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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump has canceled former VP

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Speaker 1: Harris's Secret Service detail. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today. The Nation's get Here stops by to

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Speaker 1: talk about the damage done by disassembling the United States government.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Congresswoman Mikey Cheryl about her run

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Speaker 1: for New Jersey governor. But first we have the news Swally.

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Speaker 2: I know this administration is not so hot on facts, indicators, gauges,

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Speaker 2: other metrics, especially when it comes to the economy. But

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Speaker 2: the FED is their inflation gauge and ain't looking good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out facts really care about Trump World's feelings.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. So here's the deal. The head of

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Speaker 1: the Bureau of Labor Statistics revised the journalists claim Trump

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Speaker 1: fired her. The FED refused to lower interest rates. Trump

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Speaker 1: tried to fire Lisa Cook. We'll see what happens. Trump

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Speaker 1: would like to fire anyone who releases data that does

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Speaker 1: not say basically North Korean style. Mister Trump, you are

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Speaker 1: the greatest leader. And again, like that cabinet meeting that

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Speaker 1: happened this week where they were all going around like

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Speaker 1: who can make a bigger Trump statue. That's a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what's happening here. Trump is working really hard

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Speaker 1: to get rid of data which doesn't create the vibes

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Speaker 1: that he wants. The data's woke, Molly, Yeah, the datas woke.

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Speaker 1: Math is woke. But it's also like this has worked

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Speaker 1: for Trump, right. Trump has flooded the zone. He has

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Speaker 1: drowned out all the other noise. This has worked, So

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Speaker 1: why won't it work with this? And here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: The problem is if it works. The problem is if

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Speaker 1: people don't understand and what's coming these indicators. We have

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Speaker 1: these indicators for reason to guide us to make better decisions,

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Speaker 1: to help us avoid catastrophe. What's happening here is that

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Speaker 1: he's covering up information that will be useful for making

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Speaker 1: smarter decisions which can avoid catastrophe. So the core PCEE,

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Speaker 1: which excludes food and energy costs. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I just want to point out, I'm in a place

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Speaker 1: that's quite expensive right now, but the gas here is

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Speaker 1: over four dollars a gallon the same with here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seems very high to me, and especially because the

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Speaker 1: a gallon. I don't see that anywhere. So what it's

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Speaker 1: saying is compared to the same period a year ago,

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Speaker 1: the personal consumption Expenditures Price Index increased two point six

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Speaker 1: percent in July, so that means that inflation is up.

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Speaker 1: So now you have this problem, which I think is

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Speaker 1: really worth thinking about for a minute. Democrats got a

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Speaker 1: lot of flak for saying that inflation was transitory. You'll

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Speaker 1: remember that they got a lot of flack, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of conservative pundits were like, Democrats are lying about inflation.

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Speaker 1: Things are more expensive. They are not telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: And they were telling the truth, but they were trying

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Speaker 1: to explain it, and people didn't want to hear an explanation.

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Speaker 1: They just wanted things to be cheaper. Okay, now we

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Speaker 1: have inflation. It's actually happening, and it's not being caused

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Speaker 1: by a once in a lifetime pandemic. No, it's being

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Speaker 1: caused by what What's it been caused by by tariffs?

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Speaker 1: Tariffs and maybe some cutting of wind power, soul or

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Speaker 1: you know that we built all this expansion that Trump

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Speaker 1: that and you know, some of the inflation is probably

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Speaker 1: being caused by a lot of anxiety when it comes

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Speaker 1: to businesses if you know, they don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. That's also from the terrafs. So you have

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Speaker 1: inflation here happening, the administration saying it's not happening, and

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Speaker 1: I think that it makes it much more dangerous you

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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. Also, I want to add,

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Speaker 1: we look at this economy right now. The growth is

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Speaker 1: all coming from AI, this artificial intelligence which is going

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Speaker 1: to take away all our jobs and make us all

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Speaker 1: much much stupider, probably because it's going to write everything

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Speaker 2: Also, let someone to commit suicide this week, So maybe

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Speaker 2: that's what all happens then, Right.

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Speaker 1: So the point is, you know, so much of the

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Speaker 1: growth in this economy is AI and not other things.

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Speaker 1: If that AI bubble bursts, there's a real thinking that

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Speaker 1: you know, So the point of all of this is

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Speaker 1: that knowing things is meant to help you, not hurt you.

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Speaker 1: And Trump's war on data is ultimately one of his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and For the record, the national average for gas

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Speaker 1: Okay, so where we are is more expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where we are is more expensive, but we're a

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Speaker 2: lot closer to the real price than mister Trump anyway,

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Speaker 2: So Maya, I'm going to be real here a lot

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Speaker 2: of time when I hear Latin my and goes, I'm

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Speaker 2: good on that. But I realized I had to learn

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Speaker 2: what a deminimous rule was this week, because it's looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was reading an article about this, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's really true. And I've written about this too,

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Speaker 1: that Trump world takes these zombie laws like the Comstock

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Speaker 1: Act or you know, different sort of stupid things we

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Speaker 1: abandoned in the past but that were never repealed. That

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Speaker 1: Trump uses to do a lot of things like prevent

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Speaker 1: the mailing of abortion pills. So this is a great example.

