Speaker 1: Also media, Welcome back to the Jeffrey Epstein podcast Extravaganza,
Speaker 1: also known on normal weeks as Behind the Bastards of
Speaker 1: podcasts about bad people. For the last two weeks, that's
Speaker 1: meant Jeffrey Epstein, particularly getting into what the new Epstein
Speaker 1: File releases have revealed about how Jeffrey Epstein helped build
Speaker 1: the modern world. Speaking of the modern world, our guest
Speaker 1: today is a part of it, Andrew T.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for having me. I Ah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: I would say part of the modern world under protest
Speaker 2: at this point. Yeah, under protest.
Speaker 1: Isn't everyone?
Speaker 2: Aren't we all under protest? I'm only here I have
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only part of the modern world I want to
Speaker 1: anything to do with is my bed, and they make
Speaker 1: me leave that for like sixteen hours a day.
Speaker 2: It's nuts, you know what though, Being one of those
Speaker 2: I hate the modern world guys, I do want to
Speaker 2: stress not one of those. It was better in Rome.
Speaker 2: What happened to classical architecture.
Speaker 1: I would have hated that too. Anything where I have
Speaker 1: to get out of my bed. Bad society bad only
Speaker 1: we need to Yeah, we need to rebuild society and
Speaker 1: direly around naps that That is my strong opinion. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I think Jeffrey Epstein might have agreed with it, at
Speaker 1: least for himself, because he liked to well, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of sleep. Yeah, anyway, Andrew, where can people
Speaker 1: find you on.
Speaker 2: The internet before we can do? Oh god, thanks thanks
Speaker 2: for letting me get it in before the fucking real
Speaker 2: crimes start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the real crimes too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Andrew t everywhere. I have doing
Speaker 2: a podcast called Starter Trek on subop dot com. My
Speaker 2: main podcast is jos Us Racist, but we've been having
Speaker 2: a lot of fun doing talking Star Trek with my
Speaker 2: co host Tony Newso. Who is I don't know if
Speaker 2: you I love that stuff. If your star spoiler alert people,
Speaker 2: but she's a beloved reveal happens in episode five of
Speaker 2: Starfleet Academies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new star Trek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Star Trek is happening. That's all.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good thing to be happening. We love
Speaker 1: Star Trek almost as much as we love the opposite
Speaker 1: of Star Trek, which is about hearing about a wealthy pedophile.
Speaker 3: This yeah yeah, well, also wealthy technocrat.
Speaker 1: A wealthy technocrat pedophile. Yes, exactly, the sort of person
Speaker 1: Star Trek got rid of in the in the The
Speaker 1: Idealized Future Injeene Roddenberry's Beautiful Dream No More.
Speaker 2: Because of literally this, this.
Speaker 4: And in modern times. We're recording these episodes on the
Speaker 4: day that Glene Maxwell's lawyer has said that she will
Speaker 4: not talk unless she's given clemency. But if given clemency,
Speaker 4: she can prove that both Donald J. Trump and Bill
Speaker 4: Clinton are innocent.
Speaker 5: So that's that's cool.
Speaker 1: It's tough for me because I hate that stuff, but
Speaker 1: I also love people pleading the Fifth.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan.
Speaker 5: I'm a big fifth man.
Speaker 1: It's tough, it's tough. These are these are the times
Speaker 1: that try men's souls.
Speaker 5: But I have to say I have questions.
Speaker 1: Question it's the best. It's the best amendment easily, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fifth.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised she didn't at this point, you're just pinting
Speaker 2: it on a dead man, right like this is this
Speaker 2: is exactly we be eating up murders once he's in
Speaker 2: for life. Yeah, I mean, we'll.
Speaker 5: See how it goes. But I have some theories that
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't anything could happen at this point,
Speaker 1: we're not talking a lot about Gillen in these episodes
Speaker 1: just because they're more focused on Jeffrey and the nature
Speaker 1: of his communication. We're not talking really a lot about
Speaker 1: the sex stuff in this episode because it's more about
Speaker 1: all of the different I mean, we're talking about it
Speaker 1: to the extent that that's part of how he influenced people.
Speaker 1: We're talking about like what stuff Jeffrey came to believe
Speaker 1: and how he tried to shift the world you using
Speaker 1: his position of considerable cultural influence. So in May of
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, Jeffrey Epstein was actively working through an intermediary
Speaker 1: to broker and in person meeting with the most Obviously
Speaker 1: it's a match made in heaven, Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 1: And obviously, if you're jeff Epstein in twenty thirteen trying
Speaker 1: to get an in person sit down with Vladi Puts,
Speaker 1: what are your wanting to talk about?
Speaker 2: Bitcoin? Of course, what.
Speaker 1: Else could you want to talk about Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 2: With but bitcoin?
Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen, his intermediary in these conversations was thorbiorn Yaglund,
Speaker 1: who is a Norwegian Labor Party politician and the former
Speaker 1: Prime minister of Norway. He has been he is not
Speaker 1: doing well as a result of the revelation that he
Speaker 1: and Epstein were quite close. People are very unhappy with
Speaker 1: him over in Norway.
Speaker 2: God's weird, like imaginal Leader facing a consequence for his
Speaker 2: association with Weird Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for specifically trying to broker a meeting with that
Speaker 1: pedophile in Vladimir Putin. And it's it's weird because you
Speaker 1: can tell Epstein took this really seriously. This is a
Speaker 1: guy who kind of seems to have, i mean slept
Speaker 1: through a lot of the serious parts of his life.
Speaker 1: When he's emailing with most of his rich and famous friends,
Speaker 1: he spells fucking every other word wrong. It's like watching
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a nine year old typing right
Speaker 1: like it's it's he's not dedicated to sounding.
Speaker 4: Good righting like bad AOL and messenger messages like it's
Speaker 4: giving AOL.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so, as we talked about in the last episodes,
Speaker 1: whenever Jeffrey like has a long, multi paragraph email where
Speaker 1: everything's basically spelled right and written properly, you are like, oh,
Speaker 1: he was taking this, this was important to him, Like
Speaker 1: he was this was an all hands on deck situation right.
Speaker 1: And so one of these emails that Jeffrey sends to
Speaker 1: the former PM of Norway about trying to meet with
Speaker 1: Putin is one of these times where he writes a
Speaker 1: long email with pretty good spelling and grammar. So we
Speaker 1: must have typed this one out somewhere other than his iPad.
Speaker 1: Here's a segment from that email. This is his pitch
Speaker 1: to this guy. When this is his pitch to this
Speaker 1: guy to deliver to Putin right. This is how he's
Speaker 1: basically trying to convince Putin he's got to get into
Speaker 1: the bitcoin game. When Spudnik was announced, the West was
Speaker 1: caught flat footed. The same can now happen with Russia
Speaker 1: taking the lead in finance. Instead of competing with the
Speaker 1: West for nanotech copying Silicon Valley looking for startups playing
Speaker 1: ketchup to Microsoft, Apple, Google and the like, Russia can
Speaker 1: get out in front and leap frog the global community
Speaker 1: by reinventing the financial system of the twenty first century Bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Who is the spotnik of the twenty first century?
Speaker 2: I genuinely have to say it is a little heartening
Speaker 2: slash disheartening that these people genuinely believe they're bullshit, like
Speaker 2: this was a private conversation. He rightly. I'm just yeah,
Speaker 2: I on some level just wish that Bitcoin people in private,
Speaker 2: when the billionaires are talking to each other, like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to be great for money laundering and
Speaker 2: like whatever it's actually used for. It is a little
Speaker 2: insane to hear him like typing like a like a
Speaker 2: like a Twitter person right now.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to say because like one of the
Speaker 1: versions of the story is that Epstein was one of
Speaker 1: the marks, right that the bitcoin people were willing to
Speaker 1: talk to him and be friends with him, primarily even
Speaker 1: more than the prostitutions to the child like sex trafficking stuff,
Speaker 1: because Jeffrey could connect him to a lot of people
Speaker 1: with real money to put into the bitcoin system. And
Speaker 1: maybe they never maybe they were just playing with Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: and maybe he was a fool, or maybe Jeffrey knows,
Speaker 1: maybe he's in on the con And the idea is
Speaker 1: if Russia back, if Russia gets a bitcoin reserve, a
Speaker 1: shitload of their real currency can flow out to the
Speaker 1: people like us who have money and crypto, and we
Speaker 1: can get real money out of the create Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what the plan was.
Speaker 2: And also like trying to talk to poo like an
Speaker 2: actual bitcoin mark is is that's so too smart?
Speaker 1: Yet he's way too smart for that, Like he's not.
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is not an idiot.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 1: He's made his plenty of mistakes, but none of them
Speaker 1: are like and then he adopted bitcoin. It's the currency
Speaker 1: for the Russian Federation. That's a little like, that's just
Speaker 1: there's no benefit in that to him, like it would
Speaker 1: only benefit these It's.
