1 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back in another edition of 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast. It is Thursday morning or afternoon, 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: June twenty fourth, Fear of Our Lord twenty twenty one. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate. It's college football. Wall to wall. Didn't 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: have an extra pod on Tuesday because I was out 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: of town. My apologies four reasons that I'll get into 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: more a little bit later on tonight's show. I know 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: it's imperative that we release a podcast every single time 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: we're supposed to release one. If you claim to not 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: be about an off season, then you can't be skipping 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: shows just because it's the off season, and I get it, 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: so my apologies to you. Were making up for it 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: today though. We got a loaded mailbag if you want 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: to submit a question joshpat seven zero six at gmail 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: dot com, if you want to hit me up in 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the DMS on Twitter, Instagram, at Late Kickjosh strongly encourage 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: and outright plead for you to subscribe to both of 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: those platforms, with a third quickly appearing on the horizon. 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: So here's what's up right now. There is a lot 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: going on at twenty four seven Sports. I'm going to 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: be able to tell you about it soon. I'm sitting 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: in our studio right now. Well, I'm sitting in the office. 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: The studio is off to my immediate right, and some 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: folks from ViacomCBS have to come in here anytime now. 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: They're supposed to be here right now, hoping I can 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: get this out of the way before they come in 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: otherwise if you hear some clanging and banging in the background. 28 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: I started all alone, but I may not finish the 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: podcast all alone. I just want all the credit with 30 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: none of the blame. That's all I've ever wanted in life. 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: So with that out of the way, let's dive in 32 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: because I think we got some really good questions here 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: this morning. Matthew starts us off. He says, could you 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the dysfunction you've hinted 35 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: at around Alabama's program in twenty seventeen and why it 36 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: may have been Nick Saban's greatest achievement to overcome this. Matthew, 37 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: I think the dysfunction really kicked up in twenty eighteen, 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: more so than seventeen, but it was there. I think 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: that National Championship game was one of his best coaching jobs. 40 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: But We've talked about that a lot. If you think 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: about just the game itself and think about all the 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: things that seem to have gone wrong for Bama in 43 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: that game, and then you kind of zoom it out 44 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: and you realize, oh wait, they still won this game. 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Pretty crazy. I mean, there's no way Alabama should have 46 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: won that game. That is Georgia's for the taking. As 47 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I've told you before, I was in the press box 48 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: for the first half of the game, and I remember 49 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: starting to prepare our stuff. I had to do live 50 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: coverage for our TV station, actually on top of my 51 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: Late Kick stuff that I was doing there because I 52 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: was independent at the time with late Kick, I was 53 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: employed by WLTZ, and so myself and our coverage team, 54 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Brook Kirschoffer, who now works down in Baton Rouge. You 55 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: guys check her out down there. We were in the 56 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: press box getting our stuff ready and preparing our coverage 57 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: in different angles we wanted to hit. As Georgia has 58 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: won a national championship. It already appeared that way. At halftime, 59 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: you guys, remember how that game went. Bama heads into 60 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the locker room there shut out. Okay, then you have 61 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: the big quarterback move that alone is worth a documentary. 62 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: That move alone is worth a documentary. Now you think 63 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: about that within the context of what I told you 64 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: about last week, when I had been at the Iron 65 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Bowl up the Alabama tunnel outside their locker room just 66 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: a month before that, And remember I told you a 67 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of those wide receivers just went off. I mean 68 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: they went crazy. They could barely be controlled after that 69 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: game because they were so irate that Tua had not 70 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: been given a shot to play in that game that 71 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: they lost twenty six to fourteen. And then you think 72 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: about how that leads to Nick Saban making the decision 73 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: at halftime in the national title game, they had Makai 74 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Brown go crazy getting a fight on their sideline right 75 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: there on National TV. They had a guy collapse on 76 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: the sideline. Kreik McDonald I think was the player that 77 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: just collapsed on the sideline. They didn't know if he 78 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: was okay or not over there. He had to be 79 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: taken away. I believe he was okay afterwards, but they 80 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't know at the time. Then you have what at 81 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: the time was just the usual disastrous Alabama kicking situation. 