WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 062621 ft. Q. Ward and Ramses Ja 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.440 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'my host, rams 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:03.800 is Jah. 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.760 They called me q Ward and I think you guys 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:07.720 know that that's my name. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:11.119 Yes, indeed, back to do it till you want more. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:18.079 Gain a lot to talk about this week, per usual. Unfortunately, 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.280 we have some. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.119 Some things that we really need to discuss as. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:28.600 A community, and certainly to discuss with other communities, minority communities, 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.400 and I thought it was timely that we took it 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.479 a show to discuss what it means to be afraid 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:36.000 of each other. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:36.839 You're full of. 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.320 Each other as minority groups, and you know ways that 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.080 we can strengthen our relationships with each other. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:45.680 So we're definitely going to talk about that. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.800 We're going to talk about an instance in Hawaii where 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.400 a man by the name of Dannie Miyami I believe 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.360 it's how I say his name. His life was taken 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.120 by the police on Honolulu as a result of a 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:04.920 phone call from Asian family that he was afraid he 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:05.679 was a brokeler. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.560 We'll get into that story in just a bit. Later 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:08.920 in the show. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.640 We're going to talk about a Latino man in Las 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.840 Vegas who was randomly. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:21.240 Attacking black folks walking around, and. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.039 We're we're really going to examine what mental illness is 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.839 and what it means to to really love each other 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.520 through these these seem they seem like tragedies. I mean 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.600 in the first intance it certainly was. And how we 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.319 can heal and how we can do better and do 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.759 right by each other. And you know, we also want 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:47.880 to talk about, uh, how to not be so defensive 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.880 and and you know Q mentioned that, you know, we 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.800 should probably relegate that to our become a better ally. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:54.760 Segment of the show. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.040 We're gonna uh talk about Abraham Lincoln, some of the 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:03.320 myths myths about uh our our black savior in this company, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.280 in this country, and uh just kind of really deal 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.480 with the real not not trying to vilify him or anything, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:09.320 but really. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.440 Really educate ourselves. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.400 And educate, you know, our posterity so that we know 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.200 really where we come from, why we're here, and where 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:18.640 we're going. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.040 So Djswell is going to handle our way black history facts. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:26.200 But first all I do is when win win, no 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.560 matter what, I want to talk about our. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:39.839 Avenue excellence. So, uh Mahala Norris heard that name, tell 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.040 me a little bit about mist it. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.440 I will so we have a video of on our 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:49.080 Facebook page. I want to say of a little tiny woman. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:55.160 She's four feet eleven inches tall and she recently won 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.400 the national championship in the three hundred three sorry, the 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.840 three thousand meters steeple chair. Now, I didn't know anything 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.359 about a steeplechase. I didn't know anything about meters or 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.000 running or anything like that. I'm not into sports in 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.800 the way that you are. But once upon a time, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.320 you were a world class runner. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:12.880 Right. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.040 It's weird to say out loud now because I'm super 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.880 duper slow now, but yes, I was a world class 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.760 sprinter and All American sprinter once upon a time. Yeah, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.280 I'm twenty something years ago. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.160 Yeah, but at that time, you were one of the 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.040 five fastest humans on Earth. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.200 One of the six sixth fastest something. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.920 And I'll say this plainly. I was a part of 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:41.000 the sixth fastest relay team of people under the age 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.160 of eighteen, right in the United States. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.520 So this is right up your alley. Well, anyway, our 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.840 Ebony excellence. This week, we wanted to shout out Mahalan Norris, 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.520 so a little bit about her story. She was adopted 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.400 from Partel Prince in Haiti. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.120 I think she's a service member, correct, yep. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.240 So she graduated from the Air Force Academy. Believe it 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.400 or not, she's now in the Space Force. Wow, that's 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.240 a real thing and she's a part of it. So 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.400 you know, hey, kudos. But you know, as I mentioned, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.040 she's four foot eleven and when you watch the video, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.680 it is extremely inspirational. You see this tiny, little black woman. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.440 And I guess the steeplechase lends itself more to taller 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:20.559 folks doing better. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.680 Yeah, And if you don't follow track and field. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.360 First of all, she's the twenty twenty one national champion 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:31.720 at the steeple chase. The steeplechase competition came from in 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:36.520 Europe in yester years. The actual idea of running from 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.920 steeple to steeple, you know, through lakes and ponds. They 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.480 made it into a track and field event and they 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.640 created these man made obstacles to make it a bit 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.480 more difficult. You have to jump over like a horse 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:53.440 barrier and two feet of water. Yeah, and then continue 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.720 to run three thousand meters a lot tougher when you're 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.440 four legs, and it's impossible to seem even when you're 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.880 watching it, there's a moment if you don't know any 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.799 better what it doesn't seem like she would have a chance, 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.880 and she ended up, you know, triumphant at the end 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:07.200 of it. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.679 So definitely check out that video. Again. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.839 Shout out to Mahala Norris for our Ebony excellent section 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:16.680 of the week. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.159 And now. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.560 It's time to get in the meat and the potatoes 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:29.440 of this show. So a little bit about Lindani Miami. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:38.279 So I got this article originally maybe two or three 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.840 months ago in our you know, in our group chat. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.720 We have a group chat for the show where we 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.320 send articles things that we feel need to be discussed, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.640 and at the time, I remember, we weren't able to 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.719 discuss it on the radio because we had so many 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.159 other things to discuss and this wasn't the one that 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.440 was getting the most national attention, and so we really 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.120 needed to speak to what was going on in the world, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.000 and as much as we'd like to highlight things that 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.320 are really important like this, we weren't able to. Well, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:12.520 fortunately this has lingered a bit and some additional footage 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.960 has come out. So what I'll do is I'll kind 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.839 of tell a little bit about the backstory. So basically, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:23.400 what happened is a husband and wife moved to Hawaii. Right, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.960 the man is African, but he lived with his wife 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.000 in Colorado and moved to Hawaii and on the island, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.120 what they would do is they would go to a 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.680 temple to like meditate or pray or whatever the case is. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.000 So the way the story goes, and the way that 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.000 we got the story originally in the group chat was 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.240 that the man went to this to the temple where 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.640 he was attempting to go to the temple, and he 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.960 went at night and he went into the building next door, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.520 which ended up being a private residence, and through a 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.159 series of unfortunate events, the police ended up killing him. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.920 And you know, that's all we knew, right and at 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.320 the time, that's enough for us to you know, demand 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.400 an investigation, find out what's going on, you know, shout 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.200 black lives matter, and kind of bring some attention to 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.560 this because these deaths, as we know and often feel 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:23.320 or feel and often know in the black community, are senseless, unwarranted, 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:30.880 and they kind of desensitize us over the long run 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.560 to black violence, you know, violence against black bodies. And 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.000 I I know that that's true because as I read 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.120 the story. My heart didn't break as much as it 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.160 would have had this been years ago, you know what 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:49.600 I mean. It's like, Okay, I kind of know the 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.040 way the story goes. So I'll read a little bit 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.200 about the story to you, and forgive me. I'm gonna 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.960 I do want to read this. So this comes from 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:04.080 the Atlanta Black Star, and I'll read just a little 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.520 bit from the article. So what happened is a ring 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.880 camera came out and then they released the unredacted police 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.000 camp so you're able to see everything. So allow me 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.720 to describe what happens. So Lendanni Miyani can be seen 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.800 walking up to the residents and stopping to take off 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.000 his shoes, as you do when. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.000 You're going into a temple. Okay, back to the article. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.680 Less than a minute after he enters, Mayanni is seen exiting, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.600 and viewers can hear the woman calling nine to one 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:38.319 one saying he break into my house. As Lendanni appears 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.480 to try to assuage their fears at the front door, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.320 the woman can be heard telling the nine to one 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.080 to one operator that Miyani didn't appear to have any 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.400 weapons and was not behaving aggressively toward the couple. He 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.480 can be seen apologizing to the couple multiple times. Len 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.360 Donnie walks to the patio column where he left his 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.000 shoes and puts them on at he leaves the residents, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.640 apologizing one final time. And I'm skipping over parts of 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.079 this to get through real quick. But there's a part 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.200 I skipped over, and he says he actually asked to 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.079 see the phone. The woman's on the phone with nine 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:12.480 one one as he's leaving. He asked to see the 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.760 phone to let them know. I'm assuming you know, he 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.920 can't tell his story anymore because he's probably buried somewhere. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:20.640 Okay. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.080 A quote from the lawyers who released the video said, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.199 Honolulu police quote tried to convince the public that this 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.800 was a burglary and that Lendonni Miami was acting erradically, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.320 But the doorbell video we have now obtained from the 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.360 owner shows that HPD knew all along these stories were untrue. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.920 The ring footage end quote. The ring footage next depicts 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.320 the woman walking back and forth through the door of 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.559 the residence, telling the nine to one one dispatcher how 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.400 fearful she is of Lundani. Well after he walked away 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.040 from the residence to his car, a frantic call that 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.840 culminated with her screaming that's him, as she pointed out 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:03.000 Lendanni to arriving police. And now's the unredacted bodycam. The 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.480 footage shows the officers Confrontinglendanni, who had remained in his 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.559 car nearby. The three cops run toward him, yelling get 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.000 on the ground now, to which Lendanni, now out of 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.600 his car, responds, who are you. The shaky bodycam video 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:20.040 shows a scuffle start within seconds, a taser deployed, then 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.760 someone yells shoot him before a shot rings out. Another 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.520 voice is heard yelling fu, followed by three more gun 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.800 shots and only then an officer yelling police. So they 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.360 executed him without even identifying who they were. And I'm 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:42.320 almost done. The police account of the incident on April fourteenth, 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.080 outside of the house, it says outside the house, he 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.280 ignored commands to get on the ground and physically attacked officers. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.000 Leaving one with a concussion. So that's what the police 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:51.640 said happened. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.520 And of course the video shows that the police rushed them, 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.720 shot him, and then identified themselves. 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:58.600 And then. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:05.439 This is a letter from his widow, who's a white woman. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.160 I'm not sure if that matters, but I want to 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:19.319 say that because it's people like her that I feel 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:24.920 like they are entitled to experience this trauma with us, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.200 with black folks. You know, she's she's obviously fell in 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.439 love with this man, her futures tied to this man's future, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.760 and so forth, And I just. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.080 Think it's important to mention that. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.240 Lindsay Mayani alleges that police reaction was motivated by racial 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.080 discriminations towards people of mister Miyani's African descent, and has 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.320 filed a lawsuit against the City of Honolulu. The widow 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.240 claims she spoke with her husband earlier that evening and 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.480 believes he mistook the residence for a hare Krishna temple 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.959 located next to the residence. He entered because Lindani was 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.960 wearing his a tradition old Zulu men's headband and took 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.520 his shoes off at the door. Lindsey feels he entered 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.840 the home with respectful intentions and serves as proof he 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.840 made a mistake. Harry Krishna, Is that how you say that? 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.760 Harry Christian? Okay, sorry about that. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.480 One more thing I want to say is that in 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.760 the first article I read a couple of months ago. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.199 She mentioned that the two of them, her and her husband, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:31.400 went to that temple prior to that and worshiped there together. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.720 And so he was returning there to worship again by himself, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.800 hit the wrong door and then ultimately that and probably 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.120 was confused outside on in his car trying to figure 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:42.200 out where he was supposed to be. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.840 Who knows, please show up, you know, and then the 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.959 story goes away. It goes. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:54.240 Now, of course, we need to talk about, you know, 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.880 the police interaction, and we need to talk about, you know, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.440 why people shouldn't be victim blamed and how police stories 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.080 like this tend to paint the police always says the 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.280 good guys, or paint the police as the victims and 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.840 paint oftentimes black and brown individuals as the aggressors and 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.240 so forth. And there's one hundred things wrong with this. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:22.960 But for today's episode, I wanted to talk specifically about 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.840 the couple that called the police. This is not an 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.640 old white couple. This seems to be an old Asian couple. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:40.120 And I feel like, especially after the year that we've had, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:45.080 especially after locking arms with our Asian brothers and sisters, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:50.680 that this gives a certain faction of the population cause 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:55.480 to say, oh, they're not with us, right. You know, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.959 I grew up in California, and there's a lot of 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.880 Asian folks in California, and a lot of those Asian 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.960 folks coming to California, and they build their infrastructure and 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:06.840 how they their their revenue streams right. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.120 In poor black neighborhoods. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:14.240 And there is a history of black folks and Asian 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.640 folks not really treating each other all that well. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:18.600 Being in the same environment. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:24.440 Some folks feel like it's disrespectful and exploit exploitative, and 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.920 some folks feel it's just enterprise. And we're doing our best. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.680 We're in the same boat, you know, we're trying to 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.680 get out of it. But the fact of the matter 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.080 is that I've seen this before, and it's our job 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.880 to speak to what we could be, where we could be. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.160 And I think that this story that we just read 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:48.960 is based in fear and stereotypes and ultimately resulted in 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.040 someone another person losing his life. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.960 Always, and I've spoken, you know, to our audience, and 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.640 we've spoken to each other about this before. I always 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:05.000 have a something that gives me pause when we get 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.080 to give people to get out of jail free card 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:15.160 of fear. I think sometimes it's hate, sure, maybe, And 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:22.160 when people who don't like people based on their ethnicity 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:27.240 or the color of their skin weaponize what they call 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:33.760 fear simply as a way to justifiably hate and hold 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:38.200 down and in a lot of cases kill people they 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:43.760 just don't like. And because everything that you said, the 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.120 video of the phone call, he's not acting aggressive, he 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.880 doesn't have a websit, he has regressed, he has left, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:57.240 he's but we're still acting frantically afraid, knowing the type 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:02.320 of response that elicits from law enforcement who seemingly, by 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.080 training and by their very nature, don't like people that 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.840 look like us anyway. Yeah, this guy never no matter 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.400 what ethnicity the officers are. That's fair too, because. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.480 That's something that we don't always point out. It's not 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.760 you know, white cops. Officers don't like it. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.240 It's cops. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.240 So she knows what she's doing when she's making it 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.000 her business to keep saying that's him and I'm afraid, 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.440 and when there's nothing, there's no actual reason. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.160 For her to feel that way. So I don't I 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.840 don't know that that's actual fear. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.600 I think that's a way of weaponizing your hate in 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.400 a way that doesn't paint you out to be the 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:43.000 bad guy. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.720 That's fair, that's that's that's I think that's more than fair. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:52.600 But what I think I'm trying to establish here is 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:58.840 that even if it is hate, it's taught. And we're 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.280 speaking about an Asian cup well, so Asian folks, some 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.639 of them really do fit that stereotype, harmful stereotype of 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.879 the quote model minority. And if you do fit that 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:17.840 harmful stereotype, there's a chance that you culturally and certainly 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:25.080 economically identify more with wealthier white folks in this country. Right, 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.240 And so this is why you get this sort of 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:34.320 Karen esque behavior out of an Asian woman. But what 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.159 I don't want to have happen is articles like this 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.080 get too far away from us, even if the woman 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.520 is white. You know, on this show, we talk about 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.479 it all the time. And if you listen to us 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.400 every week, you know that we talk about it even 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:46.080 if you're white. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.680 You are our sister, you're our brother. That's just how 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.080 we feel about it. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:52.879 And we're going to even if you don't agree with 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.720 that statement, I know that we're going to get there. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.800 It might not be in your lifetime, but we'll get there. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.520 That's what propels that's what fuels me to come to 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:02.160 come and do the show. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.119 Everything. I love and appreciate my brother's hopefulness. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:15.840 But it's it's particularly it's it's a particularly unusual situation 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.080 when the when the person is also a minority, the 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.880 person causing harm, because you would think you would assume 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.439 that you identify with discrimination. You understand what that's like. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.199 You understand how a mistake can get you beat up 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.359 or hurt or whatever. You know, a common human mistake. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.360 It's an error. I'm not from you. I just moved 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.840 to Hawaii. I'm trying to go to church or temple, 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.480 and I walked in the wrong door. The evil oppressor 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.040 is also brilliant. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:48.320 And the ideology and the psychology that goes behind another 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:52.160 minority feeling that model minority, or that sense of superiority 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:57.080 that's ingrained, like you said, it's taught, and the fact 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:04.280 that it's so and rooted and cultures everywhere and has 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:10.200 sustained for this long shows the brilliance of the ideology 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:15.119 really convinced groups, subgroups everywhere that there is a superior subgroup. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.520 We're the superior main group, but you're a part of 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.040 the superior subgroup. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.280 And they're not. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.119 So they're beneath you, and you should keep them there 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.000 because if they somehow grow or have any type of prosperity, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.760 it's going to harm yours. It's going to take away 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.199 from yours. As a matter of fact, the hardships that 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.040 you've had have been. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.159 Because of these people. How about that? 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.400 And if they could just if they could just pull 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:49.199 themselves up by their bootstraps, then they could be just 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.440 success as successful as you, and then by nature you 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.920 can be just as successful as us. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:02.240 That isn't masterful, uh, manipulation of a group of people. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.680 And I know that on this show we often paint 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.760 with broad strokes, and we have to and I do 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.720 recognize that there's it's not that cut and dry. There's 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.280 a lot of little things that go into that. But 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:19.600 you know, we've chronicled, actual, documented, written into law discrimination 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:25.840 where Asian people have been named in this country federally. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.000 And so from where we sit, for those of us 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.200 who actually know the history in this country and really 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.520 recognize that we do all rise together in solidarity, we 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:43.439 recognize that these systems exist and they thrive off of 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.560 us bickering and arguing with each. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:46.520 Other on this level. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.080 And I in no way want to make an excuse 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:53.600 for this behavior. 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.560 We do need to talk about it, I do. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.840 We did really need to mention this on the show, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.119 because you know, there's another human being who who had 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.919 a life ahead of him with his new bride. You know, 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.760 we've heard stories that there's countless stories of people getting 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.640 killed on the way to or from church, so this 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.320 is nothing new, unfortunately, but killed while attending church. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.080 That too, you know. But this. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.600 Certainly helps us too. And you know, I remember seeing 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.760 a video too, I want to be fair. I remember 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.480 seeing a video and it broke my heart. There was 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.520 a man who was walking in front of a hotel 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:32.920 and there was a woman in front of the Asian woman. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:38.320 She was older, defenseless and kicked her. Yeah, so beat 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:39.919 her up, kicked her and then they just shut the 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:41.240 door of the hotel and didn't even help her. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.639 It was the saddest thing in the world. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:47.760 And that grown men watched that happen to her and 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.080 didn't do closed the door to make sure that they 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.719 weren't a part of it. Yeah, the solution or what 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.640 they perceived to be the problem exactly. 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.080 That has nothing to do with us. 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.320 So I reckonize that this is not a one way thing. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.720 There's two We're all in this together, and we all 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.639 need to figure it out together. But you know, I 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.760 guess what I would say is that if you are 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:18.840 in a household and your parents or your grandparents or 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:25.719 whatever have some prejudices against some other folks, you know, 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:27.639 or even if you it doesn't have to be your 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.760 parents or grandparents. Don't have to be older people. This 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.119 is what we're talking about in these instances, but it 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:38.880 could be younger people too. You can change those people's 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.320 minds before they get to the point where they're going 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.880 full Karen, before they're calling the police, before they're letting 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.720 their fear whether or not it actually is that turn 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:53.000 into what we would both understands hatred. We would all 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.520 understand his hatred, because I think that those are really 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.600 two sides of the same coin. You know, there's an 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.120 excellent quote from Nas. I'm glad we're on the hip 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.359 hop station, but Nas, I'm a little older than a 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.359 lot of our listeners. But you know, Na's one of 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.440 the great MC's of all time. He says, people fear 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.199 what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer. 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.440