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Speaker 1: new hirest the flip flop Flasher, our beloved producer Cringe

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Speaker 1: Schneider visiting a man and three forks, Montana, known as

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Speaker 1: the Antler Man. He has a collection of sixteen thousand

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Speaker 1: antlers arranged in a barn with an artist's i for

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Speaker 1: symmetry and design combined with a genius sense for what's

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Speaker 1: weird in arresting the guy has never bought an antler.

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Speaker 1: He found most of the stuff in the collection himself,

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Speaker 1: or traded antlers that he found for peculiar oddities that

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Speaker 1: others had that he just had to have for his own.

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Speaker 1: Walking into the door literally changed my life. It changed

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Speaker 1: how I think about art, obsession, big box, wildlife, and compulsion.

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Speaker 1: So come along with us. Walking to Jim's hornhouse in

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Speaker 1: three Forks, Montana. Get your life changed? Who runs this

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Speaker 1: whole garden program? Here? I do the weeding and watering

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Speaker 1: and and told not to wind. That's a raspberry patcher. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that he's not gonna fence. You don't have beer. Come

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Speaker 1: share seriously in the garden. I try to raise enough

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Speaker 1: for the rabbits that are come in. And if the

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Speaker 1: can select, they don't bother them much. Jim, do you

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Speaker 1: have a hunting background? Yeah, I mean I was born

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Speaker 1: and raised because that's how you got interested in antlers?

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Speaker 1: Is hunting right? I mean most people that I got

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Speaker 1: interested in antlers out of boredom. I'm Colin. Were you

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Speaker 1: shed hunting this year? Are you retired from shed this year?

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Speaker 1: I had some problems with my feet and I didn't

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Speaker 1: I don't like the gold, and I'm afraid if there's

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Speaker 1: I realized, you're not out. They're chasing elk around with

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Speaker 1: to the game ranges. That's not what it is for me.

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Speaker 1: And when I was in high school, I had a

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Speaker 1: And then my brother and I went one time and

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Speaker 1: we had to go to Colorado because he didn't want

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Speaker 1: So he went to Colorado and ship hunted for a week.

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Speaker 1: He collected antlers for he made a living out of

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Speaker 1: it three years. But if he found anything odd or

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Speaker 1: birthday or Christmas, he'd give me a odd antler that

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Speaker 1: help him. How old you know seven? I'll be seventy

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Speaker 1: two in July. Looking good for seventy two. Man, not

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Speaker 1: as good as I'd like to. Really, what line of

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Speaker 1: work were you in? You know? I was as a professional.

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Speaker 1: I was a planned control operator. I set in front

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Speaker 1: to physical built up a lot of energy sitting there. Well.

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Speaker 1: Not only that I worked shifted, which which was wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I drive out an the hills and the shed. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's continue our tour. We can go in the horn shed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't think my brother in law made it for me.

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Speaker 1: So it's up what did he drink hard? Hard? Look,

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Speaker 1: I remember when those photos were in Eagle magazine. It's

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Speaker 1: And then one of the bulls there's an image of

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Speaker 1: And then the final photo is the antler and bull

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Speaker 1: Oh really, because he didn' kind of a weird position

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Speaker 1: like like he's, you know, wanting to do it. I've

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Speaker 1: seen a white dale pick up a hind leg and

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Speaker 1: another one didn't. He didn't seem to worry about the

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Speaker 1: other one. Have you ever found ah in your yard? Here?

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Speaker 1: From one of the golf course here, I've got a

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Speaker 1: it dawned on me they might be out in my

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Speaker 1: got those enough doesn't even go into the Antler house. No,

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Speaker 1: So do you have do you have hours? Like? Do

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Speaker 1: it's been on the internet, I get a lot from

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Speaker 1: Antless Obscurity, a great big story and they'll call ahead

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Speaker 1: got to come in August. I said, She's kind of

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Speaker 1: see if I'm gonna be all on. But of course,

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Speaker 1: this year, I'm sure I'm not going to get us

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Speaker 1: any bit. So you don't have a signed it says

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Speaker 1: come on, come on christ now, and then when people come,

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Speaker 1: it's not like an admission charge. No, I've never The

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Speaker 1: only thing I promote is my books, a collection and

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Speaker 1: short storage walking the trail system. Here, I walked it

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Speaker 1: six miles this morning. All profits go to the Headwaters

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Speaker 1: Trail System. But I did was right, short stories about

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Speaker 1: walking the trail. And there's everything in here, from a

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Speaker 1: serial killer there was our landlord, to the big sky

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Speaker 1: with the mountain men, with quake that we were almost

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Speaker 1: in and but just there's a lot of stories. You

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Speaker 1: wrote this, published it and sell these to raise money

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Speaker 1: for this trail, the trail. And I've almost got enough

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Speaker 1: for a third book. We mean almost got enough not chilling, materious, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of those stories. Al right, So can we go into

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Speaker 1: the hornhouse. Do what you gotta do is push on it.

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Speaker 1: The lights are on? Oh my, oh yeah, really wow,

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Speaker 1: that is incredible. Wow. I mean, like you've seen the pictures.

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Speaker 1: You're not to prepare whatever. That is unbelievable. I actually

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Speaker 1: thought I would take more space to house sixteen thousand. Look,

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Speaker 1: how densely panty scenes are. This is you know what

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect. It's like the smell is like a

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Speaker 1: really satisfying antler smell. Seriously, no, I think so is unbelievable. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Phill the engineer here. You have to see this room

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Speaker 1: for yourselves. Go to Jim's own gallery on his website

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Speaker 1: at antlerman dot com, the Meat Eater Instagram account, Steve's

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Speaker 1: meat Eater Facebook page. I'm at help me out, I'm

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Speaker 1: at loss. We just plented. We walked into a barn.

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Speaker 1: What's it? What are the dimensions of this place? It's

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Speaker 1: thirty by sixty ft long. Okay, so there's a center

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Speaker 1: encased How long is the center island? Forty feet long? Uh,

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Speaker 1: encased in antlers, and then the whole periphery around it

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Speaker 1: is like a bench runs around. The whole room, also

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Speaker 1: encased in antlers, with a lot of like nice specimens

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Speaker 1: put out for display, and then the walls, ceilings, beams.

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Speaker 1: But it's not like randomly thrown in. It's it's uh

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Speaker 1: like with a tremendous sense of balance in design, in style,

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Speaker 1: sprinkler system in here and stuff. No, I don't have

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Speaker 1: an old hotel at Trident. But this is the flooring

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Speaker 1: out of the buildings. The walls, this wood is out

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Speaker 1: the shed for this purpose. Yeah, that's a long story

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Speaker 1: to My wife started out wanting to remodel of the

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Speaker 1: probably won't have had about twelve. And you don't. You

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Speaker 1: don't buy antlers. That's the difference between my collection and

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Speaker 1: anybody else's, and that's what makes it unique. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I've been married for fifty two years. That's why

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Speaker 1: you've been married. Yeah, because I've never spending money on horns,

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Speaker 1: or I probably wouldn't be with you. But I've never

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Speaker 1: bought a horn. I've trade, I've sold handlers, and I've

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Speaker 1: have a shed full of horns, all he needs enough money.

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Speaker 1: And I've been to the auction in Jackson Hole and

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Speaker 1: started people out over here. Wait, well, real quick, what

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Speaker 1: happened to this guy? I have no idea. Well, it

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Speaker 1: grew around her. Yeah, this bowl, I know what happened

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Speaker 1: shed get interested in it? What's the most energy you

426
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: ever put into finding the match? Like you just knew

427
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: it had to be somewhere three years and I never

428
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: find another sign three years. It's like you just wanted

429
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: to find the other one. We couldn't find it. Yeah,

430
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean I found a shed actually two years on

431
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: a moose shed. When I find a shed, and I

432
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: started making a circle for me to you, and then

433
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: I just keep going out, and I just keep going out,

434
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: and I just keep going out. Sometimes I find more

435
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: ships that way. Well, what was the probably a little

436
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: bit hard to answer. What's the farthest you ever found

437
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: the farthest distance that ever separated a matching satching set

438
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: that I knew we're matching. I would say on Egan Mountain,

439
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: probably all three miles before he dropped his other one.