Speaker 2: Always one D chess, it's one d, Like these people
Speaker 2: are not smarter than you, they're actively dumber than you. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that's hang on to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hang onto it and celebrate it. And it's also
Speaker 1: funny to me just the idea that like Sputnik, was
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union succeeding and doing a thing that honestly,
Speaker 1: before they did it was debated by a number of people,
Speaker 1: like can we even do stuff like this? Like is
Speaker 1: this fully possible? Can you get a working satellite into orbit?
Speaker 1: There was like debate for quite a while as to
Speaker 1: help possible that was, and then they figure it out
Speaker 1: like ahead of us, and it's this amazing moment for
Speaker 1: all mankind. They prove you can do this thing that
Speaker 1: hadn't been done before, and the difference with it and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: this thing that we are already doing, if you just
Speaker 1: rip it off, you'll be doing the Sputnik of the
Speaker 1: twenty which really says a lot about the twenty first
Speaker 1: century that like our sputnik is ripping off a thing
Speaker 1: that doesn't do anything and already exists.
Speaker 2: Like amazing stuff. Jeffrey, if you have the bold vision
Speaker 2: to creator your economy and the global economy, you will
Speaker 2: be the first to do.
Speaker 1: You can do it, You can do it. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: one else has made bitcoin their national currency yet because
Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. Epstein goes on to claim that
Speaker 1: crypto offers the potential for a much more advanced, disruptive
Speaker 1: securitization scheme than anything previously achievable, and that Russia was
Speaker 1: in a unique position to execute on a grand vision
Speaker 1: of a new form of money. He insists that Thorbiorn
Speaker 1: needs to secure him and putin a minimum two to
Speaker 1: three hour long meeting to discuss all of this. I
Speaker 1: find that's so funny that he's like begging to set
Speaker 1: up this meeting with Vladimir Putin, who has no interest
Speaker 1: in him at least no interest in meeting with him.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like, uh, you know, maybe he was
Speaker 1: utilizing him as an asset. There's some evidence of that,
Speaker 1: but that also doesn't mean Putin himself was directly involved
Speaker 1: because he's got other shit in his plate. The idea
Speaker 1: that that Jeffrey's begging for this meeting is but it
Speaker 1: has to be at least two or three hours. I
Speaker 1: won't sit down for anything less. It's like, man, if
Speaker 1: if you can get you twenty minutes with Putin, you'd
Speaker 1: be happy for it.
Speaker 2: Don't.
Speaker 1: Don't fucking bullshit like me. And Putin's showing better judgment
Speaker 1: than anyone else in these four episodes declined to meet
Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein at least as far as we know.
Speaker 5: Wow, well, I at.
Speaker 2: Least big smart enough to not agree to it on
Speaker 2: fucking email put him in an email, right, Yeah, Wise,
Speaker 2: he's at least ahead of everyone.
Speaker 1: He's he's beating Bobby Kotik of Activision, Blizzard, and Peter Deal,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this this Dallian's Jeffrey has was trying to get
Speaker 1: Russia on the bitcoin train, is not influential because of
Speaker 1: the outcome. Because nothing really happens here, but it's important
Speaker 1: because of what it says about where Jeff's head was
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. By this point, whether or not.
Speaker 5: Huggins Jeff, I don't like you.
Speaker 4: I don't like you calling him Jeff, it's like too
Speaker 4: humanizing to call him Jeff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do it every now and then, Jeff Jeffeye, no,
Speaker 1: little Jeff Rue Nope. So by twenty thirteen, whether or
Speaker 1: not he'd ever read Dugan's work, he was basically pitching
Speaker 1: Putin on bitcoin's potential to contribute to a multipolar world
Speaker 1: by ending US economic dominance. And emails he sent around
Speaker 1: the same time to billionaire Richard Branson, Epstein pitched his
Speaker 1: vague idea for what he called a new social good
Speaker 1: currency quote. Creating a new social good currency similar to
Speaker 1: the creation of airline mile awards, special drawing rights, et cetera,
Speaker 1: would be the most disruptive of all advances. The financial
Speaker 1: system has outgrown its purpose allowing people to conduct exchange
Speaker 1: with third party trust and ease of transaction. So what
Speaker 1: you kind of see is there's this budding interest Jeffrey
Speaker 1: has to disrupt the global order, which is a different
Speaker 1: picture of the man than I had when he just
Speaker 1: seemed to be this guy who was very deeply tied
Speaker 1: to the elite system and seem to really have all
Speaker 1: of his power tied to the maintenance of that system,
Speaker 1: as opposed to a guy who after he gets out
Speaker 1: of prison clearly wants to burn stuff down to some extent, right,
Speaker 1: in a way that's very familiar with how a lot
Speaker 1: of wright coded people talk today, a lot of these
Speaker 1: influential folks like Bannon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yes and no, though, because they don't
Speaker 2: really mean burning it down, like.
Speaker 1: Well, they mean burn the fed US democracy, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They want to disrupt the system they rose up in. Right,
Speaker 1: They don't want it to keep working the way it has.
Speaker 2: Right, but they wanted to They want society to look largely,
Speaker 2: they wanted to look more like Russia, which is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're in charge, but it's basically the same society.
Speaker 1: And I think he's so weird. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: can see a lot of that here in that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he goes to prison for a thing that if
Speaker 1: you were a Russian oligarch who stays in good with Putin,
Speaker 1: you don't go to prison for the stuff Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: was doing. Right, So maybe that's kind of it as
Speaker 1: he's like, well, we ought to be more like we
Speaker 1: need to be more of an oligarchy, of a dictatorial oligarchy,
Speaker 1: because then people me and other people like me won't
Speaker 1: have consequences to deal with. Right, Maybe that's why he's like,
Speaker 1: that's how he's thinking. You know, so Richard Branson and
Speaker 1: Epstein are two more. That's another famed Epstein friendship, right,
Speaker 1: and his close relationship with Branson was a two way street.
Speaker 1: And a little later that same year, twenty thirteen, Branson
Speaker 1: offered Epstein advice on fixing his public image after the
Speaker 1: whole registered sex offender thing. He assured Epstein that he
Speaker 1: could repair Jeffrey's public profile if Epstein could just get
Speaker 1: Bill Gates to vouch for him. And this is Branson
Speaker 1: saying like, basically, this is what you need to get
Speaker 1: Bill Gates to say about you to fix your image. Quote,
Speaker 1: you've been a brilliant advisor to him that you slipped
Speaker 1: up many years ago by sleeping with a seventeen and
Speaker 1: a half year old woman and we're punished for it.
Speaker 1: That you've more than learned your lesson and have done
Speaker 1: nothing that's against the law since right, if only Bill
Speaker 1: Gates would say but can you imagine if Bill Gates
Speaker 1: and twenty fourteen or so had come up in like, look,
Speaker 1: did Jeffrey Epstein sleep with a child? Yes, but he's
Speaker 1: learned his lesson and we all need to forgive him,
Speaker 1: none of this would be happening.
Speaker 5: God, I mean, all these men are sucking, disgusting.
Speaker 1: They're disgusting. It's not just disgusting, it's completely out of touch.
Speaker 1: The fact that Richard Branson it shows you how warping
Speaker 1: the bubble of nothing but other rich guys is that
Speaker 1: Richard Branson is like, who's someone who all Americans love
Speaker 1: in respect love Bill Gates? Obvious everyone loves Bill.
Speaker 2: No, we don't. We never did. I guess it's just
Speaker 2: like get get the nerd to tell to tell everyone
Speaker 2: you're you're not committing crimes? Is yeah, And there he's
Speaker 2: the squarest one around, right Bill, Bill Gates, you know,
Speaker 2: a straight shooter. So on a related note, that same year,
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, this's a big year for Branson and Epstein.
Speaker 2: Richard Branson reversed the normal order of things, and he's
Speaker 2: this is the only time I found this happening, although
Speaker 2: I haven't been through all of the millions of files released,
Speaker 2: But Branson invited Epstein to his private island.
Speaker 1: You know, there we go. Finally somebody's willing to pay
Speaker 1: Jeff back for his hospitality, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Branton's Island can't be I guess at
Speaker 2: the risk of it can't be that good.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would have said before this, I would have guessed
Speaker 1: it had it was like a higher age bracket of
Speaker 1: the yeah people. But I don't actually know that that's
Speaker 1: true now, So, yeah, is this just like the fucking
Speaker 1: cheap version of Epstein's Island? Or is Epstein's Island the
Speaker 1: cheap pedophile island?
Speaker 2: Right? That's also possible.
Speaker 1: We simply don't know. Maybe the really good pedophile islands
Speaker 1: don't tell have emails where they talk about yeah. So
Speaker 1: Branson added to the invite anytime you're in the area,
Speaker 1: would love to see you, as long as you bring
Speaker 1: your harem and all, and with a exclamation point after it,
Speaker 1: So I would say that implicates email.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about this, my favorite thing about all
Speaker 1: this is the denials all these people have to have
Speaker 1: their spokespeople issue after this shit comes out and once
Speaker 1: this email people start talking about it. Oh, Branson's referring
Speaker 1: to his harem and inviting him to his island. I
Speaker 1: guess he's probably doing some sex crimes. Branson spokesperson told
Speaker 1: journalists with The Independent that no, no, on the harem
Speaker 1: he was referring to, We're just adult members of Epstein's staff.
