WEBVTT - Part Four: The RFK Jr. Episodes

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's a podcast. It's happening to your ears

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<v Speaker 2>right now. How can this be? Who did this to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this happening? Where is this happening. It's happening

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<v Speaker 2>now here in your ears.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Robert Vins.

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<v Speaker 2>This is behind the Bastards, Cody Johnston with me in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio, which is not a literal studio, but a

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<v Speaker 2>metaphorical studio, a mind palace, studio that exists purely in

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<v Speaker 2>the space between our third eyes. Cody, how are you feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling great in our shared studio, the studio of

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<v Speaker 3>our hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's how we met each other. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>a Jedi thing, you know, years before we started working

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<v Speaker 2>at Cracked in our mind studio recording our mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't it a website at that point?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, there weren't websites.

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<v Speaker 3>There weren't websites. We still had that meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we knew each other in the womb, the creative womb. Cody.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling about r fks into Part four?

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<v Speaker 3>God, I'm not confident in his ability.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think this is going to turn out good?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. Man, it doesn't bode Well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we boy. There wasn't a lot of fun stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in part three, but there he was still like you

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<v Speaker 2>could believe at least at points like, well, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like he's doing better than a lot of Kennedy's are.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an element of tragedy to him that gives

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<v Speaker 2>you some sympathy. All of that's about to get flushed

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<v Speaker 2>down the toilet, Cody. We are now at the part

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<v Speaker 2>where he kills hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, Zah, I didn't We did it, Joe, we did it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what else? We just did Robert Open, We.

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<v Speaker 2>Did the Cold Open. We're done, We're back, We're warmed up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about RFK plunging into the last chapter of

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<v Speaker 2>the RFK Saga, Yeah, RFK Junior saga. By the very

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<v Speaker 2>start of the aughts, RFK Junior seemed to finally have

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<v Speaker 2>started figuring out his life and to have moved into

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<v Speaker 2>a better place in public. He was a respected environmental

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer and assumed Democratic Party stalwart. Oppenheimer's book includes several

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<v Speaker 2>quotes from members of the family who are like, again,

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<v Speaker 2>thank god he didn't get into politics. He might actually

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<v Speaker 2>be happy now, right, He's got a chance, but behind

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<v Speaker 2>his image, Bobby was not the man that his fans

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<v Speaker 2>or the country hoped. In twenty ten, he started dating

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<v Speaker 2>actor Cheryl Hines of Curb Your Enthusiasm fame. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>with this is that he was still married to his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Richardson now RFK Junior head. Up to that point

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<v Speaker 2>had a tumultuous love life. He had married his first wife, Emily,

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<v Speaker 2>and had a child with her in nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>They broke up later that same year. I assume his

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<v Speaker 2>rampant cheting was a significant part of that, because that

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<v Speaker 2>is a through line his entire life as a person

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<v Speaker 2>who is in relationships. He and Emily, Yeah, it seems reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>So he and Emily break up the same year that

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<v Speaker 2>they have their first kid, and he immediately gets married

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<v Speaker 2>again to Mary Richardson. Now, Mary is a successful architect.

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<v Speaker 2>She is someone who has you know, done very well

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<v Speaker 2>on her own. But she is also what has been

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<v Speaker 2>described as a Kennedy super fan. Right, she fucking love right,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's good. That's not great, that's not great. She's

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<v Speaker 2>been obsessed with the family from a young age and

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<v Speaker 2>she no.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, sorry, Cody, this story doesn't end well, and she

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<v Speaker 2>eventually she made friends with one of Bobby's relatives. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how she and Bobby meet, and they have four kids together.

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<v Speaker 2>After they get hitched. The two are together a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>almost twenty years, but those are not happy years. Mary

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<v Speaker 2>battles anarexia. She had battled anarexia earlier in her life.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time they get together, she's on this carousel

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<v Speaker 2>of medications and therapy that are not always good for

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<v Speaker 2>her mental health. She struggles with depression and Bobby's constant

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<v Speaker 2>cheating does not help with that. Turns out that does

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<v Speaker 2>not make your depression better. Who could have guessed right?

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<v Speaker 2>She'll go into these spirals that can last days or weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of this is not known at the

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<v Speaker 2>time of the writing of books like After Camelot, which

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<v Speaker 2>cites Bobby's claims about Mary's drinking and her regular violent outbursts.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you just were to have gotten from the

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<v Speaker 2>book After Camelot, you would assume, well, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a bad marriage, and Bobby certainly probably did some

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<v Speaker 2>things wrong, but this lady was kind of out of

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<v Speaker 2>control and aggressive, and like, poor guy, what else could

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<v Speaker 2>he have done? Right? There's no living in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it would have seemed like from some of

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<v Speaker 2>the early reporting on it. Now, more modern reporting, the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff coming out now blames Bobby basically for everything that

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<v Speaker 2>went wrong in this marriage. So, you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things where you kind of have two versions

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<v Speaker 2>of this story, and one Bobby is mostly a victim.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a man trapped in an abusive marriage to a

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<v Speaker 2>woman struggling with substance abuse issues and prone to violence.

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<v Speaker 2>The other version of the story is that Mary is

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<v Speaker 2>somebody with some substance abuse issues, but she is also

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who is constantly discovering her husband cheating on her,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes by sexually harassing and assaulting very young women. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she hits him sometimes, but she hits them in part

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<v Speaker 2>because she is finding out about these really terrible, unforgivable

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<v Speaker 2>things that he's done, and she's breaking down right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know is a different picture than just well,

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<v Speaker 2>she's so out of control because she's depressed that Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't couldn't stand it anymore, Right, Bobby's a much more

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<v Speaker 2>active participant in the modern the others of the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are reasons for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the behavior now to be clear, the couple's children.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also you know, I do think some of

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<v Speaker 2>the modern versions of the story have sought to allied

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<v Speaker 2>Mary of some of her responsibility, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's entirely accurate, because the couple's kids testify about her outbursts,

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<v Speaker 2>which are bad enough that when the divorce process starts

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten, she's denied unmediated access to the kids. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>because she is not in control of herself to an extent,

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<v Speaker 2>that is problematic. Right, But all of the times that

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<v Speaker 2>she allegedly struck Bobby are not just examples of her

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<v Speaker 2>being abusive. They're violent reactions to some pretty horrific abusive

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<v Speaker 2>behavior on Bobby's part, And so you get passages like

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<v Speaker 2>this and after Camelot quote based on a sworn affidavit

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby filed in Westchester County's New York Supreme Court on

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<v Speaker 2>September sixteenth, twenty eleven. He had been victimized by Mary

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<v Speaker 2>for many years, to the extent that physical abuse was involved.

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<v Speaker 2>He testified that early in his marriage to Mary, the

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<v Speaker 2>two had a blazing argument over his continued friendship with

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<v Speaker 2>his first wife, Emily, during which Mary hit me in

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<v Speaker 2>the face with her fist. She was a trained boxer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got a shiner. Her engagement ring crushed my

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<v Speaker 2>tear duct, causing permanent damage. He testified that she asked

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<v Speaker 2>him to lighter her family about the cause of his

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<v Speaker 2>black eye. He also testified to a time in May

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven when Mary ran over and killed the family's

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<v Speaker 2>dog in the driveway. She asked the couple's youngest son,

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<v Speaker 2>Aiden to call Bobby and give him the news. When

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<v Speaker 2>he asked the crying child to put his mother on

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<v Speaker 2>the line, according to Bobby's testimony, Mary demanded that he

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<v Speaker 2>come to the house and spend the night there in

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<v Speaker 2>order to help her calm down the children. When he hesitated,

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<v Speaker 2>she became set and said that if he didn't recommit

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<v Speaker 2>to the marriage and call off the divorce, she would

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<v Speaker 2>kill herself.