440
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: He dropped his other one. Wow, that bowl? Are got

441
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: a thumb on this side? It's not broke, it's flat

442
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: on the top, and there's a hole about that big

443
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: around that goes down into a skull. He goes, bull hole. No, No,

444
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the way it grew. It's a one big, nice, thick, heavy,

445
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: five point antler and the one thing like one antler

446
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: the size of your thumb with a hole down through it?

447
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Do I point it out like some more mundane sheds

448
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: or heads? How confident are you that like you would

449
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: know the source of it where you found it or win? Well,

450
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: just between you and me, I can make up anything.

451
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to know whether I'm telling

452
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: you the truth or not? How like? How likely do

453
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: you think you'd actually know? Though? Well? I mean in here,

454
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: under here, those are two points as thick as you

455
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: can stack them on both sides, and you can pull

456
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: one of them out. And I haven't got a freaking

457
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: clue where. But anything that's odd or different or that

458
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: I associate with a certain day or something I can

459
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: on this whole stack is like right hand or left hand? Yeah,

460
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: these are all set? How many you're in there? Like

461
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of them in there. Yeah, those are all

462
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: bound ones down there and the ones that are white here.

463
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: And actually, if you look at this long enough, this

464
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: side mirrors that side. You'll find a bull or a

465
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: buck over there in a similar one on this side.

466
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: And you did all this is setting all this rock

467
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: into the vertical poured concrete. Later on in the years,

468
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: when I find an elk coorn that wasn't any good,

469
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: I'd cut the burl off and that's where all the

470
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: birds came from. Well, so you this whole barn walls

471
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: matched symmetrical. Yeah, Oh, there's a lot of O c

472
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: D in here. Do you feel like you have like

473
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: a serious O c D problem? Where My daughter does,

474
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: and she's a special ed teacher, so she thinks you do.

475
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: How much time do you spend in here now, Jim,

476
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I'll come in here once or twice a week, and

477
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: that's in the winter when there's nobody around, and then

478
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: I'll have guys that come over and go through it

479
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: just before one season get jacked up. I guess, I

480
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: don't know. Is this like an evolving display? Are you

481
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: moving things around actively or not? That's further down the line. Okay,

482
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question in your your instinct

483
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: is going to be to give me an answer that

484
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: doesn't satisfy me. Okay, okay, why why? Why? You know

485
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: that's a million dollar questions, is there? Why? Like? What

486
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: is the why have you ever thought about it? No,

487
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's in a compulsion, uh an addiction. Uh? Yeah,

488
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: all those things were you at? What age were you

489
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: when the people around you thought I was weird? I

490
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: was in high school. You started being weird in high school?

491
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Other you know, guys were fixing up their fast cars

492
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: and chasing girls. And I was out of the freaking hills,

493
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: hiking around. And even when I was too young to drive,

494
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: my mother would take me out here on the edge

495
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: of town at these foot hills, right over here where

496
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: the tea is, and drop me off and pick me

497
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: up at the end of the day up the Gallatin.

498
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: After we went moved down and my dad bought some

499
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: property across some castle rock, and I was then I think, Uh,

500
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: they would take me up the canyon and drop me

501
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: off along the highway and I'd be gone for the day.

502
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: And did you have a thing where you where you

503
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: would lay in bed or wherever you think, and we're like,

504
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: make a thing and it'll it'll end up looking like this. No,

505
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: but I can tell you some weird stories about looking

506
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: for run and I hate to tell him because then

507
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: people do think you're weird. I'll be walking through the

508
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: hills and I'll just be walking along, looking around, looking around,

509
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: and I'll stop and I'll think to myself, I'm missing

510
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: something here, there's something I'm not seeing, and I'll pause

511
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: and I'll look around and stuff, and I'll stay there

512
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: and I'll even kind of look around and I'll find

513
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: a ship. You get a premonition, I can tell you

514
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: another one. I'm working great of Yard. I'm gonna work.

515
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: During my break, I kind of doze off. I have

516
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: this dream. I have this dream that there's this big

517
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: power pole and there's these two white, real nice white

518
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: tail sheds buy in this power pool. So I don't

519
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: think anything. I'm not riding my bike back and forth

520
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: to work. It's about a mile. A year later, I

521
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: have the same exact dream. That day. I'm leaving work

522
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: and I look out in the field and there's a

523
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: big power line that goes through the field and there's

524
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: a power pole there and it's in a dip. I

525
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: walk over there and there's two white tails ship. Okay,

526
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: really that story? Yeah, that's no ship. You had the

527
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: dream twice. I had to Drea a year apart. Yeah,

528
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: I can make it weird. Okay, this doesn't look any

529
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: different than any of the rest of them. But one

530
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: more question about that. Does your wife she uh? Is

531
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: she amused by you? Is she is it inspiring to her?

532
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Is it you know what I mean? Did she pick

533
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: up sheds? When we first got married. She realized that

534
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: I collected ships because even when I was going to

535
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: business college and where we met in Boise, I'd go

536
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: out of Boise and pick up sheds. But once we

537
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: got married, she thought I went a lot. So she's thinking, man,

538
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: he might have a girlfriend or something. So she went

539
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: with me a few times just to see, Yeah, he's

540
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: just that nuts. He doesn't have a girlfriend. So no,

541
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: she doesn't go this buck here, that's a three inch

542
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: point out. Another buck stuck in the skull? Oh you

543
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: kidnapped off? Look at that? Yeah, so it's a he's

544
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: got a skull? Was that found? Was that killed by

545
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: a hunter? Found? Dad? I was found found in a dump.

546
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I never even knew I had it till I put

547
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: it up here. It's kind of a spindley little buck.

548
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: He's got five five times on one side, four around

549
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: the other. But embedded in his skull is a antler

550
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: time where he got jabbed, poked in, snapped off. Is

551
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: it in the school or just tucked under the hide

552
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: in the skull? Punctured skull but didn't kill him? Speaking

553
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: of getting poked um, why is that purpose? A lot

554
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: of sharp things in here? Have you ever sustained an

555
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: injury from an antler? From me fallen on antlers? I

556
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: was walking one day and I had a white tail

557
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: in my hand with a nice brow point, and I

558
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: slipped and fell and felt like that jammed that browl

559
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: tie through into my hand. And I've got a lot

560
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: of scripts and banged up something, but nothing. If you

561
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: did decide to sell all these two people who want

562
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: to make chandeliers and not since to shoot myself first blood, like,

563
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: have you ever figured what that dollar amount would be?

564
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't care, don't care. You don't have any wild guests.

565
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I been very no. I've been extremely fortunate that I've

566
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: had a I had a steady job for thirty nine

567
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: years and a good union wage. My wife was controller

568
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: at tried and at the Smith plant for twenty five years.

569
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Uh and she controlled the money for the plant, and

570
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: so we had a good income. So I except to

571
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: put the Dottars through college, I've never had to depend on.

572
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you like to know if it's like a

573
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars or a million dollars because you're not

574
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: going to make any difference. And that's one reason it's

575
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: not insured, because I don't know how they would do that,

576
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: how they would try to figure the vaut I mean, Christ,

577
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: they got people who are That's what they do for

578
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: a living is figure out values of was that Lloyd's

579
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: of London, Lloyd's of London, something like that. They come

580
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: out and whatever they do. I'm not saying you dude,

581
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: sure it man. I just feel like you need to

582
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: put a sprinkler system. Now. Why is this little why

583
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: is this little pair of spike antlers sitting next to

584
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: the giant giant box? Just to show people there's a difference.

585
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: They wouldn't get realize there's a difference. There's a ship.