Speaker 1: Obviously Jesus obviously. Yeah, who were they?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Not named?
Speaker 2: Not named?
Speaker 1: Which ones kill your name? So the worst? Again? Does
Speaker 1: this mean that Jeffrey was just bringing bringing children over
Speaker 1: when Branson was there? Was he was Branson one of
Speaker 1: the ones that he played with teenage girls? Or was
Speaker 1: Branson one of the ones that he plaied with adult women?
Speaker 2: Right? No way to know.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't care if you're Jeffrey Epstein's friend
Speaker 1: at this point, in inviting him to islands, I consider
Speaker 1: you guilty of everything he was. You know, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's reasonable if you're going to islands with him, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, If you're inviting him to islands
Speaker 1: and talking about his arm, if.
Speaker 4: You're advising Bill Gates to be his like, no pedophile spokesperson. Yeah,
Speaker 4: then I'm yeah, I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 1: The I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go not a great guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the almost frat house shit. It's always it's
Speaker 2: never better than that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now that's.
Speaker 1: When it comes to question of like, well, why aren't
Speaker 1: these guys getting charged, Well, because all you have is
Speaker 1: Branson saying bring your harem, and that's not Branson didn't
Speaker 1: say bring specifically the underage members. I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: older than Sie. That's not in an email, right, So
Speaker 1: there's not I don't think there's anything to charge Branson
Speaker 1: off of at this point. Maybe there will be, maybe
Speaker 1: there's more stuff that we don't know. I'm not against it.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, I'm not surprised a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys aren't getting charged yet, because that's not quite enough,
Speaker 1: you know, to actually convict someone. The worst harms Epstein
Speaker 1: committed and the worst crimes his friends are implicated and
Speaker 1: took place offline. The conversations we have documented are mostly
Speaker 1: either precursors or adjacent to the really bad stuff. Every
Speaker 1: now and then you get something truly fucking horrifying, like
Speaker 1: there's an email chain in which one of Epstein's friends
Speaker 1: is like, hey, who is that gynecologist you sent your
Speaker 1: victims to? And Epstein like gives him the name of
Speaker 1: a gynecology and they're like, yeah, you really keep this
Speaker 1: guy busy, right, Like there's some horrifying shit like that
Speaker 1: in there, but for the most part, it's like quips
Speaker 1: like this, bring your harem. And then like one interesting
Speaker 1: thing to do on the Epstein files is search for
Speaker 1: variants of like not for email or like not for
Speaker 1: online right where, because there will be points where people
Speaker 1: will be made and then they'll be like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: take this to a phone call.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's just hard to kind of say what the
Speaker 1: exact extent of a lot of stuff was, And because
Speaker 1: so many follow up conversations that he had not even
Speaker 1: about the criminal stuff, but about stuff like crypto, took
Speaker 1: place in person or over the phone, And so I
Speaker 1: can say he was trying to influence the development of
Speaker 1: bitcoin and crypto he wanted, and he got that influence.
Speaker 1: What did he do with it not entirely clear to me.
Speaker 1: What I can say is that Joey Edo and Epstein's
Speaker 1: friendship continued to blossom throughout the aughts, and this was
Speaker 1: Remember Itto is a big wigged MIT. He's basically like
Speaker 1: running the lab that's doing like their crypto development, looking
Speaker 1: at a lot of stuff like that. And he's the
Speaker 1: guy who Jeffrey to pay the salaries of those three
Speaker 1: big bitcoin debts. And this is the friendship between Itto
Speaker 1: and Epstein is very good for MIT. The school receives
Speaker 1: at least eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the
Speaker 1: Epstein Foundation directly to Itto's projects from two thousand and
Speaker 1: two to twenty seventeen, in addition to other donations. You
Speaker 1: also have to keep in mind that, given how Epstein operated,
Speaker 1: he was responsible for an unknowable amount of donations to
Speaker 1: MIT from other rich guys in foundations. Right, he donated
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty k to MIT over this period.
Speaker 1: Who knows how much other money he got sent there
Speaker 1: by being Epstein. Itto and MIT continued to accept Epstein's
Speaker 1: money for almost a decade after his conviction for sex crimes.
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't just limit it to Edo. As the
Speaker 1: tech dot Com has summarized in an article on the subject,
Speaker 1: Professor of mechanical Engineering SETH. Lloyd received research funding went
Speaker 1: to Epstein's private island and visited Epstein while he was
Speaker 1: in prison. Following the investigation, Lloyd was put on paid
Speaker 1: administrative leave. However, Lloyd retains his team, Your professorship. Former
Speaker 1: president of MIT, Raphael Raife, signed a letter thanking Epstein
Speaker 1: for odnation in twenty twelve, just six weeks into his presidency.
Speaker 1: In a statement to MIT released in twenty nineteen, Raife
Speaker 1: stated that Itto asked for permission to retain this initial gift,
Speaker 1: and members of my senior team allowed it. Epstein's gifts
Speaker 1: were also disgusted at least one of MIT's regular senior
Speaker 1: team meetings with rape present. So a lot of people
Speaker 1: in MIT should have known better, right, And Ito himself
Speaker 1: is particularly but not the only guy who was visiting
Speaker 1: Epstein and probably involved in the criminal stuff.
Speaker 2: Right. Because it's also like, like eight hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars is a lot of money, sign a lot of
Speaker 2: money for MIT, Like what is its endowment in the building.
Speaker 2: It means like.
Speaker 1: The endowment's big, but for individuals, and again you have
Speaker 1: to assume its several million.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, over few years. I'm just saying, in
Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, every kind of financial like
Speaker 2: some of the biggest malfeasan says that happened. I am
Speaker 2: a little surprised that the actual price tag.
Speaker 1: I will just say there's a couple of things. One is,
Speaker 1: first off, people get this wrong all the time. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein's not a billionaire. Never was no evidence that he
Speaker 1: ever was. He died when he died as net worth
Speaker 1: was about six hundred million dollars, right, And this is
Speaker 1: a guy who lied a lot and put in there's
Speaker 1: not really much practical difference between six hundred million and
Speaker 1: a billion or two in terms of what other people
Speaker 1: would notice about your spending. They're both enough for yacht
Speaker 1: to arrive at islands, right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One thing though, that, as you point out, this does review,
Speaker 1: is that how little money it really takes to bribe
Speaker 1: a lot of very influential people.
Speaker 2: To change the world, you know, right, It's less than
Speaker 2: you want it to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Part of the problem is that for most billionaires in
Speaker 1: the low billions, a lot of their money I mean
Speaker 1: for all billionaires, really a lot of and most of
Speaker 1: their actual assets are tied up in things that are
Speaker 1: not liquid cash, right.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So even for these guys getting a million dollars or
Speaker 1: something in cash to throw it a single project is
Speaker 1: a pretty big donation for a lot of people at
Speaker 1: Epstein's level of wealth, right, Yeah, So I would.
Speaker 4: Say that like his connection to like crypto bros. Is
Speaker 4: not that surprising to me. But what is surprising is
Speaker 4: like the Epstein to academia pipeline being oh yeah.
Speaker 5: So massive.
Speaker 4: I mean not to say that there isn't you know,
Speaker 4: anybody who's worked in academia can talk about how political
Speaker 4: and wild it is, but it's just there's his reach
Speaker 4: is just disgustingly big.
Speaker 5: Is part of it is just like venomous.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, part of it is again he's spreading a
Speaker 1: lot of money around. And part of it is that
Speaker 1: all of these these like the academics he's going to
Speaker 1: our guys, who are a lot of them like you know,
Speaker 1: interest very interested in cryptocurrency, very interested in a lot
Speaker 1: of controversial you know stuff that winds up being part
Speaker 1: of the alt right, and what a lot of these
Speaker 1: academics that he's friends with in the early two thousands
Speaker 1: to the aughts wind up being like weird right wing
Speaker 1: guys because that's just kind of the crew that he's
Speaker 1: running with and these are kind of a lot of
Speaker 1: these are just people that are like addicted to the
Speaker 1: idea of being smarter than everybody else and on the
Speaker 1: cutting edge of shit. And that means they fall for
Speaker 1: a lot of dumb stuff because none of them, they're
Speaker 1: all PhDs and shit, none of them are as smart
Speaker 1: as they think they are. Right, well, there's just usually
Speaker 1: true of people.
Speaker 2: Even though there's a stereotype of the liberal Ivory tower
Speaker 2: of academia. I mean, the reality is it's like, especially lately,
Speaker 2: so many of these bozos with academic sounding but bad
Speaker 2: ideas can only exist in an ecosystem of academia and
Speaker 2: tener and economics professorships and like right wing philosophy professorships
Speaker 2: because their ideas don't actually work. They actually you know,
Speaker 2: buy their own pitard. They couldn't they could never survive
Speaker 2: in the free market.
