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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor are with you along with Keith Thompson. Keith. Back

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Speaker 1: when you wrote the book Angels and Aliens, the San

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Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle reviewed it and they loved it. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: said that it was I'm the most fascinating book ever

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Speaker 1: written on the subject. And that's everything an author would

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Speaker 1: love to hear about their book. Another reviewer called it

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Speaker 1: the most profound book. And you know, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm biased, but I'm in the process of

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Speaker 1: preparing for this show and the Pentagon Report, I went

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Speaker 1: back and read my book and I thought, gee, who

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Speaker 1: wrote this? This is a very interesting It's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. The material stands up. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: largely because I made the larger. One thing I believe,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think the UFO field often makes a

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Speaker 1: mistake by trying to pick one case and resting everything

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Speaker 1: on how that case turns out. For example, Roswell, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Roswell's a fascinating case, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it stands if uphology stands or falls on that case,

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Speaker 1: it could fall. Frankly, I'm a believer in the broad patterns.

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Speaker 1: What are the patterns that emerge across a wide number

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Speaker 1: of cases. And so that's why I think not to

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Speaker 1: pat myself on the back that I think my book

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Speaker 1: probably stands up because I covered not only forty fifty

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Speaker 1: years of uphology, but really hundreds of years of sightings

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Speaker 1: of anomalous phenomena. If you were to update your book today, Keith,

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Speaker 1: how would you do it? Well, I tell you I

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Speaker 1: would that Another question to get at the same material.

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Speaker 1: There would be every now and then someone says, even

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Speaker 1: though I don't believe a single case can, should should

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Speaker 1: be the measure of the entire UFO phenomena. Every now

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Speaker 1: and then someone says, keep tell me, I don't have

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Speaker 1: time to study like you do. What is Give me

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Speaker 1: the granted the pass larger patterns are what matter. Give

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Speaker 1: me the one case, well, the one case I would

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Speaker 1: deal with, and it's one I'm sure you're familiar with.

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Speaker 1: And it was after my book went to press. The

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four Zimbabwe siding by sixty school children

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Speaker 1: during the broad daylight of a saucer light craft that

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Speaker 1: landed in full view and a humanoid figure came out.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was an immediate sensation. The kids went

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Speaker 1: in and told the teachers. The teachers came and saw it.

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Speaker 1: John mac flew to Zimbabwe. He got them to take interviews.

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Speaker 1: And this is a mass siding. This is close to

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Speaker 1: the White House lawn. My most Americans had not ever

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Speaker 1: heard of the case because it was shot out of

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Speaker 1: the national media. And what a story. I mean, those

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Speaker 1: kids weren't lying. They saw something. They weren't lying. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they drew pictures in real time. They got telepad. These

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Speaker 1: kids maybe didn't even use the words telepathy, but they

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Speaker 1: got They said, I got the feeling that they were

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Speaker 1: saying something to me. And again it was all the

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Speaker 1: kids interviewed independently said there's something like I think they're

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Speaker 1: here because our planets in trouble. That's not something that

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Speaker 1: an ordinary child comes up with. No, you don't casually exactly.

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Speaker 1: You had an opportunity to meet with the Dolli Lama

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Speaker 1: when your book came out and he wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: with you about it, and you said, no, what happened, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know that's a that's ah, it wasn't just me

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Speaker 1: he wanted to talk to but I had finished the book,

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Speaker 1: and I have to tell you, George, as you can

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Speaker 1: probably imagine, there's a there's a there's a sense in

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Speaker 1: which when you immerse yourself in the subject like this

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Speaker 1: and finally get the book done, I kind of said,

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Speaker 1: I'm done with this subject for a while. So that said,

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Speaker 1: there was a there was a delegation that was the

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Speaker 1: DOLLI Lama hadst interest in learning about this phenomenon, and

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Speaker 1: I was invited to join a small group including doctor

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Speaker 1: John Mack, to fly to Dharmsala, India. And I was

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Speaker 1: at a point where I thought, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: The nature of my book is not to explain the phenomenon,

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Speaker 1: but it's to discuss how the impact of the debate

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Speaker 1: about the phenomenon shapes our sense of who we are. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it was a very respectful decline to get on a

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Speaker 1: life out of my own pocket. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: you know, not if he were in New York. It

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Speaker 1: sounds terribly arrogant. If the Dalai Lama were to come

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Speaker 1: old home estate was in California at the time. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, I don't have the interest,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I've never had any regrets. I understand

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Speaker 1: the meeting went well, and he was wonderfully whimsical and

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Speaker 1: missed a lifetime opportunity. We're abouts in Ohio were you raised.