586
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: This one here I found in a dump. If you

587
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: look at it, these are terms actually wrong. And then

588
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: if you look at him here and here, it looks

589
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: like somebody grabbed it there and there and just twisted

590
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: his antler. What do you say you used to do

591
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: that dump loot so you would drive hundreds of miles

592
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: just looking for the specific purpose of looking in dumps

593
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: through the dump. My three daughters can tell you horror

594
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: stories about being parked at they all are dump and

595
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: having a picnic while their dad was down scrounging through

596
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: the dump looking for antlerch What other good stuff would

597
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: you find in the do besides antlers? Antlers? Was I

598
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: found my daughter a pair of shoes one time. She

599
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: know that's where they came from. She doesn't have Studies

600
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: in the yellow Stone show that elk have started holding

601
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: their antlers longer since wolves were introduced. Have you noticed

602
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: around here that like elk shed later because they have

603
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: to use them as weapons against wolves or haven't you

604
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: notice any difference? I, like I said, I just think

605
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: it depends a lot on nutrition in the winter. What

606
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: you're saying, Spencer, because I feel like it takes thousands

607
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: of years to drive that kind of evolutionary change. Man,

608
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: I didn't do this study. I'm telling you what I

609
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: think in Montana state that now he published it on

610
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: his blog. It's a peer reviewed it's pure because he

611
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: had his cousin read it. I guess it's possible. But

612
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: you have noticed, no, because wolves aren't a problem around here.

613
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few wolves, but people don't realize

614
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: how many freaking deer and now mountainline kill and how

615
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: many mountainines there are. Do you find a lot of

616
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: heads that you did were covered up like mountain lion kills.

617
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: Grizzery bears cover mountain lion hang them up in a

618
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: freaking tree? You found where mountains hung a deer in

619
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: the tree? Huh? Yeah, this is the biggest, the mirror

620
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: heaviest mule deer probably damn some porcupine on on them. Yeah,

621
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: and they've been laying there here when I found. It's

622
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: really something. Are you ever stunned where you find like

623
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: a white tail shed where it shouldn't be, were an

624
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: elk shed where it shouldn't be. Three years ago, I

625
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: was not too far out of town, and I was

626
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: up in some cliffs, and like I said, I'm the

627
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: last guy there, so I'm looking everywhere, and I get

628
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: up in these cliffs, and I think, you know, the

629
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: way the winner was maybe there'll be a big buck

630
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: that she had his horns up in there. So I'm

631
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: crawling around in the cliffs to find this great, big

632
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: fresh moose horn. I'm a long ways from anywhere there

633
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: should be a moose, and I looked for three days

634
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and I never found the other side. We've had something

635
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: similar hunting sheep, doll sheep to find moose shed antlers.

636
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: So he's up there in the winter, late winter, but

637
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: you're so far up, like you're up on the glaciers.

638
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: There was no even willow around, and you were like

639
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: how in the world, Like what was he doing? You know,

640
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: just up up up. Yeah, it's hard to picture that

641
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: he would even you know, survive. And on whitetail. I

642
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: mean I was in high school there was that was

643
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: never a white tail this area. I never saw a

644
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: white tail. A friend of mine up the Madison shot

645
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: of white tail. I think I was a senior, but

646
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: we never white tail has never come in until seventies

647
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: around here. Have you ever seen another ship like this?

648
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: There's this that's cool, Oh wild, what the hell happened

649
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: to that's off? Yeah, it's like a buck that I

650
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like a four point described that spencer

651
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: four point buck has another four point buck growing out

652
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: of its main beam after the G three for with

653
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: one of humunculous is it's like a little man that

654
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: lives in your body. It's like he's got I don't

655
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: know how to expand that. You know they have a

656
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: term for it, an elk. When you see that kind

657
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: of like, um, what is it? Someone? It almost looks

658
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: like flames coming off the back of the bulls, like

659
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: a whole series of like it looks like a moose's

660
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: brow tine points. Yeah, just yeah, but these are these

661
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: are not short little bumps about three four in times.

662
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: That seems so rare. There's probably not even a name

663
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: for it. You can just get there. You can just

664
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: coin the term whatever you like. A rib cage. Yeah,

665
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: do you ever think about doing it now? I don't

666
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: think it's smart. I was gonna give you a design

667
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: tip where you make a separate building. We're just the

668
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: real weird ship in it. So then you come in

669
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: here and you're like whoa, And then you go in

670
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: there and it's all the weird stuff. But that's probably

671
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: would be a very good idea. I ain't can kind

672
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: of ruin it, like to mix them up. Oh, here

673
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: you go, Yeah, I've been there. So here we're looking

674
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: at a bullet. What the hell you get going on?

675
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: You gotta do a fence. It's a telephone wire. He's

676
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: got a phone wire. Oh I see. Then he shed

677
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: his antlers bound together by the phone wire. But if

678
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: you look at it, pick us up. Yeah, look at

679
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: all the places that it's broke. So he got in

680
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: that and wound and wound and wound and finally broke free.

681
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: And then I mean the antlers weren't any good. I

682
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: passed it up a couple of years around. What do

683
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: you mean you pass it up? Old Matt? You saw this?

684
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: It didn't want it? I said, I passed the apple cup,

685
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: And then had dawned on me that you know, that's

686
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of neat. I'll watch him. Do you leave lane? Well,

687
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: if they're all chewed up, I don't. If I'm fairly

688
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: close to the truck, I might drag one back. And

689
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: I why don't you? How would you see that? And

690
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: I think that that was like it took me two

691
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: years to a curty that you liked it? That what

692
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: you need. This is a bullet. Took me two years

693
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: to find the other side. And I actually saw this

694
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: bull and he was pure white, and you found the

695
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: match and this is and I saw him when he

696
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: had his antlers, and then I found one, and then

697
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: a year later I finally found the other side. You

698
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: got to be the single person on this planet has

699
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: such an intimate relationship with hundred kind of square mile area.

700
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: And I tell everybody, probably, oh, I don't know of

701
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: my collection. Come within on her mile radis at three fours.

702
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm being in Colorado. I've been in the eastern part

703
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: of the state, a little bit Idaho, but most of

704
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: them right around here. And we used to have the

705
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: giant herd out of the Yellowstone in the Galloton. I

706
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: never did get over in Town Minor, the Livingston, never

707
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: did get over there. There was too much around here.

708
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: Everybody says, oh, you went to the park. I didn't

709
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: have to go to the park. I've been along the edge. Yeah,

710
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: I never. I mean, hell, they all come down and

711
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: you want to see the biggest spencer ten points in

712
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: sixteen pounds, So that's a ten point sixteen pound beat up.

713
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Why don't you call that a double main beam, probably

714
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: way sixteen pound. I mean, I read about these guys

715
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: that are finding these twenty pound antlers, but I've found

716
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: over two thousand elk horns and I don't have a

717
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: one that weighs twenty pounds. Sixteen is the biggest. And

718
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: maybe when it was fresh or something that might have been.

719
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: This is considerably dry. It might have been a pound

720
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: or two more. But just never have look at that,

721
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: and you're thinking a kid had been smart enough looks

722
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: for the other side when you you found out when

723
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: you were young. I was just so excited that I

724
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: ran all the way back to the highway to shoot

725
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: with my dad. When you come to pick me up.

726
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: Do you ever catch a porcupine eating antler? I I've

727
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: got a friend that looks for antlers and shoots every

728
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: freaking porcupine. I've never I talked. I went up in

729
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: the trees. I talked to him. I don't have any Moscity.

730
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: There's enough fan or about there. Do you use binoculars

731
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: when you're shed hunting? No, I do have us, and

732
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: my brother he's one of these guys who gets them

733
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: on a knob and he's just glass and everything. And

734
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: I don't I have a spotting scope, a little binocular.

