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Speaker 1: But I gotta say, as bonehead as that move might be,

423
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, holding a fish between your teeth, like I

424
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of get that right, Like I I've swallowed a

425
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: split shot or two. I was holding in the teeth

426
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: because both hands that were needed to unsnarl a bird's nest,

427
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. In the heat of the

428
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: moment while fishing, the mouth can become a third hand um.

429
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: And the only other thing that popped into my head

430
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: was I would rather suffer through almost choking on a

431
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: live fish having it in my throat than like deal

432
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: with them when the candaru jobbers swims up the pea hole.

433
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So that's it's a better outcome that. Yeah.

434
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: I saw the same one and and TMZ being a

435
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: batch of journalism, and I just had a feeling you

436
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: were going to take this one. So I was like,

437
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that one highly of me, Like you're like, oh,

438
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Joe's trash from TMZ. Thanks, I'll be over here. It's

439
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: some scientific journal I didn't I didn't get that science

440
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: this time. In fact, my first story is not science

441
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: at all, but it doesn't involve anybody almost choking on

442
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: a fish. It does involve some some conflict and some

443
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: drama around fishing though, so there there is a brew

444
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: haha going on in my home state, Okay. Beach anglers

445
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: and swimmers have been getting into scraps at one of

446
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: Hawaii's most popular beaches, Almana Beach Park is a it's

447
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: like this little oasis right in the middle of the

448
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: island of wah Who's south shore, and that's that's the

449
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: populated area of the Hawaiian Islands. That's that's where Honolulu,

450
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: the capital city is, which is a significant city, and

451
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: waiki Ki, which is a very popular and very crowded

452
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: swimming and surfing beach, so fishing at Waikiki Beach has

453
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: been outlawed for a long time. And if you've ever

454
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: been there, like that makes perfect sense, right. It's so

455
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: crowded there with so many tours and so many swimmers

456
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: and surfers, it would be nearly impossible to castle line

457
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: without hooking or entangling someone. And you know, tours still

458
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: like that. No, it makes perfect sense. But I'm just

459
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: laughing at myself thinking of like all the ass hats

460
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: at the Jersey Shore or Fourth of July weekend, Like,

461
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: dude's still gonna throw a mullet rig like between the

462
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: swimming beach, like at the swimming beach anyway, go ahead.

463
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: They're smarter Hawai. I mean, it's just been regulated there, right,

464
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. Like they live on tourism

465
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: and they live on that beach, so they said no.

466
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: And I have to say, I have seen some tanker

467
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: bone fish cruising around Waikki Beach and it's super frustrating

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: because they're just like so arrogant and non like you

469
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: can't touch me, dude, what are you gonna do? Ye?

470
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: But I mean that's a little frustrating, but again it's understandable.

471
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to fish there. That's a bad thing. Uh,

472
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: And other beaches in that same area have been seeing

473
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: more and more regulations imposed on fishing because it's a

474
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: popular zone. But all Mwana has always allowed anglers and

475
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: it's never really been much of a problem. Right. The

476
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: beach has a man made channel dug in at the

477
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: parallels the whole length of the beach, so it's deep,

478
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: it's sandy, it's protected from the surf, and that's why

479
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: it's such a popular spot for swimmers. So in the

480
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: past fishermen have just avoided that area because for one,

481
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: it's crowded, and but more importantly, it's it's rarely been

482
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: productive and they focus on on the rocks just to

483
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: the east in an area called Magic Island. But this

484
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: year with covid, Haois had beach closures and a travel

485
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: band and just a general lack of activity in that channel,

486
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: and so these huge schools of bait fish have moved

487
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: in like big ones, and of course larger predatory fish

488
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: have followed and now have all the anglers. And Dude,

489
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: some of the photos I saw, it's just it looks

490
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: like the whole thing is just devolved into utter chaos.

491
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: It's like, so picture combat fishing, right, and your standard

492
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: combat fishing. You got rods lined up, you know, four

493
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: six ft apart, maybe the whole length of the beach,

494
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: but then just throwing hordes of swimmers and kayakers and

495
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: paddle borders all over the water where they're casting, and

496
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: I guess people have started cutting lines and just like

497
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: throwing lines out of their way. Fights have broken out.

498
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: Several swimmers report getting snagged by hooks like it's it's ugly.

499
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: So now the state DNR is trying to come up

500
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: with solution, and that means regulations. Either they're going to

501
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: close the beach fishing entirely, or they're gonna limit fishing

502
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: into certain areas. And that looks like I mean, what

503
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: that means is that south shore anglers are gonna lose

504
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: more access. And it's just disappointing. Man, it's a very

505
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: tangled web. But I mean, I don't want to fish there, Like,

506
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: that's not my scene. I'm not gonna that's not the

507
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: place I'm gonna go there. You don't want to deny

508
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: somebody else if that's their spot though, what they have

509
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: in their hometown, that's where they go. I just I

510
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: just wish people could be a little more civil to

511
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: each other and not need the state to come in

512
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: and tell them like, Okay, you can fish here, but don't.

