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.600 It's very interesting to see, especially when you have one 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.880 side of your ancestry that's unknown. It can really give 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.240 you a clue as to the direction to look in, 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.280 but it's never going to solve the case, and there's 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.680 always going to be, you know, things that aren't quite 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:23.360 right with ethnicity estimates as well. I say, they're generally 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.560 accurate to the continental level, but when you try to 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.720 drill them down further to country level, it's much more 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.840 difficult to do, and they have to be taken with 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.080 a bit of a pinch of salt. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.840 At the same time, Michelle believes that even with the 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.560 information she has currently and with a few more database emissions, 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.000 she will be able to trace Becky's paternity. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:44.560 So do you think we're going to be able to 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:45.520 solve the mystery? 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.400 I really do think we are the key, However, to 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.280 solving the mystery. Isn't the ethnicity estimate. Like I say, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.840 it can give us a clue, and that bit about 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.840 the Germanic Europe is interesting, but it's not going to 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.840 tell us who your biological father is. The key are 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:02.960 the DNA matches. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.800 His DNA is not on file, then he's not submitted. 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.520 No, you don't have a parent match, which is, as 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.919 I say, not at all unusual. The vast majority of 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.560 people looking for a birth parent when they take a 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.080 DNA test will not find that birth parent has already tested. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.080 If you will, and they're very lucky. If they do 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.040 it easier, it does make it easier, but most don't. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:32.320 So Obviously, your top match is your maternal uncle, and 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.600 you're sharing a lot of DNA with him, nearly seventeen 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.480 hundred centi morgans as we call it. And that's a 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:43.159 really significant amount of DNA, exactly the right amount to 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.439 be sharing with a full uncle. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.800 But it turns out that James isn't Becky's only high 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:49.520 level match. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.680 However, with that amount of DNA, there are a number 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.679 of different relationships that you could have with someone, and 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.080 your second highest match is sharing We are fifteen hundred 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:02.119 cent of Morgans with you. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.680 So, so what is that? That another and her uncle? 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.800 So this is a female match. This person is either 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.919 a grandmother, a full aunt, or a half sibling. She 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.160 is one of those three relationships. Now at this point 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.280 we don't know which. But she's what I call a 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:28.080 jackpop match, and she does not match your maternal uncle. Therefore, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.320 given the size of the match, and given how closely 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:35.040 related he is to you, she is most definitely a 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:41.199 paternal match. Either a paternal grandmother, a paternal aunt, or 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.880 a paternal half sibling, half sister. She's one of those. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.960 It is. It's very exciting. There are caveats though. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.000 Even though there is a high level match, there are 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.680 obstacles in the way. Not all users on DNA databases, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.600 even those that appear to be relatives as matches, are 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.359 easy to track down, nor do they always want to be. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.240 She has no tree, and she has a user name 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.000 that is quite privatized. And I have tried everything I 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.520 could think of to see if this concoction of letters 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.439 and numbers has been used by somebody somewhere that I 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.080 could identify who this person is, and it hasn't. They've 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.399 been very smart and maintaining their privacy on the site 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.000 with the name that they've used. The one thing that 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.320 I can tell from it is that she is not 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:36.440 a grandmother. She's not your paternal grandmother, simply because I'm 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.080 able to look at all of the matches that she 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.320 has and she's clearly matching to, you know, both sides 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.199 of your paternal ancestry, and not just one. So that 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.520 suggests to me that we can narrow her down to 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:53.119 being either your paternal aunt or half sister. So she's 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.040 one of those two relationships with you. 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.800 Michall also cautions against the natural tendency that many of 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.159 us would have in the situation. 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.399 A lot of people when they see such a jackpot match, 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.360 the very first thing they're going to want to do 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.320 is fire off a message to that person. It's human nature, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.879 and it's normal to want to do that, and in 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.720 many cases it's the right thing to do, and then 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.600 some it's not. At this point in time, we don't 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.320 know if she's a paternal aunt, we don't know if 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.240 she's a paternal half sister, and contact is the most 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.119 delicate thing that we're going to be doing with this situation. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:31.200 It could be that she is your birth father's daughter. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.360 It could be she's his sister, but either way, we're 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.720 not going straight to the source. If we message her 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.879 and we give her this information and then she goes 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.720 to him, whether he's her brother or he's her father, 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.359 and says, dad or brother, what's this? Who's this person? 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:50.040 What do you know? 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.600 And maybe nothing, and maybe he knows something, and maybe 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.080 that puts him in a very difficult situation, and that 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.920 makes him less likely to want to have contact because 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.679 we've gone through his family and not given him the 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.880 opportunity to tell them himself, if you know what I mean. 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.320 There have been some speculation that Becky's father may not 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.960 know his identity, but there are a number of things 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.320 that indicate that he very likely does, in fact know 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:23.360 that Becky exists. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.360 So I think that it's best to hang back from 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.040 making that contact with her at this point in time 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.840 until I've at least until I've done a full evaluation. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.640 I might be able to identify her through her more 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.840 distant relatives. I might be able to identify who her 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.960 father or her brother is. And if that's possible, then 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.480 you always want to go straight to the birth person, 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.160 the birth parents, if at all possible, because that gives 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:51.280 them the opportunity then to tell their family if they 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.200 want to do that. Of course, it might be that 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.320 we'd no, we get to that point and we get 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.600 no reply, and then we can always go back and 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.720 try contacting her at that point. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.560