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<v Speaker 1>So the family dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she meant to, but maybe maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>try to get Bobby back, like it's just a bad

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bad time. Those poor kids, right, those poor kids. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier that a lot of writing on the

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedys is of mixed providence. A lot of it's tabloid

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<v Speaker 2>level kind of shit. One of these tabloid level things.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a book called Ask Not the Kennedys and the

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<v Speaker 2>Women They Destroyed That that title is just a little

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, exploited if to me. This book was

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<v Speaker 2>published before though most of the allegations against RFK came out,

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<v Speaker 2>was before his presidential run and whatever. And the author

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<v Speaker 2>Mariene Callahan claims that the whole horrible story of Mary

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the dog with her car happens right after she

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<v Speaker 2>finds out about yet another affair. Marine writes that she

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<v Speaker 2>was quote so hysterical that she'd run out of the house,

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<v Speaker 2>gotten in her car, backed out of the driveway, and

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<v Speaker 2>accidentally run over and killed Portsie, the family dog. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the pieces of this story were around in

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<v Speaker 2>the after Camelot days. You just had to poke a

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<v Speaker 2>bit at the edges of the stuff in the mainstream reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's even this passage and after Camelot that includes

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<v Speaker 2>a quote from Mary during one of her fights with Bobby.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a demon. He is a demon. He is

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<v Speaker 2>the most evil kind of man in the world. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>he does is evil and a fraud. He's a philanderer,

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<v Speaker 2>an adulterer, a sex addict.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that seems exactcurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is a Bobby. This is the Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>that exists while he's doing all this wonderful stuff at Riverkeeper,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, while he's staying sober like this is he's,

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<v Speaker 2>among other.

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<v Speaker 3>Things, Kennedy stuff, Kennedy stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Kennedy stuff. And you know his wife was somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who had pre existing mental health issues in this just

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely demolished. Yeah right, Yeah. Callahan claims that Bobby tried

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<v Speaker 2>to get a therapist to diagnose his wife in order

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<v Speaker 2>to like for the court process, right, so that he

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<v Speaker 2>could he would he could basically cut her out of

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<v Speaker 2>having access to the kids. Yeah, and that's you'll hear

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<v Speaker 2>a lot that she had BPD, that she was a

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<v Speaker 2>borderline personality disorder. That maybe where the claims of BPD

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<v Speaker 2>came in. There's allegations that Bobby basically shopped around for

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor. The therapist who spoke to Callahan and said

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<v Speaker 2>that he tried to get them to diagnose his wife

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<v Speaker 2>basically suggests that yeah, this is this is something he

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<v Speaker 2>did for the divorce. He may have basically been bribing

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<v Speaker 2>medical professionals. You know, those are allegations made. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>speak to their veracity. Here's the next part of that story, though,

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<v Speaker 2>as reported in an article recently published in Vanity Fair,

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<v Speaker 2>after Kennedy left her, Richardson proposed that she live in

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<v Speaker 2>the guest house while Kennedy and Hines lived in the

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<v Speaker 2>main house, and that she keep the Kennedy name. He declined,

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<v Speaker 2>and then tried to avoid paying her child support, using

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<v Speaker 2>his brain fog as a medical excuse for alleged financial straits. Richardson,

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<v Speaker 2>her behavior, increasingly erratic, eventually lost custody of the children

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<v Speaker 2>to Kennedy. The Kennedy family, including Kerrie, who had once

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<v Speaker 2>been like a sister to Richardson, began to distance themselves

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<v Speaker 2>from her. On May sixteenth, twenty twelve, Richardson's housekeeper discovered

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<v Speaker 2>Richardson hanging from the rafters in the barn.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's bleak. It's a bleak story.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really bleak.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh boy, hard I had to laugh on a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast about Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure what to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just devastating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, several series of events, and I said, it's poor kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Mary's family describe RFK Junior's behavior as psychological torture,

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<v Speaker 2>and they even try to do a wrongful death suit. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know was he intending to hurt her? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have evidence of that certainly, but his behavior

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<v Speaker 2>is like would inevitably cause harm?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well it's not. It doesn't need to be intentional.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like that's how he's been hit, how he

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<v Speaker 3>is in his life, floating through it. Yeah, treating people

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<v Speaker 3>in this way, and yeah, doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Other people aren't real, YadA YadA, right right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So Bobby and their kids make the decision to have

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<v Speaker 2>Mary buried on Kennedy Land, not the place your family

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<v Speaker 2>had requested it as a burial plot, And eight months later,

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby made the decision to have his ex wife exhumed

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<v Speaker 2>and reburied away from everyone else. Very unclear as to why. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a weird thing and I don't see any good

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<v Speaker 2>explanation for this. The author of After Camelot describes this

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<v Speaker 2>as like a bleak coda to her whole life story.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Mary had always been a lonely person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is right, it is like, yeah, yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just wants to keep her away, even in death, from

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<v Speaker 2>her family, from everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Was it was she relocated to where she was

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<v Speaker 3>originally requested to be.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no, why what it's unclear? Unclear?

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<v Speaker 3>That's so weird. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The the author of After Camelot is basically like

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<v Speaker 2>Mary had always been lonely, and now he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>keep her away even further, you know, even in death.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So he did it for the poetry, like what like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he did it for the poetry, just like Byron,

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<v Speaker 2>Just like uh, just like Byron.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so all right, great, weird weird move Bobby, like

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<v Speaker 3>weird one, what the fuck? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The initial stages of divorce proceedings is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that we get Bobby Kennedy making any claims about

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<v Speaker 2>having a worm in his brain. And you saw earlier

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<v Speaker 2>right that he's like, well, I can't pay because my

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<v Speaker 2>brain fog. I fucked up the finances because my brain

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work anymore because a worm made part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that this comes out he is repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>lying to his wife and to this, you know, allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>lying to this divorce court and is actively divorcing her

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<v Speaker 2>has led a number of folks to question if the

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<v Speaker 2>brainworm stuff is true. I think there's enough evidence in

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<v Speaker 2>here that it's plausible that he has a brain but.

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<v Speaker 3>It's unclear what period of time he got because it

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<v Speaker 3>could have been literally any moment of his life. But

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<v Speaker 3>he's definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>He's eating bush meat, which is always it's a situation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's uh, it's it's believable. Yeah, he's placed himself in it.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be, could be, could be, could be.

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<v Speaker 2>But just because the brainworm is likely doesn't mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>always been honest about how he got it. As you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of insinuated. In that twenty twelve deposition, Kennedy said

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<v Speaker 2>that he had suffered from cognitive issues that had reduced

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<v Speaker 2>his earning power. He claimed his doctors initially saw they

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<v Speaker 2>saw a shadow on his brain right, that is the worm,

0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.480
<v Speaker 2>but they thought it was like a tumor maybe, And

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<v Speaker 2>he had a planned operation at Duke, but he got

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<v Speaker 2>a He says he got to call it from a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor at the last minute who was like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a parasite. But in a YouTube interview the day

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<v Speaker 2>after this story broke into the mainstream, he gave a

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<v Speaker 2>different version of events, where a random Irish doctor encountered

0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.320
<v Speaker 2>him and saw his X rays and was like, no, no, no,

0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think this merit surgery. We just have to

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<v Speaker 2>wait to see if it gets better. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>something else. Anyway, It doesn't matter which version of events

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<v Speaker 2>is true, just that like they're kind of different. He

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<v Speaker 2>can't keep his story straight in public. Maybe because the

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<v Speaker 2>brain worm that ate part of his brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, the part that remembers where you got the

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<v Speaker 3>brain worm was destroyed by the brain worm.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the first part that the brain worm. If

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<v Speaker 2>you know, straight for that part, it goes straight for

0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the part of the brain that remembers you have a brain.