513
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Like I wish there could just be some basic communication

514
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and we can figure this out on our own. I

515
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: realized that that's not how it's gonna work. But it's

516
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: just like part of a general trend I think we're

517
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: seeing all over the place, and it's it's disappointing, like

518
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: I said, And the irony on this particular one though,

519
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: is that by next year, this probably isn't gonna matter. Right,

520
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: the tourist are gonna come back. All the people are

521
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: gonna come back, The bait fishushed out, and the conditions

522
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: are gonna go back to being what they used to be.

523
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: But the rules and regulations are going to be in place.

524
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Then like that that access is going to be gone.

525
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Well that's but you just said something there, and that's

526
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the mental note I'm taking here.

527
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: So you know, by next year, the pandemic hopefully has

528
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: gone away and the big fish will will leave the

529
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: area again. But if it's as chaotic as you're saying

530
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: it is now, so I get it right, it was

531
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: low traffic throughout the whole pandemic, big fish moving to

532
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: cut eat the bait, and you know, they were a

533
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: handful of dudes who got it on that first Then

534
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, ship. But if it's as nuts as

535
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: you're saying it is now, dude, I mean, how how

536
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: good can it still be? I mean, isn't that like

537
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: the instant angling buzz kill like you got there? So

538
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: what are they even fighting over? Like are they still

539
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: ripping trivollis out of there like you know, ten a

540
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: day or is it still as good as it was

541
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of the pandemic. I don't know, but

542
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: I would guarantee it's not, as I say, clarification people,

543
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: the middle I've spoken of the pandemic as though it

544
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: has past, it is still still there in the middle

545
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: of the lockdown. But I mean, we saw we saw

546
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: some of that around here in the in the early

547
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: spring during striper season, Like things were real good and

548
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: there weren't that many dudes out, and then as soon

549
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: as everybody got comfortable, well then they were out and

550
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: those magic bites weren't happening anymore. I think I think

551
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 1: it's all over and and that's the thing right, We're

552
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna end up with a bunch of new rules out

553
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: of this, and that's just too bad. Just I think

554
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: it is. I think it's I think it's a loss. Well,

555
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: I'll also say you never want to see access taken

556
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: away from anglers and totally with that um at the

557
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: same time, like, you know, I meant what I said,

558
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Like I see that in the summer with my kids

559
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: on the beach. You know, it's a crowded beach, and

560
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: I know the guy is really not trying to hurt anybody,

561
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: but still, man, is it a great idea that to

562
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: to have to circle hooks sitting out there on a

563
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, in an area where there's people boogieboarding, Like,

564
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: first of all, why would you even want to do that?

565
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: Like come back in the evening, get your ass up

566
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: in the early morning, and fish that cutting like that's

567
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: when the fishing is good anyway, you know, So I

568
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: I kind of get that. But look, if those anglers

569
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: are struggling now because the crowds are back up and

570
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: maybe those gt s aren't aren't aren't running the cut

571
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: like they were, I might have the solution for them

572
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: based on this story which comes to us from Arizona's

573
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: East Valley Tribune headline Walmart Mason man get chummy over

574
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: his invention from the story A fishing lore of sorts

575
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: made by a Mason fisherman will soon hit the shelves

576
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: of Walmart after clearing a hurdle in the retail giants

577
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: search for products made by Americans small business owners. Chum pods,

578
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: water situble pods of chum that can be used during fishing,

579
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: was created by Pierced Outdoor as a company formed by

580
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: fisheries biologists and Mason native Grant Pierce. The pods are

581
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: similar to laundry detergent pods and are useful for fishermen

582
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: looking to save time. I assume by that they mean

583
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: like not having to wait so long for a fish

584
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: to eat their bait as is customary and fishing like

585
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: the patients. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta

586
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: pare down on the patients, is what I'm saying here.

