WEBVTT - Ep. 15: Choking on Chum Pods

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<v Speaker 1>Fly fishing for tarpin might be the most egregious example

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<v Speaker 1>of fishing excess on the planet. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys know the science behind a maxicab rocking

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<v Speaker 1>to the top two quickly can be dangerous, just as

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<v Speaker 1>the Greek dude with the wax wings or the kids

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<v Speaker 1>and crisscross. But lets you figure all that out, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can just sit back with the beer. Good morning,

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<v Speaker 1>degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that will

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<v Speaker 1>not judge you for eating two of the three sandwiches

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<v Speaker 1>you packed for lunch before eight am. I'm Joe Surmeli

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Nulty, and yeah, why does that happen? Like why

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<v Speaker 1>are you always starving at five am on a fishing trip?

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<v Speaker 1>Like clackwork dude. People are like, why you three sandwiches?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, because I'm gonna eat two of them

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<v Speaker 1>before we break the inlet. It always happens. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that disgustingly delicious roads necks are a

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<v Speaker 1>mandatory thing to bring on any good fishing trip. Gotta

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<v Speaker 1>have them, absolutely. I personally am a seven eleven, go

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<v Speaker 1>go to Kato kind of guy. I always say to Kato,

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<v Speaker 1>give me to Takato is the filly cheese steak one

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<v Speaker 1>and they're rolling right next to the hot dog on

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<v Speaker 1>the spinny thing there, so they getting used with some

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<v Speaker 1>of that weener essence, you know. And I also, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what als I love is bacon jerky, which is

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<v Speaker 1>stupid because it's it's just a bag of bacon. There's

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<v Speaker 1>really no jerky. You know. How about you? What what

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<v Speaker 1>what do you? What do you grab? Oh man? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I am drawn to that greasy hot case like a

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<v Speaker 1>moth to a mile cardial and barks and flame, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>And and for as much as I love a halopenio

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<v Speaker 1>corn dog that's been roasted lovingly under a heat lamp

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty six hours, I'm not willing to compromise when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to coffee. I mean, all right, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>am willing to compromise if I have to, Like, if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have other options, I will swig down some

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<v Speaker 1>thin bitter brew just for the caffeine, but I won't

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. Well, thankfully, Miles, you don't have to, because,

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<v Speaker 1>low traman. Dude, did you add? Did you really write

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<v Speaker 1>that thinking that will help us sell coffee? Man? Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a play on a common idiom. All right, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the only one thinking about down south rash. The rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us are. Yeah, no, the rest most of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people don't have their head. They're we're just kicking back,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying our delicious coffee, and we do not appreciate your

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<v Speaker 1>filthy interjections. Anyway. That's that's probably enough. Of that. We're

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly here to talk about fishing, but I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the set list here in front of me, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually seems like we're gonna stick with fungal infections

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<v Speaker 1>metaphorically speaking, at least for the next few minutes, because

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<v Speaker 1>we are leading off this week's show with my least

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<v Speaker 1>favorite segment of all time, fungal infections. That was well

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<v Speaker 1>put that I like that, But Myles is right. He's back,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Lance V. And look, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that he can be kind of grading, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we get it. We we know that lance is not

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<v Speaker 1>what anyone imagines when they, I don't know, say, say,

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<v Speaker 1>gaze into the face of their newborn child and picture

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<v Speaker 1>a successful, prosperous and productive future. But look, he is

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<v Speaker 1>a reality, like it or not. Internet culture is alive

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<v Speaker 1>and well, and fishing is not immune. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>as listener Mike Mancini put it, this is a quote. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I am humbly requesting that you keep Lance V. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate that guy. He's the absolute worst, and he's the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect embodiment of what y'all are not. I love in

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<v Speaker 1>all caps to hate in all caps that guy and

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<v Speaker 1>he needs to stay Mike. This trolling with Lance is

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<v Speaker 1>for you, buddy, the land, to the boats, to the lake,

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<v Speaker 1>to the seed being up the n on nets. But

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<v Speaker 1>your boy lands. What's happening, Qualified captains, it's your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>Internet fishing guru, Lance Vie, here to aid you in

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<v Speaker 1>continuing education about killing it as an online angler. This

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<v Speaker 1>week we have a deep question from Josh why who

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<v Speaker 1>writes guys come on this? Lance v guy is a

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<v Speaker 1>freaking chuckle head. But if he had to pick just

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<v Speaker 1>one Instagram filter, what would it be? I have to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, Josh, I didn't want to answer this question.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, this information is so powerful that it

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<v Speaker 1>could shave years off your pursuit of at greatness and

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<v Speaker 1>rocking to the top two quickly can be dangerous, just

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<v Speaker 1>as the Greek dude with the wax wings or the

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<v Speaker 1>kids and Criss Cross who spent decades in therapy to

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<v Speaker 1>overcome their desire to wear their pants backwards hashtag Daddy Mac.

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<v Speaker 1>But I decided to go for it, so brace yourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is half a Listen. I know that was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to take in. Many of you are probably

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<v Speaker 1>in shock right now. Don't torch yourself for all the

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<v Speaker 1>mediocre fish photos you posted using Ludwig or Perpetua. Those

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<v Speaker 1>wasted opportunities to grow your social media presence. You didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You were so sure using Nashville on that tight shot

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<v Speaker 1>of a bass pro brand crank bait would take your

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<v Speaker 1>posts from worthless to art that your ten followers would say,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, it's breathtaking. You were absolutely positive the slightly

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<v Speaker 1>washed out look of the lark was perfect for another

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<v Speaker 1>sun rise over the Paylake photo, and you were so wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm here to tell you it's okay. We all

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<v Speaker 1>make mistakes. Hashtag here with me. Haf A is the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always been the answer, and you need not understand why.

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<v Speaker 1>The details come with similar consequences to figuring out who

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<v Speaker 1>killed JFK or weather Vanilla Ice knowingly sampled that Queen

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<v Speaker 1>song in Ice Ice Baby, listen, I've already told you

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<v Speaker 1>too much, and I feared divulging for the information about

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<v Speaker 1>the powers of half a could lead to issues regarding

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<v Speaker 1>my personal safety or worse, a loss of sponsorship opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>with hashtag Nights of Columbus. Josh, You're welcome, but I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make it clear. I take no responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>how you or anyone else uses this information hashtag risk

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<v Speaker 1>fact there. M M, well, that's actually gave me something

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<v Speaker 1>to think about this time. You like, he really found

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<v Speaker 1>a soulful place this week. I feel like we discovered

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<v Speaker 1>some some hidden well spring of depth that none of

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<v Speaker 1>us ever knew existed in in young Lance there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like it's almost like we're trying to hint

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<v Speaker 1>at a more interesting and significant character so we can

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<v Speaker 1>disappoint everyone for our own amusement in a subsequent episode,

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<v Speaker 1>or or maybe Lance will surprise all of us with

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<v Speaker 1>his development over time. It's like a slow process. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>you'll just have to keep tuning in to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Because as long as you guys keep sending questions to

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<v Speaker 1>Bent at the mediator dot com for Lance will keep

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<v Speaker 1>passing them onto him, and he'll keep answering them a

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<v Speaker 1>week or two after his deadline passes. That's how he rolls. Yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. While I have been begrudgingly forced into recognizing

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<v Speaker 1>the power and influence of twenty one century media, I

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<v Speaker 1>have not given up on what I will always consider

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<v Speaker 1>the nucleus of fishing culture. That is to say, skillful

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<v Speaker 1>and well crafted writing. Yeah, real writing, as in words

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<v Speaker 1>on printed paper, things we used to do in former lives.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I both every so often we bring you

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<v Speaker 1>our book recommendations, and this week Miles as viewing a

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<v Speaker 1>brand spanking new title ten by one of our favorite authors,

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<v Speaker 1>who also happens to be a buddy of ours as well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for freaking philistines. What's it's a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't care about books or interesting films and things, and

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<v Speaker 1>unfas team. From a purely logical standpoint, sport fishing is stupid, pointless.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know it. Even those of us who eat

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<v Speaker 1>our catch occasionally or often will admit that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>reason we fish. Fresh flesh is at best a bonus,

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<v Speaker 1>at worst a justification. Fishing for sport is arguably hedonistic, cruel, narcissistic, selfish, sadistic,

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<v Speaker 1>and foolish. It can also be miserable, boring, excruciating, interminable

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<v Speaker 1>and obnoxious, but hot, damn when it's good, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to assume that if you're listening to this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>you know exactly what I mean. Because fishing attracts obsessives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a spectrum, of course, but every serious angler I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever known skews toward compulsion. Monty Burke is obsessed with obsessives.