0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.240
<v Speaker 3>They don't want they don't want you to know where

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<v Speaker 3>you got it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you won't get it again, right, right, They

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<v Speaker 2>want you to keep getting those brain worms. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>they breathe exactly. Now, it doesn't really matter, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which of these slightly different versions of events is true.

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<v Speaker 2>What matters is that, Yeah, he's not keeping his story

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<v Speaker 2>straight in public. It's worth noting that, in response to

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<v Speaker 2>widespread mirth about his literal brainworms, Bobby wrote this on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>I offer to eat five for brainworms and still beat

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump and President Biden in a debate. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>confident in the result even with a six worm handicap.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the better tweets honestly that I love seeing that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the best thing he could post it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it really is very funny.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so good and true, like not on like being

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<v Speaker 3>correct about the issues, but in his ability to like communicate.

0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.040
<v Speaker 3>I think I think you can kind of nail his

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<v Speaker 3>confidence there.

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<v Speaker 1>What's extra funny, Robert, is you were writing this while

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<v Speaker 1>we were sitting in the RNC convention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't disagree. I didn't disagree.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that. Up to this point, most of the

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<v Speaker 2>bastardry in Bobby's life has been confined to his personal life,

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<v Speaker 2>with the notable exception of intervening in the Escape murder trial.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the early aughts, starting a few years before

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<v Speaker 2>Mary's death, Bobby began to get increasingly involved with the

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<v Speaker 2>movement that would lead him to causing the greatest amount

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<v Speaker 2>of harm so far that he has caused to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The genesis of the problem started with his work at

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<v Speaker 2>water Keeper. This is a different environmental nonprofit from river Keeper,

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<v Speaker 2>one that focuses on drinking water and fighting back against

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<v Speaker 2>corporate pollution of water sources. Some of the cases Bobby

0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.520
<v Speaker 2>was involved and were focused on mercury levels and migratory fish,

0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and this led to him studying and reading about the

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<v Speaker 2>health consequences of exposure to various chemicals, including mercury. Now,

0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.320
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to get exposed to mercury. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>great for you. I don't know. I know that you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're a big mercury guy, but I worry about you.

0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.399
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's not it's not good for you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>less of an health tonic than you might think.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not good for other people, and I don't recommend

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<v Speaker 3>it to other people. But I no problem so far.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well I'm and fine, it's my speak is good.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't whatever you said that I remember, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't Why don't you murk out and our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>and also take the capitalist equivalent of mercury, which is mercury,

0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's also the products and service sports podcast. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it is just mercury. We're back. God. I love mercury.

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I like the way it moves like that. I do

0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.600
<v Speaker 2>too taste. Yeah, somebody doesn't like mercury and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like mercury in part because he thinks it's in vaccines,

0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and he thinks that like there's like trace different kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of chemicals and vaccines, but like in levels that are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be a health threat. You know. It's

0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.159
<v Speaker 2>like you shouldn't have too much energy, but it's in

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<v Speaker 2>your oxygen.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be okay in the area. Yeah. Yeah, I assume

0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.919
<v Speaker 3>they would go like, oh, that's too much mercury. We

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't pump people full of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, they're aware this is not really a problem,

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.439
<v Speaker 2>but Bobby becomes convinced that he is that it is.

0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.719
<v Speaker 2>And Bobby is not a doctor. Again, he is a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not surprising that years of focusing on chemical

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.399
<v Speaker 2>exposure and waterways might have transferred over to other things.

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<v Speaker 2>Because while he is kind of obsessively fighting and reading

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<v Speaker 2>about all of this mercury poisoning, he and Mary have

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<v Speaker 2>their first son, Connor, and Connor has a soy and

0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.720
<v Speaker 2>peanut allergy. These are serious allergies, and you know, RFK Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>given all of the family members that have died, is

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<v Speaker 2>a man who was primed to be extra upset about

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<v Speaker 2>this and perhaps unreasonably obsessed with why it had happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So he dedicates himself to figuring out a reason why,

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<v Speaker 2>and he lands on mercury exposure as the cause of

0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Connor's allergies. Right, that this is because he's obsessively reading

0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.440
<v Speaker 2>about and fighting with corporations about mercury exposure and waterways,

0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.520
<v Speaker 2>his son gets an allergy. And there is a belief

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<v Speaker 2>among certain weird health anti vax types that mercury exposure

0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:30.239
<v Speaker 2>in vaccines causes allergies in children. Right, this is a

0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.720
<v Speaker 2>this has existed for more than twenty years now, this

0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.679
<v Speaker 2>belief that like these trace chemicals in vaccines are causing

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.840
<v Speaker 2>our kids to get develop weird allergies. Because it can't

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<v Speaker 2>my son who has this potentially life threatening allergy. That

0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.160
<v Speaker 2>scares me. It can't just be because some kids have allergies.

0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 2>There has to be a reason, right, There has to

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<v Speaker 2>be something I can crusade against.

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:51.760
<v Speaker 3>The right I was gonna say, like, this needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be some like entity that I can actually go after,

0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Like it can't just be like, oh that happens. No,

0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.360
<v Speaker 3>I have a focus, I have a target. I can

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<v Speaker 3>use the power of the Kennedys to destroy that target.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to make it clear that this is

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<v Speaker 2>vigorously disproved nonsense. I found a twenty twenty three study

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.920
<v Speaker 2>published by the Japan Environment Children's Study Group. They collected

0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and explored data for more than ninety four thousand mother

0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.920
<v Speaker 2>infant pairs and looked at how prenatal metallic element exposure

0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 2>might correlate to food allergies. To make a long story short,

0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.280
<v Speaker 2>that concluded, quote, no association was found between prenatal mercury

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.440
<v Speaker 2>or manganese exposure and the risk of allergic diseases. Right,

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.280
<v Speaker 2>that's a very large study. It's not the only thing

0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you can find on the subject. But there is no

0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.480
<v Speaker 2>evidence that this is a thing at all, and in fact,

0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty strong evidence that it's not. But Bobby believes in it. Right,

0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.960
<v Speaker 2>And one of our sources on how kind of obsessed

0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.560
<v Speaker 2>he is with mercury poisoning during the kind of early

0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>to mid auts is Cooney, that babysitter he harassed who

0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 2>told Vanity Fair that he told her Connor's allergies were

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:04.040
<v Speaker 2>likely because of vaccines he'd received that had mercury in them.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Kennedy has claimed later in other writings

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<v Speaker 2>that right around the same time he starts meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>groups of mothers who start handing him research about like

0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>mercury in the MMR vaccine and how it's causing autism, right,

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the original Facebook group, Yeah, the originals, like a mom

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.919
<v Speaker 2>handing you a sheef of paper she printed out. You know,

0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:27.560
<v Speaker 2>he becomes acquainted with Andrew Wakefield and Wakefield's absolutely disgraced

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.119
<v Speaker 2>study that was published in like nineteen ninety eight. But