735
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: If I see something, I'll look at it and see

736
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: if that's what it is. But I don't glass. I

737
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: zig zag, zig zag, zigzag. I'll tight your zig from

738
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: your egg. It depends on what i'm finding. That can

739
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: be three ft apart or can be tin. So if

740
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: you're looking through like a thicket or sage brush or something,

741
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: you're doing very tight. Yep yep um. This is probably

742
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: the most points I have, And this is the one

743
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: I spent three years looking for the other side. You

744
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: never found it. You never found it. Okay, how many

745
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: points is that? I think there's thirteen or something. I guess,

746
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: and I when I count points, I don't count the

747
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: broad times. Yeah, but if you just count up the points,

748
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean why not. I mean, at a point, it's

749
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: just a I mean at a point, it's a point.

750
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean all this other stuff is a point. That's

751
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: the point. So you counted that up and didn't count back.

752
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: That's right. What I would say, that's the thirteen And

753
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: what I write is with if it has a broad time,

754
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: I put it with. But I don't count the point.

755
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Do you have you realize that they like that is

756
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: longer than some of these. Yes, you said you write

757
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: it down. Do you have like this documented somewhere like

758
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: every handler you have, you do. I've been showing you

759
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: that you keep a log, but oh yeah, I keep

760
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: it journal ever since nineteen sixty nine of everywhere I've

761
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: been what I found that day, but I saw that day.

762
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: I keep a strict record of like that bunk, in

763
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: this bunk. These are all shed sets and vocal biologists

764
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: like ever shown interest in your stealth. No, you don't

765
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: into a book. Well, then everybody would know where I go.

766
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: You mentioned to Fear that that you would be that

767
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: that someone would come look at your collection and their

768
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: takeaway would be You're The takeaway wouldn't be like, Wow,

769
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that someone took the time to find

770
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: this stuff and put it on display and allow people

771
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: to come look at it. But instead their takeaway would

772
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: be like this is a weird dude. And as and

773
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: you were explaining to me that you're a lot of

774
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: other things too that are weird. Well, yeah, but I

775
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: thought you when you did it, I thought you'd do

776
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: the old I'm a husband and the father, but you

777
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: did No, I'm a tell us. I have a four

778
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: ton four hunderd ton rock collection. I've planned that you

779
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: hauled in your pickup that I've hauled in my pickup

780
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and load of the stone at the time. I walked

781
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: the Headwaters trail system. Here, I've walked getting close to

782
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: twenty one thousand miles. My goal is to walk miles

783
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: and that will take me around the Earth. I've ridden

784
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: an exercise bike and never left my uh bedroom, and

785
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: I wrote it around the world twice fifty miles. Do

786
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: you keep tracking the miles that you put in um

787
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: picking up shed antlers? It's in my journal just I

788
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: keep track of the hour, Well, not really the miles.

789
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: I keep track of the hours that I've spent roughly

790
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: how many need to have you logged? I have never

791
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: added him up. You don't have any guests thousands? I'm sure?

792
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, not really? What uh? I get the sense

793
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: from you talking to you like because you know, well,

794
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: let me see this first. How many people come in

795
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: and say the things I was saying about fire systems

796
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and insurance and alarms. I've had people ask about the alarms.

797
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: You're the first one on the fire system, but I've

798
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: had others on insurance. But I've had people come in

799
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: and look around and say, oh my god, all those

800
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: dead animals. Did you kill all these animals? And I

801
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: say no, And then I explained about finding them and

802
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: everything dies, and I said, the wonderful thing about shed

803
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: hunting is you can be aunt i hunting. You can

804
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: be vegetarian and you can still be a hunter, be

805
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: a shed hunter. What percentage of people show up here

806
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: that have no background in hunting or deer or elk, like,

807
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: don't know anything about these animals, I would say, Or

808
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: so you get a lot of Germans in here. Uh,

809
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: it just seems like a place that German tourists would

810
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: show up at. They got a whole thing about the

811
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: West and like Americana. Weirdly you like Germans. Nah, probably

812
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: not anymore. I had a Chinese guy come down from

813
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: Canada and he had been he works in Canada, but

814
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: he was from China, come down, brought me a big

815
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: bouquet flowers. Huh. I've had a lady come and she

816
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: might know she was from the coast, brought me U

817
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: brought me a chunk of salmon. Uh. I've had things

818
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: like that over the years. When I was gonna get

819
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: out about the insurance thing and the fire thing. After

820
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: spending a couple of hours with you, I feel as though,

821
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: if let's just say it did like it was just

822
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: you woke up one day and it was gone. I

823
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: feel like you wouldn't even like I don't. I feel

824
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: like you just would go about your business. Why would

825
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: I'd be sad? And to tell you the truth, about

826
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: twice a year or three times a year, I have

827
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: a dream that I go out there and part of

828
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: the antlers are gone. Somebody stripped the walls and hauled

829
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: them off. And I've had antlers stole from me before

830
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: I had I had a shed over here where I

831
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: had that. That's before I had built this shed. And

832
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: I had uh elks. That's two of more Boone and

833
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 1: Crockett that were stole. They should pass a special law

834
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: that if anyone ever messes with any of this stuff,

835
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: it's automatic capital punishment. Well, it was interesting, like a

836
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: special applicable to this property. The odd thing about the

837
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: when they stole the antlers, there was a lot of

838
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: it going on because that's when the prices first, so

839
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: there was a lot of it going on. So the

840
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: cops come to him and they said, would you donate

841
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: some antlers for a sting operation, and I said, no problem.

842
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: And this went on for a couple of months and uh,

843
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: nobody ever. They put him somewhere I don't know anyway.

844
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: They finally brought him back to me, but they never

845
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: found a guy that stole the people have stole mine.

846
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: So my brother was in California. My brother comes back

847
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: from California and he he knows that these antlers have

848
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: been stolen, and he says, I'll find out. He went

849
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: uptown to the bar and three hours later he come

850
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: back and told me the three guys that stole them

851
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: get him back. No, but we paid him a visit,

852
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: but they were gone already. They sold him. Oh they'd

853
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: been gone there. They had already made it to Korea.

854
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: Really sold him to a buyer and gardner. My brother, okay,

855
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: go ahead. Uh, my brother, this doesn't rival your collection.

856
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: But he had a spruce tree in his yard that

857
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: he was he'd liked to wrap antlers around. And one

858
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: day he comes home they're just gone, you know. And

859
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: another body had a moose head moose antlers school hanging

860
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: above his garage door. The same time period of yeah, jim, um,

861
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: you're seventy two. Now you told us earlier. Was there

862
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: a timing you're Antler collecting um life and career when

863
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: the collection was more valuable to you, to you personally,

864
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: like where you would have been and had more sorrow

865
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: had to be stolen or burned up or anything. No,

866
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: because I don't work that way. I don't. I don't

867
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: live in fear. It's not like I'm brave or anything.

868
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: But I just don't look at things that way. I mean,

869
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: I've got enough else. I mean, I've been so fortunate

870
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: in my life with my three daughters, uh with the

871
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: worthless son in laws, with the grandkids. I mean I

872
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: really have and uh so No, I just I don't

873
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: look at life that way. But do you look at

874
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: him just like their material things? Maybe you shouldn't really

875
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: just place that much value on material things in a way. Yeah,

876
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: nobody's offered to steal the rocks. I haven't any problems,

877
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: not one. When we were in the shed, you mentioned

878
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: that hunting Antler hunting saved your life. Yes, what is

879
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: that story? Okay? I was, I knew I had a

880
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: heart murmur and actually it kept. I was gonna ask

881
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: you about that. You got a big scar running down

882
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: your chest there. Yeah. Uh, member of the Zipper Club.

883
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's what they call it. Anyway, I was,

884
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: I knew I had a heart murmur. In fact, it

885
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: kept me out of the Vietnam or I flunked I

886
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: draft and uh, but I played football in high school

887
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: and things like that. But anyway, I was actually in

888
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: the hills just north of town here, and I was

889
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: down in the bottom of the canyon. I was looking

890
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: for sheds. And I had a good day. And I

891
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: started up out of that canyon, and and I knew

892
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: my wife, and this before I didn't have a cell phone.