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<v Speaker 1>He's built a career writing about them, and his latest book,

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<v Speaker 1>Lords of the Fly, Madness, Obsession and the Hunt for

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<v Speaker 1>the World Record Tarpan, continues the trend. This book profiles

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<v Speaker 1>the rarefied subculture of individuals who have spent some or

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<v Speaker 1>in certain cases, the vast majority of their lives trying

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<v Speaker 1>to catch record Tarpan. If there are any heroes in

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<v Speaker 1>this story, however, they don't carry fishing rods or i

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<v Speaker 1>g f A certificates. The conquesting anglers are portrayed as

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<v Speaker 1>what I would assume them to be, wealthy, entitled jerk

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<v Speaker 1>offs who don't respect the fish, the place, or each other.

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<v Speaker 1>The rootless guides who take those anglers fishing generally come

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<v Speaker 1>off as arrogant, unscrupulous, and bitter. Just about every character

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<v Speaker 1>in this book strikes as a deeply flawed human. If

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<v Speaker 1>there's a hero in this story, it's a tragic one.

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<v Speaker 1>The vanquished utopia that was the homelessauce of Florida. Tarpin

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<v Speaker 1>Fishery of the nineteen seventies and eighties. Burke describes it

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<v Speaker 1>almost as if it were the garden and the anglers

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<v Speaker 1>who indulged in its fruits, the men who precipitated the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes, the stories from on the water were stupendous,

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<v Speaker 1>almost too hard to believe, but also an aggregate too

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<v Speaker 1>hard to ignore. On the Oklahoma Flat one day, Perez

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<v Speaker 1>held the boat steady for Robinson as fish came at

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<v Speaker 1>the boat from every direction. The tarpin began to form

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<v Speaker 1>a daisy chain, and we were somehow in the center

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<v Speaker 1>of it, says Robinson. It was thirty ft wide and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen feet deep with fish from the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>water to the ocean floor. You could see flashes. It

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<v Speaker 1>was solid tarpan. Chitam and Lopez arrived one morning at

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Rock and had it to themselves. Hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>Shitam said, just take your time. There's more fish here

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<v Speaker 1>than night. Count Shitaman Lopez two were in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a daisy chain. It turned out one comprised of

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<v Speaker 1>some two thousand fish. Lopez hooked five fish and under

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<v Speaker 1>two hours. Over the next ten days he jumped more

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<v Speaker 1>than two hundred fish. He got sixty one of those

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<v Speaker 1>to the boat. It wasn't just the numbers of fish, though.

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<v Speaker 1>There were stories every day of massive fish seen but

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<v Speaker 1>not hooked, or hooked but not landed, fish well over

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred pounds. Everyone had a story, and those stories

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<v Speaker 1>of the monsters never to be caught, but only seen

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<v Speaker 1>or hooked, only to be lost, they were told with

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<v Speaker 1>more relish, more vigor, and more feeling than the stories

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<v Speaker 1>of the fish that were caught, even the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>became world records. It makes sense in angling, as in life.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the ones that get away, that haunt our dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>that push us over the brink into a lustful madness.

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<v Speaker 1>And Homas Sassa was the first place in these anglers

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<v Speaker 1>lives where hot damn, those dreams just might come true.

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<v Speaker 1>The book's narrative wends its way through a dozen different characters.

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<v Speaker 1>All the famous names of saltwater fly fishing appear, apt

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<v Speaker 1>cray palette huff records are created, then shattered, along with

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<v Speaker 1>new line classes, new tackle, new boats. The fishing world

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<v Speaker 1>descends upon this place where the tarpon are huge and plentiful.

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<v Speaker 1>They take what they can as quickly as they can,

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<v Speaker 1>and the place is left diminished. Some might say, decimated,

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<v Speaker 1>and we absorb it all through Burke's deft and tactful voice.

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<v Speaker 1>He remains a journalist in the best sense of that word,

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<v Speaker 1>presenting the people, fish and events as factually as he can,

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<v Speaker 1>except when he doesn't, diving into engrossing interludes and anecdotes

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<v Speaker 1>that skillfully tip his hand as an obsessed angler himself,

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<v Speaker 1>one who, like most everyone reading, missed the party and

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<v Speaker 1>knows that any sense of moral superiority he might feel

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<v Speaker 1>only comes from the fact that he wasn't lucky enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be among the offenders. One of the aspects that

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<v Speaker 1>makes this book so compelling is that honesty outside the

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<v Speaker 1>billfish tournament scene. Fly fishing for tarpin might be the

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<v Speaker 1>most egregious example of fishing excess on the planet. No

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<v Speaker 1>one in this country eats tarpin. Fly tackle is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the least effective method of catching one, and a good

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<v Speaker 1>guide charges eight hundred bucks a day, and the most stupid, pointless,

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<v Speaker 1>and obsessive offshoot of tarpin fly fishing culture is record chasing.

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<v Speaker 1>People spend entire lives and fortunes trying to catch one

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<v Speaker 1>fish whose gravitational pull can be measured as slightly greater

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<v Speaker 1>than another. They don't care about any other fish they

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<v Speaker 1>might catch. They don't even enjoy the experience of catching

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<v Speaker 1>a record. The fish don't actually matter. They just represent

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<v Speaker 1>challenge measurable benchmarks of validation. Lords of the Fly does

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<v Speaker 1>not shy away from any of that. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 1>power lies and recognized thing that while this form of

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<v Speaker 1>fishing might seem reprehensible, it's really just the inherent nature

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<v Speaker 1>of sport fishing pushed to its furthest and perhaps ugliest extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a confession, man, I have not read

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<v Speaker 1>Lords of the Fly yet, but not because I'm uninterested.

