1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe for this Monday, the twentieth 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: of March in London. Coming up today credit to UBS, 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Swiss government brokers an historic takeover deal to end a 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: crisis of confidence. Three point two billion dollars troubled Glender 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Credit Sweets is sold to rival for less than half. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: It's Friday closing price plus taking the strain. The fair 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: leads are moved by global central banks to boost dollar funding. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: news you need to start your day in just one 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business App 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, I'm Stephen 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Carroll and I'm Lizzie Burden. Here are the stories we're 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: following today. UBS has agreed to buy Credit Sweeten, an 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: historic three point two billion dollar deal. It's hope the 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: government backed ye up will contain a crisis of confidence 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: that started to spread across for financial markets. Speaking on 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: an analyst call held by UBS chairman Colm kelleher sort 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: to smooth concerns about the takeover, It's a historic day 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: in Switzerland and a day frankly we hoped would not come. 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: I would like to make it clear that while we 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: could not initiate discussions, we believe that this transaction is 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: financially attractive for UBS shareholders, protects UBS from additional downside 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: and should support earning his growth over time. UBS chairman 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: Comb Kelleher spoke to analysts after tying up the all 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: stock deal. The Swiss national banks offering one hundred billion 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: francs of liquidity assistance to UBS, while the government is 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: granting a nine billion frank guarantee for potential losses. Even 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: before the takeover, credit Squeeze was in the process of 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: cutting nine thousand jobs. However, the merger creates significant overlaps 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: that at the end of last year the two lenders 31 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: employed almost one hundred and twenty five thousand people. Alianza's 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: chief economic advisor and Bloomberg opinion columnist Muhammadhlarian says the 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: rushed deal was the only viable option. This was not 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: the best solution, but it dominated the other two, which 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: was either nationalization or trying to wind down the bank. 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: But it's full of contradictions. It's a private sector solution 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: but has a government intervention. You know, it's not clean. 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: But of the available options. This was the best one 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: that they could have had. The Muhammolarian was speaking to 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television as Ubs said it was too soon to 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: know how many jobs would go, but indicated it will 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: be significant. The takeover looks to address client outflows and 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: a massive routing credit sueezes, stock and bonds over the 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: past week. The fourth sale means seventeen point three billion 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: dollars of credit squeezes riskiest bonds are now worthless. The 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: Swiss Financial regulator says the deal triggers a complete write 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: down of the bank's additional Tier one bonds in order 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: to increase core capital. Unlest further move could send the 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: entire two hundred and seventy billion dollar market for bank 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: funding into a tailspin. PJIM Fixed Income Managing Director Gregory 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Peters says the whole market needs reprice. They definitely have 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: to be repriced right. The issue that we've always had 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: that that market is that it's really hard to value. 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: So we thought it was miss priced too much equity 55 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: risk relative to what you're actually getting paid in terms 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: of coupon and yield. So I think first order is 57 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: that those yields have to go higher. Those prices have 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: to go lower as that equity option totally gets restruck, 59 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: and I think that changes the whole dynamics at one. 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: Bonds were introduced after the global financial crisis to serve 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: as shock absorbers when banks start to fail, but those 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: who hold them say it's shareholders that should be taking 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: the biggest hit. The Federal Reserve and five other central 64 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: banks are boosting liquidity in their standing US dollar swap arrangements. 65 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Center banks involved in the dollar swaps will increase the 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: will boost the frequency of seven day maturity operations from 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: weekly to daily. The FED, the Bank of Canada, the 68 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Bank of England, the Bank of Japan, the European Central Bank, 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: and the Swiss Nation Banks that this step will help 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: to shield economies from funding strain. Then he was coming 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: and made heightened tension that began with the collapse of 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: three US lenders about a week ago. The space high 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: upcaps the past fortnight of global banking meltdowns. First in 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: the US, crypto friendly banks, Silver Gates said it would shutter. 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: Then the startup focused Silicon Valley Bank failed after venture 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: capital investors urged founders to pull their money from The 77 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Californian lender, causing the second biggest bank failure in US history. 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Signature Bank was also seized by regulators, and last Thursday, 79 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: the largest US banks, including JP, Morgan, Bank of America, 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: and Wells Fargo, propped up First Back First Republic a 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: thirty billion dollar lifeline. Bain Capital senior adviser Steve Pagliuca says, 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: we're dealing with a different crisis though to two thousand 83 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: and eight. Well, we've had a recognition that the inverted 84 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: yield curve has hampered in the balance sheet on a 85 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: paper basis of some niche banks. And when the first 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: crisis happened in two thousand and eight, and the Holy 87 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: Who was systemic collapse. We don't have a systemic collapse. Now. 88 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: We have a crisis of confidence, and that crisis of 89 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: confidence can ratchet into a bad economy. But Pagliuca added 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: that this wave of contagion has only so far hit risky, 91 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: poorly managed banks. Those are our top stories this morning. 