82 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: And so all that is compounded by the fact that 83 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: you're bringing in a true freshman to get his first 84 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: meaningful snaps on the biggest stage the sport has to offer. 85 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: And they miss a kick as I said, to end 86 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: the game. So then they go to overtime, and then 87 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: they got a second and twenty six in overtime and 88 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: they still win the game. That's got to be for 89 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Georgia fans like trying to cut the head off a 90 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: snake that will not sit still. That is trying to 91 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: nail jello to the wall. You just can't do it. 92 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: It looks like you've got it and you can't do it. 93 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: So that had to be mind numbingly frustrating to watch. 94 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: And I live in Georgia. I talk to george fans 95 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: all the time, so I know what it was like 96 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: for those folks. But think about the coaching job Nick 97 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Saban did there. I mean, that's a game they're not 98 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: supposed to win. They're not supposed to win that thing, 99 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: and they won it anyway. So I think I think 100 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: it really ramped up Matthew from a dysfunction perspective. Next year, 101 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: they had a lot of coaches that were just totally 102 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: tuned out the next year, and it was evident really 103 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: early on and certainly midway through the year. I mean, 104 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: I think it's a miracle they got to the National 105 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: title game. The next year, everyone remembers they got blown 106 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: out by Clemson. I think it's a big deal they 107 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: even got there. Moving on, Jackson does something we got 108 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: a couple of you that did it in this mail 109 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: bag that I want to encourage all of you to 110 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: remember to do. I am fascinated by how you listen 111 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: to the show. I'm fascinated at where you listen to 112 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: the show and we get all kinds of and you 113 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: know how rarely I use this word very eclectic responses 114 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: when I suggest that you tell me where you're listening. 115 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: So Jackson leads us off and he says, I listened 116 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: to the show mostly during welding school to keep my 117 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: mind entertained during what is otherwise very tedious work. I 118 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: appreciate that, Jackson. Orry Now he continues, My question is, 119 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: as I am an Alabama fan, I'm very excited to 120 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: see Nick Saban got an extension. You haven't mentioned it much. 121 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: Maybe there isn't much to say. What do you think 122 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: of it? Yeah, Jackson, I really haven't covered it because 123 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot to say. I think 124 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: it was a formality. I don't think that that extension 125 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: changed anything about Nick Saban. I don't think it changed 126 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: anything about Alabama's perspective on him. I laugh sometimes when 127 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: people throw around the word retirement with him. Yes, he 128 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: is in his seventies now, either he will be or 129 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: already his seventy this year. But the point is he's 130 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: not winding down. If anything, his program is as good 131 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: as it's ever been. So I don't see the end 132 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: anywhere in his near future unless he has somewhere in 133 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: his mind that he has mapped his own career out, 134 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: even independent of health, that he's just mapped his own 135 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: career out, and he and his wife and maybe his 136 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: agent Jimmy Sexton, and none of the rest of us know. 137 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: But he's just got this pinpoint on the map of life, 138 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: and I'm going to go to this year and we're 139 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: not going to tell anyone, and it'll just be a 140 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: big announcement. Independent of that, I don't see anything on 141 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: the horizon indicates he's slowing down. Matthew Part two, Second 142 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: Matthew in three questions. Here he says which surprise team 143 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: or overachieving team from last year has the best chance 144 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: to repeat or even build on the success this season, 145 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: and which of those programs are best suited to maintain 146 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: that success over the next few years. I think Indiana 147 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: and Liberty. Out of all the teams that kind of 148 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: surprise folks last year, I'd go Indiana and Liberty. It 149 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: starts at the quarterback position. Obviously, Michael Pennix, we hope 150 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: will be healthy for Indiana, and by the way, if 151 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: he is, they're going to be a really tough out. 152 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: We've gotten used to in the recent recent history of 153 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: college football thinking about Indiana a little bit differently, maybe 154 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: putting a little more respect on their name. But that's 155 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: a team this year. I circled the Indiana game as 156 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Ohio State's biggest swing game this year. You could easily 157 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: make Indiana penn State's biggest swing game. I mean, they 158 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: are either going to shock everyone and make the Big 159 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: Ten Title Game, or at the very least they're going 160 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: to ruin one or two other teams possibilities of making 161 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: it to the Big Ten Title game. So I'd say 162 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Indiana because they've also really wisely filled out their staff. 