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<v Speaker 1>That it sounds thoroughly enjoyable. It's good I haven't read

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<v Speaker 1>it because you have been promising to send me your

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<v Speaker 1>copy for over two weeks. Now. I mean, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the mail is slow, right, I get it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it ain't that slow. So until that happens, I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have to sit here and reread Manti's Soubelly again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Look, it's the book is sitting on my desk.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right here. I'm looking at it right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>and along it's it's actually sitting stacked up with another

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<v Speaker 1>book that I've been promising to mail to you for

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<v Speaker 1>eight months. I don't know nine. It's all the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all on me. But look, I have always

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<v Speaker 1>hated going to the post office. It's never been a

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<v Speaker 1>chore that I relish or enjoyed or did with any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of zeal. But the thought of standing in an

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<v Speaker 1>hour long serpentine line in the middle of winter during

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<v Speaker 1>a massive spike in COVID cases as uh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>really depressed the old motivation, you might say. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>get that. I understand I hate the post office too,

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<v Speaker 1>especially during COVID. But what I also hear you saying

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<v Speaker 1>is I can expect those books to arrive what post vaccine? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much, so I'll put them on on the list

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<v Speaker 1>of all the other ship I can look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>when the day finally comes, seeing family, traveling, drinking in

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<v Speaker 1>places other than my basement with people other than my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>going fishing with a whole group of buddies instead of

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<v Speaker 1>a select few that you assume are being careful. So great, thanks, Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you're welcome. That is sadly true. But uh, while some

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of our lives fuel suspended, like dinosaur DNA trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in amber, for millions of years we press on. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>simply saying that life finds a way. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have a shirt with a snakehead skull on the

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<v Speaker 1>front drawn like the Jurassic Park logo that says life

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<v Speaker 1>finds a Way on the back. Yeah, it's It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite t shirts. Shout out to Geek on

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<v Speaker 1>the Water for giving me that anyway. One thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly pressed on this year is news. But we

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<v Speaker 1>don't bring you the same horrible, divisive news you might

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<v Speaker 1>find elsewhere here at Bent. We bring you something that

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<v Speaker 1>just about all of us can come together on except

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<v Speaker 1>me and Miles, of course, who are trying to vanquish

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<v Speaker 1>each other. It's time for fish news. Fish news. That

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<v Speaker 1>escalated quickly before we we hit fish news. A little housekeeping.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sorry. I apologize to everyone out there, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just I have to say this seriously enough. Just stop,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done, all right, and and and I will explain

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. It's nothing political, it's nothing you

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<v Speaker 1>might expect. It's all the things you know, but there's more. So.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you may you hopefully didn't notice this,

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<v Speaker 1>but when we were in the middle of recording fish news.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week this happened. Hey dude, I'm sorry, we gotta pause.

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<v Speaker 1>Something crazy just happened in my house and I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go check it out. Something Okay, I'm sorry. So what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell was that? Well, that was the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>my elderly neighbor mixing up the gas and brake pedals

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<v Speaker 1>and driving her Subaru into the front of my house.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where it's really happened. This This this happened

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<v Speaker 1>last week. People. I so when we record this, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the computer so Miles and I can see

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<v Speaker 1>each other, and and the part that I'll add is

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't hear it on my end, but you were

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<v Speaker 1>just like something crazy just happened. But then you left

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't turn off your computer. So the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing I saw was you standing in your hallway yelling

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<v Speaker 1>at your wife, going are you kidding me? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I should probably leave the sessions, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>last night I saw that happened. So but all right,

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<v Speaker 1>good news on that. No one was hurt. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody got hurt. The neighbor, who's a very nice woman,

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<v Speaker 1>she was not hurt. None of us were hurt. Everybody's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's the really good news. The other good news

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<v Speaker 1>is that, man, I have incredible friends. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>that the tow truck had extracted the car from my home,

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<v Speaker 1>two of my people, one a structural engineer and the

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<v Speaker 1>other contractor had dropped everything they were in the middle of,

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<v Speaker 1>like the middle their work day, to come over and

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<v Speaker 1>assess the like the structural and tear to my house

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<v Speaker 1>and put up a temporary support wall so the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing didn't fall down. And just to paint a clearer picture.

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<v Speaker 1>What do I hear banging? Yeah, I'm sorry that My

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<v Speaker 1>buddies they show like my kid, that's fine, We're good.

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<v Speaker 1>So the house is still standing, but it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>some months before it's back to normal again around here.

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<v Speaker 1>You can check out our Instagram pages to see photos

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<v Speaker 1>of the carnage and and the car in my house

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<v Speaker 1>that's at water Miles and at Joe's from Ellie. But wait,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more. That same day, a friend of mine, a

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<v Speaker 1>signature Unqui Fly designer fishing guide generally good human Andrew Grillos,

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<v Speaker 1>suffered a massive stroke, which is I mean, it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also hard to magic because we're talking. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a guy who does ultra marathons for fun. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not the person you're gonna expect this to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>to write, and and look, he's in for a long haul.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in for a lot of medical bills with his family.

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<v Speaker 1>And and listen, we've said it before, We're gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>it again. We anglers, we look out for our own.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm asking everybody out there who has the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to help, if you can get on Instagram, look up

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<v Speaker 1>the hashtag flies for Andrew and and and bid on

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<v Speaker 1>something if if you're able to, there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>amazing stuff up for grabs, from fishing gear to custom

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<v Speaker 1>art to guide trips by buddy Nick English is actually

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<v Speaker 1>auctioning off info like intel on his secret high alpine

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<v Speaker 1>trout lakes that he's spending. Yeah. Yeah, So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good people are chipping into help out and and

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<v Speaker 1>if you're able to, I just ask that you please

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<v Speaker 1>do so. Like I said, has been a NonStop dumpster

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<v Speaker 1>fire for for lots of us. But on the bright side,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I gotta say, man, it's really show me

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<v Speaker 1>that we are able to come together and look out

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<v Speaker 1>for each other when we have to. And that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>worth something, you know, it's valuable. Yeah, and and and

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<v Speaker 1>no matter, no matter how much I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>feel the vibe, if nothing else one way or the other,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost over, almost over. We're getting there. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what what what it looks like when it passes? We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but um, you know, just based on the

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<v Speaker 1>calendar alone, like we're all us that we're almost out

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<v Speaker 1>of the woods. We're going to see a change. We're

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<v Speaker 1>almost out of the woods. Anyway, housekeeping complete, let's move

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<v Speaker 1>on to the news you can use in the fish world.

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<v Speaker 1>Reminder that this is a competition. Miles and I do

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<v Speaker 1>not know what stories the other guys bringing to the table,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the end of this session are magical audio

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<v Speaker 1>engineer Phil will declare a news winner. I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>is my week to lead off. Okay, alright, great, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's lead off with this one um, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of silly, but I just couldn't leave it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>So as if e R doctors don't see enough action

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<v Speaker 1>in this time of COVID, an e er in Egypt

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<v Speaker 1>got put on notice when a man stumbled in gasping

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<v Speaker 1>for breath because, as it turned out, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>live fish stuck in his throat. You saw this story,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't the story? Yes, okay to step on your thunder.

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as you said that, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know where he's going. It's a very me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of story. It comes it comes to us from t MS,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the news equivalent of the Urban Dictionary, but

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<v Speaker 1>still from the story. And when I say from the story,

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<v Speaker 1>this is literally written like text messages like that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind like that's how their their their ship has written.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, journalism and his finest people exactly. A guy

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<v Speaker 1>who went fishing in Egypt got more than he bargained

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<v Speaker 1>for when his catch for the day tried going down

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<v Speaker 1>his gullet before he could even fry it up dot

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<v Speaker 1>dot dot, and it almost killed him. This, this one man,

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<v Speaker 1>This went down last week near Benny's sweep Swift, went

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<v Speaker 1>something about ninety miles south of Cairo. When this poor

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<v Speaker 1>fellow came stumbling into an e r down there, gasping

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<v Speaker 1>for breath and unable to speak. He obviously obviously had

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<v Speaker 1>something funky in his throat dash and that thing, it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, was a live fish. Doctors diagnosed the blockage

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<v Speaker 1>in his windpipe after running him through an X ray

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<v Speaker 1>and other tests, and then immediately got to work in

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<v Speaker 1>extracting the damn thing with some tools. TMZ says, where

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<v Speaker 1>the video I did. We'll get to the video and

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<v Speaker 1>say there is a video, But you know the word

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<v Speaker 1>is the guy was okay after all. But as for

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<v Speaker 1>how this happened in the first place, bizarre, to say

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<v Speaker 1>the least. Apparently, this dude caught this tiny fish and

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<v Speaker 1>put it between his teeth to free up his hands

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<v Speaker 1>so he could attend to another fish he had on

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<v Speaker 1>the line. I'm still quoting here. This little bastard started

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<v Speaker 1>swarming and broke free from his jaws grasp and went

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<v Speaker 1>swimming in the dude's mouth. So I I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get a species I d but I came up short

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<v Speaker 1>right this this this hard story, didn't say. But I looked,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. I couldn't find a good cross reference. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little silver fish with long red fins, maybe four

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<v Speaker 1>inches long, and it kind of looks like a telapia,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, or some kind of Yeah, who knows. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I had all kinds of weird ship down there.

