WEBVTT - Part Three: How Jeffrey Epstein Helped Build the Modern World 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:11.119 Also media, Welcome back to the Jeffrey Epstein podcast Extravaganza, 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.720 also known on normal weeks as Behind the Bastards of 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:19.040 podcasts about bad people. For the last two weeks, that's 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.680 meant Jeffrey Epstein, particularly getting into what the new Epstein 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.240 File releases have revealed about how Jeffrey Epstein helped build 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.639 the modern world. Speaking of the modern world, our guest 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.560 today is a part of it, Andrew T. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.720 Thanks thanks for having me. I Ah, yeah, I guess 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.760 I would say part of the modern world under protest 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.400 at this point. Yeah, under protest. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:44.120 Isn't everyone? 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.760 Aren't we all under protest? I'm only here I have 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.880 to be. Yeah. Yeah. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.600 The only part of the modern world I want to 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.159 anything to do with is my bed, and they make 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.240 me leave that for like sixteen hours a day. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.880 It's nuts, you know what though, Being one of those 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.640 I hate the modern world guys, I do want to 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.080 stress not one of those. It was better in Rome. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.800 What happened to classical architecture. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.959 I would have hated that too. Anything where I have 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.639 to get out of my bed. Bad society bad only 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.560 we need to Yeah, we need to rebuild society and 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.400 direly around naps that That is my strong opinion. Unfortunately, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.560 I think Jeffrey Epstein might have agreed with it, at 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:26.200 least for himself, because he liked to well, there wasn't 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.480 a lot of sleep. Yeah, anyway, Andrew, where can people 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:29.880 find you on. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.280 The internet before we can do? Oh god, thanks thanks 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.480 for letting me get it in before the fucking real 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:35.440 crimes start. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:37.759 Yeah, the real crimes too. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:43.640 Yeah, I don't know, Andrew t everywhere. I have doing 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.319 a podcast called Starter Trek on subop dot com. My 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.440 main podcast is jos Us Racist, but we've been having 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.600 a lot of fun doing talking Star Trek with my 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.480 co host Tony Newso. Who is I don't know if 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.000 you I love that stuff. If your star spoiler alert people, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:03.800 but she's a beloved reveal happens in episode five of 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.240 Starfleet Academies. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.440 Yeah, the new star Trek. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.440 Yeah, I don't know. Star Trek is happening. That's all. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.160 Well, that's a good thing to be happening. We love 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.679 Star Trek almost as much as we love the opposite 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.280 of Star Trek, which is about hearing about a wealthy pedophile. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.400 This yeah yeah, well, also wealthy technocrat. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.959 A wealthy technocrat pedophile. Yes, exactly, the sort of person 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.640 Star Trek got rid of in the in the The 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:36.120 Idealized Future Injeene Roddenberry's Beautiful Dream No More. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.880 Because of literally this, this. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.440 And in modern times. We're recording these episodes on the 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.280 day that Glene Maxwell's lawyer has said that she will 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.240 not talk unless she's given clemency. But if given clemency, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.360 she can prove that both Donald J. Trump and Bill 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.160 Clinton are innocent. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.880 So that's that's cool. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.200 It's tough for me because I hate that stuff, but 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.160 I also love people pleading the Fifth. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.000 I'm a big fan. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.760 I'm a big fifth man. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.840 It's tough, it's tough. These are these are the times 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:13.800 that try men's souls. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.280 But I have to say I have questions. 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.880 Question it's the best. It's the best amendment easily, Yeah, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:21.679 the fifth. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.680 I'm surprised she didn't at this point, you're just pinting 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.640 it on a dead man, right like this is this 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.360 is exactly we be eating up murders once he's in 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.880 for life. Yeah, I mean, we'll. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.400 See how it goes. But I have some theories that 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.040 you know, Yeah. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.000 I mean, I don't anything could happen at this point, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.400 we're not talking a lot about Gillen in these episodes 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.080 just because they're more focused on Jeffrey and the nature 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.360 of his communication. We're not talking really a lot about 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.480 the sex stuff in this episode because it's more about 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.600 all of the different I mean, we're talking about it 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.000 to the extent that that's part of how he influenced people. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.640 We're talking about like what stuff Jeffrey came to believe 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.200 and how he tried to shift the world you using 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:10.520 his position of considerable cultural influence. So in May of 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.600 twenty thirteen, Jeffrey Epstein was actively working through an intermediary 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.800 to broker and in person meeting with the most Obviously 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.479 it's a match made in heaven, Russian President Vladimir Putin. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.559 And obviously, if you're jeff Epstein in twenty thirteen trying 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.120 to get an in person sit down with Vladi Puts, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:29.839 what are your wanting to talk about? 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.040 Bitcoin? Of course, what. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.520 Else could you want to talk about Vladimir Putin. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:36.120 With but bitcoin? 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:43.640 In twenty thirteen, his intermediary in these conversations was thorbiorn Yaglund, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.720 who is a Norwegian Labor Party politician and the former 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.000 Prime minister of Norway. He has been he is not 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.719 doing well as a result of the revelation that he 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.599 and Epstein were quite close. People are very unhappy with 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:56.560 him over in Norway. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:04.320 God's weird, like imaginal Leader facing a consequence for his 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.200 association with Weird Yeah. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.400 Yeah, for specifically trying to broker a meeting with that 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.240 pedophile in Vladimir Putin. And it's it's weird because you 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.000 can tell Epstein took this really seriously. This is a 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.800 guy who kind of seems to have, i mean slept 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.800 through a lot of the serious parts of his life. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.120 When he's emailing with most of his rich and famous friends, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.359 he spells fucking every other word wrong. It's like watching 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.040 I mean, it's like a nine year old typing right 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.560 like it's it's he's not dedicated to sounding. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.320 Good righting like bad AOL and messenger messages like it's 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:41.120 giving AOL. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:42.160 Yeah. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.080 And so, as we talked about in the last episodes, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.320 whenever Jeffrey like has a long, multi paragraph email where 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.039 everything's basically spelled right and written properly, you are like, oh, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.359 he was taking this, this was important to him, Like 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.200 he was this was an all hands on deck situation right. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.359 And so one of these emails that Jeffrey sends to 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.400 the former PM of Norway about trying to meet with 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.039 Putin is one of these times where he writes a 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.880 long email with pretty good spelling and grammar. So we 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.279 must have typed this one out somewhere other than his iPad. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.760 Here's a segment from that email. This is his pitch 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.960 to this guy. When this is his pitch to this 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.400 guy to deliver to Putin right. This is how he's 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.600 basically trying to convince Putin he's got to get into 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.200 the bitcoin game. When Spudnik was announced, the West was 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.040 caught flat footed. The same can now happen with Russia 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.640 taking the lead in finance. Instead of competing with the 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.200 West for nanotech copying Silicon Valley looking for startups playing 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.400 ketchup to Microsoft, Apple, Google and the like, Russia can 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.640 get out in front and leap frog the global community 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:44.000 by reinventing the financial system of the twenty first century Bitcoin. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.520 Who is the spotnik of the twenty first century? 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.839 I genuinely have to say it is a little heartening 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:55.080 slash disheartening that these people genuinely believe they're bullshit, like 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.960 this was a private conversation. He rightly. I'm just yeah, 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.920 I on some level just wish that Bitcoin people in private, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.800 when the billionaires are talking to each other, like, oh, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.280 this is going to be great for money laundering and 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.680 like whatever it's actually used for. It is a little 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.840 insane to hear him like typing like a like a 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.200 like a Twitter person right now. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.280 And it's hard to say because like one of the 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.720 versions of the story is that Epstein was one of 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.360 the marks, right that the bitcoin people were willing to 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.440 talk to him and be friends with him, primarily even 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:34.080 more than the prostitutions to the child like sex trafficking stuff, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.160 because Jeffrey could connect him to a lot of people 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.120 with real money to put into the bitcoin system. And 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.200 maybe they never maybe they were just playing with Jeffrey, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.400 and maybe he was a fool, or maybe Jeffrey knows, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.040 maybe he's in on the con And the idea is 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.360 if Russia back, if Russia gets a bitcoin reserve, a 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.320 shitload of their real currency can flow out to the 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.680 people like us who have money and crypto, and we 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.400 can get real money out of the create Like I 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:57.920 don't know what the plan was. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.600 And also like trying to talk to poo like an 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.440 actual bitcoin mark is is that's so too smart? 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.120 Yet he's way too smart for that, Like he's not. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.920 Vladimir Putin is not an idiot. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:13.320 He's not. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.840 He's made his plenty of mistakes, but none of them 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.960 are like and then he adopted bitcoin. It's the currency 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.680 for the Russian Federation. That's a little like, that's just 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.480 there's no benefit in that to him, like it would 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:27.880 only benefit these It's. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.880 Always one D chess, it's one d, Like these people 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:35.160 are not smarter than you, they're actively dumber than you. Yes, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.240 and that's hang on to that. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.800 Yeah, hang onto it and celebrate it. And it's also 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.000 funny to me just the idea that like Sputnik, was 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.120 the Soviet Union succeeding and doing a thing that honestly, 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.760 before they did it was debated by a number of people, 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.240 like can we even do stuff like this? Like is 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.319 this fully possible? Can you get a working satellite into orbit? 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.680 There was like debate for quite a while as to 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.520 help possible that was, and then they figure it out 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.440 like ahead of us, and it's this amazing moment for 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.920 all mankind. They prove you can do this thing that 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.120 hadn't been done before, and the difference with it and saying, yeah, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.800 this thing that we are already doing, if you just 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.120 rip it off, you'll be doing the Sputnik of the 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:18.920 twenty which really says a lot about the twenty first 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.440 century that like our sputnik is ripping off a thing 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.520 that doesn't do anything and already exists. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.120 Like amazing stuff. Jeffrey, if you have the bold vision 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.600 to creator your economy and the global economy, you will 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:32.520 be the first to do. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.600 You can do it, You can do it. Yeah, no 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.240 one else has made bitcoin their national currency yet because 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.720 it's a bad idea. Epstein goes on to claim that 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.080 crypto offers the potential for a much more advanced, disruptive 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.439 securitization scheme than anything previously achievable, and that Russia was 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.280 in a unique position to execute on a grand vision 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.760 of a new form of money. He insists that Thorbiorn 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.280 needs to secure him and putin a minimum two to 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.080 three hour long meeting to discuss all of this. I 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.560 find that's so funny that he's like begging to set 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.800 up this meeting with Vladimir Putin, who has no interest 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.679 in him at least no interest in meeting with him. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.680 It doesn't seem like, uh, you know, maybe he was 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.160 utilizing him as an asset. There's some evidence of that, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.640 but that also doesn't mean Putin himself was directly involved 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.720 because he's got other shit in his plate. The idea 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.120 that that Jeffrey's begging for this meeting is but it 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.560 has to be at least two or three hours. I 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.680 won't sit down for anything less. It's like, man, if 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.839 if you can get you twenty minutes with Putin, you'd 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:26.520 be happy for it. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:26.760 Don't. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.760 Don't fucking bullshit like me. And Putin's showing better judgment 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.840 than anyone else in these four episodes declined to meet 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.320 with Jeffrey Epstein at least as far as we know. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.040 Wow, well, I at. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.120 Least big smart enough to not agree to it on 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.480 fucking email put him in an email, right, Yeah, Wise, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.600 he's at least ahead of everyone. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:57.839 He's he's beating Bobby Kotik of Activision, Blizzard, and Peter Deal, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:58.600 that's for sure. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:10:59.560 Yeah. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.679 So this this Dallian's Jeffrey has was trying to get 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.680 Russia on the bitcoin train, is not influential because of 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.440 the outcome. Because nothing really happens here, but it's important 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.760 because of what it says about where Jeff's head was 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.520 in twenty thirteen. By this point, whether or not. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.520 Huggins Jeff, I don't like you. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.920 I don't like you calling him Jeff, it's like too 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.800 humanizing to call him Jeff. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.040 Yeah. I do it every now and then, Jeff Jeffeye, no, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.240 little Jeff Rue Nope. So by twenty thirteen, whether or 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.960 not he'd ever read Dugan's work, he was basically pitching 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.400 Putin on bitcoin's potential to contribute to a multipolar world 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.080 by ending US economic dominance. And emails he sent around 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.000 the same time to billionaire Richard Branson, Epstein pitched his 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.720 vague idea for what he called a new social good 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:51.360 currency quote. Creating a new social good currency similar to 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.520 the creation of airline mile awards, special drawing rights, et cetera, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.320 would be the most disruptive of all advances. The financial 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.920 system has outgrown its purpose allowing people to conduct exchange 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.040 with third party trust and ease of transaction. So what 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.240 you kind of see is there's this budding interest Jeffrey 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.960 has to disrupt the global order, which is a different 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.840 picture of the man than I had when he just 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.120 seemed to be this guy who was very deeply tied 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:20.040 to the elite system and seem to really have all 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.559 of his power tied to the maintenance of that system, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.679 as opposed to a guy who after he gets out 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.960 of prison clearly wants to burn stuff down to some extent, right, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.000 in a way that's very familiar with how a lot 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.160 of wright coded people talk today, a lot of these 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:34.440 influential folks like Bannon. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.040 Yeah, I mean yes and no, though, because they don't 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.360 really mean burning it down, like. 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.840 Well, they mean burn the fed US democracy, that kind 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.240 of stuff. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:46.480 Right. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.400 They want to disrupt the system they rose up in. Right, 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.839 They don't want it to keep working the way it has. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.520 Right, but they wanted to They want society to look largely, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.120 they wanted to look more like Russia, which is like, yeah, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.959 they're in charge, but it's basically the same society. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.240 And I think he's so weird. Yeah, I think you 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.920 can see a lot of that here in that. Okay, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.000 So he goes to prison for a thing that if 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.120 you were a Russian oligarch who stays in good with Putin, 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.040 you don't go to prison for the stuff Jeffrey Epstein 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.480 was doing. Right, So maybe that's kind of it as 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.080 he's like, well, we ought to be more like we 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.720 need to be more of an oligarchy, of a dictatorial oligarchy, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.120 because then people me and other people like me won't 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.160 have consequences to deal with. Right, Maybe that's why he's like, 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.560 that's how he's thinking. You know, so Richard Branson and 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.720 Epstein are two more. That's another famed Epstein friendship, right, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.720 and his close relationship with Branson was a two way street. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.520 And a little later that same year, twenty thirteen, Branson 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.440 offered Epstein advice on fixing his public image after the 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.280 whole registered sex offender thing. He assured Epstein that he 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.199 could repair Jeffrey's public profile if Epstein could just get 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.080 Bill Gates to vouch for him. And this is Branson 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.719 saying like, basically, this is what you need to get 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.600 Bill Gates to say about you to fix your image. Quote, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.760 you've been a brilliant advisor to him that you slipped 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.760 up many years ago by sleeping with a seventeen and 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.559 a half year old woman and we're punished for it. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.600 That you've more than learned your lesson and have done 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.480 nothing that's against the law since right, if only Bill 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.160 Gates would say but can you imagine if Bill Gates 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.760 and twenty fourteen or so had come up in like, look, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.840 did Jeffrey Epstein sleep with a child? Yes, but he's 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.200 learned his lesson and we all need to forgive him, 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:24.560 none of this would be happening. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:32.360 God, I mean, all these men are sucking, disgusting. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.960 They're disgusting. It's not just disgusting, it's completely out of touch. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.720 The fact that Richard Branson it shows you how warping 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.040 the bubble of nothing but other rich guys is that 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.520 Richard Branson is like, who's someone who all Americans love 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:54.800 in respect love Bill Gates? Obvious everyone loves Bill. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:15:01.000 No, we don't. We never did. I guess it's just 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.080 like get get the nerd to tell to tell everyone 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:09.160 you're you're not committing crimes? Is yeah, And there he's 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.560 the squarest one around, right Bill, Bill Gates, you know, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:18.040 a straight shooter. So on a related note, that same year, 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.560 twenty thirteen, this's a big year for Branson and Epstein. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.360 Richard Branson reversed the normal order of things, and he's 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.440 this is the only time I found this happening, although 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.720 I haven't been through all of the millions of files released, 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.240 But Branson invited Epstein to his private island. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.360 You know, there we go. Finally somebody's willing to pay 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.640 Jeff back for his hospitality, you know. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.080 I mean, look, Branton's Island can't be I guess at 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.680 the risk of it can't be that good. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:47.320 I don't know. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.640 I don't know. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.560 I would have said before this, I would have guessed 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.800 it had it was like a higher age bracket of 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.360 the yeah people. But I don't actually know that that's 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:04.080 true now, So, yeah, is this just like the fucking 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.760 cheap version of Epstein's Island? Or is Epstein's Island the 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.000 cheap pedophile island? 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.320 Right? That's also possible. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.520 We simply don't know. Maybe the really good pedophile islands 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:19.200 don't tell have emails where they talk about yeah. So 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.200 Branson added to the invite anytime you're in the area, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.120 would love to see you, as long as you bring 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.680 your harem and all, and with a exclamation point after it, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:34.080 So I would say that implicates email. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.120 Now. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.320 My favorite thing about this, my favorite thing about all 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.520 this is the denials all these people have to have 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.240 their spokespeople issue after this shit comes out and once 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.560 this email people start talking about it. Oh, Branson's referring 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.160 to his harem and inviting him to his island. I 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.840 guess he's probably doing some sex crimes. Branson spokesperson told 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.320 journalists with The Independent that no, no, on the harem 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.160 he was referring to, We're just adult members of Epstein's staff. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:06.080 Obviously Jesus obviously. Yeah, who were they? 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:07.720 Yeah? 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:08.280 Not named? 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.000 Not named? 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:15.520 Which ones kill your name? So the worst? Again? Does 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.960 this mean that Jeffrey was just bringing bringing children over 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.560 when Branson was there? Was he was Branson one of 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.679 the ones that he played with teenage girls? Or was 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.240 Branson one of the ones that he plaied with adult women? 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:27.480 Right? No way to know. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.120 And honestly, I don't care if you're Jeffrey Epstein's friend 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.520 at this point, in inviting him to islands, I consider 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.199 you guilty of everything he was. You know, Yeah, I 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.680 think that's reasonable if you're going to islands with him, right, yeah, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.359 on a regular basis, If you're inviting him to islands 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:44.960 and talking about his arm, if. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:51.040 You're advising Bill Gates to be his like, no pedophile spokesperson. Yeah, 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.120 then I'm yeah, I'm gonna go with. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:56.399 The I'm gonna say no. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:57.880 I'm gonna go not a great guy. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.680 Yeah, just the almost frat house shit. It's always it's 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.240 never better than that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now that's. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.680 When it comes to question of like, well, why aren't 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.000 these guys getting charged, Well, because all you have is 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.840 Branson saying bring your harem, and that's not Branson didn't 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.240 say bring specifically the underage members. I don't want anyone 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.760 older than Sie. That's not in an email, right, So 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.560 there's not I don't think there's anything to charge Branson 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.480 off of at this point. Maybe there will be, maybe 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.119 there's more stuff that we don't know. I'm not against it. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.520 I'm just like, yeah, I'm not surprised a lot of 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.440 these guys aren't getting charged yet, because that's not quite enough, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:39.360 you know, to actually convict someone. The worst harms Epstein 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.960 committed and the worst crimes his friends are implicated and 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.120 took place offline. The conversations we have documented are mostly 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.120 either precursors or adjacent to the really bad stuff. Every 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.040 now and then you get something truly fucking horrifying, like 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.560 there's an email chain in which one of Epstein's friends 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.960 is like, hey, who is that gynecologist you sent your 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.240 victims to? And Epstein like gives him the name of 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.240 a gynecology and they're like, yeah, you really keep this 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.960 guy busy, right, Like there's some horrifying shit like that 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.960 in there, but for the most part, it's like quips 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.439 like this, bring your harem. And then like one interesting 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.280 thing to do on the Epstein files is search for 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.439 variants of like not for email or like not for 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.520 online right where, because there will be points where people 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:19.840 will be made and then they'll be like, hey, let's 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:20.680 take this to a phone call. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:20.920 Right. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.720 So it's just hard to kind of say what the 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.440 exact extent of a lot of stuff was, And because 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.160 so many follow up conversations that he had not even 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.600 about the criminal stuff, but about stuff like crypto, took 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.159 place in person or over the phone, And so I 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.440 can say he was trying to influence the development of 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.240 bitcoin and crypto he wanted, and he got that influence. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.560 What did he do with it not entirely clear to me. 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.119 What I can say is that Joey Edo and Epstein's 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.560 friendship continued to blossom throughout the aughts, and this was 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.399 Remember Itto is a big wigged MIT. He's basically like 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.040 running the lab that's doing like their crypto development, looking 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.520 at a lot of stuff like that. And he's the 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.600 guy who Jeffrey to pay the salaries of those three 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.400 big bitcoin debts. And this is the friendship between Itto 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.800