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously the fact that this is all nonsense

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.959
<v Speaker 2>and that Wakefield is completely disgraced eventually from it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>stop him from becoming you know, famous among a whole

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.480
<v Speaker 2>host of Hollywood weirdos like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey,

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.919
<v Speaker 2>and obviously Bobby Kennedy is right there in the center

0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 2>of it. This is the kind of cause that Bobby

0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.880
<v Speaker 2>like loves to drag himself towards. You know, he's he's

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.119
<v Speaker 2>a Kennedy, so he's not the little guy, but he

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.400
<v Speaker 2>gets to be the little guy when he's fighting these

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 2>big corporate polls or when he's dealing with you know,

0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 2>this vaccine conspiracy that's getting mercury into kids, right he

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.959
<v Speaker 2>and because he's you know, the Kennedy that he is,

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 2>he always has access to the news media even when

0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>he shouldn't. He's friends with the publisher of Rolling Stone

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 2>at the time, Jan Winner, and he gets a Winner

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.760
<v Speaker 2>to agree along with the editors of Salon to let

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.480
<v Speaker 2>him co publish a story to copholish the story he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about vaccines, which is basically him repeating Wakefield's research.

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 2>So he gets he gets Rolling Stone and Salon to

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 2>dual publish an article written by him in twenty eleven

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 2>about how vaccines cause autism. Uh, and they you know,

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.080
<v Speaker 2>they have since retracted the paper because of fucking course,

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 2>But the fact that it gets out there at all,

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>it's evidence that just by being a Kennedy he gets

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<v Speaker 2>to like skip the line, right he is. He's not

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 2>just a guy who gets He often gets portrayed as

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.720
<v Speaker 2>just another anti vaxer who got wrapped up in this.

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 2>No no, no, he is how anti vax he's part

0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:58.879
<v Speaker 2>a big part of how it breaks containment.

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<v Speaker 3>The name he uses to because it would have had

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<v Speaker 3>like some editors going through it, yeah, with like rigorous

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.120
<v Speaker 3>like actually like looking at like fact checking and stuff

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 3>and like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is who the fuck is this guy?

0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, we're not going to publish this, but it's Kennedy,

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 3>so you just publish that. Sure.

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 2>One thing I find myself explaining to a lot of

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 2>liberals in the modern era is how they'll hear about

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 2>like organic food hippies or like crystal healing types who

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 2>have gone hard maga and be like, well, those guys

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>are like left weirdos, right, Like those guys are weirdos

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>who are on our side of things, right, That's how

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 2>it's always been, And Kennedy is a big Bobby Kennedy

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.439
<v Speaker 2>is pulls them out of the left. He is a

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 2>big part of that, right because there's so much gravity

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.679
<v Speaker 2>to the Kennedy name. As he comes sailing over that

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 2>political divideline in our society, he pulls a huge chunk

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of like the weird left with him because he's still

0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.640
<v Speaker 2>this guy who celebrated in progressive circles for his work

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and environmental law. So when he takes gets to anti vacshit,

0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 2>it has a big impact.

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He also like it's sort of grants like validity

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 3>to it. Yeah, even if you weren't like doing all

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 3>this publishing stuff and like actually like getting the bad

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.120
<v Speaker 3>information out there, he's still just sort of saying like, yeah,

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I believe this and I'm mc kennedy, therefore you can

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 3>and like it's sort of like give these people that

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 3>can have these sort of contradictory positions and like have

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's it's a

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:23.959
<v Speaker 3>real phenomenon.

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's real, and it's cool and it's good. Yeah.

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all that.

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Bobby is an important part of the journey of

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a chunk of you know, fringe kind of WU culture

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 2>over to the right because the myth of the Kennedy

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 2>family is a huge deal for everyone in society. Right,

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>there's a guy, to go back to the Trump shooting

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 2>in the when he gets shot, there's a dude standing

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 2>directly behind him that thousands of QAnon believers think is

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 2>literally John F. Kennedy Junior in disguise because JFK Junior

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 2>s didn't die in the plane crash. He's hiding. He's

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 2>waiting to Corain King or some shit. Yeah, and that guy,

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 2>that fake Kennedy is standing directly behind Trump when he

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 2>gets shot at because why not, why not? We're just

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 2>doing mad.

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 3>Libs and wild like nothing is real.

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Nothing is real. Now, the fact that Bobby became a

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>vocal advocate for anti vax shit has a big impact

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and it helps impart a gravitas and credibility to this crowd.

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 2>The particular brand of scum who have crusted to the

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>rim of the anti VAXX movement tend to have precisely

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>one skill, which is an instinctive knowledge of branding. Once

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 2>they see there's a Kennedy in the mix, there is

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>a feeding frenzy over who gets to be his friend? Right, Like,

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy could take us everywhere.

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:41.360
<v Speaker 3>We want to go.

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 2>Like like, let's see who can win in a scrum

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>to actually get to like be his best buddy. And

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the winner here is Dell big Tree. Great name for

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>a weirdo vaccine conspiracy theorist. Dell is a former TV

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 2>producer who has in recent years become a regular guest

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.959
<v Speaker 2>on the Alex Jones Show. I mostly encountered Dell before

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 2>this through the podcast Knowledge Fight, which chronicles Jones. Dell

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 2>is also the CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network.

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you know now that we know something about

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Bobby Kennedy, there's no he should If he's involved with

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>an organization, it absolutely shouldn't be The Informed Consent Action

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Network he's not great on informed consent.

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he can take a seminar, Yeah, like he should

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>take learn something from them. But maybe he shouldn't be

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:30.639
<v Speaker 3>heavily involved.

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:35.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he shouldn't be helping to run things. Dell produced

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>the documentary Vaxed. Dell has no relevant medical training. He

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 2>has absolutely no reason to be talking about any of

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. But he did once produce a TV show

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>called The Doctors, And that really is all it takes.

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 2>With the chuck of the country, all it takes.

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 3>God, we're so cooked, We're so doomed.

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we we we they were a little doomed. We

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 2>might be a little doomed.

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.400
<v Speaker 3>But it's maybe it'll be fine.

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it'll be okay. Maybe we're all getting out.

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're gonna shake all this off like a fever,

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, A man can dream, a man can hope.

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>As I stated earlier, Dell hads an instinctive understanding of

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 2>pr and how to do the slow work of ideological capture.

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 2>He focused on doing rallies and outreach to communities that

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.679
<v Speaker 2>were primed for an anti vaccine message. Hasidic Jewish synagogues

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 2>were a particular favorite of his. Kennedy gave him inroads

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>into an even larger community, Americans who still thought back

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>mournfully to the what could have been of Camelot. Big

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Tree connected Kennedy to Wakefield, and the three did numerous

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 2>appearances together. RFK Junior starts writing anti VAXX books with

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>titles like vax unvaxed, Let the Science Speak. And I

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know how much of these he's actually writing. Again.

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like that thing with his thesis. Is

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.439
<v Speaker 2>he just he puts out so many books. He's like

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>more than one a year. Sometimes I kind of think

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 2>he's just paying people to write books for him. And

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.959
<v Speaker 2>he's like, it doesn't matter, matters. Is that the Kennedy

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 2>names on it, you know, and I agree with the message?

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Or the worms working overtime.

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Or that worm, that poor worm. Just I'm really starting

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 2>to feel sorry.

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 3>For the word sleepless nights for that worm just hunched

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 3>over the brain.

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>The typewriter just chain smoking cigarettes out in the mountainous

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 2>Corpus colosum.