163 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: That coaching staff's one of the more underrated coaching staffs 164 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: in the country. Not just Tom Allen, but the hires 165 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: he's made below him. They're not guys that you know. 166 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: They're not guys that have their name in bright lights 167 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: on the marquee. But people in the coaching world, people 168 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: in the football world, they know. And you can look 169 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: at their recruiting strategy and look up and down their 170 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: roster at how much of that roster is littered with 171 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: talent from the state of Florida and from down here 172 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: in the South. It's not kids that they went head 173 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: to head with Miami and beat, but it's the kids 174 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: maybe that didn't have spots on that roster. Indiana, Now 175 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: that I think a little bit further about it, Indiana 176 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: is a perfect example of what I think is not 177 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: going to be possible much longer. Indiana has come to 178 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: the South and they've done this enough. They're not the 179 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 1: only program, but they've done the following thing. I'm about 180 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: to say enough. They've come down here and they've said, 181 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: we're not gonna worry about trying to beat LSU or 182 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: Alabama for these five stars South Florida kids. We're just 183 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: going to count on the fact that that state is 184 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: so talent rich. It produces too much kids, too many 185 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: kids for all those major programs to take. We think 186 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: we can promise them enough in terms of development and 187 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: opportunity at Indiana that we can get them up here, 188 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: and once we get a three star Florida kid up here, 189 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: we can develop them to giving us a four star 190 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: level performance over the next three or four years. They 191 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: won't pop as a true freshman, but they'll be able 192 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: to do it enough. Those kids once the playoff format changes, 193 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: and once the money has enhanced the AAC schools and 194 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: maybe even some of the Sun Belt schools and Conference 195 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: USA schools to the point where they're on closer to 196 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: equal footing and they can invest better in their programs, 197 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: those kids are not going to leave anymore. Your next 198 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: opportunity if you can't get a spot at Georgia, Bama, Florida, 199 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Florida State, or Miami is going to be South Florida 200 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: is going to be Central Florida is going to be 201 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: I know this is hard to envision right now, but 202 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: way way down the road, something like a South Alabama 203 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: being an option for a mobile kid who maybe right 204 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: now would go to Michigan State. Just pulling the name 205 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: out of thin air, Pitt, let's say, or Oklahoma State. Well, 206 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, those kids aren't coming through that 207 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: pipeline nearly as often as you used to see. So 208 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: let me circle back to the question. I think Indiana 209 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: has a chance to maintain that pop ability. That's a 210 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: new word that we just invented right now. I also 211 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: think Liberty can cause them. Malik willis there now, They're 212 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: on everyone's radar, but I don't think it matters. I 213 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: think they're a very good team. They got a very 214 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: good coach. They're independent of what you think about Hugh 215 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Freese in his personal life. I don't care, and so 216 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing on the football field. So 217 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: give me Indiana and Liberty as the teams that can 218 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: have what you would call staying power this year. Up 219 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: next is Sean. By the way, before we enter this question, 220 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: I grew up with a kid named Sean, and it 221 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: was se a n But then I had a bunch 222 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: of other buddies at school named Sean, and every single 223 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: one of them was SHAWM. If I ran a poll, 224 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: because I have no idea what the answer to this is. 225 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: If I ran a national poll, what is the more 226 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: popular spelling of Sewan because I think it may be 227 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: se a N and I think I may have just 228 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: been around a bunch of sh Shawn's. Shawn Michaels spelled 229 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: his first name with an sh and that wasn't even 230 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: his birth name. So he had a choice, and he 231 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: chose sh I don't know what that's worth, but hey, 232 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: that happened. That's real life, and that's a former world champion. 