587
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh. Pierce was one of a seventy I

588
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: HAVE businesses that made it from a screening process involving

589
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: eight hundred small businesses from across the country that pitched

590
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: their US manufactured products during very quick thirty minute one

591
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: on one meetings with Walmart and Sam's Club Exacts during

592
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: their first ever virtual open call for for products for

593
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: for businesses. And uh, apparently this is part of something

594
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: that Walmart launched in as a commitment to help boost

595
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: job creation and US manufacturing through buying an additional two

596
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: and fifty billion dollars in products supporting American jobs by

597
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: three Right, So right off the bat, I have to say,

598
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: if Walmart is really holding to this initiative, right, that

599
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: that's awesome, right, cool, more more American manufacturing loved. And

600
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: also I have to can you know, congratulate Grant for

601
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: getting selected considering the story says the most popular categories

602
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: of products pitched during all these sessions were food, health

603
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: and wellness, and personal care. So he got in with

604
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: fishing tackle essentially um. And I looked up this chum

605
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: pod and it is clearly modeled after the tide pod,

606
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: which is clever, clearly, right. But what's most clever to

607
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: me is, unlike a chum product that you you broadcast,

608
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Actually you you bait your hook and then you add

609
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: a chum pod to the end of your hook because

610
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: it's light and small, and then you cast your bait

611
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: out there, and now the chum is going to dissolve

612
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: right around your bait wherever it. And I'm not knocking

613
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: the design at all, right, but every time I see

614
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: something like this, I wonder, like, will this be the

615
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: chum product that produces a shift in the consumption of

616
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: such things, because Lord knows, I've seen them all, and

617
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: I've gotten samples of them all over the years, and

618
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: I've used most of them, and no matter how much

619
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: I've wanted to believe, I just have not found anything

620
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: like this that offers a very noticeable advantage. And I remember,

621
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: like in saltwater you had chum aerosol sprays and there

622
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: was the bait bomb you'd send down on the line.

623
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: It would like explode mid depth, you know, um, And

624
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: none of it ever seemed to work as well or

625
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: better than just regular roll, ground up bunker or mackel chum.

626
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: So I don't really see any prepackaged synthetics or or

627
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: or these natural pre mixed chums really interrupting the natural

628
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: chum market in saltwater. But then in in freshwater, I'm

629
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: curious if you agree, like I just feel like the

630
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: average dude who fishes freshwater doesn't incorporate chum or think

631
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: about chumming that other than carpet exactly exactly, so, and

632
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: that's that's that's one of the things I'm thinking about here.

633
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: It's like, even if you don't like sit in a

634
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: lawn chair for stock trout, how many of that, dude,

635
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: are you flipping onto chum? And what you said about

636
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: cats and carpet is true. That's where I see this

637
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: stuff falter, Like it's always marketed to all types of anglers,

638
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Yet the only guys who I think would really latch

639
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: on our carpon cat guys. So if you call it,

640
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, catfish pods or carp pods maybe, but got

641
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: a bluegill on the bag. And if you need a

642
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: chum to catch bluegills, like try golf, you know, figure skating.

643
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I look, I wish grant the best, right,

644
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I really do good on you, But like, has the

645
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: consumer research really shown that that these things tear it up?

646
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: Like are we itching for more easy chum options for freshwater?

647
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I said there. I think they're

648
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: enough hardcore cat fishing folks in this country to make

649
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: a product like this work. But if it were me,

650
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: and it's not. And maybe he knows something about market research.

651
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't because I haven't dug into it and that's

652
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: not my area of expertise. But I would be focusing

653
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: it on that more niche demographic and not trying to

654
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: go broad. That's that's what That's what my gut would

655
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: tell me to do. But again, I'm not a marketer,

656
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: so what the hell do I know? Yeah, no, no,

657
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: and neither of I. But just just looking at the website,

658
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: like you see the baits that these pods are paired with,

659
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: they're clearly catfish and carp baits. Many many episodes ago,

660
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: we talked about that that self baiting hook yep, thing

661
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: with the corn that slid down. You're talking about that,

662
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: like this is useful to everyone, Yet you watch the videos,

663
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: it's all pay Lake catfish. So I appreciate the sort

664
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: of the innovation and the thought that goes into some

665
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But I mean, at the same time, man,

666
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: like it's all designed for sitting on a piece of

667
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: bait for a long time for a fish that is

668
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: mostly feeding by smell. And you know, I go buy

669
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: a half dozen shrimp if I want to go catch catfish.

670
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: They work just fine. Like I don't need to chum

671
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: for them. They just eat that so um again. Best

672
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: of luck, man. I just over the years, it's been

673
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I just have not seen any

674
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: of these, Like, dude, you're not gonna believe this product,

675
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: this bait bomb, this chum bomb, this this that, like

676
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: they all come and go. I'd say Grant's already won

677
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: because he got into He's gonna make some money. He's

678
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: gonna buy some good, good gamble on their part, Yes exactly.

679
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: I like that's the kind of thing I like to

680
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: see in terms of someone being innovative and interesting in

681
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: their attempt to make a living or make some money

682
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: off of the outdoor community. But the story that I'm

683
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: about to drop is the exact opposite. Okay, so I've

684
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: got a story about someone who I can only describe

685
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: as as a despicable human, a narcissist, a complete narcissist

686
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: ass hat who considers his own social media feed and

687
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: personal ego trip the most valuable commodity on the planet

688
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Lance V. Even worse than Lance man. I know, it's amazing.

