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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Norry along with doctor Aaron Judkins. Aaron,

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Speaker 2: let's wrap up Noah's Ark. But a couple main questions.

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Speaker 2: One it happened about forty three hundred years ago, they say,

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Speaker 2: And two did he really put every animal on the

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Speaker 2: planet on that arc?

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly it was going back several thousand years ago

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Speaker 3: for sure. You know, regarding the claims of you know,

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Speaker 3: did every animal go on the art? The biblical record

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Speaker 3: says that two of every kind went on the art,

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Speaker 3: but seven of the clean animals went on the arc,

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Speaker 3: which is very interesting because most people don't realize that

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Speaker 3: seven of the clean animals went on. But these are kinds,

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Speaker 3: not species. So there's been a great study on this.

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Speaker 3: There's a book called Noah's Ark of Feasibility Study that

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Speaker 3: looked at these numbers, and so they break it all down.

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Speaker 3: But the two of the unclean animals went on. And

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Speaker 3: what's interesting is George's and genetics that they traced all

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Speaker 3: original sheep and goats to five original So when Noah

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Speaker 3: came off the arc, at some point he built an

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Speaker 3: altar and he sacrificed two of those animals, two of

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Speaker 3: the clean animals. Genetics confirmed that all sheep and goats

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Speaker 3: come from five originals, so you subtract two out of

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Speaker 3: the seven, that gives you five. This is a very

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Speaker 3: interesting genetic study that was done that's actually confirming the

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Speaker 3: biblical record. So even though probably not all speed she

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Speaker 3: went on the arc, they weren't needed, just the two

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Speaker 3: of the kinds.

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Speaker 2: Might he have taken some kind of DNA on the arc.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they were high sci fi and scientific.

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Speaker 4: That'd be pretty neat if they did.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's probably realistic that they did that,

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Speaker 3: But you don't.

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Speaker 4: You don't really.

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Speaker 3: Need adult size animals to go on the arc. You

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Speaker 3: just need a pink one in a balloon, and they

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Speaker 3: need to be juveniles. Matter of fact, that study that

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Speaker 3: I referenced earlier suggested that the average size of the

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Speaker 3: animal was just about the average size of a sheep,

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Speaker 3: So you don't really need the big creatures on there.

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Speaker 3: You just need the juveniles to go on. They probably

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Speaker 3: went into hibernation at some point. We don't know that

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Speaker 3: for sure. That's all speculation, but certainly certainly those animals

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Speaker 3: went on because we see in the genetic code that

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Speaker 3: I just talked about that confirms that not only in

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Speaker 3: the animals storage, but also in humans. There was a

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Speaker 3: study that came out called the Mitochondrial Eve and it

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Speaker 3: traces the mitochondrial DNA of the female lines going back

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Speaker 3: to the original. And they titled this mitochondrial Eve because

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Speaker 3: it goes back to the original. When they adjusted the

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Speaker 3: rate for the clock of the in the DNA sequence,

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Speaker 3: they realized that this clock really going back to the

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Speaker 3: first genetic eve, measured about six thousand years. Now that's

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Speaker 3: not me saying that, that's what the study came out

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Speaker 3: and said. So there's something happening here because also in

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Speaker 3: that study it showed a genetic bottleneck going back to

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Speaker 3: about that time period where human kind came.

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Speaker 4: Down to almost a near extinction event.

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Speaker 3: So it shows this bottleneck and then a short period

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Speaker 3: and then re explosion of the of the human race.

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Speaker 3: This is all done through genetic studies. But certainly these

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Speaker 3: two sources indicate that the Biblical record isn't be true.

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Speaker 2: Was the flood geographical or worldwide?

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Speaker 4: Well, that would it would be both geographical and worldwide?

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Speaker 3: Why because there is confirming evidence If you just look

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Speaker 3: at geology alone. You see folded and bent strata. You

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Speaker 3: see multiple layers. In the Grand Canyon, you have missing

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Speaker 3: layers that in textbooks are supposed to be there, but

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Speaker 3: actually nine of those layers are missing in the Grand Canyon.

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Speaker 3: They should be there, but they're not. Then you have

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Speaker 3: no evidence of build up. So then you have other

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Speaker 3: layers intruding into other layers. In some cases, like Heart

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Speaker 3: which is very intriguing. You have an older layer of

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Speaker 3: Heart Mountain that's not supposed to happen. Uh.

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Speaker 4: So there's there's a lot of confirming evidence.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about the fossil record rapid deposition burial,

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Speaker 3: which creates fossilization that needs a couple of conditions to happen.

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Speaker 3: It has to be rapidly buried, and then it has

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Speaker 3: geological record and the fossil record that indicates worldwide conditions.

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Speaker 4: Were were there. We are global delutes.

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Speaker 3: One more I'll give you is the Gobi Desert in China.

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Speaker 3: Although it's sand and desert now, at one time that

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Speaker 3: was all under water, and they're finding some fascinating things

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Speaker 3: like fossilized dinosaur eggs, completely intact dinosaurs locked into position

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Speaker 3: fighting each other, completely intact soft tissue, and dinosaur bones

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Speaker 3: that's supposedly sixty sixty five million years yet their soft

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Speaker 3: tissue still inside these dinosaur bones. Not only soft tissue, George,

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Speaker 3: but collagen, red blood cells that are pliable, elastic still

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Speaker 3: nerve endings, collagen. These things are all being vented by

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Speaker 3: science now and it really questions this timeline of events

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Speaker 2: And what do you think the flood was arin, where

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Speaker 2: do I think it was? What do you think it was?