Speaker 1: It's the huge problem we have because you also have
Speaker 1: a version of this problem when it comes to uh
Speaker 1: like copyright and AI right, where it's like, well, our
Speaker 1: copy right laws and intellectual property laws are a fucking disaster.
Speaker 2: And I had.
Speaker 1: Never in my life stood up for that kind of
Speaker 1: thing up until all of these AI companies want to
Speaker 1: suck up everything that human beings have ever created and
Speaker 1: remix it. And then it's like, well, maybe it's it's
Speaker 1: just the weapon we have, and I don't really like it.
Speaker 1: And I understand there's a lot of arguments about, well,
Speaker 1: this is problematic, but what else are we going to
Speaker 1: do at this point?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I can see that argument, And it's kind of like
Speaker 1: with with academia. The war the right has been waging
Speaker 1: on college and on the system of tenure and whatnot
Speaker 1: is disastrous, but also academia has a lot of problems,
Speaker 1: like the fact, like the very structure of how higher
Speaker 1: education works is a part of why our entire generation
Speaker 1: owes all of their money to colleges. Right, I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of problems with the way the system works.
Speaker 1: And so I know, just because Trump's destroying it and
Speaker 1: I'm against that, I don't want to be like, but
Speaker 1: the system works great before, because it didn't. All these
Speaker 1: guys were friends with Jeffrey Epstein, you know. To continue
Speaker 1: along that line, Epstein used MIT to headhunt future influential
Speaker 1: crypto developers that he wanted on his side, people like
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rubin, who's today a noteworthy cryptocurrency researcher who was
Speaker 1: connected to Epstein by Joyedo. In twenty fourteen, at around
Speaker 1: the same time, Epstein was emailing with Peter Teal, who
Speaker 1: was a friend of his and a regular confidant. Epstein
Speaker 1: and Teal send a lot of emails to each other.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey sends him a link to the New York State
Speaker 1: Department of Financial Services, which had just announced that they
Speaker 1: were going to m twenty fourteen, had just announced they
Speaker 1: were going to consider proposals for regulating virtual currency exchanges,
Speaker 1: and they published a list of proposed rules for the
Speaker 1: New York based bitcoin businesses that very month. Epstein sends
Speaker 1: this email to Teal with like a link to these
Speaker 1: updated rules and titles it as I told you, basically
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, I told you that New York was
Speaker 1: going to start regulating crypto And Teal responded, do you
Speaker 1: think this is the first step in upping the anti
Speaker 1: bitcoin pressure? And here's Epstein basically, do you think this
Speaker 1: is the first step in like the state governments and
Speaker 1: the federal government coming out against crypto? And here's Epstein's reply. First,
Speaker 1: it appears there is little agreement on what bitcoin is
Speaker 1: store of intrinsic value if any currency, property, architecture, payment system,
Speaker 1: et cetera, conflicting goals, anonymous but transparent public ledger like
Speaker 1: the continuum now in the gender classification, fitting things into
Speaker 1: narrow boxes seems old school man presenting a woman smells
Speaker 1: like property presenting a currency anyway more, when I see you,
Speaker 1: this is interesting for a few reasons. For one thing,
Speaker 1: you have this kind of this acknowledgment from Jeffrey that
Speaker 1: like no one really understands how like what bitcoin is,
Speaker 1: Like like there's not a lot a widespread understanding about
Speaker 1: like what it is, right because the people who are
Speaker 1: marketing it are saying, like it frees you from the government.
Speaker 1: It's totally anonymous, right, But also it's transparent because of
Speaker 1: the public ledger, because like the proof of fucking workshit, right,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, it is like the different things that
Speaker 1: have bitcoin has been sold to was says it can't
Speaker 1: be all of them. It literally can be. They were
Speaker 1: lying about a bunch of stuff because bitcoin was more
Speaker 1: than anything, a con right. But the fact that he
Speaker 1: then the fact that he pivots to comparing it to
Speaker 1: trans people and to the growing understanding that which in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen was still you know, a lot more primitive
Speaker 1: than it is today. That like, oh, gender is not
Speaker 1: as like much of a binary as people, like most
Speaker 1: people had assumed for all. Like, we're starting to kind
Speaker 1: of talk about that a lot more, and Jeffrey's thinking
Speaker 1: about it and aware of it, which is interesting because
Speaker 1: come the late oughts, for the last period of his life,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a big anti trans rite skuy, right,
Speaker 1: and he's going to be seeding that world. And so
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to be that in twenty fourteen he's
Speaker 1: thinking about this alongside bitcoin, right, And it's kind of
Speaker 1: incoherent and again, not very smart the way he's thinking
Speaker 1: about it, because that's not really accurate about bitcoin, Like
Speaker 1: it's Bitcoin's not in fact like gender. People were just
Speaker 1: like pretending bitcoin was anonymous to trick criminals into using
Speaker 1: it so that more people would money into the system.
Speaker 1: That's different than people understanding that gender is not as
Speaker 1: binary as they thought it was, right, here's the difference. Yeah, Anyway,
Speaker 1: For a further summary of Teal and Epstein's relationship, here's
Speaker 1: what Ryan Broderick wrote in an issue of his newsletter
Speaker 1: Garbage Day on the subject The earliest actual emails between
Speaker 1: Epstein and Teal released so far from twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 1: an email in June of twenty fifteen, Epstein connected Teal
Speaker 1: with Sergei Belyakov, Russia's deputy Minister of Economic Development, an
Speaker 1: alleged Russian intelligence operative. In an email to Teal a
Speaker 1: month after that, Epstein alludes to a visit at his
Speaker 1: Zoro ranch in New Mexico. In twenty fifteen, Epstein told
Speaker 1: medical researcher and author Peter Attia, who was just named
Speaker 1: as a new CBS contributor by Barry Weiss, whose wife
Speaker 1: Nelly Bowles also corresponded with Epstein, that he was having
Speaker 1: dinner with Musk, Teal, and Zuckerberg, and in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: Epstein offered to share the expenses for Teal's lawsuit against Goker,
Speaker 1: which would eventually bankrupt the outlet. We'll talk more about
Speaker 1: that dinner.
Speaker 2: So dumb. It's such a club of the dumbest motherfuckers
Speaker 2: ever to live.
Speaker 1: Well, And he's just he's he is connecting people to spies.
Speaker 1: He's he is like and that this is why people
Speaker 1: are like, was he literally just working for the Russian government?
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of he made. I think it
Speaker 1: is likely just that he was as dumb as they were.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of ooh, this guy's the Russian
Speaker 1: deputy minister and probably a smile connect to my friend
Speaker 1: Peter Deal. He does a lot of that shit. And
Speaker 1: it's very similar to like Robert Maxwell Gilan Maxwell's dad,
Speaker 1: where people I think wrongly are like he was a
Speaker 1: Massad agent, and I was like, that would imply that,
Speaker 1: like he was hired and trained by the Massad as
Speaker 1: opposed to what the Massad. We know the Massad does,
Speaker 1: which is they find like rich guys who are sympathetic
Speaker 1: to Israel and make them feel special and feel like
Speaker 1: they're James Bond in exchange for giving them information that's useful, right,
Speaker 1: which is I think what and giving them tasks sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, talk to this guy, get this guy to
Speaker 1: say this thing, right, you know it bring us this
Speaker 1: information they're using, just like the Russians are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like agent Jov, but in the way that
Speaker 2: like so is like a chainsaw. It doesn't make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I saw smart and I think there's good
Speaker 1: evidence that Epstein was that kind of useful idiot. Both
Speaker 1: the Russian government and for the Masade right, But that's
Speaker 1: again an episode that's a subject for another series.
Speaker 2: Of episodes that we would have to get into.
Speaker 1: Now. The Tech in their rite up of all this,
Speaker 1: points out one particularly interesting email chain from August of
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Epstein and Teal are discussing an accountant named
Speaker 1: Richard who Epstein connected Joy Eedo with to set up
Speaker 1: the paperwork for some kind of crypto launch. This is
Speaker 1: likely Richard Khan, Epstein's personal accountant, and it's a little
Speaker 1: unclear about why Teal needed to be in contact with
Speaker 1: Khan other than some crypto project. And they were talking
Speaker 1: about layer one and it's I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: this meant, so I looked it up and in networking
Speaker 1: jargon like the field of like computer networking, layer one
Speaker 1: can refer to either data and equipment. I found a
Speaker 1: website CBT and Nuggets that describes all this. Layer one
Speaker 1: data is simply bits sent across a wire many many
Speaker 1: zeros and ones. This is the network layer where that happens,
Speaker 1: so that it can be transmitted somewhere else. So then
Speaker 1: layer one equipment is the gear that lets you send
Speaker 1: data and it uses and it's specifically the gear that
Speaker 1: used to send data that uses little to know object
Speaker 1: in operating, So it's the most basic equipment for sending data.