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<v Speaker 1>But as as Miles brought up there's there's a video.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you watch the video? I chose not to. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't want need to see that, honestly, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it was rather anticlimactic, like it's it's it's really just

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<v Speaker 1>the dude laying there with his mouth wide open and

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<v Speaker 1>him wincing, and a bunch of doctors who are dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in like street clothes, like nightclubbing clothes, saying suction suction, suction, suction, suction,

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<v Speaker 1>and then out it pops. But just completely like completely anticlimactic.

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<v Speaker 1>But I gotta say, as bonehead as that move might be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, holding a fish between your teeth, like I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get that right, Like I I've swallowed a

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<v Speaker 1>split shot or two. I was holding in the teeth

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<v Speaker 1>because both hands that were needed to unsnarl a bird's nest,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. In the heat of the

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<v Speaker 1>moment while fishing, the mouth can become a third hand um.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only other thing that popped into my head

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<v Speaker 1>was I would rather suffer through almost choking on a

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<v Speaker 1>live fish having it in my throat than like deal

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<v Speaker 1>with them when the candaru jobbers swims up the pea hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, So that's it's a better outcome that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the same one and and TMZ being a

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<v Speaker 1>batch of journalism, and I just had a feeling you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to take this one. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna leave that one highly of me, Like you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's trash from TMZ. Thanks, I'll be over here. It's

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<v Speaker 1>some scientific journal I didn't I didn't get that science

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<v Speaker 1>this time. In fact, my first story is not science

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but it doesn't involve anybody almost choking on

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<v Speaker 1>a fish. It does involve some some conflict and some

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<v Speaker 1>drama around fishing though, so there there is a brew

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>haha going on in my home state, Okay. Beach anglers

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>and swimmers have been getting into scraps at one of

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii's most popular beaches, Almana Beach Park is a it's

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 1>like this little oasis right in the middle of the

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>island of wah Who's south shore, and that's that's the

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>populated area of the Hawaiian Islands. That's that's where Honolulu,

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the capital city is, which is a significant city, and

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 1>waiki Ki, which is a very popular and very crowded

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>swimming and surfing beach, so fishing at Waikiki Beach has

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 1>been outlawed for a long time. And if you've ever

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>been there, like that makes perfect sense, right. It's so

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 1>crowded there with so many tours and so many swimmers

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and surfers, it would be nearly impossible to castle line

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 1>without hooking or entangling someone. And you know, tours still

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>like that. No, it makes perfect sense. But I'm just

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>laughing at myself thinking of like all the ass hats

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>at the Jersey Shore or Fourth of July weekend, Like,

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 1>dude's still gonna throw a mullet rig like between the

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>swimming beach, like at the swimming beach anyway, go ahead.

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 1>They're smarter Hawai. I mean, it's just been regulated there, right,

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's the thing. Like they live on tourism

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and they live on that beach, so they said no.

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And I have to say, I have seen some tanker

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>bone fish cruising around Waikki Beach and it's super frustrating

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 1>because they're just like so arrogant and non like you

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.199
<v Speaker 1>can't touch me, dude, what are you gonna do? Ye?

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>But I mean that's a little frustrating, but again it's understandable.

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't want to fish there. That's a bad thing. Uh,

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And other beaches in that same area have been seeing

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 1>more and more regulations imposed on fishing because it's a

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>popular zone. But all Mwana has always allowed anglers and

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's never really been much of a problem. Right. The

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>beach has a man made channel dug in at the

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 1>parallels the whole length of the beach, so it's deep,

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>it's sandy, it's protected from the surf, and that's why

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>it's such a popular spot for swimmers. So in the

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>past fishermen have just avoided that area because for one,

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>it's crowded, and but more importantly, it's it's rarely been

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>productive and they focus on on the rocks just to

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the east in an area called Magic Island. But this

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>year with covid, Haois had beach closures and a travel

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>band and just a general lack of activity in that channel,

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 1>and so these huge schools of bait fish have moved

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>in like big ones, and of course larger predatory fish

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 1>have followed and now have all the anglers. And Dude,

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 1>some of the photos I saw, it's just it looks

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>like the whole thing is just devolved into utter chaos.

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like, so picture combat fishing, right, and your standard

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>combat fishing. You got rods lined up, you know, four

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>six ft apart, maybe the whole length of the beach,

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 1>but then just throwing hordes of swimmers and kayakers and

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>paddle borders all over the water where they're casting, and

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 1>I guess people have started cutting lines and just like

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>throwing lines out of their way. Fights have broken out.

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Several swimmers report getting snagged by hooks like it's it's ugly.

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>So now the state DNR is trying to come up

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>with solution, and that means regulations. Either they're going to

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>close the beach fishing entirely, or they're gonna limit fishing

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>into certain areas. And that looks like I mean, what

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that means is that south shore anglers are gonna lose

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>more access. And it's just disappointing. Man, it's a very

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>tangled web. But I mean, I don't want to fish there, Like,

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that's not my scene. I'm not gonna that's not the

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>place I'm gonna go there. You don't want to deny

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody else if that's their spot though, what they have

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>in their hometown, that's where they go. I just I

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>just wish people could be a little more civil to

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>each other and not need the state to come in

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 1>and tell them like, Okay, you can fish here, but don't.

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I wish there could just be some basic communication

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and we can figure this out on our own. I

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>realized that that's not how it's gonna work. But it's

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>just like part of a general trend I think we're

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>seeing all over the place, and it's it's disappointing, like

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I said, And the irony on this particular one though,

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 1>is that by next year, this probably isn't gonna matter. Right,

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the tourist are gonna come back. All the people are

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna come back, The bait fishushed out, and the conditions

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>are gonna go back to being what they used to be.

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>But the rules and regulations are going to be in place.

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Then like that that access is going to be gone.

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Well that's but you just said something there, and that's

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like the mental note I'm taking here.

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>So you know, by next year, the pandemic hopefully has

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>gone away and the big fish will will leave the

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>area again. But if it's as chaotic as you're saying

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>it is now, so I get it right, it was

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>low traffic throughout the whole pandemic, big fish moving to

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>cut eat the bait, and you know, they were a

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>handful of dudes who got it on that first Then

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:21.239
<v Speaker 1>we're like, oh, ship. But if it's as nuts as

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you're saying it is now, dude, I mean, how how

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>good can it still be? I mean, isn't that like

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the instant angling buzz kill like you got there? So

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>what are they even fighting over? Like are they still

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>ripping trivollis out of there like you know, ten a

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>day or is it still as good as it was

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the pandemic. I don't know, but

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>I would guarantee it's not, as I say, clarification people,

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the middle I've spoken of the pandemic as though it

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>has past, it is still still there in the middle

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>of the lockdown. But I mean, we saw we saw

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>some of that around here in the in the early

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>spring during striper season, Like things were real good and

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>there weren't that many dudes out, and then as soon

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>as everybody got comfortable, well then they were out and

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>those magic bites weren't happening anymore. I think I think

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.239
<v Speaker 1>it's all over and and that's the thing right, We're

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna end up with a bunch of new rules out

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of this, and that's just too bad. Just I think

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it is. I think it's I think it's a loss. Well,

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll also say you never want to see access taken

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>away from anglers and totally with that um at the

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>same time, like, you know, I meant what I said,

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I see that in the summer with my kids

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>on the beach. You know, it's a crowded beach, and

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I know the guy is really not trying to hurt anybody,

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>but still, man, is it a great idea that to

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>to have to circle hooks sitting out there on a

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, in an area where there's people boogieboarding, Like,

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>first of all, why would you even want to do that?