893
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: I knew I she'd be worried because it was late. Uh,

894
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: and I was trying to man. I just I couldn't.

895
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: I'd go for ways and I just dropped and I

896
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: kept Finally I made it to the truck and I

897
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: got home and pulled into the garage there and and

898
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: opened the door and literally fell out of the truck.

899
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I and she came out running out there,

900
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: and I said, I can't do this anymore. I just

901
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: I have got no energy. Well, my brother and I

902
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: had a shed hunting expedition plan to go back to Colorado.

903
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: The two of us and it was about a week away.

904
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: So I thought, and I'm gonna go into I think

905
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: I got some kind of an ammonia, so I'm gonna

906
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: go and get a physical. So I went into the

907
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: doctor and got a physical and and she says, I

908
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: want to take an X ray of your heart. It's fine.

909
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: So I went in there and uh, she come out

910
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: a few minutes later and she says, that's the biggest

911
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: heart I've ever seen. You're like, oh, thank you, and so,

912
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: being the smartass, I said, I'm a big hearted guy.

913
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: And she didn't think that was funny at all, not

914
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: even a little bit. And she said no, she said,

915
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: there's So she sent me to the specialist in Bozeman. Uh.

916
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: He said, you're a order is uh put letting blood

917
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: back into your heart? He said, you're you're a or

918
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: the valve is. He says, your a order is and

919
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: your eyes He said it should be about this. Uh,

920
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: I think three something and he says yours is seven

921
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: and it should it could burst it any minute. So

922
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I had open heart surgery two weeks later. And Uh,

923
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: in that time between my having the heart surgery, I

924
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: wanted to walk the trail and nobody had let me.

925
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: You take some time off, cut into your mileage count,

926
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: cut into my mile agecount, and within I was in

927
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: the hospital for five days. Two days after I got

928
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: a hop of the hospital, I walked the trail five miles.

929
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: A week later I was back up to six miles.

930
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: What year did you go out and deliberately pick up

931
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: your first antler? How old are you? At what point

932
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: did you say I'm going to collect these antlers. I

933
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: don't think I've said that yet. I mean, really, I

934
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: went out and I found one, and I drug it

935
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: down to the trailer. Uh. The next day I went out.

936
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm ten years old. I mean these are

937
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: elk horns. I found another old white horn not too

938
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: far from the trailer, drug it down to the trailer,

939
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: and my father informed me right then he wasn't packing

940
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: these damn things home. Oh this is like a like

941
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: a camp. You guys had her cabin, so I didn't.

942
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: Do you still have those antlers? I'm sure I traded them.

943
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean I had two huge archroys out here at

944
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: the end of this driveway. I had a huge archray

945
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: at our cabin that was up the gallant and I

946
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: had a huge mound in the backyard where my parents lived.

947
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: And what I've done is traded most of the old

948
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: elk horns for deer horns and sets and some of

949
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: the freaks stuff. Yeah, so the I see what you're

950
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: saying that you never like started a collection because you

951
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: kind of moved them all around. I built things out

952
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: and I built but the sets, and I don't know

953
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: why why, but my dad had an old shed on

954
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: our property. In the sets I kept inside the sheds,

955
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: I built the huge column. I took elkhorn, set the

956
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: birds on the ground, tipped them in, wired them together,

957
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: did that a second time, and I went on top

958
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: of that and did it again, and went on top

959
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: of that and did it again. It was probably fifteen

960
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: ft tall. So how how do you know that you had? Like,

961
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: how do you know that there are that you have

962
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand antlers? Because I keep track of everyone of them. Well,

963
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: how many don't you have that you could have had

964
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: if you kept them? All? The seven fresh elk that

965
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: I sold and put the help put the daughters through

966
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: college in the fift hundred year, I don't count them

967
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: in my collection because I don't have them. So that's

968
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: another Handlers eighteen thousand, five hundred or something, and you've

969
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: never bought one. You've never like pulled your walls out

970
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: and bought an Never have you ever had antler you

971
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: really wanted. You're talking like there was only one. No,

972
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them that you wanted bad. But

973
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: it broke your principles and to get along with my wife. Yeah,

974
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: but after a while it became the fact, especially after

975
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: antlers got worth a lot. Is that right? How he

976
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: said that worth a lot of money? Uh? And I

977
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: saw people buying antlers to form a collection or whatever.

978
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: That's when I really sat in thought, No, I'm not

979
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: going to do this. I'm not I'll trade Andler for Andler,

980
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'll trade some of my fresh elk for

981
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: a freaky shteer or set or something like that. I

982
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: won't buy them. And I go to the antler auction,

983
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: not this year, and I go to the antler auction

984
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: at Jackson Hole every year, and Uh, I get a

985
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: bid sheet because I want to keep track of all

986
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: the bids and how much antlers are worth. I go

987
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: through the line on the side streets where they're selling

988
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: all our antlers, and those guys know me and they

989
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: know there, I'm just there to fondle our antlers. I'm

990
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: not gonna buy anything. You express that like all these antlers, Uh,

991
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: they're just material things? Are you try not to put

992
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: too much value on them. So then, like, how how

993
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: would you react to what would your attitude be towards

994
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: someone asking you for your shed hunting spots if they

995
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: weren't going to go sell them, they just wanted to

996
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: like appreciate them and put them on their wall to

997
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: them take a freaking hike. That's what I tell Peo boys.

998
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: You know. They says, uh, talking about the spots to

999
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: look for sheds. I says, uh, you can go anywhere

1000
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't go. You said, you sometimes get somewhere and

1001
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: you don't see something, but you feel that you should

1002
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: and you wait, and all of a sudden, then you

1003
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: see it. I've had that where I've walked into the

1004
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: woods or walked into an area and it just hits

1005
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: me that there's something here I'm not seeing and I

1006
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: don't know if my eyes pick it up in it.

1007
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm not a real bright guy, so if it makes

1008
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: it to my brain or not, and I pause and

1009
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: I take the extra time to look and a lot

1010
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: of times I'll find an antlert, but there are times

1011
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: that I haven't found where he feels not bright about you. Oh, dyslectic.

1012
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, is there right? Yeah? I've written two books.

1013
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: I do a lot of writing. Can't spell for ship.

1014
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be that. I don't

1015
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: think that. I would then say you're not that bright.

1016
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: I always had a hard time in school. Uh. I

1017
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: barely got out of high school. I had a football

1018
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: scholarship offered to me. Hit Boys State. I tell people

1019
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Boys State and they get real excited. But at the

1020
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: time it was a two year college. But don't you

1021
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: feel rather than brightness, it's probably like um dumbass lucky. No.

1022
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: I think it's probably that it's your brain is not

1023
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: malleable at all. You don't you don't get with the program,

1024
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like my brother and my

1025
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I think my brother and my sister in law they don't.

1026
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: They never got with the program because they had a

1027
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: where their headed is so like definite, right, it's so

1028
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: strong and definite that you can't veer it. But it's

1029
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: going somewhere. It's not like your stagnant It's not like

1030
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: your brain just sits there and then it can't be pushed.

1031
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: So it's just it doesn't go anywhere. But you can't

1032
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: channel it either. It's just that it's going and no

1033
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: one's gonna bump it to the way it's supposed to go,

1034
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: so it just goes. Could be well, and that could

1035
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: be the hell else would it be. It's like it's

1036
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: like it's like a there's a brilliance right, but no

1037
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: one's gonna move it left or right. And most of

1038
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: us get most of us get steered, get the Yeah,

1039
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: we get with the program, like whatever the program we're

1040
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: supposed to get with this, it's like, oh, I get it.