689
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm not sure I should cover this

690
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: story for a few reasons I'm getting more excited just

691
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: keep talking. Yeah, I mean the first reason is because

692
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: this has being covered. It's got pretty decent play around

693
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: outdoormany already, so it might be old news for some

694
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: of our listeners. Um. Second, because this this walking skid

695
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: mark has just a vacuous soul that seems like it

696
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: can only be filled with with public tension. And I'm

697
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: worried that I'm by talking about him further, I'm only

698
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: giving him what he wants. And and third, I'm just

699
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: generally wary of the culture of outrage that we seem

700
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: to be embracing right Like, we're defining ourselves by images

701
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: and actions that we condemn publicly. And I don't want

702
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: to feed into any of those three things. But all

703
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: that said, I do condemn what this person is doing.

704
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: And and my goal is not so much to inspire

705
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: your outrage as to just get the word out about

706
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: this so that no one supports this person's business. What

707
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: are we talking? I was like, I feel like you

708
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: know what you're what you're talking about. And I told him,

709
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: like we all have, we have power in our wallets,

710
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: not in like our keyboard cancelation desires so, so that's

711
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: how we should do it, okay. So. David Lesh is

712
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: a former professional skier whose new goal in life seems

713
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: to be winning gold as an internet troll. Since he

714
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: failed at skiing last July, Less started building his personal

715
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: brand as a desecrator of public lands and waters when

716
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: he was caught ripping his snomobile around a designated wilderness

717
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: area in Colorado. And let me reiterate, it was July.

718
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: There was no snow, so he was just tearing up

719
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: a protected, literally protected and sensitive tundra ecosystem for kicks,

720
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: and and he got caught by the executive director of

721
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the foundation that looks after that area. Uh, got fined

722
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: five dollars in order to perform fifty hours of community service.

723
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: After that, he rode a dirt bike unprotected grasslands, drove

724
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: his snowmobile around a private ski resort while it was closed,

725
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: and quote accidentally crashed his brand new plane in California's

726
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: Half Moon Bay. And I say accidentally in air quotes

727
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: because investigators are still looking into the suspicious circumstances surrounding

728
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: the crash, because let's just happened to be in a

729
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: position to skip his plane across the surface and come

730
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: to a stop lightly and easily completely unharmed after the

731
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: plane lost power. And he also just happened to have

732
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: cameras set up to capture the whole thing and it's

733
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: aftermath perfectly to create a viral video showing how badass

734
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: he is before sinking a massive jet fuel, oil and

735
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: other contaminants into the ocean and then ship. Starting in June,

736
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: he really really embraced his image as a self interested

737
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: outdoor influencer. He's the guy that the Instagram accounts Turns

738
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: of Yellowstone and Insurrect were made for, and you should

739
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: check those out because like, seriously, this is it's him.

740
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: So first he posted a photo of himself walking and

741
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: swimming in an area that's closed to protect sensitive habitat

742
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: and archaeological sites. That incident earned him five federal citations.

743
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Then this October he posted another picture of himself taking

744
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: a dump in the iconic Maroon Lake near Aspen. So

745
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: the background paints the stunning picture of a high mountain

746
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: fall landscape, but like soaring snow skiffed peaks and aspen

747
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: groves glowing orange and yellow and fall colors, and its

748
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: crystal clear prismatic lake and then the whole thing is

749
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: ruined by Lesh butt naked hanging onto a dead faultree

750
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: and drop it a deuce right in the water. And

751
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: the symbolism there is just two on the nose. Man.

752
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: You can't make that up. Now, I gotta say, Lesh

753
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: And and many of his fans and supporters are claiming

754
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: that everyone's just getting trolled and worked up over a joke.

755
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: The photo was doctored and none of it actually happened.

756
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: And fans he has fans like there are people who

757
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: actually are like thousands of sport Yeah, And and I

758
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: gotta say, it doesn't matter whether it was photoshop or not.

759
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: Like the guy has built this image of coolness around

760
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: disrespecting our waterways, and the impact of how those photos

761
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: will influence the behaviors and attitudes of the millions of

762
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: people have seen them is a whole lot more detrimental

763
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: than a single turn in the lake. Last week, a

764
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: judge barred Lesh from all federal public lands. That's every

765
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: federally controlled public land, millions and millions of acres of

766
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: public land across the country for least the duration of

767
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: the federal court case against him. And I think that's

768
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: a start, But I really hope that band extends for

769
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. You and I don't have

770
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: any control over that, sensing like we we we can't

771
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: decide what the joke is gonna do, or how he's

772
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna get sentence or anything. But here's what we can control.