233 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about there, all right. Anyway, So Shawn asked 234 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: questions what we're really here for. He said, my question 235 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: is why do you think offensive coaches like Lincoln Riley 236 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: get praised for being great play callers and game day coaches, 237 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: but defensive coaches such as Kirby Smart do not get 238 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: that same treatment. This, Sean, is a wonderful, wonderful question, 239 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: and let me delve into it a little bit. We 240 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: if you are of any age right now, are products 241 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: of what is called the highlight era, the sports center era. 242 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: So highlight culture is very, very persuasive in how you 243 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: think about sports, So football, for example, if you're in 244 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: your twenties, thirties, for just any age, you have grown 245 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: up in the sports center era where your idea of 246 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: a game happens in your mind in the form of 247 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: boom boom boom highlights. When you think of let's say, 248 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: Penn State versus Michigan twenty fifteen. Even if you can 249 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: remember the game right off the top of your head, 250 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: you remember highlights of the game you don't start with 251 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: and welcome to the big house. We're here today for 252 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: four and two Michigan taking on three and three pay. 253 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: It's not like a replay of the podcast feed starts 254 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: in your mind and you just sit there for three 255 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: hours in some kind of weird trance and you replay 256 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: the whole game. That's not the way your mind works. 257 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: It works in highlights. Well, how many of you think 258 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: in terms of defensive highlights, And how many of you, 259 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: when you've watched Sports Center over the years, watch defensive 260 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: highlight packages. You don't. You see offensive highlights. That's what 261 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: you see, and as a result, you see when defenses 262 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: screw up. You have no idea when a great defensive 263 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: play call has been made other than if it results 264 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: in a sack or it results in maybe an outside 265 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: linebacker clogging a passing lane and he picks something off, 266 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and you know the telestrater on the replay as a 267 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: circle around a guy and look at this guy in 268 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: perfect position based on this formation. That's great film study, 269 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: a great defensive call by Kirby Smart. Unless that happens, 270 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: you only see when defense screws up. But with offense, 271 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: if Lincoln Riley makes a call and his pocket collapses 272 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: and he should have had a six man protection in 273 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: there and he went five wide instead and an edge 274 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: rusher just totally collapses quarterback before he ever had time 275 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: to complete his drop and get a pass off, well 276 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: they just move on to second down, a second and thirteen. 277 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: You're never going to see the play unless you were 278 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: watching the game. And even if you were watching the game, 279 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: you're not gonna remember that. If on the next play 280 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: they complete one over the middle for thirty yard game 281 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: first down, move the chains, All's well, that ends well well. 282 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: With Kirby Smart and with other defensive coaches, you tend 283 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: to remember the screw ups. With offensive coaches, you only 284 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: remember the highlights. That's just the generation we've been raised in, 285 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe that's just the way sports work in general. 286 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't even matter what your age is. But 287 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious if anyone else has another take 288 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: on that. I'm kind of curious what you feel there. 289 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: I think I've pretty well nailed why I would feel 290 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: that way. Now. I'm not over here hating on defensive coaches, 291 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: but I do see what you're talking about being very popular. 292 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: It absolutely is. You never talk about the bad play 293 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: calling games that offensive coaches had, or if you do, 294 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: it's very rare and it's not in the mainstream conversation. 295 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: It's always in the mainstream conversation when defensive coordinators and 296 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: defensive coaches blew it on any given Saturday. Brailin up next, 297 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: do you foresee a case of another twenty ten Auburn 298 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: or maybe it's twenty sixteen clumbs and happening in the 299 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: next few years. I ask, because elite quarterback play is 300 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: now ubiquitous at the top. I'm unsure if a Cam 301 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Newton or a Deshaun Watson type of playmaker can push 302 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: a less talented team to a title right now, since 303 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: the Alabamas of the world also have play making quarterbacks, 304 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: I think the ending there, Brayln is key. This was 305 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: happening that twenty ten Cam Newton Auburn team that happened 306 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: inside an sec where Alabama was still trying to play 307 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: with Greg McElroy at quarterback and they had aj Mccaern 308 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: coming after that, and so it's not that it was 309 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: easy for them to do, but it was a lot 310 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: more possible for them to do. Whereas now, man, all 311 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: these teams at the top, Ohio State, clumbs in Alabama, Oklahoma, 312 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: what year are we going to enter a season where 313 