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Speaker 1: The deminimous exception was meant for buying things that were small.

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Speaker 1: I was introduced in nineteen thirty eight to avoid the

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Speaker 1: expense of collecting only small amounts of import duties into

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Speaker 1: the US. Now, why do you think that is? Because

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Speaker 1: very expensive to tear small things. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same way that you let some things

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Speaker 1: Right. So you're going to buy a pair of pants,

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Speaker 1: the tariff is going to be whatever. Say you buy

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Speaker 1: a pair of pants that are one hundred dollars, the

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Speaker 1: a seven dollars tariff charge. By the way, I don't

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Speaker 1: know who they're hiring to do all of this, but

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Speaker 1: the point of this or not zero, but we went

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Speaker 1: from low, very targeted tariffs to whatever. This is the

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Speaker 1: point I want to make about this was it was

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Speaker 2: Right, hummm, what was going on then?

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Speaker 1: I wonder what was going on there? And also, like

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Speaker 1: feels like the run up to nineteen twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like creator in the show when you

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Speaker 2: call big balls Franz Ferdinand. That's going to stick with

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Speaker 2: me for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that era, that was pretty much my best moment.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of bad moments, this stuff with the massive walkouts

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Speaker 2: nightmare fuel. I like to call this nightmare jet fuel

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Speaker 1: There's long been a discussion in certain sections of the

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Speaker 1: So he has brought in people who are anti vax,

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Speaker 1: Susan Moraz was asked the CDC director she had just

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Speaker 1: Patty Murphy said something quite good about her. She said,

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Speaker 1: perhaps this is the moment to get in there and

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Speaker 1: do something. You are a doctor. You know what's happening here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Not good.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that we learned during the

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Speaker 2: making of our special on Project twenty twenty five was

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Speaker 2: that one of its authors, Russ Fought, is particularly supposedly

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Speaker 2: you get around these pesky government rules, and you get

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Speaker 2: of these laws ment to these checks and balances. And

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Speaker 2: today we have another action like that where the White

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Speaker 2: House was declared almost five billion dollars in four and eight.

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Speaker 2: You know early, can't you knowatter? Early canceled?

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Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting about that Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: And I take no pleasure in saying that because when

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Speaker 1: I mean they ran for office to get power.

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Speaker 2: Notoriously would you go into governments because you're a person

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Speaker 1: It turns out they're not power hungry when it comes

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Speaker 1: when these members of Congress made deals with the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: was like, what are you guys thinking, Like, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: stop following the law, which this administration has done numerous times,

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Speaker 1: when you just decide you're going to do whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: you're just going to follow with vibes. When that happens,

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Speaker 1: stuff like this is what is the result. So they're

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Speaker 1: declaring four point nine billion and fourign canceled. They'd love

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Speaker 1: to cancel fore An aid. So this is I think

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Speaker 1: come up in September. There's a real question they need

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Speaker 1: Democrats to fund the government. Now, Trump, you'll remember, wants

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Speaker 1: the government to stop working. So I think it'll be

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Speaker 1: a real question here what happens, because there's no world

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Speaker 1: this is bad. We shouldn't shut down the government. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's just we'll give that foreign aid. No, there's no

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Speaker 1: way that's going to happen. So I think the question

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Speaker 1: is what is the democrats threshold? For pain when it

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Speaker 1: comes to a shutdown, and if they shut down, who

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Speaker 1: blames who? Right? Will voters blame Democrats for a shutdown,

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Speaker 1: which is what Republicans say, or will voters understand that

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Speaker 1: this shutdown is because of the actions of the Trump

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Speaker 3: Actually, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Big news of the last couple of days is what

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Speaker 1: And tariffs are good for manipulating the stock market, and

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Speaker 1: they're also good for cutout where you can give your

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Speaker 1: friends deals.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I know, it's just the kind of crony

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Speaker 3: capitalism where like but also like getting everyone to kiss

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Speaker 3: the ring to like feed Trump's narcissism with all these

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Speaker 3: big companies, there's a reason why, like you know, cook

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Speaker 3: of Apple, like you know, give crump that ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Ji jaw because Tim Apple.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I don't that once you'd credit too

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Speaker 5: much policy in told just as it is the sort

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Speaker 5: of you know, manifestation of the same sort of like narcissism.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately like very kind of damaging. And I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean politically, I think the interesting thing is I

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Speaker 3: think we're gonna see the effects of this. We already

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Speaker 3: see the effects of this in terms of rising prices,

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Speaker 3: which you know, like Trump and them are gonna like,

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Speaker 3: you know, say, well this is d I or this

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Speaker 3: is like the Biden administration or whatever. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: like you you know, like a lot of this will

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Speaker 3: be eating up by consumers. And I don't know that

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have like a high wage plus high prices.