92 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: Just to update you on those opening prints from the 93 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Swiss market that we've gotten. Ubs shares down eight point 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: eight percent this morning, Credit sweet shares down sixty two 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: percent as well. In those trading, of course, after the 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: announcement of that deal, the Eurostos Bank index down by 97 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: three and a half percent now and we're seeing that 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: effect across European banks this morning. The overall stock six 99 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: hundred now just eight minutes into the trading day, down 100 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: by nine tenths of one percent. The Swiss market is 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: one point three percent lower. Valerie title, our market supporter 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: has been watching all of these opening moves very closely, 103 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: and you've also been looking at the credit markets, Valerie 104 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: and the sort of the knock on effect that we've 105 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: seen there. Yeah, I mean, the big question is in 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: trying to solve this credit sweet situation, did they end 107 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: up opening up another can of worms, that being higher 108 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: cost of bank funding due to these bond losses that 109 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: they're imposing on the credit sweee bondholders. It's a scary 110 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: precedent to walk into. You know, wiping out bondholders while 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: still paying a substantial amount of shareholders goes against a 112 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: lot of hierarchy of claims when it comes to a 113 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: situation like this. But you know, some are saying that 114 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: this is not a bankruptcy proceeding, so the seniority of 115 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: bondholders other over shareholders isn't implied, but look, the equity 116 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: markets have just opened. The fall in European bank stocks 117 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: is reflecting the sentiment around what they've done around these 118 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: bond losses. It's going to be reflective of a higher 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: cost of funding for banks going forward and potentially a 120 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: major freeze of the current at one market as you know, 121 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: issuance and investors back away from these instruments and just 122 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: thinking about what it means for the FED and the 123 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Bank of England this week, We've already had the ECB's 124 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: Vial Roy speaking in an interview this morning defending that 125 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: fifty basis point hikes, saying that it showed confidence in 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: European banks that they need to pay attention to underlying inflation. 127 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Will the FED in the Bank of England play the 128 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: same move. It's gonna be a very close one. I mean, 129 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: we have never in the last fifteen years been three 130 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: days away from a FED decision and the market pricing 131 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: fifty fifty in between a hiker pause. It's now been 132 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: two Sundays in a row that the Fed has had 133 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: to announce some extraordinary measures late on a Sunday evening, 134 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: that being the most recent announcement of the seven day 135 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: swap lines. But the Fed's calculus is all going to 136 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: come down to how does the regional banking crisis in 137 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the US cause a tightening of financial conditions. Goldman wrote 138 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: a really good note last week that said eighty percent 139 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: of the commercial real estate lending is done by small 140 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: banks in the US, by banks with less than two 141 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars of assets. So, you know, 142 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: what does the FED think about the inflationary or i 143 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: should say, the deflationary impulse that will come from regional 144 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: banks seeing deposit flight. I'm sure they were very busy 145 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: this weekend on the phone with regional banks trying to 146 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: understand the picture of what they're struggling with, not only 147 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: the deposit flow to the larger institutions that they're dealing with, 148 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: but also deposit flow into money markets. And let's be honest, 149 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: the FED hiking another twenty five is only going to 150 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: make that deposit flight into money markets worse. Yeah, I mean, 151 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting to note, of course, the development is happenings 152 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: away from the credit suite story as well, as you 153 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: mentioned their valerie. Just to bring our listeners up to 154 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: date as well, shares and commerce Bank on UBS Group 155 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: have both been suspended due to volatility this morning. So 156 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Commerce Bank down six and a half percent four it 157 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: was suspended, the Ubas down by eight point eight percent. 158 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: Deutsche Bank was also briefly suspended there earlier to an 159 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: eight point six percent. I want to bring in our 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg opinion columnist Paul Davies has joins us in studio 161 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: as well. Paul, I wonder when when you look at 162 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: the European banking sector this morning, how different does it 163 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: look compared to Friday when we were sort of waiting 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: to see what would happen. Well, I guess it's one 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: gisip less to start with, But I mean apart from that, 166 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: I guess there is there's still a lot of reassessment 167 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: of risk going on. People will be looking around and 168 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: thinking very carefully about, you know, who else has very battered, 169 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: very lowly valued stock prices. Who else has maybe a 170 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 1: lot of flier potentially fly to your deposits, so deposits 171 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: that are put there by large corporations or you know 172 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: other very large depositors, And who else maybe also has 173 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, derivatives, counterparty exposure where counterparties 174 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: might be you know, thinking about the risk of facing 175 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: off against each other and whether or not they need 176 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: to hedge that risk or pare down their exposures to 177 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: you know, some some of the other banks that they 178 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: work with. I mean, I bring up all of these 179 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: three things because all of these two things of course 180 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: of things that made credit sweez vulnerable. So so that's 181 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: one thing or that's a you know, a set of 182 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: things to be looking at very carefully this morning. I 183 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: would say, well, in your analysis, who are they? Who 184 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: are the wobbly teeth? Well, I'd rather not kind of 185 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: dig into a into a list of names because I haven't, 186 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, fully done the work myself yet, and I 187 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to call out a banking anyway. Yeah, exactly. 