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: they don't have a dynamic thread at quarterback and the 314 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: foreseeable future, as long as those programs are at the 315 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: stature they are, I don't know that it's going to happen. Man. 316 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: One of the CBS executives is calling me, right now, 317 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: Do I take hold on a second? Do I take 318 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: the call? Let's just see how this goes? All right, 319 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: I'm back. So here's how it went. A lot of 320 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: privileged information was shared on the which was probably best 321 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: to not have via speaker phone on the podcast. So 322 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: I think I made a Wives move there. And even 323 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: if I hadn't made the Wives move, I'm about ninety 324 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: five percent sure in post production they would have taken 325 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: it out because it never would have made it past legal. However, 326 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: since we're not live I sat back, took a deep breath. 327 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: It was all good news we got, I just can't 328 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: share it with you yet. And I took a few 329 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: bites of the old salad over here, and now I 330 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: think we're regrouped and we're ready to go. But what 331 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: I need to do first is I need to remember 332 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: where I was. So we were talking about twenty ten 333 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Auburn twenties. Ah, yes, okay, I could easily stop right 334 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: now and edit that out, but we're not going to. 335 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: So Braylin, I think it's a good question, and I 336 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: think you're right. I do not know that a team 337 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: could pop like that now. I do not necessarily equate 338 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: twenty ten Auburn to twenty sixteen Clemson apples to apples. 339 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: But Elliott pointed something out to me the other day. 340 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I think they may have even talked about it over 341 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: on the Cover three podcast that I did not realize 342 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: no member of that Auburn offense ever played a down 343 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL other than Cam Newton. He dragged an 344 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: otherwise lifeless limp body of an Auburn offense over the 345 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: finish line and won a national championship. And down south 346 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: they get really heated in some of these debates about 347 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: how good was Cam Newton as a Heisman Trophy winner 348 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: in comparison to other Heisman Trophy winners. I mean, he's 349 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: right at the top. He's right near the top for 350 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: me because of that, because I think about this Cam Newton, 351 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: if I would have taken him and put him in 352 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: some high octane offense, if I would have surrounded him 353 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: with future first round I mean, let me just stop 354 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: that sentence and ask you this, what do you think 355 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: Cam Newton would have looked like alongside Henry Ruggs and 356 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith and Jayalen Waddle and Jerry Judy. How do 357 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: you think he would have done? Basically, imagine the offense 358 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Toua was in or Mac Jones was in, But then 359 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: imagine they themselves are six six, two hundred and forty 360 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: five pound freight trains. How do you think Cam Newton 361 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: would have done? Think you would have done? Okay, yeah, 362 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: I do too. Oh, by the way, have an entire 363 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: offensive line full of first round or second round, third 364 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: round NFL guys in front of him too, and load 365 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: up the backfield with guys like Naja Harris, whoof compare 366 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: that to what he was playing with so anyway, No, 367 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible because no or yes, Braylan, 368 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: to your point, I think other programs are too good 369 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: at quarterback. What's the year, Like, where's the year where 370 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna be a to thread the needle with only 371 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback and nothing else. You can get through a 372 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: conference or a division like that, and maybe even you 373 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: can make the playoff, but once you get in the playoff, 374 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: it's like recruiting. It's like you can develop your way 375 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: to nine or ten wins. This is the problem Iowa 376 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: State has right now. There's probably a lower ceiling on 377 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: them because even if they get through the Big Twelve, 378 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: even if they were to beat Oklahoma, you're only going 379 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: as far as you can go with development being the 380 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: key and name of your game. But eventually you're gonna 381 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: come up on other programs that develop really well too. 382 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: It just so happens they're developing five star players. Like 383 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: Alabama is great at development too, but they have the 384 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: horses from the get go to develop, whereas you're hoping 385 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: to develop over three or four years and squeeze every 386 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: ounce of potential out of every guy. Their starting point 387 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: is five miles ahead of you, and it's the same 388 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: with this. You can only go so far with just 389 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback. You better have some other pieces around him. 390 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: And that's why I think that twenty sixteen Clemson team, 391 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: while certainly they weren't as fully powerful as they were 392 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: about to become, they had better pieces around Deshaan Watson 393 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: than Auburn did around Cam Newton. I guess not even 394 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: really all that close. Got another good question here and 395 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: another testimonial as to where you're listening to the show. 396 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and ask the question, who do 397 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: you think deserves to win a title? It hadn't won 398 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: one yet, Who do you think deserves it? I'm gonna 399 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: give you my answer right after this. So Dakota hits 400 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: us up. He says, I'm a truck driver. I listened 401 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: to every episode while I'm out on the road. My 402 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: question is which program deserves to win a national title? 403 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: Not based on talent, just more so about me or 404 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: you saying it's about time they won it all? Well, 405 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: I think the answer is Georgia by one hundred miles here, 406 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: but I'm going to go beyond Georgia cause it's so 407 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: common sense that that's the answer. What about Texas A 408 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: and M. I put this out on Twitter actually in 409 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: the form of a poll earlier today. It was a 410 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: little bit different context. I said, if I were to 411 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: come back from the future, if I just popped in 412 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: your room, and I had said, I've been in twenty 413 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: twenty five. Over the last week, I saw some interesting things. 414 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: And among the interesting things I saw is out of 415 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: Texas A and M and Georgia, one of those programs 416 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: will win a title by twenty twenty five. Who will 417 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: it be or whops will it be? And the poll 418 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: results are surprisingly close right now as to who you 419 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: think that would be. So Georgia and Texas A and 420 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: M are good answers. I think Virginia Tech deserves a 421 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: national championship. I don't think they're at the forefront of 422 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: the conversation of the nation's elite programs or anything like that. 423 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: But I think it's a great fan base, There's great 424 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: tradition up there, phenomenal game day environment. I'd really love 425 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: to see a program like Virginia Tech win a national championship. 426 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: I'd love to see Arizona State or Arizona I'd love 427 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: to see one of the schools in Arizona win a 428 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: national championship Oregon. Can you imagine what Oregon would be like. 429 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: They've been right at the doorstep twice. They've been there 430 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: in what two thousand and eleven again will twenty ten. 431 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: We just talked about that game. It was early twenty 432 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: eleven when the game happened against Auburn, and then they 433 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: were there again in the first ever college football Playoff 434 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: national title game against Ohio State, the only national title 435 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: game I ever had to turn down credentials for. I 436 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: got approved and had to turn it down because the 437 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: old sales department couldn't sell coverage for it. They tried 438 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: to pull that again the next year. I just went 439 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: on my own dime. So Dakota, I'm going to go 440 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: with a few schools there and choose I could keep going, 441 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: I could keep on going. Wisconsin. Love to see Wisconsin 442 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: win a title. I think those are phenomenal fan bases, 443 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: every one of them. I just mentioned phenomenal fan bases. 444 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: Now we're going to take a deep breath because our 445 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: Goodboddy Irish Politico has a question that I can promise 446 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of you are going to be emotionally 447 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: invested in Irish Politico asks, well, first he makes a statement. 448 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: Irish Politico says, I get that blown calls are part 449 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: of the game. Here comes the question, but why are 450 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: college refs not made available for press conferences after games 451 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: to explain their calls? I think it would be great 452 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: for them and for fan bases who are left to 453 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: think that their teams got screwed because of some agenda 454 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: that referees have with conferences with TV networks. And right 455 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: now I am shamelessly adding on to Irish Politico's question 456 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: because he feels this way. I know he does, so 457 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't mind me paraphrasing him. This is a great question, brother, 458 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: It's a great question for every one of you out 459 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: there nodding your heads right now. One of you is 460 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: on your lawnmower down in Louisiana, thankful that the rain's 461 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: finally gone for about two seconds and you can mow 462 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: your yard. But you're nodding your head. Yes, you're thinking 463 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: about an LSU game the year twenty eighteen or whenever 464 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: it would be, and you're saying, I wish I could 465 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: get an explanation about why this call was made. And 466 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: my answer to you is, well, my rational answer is 467 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: there is no rationale behind it. There is no logic 468 