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Well that's where the brain flog came from. Cigarettes and

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 3>the star.

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck. By this point, RFK Junior is firmly flirting

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>with the fringes, but this stuff had also not been

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>politicized like it is today. Every mainstream political figure was

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>against the anti vax weirdos, right. George W. Bush was

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>not a big anti vax guy, right. And so during

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>that kind of period, it's not super obvious which political

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>party you would want to be on. If you're this

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of weirdo, right, you're certainly not necessarily gravitating towards

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party. Right up to the early two thousands,

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>RFK Junior still hung out with Bill Clinton on occasion

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and counted himself a member of the liberal elite. Vanity

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Fair traces the moment when this changed to twenty fourteen

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>quote Kennedy married Hines in a wedding attended by a

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>glittering array of friends, including Larry David and Julia Luis Dreyfuss,

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and moved to Los Angeles. The move marked a reinvention

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>of sorts, distancing Kennedy from his East Coast network and

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>perhaps removing some of the built in guard rails that

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 2>had tempered his worst impulses. In addition to consulting for

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>companies seeking his environmental Seal of Approval, he chaired the

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 2>five oh one C three nonprofit Children's Health Defense, which

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>began in two thousand and seven under the name World

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Mercury Project and inveighed against vaccines and fluorite in the water.

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>So he moves to Hollywood, and that's kind of what

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>cuts cuts the tethers to reality for this guy. Obviously,

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>some of this is Larry David's fault. I think none

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>of us is surprised of that. You know, whenever anything

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 2>evil happens in the world, I assume Larry David's got

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 2>some involvement, and it is somewhere up in there. Isn't

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>somebody offered, Yeah, Larry David and Darfur. There's an episode

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>of Curve on that. Probably not Probably shouldn't do that anyway.

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 2>The World Mercury Project had been founded in two thousand

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and seven and today under the name Children's Health Defense.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Bobby presides as chairman over a fifteen million dollar a

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>year organization. They particularly target new parents and minority communities.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>During the start of the COVID nineteen pandemic, they launched

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>a media campaign to argue that COVID was not, in

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>fact very dangerous and people should avoid the vaccine at

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 2>all costs. They are particularly pushing this in black communities.

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>The PCHD targets Black Americans with propaganda, comparing the COVID

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>vaccine to the Tuskegee syphilis study. Basically, Bobby's like, hey,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 2>you know how you don't trust the government because it's

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>fucked you around. Why would you take this vaccine? Just

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of raw dog COVID. It'll be fine. It's better

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>than letting the government experiment on you. It's not just

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, Bobby's shit that feeds into this. There's a

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of socioeconomic stuff. So it's hard to say how

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>much of this is Bobby's doing, how much of vaccine

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 2>hesitancy in the United States is Bobby doing? But the

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>CCHD is like people who have gone in and looked

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>at social media will note that propaganda spread by the

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 2>HD is some of the whitest spreading anti vaccine, and

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>like anti COVID nineteen sane reasonable prevention statistics propaganda that

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>goes out on the Internet, it spreads incredibly widely. Right,

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>So you can't really say, here's how many people Bobby

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>killed by doing this, but I would argue that by

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>any reasonable stretch of the imagination, he beats Ted's chap equitic.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Count, right right.

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, drug driving maybe the least dangerous thing that

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy's to get involved in.

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Analysis by NBC News claims that the HD is

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>one of the top three sources of fake news about

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the coronavirus vaccine on the entire internet. So yeah, I mean, basically,

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>by any argument, there's a body count. RFK has very significant.

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 3>There's some sort of negative health count regardless like hurt people, yeah,

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 3>or prevented and prevented them from, yeah.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Prevented them from not getting hurt from like seeking you know,

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>basic reasonable ill for their situation.

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 3>And telling them apparently that COVID's fine and you should

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 3>feel fine getting it, which again, the community did get disproportionately.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that is bad.

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if we want to talk about like the

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 2>greatest harm that he or the clearest harm that he's done,

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 2>the easiest body count we can draw to him, that's

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>going to bring us to twenty eighteen and the Samoan Islands.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard this story, Cody, I don't think so.

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, this is bad. This is a real bad one.

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't think I have I don't know, do

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I want to.

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, oh boy, Cody. In twenty eighteen, two children

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 2>in the Samoan Islands died after catastrophic reactions to the

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>MMR vaccine. Now that is how it was spun initially, right.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 2>The reality is that two nurses fucked up horribly in

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 2>administering the vaccines and dosed both children with massive quantities

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 2>of expired muscle relaxers. Now, oh, this is a terrible thing. Right, Yeah,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it's evidence that there's issues with those nurses, that there's

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>probably issues with the facilities. Right, this happens, that a

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>lot does need to change, Right, Like, you don't just

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>let you know, just go like, well, sometimes shit happens, Right,

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 2>this is evidence of serious breakdowns and right, how this

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>process ought to work. Yeah, But RFK Junior takes it

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 2>is like, this is proof that the vaccines that I

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>blame for my son's allergies are a threat to life

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and limb. Right. So he throws himself and his organization

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>all of their resources into spreading anti vaccine propaganda just

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 2>in Samoa. Right, And because he's a Kennedy and because

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 2>he's got a shitload of money to spend on this

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>ad campaign, people listened. The Samoan Prime Minister was not

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>used to dealing with social media campaigns at this scale

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>and sophistication. The rapid outcry cultivated by rfk's organization caused

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>him to announce a halt to the administration of the

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 2>MMR vaccine across Samoa. Because of this campaign, he launches

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the Samoan government stops rolling out the MMR vaccine, right.

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>They put a pause on it basically in June of Yeah,

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and this is going to have a pretty catastrophic result.

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 2>In June of twenty nineteen, Kennedy and his new wife,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Cheryl Hines flew to Samoa for a press blitz and

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a private meeting with the Prime Minister. Now, this is

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a great time for Bobby, But while he schmoozed measles

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>was starting to percolate throughout the community, infecting huge numbers

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>of now unvaccinated little kids. In months, there was an epidemic,

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 2>infecting nearly six thousand people and leading to eighty three deaths.

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>The vast majority of those deaths are extremely young children.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 2>These are eighty three deaths that we can tie directly

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>to Bobby Kennedy.

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 3>They halted vaccines generally, well, no, the MMR vaccine, Okay, okay, Okay.

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Which is measles, momps and rebelt.

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Robert Ofitt, a member of the FDA Advisory Committee who

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 2>analyzed the epidemic, later concluded, Robert F. Kennedy Junior had

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 2>everything to do with that, And it shows you how

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 2>disinformation can kill, so that.

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 3>He kills people killed, all the reasons. He's like, literally

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the reason that those kids are dead. That's so fucked up. Yeah,

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 3>he gave those kids measles, he got.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Them, he m. Bobby, Yeah, what do you even say

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 2>at a certain point, Bobby, Bobby said, Bobby.

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Like, you didn't? Why did you? Does he care this happens?

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Is he like does he know understand? Does he understand

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 3>that this happened? Knows?

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't think it's his fault in this life?

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 2>That Cody, we're getting to that, but first let's get

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to some ads. Then we'll come back. Okay, Okay, we're back. Wow,

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, I after listening to those ads,

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>my opinion is completely different, Cody. Let's let's get the

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the MMR vaccines sucked out of our bodies.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 3>No, I think we have to.

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm back on board. Thank you, Thank you rfkju.

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, no.

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Sophie, what's what we're doing. I got a vacuum rigged

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>up on reverse.