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Speaker 3: Post can make sense, but I actually don't see the

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Speaker 3: high wages aspect of red No, it's hard to see

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Speaker 3: this as anything other than it's gonna have a very

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Speaker 3: bad effect on ordinary people.

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Speaker 1: It feels like we're in the fuck around period now right,

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Speaker 1: like high tariffs, firing all the CDC. So much of

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Speaker 1: the federal government is redundndencies to keep things from falling apart,

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Speaker 1: so you know, you have like Social Security has redundancies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that people get their checks, so that Big Balls

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Speaker 1: doesn't load everyone's information into an insecure cloud storage, which

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Speaker 1: there's a whistleblower report saying he did Big Balls. By

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Speaker 1: the way, is our our Duke bernand discuss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I mean, like it turns out that

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Speaker 3: he's also responsible for the occupation of Washington, d C. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if it turns out that Twittin gains all of America's

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Speaker 3: nuclear secrets, that probably turns me that big balls is

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Speaker 3: the good And I look forward to the historians of

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Speaker 3: the future teaching about big balls to children as this

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Speaker 3: is the demand responsible for the fall of the American Empire.

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Speaker 3: But I me, I mean, the thing is like this,

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Speaker 3: you know, like the bureaucracy and the that this has

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Speaker 3: been a dream of the right for a long time.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is one reason why Trump is

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Speaker 3: still very power of Republican you know, he's he's he's

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Speaker 3: doing it. But you know, like we're actually gonna see, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, the real world consequences.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get to find out and whether it's

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Speaker 1: a pandemic or a financial crisis, it's coming.

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Speaker 3: That's right exactly on that level. Like I actually do

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Speaker 3: kind of think, you know, like I would like to see,

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Speaker 3: you know, democrats be more like laying out like what

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Speaker 3: is that, you know, like an affirmative defense of government

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Speaker 3: and all the things that the CDC did, you know,

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Speaker 3: like I'm not actually seeing like a lot of defenses

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Speaker 3: of doctor FONTI. But you know like that, you know,

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Speaker 3: you do that more people died than they should that

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Speaker 3: Trump's fut but actually, you know, like like what was

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Speaker 3: actually achieved with Operation War Speed was kind of like

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Speaker 3: a miracle, and like, you know, like in terms of

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Speaker 3: eventually rebuilding, like you actually need people to make the

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Speaker 3: actual positive case that you know, government for government for

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Speaker 3: a strong state with like you know, like an independent

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Speaker 3: breocracy that is made up of experts, you know, who

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Speaker 3: have like a level of confidence in their job and

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Speaker 3: won't be fired by some idiot whose half of whose

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Speaker 3: brain has been by a worm. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point. And in a

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Speaker 1: world with no mainstream media, which is really we don't

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Speaker 1: have it. We have the New York Times, that's it.

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Speaker 1: In a world where that you have that whole, it

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Speaker 1: falls on the opposition party to narrate what's happening. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you that unfortunately that opposition party

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Speaker 1: are the Democrat.

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Speaker 3: It is true.

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Speaker 1: Something're gonna, yeah, they're gonna need to narrate what happens.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the things I've been struck by,

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Speaker 1: and again you and I have different a little bit

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Speaker 1: different ideologies, but You're Canadians, so you have you're a

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Speaker 1: little smarter and a little nicer. I'm Americans. I'm a

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Speaker 1: little dumber and a little meaner. I do think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the Democrats who are able to narrate

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Speaker 1: this moment. Yeah, there's no other game there, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's no Walter Mondel for this moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I mean I think that I

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Speaker 3: think that's exactly right. Like I actually do think, you know,

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Speaker 3: narrating the game. Actually, I think talking about like, you know,

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Speaker 3: the long term damages. I think people's senses. I think

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Speaker 3: that you know, like you see the sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: Bernie and aoc rallies, but you also see the protests,

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Speaker 3: like you know, the CDC, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 3: that came out, you know, to cheer on the fired

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Speaker 3: workers out in Atlanta. I think I think people have

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Speaker 3: like a basic level of understanding of like, you know

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Speaker 3: that we actually rely on these people. And I think

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Speaker 3: that this would actually be like a good message, and

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Speaker 3: it's a more in some ways. The one advantage of

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Speaker 3: this message is it's a more positive message than just

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Speaker 3: talking about how bad Trump.

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Speaker 6: Is, because honestly, we've known this for ten years and

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Speaker 6: for some of us, like myself, like I maybe Trump

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Speaker 6: since the nineteen eighties, like I remember this guy from

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Speaker 6: the Central Park so so so so. Yeah, to talk

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Speaker 6: about like how terrible Trump is, Yes, we we already

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Speaker 6: know that, but like actually to make the case like

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Speaker 6: what kind of you know, like America do we want

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Speaker 6: at the end of this, and and to actually say that,

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Speaker 6: like you know, things like the CDC you'll have to

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Speaker 6: do a tremendous benefit to the America, you know, and

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Speaker 6: what is being done is sort of like a vandalism

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Speaker 6: and a destruction of the sort of you know, the

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Speaker 6: real patrimony and the real heritage of America is it's

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Speaker 6: it's obscene.