1041
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have a nice house, got it. We're

1042
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: more like sheet You're like, oh, degrees are cool. I'm

1043
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: on it direction I'll get a whole shiploaded. Not our

1044
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: own trailblazers. And we're not we're not finding the things

1045
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: that we want to find. We're kind of following some

1046
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: program because it's been yea, please tell me what to do.

1047
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people jam it's complicated, but

1048
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: I believe he's paying you a compliment. I'm trying to

1049
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: get that there. No I'm extremely focused. If that's what

1050
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: you mean. I mean, when I'm out of all er hunting,

1051
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: that's my focus. I don't listen to music. I don't.

1052
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: I enjoy my surroundings, I guess, but when I'm doing

1053
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: the rock work, that's where my focus is. I mean,

1054
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm and I love that. I mean, you're a creative artist.

1055
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: If anyone comes here and sees what you've together and

1056
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: designed your writing, I mean, I've heard that, but to me,

1057
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't see that. You don't think of yourself as

1058
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: an artist. That's probably pretty helpful people that do, like

1059
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: when I that's when I when that's the first thing

1060
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: I hear out of someone's mouth, and I was like, oh,

1061
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: I bet not. I'm sure you'd like to be. Do

1062
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: you have a sort of internal compass, like uh, like

1063
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: ethos or a life philosophy that you used to check

1064
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: your behavior. I'm an introvoter and so like the pandemic,

1065
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's going on because I've always

1066
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: been isolated that way, introvert. Like, how many days could

1067
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: you go without talking to anybody beside your wife before

1068
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: you felt like something was screwy. I don't think it'd

1069
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: be days. I think it'd be months. H I mean

1070
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: I've I talked to my dog. Do you get along

1071
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: well with your wife? Well, we've been married for fifty

1072
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: two years. She had thrown my ass out yet so

1073
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: and saying, and I've given reasons. I've been extremely, extremely

1074
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: fortunate that way she puts up with with But then

1075
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: we do a lot of things together. Uh. I told

1076
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: you about the rock work up at the cabin. Uh

1077
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: what she does and we do together is on the

1078
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: south side, we have nineteen acres and uh we clear sagebrush.

1079
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean we'll spend a half of summer clearing all

1080
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: the sage brush. On the north side where the timber is.

1081
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: We trimmed the trees for what reason? Because we enjoy

1082
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: the work. See. I used to apologize because Uh, I

1083
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: didn't bowl, I didn't go I did golf for a while.

1084
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: There were things like that. I love that. That's an

1085
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: upsetting thought that actually you live on a golf course.

1086
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: I when I started golfing, I got about a seven handicap.

1087
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: I was doing really good. In one year we won

1088
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: the club championship. That was fifteen years ago. And I

1089
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: haven't golf since because I went out on top Spencer here,

1090
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: he likes to swing the old club. What do you guys,

1091
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: what kind of euphemism do you guys have for golfing?

1092
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: What's your handcaps like tickling the piano. I'm not even

1093
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: good enough to know my own handicap, Spencer. I once

1094
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: put it to Uh, there's a guy knew. He was like,

1095
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: it'd be like hearing a gym golf like, it doesn't fit.

1096
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: And this guy was a lion hunter and it just

1097
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: didn't fIF that he golf I'm like, how could you

1098
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: like golfing? Like, you can't be a lion hunter who golfs.

1099
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to hear you like the coolest

1100
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: thing in the world. It takes so much energy and

1101
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: focus and and like intelligence, and he goes, Man, you

1102
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: gotta golf all the time just to be shitty. That's right,

1103
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: that's true. It's true. What are there some of the

1104
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: bigger changes you've seen in the whole horn pick and

1105
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: shed hunting activity, world, lifestyle, whatever you want to call

1106
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: it over there of course of fifty years. That's a

1107
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:33,879
Speaker 1: good question. Weeds, Huh, that's the weeds in the mountains.

1108
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: Weeds in the mountains. There's places I go that. Uh,

1109
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: there was never any Canadian sast Oh, there was never

1110
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: any mullen. There was never any I don't even know.

1111
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know the mullen was a non native well

1112
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: in Madison County. It's a noxious weed Galluton County. It isn't.

1113
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: I hate it just for its arrogance. That makes sense,

1114
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: because it shoots up that big stock. Yeah, kids like

1115
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: to throw it like a spear. I can tell you

1116
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: that when Yanny was asking that question, what I was

1117
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: thinking that that where I thought you would go with

1118
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: it is um that when you picked up your first antler,

1119
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: people probablyn't picking antlers wasn't probably a thing. Nobody picked

1120
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: up antlers, Like said, I'm the weird kid in high

1121
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: school that everybody has fast cars and girlfriends, and I

1122
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: was up in the freaking hills tromping around looking for antlers.

1123
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: You were cool before it was cool. Well, yeah, it

1124
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: wasn't cool. And I do that now when it became

1125
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 1: a thing. As the popularity of antler pick and antler

1126
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: hunting has grown, has it made you um like it,

1127
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: less like it more, or you're just like you're in

1128
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: your own world. It doesn't matter the sort of cachet

1129
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: of it doesn't matter. I mean it doesn't matter in

1130
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: the in the fact that there's nothing I can do

1131
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: about it. I mean that I get hit over the

1132
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: head from my wife all the time. It's progress and

1133
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: so there's no if I if I could control it,

1134
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: I would more than likely like to, but I can't

1135
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: control it. So no, I got let it go. You

1136
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: gotta let it go. And probably one of my worst experiences,

1137
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: that's when I was in the Porcupine area a lot

1138
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: and i'd find a lot of sheds. When I went

1139
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: in there and I found a camp and that's go.

1140
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: Those guys are in there looking for andlers for the money.

1141
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: And I found where they had camped and the stuff

1142
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: they discarded, and uh, that's when I realized, Man, this

1143
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: is all changed because the money is taken over and

1144
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: it's not for the joy of finding antlers or anything

1145
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: like that. It's it's for the money and college kids

1146
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: out of bozen hell. I didn't blame him from going

1147
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: out looking for handlers. I mean, you could find a

1148
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 1: ten pound elkhorn then it was worth five bucks a pound.

1149
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: That's fifty bucks. You know, a lot of those guys

1150
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: were out in the hills look for the money. M hm.

1151
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: Is that part of your kind of market pride that

1152
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: that you won't have spent a dollar on an antler

1153
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: for your collection in a way? And the other thing

1154
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: is is there's a handle on the inside of that

1155
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: big door, and that's the only thing I've ever made

1156
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: out of an antler. I don't like to see I

1157
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: don't like to see him cut up. Chandeliers are a

1158
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. But you go to famous Daves, you see

1159
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: all them fancy and chandeliers, they're all ros and they're

1160
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: not yea. So I just made my kids three for Easter.

1161
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: I made him three custom uh meal deer antler marshmallow sticks.

1162
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: Good for you? You wouldn't you wouldn't like you would

1163
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: like something like that. No, you just depressed him and

1164
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: my birthdays in a month, and they'll thank you. I went,

1165
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: I went down to the hardword storm Boston Rod drilled

1166
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: him out a pox them in there. I'm sure, yes

1167
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: they are. I mean I've seen some beautiful especially when

1168
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: they take the moose sheds and do those inchers designs.

1169
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen some beautiful stuff. Uh, I don't

1170
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: have an antler l corn buckle now for your your

1171
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: belt and I just don't see him. Don't see him.

1172
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: Cut up. UM. Give some antler hunting tips, like a

1173
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: hot tip, patients, and perseverance. You can go anywhere in

1174
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: the state of Montana where it's legal and find an antler.

