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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom never told

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Speaker 1: you from house Stop works dot com. Hey, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. This is Molly and I'm Kristen Kristin.

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Speaker 1: Here's a question for you. All right, how about you

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Speaker 1: tell us all the top three traits you look for animate? Okay, um,

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Speaker 1: I guess they're pretty typical. Uh. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Molly did not prep me for this question, so that's

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Speaker 1: the question it might be taking. This is just off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head. I gotta say. Physically, I

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Speaker 1: like a strong jawline, okay, I do. And a sense

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Speaker 1: of humor. It's good. Okay, someone to make me laugh, gotcha,

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Speaker 1: So so I'll stop crying. And Third, oh god, I

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Speaker 1: don't know tall. I'm a pretty tall person, and I

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Speaker 1: would like for my mate to be taller than I

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Speaker 1: am when I am wearing heels once a year. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty reasonable list. Yeah, it sounds pretty superficial. But

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Speaker 1: that's off the top of my head. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what I look for? What, Molly, someone who's free of parasites.

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Speaker 1: That's wise of you, I think, so. Yeah, because you know,

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Speaker 1: when you go in for the first kiss, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to parasite to jump on. I know, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to ruin the moment exactly. The reason I have

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Speaker 1: parasites on my mind is there's this new show on

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Speaker 1: and all Planet Monsters inside me. It's all about parasites.

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Speaker 1: It's about how they get in us, get on us.

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Speaker 1: And it just got me thinking that I will love

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Speaker 1: a parasite free lifestyle and I want my mate to

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Speaker 1: do the same as well. But did you know that

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Speaker 1: parasites maybe the reason why we don't have body hair? Well, yes, Molly,

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Speaker 1: I do. It's one of the newest theories I believe

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Speaker 1: in this whole question of why humans are so hairless.

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Speaker 1: We might not think of ourselves as being hairless when

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Speaker 1: we have to shave our legs and shave our beards

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Speaker 1: and etcetera, etcetera. But compared to other mammals, we are

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Speaker 1: quite bare. Yes, very few mammals have his little hairs

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Speaker 1: us and the ones that do are mainly aquatic creatures

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Speaker 1: both of those reasons water and temperature relate to sort

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Speaker 1: of the predominant theories as to why we're hairless, because

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Speaker 1: basically before this parasite theory came along, there were two

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Speaker 1: other schools of thigh as to why humans don't have hair.

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Speaker 1: One was that and this is my favorite phrase of

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Speaker 1: time water dwelling apes, like early humans might have been

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Speaker 1: sort of semi aquatic, and so when we were semi

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Speaker 1: aquatic water dwelling apes, we lost the body hair. It

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Speaker 1: would need to need the fur to insulate us because

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Speaker 1: we were in the water could cool off. Is that

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Speaker 1: is that? What? Well, it's just just bad for swimming. Ah,

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Speaker 1: it holds you back. It's like when swimmers shaved their

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Speaker 1: legs and in exchange for getting rid of the fur,

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Speaker 1: if we were what was your favorite phrase water dwelling,

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Speaker 1: water dwellings. So, Kristen, you water dwelling apes. That's how

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Speaker 1: I believe you're referring to a doctor Mark Pagel and

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Speaker 1: his colleague Walter Bottomer, thank you. They published a paper

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