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Speaker 1: You can't just be against things, Yeah, yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: to be for something.

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Speaker 3: That's right now. You have to actually say what these

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Speaker 3: institutions do and why we need them. You know. That's

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Speaker 3: the kind of missing component. You know, one is hearing

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Speaker 3: some of this, but I would actually like to see

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Speaker 3: a more force square you know, a defense of all

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Speaker 3: these institutions, because I gotta tell you, like, at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, they're gonna have to be revealed

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Speaker 3: at some point, like you know, like there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: some we don't know what the disasters that's coming is

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Speaker 3: going to be, but there will be something really bad

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Speaker 3: and at the end of it, like unless you have

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Speaker 3: an alternative narrative, what is going to happen? Is that

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Speaker 3: like if there's like a financial meltdown or a plague

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Speaker 3: trap and those guys will say was DEI or you know,

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Speaker 3: you actually have to like actually have something in place

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Speaker 3: so that people understand have a mental roadmap of what's

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Speaker 3: happening in the world. And I think that's the crucial

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Speaker 3: clinical agenda for this moment.

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Speaker 1: Jid here will you come back?

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Speaker 3: Of course, I love youing on this program.

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Mikey Cheryl represents New Jersey's eleventh district and is

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Speaker 1: a candidate for governor in New Jersey. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Mikey Shannon. Well, great to be here and

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Speaker 1: it's great to be back. Thanks so much. You're running

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Speaker 1: for governor of New Jersey. First, I want to know

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Speaker 1: how do you make that decision to go from Congress

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Speaker 1: because there are two of you in that group where

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Speaker 1: you guys went to Congress at the same time, are

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Speaker 1: very close and you have a list right the three

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Speaker 1: of you you Abigail and Alyssa are all very close

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Speaker 1: and you've all made these decisions. So how do you

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Speaker 1: make that decision to go from the House to the governorship.

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Speaker 7: So, especially in speaking about Alyssa and Abigail and speaking

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Speaker 7: to them over the years, I think that when you

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Speaker 7: come from national security, when you come from in my

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Speaker 7: case the military was an EVY helicopter pilot, it's a

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Speaker 7: very proactive place. That is a place where you know,

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Speaker 7: the constant mantras are things like lead follower, get out

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Speaker 7: of the way. Are the only easy to do was yesterday?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's just this constant drum beat of getting

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Speaker 7: stuff accomplished. And really it makes a lot of sense. Right,

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Speaker 7: decisions have to be made in a crisis, calmly but quickly,

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Speaker 7: and then decisions have to be executed.

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Speaker 1: Results have to happen.

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Speaker 7: There's not a lot of you know what, I'm standing

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Speaker 7: on the still getting shot at, and in about ten

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Speaker 7: years I'm going to make a decision about what the.

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Speaker 1: Best course of Actually, you really have to keep moving.

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Speaker 7: And so I do think that there's this drive to serve,

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Speaker 7: there's this drive to get results, and there is especially

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Speaker 7: in a time like this, which I think certainly I

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Speaker 7: and I think both of those women view as a

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Speaker 7: time of crisis, there is a real need for leadership,

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Speaker 7: so constantly looking at how in these times can I

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Speaker 7: best lead, How can I make sure that I'm best

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Speaker 7: taking care of the people I'm serving, that I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: Results for them.

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Speaker 7: And in my case, it's being governor that ability to

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Speaker 7: direct the plan and to execute and to get results

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Speaker 7: for people in a timely manner, and to sort of

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Speaker 7: work with everyone on that agenda and bring everyone together

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Speaker 7: on that mission. Because I have to tell you, you know,

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Speaker 7: here in New Jersey, we're facing an onslaught of crap

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Speaker 7: from the federal government that we're having to deal with

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Speaker 7: in a really destructive way, and we want to you know,

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Speaker 7: we're ready to do that, and we're ready to stand

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Speaker 7: up to that. But we're also facing some problems for

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Speaker 7: Trent where we're not moving quickly enough, where we're we've

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Speaker 7: got to cut through red tape and permitting issues, where

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Speaker 7: it takes too long to guests have accomplished, where costs

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Speaker 7: are just going up, up, up every year, and the root.

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Speaker 1: Causes of that aren't correctly addressed. So it's this.

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Speaker 7: Desire right now to really take on these tough challenges

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Speaker 7: and to get to work right away.

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Speaker 1: New Jersey had some really interesting elected you, Andrew, No,

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Speaker 1: but it's just a real rate. It's like been a

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Speaker 1: real sea change. Also because New Jersey used to have

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Speaker 1: a certain kind of politician and now you guys have

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Speaker 1: a very different kind of politician. You know, Democrats have

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Speaker 1: been in power for two terms. So you're running as

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Speaker 1: a change candidate, but to succeed another Democrat, how do

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Speaker 1: you make the case for that and how do you

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Speaker 1: sort of campaign on that but also opposed to that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, this is I think a really

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Speaker 7: critical election here in New Jersey. So we do have

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Speaker 7: interesting politics.