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 1>Like come back in the evening, get your ass up

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>in the early morning, and fish that cutting like that's

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>when the fishing is good anyway, you know, So I

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of get that. But look, if those anglers

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>are struggling now because the crowds are back up and

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe those gt s aren't aren't aren't running the cut

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>like they were, I might have the solution for them

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>based on this story which comes to us from Arizona's

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>East Valley Tribune headline Walmart Mason man get chummy over

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>his invention from the story A fishing lore of sorts

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>made by a Mason fisherman will soon hit the shelves

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of Walmart after clearing a hurdle in the retail giants

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>search for products made by Americans small business owners. Chum pods,

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>water situble pods of chum that can be used during fishing,

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>was created by Pierced Outdoor as a company formed by

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>fisheries biologists and Mason native Grant Pierce. The pods are

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>similar to laundry detergent pods and are useful for fishermen

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>looking to save time. I assume by that they mean

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>like not having to wait so long for a fish

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to eat their bait as is customary and fishing like

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the patients. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>pare down on the patients, is what I'm saying here.

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, uh. Pierce was one of a seventy I

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>HAVE businesses that made it from a screening process involving

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred small businesses from across the country that pitched

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>their US manufactured products during very quick thirty minute one

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>on one meetings with Walmart and Sam's Club Exacts during

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>their first ever virtual open call for for products for

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>for businesses. And uh, apparently this is part of something

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that Walmart launched in as a commitment to help boost

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>job creation and US manufacturing through buying an additional two

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and fifty billion dollars in products supporting American jobs by

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>three Right, So right off the bat, I have to say,

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>if Walmart is really holding to this initiative, right, that

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>that's awesome, right, cool, more more American manufacturing loved. And

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>also I have to can you know, congratulate Grant for

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>getting selected considering the story says the most popular categories

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of products pitched during all these sessions were food, health

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and wellness, and personal care. So he got in with

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>fishing tackle essentially um. And I looked up this chum

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>pod and it is clearly modeled after the tide pod,

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>which is clever, clearly, right. But what's most clever to

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>me is, unlike a chum product that you you broadcast,

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Actually you you bait your hook and then you add

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a chum pod to the end of your hook because

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>it's light and small, and then you cast your bait

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>out there, and now the chum is going to dissolve

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>right around your bait wherever it. And I'm not knocking

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the design at all, right, but every time I see

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>something like this, I wonder, like, will this be the

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>chum product that produces a shift in the consumption of

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>such things, because Lord knows, I've seen them all, and

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten samples of them all over the years, and

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I've used most of them, and no matter how much

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I've wanted to believe, I just have not found anything

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>like this that offers a very noticeable advantage. And I remember,

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>like in saltwater you had chum aerosol sprays and there

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>was the bait bomb you'd send down on the line.

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 1>It would like explode mid depth, you know, um, And

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 1>none of it ever seemed to work as well or

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>better than just regular roll, ground up bunker or mackel chum.

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>So I don't really see any prepackaged synthetics or or

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>or these natural pre mixed chums really interrupting the natural

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>chum market in saltwater. But then in in freshwater, I'm

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 1>curious if you agree, like I just feel like the

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>average dude who fishes freshwater doesn't incorporate chum or think

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>about chumming that other than carpet exactly exactly, so, and

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's one of the things I'm thinking about here.

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like, even if you don't like sit in a

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>lawn chair for stock trout, how many of that, dude,

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>are you flipping onto chum? And what you said about

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 1>cats and carpet is true. That's where I see this

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff falter, Like it's always marketed to all types of anglers,

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Yet the only guys who I think would really latch

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>on our carpon cat guys. So if you call it,

0:35:55.600 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, catfish pods or carp pods maybe, but got

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a bluegill on the bag. And if you need a

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>chum to catch bluegills, like try golf, you know, figure skating.

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So I look, I wish grant the best, right,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I really do good on you, But like, has the

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>consumer research really shown that that these things tear it up?

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Like are we itching for more easy chum options for freshwater?

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, here's what I said there. I think they're

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>enough hardcore cat fishing folks in this country to make

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a product like this work. But if it were me,

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's not. And maybe he knows something about market research.

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't because I haven't dug into it and that's

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>not my area of expertise. But I would be focusing

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>it on that more niche demographic and not trying to

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>go broad. That's that's what That's what my gut would

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>tell me to do. But again, I'm not a marketer,

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>so what the hell do I know? Yeah, no, no,

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and neither of I. But just just looking at the website,

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 1>like you see the baits that these pods are paired with,

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>they're clearly catfish and carp baits. Many many episodes ago,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>we talked about that that self baiting hook yep, thing

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>with the corn that slid down. You're talking about that,

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>like this is useful to everyone, Yet you watch the videos,

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>it's all pay Lake catfish. So I appreciate the sort

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>of the innovation and the thought that goes into some

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. But I mean, at the same time, man,

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>like it's all designed for sitting on a piece of

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 1>bait for a long time for a fish that is

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>mostly feeding by smell. And you know, I go buy

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a half dozen shrimp if I want to go catch catfish.

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 1>They work just fine. Like I don't need to chum

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 1>for them. They just eat that so um again. Best

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>of luck, man. I just over the years, it's been

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. I just have not seen any

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>of these, Like, dude, you're not gonna believe this product,

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>this bait bomb, this chum bomb, this this that, like

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>they all come and go. I'd say Grant's already won

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 1>because he got into He's gonna make some money. He's

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna buy some good, good gamble on their part, Yes exactly.

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I like that's the kind of thing I like to

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 1>see in terms of someone being innovative and interesting in

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>their attempt to make a living or make some money

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>off of the outdoor community. But the story that I'm

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.879
<v Speaker 1>about to drop is the exact opposite. Okay, so I've

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>got a story about someone who I can only describe

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>as as a despicable human, a narcissist, a complete narcissist

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>ass hat who considers his own social media feed and

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 1>personal ego trip the most valuable commodity on the planet

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Lance V. Even worse than Lance man. I know, it's amazing.

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, I'm not sure I should cover this

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 1>story for a few reasons I'm getting more excited just

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>keep talking. Yeah, I mean the first reason is because

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.879
<v Speaker 1>this has being covered. It's got pretty decent play around

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 1>outdoormany already, so it might be old news for some

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of our listeners. Um. Second, because this this walking skid

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>mark has just a vacuous soul that seems like it

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>can only be filled with with public tension. And I'm

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>worried that I'm by talking about him further, I'm only

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>giving him what he wants. And and third, I'm just

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>generally wary of the culture of outrage that we seem

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to be embracing right Like, we're defining ourselves by images

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and actions that we condemn publicly. And I don't want

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>to feed into any of those three things. But all

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>that said, I do condemn what this person is doing.

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>And and my goal is not so much to inspire

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>your outrage as to just get the word out about

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>this so that no one supports this person's business. What

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>are we talking? I was like, I feel like you

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 1>know what you're what you're talking about. And I told him,

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>like we all have, we have power in our wallets,

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 1>not in like our keyboard cancelation desires so, so that's

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>how we should do it, okay. So. David Lesh is

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>a former professional skier whose new goal in life seems

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to be winning gold as an internet troll. Since he

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>failed at skiing last July, Less started building his personal

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>brand as a desecrator of public lands and waters when

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.280
<v Speaker 1>he was caught ripping his snomobile around a designated wilderness

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>area in Colorado. And let me reiterate, it was July.

