1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to preview 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens upcoming game against the Cincinnati Bengals in Sincy, 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the start of the AFC North schedule for the Ravens, 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: as well as talk about some of the talking points 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: from this week leading into the game. So, Garrett, I 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: think the let's start here. The tone in Baltimore, the 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: tenor yeah in Baltimore has really changed totally the past 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: two weeks from what it was. You know, after that 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Raiders loss, it was sky is falling in Baltimore. Even 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: the rain all week this week couldn't dampen the spirits 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: of Ravens fans who are riding high after the big 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: win over the Buffalo Bills. And you know, it's just 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: an interesting it's interesting. The conversation around this team now is, 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: oh man, they're one of the best teams in the league. 16 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: You know, they skyrocketed up the power rankings and all that. 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: What do you take away from the conversation around this 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: team and how Ravens players are handling that. 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very interesting. I mean you have people, 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: you have pundits out there saying the Ravens are the 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: best team in football, even though they're sitting here at 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: too and two. 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: I think they have a legitimate case. 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can make the case of the best 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: team of football. And it's just much it's a much 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: different conversation as you As you mentioned. What's interesting is 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: like I asked Lamar Jackson about this and how you 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 2: kind of ride the highs and lows of a season, 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: and Lamar was pretty firm in his stance of I 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: remember what everyone was saying two weeks ago, so keep 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: that same energy. I'm not here for all the praise 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: right now. 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm not keeping the receipts. 34 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: Yes, and more so than just like proving people wrong 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: and keeping the receipts in that regard, he just doesn't 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: want to hear about how great the Ravens are now 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: and doesn't want everybody drinking the kool aid and buying 38 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: into this notion all other the best team in football. 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: He I think the Ravens, overall, their mindset has been 40 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: we're a really good team. We have high expectations, and 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: we just need to keep getting better and doing the thing. 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: If we to play our game, we are gonna be 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: one of the best teams of football. That's been their 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: feeling all season long. That was their feeling when they 45 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: were zero to two and they came off a really 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: bad loss, that they felt like, these are self inflicted things. 47 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: We can improve, we can handle this, we can get 48 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: through it. And now that they're sitting here a two 49 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: and two, coming off their best game of the season, 50 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: they're not playing in a parade, they're not popping to 51 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: the champagne after four games of the season, but they're saying, 52 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: this is how we can play, this is what is 53 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: supposed to look like. And I'm not gonna get too 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: bought into this notion of Wow, the Ravens are the 55 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: top team in the power rankings, let's celebrate, let's feel 56 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: good about this now, same approach, just like it was 57 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: two weeks ago, when the conversation externally was much different. 58 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the big difference is, you know, 59 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, the Ravens their backs were against the wall. 60 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: We were all talking about that, and to go drop 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: to zero to three, it would have been really tough 62 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: start for this team. And now it's how do you 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: deal with success? How do you handle the flip side right, 64 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: And to your point, I think that they've been I 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: think there definitely was a sense of urgency going to 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: Dallas that like, we have to win this game. The 67 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Ravens aren't really in that scenario now, you know. I mean, 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: you got to beat your division opponents just generally speaking. 69 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: But it's much different sitting now two and two than 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: it was zero and two. Yeah, totally, And so I 71 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: still want to see them play with that kind of 72 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: edge that they've played with the past two weeks where 73 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, in Dallas, certainly, the way they started that game, 74 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: the way they they you know, until the fourth quarter, 75 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: the way they played was really inspiring, football dominant and 76 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: then physically dominant against the Buffalo Bills, like had a 77 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: point to prove, I think, especially on defense, and then 78 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: and just ran them over offensively. I want to see 79 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: that same energy out in Cincinnati, and I think that 80 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: they will have that hearing from them this week. 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: I think that the point from Lamar in games and 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: season long is keep your foot on the gas. That's 83 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: the point in the fourth, second half, third quarter, fourth 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: quarters of these games. That's what he was saying to 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: the team in the second half of the game against 86 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: Buffalo and it started to get a little nerve wracking there. 87 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: I think that like there has legitimately that I am 88 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: seeing a legitimate difference in the way that Lamar Jackson 89 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: is carrying himself and the way he's leading this team 90 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: this year is compared to last in the last few years. 91 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: I think so too. I think it goes back to 92 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: what he said to us at the start of the 93 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: season when he came on the podcast and he said, like, 94 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: there's an urgency that I feel in my seventh year 95 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: in the league, and it's hard to get to the playoffs. 