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't want allergies.

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, I'm gonna cut my arm, suck out the blood,

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 2>filter out the MMR, and squirt it right back in.

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Sophie, don't make me put rotting meat in your.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Fridgebody as somebody with a ship ton of allergies.

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Give me that vaccine from experience.

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So that Samoan epidemic was so devastating that the Prime

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Minister reversed core declarity state of emergency and put a

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 2>vaccine mandate in place. Good people started getting vaccinated again.

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>The measles epidemic ended. While any reasonably humble and aware

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 2>person would have recognized at this point, oh, I have

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>fucked up in an unforgivable way, right, Obviously my actions

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>caused this, and obviously as soon as they stopped listening

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 2>to me, it got better. Welp, I fucked up, right,

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 2>But duh, yeah, yeah, that's not what happens. Because Cody

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.359
<v Speaker 2>being a Kennedy I means you only have to listen

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 2>to reality when it sends a bullet your way, right

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>like that is that is the essence of this family, and.

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.359
<v Speaker 3>So not the lesson to learn. Man, so many better

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>lessons from all.

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>This, Yeah, quite a few of them. RFK Junior ignored

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he had gotten his way, children had died,

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and his whole ideology of vaccine hesitancy had been shredded.

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>When confronted by a filmmaker for an upcoming documentary, Bobby

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>refused to even acknowledge what he'd done. I had nothing

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 2>to do with people not vaccinating in Samoa. I never

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 2>told anybody not to vaccinate.

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 3>What how can he do that?

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Like, like I said, you just told.

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Him the vaccine was dangerous and whipped them up into

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 2>a frenzy.

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Were allowing a man not taking responsibility for his own actions.

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh my what Yeah, it's can't do that. You can't

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 3>say that, I mean, you can't like the worm. Yeah,

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 3>I didn't tell them how to take it. I just

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 3>said if they did, they die exactly.

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I just told him it was going to kill their kids.

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, not my fault that they acted based on that.

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Now with this campaign with a fucking like organization that like, yeah.

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Your multi million dollar propaganda.

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Are Bobby Robert, It's just so interesting that the like

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:54.919
<v Speaker 1>selective choice. He has to understand what his last name

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>means to people, like the fact that he Kennedy saying

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to people, don't do a thing, Like he forgets the

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>weight of that. He forgets that, like people take that

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>name seriously and he's like, what me who people did?

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't have been what?

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 3>But he totally knows because he uses it all the time.

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>But he's investedt using Yeah, selective choice. I mean, look,

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>as a man, we're all good at that, right, Like

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 2>that's that's really the superpower of our Wow, Sophie. I mean,

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree, but you shouldn't say it on the air.

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 3>You can't just say that.

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I selectively say it. Not all of your cash, except

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>all of your it's too bad.

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 2>So if he twitter already heard you say the first thing, they.

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Are they are angry, they're not happy.

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>They're going to lose their mind, really tired of listening

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to men lie.

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 2>But it's so easy, and I know, easy to get

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>away with. You should see what I'm doing in Samoa

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Jesus boy.

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>But at least you tell me the truth about that.

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I did.

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 3>That's that's good.

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>At least so In subsequent conversations, Kennedy would suggest that

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the measles epidemic had in fact been caused by the vaccines.

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 2>We also claimed that allowing dozens of people to die

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:19.720
<v Speaker 2>by inciting vaccine hesitancy was an experiment quote to measure

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>health outcomes following the national the natural experiment created by

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the national respite from vaccines. And if that's the case,

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd say we learned what happens when you have a

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 2>natural respite from vaccine. Yeah, that's.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Experiment. You need to get in the lab again, Bobby,

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 3>the lab being like fucking the world, Like, I.

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Think we might need to do another experiment. No, I'm

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>not going to make a Kennedy assassination reference, but you

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 2>know what I was gonna say.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 3>But there's like the implication, was there, Yeah, Robert, Bobby.

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>It's always Bobby's So.

0:40:53.920 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 3>That's infuriating. We will, that's like, just do it and

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 3>if anything like because he said he didn't do it,

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 3>he didn't do it, and didn't even do it, do

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 3>it that and then he's like, well, yeah, I did it.

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 3>It was experiment and it fucking ruled.

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 3>What are these two thoughts you have?

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Like you is wrong with you?

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 3>What's fucking wrong with you?

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 2>He's such a piece of ship. Now, you know. Again,

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>in an ethical society, I think the way you would

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 2>deal with this guy would involve a catapult and the sea.

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I think you would catapult him into the sea, right,

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we should catapult more people into the sea.

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:29.959
<v Speaker 3>A large lake.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah sure, maybe one of the Great.

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:32.839
<v Speaker 3>Lakes, really really big lake.

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, we've got we've got some big legs.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>We have options for bodies of water to catapult people into.

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 2>But in our society, that's not how we punish this

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. Instead, Kennedy was feted by some of

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the wealthiest and most influential celebrities around. He got to

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 2>guest on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he published six

0:41:49.560 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 2>books of vaccine disinformation and donations to his charity doubled. Yeah. Yeah, sorry,

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>I just don't. I don't think you're able to write

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 2>all those You.

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Don't think you're doing that, man, Just do too, Like

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 3>that's plausible, And held.

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 2>An outline and had a ghost writer come in.

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 3>They wrote the titles for these books.

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe God, And they're not good.

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Titles, of course they're not.

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, Kennedy has also made repeated statements that he believes

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>in a link between vaccines and autism. I should not

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 2>need to explain that this is whoy. The reason why

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 2>autism rates seem to have skyrocketed is that it wasn't

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>the thing that we diagnosed or recognized for a very

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>long time. So when you start to realize that it

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.720
<v Speaker 2>is one thing, it will look like there's a surge

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:39.320
<v Speaker 2>in it. That's not what's happened. Right, Yeah, oftentimes kids.

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 2>You know that we now know our children who have autism,

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 2>you would diagnose them look like one of a dozen

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>other things.

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Right, pattern recognizing, categorizing species. We like categorizing things and

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 3>then recognizing pat.

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 2>We like that, but we do not like critical rational thought.

0:42:54.600 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Not our favorite thing. No, Yeah, or are K Junior

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.919
<v Speaker 2>has stated that increase in autism rates is a literal holocaust.

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Now you might notice there's some stuff that's messed up

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>about that because the Holocaust killed people and children with

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 2>autism are alive.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point. Thank you for bring that up.

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Children are doing fine. Yes, they're not dead. They're living

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 3>full and happy lives. I what a fucking weird thing

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 3>to say, What a weird thing?

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 2>It's especially weird because he can't keep to one side

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 2>of the Holocaust comparisons, because he is also compared being

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>a wealthy anti vaxer who gets to go on the

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>most influential media programs in the world, as being like

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Anne Frank.

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 3>He's a victim of the Hall And I know what

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 3>you want to say.

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Stuck in the attic of Joe Rogan's fucking podcast.

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Like fucking like attic is fucking above a studio and

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 3>like below.

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what if and Frank had been one of

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 2>the most influential media personalities of her.

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Day, I gotta go on this billion dollar podcast.

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also what if no one had ever tried

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:10.359
<v Speaker 2>to hurt her?

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Also, I don't know, have you heard, but I'm a Kennedy.

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and she had half a billion dollars. Other

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>than that, great comparison.

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.240
<v Speaker 3>And like just sexually harassing everybody he meets.