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Speaker 2: I think asteroid strike, heavy rains, What do you think happened?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: You know there was whatever happened, was a global clad

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Speaker 3: had a cosmic event. I think probably all the above happened.

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Speaker 3: You had probably a lot of vulcanism that created the

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Speaker 3: mid Atlantic Rift. This is under the ocean. This is

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Speaker 3: the trench that's it's part of the deepest.

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Speaker 4: Canyon in the world. It's under the ocean.

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Speaker 3: It's the highest mountain ranges that we have on Earth.

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Speaker 3: It's under the ocean. It's taller than Mount Everest. This

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Speaker 3: mint Atlantic Rift, geologists say, ripped around the Earth in

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Speaker 3: about two minutes, and it kind of created like a

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Speaker 3: like a baseball scar, like a seam on a baseball.

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Speaker 3: It kind of created a scar, but it ripped around

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Speaker 3: the Earth in about two minutes. Now, if you have

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Speaker 3: to set out vulcanism. It's going to cause sulfured dioxide

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Speaker 4: It's going to block out the sun.

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Speaker 3: You're going to have some kind of a colder environment,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be drier. This is all pointing back

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Speaker 3: to the Younger, Dryest event, which is an event that

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Speaker 3: most scientists agree that there was a cataclysm that happened worldwide.

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Speaker 3: As matter of fact, it wiped out most of the

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Speaker 4: That when you're looking at these animals they.

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Speaker 3: Had extinction events, say in Australia of ninety percent extinction

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Speaker 3: you'd have seventy to seventy five percent of these Plesis

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Speaker 3: something that's happened worldwide. We see it all around the earth,

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Speaker 3: and including places like Clovis, New Mexico, where there's a

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Speaker 4: There's just nothing.

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Speaker 3: This coincides with other places around the world, including go

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Speaker 3: Beckley Tepping.

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Speaker 2: Which, since you brought it up, is in Turkey again.

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Speaker 2: I mean Turkey's got all these great artifacts.

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Speaker 4: Is that they really do? You know?

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Speaker 3: Turkey is a wonderful place if you love history and archaeology.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know that, but this is

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Speaker 3: biblical Asia Minor also referred to as Anatolia, and there

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Speaker 3: is so much history there it goes back thousands of years.

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Speaker 4: Really a lot of this is just coming to light,

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Speaker 2: Why is there such a hoopla about go Beckley Teppe.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the big deal about Go Beckley Tepe. Back

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five or so, doctor Klaus Schmidt was

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Speaker 4: It got mislabeled as a Byzantine cemetery.

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Speaker 3: Back in the nineteen sixties, Klaus Smid had wrapped up

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Speaker 3: When they begin to excavate Go Beckley Tape, which took

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Speaker 3: them ten years alone just to excavate Enclosure D. That's

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Speaker 3: one enclosure. When they started excavating, they begin to hit

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Speaker 4: So according to the conventional knowledge.

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Speaker 3: That we have about the Stone Age, this is before

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Speaker 2: What surprised you the most about your research into Go

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Speaker 3: Well, it broke a lot of It broke a lot

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Speaker 3: of paradigms that I had. You know, I had some assumptions,

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Speaker 4: I knew just a few things about it.

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Speaker 3: I just had made some assumptions that, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: But when I really decided to sit down and research

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Speaker 3: You have excavations that are ensuing, but then that has

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Speaker 3: and so sometimes information is so slow we don't really have,

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Speaker 3: you know, real time information until maybe a year later.

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Speaker 3: But what we do know right now with go Beckley

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Speaker 3: Teppe being only probably ten percent excavated, is that it

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Speaker 2: What do you think it was?

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Speaker 3: Well, in my book, we were proposing a couple of

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Speaker 3: different new theories in decoding Go Beckley Tepe.

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Speaker 4: One is.

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Speaker 3: This language theory called Louvian logograms or Anatolian hieroglyphics. Now,

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Speaker 3: in this region of Turkey. The Luvians had a common

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Speaker 3: which was a formal writing that they used on monumental stone,

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Speaker 3: and that were these logograms. A logogram is one character

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Speaker 3: that represents an entire word. So if you're writing on stone,

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Speaker 3: you have limited space, you have to make it count.

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Speaker 4: A logogram is perfect for that. It was.

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Speaker 3: Really something that the Hittites picked up and adopted into their.

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Speaker 4: Culture because of just the.

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Speaker 3: I guess, the efficiency of the language for writing on stone.

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Speaker 3: So if you had a formal occasion you needed to

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Speaker 3: write it on stone, you would use Louvian logograms. This

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Speaker 3: is one of the theories I'm proposing in the book,

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Speaker 3: is that there's language on the stones at go Beckley,

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Speaker 3: Tepe not simply art motifs. Two, we're proposing a new

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Speaker 3: theory called the regeneration theory at the site, specifically related

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Speaker 3: to Enclosure D that talks about the life after death

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Speaker 4: The side at Go Beckley Tepe may.

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Speaker 3: Be telling us that there was a regeneration in their

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Speaker 3: cosmology belief to regenerate their loved ones in the act

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Speaker 3: of life, to go back to the heavens as.

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Speaker 4: A star god.

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Speaker 3: So Three, there's a theory that we're proposing about these

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Speaker 3: two anthropomorphic images and Enclosure D, specifically western pillar thirty

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Speaker 3: one in Eastern pillar eighteen. I've identified those two and

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Speaker 3: I take the Sumerian language and I kind of break

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Speaker 3: down for the reader of what it means. It's Sumerian

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Speaker 3: related to Go Beckley Teppe, and it really gives us

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