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Speaker 1: I was raised in a town in the northwest called Lima,

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Speaker 1: Ohio spelt like the Lima, Well that's true, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: around in this planet, the more policed Diama did. Grow

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Speaker 1: up in the Midwest. I think there's something grounding about it.

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Speaker 1: And even though at some point I said I want

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Speaker 1: to go to the west and go west, young man,

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Speaker 1: I want to get away from all this flatness, in retrospect,

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Speaker 1: it's really nothing wrong with being raised in a flat

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Speaker 1: area where a lot of common sense values hold, because

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to study phenomena like UFOs,

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Speaker 1: it pays to have your feet on the ground. And

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Speaker 1: I do think I approached it from a place of

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Speaker 1: not breathless excitation or being carried away, but really I said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to approach this from an evident standpoint. I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to abductees, I'll talk to contacts. I'm approaching it

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Speaker 1: the same way Darwin did when he was looking at

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Speaker 1: fossil samples. You know, this is I do think that

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Speaker 1: we're looking at this phenomenon points to possibilities for our

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Speaker 1: future evolution, and that's perhaps the subject of another book

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do. I have always thought when we

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Speaker 1: talked biblically speaking, that the you know, I'm a believer

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Speaker 1: in angels, I'm a believer in divine intelligence and everything else.

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Speaker 1: But when people talked about fallen angels, angels coming down,

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking they were extraterrestrials because they had no

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. We are destined to

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Speaker 1: see things through our frame, our lens. One analogy often

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Speaker 1: use is look at the elementary optical cortex of a frog.

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Speaker 1: indistinct movements. But see, that's all a frog needs because

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Speaker 1: to perceive Picasso. Well. By analogy, human beings get along

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Speaker 1: our kids. But I believe what these experiences point to,

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Speaker 1: whether UFOs or religious visions, we are already part of

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Speaker 1: a larger world, George, and we have breakthroughs in which

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Speaker 1: our vision gets larger. And so I think one of

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Speaker 1: so that we can expand to meet this larger, multidimensional

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Speaker 1: of upology seems to have changed a lot, Keith. I mean,

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Speaker 1: back in the forties and fifties and six, we would

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Speaker 1: get reports of landings, burn scorches, tripod tripod marks, things

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Speaker 1: you know that it's it's it's it is interesting. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like the phenomenon continues to take a measure of us.

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Speaker 1: It follows the sort of like the drafts of the

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Speaker 1: breeze and the human psyche. This is just being metaphoric,

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Speaker 1: but I think there's something to it. I think it's

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Speaker 1: an intelligence. There's no doubt about it. This is an intelligence.

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Speaker 1: It is a non human intelligence, and it is in

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Speaker 1: some relationship to our intelligence. And so there's a signaling

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Speaker 1: back and forth. And I think that was beautifully presented,

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Speaker 1: of course, in close Encounters of the third kind, where

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Speaker 1: five sounds do do do do do, but specifically as

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Speaker 1: to what you're asking. Burn Marks are new at one

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Speaker 1: point the close encounters of the you know what's happened

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Speaker 1: is the close encounters of the first, second, third, fourth.

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Speaker 1: In that whole progression of the close encounters from burn

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Speaker 1: coming closer and closer to us. I mean, what are

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Speaker 1: the abductions, No matter what level they're taking place on,

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Speaker 1: these abductions are an up close interaction with a phenomenon

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Speaker 1: very close. Of course, it's poo pooed by the debunkers,

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Speaker 1: and I believe they're one of the most interesting parts

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Speaker 1: And the friend of mine was a reporter back in

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Speaker 1: go to Ellsbury, Missouri to cover a series of UFOL reports.

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Speaker 1: And he tells me when he got there, he saw

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Speaker 1: and I hear that firsthand from a friend of mine. Well,

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Speaker 1: He let slip something. I almost thought maybe he was

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Speaker 1: you know, the astronomers. And I thought, well, Carl, you

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Speaker 1: sound a little jealous that maybe they chose Betty and

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Speaker 1: Barney Hill driving home folding that night in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: They didn't choose you or Neil deGrasse Tyson. Get over yourself.

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Speaker 1: I know that he was quite a guy though when

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Speaker 1: And I have to say he did a marvelous body

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Speaker 1: evidence he was more open to the UFO stuff than

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Speaker 1: didn't happen, go away, And yet these images sink deeper

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Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon is alive and kicking. I always used to

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Speaker 1: This is what Jacques Valet has written so much about.

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