773
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Lesh somewhat ironically owns an outdoor clothing brand called Vertica. Yes,

774
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: so I would like all of us to just make

775
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: sure that we and anyone who we can convince, never

776
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: gives that brand a single dollar. Let me see it again,

777
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: Vertica with a K. He's made for super sportive people. Yeah,

778
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't fit me anyway, So screw you. Lash.

779
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: There's there's also a citizen led petition circulating right now

780
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: to revoke his business license, and I signed it. I mean, dude,

781
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: I even donated a few bucks to the cause. So

782
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: if the last thing I will says, if you, if

783
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: you're one of the people who follows this this jackass,

784
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: just just stop like jerk Offs like this guy don't

785
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: deserve the power and influence that they have accrued, and

786
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: they won't go away until we ignore them. So I

787
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: just hope, I honestly hope he loses business and I

788
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: hope that that people stop paying attention to him and

789
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: he just disappears. That's what I think, that's the best

790
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: possible outcome. First, I don't know how I'm not up

791
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: on this. I guess I'm just not really paying enough

792
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: attention to the to the news here. But I gotta say,

793
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: we and the odors like, there have been so many

794
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: things like fish pictures and so many different things that

795
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: that we've latched onto and like sort of berated guys.

796
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: So to have somebody particularly go for the throat like that,

797
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never I never thought I would I

798
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: would see such a thing like that. You are, there's

799
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: no such thing as bad press, which is obviously what's

800
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: going on here. So even like when we've in our

801
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: industry had people ripping on dudes about holding a fish

802
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: that was pulled off or red or whatever it comes,

803
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: and it goes and there's arguments on both sides. But

804
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: to see somebody just embrace being an outdoor jackass to

805
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: this level, um, I don't know, man, what do you

806
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: do with What do you do with that guy? You know? Like,

807
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: like I said, I hope that you're the only way

808
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: you can kick him in the stones Is by hurting

809
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: his bottom line, right, Like I'm again, I fear that

810
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm feeding into exactly what he wants because I'm giving

811
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: him more attention, which he clearly craves. But I'm doing

812
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: it not because i want people to get outraged. I'm

813
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: doing it because, like I want to see his businesses fail,

814
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: and I'd like to see him broke. Well, I agree

815
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: with that. I'd also like to see him come out

816
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: and do a tuna charter with the Brooklyn v out

817
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn, New York and act like a jerk off

818
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: on that trip eighty miles off with them boys. Well,

819
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: we certainly don't support Lash. We don't want you to

820
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: support Lash, but we do support fishing guy at Hillary Hutchinson,

821
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: who's very awesome and a steward of the outdoors. She's

822
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: the opposite, Yes, exactly. And as soon as as soon

823
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: as Phil weighs in to decide who who wins the

824
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: whole kitten caboodle here this week, we're gonna kick it

825
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: over to a tackle hack for the ages from our

826
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: friend Hillary. It's gonna make you a little uncomfortable, but

827
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna go damn. That was That was one of

828
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: the smartest things I heard all week, for his story

829
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: of the fish who looked around at twenty four mere

830
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: seconds before he had seen enough, and for introducing the

831
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: nation's youth to I'm sure what will be known as

832
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: the chum Pod Challenge. Joe Sir Melie is the winner

833
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: this week. Back to the Future Part two got a

834
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: lot wrong about the year. There were definitely not enough

835
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: pod products, not enough dishwasher pods, tied pods, chum pods.

836
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: But I'd say the most egregious lack of foresight was

837
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: that Marty McFly had the chance to go see Jaws

838
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: nineteen in a real life movie theater full of people,

839
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: rather than as a drop on HBO Max plus Prime.

840
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: Bring on the vaccines, I can drown my self and

841
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: butter flavored topping. I'm getting hats coming from inside the

842
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: city the flood. Joining us today for the Tackle Hacks

843
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: is our good friend Hillary Hutchinson, who's a good friend

844
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: of the show and and a friend of mine. It's

845
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: great to see you. How are you, Hillary? Hey, what's up?

846
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: Most people probably don't know this, but uh, the first

847
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: time Hillary and I actually hung out was years ago

848
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: when we were both at the same lodge in Alaska,

849
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: and due to weather, got completely sucked in and were

850
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: unable to to leave that lodge for I think like

851
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: four days. So we just we just fished the local

852
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: river as much as we could and and raided the

853
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: liquor cabinet at the lodge every single day until it

854
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: was time to go home. Yeah, it was not terrible,

855
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: and we were highly successful at both of those things

856
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: in the pouring rain, pouring pouring rain, which is why

857
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, we couldn't leave the lodge

858
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: to go out to the surrounding fish or ease um.

859
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: But it was awesome. I was like, they need to

860
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: put that program on the brochure because we had a ball.