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of reasons not to compare him.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 3>A lot of reasons Frank. Also a lot of reasons

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 3>not to say that kids with autism are like victims

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 3>of the Holocaust.

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Ah, it's great.

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 3>He's like I never you know, like from the beginning obviously,

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 3>but like, man, he really ramped it up.

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, he does. He does. By the end here,

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 2>we're fully of like world class piece of shit terrator. Now.

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Bobby and his organizations also did a lot to spread

0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories that COVID is somehow ethnically targeted against people

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>who are not Jewish or Chinese, a thing that is

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 2>not possible. All this disinformation caused him to suffer my

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>old consequences during that brief shining period in the early pandemic,

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>when some social media sites occasionally punished people for trying

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 2>to spread vaccine hesitancy. Right Meta banned his Instagram account

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 2>once the COVID pandemic took off, and Kennedy sued the

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Biden administration for this, blaming them based on absolutely nothing whatsoever,

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>for pressuring Zuckerberg.

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh you need to get Matt Tybee on the case.

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe Joe Biden got me banned from Instagram.

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 3>The Instagram files, Mark, we got a good I don't

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 3>know if.

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Zuck can be fucked like that.

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 2>No, he like, he's certainly not going like it's just.

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just sat with that statement.

0:45:50.800 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm reacting to everything. It's a collective face, it's a ah,

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't get pocked like that, though, You're right, Yeah,

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Man, Go call Joe Biden. You're a Kennedy. Like,

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 3>go ask Joe Biden.

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 2>You're a Kennedy. Yeah. With that patented Kennedy magic, Bobby

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>turned getting banned into a cause worthy of breaking his

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>lifelong absence from personal involvement in electoral politics, and he

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>turned it into the core of his presidential campaign. Vanity

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Fair quotes a relative of saying social media was his stash.

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>In banning his account put him into withdrawal. If so,

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 2>we might see his present campaign as a relapse. Bobby

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy is now shooting up the heroine of political prominence.

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Multiple sources have noted that he remains obsessed with the

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 2>loss of eight hundred thousand followers, for which he blames

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden. I found one New Yorker interview where the

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 2>journalist pointed out, Hey, you're like one of the most

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>vocal and heard men on planet Earth, with access to

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>like the Joe Rogan Show and everything. How how do

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 2>you claim that you're persecuted? And he responded, I am

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 2>since I declared for president, but before that I was deplatformed.

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I was deplatformed completely from eight hundred thousand followers were

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>taken for me on Instagram at the behest of the

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 2>White House again house. No, there's a thing that happens,

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 2>can happen with addicts when after an extended period of sobriety,

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 2>a damn breaks, and with Bobby, the damn breaking let

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>out a flood of narcissism. Right, he doesn't fall back

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 2>into drugs as far as we know, but he's treating

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>fame and social media that way right up to.

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 3>His arm, right totally. Yeah, I don't want, you know,

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 3>don't need to go on a tangent, but like I

0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 3>feel like Russell Brand still a lot with that exact

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 3>thing of like, yep, you replace it with conspiracies or

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 3>right now it's catholicism, but you know you need to

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 3>fill that space. Yeah, And there are a lot of

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 3>unhealthy options out there that are that exists in order

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.399
<v Speaker 3>to keep you there, right, I mean to make it.

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, that are made to be addicted.

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 3>They're designed for that exact thing.

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, that's that's exactly right. So one of the

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 2>things that Bobby can't accept that I think plays into

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 2>all this is that he is now an old man.

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, he hasn't aged, didn't I would say prior

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>to this, you wouldn't say he'd aged terribly. But he's

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 2>an old man, right and when he you know, so

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.879
<v Speaker 2>he starts, he starts shooting up steroids. Basically right when

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.439
<v Speaker 2>he comes out to announce his presidential campaign in April

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.239
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty three, people who had known him for

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>years were shocked by how he looked. He's all puffy

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and bloated with steroids. He says that he's on organic testosterone, which, like,

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.240
<v Speaker 2>you're just on gear, man, You're just on gear. I'm sorry,

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter if the gear is organic. My meth amphetamines.

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Organic, all natural.

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's just you're on test brother, Like, and

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're on other shit, but like, come on.

0:48:56.160 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 2>One close family friend described him as unrecognizable now Bobby's

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 2>presidential campaign, whar's the drag of an independent grassroots effort,

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 2>but there's funding behind it from some of the most

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 2>powerful and wealthy people in this country. His VP pick

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>is Nicole Shanahan, who you may not know much about,

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>but she is the ex wife of Sergey Brinn and

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.800
<v Speaker 2>got the job because she has ex wife of Sergei

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 2>bren money that she can throw into the campaign. Vanity

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Fair explains that additional funding came from quote Timothy Mellon,

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>an heir to the Mellon banking fortune, who has given

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 2>thirty million dollars the super Pack supporting Kennedy while also

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 2>giving fifty million to Donald Trump's campaign, an alignment of

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 2>interests that critics suspect the strategic financing Kennedy's campaign to

0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:38.880
<v Speaker 2>draw votes from Joe Biden and therefore boost Trump. His

0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 2>campaign manager is his own daughter in law, Amaryllis Fox,

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.720
<v Speaker 2>a former CIA agent and wife of Bobby the Third,

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.760
<v Speaker 2>himself an actor and screenwriter who once ran a website

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 2>dedicated to fact checking political statements. The two meditt burning

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Man is just the most incredible group of people.

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 3>H to see that. I got to sentence this stone add.

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>No, of course not. In the immediate wake of the

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt, Trump, who back in May had called Bobby

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a wasted protest vote, started calling for him to receive

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Secret Service protection. Now to be Frank, I don't disagree

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.720
<v Speaker 2>with this. I think another dead Kennedy would not improve

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the sanity of our domestic political situation. Yeah, But the

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.879
<v Speaker 2>aftermath of that led Trump to reach out to RFK

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Junior personally. The two had a phone call, which Kennedy

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 2>filmed himself taking for reasons that are somewhat unclear, but

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:30.720
<v Speaker 2>very likely related to the brain worm.

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's usually that right, like Yeah.

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>An article by the AP describes the scene. The video

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 2>shows Kennedy listening on a speaker phone as Trump shares

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 2>disproven claims about childhood vaccines, an issue that has helped

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy amass a loyal following. Trump also appears to pitch

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy on endorsing his campaign. I would love you to

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 2>do so, Trump tells Kennedy, and I think it will

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>be so good for you and so big for you,

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to win. Kennedy leaked the video of

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 2>this call again for unclear reasons. I'm not sure why

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 2>it got out. Subsequent reporting has provided us with more details.

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>In a shock to those who saw our FK Junior's

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 2>campaign as a Trump op, the calls apparently featured Bobby

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 2>begging for a quid pro quote job in exchange for

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>endorsing Trump, and doing so to such a blatant extent

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 2>that it worried Trump's staffers. Right, they were probably okay

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 2>with actually giving him something, but the way he mentioned it,

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 2>they were like, well, shit, if he's recording this or something,

0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:27.440
<v Speaker 2>we could be in a lot of trouble.

0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which, you know, it's probably why he was recording it.

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I guess maybe maybe.

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Now our FK Junior wanted to secure himself a post

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>overseeing health and safety in the next Trump administration. Discussions

0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.959
<v Speaker 2>between the two during this recorded call included possible jobs

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>he could get at the Cambinet level because that doesn't

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>require Senate confirmation, and this would have been an exchange

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 2>for Kennedy dropping out and endorsing Trump. Further information has

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 2>since come out that provides, I think a concrete idea

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 2>of what Bobby would seek to do if given a

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 2>position of power in a presidential adm minute, and unfortunately,

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 2>it's something that gels all too well with some of

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the plans members of the fascist right have already put forward.