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Speaker 1: We have tough politics.

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Speaker 7: So we have more municipalities here in New Jersey then California,

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Speaker 7: so that gives a dense layer of people in elected

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Speaker 7: office and everyone, you know, kind of driving to deliver.

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Speaker 7: And so if you want to run here, you need

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Speaker 7: to be willing to take on tough challenges and you

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Speaker 7: need to be a tough fighter because nobody here in

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Speaker 7: politics puts up with somebody who's kind of going to

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Speaker 7: be a shrinking violot, Right, you need to get in

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Speaker 7: there and go. And so with that in mind taking

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Speaker 7: on these tough challenges, but also then an understanding here

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Speaker 7: in this state that this.

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Speaker 1: Is for all the marvels.

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Speaker 7: This is the only statewide competitive race in the nation

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Speaker 7: the year after Trump got into office and is really

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Speaker 7: destroying the economy right now, So we know we have

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Speaker 7: a responsibility. I hear it all the time from the

652
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Speaker 7: people of New Jersey, like we are ready to do this.

653
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Speaker 7: And as we're hearing some of the national narratives about

654
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Speaker 7: concerns about engagement and stuff, here in New Jersey, we're

655
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Speaker 7: like on the front line of the fight and we're

656
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 7: ready to go. So for example, we saw the largest

657
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Speaker 7: turnout in the Democratic primary in the state of New

658
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Speaker 7: Jersey ever in June, so we have mobilized people. We

659
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Speaker 7: remain mobilized as the Democratic Party. We saw the divisions

660
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Speaker 7: in the party last year in New Jersey, we are

661
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Speaker 7: all coming together.

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Speaker 1: We had a huge primary.

663
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Speaker 7: We had a six person competitive primary in a way

664
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Speaker 7: that we rarely see in our state.

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Speaker 1: For various reasons.

666
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 7: People were fighting hard. But it's sort of like a

667
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 7: big Italian family where you kind of come together and

668
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 7: yell at each other and then at the day you

669
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 7: love each other and you come together and that's what

670
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 7: our Democratic Party is doing. So we are ready for

671
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 7: this fight. I get asked by people from outside New Jersey,

672
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 7: you know, are you guys going to do this? We

673
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 7: are going to do everything, you know, within our ability

674
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Speaker 7: to make sure that we are leading the way here

675
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Speaker 7: in New Jersey on how you both fight back against

676
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 7: the attacks on small businesses, on medicaid, on families, on

677
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 7: housing costs, on utility costs, and at the same time

678
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 7: deliver really great government here in the Garden State.

679
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Trump kind of closed the gas in New Jersey sort

680
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Speaker 1: of shockingly, and I remember actually watching Don Lemon do

681
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Speaker 1: a live from New Jersey and asking people how they

682
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: were going to vote, and I was there were a

683
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of Trump voters, a lot of like low frequency

684
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: voters who maybe didn't necessarily know what he was going

685
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: to do would affect them. You're in the state going around,

686
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: are you seeing any kind of Trump remorse? What is

687
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: it like there on the ground, Because I know they're

688
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: of tariffs, but some things haven't been passed on to

689
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: consumers yet, and I'm just curious.

690
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 7: So costume and going up on New Jerseys for years now,

691
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 7: and people are frustrated with Trump, because he promised to

692
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 7: address those customs only made it worse.

693
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: So sure people are upset, but is there this huge remorse.

694
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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm feeling that.

695
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 7: But what there is is this desire to find a

696
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 7: leader who is going to address these issues in a

697
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 7: thoughtful way. And so I say that because this is

698
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 7: the least partisan race I've run in. People are exhausted

699
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 7: by a lot of what's been going on in this country.

700
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 7: They're exhausted by the vitriol, They're exhausted by the rage.

701
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 7: Many people who I'd say ten years ago were you know,

702
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 7: had maybe MSNBC on loop, you know, just watching or

703
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: even Fox News just watching it all the time, or

704
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 7: saying like, I'm not watching the news right now, I'm

705
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 7: knocking on the door. I'm talking to my friends and neighbors,

706
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 7: and people who, you know, even a couple of years

707
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 7: ago would have said, I've cut off my you know,

708
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 7: brother in law because he's a Trump voter are now

709
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 7: sort of like, yeah, you know, he's a Trump voter,

710
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 7: but you know, we all agree that we got to

711
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 7: get casts down here, and we just don't talk about

712
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 7: it right now. I think there is this willingness and

713
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 7: openness in a very different way to the conversations.

714
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Speaker 1: And so whereas maybe.

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Speaker 7: In a twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty two, twenty

716
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Speaker 7: twenty four, as I would be out saying like, look,

717
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 7: I'm running for governor, people say are you Democrat? And

718
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 7: if I said yes, they'd be like, I'm a Trump supporter.