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: behind it. Now there is a reason behind it, and 469 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: it's not gonna come as a big surprise to you 470 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: that it is to protect officials. And I got a 471 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: big problem with it. So here's the retort. If I 472 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: were to have a Conference official right now, head of 473 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: officiating for the SEC or the Big Ten or wherever, 474 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: if I were to have them on right now, they 475 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: would tell you, well, listen, we're not going to subject 476 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: these men and women are esteemed officials to just a 477 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: cascade of criticism after these games. After all, here it comes, 478 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: you get ready for it. After all, they're not even 479 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: full time, salaried employees of the Conference. And that's the catch. 480 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: That's sort of the mechanism, that's the dump button they 481 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: build in for themselves. These people are not official employees. 482 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: These people are not folks who hold down a desk 483 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: job in Birmingham or Indianapolis five days a week and 484 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: then they go to their game on Saturday. No, they 485 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: have normal jobs and they just happen to officiate games 486 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: on Saturdays. They would lead you to believe we're making 487 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: all these hundreds and millions of dollars, but basically we're 488 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: a glorified high school association when it comes to the 489 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: way we handle officials. Now, the sure answer here is 490 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: they could afford to have full time officials, just like 491 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: the NFL does. They could afford that. They don't want 492 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: to have it because they don't want to have to 493 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: make them available, because they don't want to basically fan 494 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: the flames of what you already hear every Monday morning 495 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: on every talk show or message board all around the country. 496 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I am a huge proponent of making officials available at 497 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: least have them be able to respond to prepared questions. 498 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: You don't have to expose them to a throng of 499 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: angry media or anything like that, but have media at 500 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: the very least available to assemble pool questions where officials 501 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: respond and instead of this garbage that you get from 502 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: the league office forty eight hours later wherein you say Arkansas, 503 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: it turns out did get screwed in a call that 504 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: ultimately cost them the game, but we're not really going 505 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: to do anything about it. So I hope our apology 506 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: is good enough for those of you who have all 507 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: kinds of escalators in your contracts because of certain numbers 508 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: of wins you get. Oh, by the way, your Bowl 509 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: trip is going to be contingent on how many wins 510 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: you have. Pride is contingent on how many wins you have. 511 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: We're going to forego all that because hold on, Tim 512 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Watts is calling me from BAMA Online. Let's answer this update. Yeah, so, 513 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: so Tim Watts is even worse at giving arable content 514 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: than the CBS executives are. So I can't play you 515 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: what he said either for his own good. So let's 516 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: just pretend like that never happened. Let's roll right on here. 517 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: Irish Politico's question mainly to remind myself more so than you, 518 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: this has been a very scatterbrain podcast, but that's just 519 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: how we are around here. He's asking why in the 520 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: world don't we make these officials available. I support making 521 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: them available. I think it is laughable. I think it's 522 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: like it's like building a space shuttle that's able to 523 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: go all the way to the moon, but then putting 524 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: off brand toilet paper in it or something. We have 525 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: huge mechanisms here. They're called conferences, and they make so 526 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: much money and they're so high profile. And think about 527 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: how big the steaks are gambling related competition related on 528 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: these games, and we're letting them be decided by people 529 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: who aren't even really focused on this every day of 530 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: the week. And also they don't have to give an 531 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: account of their decision making. What are we really worried 532 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: about here? Are we worried about an uncomfortable position for 533 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: an official? Let me tell you something. By the time 534 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: you were an official on that stage, do you know 535 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: how many uncomfortable positions you've been in in peewee football 536 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: games and high school football games. If you ever want 537 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: to have some fun, find an official and just ask 538 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: them to give you stories and then shut up, grab 539 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: yourself something to drink, prop your feet up, and just 540 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: sit back. Officials have the best stories. But what you'll 541 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: learn through those stories these people are more battle hardened 542 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: than a Roman soldier. They've been through everything. They can 543 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: handle it. They're big boys and