188 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: But I mean, if we're we're talking about the landscape 189 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: as a whole, you know, it is there a potential 190 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: that there are other credit Sweezes out there because this 191 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: was essentially a crisis of confidence, and maybe look at 192 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: things like the CT one ratios. They were pretty healthy 193 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: for credit sweez Yet CT one ratios were healthy, you know, 194 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: liquidity ratios were very healthy, and there was also the 195 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: SMB backstop, you know, liquidity support line, of course brought 196 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: in Wednesday last week. None of those things helped credit 197 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: suits in the end. I think the crisis of faith 198 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: in its the strength of its business, it's it's you 199 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: know what it was going to become, its profitability. All 200 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: of those things just kind of were too undermined it 201 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: too much in the end, in the eyes of depositors 202 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: and counterparties. You've described UBS as a reluctant rescuer. Is 203 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: there an upside though for UBS in this Yeah? Absolutely. 204 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean they get a huge international sort of wealth 205 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: management and private banking division, which they'll be very happy 206 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: to have as long as they can keep most of 207 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: the assets. And they also get the very big and 208 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: very profitable, you know, domestic Swiss business, which is I mean, 209 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: you know that they said yesterday and the authorities in 210 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Switzerland said yesterday the competition authorities were fine with that 211 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: and they were going to let UBS take it over, 212 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: which is probably one of the more surprising things out 213 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: of this whole deal. I think they end up with 214 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: something like twenty five percent of the entire more gage 215 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: market in Switzerland. You know, they're by far, you know, 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: the biggest bank in Switzerland. I think the assets on 217 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: their balance sheet are like, you know, more than double 218 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: Switzerland's GDP or something I can't remember, and all the 219 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: guarantees to boot and all the guarantees to boot. So 220 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: it's like it's you know, there's definitely stuff to be 221 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: had out of there that long term is going to be, 222 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: could be, should be very positive for UBS, but there's 223 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: an awful lot of stuff to get done, and there's 224 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: an awful lot of risks in getting that stuff done 225 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: along the way. I mean, it was something that Swiss 226 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: Finance Minister pointed out during the press conference. She said 227 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: that she had her bank accounts on her mortgage at 228 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: Credit Suee, but her in her words, like every Swiss 229 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: person I also have a bank account at UBS. So 230 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: it gives you an idea of their centrality within the 231 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: domestic banking market as well. Look, are there other banks 232 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: who'll actually be worried looking at the new Credit Suite 233 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: thinking about this, is you know, potentially a powerful new 234 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: bank creators I mean internationally, yes, I should think so. 235 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: I mean it's again, in terms of wealth and private banking, 236 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be a very formidable competitor. I think 237 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: the second in the world now only to Morgan st Annally, 238 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: the chairman com Keller has former employer, you know, and 239 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: in a sense this is kind of this is the 240 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: sort of deal that UBS wanted to do. Ultimately they 241 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: ditched this deal for this small kind of US you know, 242 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: sort of digital wealth gatherer wealth front last year, and 243 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: I think you know, if they were looking longer term 244 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: at what they might want to do, it would have 245 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: been to buy a very large kind of international wealth 246 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: and asset management business. They wouldn't have wanted to do 247 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: it quite like this, but it still gives them the 248 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of you know, leap forward that they want in 249 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: those markets. So let's say that the Fed of the 250 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: Bank of England do actually follow the ECB by hiking, 251 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: maybe not as as aggressively as the ECB. Where does 252 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: that leave the European banking sector. Well, what we have 253 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: seen so find the European banking sector, I think is 254 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: is not anything like the same sort of or even 255 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: the start of, you know, the sort of deposit shifts 256 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: around the system that we saw in the US, which 257 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: made a lot of those smaller banks you know, vulnerable 258 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: in terms of what the FED, in terms of what 259 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: the rate hikes do I wrote another piece ended last 260 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: week that was published on Sunday about how we're seeing 261 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: all of these rate hikes arrive at once, because you know, 262 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: the way in which they're they're working through the system 263 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: is there's this sudden kind of you know, a sudden 264 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: realization of risk in the banking system, and that's causing 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, credit conditions to tighten dramatically as you know, 266 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the banks reassess their own sort of 267 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: risk appetite and look at their own sort of stock prices, 268 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: in their own bond valuations, and that's and that's kind 269 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: of how you know, a loss of the interest rate 270 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: rises that have been done already hit the system and 271 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: hit the economy through the provision of credit. 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