861
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: It was so much fun, it really was. And it

862
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: was like there was a weather window when we could

863
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: fly in, and like we couldn't fly again until it

864
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: was our day to fly out. It was just we

865
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: were just stuck there on the island with tons of

866
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: liquor and rainbow trout and silver salmon. So it was

867
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: it was not bad. I was I was stranded oncet

868
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: to weather like that, only it was somewhere where there

869
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: was nowhere to walk to fish and all the dudes

870
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: I was with did not drink. So that sounds like

871
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: a good time you guys had that one time, but

872
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: sounds like maybe you were actually on the television show

873
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: Lost in some sort of purgatory and Acosta Island, Quebec. Anyway,

874
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: this is not my segment. You keep going. We we did.

875
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: We did have have good times on that one and

876
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I remember it fondly. But we didn't actually bring you

877
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: here to reminisce about Alaska fishing. We brought you here

878
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: to lay a tackle hack on us. So what do

879
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: you got, Well, I you know, we have a prime

880
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: dry fly season here in northwest Montana. I'm on the

881
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Middle Fork in the North Fork of the Flathead and

882
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: people are coming here for you know, world class of

883
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: dry fly fishing, which means you have to keep the

884
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: fly dry and all the regular hacks, um are the

885
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: ones that you know, I have done forever and ever.

886
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: Like everybody kind of uses that shammy on the inside

887
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: of their shirt, but I fish the white water stretch

888
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: and so I'm in and out of the water all

889
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: the time. Um and uh. And then people use like

890
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: their shammy for their sunglasses all the time. But again,

891
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: like put that in my pocket. I'm just soaking wet

892
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: all the time, so those get wet an Ambedu patches

893
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: like thirty dollars, and once those things get wet, they

894
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: stay wet. So I found something I think is pretty unorthodox.

895
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody else do it, and it works

896
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: super good, and I suggest other people to try it.

897
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: I started cutting into squares sanitary napkin like Maxi pads

898
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: or pantyliners, um, the thin ones, the thin ones, and

899
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: you can get them cheat and you can go to

900
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: Costco miles. Why don't you go to Costco and move

901
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: by like the jumbo pack of the thin pantyliners or

902
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Maxi pads, and then you cut them into squares and

903
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: you don't need to get the brand name ones. You

904
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: just get the cheap oh, you know, fred Meyer ones

905
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: or whatever and um. And the reason I caught them

906
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: into squares is so that they don't look like what

907
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: they are, so you don't have like wings, and so

908
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: that you know, Klaient doesn't look back and and see

909
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: me like, you know, squeezing the fly with the Maxi

910
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: pad and then they you know, take it back and

911
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: put it in their mouth or something, you know. So um.

912
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I cut them into squares or circles or

913
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: something so that you can't tell, or rectangles or something

914
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: so that it doesn't look like what it is and

915
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: so that it can be small and just in your hand.

916
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: And UM. I have done a couple of things. One

917
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: I have um double stick taped them into the inside

918
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: of my jetty go box so like my big waterproof

919
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: tackle box and um, so that I can just like

920
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: push the fly up against it. Um. And then I

921
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: have also had them in stacks, like I can have

922
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: a whole stack of bomb um for the whole season,

923
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: and you can reuse them because they just absorb and

924
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: you just kind of keep keep them in there and

925
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: keep reusing them and so um it just squeeze it

926
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: on there and it just takes the water right out.

927
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: So and if they get wet, it's crazy. So I

928
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know the science behind a

929
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: maxi pad, but they if they get wet, all the

930
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: moisture goes to like to the bottom and though the

931
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: top layer of them still stays dry. And that's the

932
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: whole point. Like that's why you see in the commercials

933
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: they're like keep your dry all day, so keep your

934
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: fly dry all day, um and so so unlike the

935
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: other things like an Amado patch or or your shammy

936
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, those once they get wet, they're wet.

937
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: Once this gets wet, like if you keep in your

938
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: pocket and you jump it up, like the bottom of

939
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: it gets like heavy and kind of stays wet, but

940
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: the top still works, so you still you get to

941
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: continue to use it. So it's it's a good one.

942
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: I know it sounds weird, and I can't wait to

943
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: like fish with some of my buddies in Southwest Montana

944
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: who are just like a man's man and they go

945
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: by all the you know Maxie plus as as unconventional

946
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: as weird as you may think that is. It is

947
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: the best tackle hack we have had yet, by far,

948
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: by far far, and a winner, no doubt, and I

949
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see the jump in sales for generic

950
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: maxipads as soon as this particular episode airs. Hashtag not sponsored,

951
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: I have a paid partnership. If any of those companies

952
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: do want to get on with with supporting this podcast,

953
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: we're welcome to entertain the always looking for advertisers. Absolutely

954
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: would be amazing if you guys had the podcasts sponsored

955
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: by like stay Free. I think we're gonna just call

956
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: that a life goal and say thank you so much

957
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: Hillary for coming on again and for dropping that nugget

958
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: of wisdom on us anytime. That's what I'm here for.