girls. They can handle 544 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: someone yelling at them from the fourteenth row after they 545 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: blow a call, or maybe they didn't blow it and 546 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: someone just thinks they blew a call. You want to 547 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, though, how about watching the ending of that 548 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: Auburn Arkansas game last year and knowing that even in 549 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: year one with Sam Pittman. You won a game and 550 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: they took it from you. That's uncomfortable. And by the way, 551 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: it's there the next morning when you wake up and 552 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: you got to go to church and you got to 553 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: put on a brave face in front of all the parishioners, 554 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: and you still feel terrible. And then Monday it's still 555 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: with you, and Tuesday it's still with you. I know, 556 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, there are bigger things 557 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: in life going on, but we care about this sport 558 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: a lot. Absolutely we do. So if someone makes such 559 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: an egregious decision in a game that it cost you 560 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: an opportunity to win a game, or an outright just 561 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: cost you a game, which doesn't often happen, but it 562 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: did in that case. Yes, yes, you deserve an answer. 563 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: At the very least, you deserve an answer. And I'm 564 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: not talking about one that comes via press release forty 565 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: eight hours later that's written by a lawyer. I'm talking 566 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: about from the stripes themselves. They should tell you what 567 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: they saw on why they made the call. How about 568 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: Dylan Here, A buddy and I have been arguing about 569 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: which program is better off Texas or Florida They both 570 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: have had former Urban Myrier assistants. Although Tom Herman is 571 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: now gone at Texas, they recruit well. They both peaked 572 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: recently with New Year's six Bulls, while losing conference title 573 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: games recently too. They were also both excellent in the 574 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: two thousands. Both have had the same amount of wins 575 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: this last year. So which program has the brighter future 576 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: based on where they are right now? This is really 577 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: tough to say because it's well documented now that people 578 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: think I hate Florida have no clue where it came from. 579 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: It would be wonderful for me if Florida won a 580 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: national championship this year, I'd celebrate right along with you guys. 581 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: But because I guess I tell the truth sometimes on 582 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: Dan Mullen, you think I hate you. By the way, 583 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: if you don't like that, I wouldn't tune into tonight's 584 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: show because I'm going to talk about Dan Mullen tonight. 585 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: It's gonna be positive to me. It's positive at least, 586 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: But they're established. You know what you have with Florida. 587 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: And my point there is we don't know what Texas 588 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be. So just because I don't know what 589 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: Texas is gonna be under stark. I'd rather buy into 590 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: what's proven and what's a known commodity than buy into 591 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: what this point is. I'm not gonna say fantasy or illusion, 592 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: but it's not something I can see yet. I can't 593 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: see around the corner with Texas. I can see where 594 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Florida is, and so I'm gonna take Florida. I think 595 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: they're a better positioned. Having said that, this is not 596 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: a slam dunk answer either way. If I were in 597 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: a debate setting, I could probably take both sides of 598 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: this and be very effective. But I'm going to side 599 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: with Florida right now. Are we got a pretty loaded 600 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: late kick live tonight, And I just want to remind 601 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: you when I asked you guys last week, I think 602 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago. To get us over fifteen hundred 603 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: five star reviews, I haven't been able to tell you 604 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: thank you yet in person. You haven't heard my voice 605 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: tell you thank you. Not only do we go over 606 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred, I think we're approaching sixteen hundred now, and 607 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome, because again, a podcast of our age, 608 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: this thing's been around just a little over a year, 609 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: normally isn't anywhere close to that, and we got a 610 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of metrics that we've hit that I didn't think 611 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: we'd hit this quickly, so gives us a lot of 612 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: confidence for what this season could have in store the 613 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: regular season as it were. But thank you for that. 614 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: Always appreciate you guys following me on Instagram at late 615 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: Kick Josh, Twitter at late Kick Josh. Want to continue 616 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: to grow those numbers and subscribe to the twenty four 617 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: to seven Sports YouTube channel while you're at it until 618 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: tonight for producer Lance filling in for an again vacation 619 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: producer word not Josh Fain. Hide yourselves a great rest 620 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 1: of your Thursday. I'll see it tonightn't lay kick live 621 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: until the end. For God bless