Speaker 1: We're talking like Ethernet and fiber optic cables, as well
Speaker 1: as physical transmission objects of any overwear technology, including like electricity.
Speaker 1: So the fact that they we're talking with con about
Speaker 1: layer one for some kind of cryptodeal could have been
Speaker 1: a wide variety of things. But they were definitely talking
Speaker 1: about like the very basic infrastructure that would be needed
Speaker 1: to make this company function, right, So they could have
Speaker 1: been talking about a variety of things. But when Itto
Speaker 1: asks Jeffrey, like, how's CON's investigation doing into this stuff,
Speaker 1: Epstein responded, so far, it's not good. There seems to
Speaker 1: be a disconnect between manipulation, currency valuation. It's how to
Speaker 1: protect ourselves not easy. Itto then asks if he should
Speaker 1: pass this on to the team, which again suggests Epstein
Speaker 1: had an influential role shaping crypto projects that we're going
Speaker 1: through MIT at the time. Edo responds by asking if
Speaker 1: there's any specific regulations he should look at when giving
Speaker 1: feedback to the team, and Epstein tells ITEDO mini Ponzi gambling, manipulation,
Speaker 1: unlikely to cause trouble except for high value targets. So
Speaker 1: we've got here is Epstein. This is finally a little
Speaker 1: bit of I talked about. I'm not sure how much
Speaker 1: is he conned or a con man? This is he's
Speaker 1: a con man. Fully he is talking about a crypto
Speaker 1: project he's working on with fucking Mit and being like,
Speaker 1: this is Ponzi gambling. We're manipulating people. We're going to
Speaker 1: steal their money, but it's unlikely to cause a trouble
Speaker 1: unless we take too much money from a high value target. Right,
Speaker 1: that's what he's saying here, right, Like whatever this project is.
Speaker 4: You know what, Jeffrey Epstein would have loved. Huh all
Speaker 4: the super commercials from this year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would have loved the super Bowl commercials
Speaker 1: for this year. It was all all Epstein backed companies.
Speaker 4: All crypto, all online gambling.
Speaker 5: It was like his Holy Trinity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never been more apparent that the super Bowl
Speaker 2: is just a scam. This is the year it has
Speaker 2: to be mask off, right, like this is all scams only,
Speaker 2: only scams, only scams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was all cons. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of them seemed very good. But also there was
Speaker 1: the like the the part that really struck me because
Speaker 1: the one crypto ad I noticed was coin Base, where
Speaker 1: it was just like the fucking the Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 5: Everybody was so mad along and either way, fuck you
Speaker 5: coin Base and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, it's it actually made me happy because it's it's desperation.
Speaker 2: It's desperation. They're more then last year. Yeah, I will say, Actually, Sophie,
Speaker 2: when you said, do you know what jeff REPSI would
Speaker 2: have loved I thought you were forcing an ad read
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: Yes, no.
Speaker 5: I wasn't, but it is that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah we should God, yeah.
Speaker 1: We're back. Boy, Jeffrey Epstein would have loved those ads.
Speaker 4: Okay, Robert, I'd like to keep my health insurance, thanks
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah I need it.
Speaker 5: Jeffrey doesn't because he's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah he sure doesn't. Anyway, we're back. So so far,
Speaker 1: we've discussed Epstein's early interest in cryptocurrency and his early
Speaker 1: advocacy for micro transactions and video games. Now it's time
Speaker 1: to talk about where he starts to veer into the
Speaker 1: right wing media game. He starts hitting the fever swamps,
Speaker 1: and to discuss that, I got to introduce a new character.
Speaker 1: Christopher Poole, better known socially as Moo Moot Moot, born
Speaker 1: in Proper, nineteen eighty seven, somewhere near Virginia. Chris's early
Speaker 1: life is a black hole until he joined the Something
Speaker 1: Awful forums, you weren't online during that brief but glorious window.
Speaker 1: There was a period of somewhat less than a decade
Speaker 1: from the late nineties to the early to mid auts
Speaker 1: where that was a like the place for Internet culture.
Speaker 1: It's what invented a lot of things that are still
Speaker 1: foundational to Internet culture. A lot of like you know,
Speaker 1: the stuff that people hate, like how folks get mobbed
Speaker 1: when they like do or say something dumb or fucked
Speaker 1: up online, the way that like the Internet will just
Speaker 1: launch mobs after random people for saying the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: That started on something awful and in fact, in both
Speaker 1: the good and the bad way, right like the Something
Speaker 1: Awful there was a big like anti scientology thing where
Speaker 1: like they were basically dedossing scientology websites at one point,
Speaker 1: and also a bunch of random people got harassed for
Speaker 1: being weird on the Internet. Likewise, the way that like
Speaker 1: memes work. You know, a lot of the basics of
Speaker 1: that were kind of ironed out online on Something Awful.
Speaker 1: There's a way in which you can say all modern
Speaker 1: social media is kind of downstream of something Awful. But
Speaker 1: Christopher Poole wasn't just spending his time on something Awful.
Speaker 1: He also spent a lot of time on Japanese message boards,
Speaker 1: specifically one called two chan, right, which is going to
Speaker 1: be relevant here in a second. So Something Awful is
Speaker 1: basically a dictatorship, which we can say most modern social media.
Speaker 1: But it's not like a company really. I mean, they
Speaker 1: do kind of have a company at one point, but
Speaker 1: it's not a real functional company. It's run by one asshole,
Speaker 1: Richard Kyanka, who takes donations and people have to pay
Speaker 1: to join the forum. And Richard kind of rules things
Speaker 1: with an iron fist, and because of the way he
Speaker 1: runs things, whenever there's something he doesn't like or that
Speaker 1: endangers the site, he tends to just ban stuff. Right.
Speaker 1: So the fact that low Tax is the single guy
Speaker 1: legally responsible for this website leads him to a couple
Speaker 1: of conundrums like this, right, because people want something Awful
Speaker 1: attracts tens of thousands, eventually over one hundred thousand members.
Speaker 1: People start doing all sorts of illegal shit on it. Right,
Speaker 1: one of the forums is just devoted to people using
Speaker 1: illegal drugs. And in fact, what I was a kid
Speaker 1: on there, watched with a number of other goons as
Speaker 1: a guy overdosed live in a threat and died. Bunch
Speaker 1: of fucked up stuff have it on that site. People
Speaker 1: also had illegal fire sharing on there. There used to
Speaker 1: be a subjection of the forum where people would like
Speaker 1: put up torrents and weares, which is like pirated video
Speaker 1: games back in the day. Right, that's very illegal, So
Speaker 1: that gets banned after a while because it had to be, right.
Speaker 1: You can't have this massive, public, basic website giving people
Speaker 1: letting people steal shit from every company in the world.
Speaker 1: You'll get in trouble. So Low Tax bans that. And
Speaker 1: he you know, this happens a bunch of different times, right,
Speaker 1: and particularly it happens to a group of forum users
Speaker 1: who create a place in the forum to share their
Speaker 1: weird pornography. And in order to describe this this chunk
Speaker 1: of something awful history, I'm gonna quote from Max Reid's substack.
Speaker 1: He banned lolocon that is underage girl, HINTI More generally,
Speaker 1: Low Tax hated the anime sub forum on Something Awful,
Speaker 1: and the anime fans who populated the sub forum hated
Speaker 1: him back. The sub forum was called Anime Death Tentacle
Speaker 1: Rape Poorhouse, not because it was devoted to tentacle rape,
Speaker 1: but because low Taxes contempt for anime nerds meant it
Speaker 1: thought he would be funny to call the General Anime
Speaker 1: Board that one punishment for misbehavior on the forms was
Speaker 1: to be banned, so you could only read or post
Speaker 1: in that sub forum. And what's really funny to me
Speaker 1: about this is like, even from that little segment, you
Speaker 1: can tell Low tax is not a good guy. He's
Speaker 1: a terrible, abusive spouse, an awful man. The fact that
Speaker 1: he bans underaged like animated porn from his website makes
Speaker 1: him more responsible than any modern social media ceo. Like
Speaker 1: he is lapping Elon Musk in terms of his level
Speaker 1: of care for the public good and he's a massive
Speaker 1: piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Is so funny to me, he's somehow the good guy
Speaker 2: in this local dip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I hate him.
Speaker 1: So Lolocan gets banned, and it creates a bunch of
Speaker 1: people who were on Something Awful, who are into anime,
Speaker 1: who are angry at low tax and are finally ready
Speaker 1: to find another place.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Christopher Poole is one of these people. He had posted
Speaker 1: on adtrw right, and he sees this is an opportunity, right,
Speaker 1: there's all these guys who are looking for a new
Speaker 1: place to gather online. Maybe I can make a place
Speaker 1: for them. He's a fan of two chan, so he
Speaker 1: copies the way this Japanese imageboard works and he makes
Speaker 1: a new website and he calls it four Chan. And
Speaker 1: all of these guys who had been posting on Something Awful,
Speaker 1: who were angry at Richard Kanka, angry at all of
Speaker 1: the moderation, at the fact that there was stuff like
Speaker 1: underage Girl anime that wasn't okay, they moved to four
Speaker 1: Chan because nothing's not okay on that's the idea, right,
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that happened is basically
Speaker 1: everyone on Something Awful is pretty toxic at this point.