1175
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 1: Might be a white tail, it might be a mule deer,

1176
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:44,520
Speaker 1: might be an ant might be a elk. But literally,

1177
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: if you're looking, and I always look I when I walk,

1178
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: I I memorize the distance in front of me for

1179
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: about ten ft. I memorize that as I walk as

1180
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: I look ahead. And then I'm always looking to the

1181
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: side because you got your foot placements sort of subconsciously

1182
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: picked out. And I'll do that going across the city park,

1183
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'll do that going across the football field because

1184
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: years ago and I started. I remember I was going

1185
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: up through a big open meadow when I was looking

1186
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: for antlers everywhere and fell flat on my face and

1187
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: tripped over a brush head five point alcorn. So now

1188
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: I study the ground and then I memorize it, and

1189
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: then I looked to the side as I go. I'm

1190
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: always torn um as a person interested in antlers and

1191
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: artifacts and old bones and whatnot, but also interesting spot

1192
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: and game. I'm always torn because it's like two kinds

1193
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: of people, three kinds of people that don't see anything,

1194
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: and then there's like your far lookers and clothes lookers.

1195
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: And I'm very torn between being a far looker and

1196
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: a close looker. You know, see a hunting, I love

1197
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: to a mule deer hunt, but I don't even know

1198
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: if I shoot one anymore. I never liked elk hunt,

1199
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 1: but we lived on elk, so I always hunted him.

1200
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 1: But the animal, I guess, is not that important to me.

1201
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like anybody, I like to see a huge

1202
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: bowl or a huge bucker, whatever, and I love to

1203
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: see the animals in the yard and all that, But

1204
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: I guess my reverence is for the antler and not

1205
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: for the animal. M what does it represent for you,

1206
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: I guess on the antler, especially like on elk horns,

1207
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: the energy that it takes to grow it, to me

1208
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: is I mean, I don't think anybody can even appreciate

1209
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: when they see a sixteen pound elkhorn and he's got

1210
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: a sixteen pound one on the other side, and he

1211
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: grew that in five and a half months after coming

1212
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: out of a winner that he freaking near started to

1213
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: death in after coming out of a rut that he

1214
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:16,919
Speaker 1: was exhausted doing. I mean, to me, it's just utterly amazing.

1215
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: I can understand why in old elks nine years old

1216
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: and dead tax in life, Yeah, I mean, it's it's

1217
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: just got to be a rat race all the time.

1218
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean just and then too. I can't imagine the

1219
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: amount of nutrition or energy to grow. I mean, to

1220
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: be like you and me growing two legs in five

1221
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,919
Speaker 1: and a half months every year. It's just it's amazing.

1222
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: The thing you said earlier that that I thought was interested,

1223
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: I asked you why, like the big why, right, Like,

1224
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: why in the hell would you? I mean, that's what

1225
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: we're focused on. We're focused on in our conversation, we're

1226
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: focused on finding them. But to me, the energy put

1227
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: into the display you've built, which is which is like

1228
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: I would regard it as um this is gonna sound

1229
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: hYP hyperbolic, but I don't think it is. I would

1230
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: regard it as sort of like one of the most

1231
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: like kind of staggering, um like pieces of art I've

1232
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: ever seen. I'm not joking, no, but what's funny about that?

1233
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: And I think I have one of the guy's books,

1234
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: But There was a guy from Bozeman that wrote a

1235
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: book about all the oddities in Montana. I mean, I

1236
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: can't even remember something, but they are all kinds of oddities.

1237
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: That he went around the state and wrote a book. Yeah,

1238
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: but I'm not comfortable. But then he wrote a second

1239
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: book and went around the state. And you know, I'm

1240
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: not needing them. It's not an oddity like I think

1241
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: a oddity. It's got a lot of oddities in it,

1242
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: but I think as its thing as this thing, anybody

1243
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: anybody with with sort of UM, any art historian or

1244
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: anyone UM, people who are interested in sculpture or whatever,

1245
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: anyone would come in and be like, I get it.

1246
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: It's got all these constituent parts as a whole. It

1247
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: is a a man's lifelong o a creative piece. It

1248
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: is a piece of art that was produced over a

1249
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: long period of time. There's a piece of installation art.

1250
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: And I've had a few people that's recognized. So when

1251
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: I asked you, like the big why, it's funny that

1252
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: you um are self aware enough for whatever where you

1253
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: said it's a compulsion, and then you don't dress up

1254
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: the compulsion as something else that you just recognize it

1255
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: like you have a compulsion. I like stuff to be

1256
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: neat in my house, and I've only recently begun to

1257
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: say organized, you know, I've recently been saying like, yes,

1258
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: I recognize it as a problem, but it's not what

1259
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: I care to fix, and I would like the people

1260
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: around me to conform to it. Well, that's why my

1261
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: wife and I get along so well. Is the only

1262
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: antlers you'll find in this house are those? And I

1263
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: had to build this room on for that. There there

1264
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: are no antlers and that part of the house. Do

1265
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: you look at other people with extreme collections and find

1266
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: them weird? Like if somebody collected sports cards or shot

1267
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: glasses or vinyl records, like, would you get it or

1268
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: would you belin that's strange? No? I would? I would.

1269
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean I look at as everybody collects something. I mean,

1270
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: my wife collects Daniel Steel books. Uh. We have a

1271
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: bulldog uh collection that we've put together ourselves. But everybody

1272
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: collects something. So are you, um would you go out

1273
01:18:54,240 --> 01:19:00,440
Speaker 1: of your way to go see um shot glass collection? Mhm?

1274
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: So you don't like collections for the sake of collections.

1275
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: I had an aunt and that's where I get my collecting.

1276
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: From who collected rocks, she collected clean xboxes, she collected

1277
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. She had them. I've in fact,

1278
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: I've got it. She's got a matchbooks collection that I've

1279
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: put in a fifty gallon drum and filled it. So

1280
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: she but she never took care of her collections. She

1281
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: had an elephant, she never enshrined them. No, I guess

1282
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: she had an elephant collection. Uh probably had five hundred

1283
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: different kinds of elephants. Uh, figurines and stuff like that.

1284
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: Most of them were broken. And I guess that's where

1285
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: I make sure I take care of my collection. But

1286
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for walking tens

1287
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 1: of thousands of miles on trails and just being out

1288
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: in the correct. You there, I don't go any freaking trail.

1289
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I'm separating the trail into the woods. Yea.

1290
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: When I go out in the woods, I don't follow

1291
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 1: any trickers. You just bush whag. I just I cover

1292
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: an area. I don't. I might get on a deer

1293
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: trail or something a little bit, but I don't. I

1294
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: don't do trails. But there's something to be said for

1295
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 1: going into the woods and being out in the middle

1296
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: of nowhere and collecting, working to collect your to a

1297
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: master collection. And that The other thing that I'm thankful

1298
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: and away for my wife is receptive to is I've

1299
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: always gone alone. And that was long before there were

1300
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: cell phones or anything like that. I mean, and do

1301
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: you still now travel and look for sheds in in

1302
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: grizz country alone? Yeah? And I've had a couple of

1303
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: grizz encounters so that we're extremely scary, but I was

1304
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: never I guess I can tell you one of them.

1305
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: I was. And this was up in the galloon and again,

1306
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 1: I've got a really nice, huge pack of al corns.

1307
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: I probably got fifteen or twenty on my back. But

1308
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: and I'm coming out, but that's not enough. There's one

1309
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: little spot in there where I wanted to go up,

1310
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: and there was kind of a pocket back in there,

1311
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go in and check it out

1312
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: see if there was anything there. So I got this

1313
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: big old pack on my back and I'm going through

1314
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: these trees and I get back into this spot and

1315
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: there's a spot pren as big as this room that

1316
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: looks like somebody raked it with a garden rake, and

1317
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: right in the center as a cow l kid and

1318
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: I think to myself, that's a grizzly cash. So I

1319
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: took off and I headed down out and I had

1320
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: to go across the creek, and the creek was high

1321
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: and really flowing, but there was the three logs. So

1322
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 1: I get up on the logs and the water is

1323
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of splashing up on the bottom one. I get

1324
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: up on the logs and I hear the grizzly roar.