719
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: It's just a veterans event the other day and everybody,

721
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Speaker 7: and you know, this was in my district, so people

722
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 7: know who I am. And I was speaking to a

723
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Speaker 7: bunch of people and there's a guy wearing a maga

724
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 7: haat and I'm just talking to his table and I'm like, hey,

725
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 7: I just wanted to check in. I'm you know, how

726
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 7: are you guys doing? And we were just talking and

727
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 7: you know, nobody said like when I reached out to

728
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 7: shake their hand or to say hell, nobody was like

729
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 7: you know, in the past that might have been the case,

730
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 7: but now I think people are looking to see what

731
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 7: can you deliver? And I think right now, with my

732
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Speaker 7: histories of veteran that lends credibility to people because I've

733
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 7: always served this country. This is not new i haven't

734
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 7: come this way. You know, I'm not doing this for

735
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 7: self interest. Nobody goes into the military to make gazillions, right, Like,

736
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 7: this is something that I've long served this country. I'm

737
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 7: continuing to serve this country. I've got four kids, so

738
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Speaker 7: I cared deeply about the future.

739
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Speaker 1: Of this state. And so people get why I'm at.

740
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Speaker 7: This and so that alone, that level of integrity and

741
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 7: accountability speaks to people in a way that is, you know,

742
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 7: people are willing to say, Okay, so what's your plan?

743
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Speaker 1: What are you going to do?

744
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Speaker 7: And as we've spoken to thousands and thousands of people,

745
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 7: I think we've really honed in on what.

746
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Speaker 1: It's going to take.

747
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Speaker 7: And I would say, you know, people keep acting like

748
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 7: this is a real mystery. What do we need to do?

749
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 7: What do democrats need to do? I've never found it

750
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 7: very hard. I've been running since twenty eighteen. You go around,

751
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 7: you meet with as many people as humanly possible. You

752
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 7: hear about what those things are that are keeping them

753
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 7: up at night, and then you say, okay, would this

754
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 7: work if I did this, if I was able to

755
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 7: do this for you, would that make a difference in

756
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 7: your life?

757
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: Would that help you sleep at night?

758
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 7: And you know, you work until you find those answers,

759
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 7: and then you just go and speak to as many

760
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 7: more people as possible as you can to bring them

761
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 7: on board, and then you start to execute the minute

762
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Speaker 7: you get in office.

763
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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, I think that's what

764
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Speaker 1: people want.

765
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Speaker 7: And they're just too many people in office now who

766
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 7: will say whatever you want to hear. And then they

767
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 7: get in office and they completely ignore you. And then

768
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 7: four years later they show up at your church and

769
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 7: they're there again.

770
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: Ay me again.

771
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Speaker 7: That is the exact opposite of how I've always run

772
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Speaker 7: and how I've always delivered. And I have to tell you,

773
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 7: I think right now people just want to see who's

774
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 7: gonna really have me in mind, who's going to make

775
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 7: sure my kids are okay?

776
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: And they're not seeing a lot of that. You have

777
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: a sort of bold plan to make energy prices cheaper,

778
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: Explain to us what that would be.

779
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 7: So right now, we have an energy crisis in New

780
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 7: Jersey in the whole region for a lot of reasons,

781
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Speaker 7: and I would say some of it's our grid operator

782
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 7: PJAM And so we have a bipartisan group of governors

783
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Speaker 7: in the PGM region who are really holding them to account,

784
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 7: who are coming out I mean they have just taken

785
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 7: six years to get new power generation into the grid.

786
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 7: They've got huge amount of people in the queue. They've

787
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Speaker 7: screwed up the market, so prices have gone up exponentially.

788
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Speaker 7: We have the BPU, the Board of Public Utilities here

789
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 7: in New Jersey, who has seen this and kick the

790
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 7: can down the road. We've had the administration as and

791
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 7: appropriately addressed it. We have Trump who's now driving up

792
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 7: with a one big, beautiful bill energy costs by hundreds

793
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Speaker 7: of dollars. And so at the end of the day,

794
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 7: we have this crisis. And then I'm running against a

795
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 7: guy who's basically said that PJM, the grid operator who

796
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 7: stretches from here to Illinois at this point and is

797
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 7: in multiple states, is just some small nonprofit because he

798
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 7: wants to discount it and says that people have to

799
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 7: suffer a little pain with Trump's policies. Well, people are

800
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 7: suffering a lot of pain, and that's not okay. And

801
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 7: so instead of allowing all these alphabet soup of agencies

802
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 7: to put the costs on the back of families because

803
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 7: they've screwed this up, instead, I'm coming in and I'm

804
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 7: saying no. On day one, I'm declaring an emergency on

805
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: utility costs and freezing rate hikes, because then we are

806
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 7: going to push power into the grid. We're going to

807
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 7: get solar in battery storage almost immediately. We're going to

808
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 7: had through red tape and permitting so we can continue

809
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 7: to do that and then grow out the power plan

810
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 7: by modernizing our natural GaAs infrastructure and then looking to

811
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 7: nuclear in the future, because right now costs have just

812
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 7: gone up without a really legitimate strategy going forward with

813
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 7: how we're going to really push power into our state

814
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 7: and drive cost down.