959
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: A brother. That's a good one, all right. So right

960
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: after we recorded that, I actually rated the bathroom cabinet

961
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: and stuck a couple of penny lions and my fly

962
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: fishing kit. I haven't I haven't had chance to use

963
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: them yet because you know, it's cold, but I'm looking

964
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: forward to doing it. And like actually trying that out

965
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: win drive last season comes back around. You know what, how,

966
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: I'll admit it, I did the same thing. Like Hillary

967
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: brought the freaking fire with that tackle hack. She just

968
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: put everyone else past and present tackle hackers on notice.

969
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: And though we didn't actually do anything if you think

970
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: about it, other than make stupid comments throughout the whole thing,

971
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm proud that we offered up some legit useful knowledge

972
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: this week. And while we're almost out of time, we

973
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: do have one more tidbit for you guys. Yeah, it's

974
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: a it's time for end of the line, but this

975
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: week we're gonna change things up just just a little bit. Yeah,

976
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like point counterpoint, perhaps crossfire Miles

977
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: is actually gonna take the lead on a rig that

978
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: truly rocked the world of fishing, and I'm gonna jump

979
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: in right after him for a minute or two and

980
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: tell you why the whole thing is bullshit. Well, that's

981
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: not loud enough. Technically speaking, the Alabama rigs shouldn't fit

982
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: this segment because it isn't a lure, bait, or fly,

983
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: but we're making an exception on this one. The a

984
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: rig is a spider web of spoke like aluminum arms

985
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: that radiate out from a central jig head and are

986
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: tipped with five or more separate lures, usually soft plastic

987
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: swim baits. Those aluminum arms can also feature spinner blades

988
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of them, and the resulting morass of

989
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: conglomerated fish attractors essentially allows anglers to cast and retrieve

990
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: an entire school of simulated bait fish. Supposedly, and not surprisingly,

991
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: they could be quite effective. I say supposedly because I

992
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: myself have never fished in a rig, but their impact

993
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: is hard to dispute. The Alabama rig was invented by

994
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: a guy named Andy pass who claims he came up

995
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: with the idea while watching tuna chase sardines on the

996
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Blue Planet documentary series. That makes for a good story,

997
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: but I find it a little suspect for reasons that

998
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: Joe will cover in just a minute. Whatever his inspiration,

999
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: Post built a prototype of the rig in his garage

1000
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, in July two thousand eleven. In

1001
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: October of that same year, professional bass angler Paul Elias

1002
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: had one of Pasta's prototypes in the boat with him

1003
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: while competing in an FLW event on Lake Guntersville, Alas

1004
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: wasn't doing so hot at the outset. In fact, he

1005
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: hadn't voted a single fish when he decided to try

1006
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: out Passes rig, and then he caught fifteen pounds of

1007
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: fish in forecasts. After that, he returned to the spots

1008
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: where he blanked earlier in the day and landed twenty

1009
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: more fish. Alias won the tournament, and the A rig

1010
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: became the biggest controversy and bass fishing overnight. Within a

1011
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: year of its invention, it was banned from b a

1012
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: SS tournaments, and within three years it became illegal in

1013
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: all major bass tournament circuits, fishing one in or out

1014
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: of competition is now against the law in eight states.

1015
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: Suffice to say, lots of people got real mad at

1016
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: this rig, real quick. Much of the A rig hate

1017
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: out there gets cloaked in seemingly rational conservation arguments. Some

1018
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: call a rigs problematic because anglers often catch multiple fish

1019
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: at once, but that doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny.

1020
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: The vast majority of bass anglers are releasing their catches,

1021
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: and even if they are keeping dinner, the bag limit

1022
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: doesn't change just because they're watching multiple fish at once.

1023
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: Another dig in the interest of fish welfare stems from

1024
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: claims that fish often get foul hooked by a rigs,

1025
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: but no one offers any evidence that foul hooked fish

1026
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: suffer a higher immortality rate on release. In fact, I'd

1027
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: argue that a wound in the flank or the back

1028
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: is far less detrimental than a hook deep in the

1029
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: mouth back near the gills, so that one doesn't work

1030
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: for me either. Finally, many states ban these rigs by

1031
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: claiming that they have too many hooks, but those same

1032
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: states have no issue with anglers throwing lures tipped with

1033
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: three separate troubles. For a total of nine barbed hook points,

1034
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: and if I have a math right, that's four more

1035
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: than on a standard A rig Let's just stop with

1036
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: the holier than now conservation cloak and call this what

1037
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: it is. People hate a riggs because their scene is

1038
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: too effective, which makes them feel like cheating. Anglers are competitive,

1039
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: so even though fishing isn't baseball, A rigg catches get

1040
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: snubbed like the Barry Bonds home run record. Ultimately, A

1041
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: rigs are like anchored putter's adhesive, football globes and laser speedos.