1325
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: So I turned around to look, and I'm kind of

1326
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: walking backwards and I slip and I fall backwards with

1327
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: the pack on my back between the two logs, and

1328
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm pinned there. I mean, I can't the straps are,

1329
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: I can't move, and I hear him roar again, and

1330
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: he's closer. He's coming, He's following me. And I lay

1331
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: there and this is a God's honors truth. I cried

1332
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: because I knew he was coming up on and I

1333
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: was I was dead. There was nothing I could do,

1334
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: and I was laying there, and I laid there and

1335
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: I lay there and nothing happened, and nothing happened, and

1336
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: finally I noticed that I had my hunting knife on

1337
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: my in a scabbard and I could get it with

1338
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: the two fingers, and I could. When I got it out,

1339
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: I could cut that one strap. So then I freed

1340
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: myself and I got and I still never heard the bear.

1341
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: So then a normal person would have just headed out

1342
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: of the country, not me. I packed the horns on

1343
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: across the creek, fixed the strap, put the pack back on,

1344
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: and headed out. Wow, I don't think I've heard the

1345
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: roar of a grizzly Oh Lord, and you could tell that.

1346
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: Do the noise. I can't do the noise. Do an

1347
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: approximation of the noise. I'll tell you what scarier than

1348
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: that is, mountain lion. And I've had them follow me

1349
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: and heard them. I was. This was when I was

1350
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 1: a kid. I was up Dry Crack out of Townsend,

1351
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: and I was fishing, and I was so concentrated on

1352
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: my fishing I didn't even know it got dark in

1353
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: the moon come up. My parents they were just going nuts.

1354
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: They were driving up and down the road a holler

1355
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: and and I could hear this one mountain lyon on

1356
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: one side screaming, and a mountain Lyon on the other

1357
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: side screaming above me. My mother was screaming. And then

1358
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: I've had mountain lion where I'm known there tracking me

1359
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: where they're following me, but they've never I've only ever

1360
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: seen two or three in my lifetimes. You can go

1361
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: a long time between seeing them and that it's usually

1362
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: just a flash. Any other follow up questions I got

1363
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: mine answered kind of concluding by backtracking, but it kind

1364
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: of there's like there's a magic in that room that

1365
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: pictures just don't They just don't do it justice and

1366
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: you can call it art O C d. And I

1367
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: think it's art by way of O C d UM.

1368
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 1: But going back, Steve always like to say that there's

1369
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: two types of people, or three types of people. I'd

1370
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: send a picture to my wife. There's the there's people

1371
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: who think you can put everybody into two exactly. I

1372
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 1: sent a picture of the room to my wife and uh,

1373
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: she said, that's crazy. Is that even ensurable? So that

1374
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 1: person and uh, I think you're one type of person

1375
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: and she's the other. I Uh, it's I think it's

1376
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: it's impressive and it's it's it's magical. Yeah, do you imagine, um,

1377
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: at this point, you're seventy two, do you imagine, Well,

1378
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: I'll be I gotta make it there yet it's almost

1379
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: are you um? Do you imagine now like you've kind

1380
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: of you're you're wrapped it up. Okay, no, because I

1381
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: still enjoy doing it. Like I said, I'm a little

1382
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: slower now, I'm gonna try to be in a lot

1383
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: better shape and i'll go with some in the fall.

1384
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I'll be in a lot better shape next spring and

1385
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: get out and try to cover more countries. So you

1386
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: think there's horn to be picked out there right now? Oh? Yes, yes,

1387
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: just waiting for the fall. Yes, when the green grass,

1388
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: when the first frost comes and knocks the grass down,

1389
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: and the rattlesnakes to go off and do their business

1390
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 1: and leave me alone, then I'll go out and pick

1391
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: it all up, or I'll at least go around and

1392
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: look for some. Rattlesnakes are probably my biggest concern, more

1393
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: so than grizzly bears or why them? Because they bite?

1394
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: But are you running into that many of them? Do

1395
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: you know? Why? Do you know why you're running new

1396
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot? Because you probably got good eyes for seeing stuff,

1397
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: and you see them where other people don't see them.

1398
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: And I'm in the and I don't bother him, I

1399
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: don't kill him. The other day I had my daughter,

1400
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: my my seven year old in my five year old.

1401
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: He might not have been five now they're seven five.

1402
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: And I was messing around and they're messing around, and

1403
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: they come running up about a little snake. They found

1404
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: a little snake and a little hole in the rocks.

1405
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: And this thing was like a rattlesnake, dead size of

1406
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: your wrist, curled up in there. This I was a

1407
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: little black and white one, and I was nothing, little, nothing,

1408
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: black and white. My oldest daughter tells the story that

1409
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: I was fishing down on the Missouri and my and

1410
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: the kids were a little and my wife had him

1411
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: all spread out on a blanket, and I was fishing

1412
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: along the bank and I scared this rattlesnake up and

1413
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: he come up over the blanket and she grabbed a

1414
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: kid in each hand and took off. Well, there was

1415
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: still one on the blanket because we had three kids,

1416
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: says Mom left me this. Uh, this is like in

1417
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 1: my house. I put my coolest things, my coolest fossils, antlers,

1418
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: piece of petrified wood, like on my fireplace mantle, and

1419
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: my bookshelf and office desk uff like that. This has

1420
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: made me feel wildly inadequate, like there are thousands and

1421
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: thousands of things here, like literally thousands that would trump

1422
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: the coolest things that I have. So this is just

1423
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: like a wildly special place. I did find myself fake

1424
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: feeling a little masculated about my pile of cool things,

1425
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: like I look now, I'm like, what's the point. See,

1426
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 1: that's the object of the shed is And that's why

1427
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: things are displayed because I had seen so many piles

1428
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: in a in a grub corner of a garage or

1429
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: somebody's yard or whatever, so I wanted to make the

1430
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: effort to display them. And it's not just the overwhelming

1431
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: amount of antlers in there, which in of itself is powerful,

1432
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: but it's the Yeah, it's the way that you have,

1433
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: the the symmetry that doesn't even really reveal itself. You

1434
01:28:53,800 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: can kind of okay, there's a lot of foms. Yeah,

1435
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Spencer're not keep for going to tell you. Um. Doug

1436
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Durn was listening to a previous episode and he was

1437
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: half listening and he heard about rock picking and he

1438
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: thought we were talking about going out into a farm

1439
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: field and gathering up the rocks, and he was very

1440
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: supportive of the conversation. It was happy to hear that

1441
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: that was your background of rock picking, and that was

1442
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: dismayed to learn that you're doing recreational rock hounding. And

1443
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: he was like, never ever ever confused rock picking were

1444
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: rock hounded. It's another another cut corn situation. All right, well, Jim,

1445
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time. Man, this has

1446
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: been a great tour. Yeah, thanks for having us. I

1447
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 1: enjoyed your company. And that's the idea of the horn

1448
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 1: chead House, whatever you want to call it, is people

1449
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: to come and enjoy it. And when we're home, if

1450
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: we're not up at our cabinet stuff, when we're here

1451
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: and people get in touch with me, then I'm more

1452
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: than them happy to take them to the collection. And

1453
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: how do you want to tell people now over the air,

1454
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: how did you get in touch with you? Should they

1455
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: just google you? They can google me. You might get

1456
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: a few. He's got a website. What's your website address?

1457
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Antler Man dot com. Okay, just go to antler Man

1458
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 1: dot com and uh get ahold of me email from there.

1459
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: You know what my new life goal is, I'm gonna

1460
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: find some kind of antler and I'm gonna bring it

1461
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: over here and you're gonna beg me for it, and

1462
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: then I'll give it to you. Okay, I don't know,

1463
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna be, but I'm gonna

1464
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: find some thing. It's gonna be something. It's gonna be

1465
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: antler like with a grown around a human skull or

1466
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: something I like to find. And you're gonna be like,

1467
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to break your rule to buy it,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just be like you just have a jim. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. Yes, thank you