815
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that this is this new trumpy thing.

816
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: You have to have a little pain, But I mean

817
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like with the two dollars instead of five dolls

818
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: there's no world in which they can bring back manufacturing

819
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: with the way they're doing the tariffs. This little pain

820
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: isn't going to like putting the grid on solar. It's

821
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: just going to like fuck ups and corruption. Right Well,

822
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. The little pain is to enrich Trump

823
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: and his cronies. I mean, we've seen the biggest transfer

824
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: of wealth in the history of this nation since FDR

825
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: in the One Big Beautiful Bill, and so it's a

826
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Speaker 1: lot of working people, a lot of four people taking

827
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: on i'd say more than a little pain so that

828
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: the rich can get richer. How is this actually addressing

829
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: the deficit which they promised to How is this actually

830
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: getting costs down for people which they promised to do. Instead,

831
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: they're getting in these trade wars with Canada.

832
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Speaker 7: So now small businesses who have North American supply chains

833
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 7: are going out of business. Big businesses are not employing people,

834
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 7: and you're seeing that in the jobs numbers, or you

835
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 7: were until Trump fired the people recording it. So this

836
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 7: idea that somehow we're all in this together and we're

837
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 7: all going to take on this pain for a better future. No,

838
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 7: we're all taking on pain so rich people can have

839
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 7: a better future and everyone else can just have crups

840
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 7: at the table.

841
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Speaker 1: And that's again unacceptable.

842
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 7: Time running for governor because in New Jersey we're going

843
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 7: to chart a different path forward, because again, if we

844
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 7: are going to build out a middle class, if we're

845
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 7: going to keep a strong, resilient middle class in our state,

846
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 7: we need strong leadership in the state.

847
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Speaker 1: And again that's why I'm running for governor. Trump has

848
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: been taking aim at different states. We see that the

849
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: states with the governors who push back artists ultimately sort

850
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: of save themselves in a weird way. I feel like

851
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: we saw this now Trump, you know, saying he's going

852
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: to go into Chicago, and this sort of quick pushback

853
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: from PRITZKERGH has definitely been kind of the move you're

854
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully going to be a governor. Who are

855
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: you sort of studying? What are you learning from watching

856
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: what's happening right now?

857
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 7: I am looking at every possible way that as governor,

858
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 7: I am going to be able to stand against what's

859
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 7: going on in Washington and Donald Trump and stand for

860
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 7: the people of New Jersey and get better results for them.

861
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 7: It's everyone. It's the strong pushback. It's how you have

862
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 7: a strong attorney general. It's how you utilize law enforcement

863
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 7: in your state to keep people safe. It's how you

864
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 7: ensure that you are making sure your state programs are

865
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 7: running as efficiently as possible, so you can show people

866
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 7: effective government in contrast to what's going on. So you know,

867
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Speaker 7: whether it's Josh Shapiro and Wes Moore in handling a

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Speaker 7: crisis like a road collapse or bridge collapse, or whether

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Speaker 7: it's Gavin Newsom and effective communication and pushing back against Strumberg.

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Speaker 7: As you said, whether it's Pritzker or whether it's Gretchen Whitmer,

871
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Speaker 7: just you keeping it brass tax fixing the damn roads

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Speaker 7: again and again and again. It's really all of these

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Speaker 7: strong democratic governors that are the most effective people in

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Speaker 7: our party at pushing back against this. So that's why,

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Speaker 7: again I do think strong effective governors are the ones

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Speaker 7: that are going to be able to do this. And

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Speaker 7: that's why I think this race right here in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five is so seminal, because this is the one

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Speaker 7: statewide competitive race where we can really show what strong

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Speaker 7: democratic leadership and a plan looks like and grow that

881
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Speaker 7: out and set the table then for the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. True. So I read this piece in The Times

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Speaker 1: today about you and ab Gail and Alyssa about your

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Speaker 1: national security background, and how basically I thought it was

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Speaker 1: interesting and also like slightly disturbing that it sort of

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Speaker 1: neutralizes your womanness, right, that it gives voters a little

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Speaker 1: bit of confidence that even though despite your being a woman,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean I say this with air quotes,

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Speaker 1: but also with abject horror. I wonder if you could

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Speaker 1: talk us through that. I mean, look, the reality is

891
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Speaker 1: people just need to win. In my mind, it doesn't matter,

892
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Speaker 1: you know, what the permission structure looks like. There just

893
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Speaker 1: has to be one. But I'm just curious if you

894
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Speaker 1: could talk about that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I've always worked in male dominated spaces from

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Speaker 7: the time I was a teenager, right, That's when I

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Speaker 7: first went to the Naval Academy, which at that time

898
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Speaker 7: was under ten percent women. And then I went into

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Speaker 7: the military, and then I went into big corporate law firm,

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Speaker 7: and you know, and then I went into eventually went

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Speaker 7: into Congress. And I will say that an understanding of that,

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Speaker 7: you know, being comfortable in spaces like that and showing

903
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Speaker 7: success there, I think speaks to certain groups of people.