Speaker 1: I'd include myself in that. But the most toxic people
Speaker 1: on Something Awful go over to four Chan, where they
Speaker 1: get to be totally anonymous. They don't have to spend
Speaker 1: any money, and they don't have to abide by most
Speaker 1: of the same rules So when Pool creates four chan, though,
Speaker 1: he's got to deal with, ironically, the same question that
Speaker 1: had confronted low Tax, right, which is, Okay, I'm the
Speaker 1: guy whose name is attached to this web community. What
Speaker 1: crosses the line for me? What am I not willing
Speaker 1: to have attached to my name?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, legally right, legally or socially right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to you have to deal with that
Speaker 1: question when you're doing this shit. So when the site
Speaker 1: was first created, there was a sub forum slash in,
Speaker 1: which meant which it was meant to be, like slash
Speaker 1: in for news. Right, this is the news part of
Speaker 1: the chan, the image board, so for reasons that are
Speaker 1: complex and largely irrelevant to our broader discussion, though, the
Speaker 1: news board evolves into the transportation board over time, by
Speaker 1: like twenty ten, people are using it to discuss transportation
Speaker 1: issues because as much of a hub hub of like
Speaker 1: scum and villainy as four chan is a lot of
Speaker 1: it's just people discussing banal shit. Right, So it becomes clear, Okay,
Speaker 1: we still probably need a news section of the image board,
Speaker 1: and the one I initially created is all about fucking
Speaker 1: buses or whatever. So Pool alects to launch a separate
Speaker 1: novel news section called slash new Now. Ryan Broderick writes
Speaker 1: that this was quote largely as a way to quarantine
Speaker 1: the overwhelming amount of support on the site for Ron
Speaker 1: Paul's two thousand and eight campaign. This is something that
Speaker 1: happens on something awful too, But there's a lot. Basically,
Speaker 1: anywhere people post online is nothing but Ron Paul guys
Speaker 1: a two thousand and eight. If you let people talk
Speaker 1: about politics, it's all the Ron Paul revolution. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: Ron Paul's entire voter base at this period of time
Speaker 1: is guys who live on the Internet and use digital
Speaker 1: currency to buy drugs or child sex abuse imagery. Right Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the base. So there are free and that's creatom.
Speaker 1: That's libertarianism in a nutshell. So the first posts to
Speaker 1: this new segment of four chan are really problematic, right Like,
Speaker 1: he sets this up as a way to quarantine all
Speaker 1: the Ron Paul people, and they immediately start saying shit
Speaker 1: that even Pool has some issues with. And so in
Speaker 1: June of twenty eleven, Pool deletes slash New, posting anybody
Speaker 1: who used it knows exactly why it was removed. When
Speaker 1: I readded the board. Last year I made a note
Speaker 1: that if it evolved into slash stormfront, I'd remove it.
Speaker 1: It did ages ago. Now it's gone as promised. So he,
Speaker 1: by his own discussion, removes the news board because it's
Speaker 1: all Nazi stuff and he doesn't want that on his
Speaker 1: site at this stage. Now, at this point, at this stage,
Speaker 1: at this stage, it all makes sense. Right, Pool's not
Speaker 1: a great guy, but he's not an Nazi, it seems
Speaker 1: like at this point, right, and he.
Speaker 2: Just doesn't associated openly with Nazis, right, And that is
Speaker 2: unfortunately a step.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fine with Lolo Kan, but like, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it is a step he's going to take because a
Speaker 1: year or so later, Pool creates the poll board for
Speaker 1: four chan, which stands for politically incorrect, And the fact
Speaker 1: that that's what it stood for might suggest to you
Speaker 1: that this is meant from the beginning as a hub
Speaker 1: for right wing news and politics discussion. Right politically incorrect
Speaker 1: is not a term that liberals are using positively, No,
Speaker 1: it is a term that conservatives use right. So slash
Speaker 1: poll almost immediately devolves into a hub for neo Nazi
Speaker 1: and white supremacist propaganda. For years, no one but Pool
Speaker 1: knew why he had decided to open poll after the
Speaker 1: failure of New and its predecessor. Then the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice published this most recent three million pages worth of
Speaker 1: Epstein files, which it provided us with information that may
Speaker 1: finally solve or at least bring this mystery closer to
Speaker 1: being solved. And here's the big revelation. The day before
Speaker 1: Pool created slash Poll, he met with Jeffrey Epstein in person.
Speaker 1: The day before he makes poor he.
Speaker 5: Meets Epstein, you're whying, what the fuck I mean?
Speaker 2: I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's hear a little more about that before
Speaker 1: we try to puzzle this all out. I'm going to
Speaker 1: quote from that Garbage Day newsletter again. On October twentieth,
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, Boris Nicolck, a venture capitalist and former advisor
Speaker 1: to Bill Gates, sent Epstein the Wikipedia page for Christopher Poole,
Speaker 1: writing there is a cool guy kid in all caps
Speaker 1: and parentheses that you should meet. Four days later, Nikolak
Speaker 1: followed up, asking Epstein, how did you like moot? He
Speaker 1: is very sensitive, so be gentle. I liked him a lot.
Speaker 1: I drove him home. He is very bright, Epstein replied.
Speaker 1: Nicolk went on to write that he will be a
Speaker 1: friend and that he is one of the greatest hackers.
Speaker 1: Now we don't have enough Yeah, right, First off, there's
Speaker 1: a cool guy hid.
Speaker 2: It's really weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's really upsetting to me. M We simply
Speaker 1: don't have enough information to know exactly what happened here,
Speaker 1: to know what the actual dimensions of their relationship were,
Speaker 1: or what they even fucking talked about. We know that
Speaker 1: Epstein and Moot met the day before Moot creates Pole.
Speaker 1: After that, we have no clear documentation of their relationship.
Speaker 1: We've got some emails of them trying to schedule meetings
Speaker 1: or get togethers, and that's really it. Perhaps the conversation
Speaker 1: they had didn't relate at all to poll. I can't
Speaker 1: ignore the timing of this, right, Knowing that Epstein is
Speaker 1: getting increasingly into right wing media, he's going to fund
Speaker 1: some of it directly in the in the coming years.
Speaker 1: Knowing that Christopher Poole removed the news chunk of four
Speaker 1: chan because it was basically Stormfront and then creates Pole,
Speaker 1: making it into basically the storm Front section of the
Speaker 1: site after meeting with That's that I can't not I
Speaker 1: can'tnot think that maybe Epstein said, you got to bring
Speaker 1: this back.
Speaker 2: I don't know, or or like, well, never know what
Speaker 2: a shame, or like it's not so bad, or like
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be great if this existed, Like it doesn't
Speaker 2: even have to be like hard pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have to be hard pressure, ye know.
Speaker 1: Or maybe maybe Pool was having thinking about this a
Speaker 1: lot himself, because he clearly wanted there to be something
Speaker 1: like this and had tried to get it right, and
Speaker 1: maybe he brought that up to Epstein and he was like,
Speaker 1: I think you should just go for it, man, fuck it,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that said Epstein is a
Speaker 1: regular user of four chan after a semi regular user
Speaker 1: of four chan after this point. We don't know that
Speaker 1: he was posting, and in fact that doesn't seem very
Speaker 1: likely based on what he used it for. But he's
Speaker 1: on there fairly regularly, right. He sends links to four
Speaker 1: chan to his friends. In twenty seventeen, he sent Karina Shuliek,
Speaker 1: his girlfriend at the time, a four Chan link containing
Speaker 1: five nights at Freddy's porn. He sent other fans links
Speaker 1: to like Fucking Princess Bubblegum porn from Adventure Time All
Speaker 1: sorts of shit like that. Jeffrey Epstein's trawling, like the
Speaker 1: porn parts of four Chan, primarily for like animated porn
Speaker 1: of animated characters, seems to be like one of his
Speaker 1: big things. And I don't know what to do with
Speaker 1: that information, Andrew, I don't know what to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that fucking Jeffrey Epstein is masturbating to princess
Speaker 1: bubblegum pornography. I don't know what to do with that knowledge.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's that part of it is
Speaker 3: like what do you do with just I mean, I
Speaker 3: think all of his sexuality is something that is it's
Speaker 3: all upsetting, Yeah, unknowable to I think normal, I mean
Speaker 3: not even normal.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm like, what, I.
Speaker 1: Guess that's not unknowable. I'm not like because I know
Speaker 1: a lot I've been on the end. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of weird people. I know if there's a cartoon,
Speaker 1: there's porn of it. Yeah, right, Like I'm aware of that.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't expect Jeffrey Epstein knew what Adventure
Speaker 1: Time was.