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>There was no snow, so he was just tearing up

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a protected, literally protected and sensitive tundra ecosystem for kicks,

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and and he got caught by the executive director of

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the foundation that looks after that area. Uh, got fined

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>five dollars in order to perform fifty hours of community service.

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>After that, he rode a dirt bike unprotected grasslands, drove

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 1>his snowmobile around a private ski resort while it was closed,

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and quote accidentally crashed his brand new plane in California's

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Half Moon Bay. And I say accidentally in air quotes

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 1>because investigators are still looking into the suspicious circumstances surrounding

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the crash, because let's just happened to be in a

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.399
<v Speaker 1>position to skip his plane across the surface and come

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to a stop lightly and easily completely unharmed after the

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>plane lost power. And he also just happened to have

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>cameras set up to capture the whole thing and it's

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>aftermath perfectly to create a viral video showing how badass

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>he is before sinking a massive jet fuel, oil and

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>other contaminants into the ocean and then ship. Starting in June,

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>he really really embraced his image as a self interested

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:22.240
<v Speaker 1>outdoor influencer. He's the guy that the Instagram accounts Turns

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.399
<v Speaker 1>of Yellowstone and Insurrect were made for, and you should

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>check those out because like, seriously, this is it's him.

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So first he posted a photo of himself walking and

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>swimming in an area that's closed to protect sensitive habitat

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and archaeological sites. That incident earned him five federal citations.

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Then this October he posted another picture of himself taking

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a dump in the iconic Maroon Lake near Aspen. So

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the background paints the stunning picture of a high mountain

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>fall landscape, but like soaring snow skiffed peaks and aspen

0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 1>groves glowing orange and yellow and fall colors, and its

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 1>crystal clear prismatic lake and then the whole thing is

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.800
<v Speaker 1>ruined by Lesh butt naked hanging onto a dead faultree

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and drop it a deuce right in the water. And

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the symbolism there is just two on the nose. Man.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't make that up. Now, I gotta say, Lesh

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.280
<v Speaker 1>And and many of his fans and supporters are claiming

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.879
<v Speaker 1>that everyone's just getting trolled and worked up over a joke.

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>The photo was doctored and none of it actually happened.

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And fans he has fans like there are people who

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>actually are like thousands of sport Yeah, And and I

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>gotta say, it doesn't matter whether it was photoshop or not.

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Like the guy has built this image of coolness around

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 1>disrespecting our waterways, and the impact of how those photos

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>will influence the behaviors and attitudes of the millions of

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>people have seen them is a whole lot more detrimental

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 1>than a single turn in the lake. Last week, a

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>judge barred Lesh from all federal public lands. That's every

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>federally controlled public land, millions and millions of acres of

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 1>public land across the country for least the duration of

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the federal court case against him. And I think that's

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a start, But I really hope that band extends for

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life. You and I don't have

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.399
<v Speaker 1>any control over that, sensing like we we we can't

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>decide what the joke is gonna do, or how he's

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna get sentence or anything. But here's what we can control.

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Lesh somewhat ironically owns an outdoor clothing brand called Vertica. Yes,

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 1>so I would like all of us to just make

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 1>sure that we and anyone who we can convince, never

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.359
<v Speaker 1>gives that brand a single dollar. Let me see it again,

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Vertica with a K. He's made for super sportive people. Yeah,

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.439
<v Speaker 1>so it wouldn't fit me anyway, So screw you. Lash.

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 1>There's there's also a citizen led petition circulating right now

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:53.959
<v Speaker 1>to revoke his business license, and I signed it. I mean, dude,

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 1>I even donated a few bucks to the cause. So

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>if the last thing I will says, if you, if

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you're one of the people who follows this this jackass,

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.439
<v Speaker 1>just just stop like jerk Offs like this guy don't

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 1>deserve the power and influence that they have accrued, and

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.759
<v Speaker 1>they won't go away until we ignore them. So I

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>just hope, I honestly hope he loses business and I

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>hope that that people stop paying attention to him and

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>he just disappears. That's what I think, that's the best

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 1>possible outcome. First, I don't know how I'm not up

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>on this. I guess I'm just not really paying enough

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>attention to the to the news here. But I gotta say,

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.439
<v Speaker 1>we and the odors like, there have been so many

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 1>things like fish pictures and so many different things that

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>that we've latched onto and like sort of berated guys.

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 1>So to have somebody particularly go for the throat like that,

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I never I never thought I would I

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>would see such a thing like that. You are, there's

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>no such thing as bad press, which is obviously what's

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 1>going on here. So even like when we've in our

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.399
<v Speaker 1>industry had people ripping on dudes about holding a fish

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that was pulled off or red or whatever it comes,

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and it goes and there's arguments on both sides. But

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>to see somebody just embrace being an outdoor jackass to

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 1>this level, um, I don't know, man, what do you

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.359
<v Speaker 1>do with What do you do with that guy? You know? Like,

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.439
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I hope that you're the only way

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:14.439
<v Speaker 1>you can kick him in the stones Is by hurting

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>his bottom line, right, Like I'm again, I fear that

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm feeding into exactly what he wants because I'm giving

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:23.439
<v Speaker 1>him more attention, which he clearly craves. But I'm doing

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>it not because i want people to get outraged. I'm

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.240
<v Speaker 1>doing it because, like I want to see his businesses fail,

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to see him broke. Well, I agree

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>with that. I'd also like to see him come out

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and do a tuna charter with the Brooklyn v out

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of Brooklyn, New York and act like a jerk off

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>on that trip eighty miles off with them boys. Well,

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>we certainly don't support Lash. We don't want you to

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.760
<v Speaker 1>support Lash, but we do support fishing guy at Hillary Hutchinson,

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>who's very awesome and a steward of the outdoors. She's

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the opposite, Yes, exactly. And as soon as as soon

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>as Phil weighs in to decide who who wins the

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>whole kitten caboodle here this week, we're gonna kick it

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>over to a tackle hack for the ages from our

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>friend Hillary. It's gonna make you a little uncomfortable, but

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go damn. That was That was one of

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the smartest things I heard all week, for his story

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 1>of the fish who looked around at twenty four mere

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>seconds before he had seen enough, and for introducing the

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>nation's youth to I'm sure what will be known as

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the chum Pod Challenge. Joe Sir Melie is the winner

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 1>this week. Back to the Future Part two got a

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>lot wrong about the year. There were definitely not enough

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>pod products, not enough dishwasher pods, tied pods, chum pods.

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.480
<v Speaker 1>But I'd say the most egregious lack of foresight was

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that Marty McFly had the chance to go see Jaws

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen in a real life movie theater full of people,

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than as a drop on HBO Max plus Prime.

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Bring on the vaccines, I can drown my self and

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 1>butter flavored topping. I'm getting hats coming from inside the

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>city the flood. Joining us today for the Tackle Hacks

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 1>is our good friend Hillary Hutchinson, who's a good friend

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of the show and and a friend of mine. It's

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>great to see you. How are you, Hillary? Hey, what's up?

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Most people probably don't know this, but uh, the first

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.359
<v Speaker 1>time Hillary and I actually hung out was years ago

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 1>when we were both at the same lodge in Alaska,

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and due to weather, got completely sucked in and were

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.759
<v Speaker 1>unable to to leave that lodge for I think like

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>four days. So we just we just fished the local

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 1>river as much as we could and and raided the

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>liquor cabinet at the lodge every single day until it

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.280
<v Speaker 1>was time to go home. Yeah, it was not terrible,

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and we were highly successful at both of those things

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 1>in the pouring rain, pouring pouring rain, which is why

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, as you mentioned, we couldn't leave the lodge

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 1>to go out to the surrounding fish or ease um.