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Speaker 7: I would say as important or in some cases in

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Speaker 7: running I think for governor.

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Speaker 1: Even more important.

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Speaker 7: To people is the fact that I'm a mom, because

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Speaker 7: I think that speaks to a lot of people about

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Speaker 7: who I fight for and why I'm doing it. So

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Speaker 7: the fact that I have four teenagers, I think people

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Speaker 7: feel a lot of sympathy for me.

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Speaker 3: So that's nice.

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Speaker 1: I only have.

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Speaker 7: Three, so you get it regularly like oh, okay, we

915
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Speaker 7: got to help this lady. But they also get that,

916
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Speaker 7: like my focus is very much on not only the

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Speaker 7: opportunities and the governance that we need today.

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Speaker 1: But I am looking.

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Speaker 7: I've got the long play in mind, right because I

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Speaker 7: want to make sure that New Jersey is a place

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Speaker 7: where my kids can live, where my grandkids can live,

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Speaker 7: so that I can see them.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a grandma. I mean all the stuff.

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Speaker 7: People that New Jersey is a very you know, family

925
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Speaker 7: is really important here where are historically one of the

926
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Speaker 7: states with the most intergenerational family members because people stay close.

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Speaker 7: We care deeply about that. So being a mom is

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Speaker 7: actually really important. But I think having all of these

929
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Speaker 7: different aspects are always helpful in getting that you're really tough,

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Speaker 7: but you also really get it, you get where I'm

931
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Speaker 7: coming from. In fact, being a helicopter pilot, that part

932
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Speaker 7: can be off putting to some people because they're like, oh,

933
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Speaker 7: she might not get me. But then being a mom,

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Speaker 7: they're like, oh, yeah, she gets me. It's kind of

935
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Speaker 7: all the things you're trying to communicate. When I run,

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Speaker 7: I build out really broad coalitions to people. If we're

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Speaker 7: going to get done here in New Jersey, what I

938
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Speaker 7: want to get done, if we're going to make life

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Speaker 7: better for families.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just trying to get you know, a few

941
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Speaker 1: niche people. I'm trying to get the state on.

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Speaker 7: Board with the mission of how we're going to come

943
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Speaker 7: together as a community to take care of each other

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Speaker 7: and get a better future for everyone. And right now

945
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Speaker 7: we are being told from Trump's administration that you know,

946
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Speaker 7: as every man of self and that you know, this

947
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Speaker 7: is this environment of scarcity in the richest country in

948
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Speaker 7: the world, and so everybody's got to get what they

949
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Speaker 7: can get, and other groups and other people should be

950
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Speaker 7: pushed to the side because they're a threat to your success.

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Speaker 7: In New Jersey, that is not the case. I mean,

952
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Speaker 7: we are a state where we thrive because we have

953
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Speaker 7: so much innovation. We have so many different people coming

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Speaker 7: to the table. We have schools that help so many

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Speaker 7: different people succeed that that lifts us all up. We're

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Speaker 7: sort of a when we all do better, we all

957
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Speaker 7: do better state. That's what we're driving in right now.

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Speaker 1: Mikey, Cheryl, thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 7: Well, as always, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: We could use the help.

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Speaker 7: Like I said, we are the competitive race in the

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Speaker 7: cycle now. So if you want a phone bank or

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Speaker 7: text bank, or donate or comeknock doors with us.

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Speaker 1: Please go to mikey Cheryl.

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Speaker 7: Dot com slash volunt here because we would love the support.

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Speaker 1: We're all so far Jesse Kanna, my.

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Speaker 2: Junk fast Tulci Gabbert. Every time I think of her,

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Speaker 2: I think of when mister Trump said, they don't bring

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Speaker 2: us their best. That's all I can think of.

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Speaker 1: Is her? Not all two colored hair? Not all two

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Speaker 1: colored hair.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that you have a brand to go

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Speaker 2: over a lap with her.

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Speaker 1: I have a branding overlap with her. Look, the hair

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Speaker 1: is good, everything else is bad. She is the Director

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Speaker 1: of National Intelligence, or in this case, Director of National stupid.

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Speaker 2: The ironically named Director of National Intelligence.

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Speaker 1: So the Wall Street General reports that, I mean, this

979
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Speaker 1: is so insane. She revealed the identity of an undercover officer.

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Speaker 1: She made a stupid mistake. A smart director of National

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Speaker 1: Intelligence would have consulted with the CIA. He put the

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Speaker 1: CIA cover procedures at risk, could put relationships with foreign governments.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have anymore. That was a risk.

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Speaker 1: She has been in this month long campaign to make

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Speaker 1: Trump love her again. The most important point of this

986
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Speaker 1: very very, very very stupid story is that they're never ever, ever, ever,

987
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Speaker 1: ever ever playing three dimensional chess. That's it for this

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