Speaker 2: That's weird to me. Although it's it's just upsetting that
Speaker 2: a man that was interested in power this much was
Speaker 2: also such a juvenile moron. But I guess that is
Speaker 2: what that is what it's you know, on the sanitized level,
Speaker 2: Twitter has shown us about billionaires writ large and these
Speaker 2: why they're interested in kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I brought because I will say, I was talking
Speaker 1: to my partner about this, I was like Epstein was
Speaker 1: sending fucking princess bubblegun porn and like other like porn
Speaker 1: from like animated kid shows. I didn't even know he
Speaker 1: knew what Adventure Time was. And she just looks at
Speaker 1: me and she says, you're surprised Jeffrey Epstein knew what
Speaker 1: teenage girls were watching in the two thousands, And I was.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: Actually makes mystery sold. Okay, I didn't assume that one.
Speaker 1: That was me being dumb. You're right now, this doesn't
Speaker 1: tie into the broader themes of these episodes at all, Andrew.
Speaker 1: But I have to tell you something because it's in
Speaker 1: my head now and now it's going to be in
Speaker 1: everyone else's head, because god damn it, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to deal with this alone. On Thursday, July fourth of
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, while the rest of the country was setting
Speaker 1: up fireworks and day drinking joy Edo sent an email
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein that, best as we can tell, was
Speaker 1: an appendix to an in person conversation they'd had a
Speaker 1: few days or hours earlier, right that, we're talking about
Speaker 1: something over the phone or in person, and then Itto
Speaker 1: sends him an email about this thing he'd talk to
Speaker 1: him about. Right, you know, we've all done this, right sure?
Speaker 1: In this case, the email that Edo sends Epstein is
Speaker 1: just the Wikipedia page for daki makura or Japanese body
Speaker 1: pillows that are printed with art depicting an anime wife
Speaker 1: or waifu. And he appends a picture of one such
Speaker 1: pillow to the email, which you will all be seeing
Speaker 1: now if you're watching the video version of the show.
Speaker 1: If not, it's a pillow with an egged anime girl
Speaker 1: on it. Why did Jeffrey Epstein need to read the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page for anime body pillows? What was the conversation
Speaker 1: that inspired this? We will never know, and none of
Speaker 1: this is really relevant to the main thesis of these episodes.
Speaker 1: But I felt like, again, I just you have to
Speaker 1: know this now, like you can't not. Jeffrey Epstein knew
Speaker 1: what Japanese body pillows were. That's just part of life
Speaker 1: for everyone.
Speaker 2: Now, Like the head of the goddamn MIT Media lab
Speaker 2: was sending body pillow shit to a pedophile, which is like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like Ito resigned, he should have been fired.
Speaker 1: And I mean in like from a cannon, like out
Speaker 1: of a cannon into the sea. That should be a crime.
Speaker 1: We just need to make that a sex crime. Letting
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein know about Japanese body pillows is something you
Speaker 1: should have to register as a sex offender for doing.
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things where it's like it
Speaker 2: is obviously circumstantial evidence, but you could actually walk down
Speaker 2: every path that leads to that, and it is impossible
Speaker 2: to find one that doesn't involve a crime. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: There's no way you get to that point having not
Speaker 1: committed sex crimes. It's simply impossible. Yeah, speaking of crimes
Speaker 1: against humanity. What Oh sorry, Sophie, I cut you off.
Speaker 1: I was just doing an ad pivot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say that that's like at
Speaker 4: least tier two sex offender ship, at least tier two,
Speaker 4: if not tier three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an elite pedophile. You got to give him that.
Speaker 2: MM hmm.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, probably shouldn't go to ads right after seeing
Speaker 1: Elite Pedophile.
Speaker 4: But what else are we supposed to do with Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Epstein Epstein Files episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting.
Speaker 5: Frown lines from these episodes.
Speaker 1: We're back, you know, We're uh, we're steaming. We're epsteining.
Speaker 1: We're steining steining. You guys like steaening a little more? Okay,
Speaker 1: read the script. So not long after four Chan introduced
Speaker 1: the poll Board, which again stood for politically incorrect, Epstein's
Speaker 1: friend Steve Bannon took over the far at the far
Speaker 1: right news website Breitbart dot com. You like, within a
Speaker 1: year of each other that Bannon takes over at Breit
Speaker 1: Barlin and Epstein is again buddies with Bannon. This has
Speaker 1: been back in twenty twelve, and I hate that we
Speaker 1: kept to shift in time so much in these episodes,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of impossible to cover all the stuff
Speaker 1: and not do it. So in twenty twelve, four Chan's
Speaker 1: poll board launches, and we know Epstein spends time on
Speaker 1: four Chan because he sends links to his friends. Steve
Speaker 1: Bannon takes over Breitbart and he starts turning it into
Speaker 1: the machine that's going to drive gamer Gate, which arises
Speaker 1: from four chan into the mainstream news in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: These things happened very close to each other. Bannon and
Speaker 1: Epstein were socially adjacent over the years, for years before
Speaker 1: we have evidences of them corresponding. Right officially, if you
Speaker 1: are reading about this officially, I believe it's twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: That is the early point we know Bannon and Epstein
Speaker 1: were connected directly, and it was via Michael Wolf, or
Speaker 1: at least that's one of the sources I read said
Speaker 1: that there's no way that that was the case. For
Speaker 1: one thing, Bannon is working with Brock Pierce, who we
Speaker 1: started these episodes with right much earlier than that. And
Speaker 1: Epstein is friends with brock Pierce during this period of time,
Speaker 1: right from twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen. Again, Wolf is
Speaker 1: kind of our best documentation of like when they started
Speaker 1: emailing each other. But even if and we don't have
Speaker 1: enough of the emails to know if there are earlier
Speaker 1: emails between Bannon and Epstein, but we know they were
Speaker 1: in touch earlier than that, right, Like we just don't
Speaker 1: know exactly like when this all happened. I don't know
Speaker 1: when they were first communicating directly, but I know that
Speaker 1: In May twenty sixteen, Epstein emailed Kathy Rumler, who is
Speaker 1: the White House counsel to President Barack Obama, or at
Speaker 1: least who was the White House council to President Barack
Speaker 1: Obama and a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein's Kathy and
Speaker 1: Epstein email obviously. And what's weird about this is that
Speaker 1: Kathy's obviously a Democrat, right, Like she's working for Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: She's not fans of Steve Bannon and a lot of
Speaker 1: the people that Epstein keeps in his social orbit. On
Speaker 1: May eighth, Epstein sent her an email that was just
Speaker 1: a link to a Breitbart article about how Trump was
Speaker 1: using the same language to attack Hillary that the women
Speaker 1: who have accused Bill Clinton of rape used to describe Hillary.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The article was saying, people are angry at Trump for
Speaker 1: being mean to Hillary, but he's just mirroring the language
Speaker 1: that Bill's victims used to describe how mean Hillary was
Speaker 1: to them, Right, that's the article, you know. And Epstein
Speaker 1: sends this to Kathy Rimmler, who's a Democrat working for Obama,
Speaker 1: and that's so that's really weird right her him sending
Speaker 1: her a Breitbart link, and Kathy seems confused by this too.
Speaker 1: She responds, what's more disturbing is that you are reading Breitbart.
Speaker 2: Like, what's more.
Speaker 1: Disturbing to anything the article is that you're reading Breitbart
Speaker 1: and this I think this is an important exchange because
Speaker 1: it suggests a few things. For one, By twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: Epstein is pretty new to reading and sharing Breitbart articles.
Speaker 1: And I think think he's pretty new because he found
Speaker 1: himself surprisingly interested in the content, and so it just
Speaker 1: kind of becomes an increasingly large part of his media diet.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's thinking about how extreme it
Speaker 1: is or how weird other people think it is that
Speaker 1: he's reading Breitbart articles because he sends it casually to Kathy.
Speaker 1: The two are good friends in their emailing constantly, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't think twice about sending her a Breitbart article
Speaker 1: until she's like, what the fuck? Man, that's really weird.
Speaker 1: That says to me that Epstein. However, much of this
Speaker 1: is him being like a master manipulator. Epstein's also organically
Speaker 1: falling down a right wing rabbit hole. Right that really
Speaker 1: seems like what this is suggesting to me that he
Speaker 1: is legitimately finding himself interested in this stuff, in addition
Speaker 1: to whatever kind of grievances he has that are leading
Speaker 1: him to support people like Bannon, to support this political
Speaker 1: move that's going to culminate in the Trump campaign. There's
Speaker 1: other evidence of this a twenty fourteen email from a
Speaker 1: redacted sender who had just returned and revisit to Epstein Island.
Speaker 1: The anonymous center of this email who signed the email
Speaker 1: just m thanked Epstein and offered lots of hugs and
Speaker 1: then appended this PostScript to the email. I researched some
Speaker 1: movie we can watch when you are back. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of Alexander Dugan, one of Putin's advisors, If not,
Speaker 1: reading about him and his views might be interesting and
Speaker 1: perhaps quite useful. And that's really interesting to me that
Speaker 1: people in his circle are trying to push him. Maybe
Speaker 1: people who are connected to the Russian government are trying
Speaker 1: to push him to read Alexander Dugan. Dugan is an
Speaker 1: influential right wing philosopher and political theorist whose work deals
Speaker 1: heavily with the concept of a multipolar world, aka one
Speaker 1: in which the US has lost its status as a superpower.