1042
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: People refuse to use them, not because they don't work,

1043
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: but because they think doing so diminishes the sport of fishing,

1044
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: and they view anglers who do use them as morally deficient.

1045
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: But if we can set aside that subjective sense of superiority,

1046
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: I think we'll all recognize that we've got to give

1047
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: Andy pass credit. Whether we choose the fish A riggs

1048
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: or not, whether we hate him or not, his invention

1049
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: has had a bigger impact on fishing than anything else

1050
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: in at least a generation. See I give Andy Poss

1051
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: zero credit because as far as me and every other

1052
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: striperman from Maine to Delaware, is concerned the a rig

1053
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: has existed since the nineteen fifties or sixties, maybe earlier.

1054
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: We're sure, okay, but we are sure they were called

1055
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: umbrella riggs, and I'm very sure. I hate salty umbrella

1056
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: riggs as much as I hate freshwater a rigs. According

1057
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: to my research, legend has it a skipper in Montauk,

1058
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: New York got the idea for the umbrella rig after

1059
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: watching a skipper in Nova, Scotia pull strips of beer

1060
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: cans on a metal bar that was likely for tuna,

1061
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: though not stripers. So is this all bullshit? Perhaps? But regardless,

1062
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: salty umbrella riggs have a wingspan of up to four

1063
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: feet and can feature a dozen or more rubber shads,

1064
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: surgical tube teasers, or light metal spoons. They were traditionally

1065
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: slow trolled on wire line, both to help get them

1066
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Speaker 1: deeper and to stand up to the resistance they create,

1067
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: especially after a big cow bass latches on. These days,

1068
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: guys pull umbrella riggs on a heavy braid and somehow

1069
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: use that to claim it's more sporting than the wire days.

1070
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: I frankly don't care what you pull an umbrella rig on.

1071
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: I find it boring as hell. Note I did not

1072
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: say it's ineffective, because much like the a rig, it

1073
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: catches a mess of fish. I also did not say

1074
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: there's no art to slow trolling stripers, because there is.

1075
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: You can't simply heave an umbrella rig overboard and kick

1076
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: back with a beer. You have to know how to

1077
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: adjust the trolling speed based on the current, how to

1078
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: get the rig to the proper day, and where to

1079
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: actually pull the thing. But once you figure all that out,

1080
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: then you can just sit back with a beer and

1081
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: wait while the boat dribbles along at an obnoxious two

1082
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: miles per hour. I'm sorry, but my addiction to striper's

1083
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: comes from the hit. I love seeing one boil on

1084
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: a popper. I love when my live bunker gets nervous

1085
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: and you know he's about to get tail thumped and inhaled.

1086
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: I love the dead stop when I'm reeling a shad

1087
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: around the tip of a jetty. Slow trolling umbrellas robs

1088
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: you of all that good stuff. You just wait for

1089
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: the broomstick to bend in half, grab the rod and

1090
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: steadily really in the three feet of wire or braid

1091
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: behind the boat. It's no fun, if you ask me,

1092
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: and in my opinion serves only as a means to

1093
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: get bass in the box, not as a means to

1094
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: enjoy all the sporting qualities they offer. Andy Poss just

1095
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: stole the classic Northeast rig, shrunk it down to a

1096
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: barely castable size, and called it a bass bait, inadvertently

1097
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: creating the only umbrella rig that cannot be fished effectively

1098
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: while drinking a Budweiser or Narrogansett. Well, that's all we

1099
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 1: have for you this week. For those of you looking

1100
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: to run this down on the A P wire, I

1101
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: have a problem with the Java. Itche is the answer

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01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: to life's ultimate question, like an install filter version of

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: the number forty two. And Hillary Hutchinson knows how to

1104
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: give your dry lies wings. If you enjoyed any of that,

1105
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: help us spread the word, tell your friends, tell your

1106
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: local tackle shop, give us some stars, and if you're

1107
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: feeling inspired, maybe drop us a line. Send those emails

1108
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: to Bent at the meat Eator dot com, unless, of course,

1109
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: you fish Alabama riggs, in which case just send in

1110
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: a miles because I don't really want to hear from

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01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: you until next week. We're hoping you can find some

1112
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: water that's either thought enough to reel through or frozen

1113
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: enough to walk on, and if not, maybe just catch

1114
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: up on back episodes of the show and when you

1115
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: run out of those, look up fishing with John on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You'll thank you later