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.800
<v Speaker 2>In a virtual Latino town hall last week, Kennedy floated

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the idea of wellness farms, which is these are basically

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>American gulags, right. He wants you to be able to

0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 2>send drug addicts and people who are on antidepressants for

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 2>years of mandatory work therapy. Right, not just people who

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.560
<v Speaker 2>are like convicted of drug possession, but people who are

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.520
<v Speaker 2>on eighth D meds. He describes the goal of these

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 2>facilities as to reparent people. And of course, since Kennedy

0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 2>believes cell phone radiation is poisonous, people in turned in

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>these camps would not have access to the Internet or

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 2>any way to communicate to the outside world. So that's cool,

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>good Nabel.

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 3>It's so I mean, he's not the only one. This

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:57.280
<v Speaker 3>is so blatant and weird and like it's just so funny.

0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 3>So many people on the right just trying to like

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.800
<v Speaker 3>portray themselves as like, you know, we're like the Party

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 3>of Freedom, and then half their ideas are like, well,

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 3>put people in camps obviously to work, but also people

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 3>they can't vote, sure, like we we should only have

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 3>like the head of the household vote or whatever it is.

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 3>Where it's just like so anti the thing they are

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.800
<v Speaker 3>desperately trying to pretend that they are. I don't know

0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:27.000
<v Speaker 3>if it's going to work for that long. Yeah, I

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:27.239
<v Speaker 3>don't know.

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:30.440
<v Speaker 2>If I don't know either. It seems like very suddenly

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>it may have stopped working as well. I guess we'll

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 2>see how long this vibe shift lasts, but we'll see.

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it, like so so many things coalesced at

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:44.120
<v Speaker 3>the same time, but like Biden just kind of fading

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 3>into the background really opened things up. I think for

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 3>people to realize, like, oh, look at these freaks and

0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:56.319
<v Speaker 3>look at the flawed but mostly normal people. Yeah, and

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.880
<v Speaker 3>really really up that contrast, because when you contrast the

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:03.839
<v Speaker 3>freaks with like this old goat, it's like, what can

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.799
<v Speaker 3>you say. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:08.640
<v Speaker 3>if it lasts.

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>We'll see if it lasts, you know. I do think

0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:15.640
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting. I'm kind of compelled by what we've seen,

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>like because it seems like there's some evidence that people

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 2>within Trump world, or people backing him, if not the

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 2>campaign itself, wanted to push and support Bobby because they

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 2>thought he could take enough votes away to hurt Biden.

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 2>And it kind of seems like a lot of the

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 2>evidence suggests he takes more votes from Trump, and I'm

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of under I'm wondering if what we've saw what

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:37.560
<v Speaker 2>we saw from Trump offering him this job as like

0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:41.080
<v Speaker 2>a result of kind of panic over that. We we

0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 2>we set that we thought we had control of this guy,

0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:45.879
<v Speaker 2>and specifically we thought we had control of how he

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 2>was going to like play in the world.

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's gonna he's running as a Democrat that he's

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 3>independence so he's going to take some Democrats, but like

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.320
<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Party generally, and the electorate kind of rejected

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:57.320
<v Speaker 3>him generally.

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, not work. He's yeah, he's kind of

0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.319
<v Speaker 2>gone rogue. So I don't know, maybe we'll see how

0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that works.

0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 3>We'll see. It is funny how like they they keep

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.759
<v Speaker 3>doing that, like they keep sort of like realizing like,

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 3>oh wait, we miscalculated all this, Like from like honestly

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 3>from the day after we recorded Part one and two,

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 3>from like that moment on, it's just been like they

0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 3>don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to

0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.719
<v Speaker 3>react to anything that happens, they don't know the messaging

0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:32.440
<v Speaker 3>they need to go forward with any event, and it

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 3>just seems like a like a two to three week

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 3>long just sort of like crumbling this, you know, house

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 3>of what's flimsier than cards, it's the house of posted toilet.

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they thought that they crammed the whole, right, is

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.120
<v Speaker 2>this coalition of all of the weird, the like the

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 2>bad weird in this country. And they crammed it into

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a tiny sack, and you know, it felt like it

0:55:57.520 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 2>had enough weight to it that they could swing it

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.919
<v Speaker 2>and do some damage. But as soon as the sack

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 2>breaks open, like now now there's just nutso ship everywhere,

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 2>and people it's every at the guy who was swinging

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the sack, and there's an element of.

0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, they're just they're just swinging the sack at

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 3>like this old guy who like, understand I don't.

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Really like him. This isn't my problem, right.

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but no, that guy's gone. Now it's just

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 3>like quld swinging your sack around this get what are

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 3>you doing?

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, that's wrong with you.

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I should note before we leave, the entire Kennedy family

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:36.399
<v Speaker 2>basically has disavowed Bobby, all of his siblings that are

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 2>left alive. Everybody has been like and he got he

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:42.360
<v Speaker 2>got pushed out of River Keeper to his involvement with

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.000
<v Speaker 2>these charities because they were like, you can't one day

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.279
<v Speaker 2>come on and be like climate change is real, we

0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:48.960
<v Speaker 2>have to deal with it, and then the next day

0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>be like vaccines aren't real, right, Like you're you're you're

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 2>hurting the cause at this point by being tied to

0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 2>this ship.

0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.719
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, does he even say that climate change

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 3>is real anymore?

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:05.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you said it lately, because he's

0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:08.160
<v Speaker 2>like talked about it in the past Al Gore did

0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the four book.

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just seems like it's something he would, you know,

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.719
<v Speaker 3>like there's that group of people who've like kind of

0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 3>uh gravitated towards like, well it's not it's either like

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 3>it it is real, but it's not a big deal,

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 3>or like it was a big deal but we kind

0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 3>of fixed it so we don't need to do anything

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:29.280
<v Speaker 3>about it anymore. Yeah, curious about that camp, but me too.

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Cody, that's the Showdy.

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 3>You did it?

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 2>How you doing.

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Now? I'm great? Thanks so much for the show, toy

0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 3>and the knowledge of Uh, I learned too much about

0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 3>this guy.

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 2>We all know too much about this guy.

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Now, no career you're interested in getting a pet hawk.

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like.

0:57:57.000 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 3>A little bit like, thank you so much. I think

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:05.960
<v Speaker 3>that my talk and Kat would not enjoy that. I

0:58:06.000 --> 0:58:08.959
<v Speaker 3>would love it if Bobby just started carrying the Hawk

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 3>around like a hawk and become a hawk guy like that. Yeah,

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 3>at least then, yeah, there's something fun about it instead

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 3>of just like, well, it's kind of killing people and

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 3>lying about it, except for all of the killing getting

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 3>babysitters to oil them up.

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 4>God ah god, well but only her, he only ever

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:40.680
<v Speaker 4>did to her. So yeah, yeah, anyway, Well.

0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 3>We're anyway, thanks for having me. Check me out online,

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Jacody. On social media. I've got a podcast called

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:54.480
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0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:58.000
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0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 3>episode about Tim Poole. We got some Jordan Peterson climate

0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 3>change stuff coming up. I don't know when this is

0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna come out. I have a band called the Hot Shapes.

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<v Speaker 1>out now, Robert anything else, No.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done, I'm tired. I'm gonna go nap.

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