Speaker 1: And the world is divided between competing blocks of hegemonic powers.
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley fascists often find a lot that they like
Speaker 1: in Dugan because their own goal is to see the
Speaker 1: collapse of the US as a nation state, which will
Speaker 1: allow CEO kings like Peter Thield to govern city states
Speaker 1: and regions without oversight. There's no other mention of Dugan
Speaker 1: in the archives yet, but as I noted before, Epstein
Speaker 1: has a number of Russian connections, and this is all
Speaker 1: just kind of part of this picture we're getting of
Speaker 1: Epstein twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen. He's sending bright Bart
Speaker 1: articles to his friends. He's talking about alexandes. People are
Speaker 1: suggesting he reads Alexander Dugan, and he's going to increasingly
Speaker 1: start putting his money towards supporting right wing content. In
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Jeffrey Epstein donates twenty five thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel of Juan Jean Francois Geriapee, a French
Speaker 1: white nationalist influencer, who announced the donation on his channel
Speaker 1: during an episode with Richard Spencer. So Gariape and Richard
Speaker 1: Spencer are bragging that Jeffrey Epstein donated to support his
Speaker 1: white supremacist YouTube channel in two thy fifteen, part right,
Speaker 1: I mean for an idea, Yeah, of the kind of
Speaker 1: shit Garyapee, saying he calls for a white ethno state
Speaker 1: and advocates that men should own their wives. This is
Speaker 1: interesting about Garyapee because his own wife disappeared in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Yeah, she fell off the face of the
Speaker 1: earth at twenty twenty three. He claims he dropped her
Speaker 1: off to go camping in the middle of the woods
Speaker 1: because she was a big fan of off grid living
Speaker 1: and had been planning the trip for a while. Critics
Speaker 1: note that he deep cleaned their whole home right before
Speaker 1: she allegedly left on this trip. The Royal Canadian Mounted
Speaker 1: Police were at one point seeking tips from the public
Speaker 1: to help find her, but they have deleted that website
Speaker 1: and I don't know what her status is. This segment
Speaker 1: from a Daily Beast article on the matter does give
Speaker 1: you a very good idea of who Gary Aapee is, though,
Speaker 1: during a contentious child custody battle in the US, and
Speaker 1: now ex wife accused Gariyapee of threatening to take their
Speaker 1: child to Canada. During the custody case, an undergraduate Duke
Speaker 1: University student testify that Garyapee had conducted an inappropriate sexual
Speaker 1: relationship with her when he was employed as a researcher
Speaker 1: at the school and she was working as his research assistant.
Speaker 1: The student alleged emotional abuse by Garyapee. Gary p had
Speaker 1: previously told The Daily Beasts that the relationship was consensual.
Speaker 1: During that custody case, which he lost, Gary ape also
Speaker 1: became embroiled in a guardianship battle over a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old who he described as his Beyonce. The teenager had
Speaker 1: autism and had been assessed by a counselor as having
Speaker 1: the social and mental maturity of a ten to eleven
Speaker 1: year old child.
Speaker 2: Cool guy, horrific.
Speaker 1: This is who Epstein. He gives him twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: And he's just out here like living, right, He's not.
Speaker 1: Still He's still He's still around as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also like like thanks for the thanks for
Speaker 2: the donation from Jeffrey E. Thanks, thanks for the twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand coins all whatever. Yeah, it's just like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I like there is a certain point where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: all these right wing people are fucking awful. You know,
Speaker 2: certainly pedophile supporting whatever. Oh there's no hypocrites, but it
Speaker 2: is like kind of fascinating each time they have no shame.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not a slam dunk, I think,
Speaker 2: but it is just like, yeah, yeah, these people are
Speaker 2: exactly this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it's fucking the This is the side
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey we didn't get until there was the release,
Speaker 1: the side where he's he's not just even you know,
Speaker 1: there was maybe some evidence he was flirting certainly with
Speaker 1: some right wing ideas over the years. He's putting a
Speaker 1: lot of money. We know about this twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars donation. We don't know about the others. We don't
Speaker 1: know where else he's sending money. We know he's sending
Speaker 1: links to like the fucking Right Stuff, which is a
Speaker 1: super fucking fascist podcast, like to their website, to like
Speaker 1: a phrase while he's talking about like race signs. In fact,
Speaker 1: I want to quote Aried Ross wrote a really good
Speaker 1: column on his Medium page about some of Jeffrey's right
Speaker 1: wing connections that summarizes like what happens after this twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars donation because he just gets increasingly pilled
Speaker 1: after this point. The following year, he exchanged emails with
Speaker 1: tech leader Joshua Bach revealing racist sentiments. By this time,
Speaker 1: he was supporting the changing politics of the Silicon Valley
Speaker 1: right wing, including what the Byline Times calls biological hierarchy,
Speaker 1: racial destiny, gender determinism, genetic optimization, population culling, fascism as efficiency.
Speaker 1: We could call this something like a counter revolutionary movement,
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, using the strategies and ideas of the revolutionary
Speaker 1: movement against it. So to put all of this together
Speaker 1: for you. After getting out of jail in twenty ten
Speaker 1: to about twenty sixteen, Jeffrey Epstein gets deeply involved in
Speaker 1: bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole, because he sees it
Speaker 1: as a way to reinvent the financial system and make
Speaker 1: a new form of money decoupled from democratic Western governance.
Speaker 1: He'd become a believer in biological and racial hierarchy and
Speaker 1: had started funding fascist thinkers who supported using the tactics
Speaker 1: of left rowing revolutionary movements to bring down democratic governments.
Speaker 1: All this comes to a head in twenty sixteen after Brexit,
Speaker 1: in a series of celebratory emails between Peter tel and
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. So right after Brexit, Epstein sends an email
Speaker 1: to Peter Teal June twenty six, twenty sixteen, at three
Speaker 1: seventeen am and says, Brexit just the beginning. Teal responds
Speaker 1: a couple hours later by asking of what, and Epstein responds,
Speaker 1: returned to tribalism, counter to globalization, amazing new alliances. You
Speaker 1: and I both agreed zero interest rates were too high,
Speaker 1: and as I said in your office, finding things on
Speaker 1: their way to collapse was much easier than finding the
Speaker 1: next bargain. So Epstein, by this point what he's talking
Speaker 1: with Teal about is you and I have been discussing
Speaker 1: the fact that, like, if we can return to tribalism,
Speaker 1: destroy globalization, destroy the order that exists, destroy this idea
Speaker 1: of liberal democracy, then we can buy all of the
Speaker 1: ass the same way these Russian oligarchs did after the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union collapse. We can buy every public asset that
Speaker 1: exists in a fire sale. We can own everything. Right,
Speaker 1: finding things on their way to collapse is way is
Speaker 1: the best bargain that exists, and I think that ties
Speaker 1: all of this together, the right wing politics, the crypto,
Speaker 1: the fucking getting kids addicted to loop boxes and gambling
Speaker 1: and stuff. All of these interests that Jeffrey has in
Speaker 1: these years are all tied to this destruction of the
Speaker 1: global order, which I think to some extent he saw
Speaker 1: us betraying him. Right. He was a system guy. He
Speaker 1: was friends with presidents and kings and other members of royalty.
Speaker 1: And then he gets convicted of sex crimes and that
Speaker 1: only happened because of these damn women. Because a democracy,
Speaker 1: they got the vote, now, you know. And so he
Speaker 1: and Teal and all these guys like he turns in
Speaker 1: with them, and he's not manipulating Peter Teel. He's not
Speaker 1: the guy who made Teal start thinking about anti democratic bullshit.
Speaker 1: But he gets on board that fairly early, and he
Speaker 1: uses his newfound interest in this stuff to work towards
Speaker 1: the same ends that people like Peter Teel are working towards.
Speaker 1: And he has a lot of influence, and so he
Speaker 1: has a lot of influence on how this whole right
Speaker 1: wing ecosystem and this whole right wing populist movement that's
Speaker 1: going to increasingly be a factor and everyone's lives develops.
Speaker 1: And that's where we are at the end of Part three.
Speaker 2: Jesus Chris good great, I love it. I mean to me,
Speaker 2: the overarching thing that's coalescing is like, why were the
Speaker 2: Why was all the right wing establishments so confident that
Speaker 2: like releasing the Epstein files was some kind of slam dunk,
Speaker 2: Like it's so weird you're in the files so much
Speaker 2: right wing everything.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeps, oh yep, I've been pain. Life is good.
Speaker 5: I guess we should do part four.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, why not?
Speaker 5: Why not?
Speaker 4: All right, We'll be back Thursday, Pain, Yeah, bye bye.
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