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 1>But it was awesome. I was like, they need to

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 1>put that program on the brochure because we had a ball.

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 1>It was so much fun, it really was. And it

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>was like there was a weather window when we could

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>fly in, and like we couldn't fly again until it

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>was our day to fly out. It was just we

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 1>were just stuck there on the island with tons of

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 1>liquor and rainbow trout and silver salmon. So it was

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it was not bad. I was I was stranded oncet

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>to weather like that, only it was somewhere where there

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was nowhere to walk to fish and all the dudes

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I was with did not drink. So that sounds like

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>a good time you guys had that one time, but

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 1>sounds like maybe you were actually on the television show

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Lost in some sort of purgatory and Acosta Island, Quebec. Anyway,

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 1>this is not my segment. You keep going. We we did.

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 1>We did have have good times on that one and

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember it fondly. But we didn't actually bring you

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>here to reminisce about Alaska fishing. We brought you here

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>to lay a tackle hack on us. So what do

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you got, Well, I you know, we have a prime

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 1>dry fly season here in northwest Montana. I'm on the

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Middle Fork in the North Fork of the Flathead and

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>people are coming here for you know, world class of

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>dry fly fishing, which means you have to keep the

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 1>fly dry and all the regular hacks, um are the

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>ones that you know, I have done forever and ever.

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Like everybody kind of uses that shammy on the inside

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of their shirt, but I fish the white water stretch

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and so I'm in and out of the water all

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the time. Um and uh. And then people use like

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 1>their shammy for their sunglasses all the time. But again,

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like put that in my pocket. I'm just soaking wet

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 1>all the time, so those get wet an Ambedu patches

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like thirty dollars, and once those things get wet, they

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>stay wet. So I found something I think is pretty unorthodox.

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen anybody else do it, and it works

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>super good, and I suggest other people to try it.

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I started cutting into squares sanitary napkin like Maxi pads

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>or pantyliners, um, the thin ones, the thin ones, and

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>you can get them cheat and you can go to

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Costco miles. Why don't you go to Costco and move

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>by like the jumbo pack of the thin pantyliners or

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Maxi pads, and then you cut them into squares and

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to get the brand name ones. You

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>just get the cheap oh, you know, fred Meyer ones

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:18.920
<v Speaker 1>or whatever and um. And the reason I caught them

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 1>into squares is so that they don't look like what

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 1>they are, so you don't have like wings, and so

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that you know, Klaient doesn't look back and and see

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 1>me like, you know, squeezing the fly with the Maxi

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 1>pad and then they you know, take it back and

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 1>put it in their mouth or something, you know. So um.

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I cut them into squares or circles or

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>something so that you can't tell, or rectangles or something

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 1>so that it doesn't look like what it is and

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>so that it can be small and just in your hand.

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And UM. I have done a couple of things. One

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I have um double stick taped them into the inside

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of my jetty go box so like my big waterproof

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.359
<v Speaker 1>tackle box and um, so that I can just like

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>push the fly up against it. Um. And then I

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>have also had them in stacks, like I can have

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a whole stack of bomb um for the whole season,

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.959
<v Speaker 1>and you can reuse them because they just absorb and

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you just kind of keep keep them in there and

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 1>keep reusing them and so um it just squeeze it

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 1>on there and it just takes the water right out.

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.320
<v Speaker 1>So and if they get wet, it's crazy. So I

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:28.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys know the science behind a

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>maxi pad, but they if they get wet, all the

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>moisture goes to like to the bottom and though the

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 1>top layer of them still stays dry. And that's the

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.240
<v Speaker 1>whole point. Like that's why you see in the commercials

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>they're like keep your dry all day, so keep your

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 1>fly dry all day, um and so so unlike the

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 1>other things like an Amado patch or or your shammy

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.879
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Um, those once they get wet, they're wet.

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Once this gets wet, like if you keep in your

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.319
<v Speaker 1>pocket and you jump it up, like the bottom of

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:02.640
<v Speaker 1>it gets like heavy and kind of stays wet, but

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.399
<v Speaker 1>the top still works, so you still you get to

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 1>continue to use it. So it's it's a good one.

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it sounds weird, and I can't wait to

0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>like fish with some of my buddies in Southwest Montana

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>who are just like a man's man and they go

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 1>by all the you know Maxie plus as as unconventional

0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>as weird as you may think that is. It is

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the best tackle hack we have had yet, by far,

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 1>by far far, and a winner, no doubt, and I

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>cannot wait to see the jump in sales for generic

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 1>maxipads as soon as this particular episode airs. Hashtag not sponsored,

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I have a paid partnership. If any of those companies

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>do want to get on with with supporting this podcast,

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 1>we're welcome to entertain the always looking for advertisers. Absolutely

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 1>would be amazing if you guys had the podcasts sponsored

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:09.520
<v Speaker 1>by like stay Free. I think we're gonna just call

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:12.320
<v Speaker 1>that a life goal and say thank you so much

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Hillary for coming on again and for dropping that nugget

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.360
<v Speaker 1>of wisdom on us anytime. That's what I'm here for.

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 1>A brother. That's a good one, all right. So right

0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 1>after we recorded that, I actually rated the bathroom cabinet

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 1>and stuck a couple of penny lions and my fly

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 1>fishing kit. I haven't I haven't had chance to use

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>them yet because you know, it's cold, but I'm looking

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.799
<v Speaker 1>forward to doing it. And like actually trying that out

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 1>win drive last season comes back around. You know what, how,

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll admit it, I did the same thing. Like Hillary

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 1>brought the freaking fire with that tackle hack. She just

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 1>put everyone else past and present tackle hackers on notice.

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 1>And though we didn't actually do anything if you think

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:56.200
<v Speaker 1>about it, other than make stupid comments throughout the whole thing,

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm proud that we offered up some legit useful knowledge

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:02.360
<v Speaker 1>this week. And while we're almost out of time, we

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.439
<v Speaker 1>do have one more tidbit for you guys. Yeah, it's

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a it's time for end of the line, but this

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:11.399
<v Speaker 1>week we're gonna change things up just just a little bit. Yeah,

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of like point counterpoint, perhaps crossfire Miles

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>is actually gonna take the lead on a rig that

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.879
<v Speaker 1>truly rocked the world of fishing, and I'm gonna jump

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>in right after him for a minute or two and

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>tell you why the whole thing is bullshit. Well, that's

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>not loud enough. Technically speaking, the Alabama rigs shouldn't fit

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.719
<v Speaker 1>this segment because it isn't a lure, bait, or fly,

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.840
<v Speaker 1>but we're making an exception on this one. The a

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:47.080
<v Speaker 1>rig is a spider web of spoke like aluminum arms

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that radiate out from a central jig head and are

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>tipped with five or more separate lures, usually soft plastic

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 1>swim baits. Those aluminum arms can also feature spinner blades

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of them, and the resulting morass of

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:05.360
<v Speaker 1>conglomerated fish attractors essentially allows anglers to cast and retrieve

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 1>an entire school of simulated bait fish. Supposedly, and not surprisingly,

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 1>they could be quite effective. I say supposedly because I

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>myself have never fished in a rig, but their impact

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is hard to dispute. The Alabama rig was invented by

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Andy pass who claims he came up

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.840
<v Speaker 1>with the idea while watching tuna chase sardines on the

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Blue Planet documentary series. That makes for a good story,

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>but I find it a little suspect for reasons that

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Joe will cover in just a minute. Whatever his inspiration,

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Post built a prototype of the rig in his garage

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, in July two thousand eleven. In

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 1>October of that same year, professional bass angler Paul Elias

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>had one of Pasta's prototypes in the boat with him

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 1>while competing in an FLW event on Lake Guntersville, Alas

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.839
<v Speaker 1>wasn't doing so hot at the outset. In fact, he

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.799
<v Speaker 1>hadn't voted a single fish when he decided to try

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>out Passes rig, and then he caught fifteen pounds of

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 1>fish in forecasts. After that, he returned to the spots

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 1>where he blanked earlier in the day and landed twenty

0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:14.839
<v Speaker 1>more fish. Alias won the tournament, and the A rig

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:19.640
<v Speaker 1>became the biggest controversy and bass fishing overnight. Within a

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 1>year of its invention, it was banned from b a

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 1>SS tournaments, and within three years it became illegal in

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:30.399
<v Speaker 1>all major bass tournament circuits, fishing one in or out

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of competition is now against the law in eight states.

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Suffice to say, lots of people got real mad at

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 1>this rig, real quick. Much of the A rig hate

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:45.279
<v Speaker 1>out there gets cloaked in seemingly rational conservation arguments. Some

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:48.759
<v Speaker 1>call a rigs problematic because anglers often catch multiple fish

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 1>at once, but that doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny.

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>The vast majority of bass anglers are releasing their catches,

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and even if they are keeping dinner, the bag limit

0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't change just because they're watching multiple fish at once.

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Another dig in the interest of fish welfare stems from

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 1>claims that fish often get foul hooked by a rigs,

0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 1>but no one offers any evidence that foul hooked fish

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 1>suffer a higher immortality rate on release. In fact, I'd

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:17.720
<v Speaker 1>argue that a wound in the flank or the back

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 1>is far less detrimental than a hook deep in the

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 1>mouth back near the gills, so that one doesn't work

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>for me either. Finally, many states ban these rigs by

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.200
<v Speaker 1>claiming that they have too many hooks, but those same

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 1>states have no issue with anglers throwing lures tipped with

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 1>three separate troubles. For a total of nine barbed hook points,

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and if I have a math right, that's four more

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 1>than on a standard A rig Let's just stop with

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the holier than now conservation cloak and call this what

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>it is. People hate a riggs because their scene is

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:57.160
<v Speaker 1>too effective, which makes them feel like cheating. Anglers are competitive,

0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:00.840
<v Speaker 1>so even though fishing isn't baseball, A rigg catches get

0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 1>snubbed like the Barry Bonds home run record. Ultimately, A

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:08.360
<v Speaker 1>rigs are like anchored putter's adhesive, football globes and laser speedos.

0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 1>People refuse to use them, not because they don't work,

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>but because they think doing so diminishes the sport of fishing,

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and they view anglers who do use them as morally deficient.

0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:23.200
<v Speaker 1>But if we can set aside that subjective sense of superiority,

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I think we'll all recognize that we've got to give

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Andy pass credit. Whether we choose the fish A riggs

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.800
<v Speaker 1>or not, whether we hate him or not, his invention

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:36.040
<v Speaker 1>has had a bigger impact on fishing than anything else

0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>in at least a generation. See I give Andy Poss

0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>zero credit because as far as me and every other

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:47.040
<v Speaker 1>striperman from Maine to Delaware, is concerned the a rig

0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>has existed since the nineteen fifties or sixties, maybe earlier.

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.960
<v Speaker 1>We're sure, okay, but we are sure they were called

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 1>umbrella riggs, and I'm very sure. I hate salty umbrella

0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>riggs as much as I hate freshwater a rigs. According

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.440
<v Speaker 1>to my research, legend has it a skipper in Montauk,

0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>New York got the idea for the umbrella rig after

0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:07.560
<v Speaker 1>watching a skipper in Nova, Scotia pull strips of beer

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 1>cans on a metal bar that was likely for tuna,

0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 1>though not stripers. So is this all bullshit? Perhaps? But regardless,

0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 1>salty umbrella riggs have a wingspan of up to four

0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:19.920
<v Speaker 1>feet and can feature a dozen or more rubber shads,

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 1>surgical tube teasers, or light metal spoons. They were traditionally

0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:26.200
<v Speaker 1>slow trolled on wire line, both to help get them

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 1>deeper and to stand up to the resistance they create,

0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 1>especially after a big cow bass latches on. These days,

0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 1>guys pull umbrella riggs on a heavy braid and somehow

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:37.000
<v Speaker 1>use that to claim it's more sporting than the wire days.

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I frankly don't care what you pull an umbrella rig on.

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I find it boring as hell. Note I did not

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>say it's ineffective, because much like the a rig, it

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:48.600
<v Speaker 1>catches a mess of fish. I also did not say

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>there's no art to slow trolling stripers, because there is.

0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>You can't simply heave an umbrella rig overboard and kick

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 1>back with a beer. You have to know how to

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.800
<v Speaker 1>adjust the trolling speed based on the current, how to

0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 1>get the rig to the proper day, and where to

1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:02.960
<v Speaker 1>actually pull the thing. But once you figure all that out,

1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 1>then you can just sit back with a beer and

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>wait while the boat dribbles along at an obnoxious two

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:11.360
<v Speaker 1>miles per hour. I'm sorry, but my addiction to striper's

1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:14.000
<v Speaker 1>comes from the hit. I love seeing one boil on

1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a popper. I love when my live bunker gets nervous

1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and you know he's about to get tail thumped and inhaled.

1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:22.439
<v Speaker 1>I love the dead stop when I'm reeling a shad

1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:25.920
<v Speaker 1>around the tip of a jetty. Slow trolling umbrellas robs

1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:28.600
<v Speaker 1>you of all that good stuff. You just wait for

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the broomstick to bend in half, grab the rod and

1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>steadily really in the three feet of wire or braid

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 1>behind the boat. It's no fun, if you ask me,

1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and in my opinion serves only as a means to

1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.240
<v Speaker 1>get bass in the box, not as a means to

1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:45.600
<v Speaker 1>enjoy all the sporting qualities they offer. Andy Poss just

1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:48.480
<v Speaker 1>stole the classic Northeast rig, shrunk it down to a

1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:51.320
<v Speaker 1>barely castable size, and called it a bass bait, inadvertently

1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:55.120
<v Speaker 1>creating the only umbrella rig that cannot be fished effectively

1:00:55.280 --> 1:01:03.920
<v Speaker 1>while drinking a Budweiser or Narrogansett. Well, that's all we

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:05.959
<v Speaker 1>have for you this week. For those of you looking

1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to run this down on the A P wire, I

1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:11.560
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with the Java. Itche is the answer

1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to life's ultimate question, like an install filter version of

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the number forty two. And Hillary Hutchinson knows how to

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:22.640
<v Speaker 1>give your dry lies wings. If you enjoyed any of that,

1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 1>help us spread the word, tell your friends, tell your

1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.120
<v Speaker 1>local tackle shop, give us some stars, and if you're

1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:30.400
<v Speaker 1>feeling inspired, maybe drop us a line. Send those emails

1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to Bent at the meat Eator dot com, unless, of course,

1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you fish Alabama riggs, in which case just send in

1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.320
<v Speaker 1>a miles because I don't really want to hear from

1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you until next week. We're hoping you can find some

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<v Speaker 1>water that's either thought enough to reel through or frozen

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<v Speaker 1>enough to walk on, and if not, maybe just catch

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<v Speaker 1>up on back episodes of the show and when you

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<v Speaker 1>run out of those, look up fishing with John on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll thank you later