96 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: It's hard to get I realized how hard it is 97 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: to get to a super Bowl. 98 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Yep. 99 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: And he also knows that you're seven years in, so 100 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: like the clock is ticking in that sense. So he 101 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: feels that he knows that, and so he's taking it 102 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: upon himself to be more of a vocal leader, and 103 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: I think that he is really keeping everybody accoutable and 104 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: challenging everybody every single day, not just it's more than 105 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: just like let's go, you know, keep your foot on 106 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: the gas. Like the cliches that you hear within a game, 107 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: like it is a it is a constant focus for 108 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: him seven days week. 109 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing is good enough almost, you know. I mean 110 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: he gives guys props when they do well, but it's like, nah, 111 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna keep pushing. It's not good enough, right, 112 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm I'm expecting them to take that 113 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: same mentality out Cincinnati. I liked that this game is 114 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: on the road. I like the Ravens playing on the 115 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: road just generally speaking. I think that it suits them well. 116 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: And so I expect that was pretty fun. That was 117 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: very very fun. But you know, especially like when you're 118 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, the conversation and I don't think in any way, 119 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: shape or form going against the team that is your 120 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: rival and the Bengals that like, oh, this could be 121 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: a letdown game, right, Like, the Bengals are not that 122 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of opponent. I don't care what their record says 123 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: at one in three, this is a rival. Yeah, right, 124 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: These two teams have not liked each other in recent 125 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: years at all. And I but I kind of like that. 126 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: It's also it's on the road. You're going to their 127 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: place with something to prove too. 128 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Bengals they're kind of in a situation 129 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: a little bit similar to where the Ravens were two weeks. 130 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: So now they came. They got their first win of 131 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: the season last week in Carolina. But they're a team, 132 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: but they're back against the wall. They do not want 133 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: to fall to four to two, you know. They yeah, 134 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: they don't want. 135 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: To fall to own one, to fall to four, and 136 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: they didn't And I'm. 137 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: Just saying they don't want to fall one to fourth 138 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: like they are. 139 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is a chance for the 140 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Ravens to I wouldn't call it a knockout punch, but 141 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty darn close. They're gonna be on the mat. 142 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: You put them on the mat if you win this. 143 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Game, and and that would be really big. I mean, 144 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: considering Cleveland has not looked good. You know, the Steelers 145 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: are in first place, and but to the Bengals are 146 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: a team that I think going into the year, everybody thought, oh, 147 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna probably be the Ravens and the Bengals, who 148 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: are really at the top of the AFC North battle 149 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: in and out for the AFC North title. If you 150 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: can put them on the mat early in the season, 151 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: it's a big deal. 152 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be really big. 153 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: Yep. So another one of the talking points this week, 154 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: and something that Lamar Jackson talked about is, you know, 155 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: is the offense right and what direction is this offense 156 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: going to go? Can you keep running at the rate 157 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: and with the success that you're running the ball the 158 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: past two weeks or are you gonna have to pivot 159 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: more to the passing game? And we talked a little 160 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: bit about this already. You know, the funny part about 161 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: this whole conversation is the first two weeks, everybodys saying, 162 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: why aren't you using Derrick Henry more? Why isn't this 163 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: ground what's wrong with the ground game? The offensive line 164 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: can't run block, we can't run the balls? What's going on? 165 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: Then you run the ball and the line looks great 166 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: and Derick Henry's monster, and you're saying, well, why aren't 167 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: you throwing the ball? More right? Like you're not? Mark 168 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Andrews isn't catching the ball? What's Zay Flowers has been quiet? 169 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: What's going on here? 170 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: I think it's more than just why you've thrown the ball? 171 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: I think because when you win, a conversation is just 172 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: much different. To me, it's less why aren't you doing this? 173 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: And it's more of are you going to have to 174 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: do this soon because people are going to stop the rine. 175 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely a I think in this conversation and justin 176 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Sill Front lounge, yes, so to this, are they going 177 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: to stop the run? That's the first question? Yes, and 178 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: and the Bengals come into this game ranked twenty fifth 179 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: in the league in run defense, giving up one hundred 180 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: and forty five and a half yards per game, So 181 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: that question remains with them in my opinion. Are they 182 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: going to be able to stop the Ravens running attack? 183 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I think I think the Ravens are first going to 184 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: find out right before they really pivot, But if they do, yes, 185 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a legitimate question. Are the Ravens going 186 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: to be able to beat teams because they haven't done 187 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: it yet this season through the air? And are they 188 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: going to get these tight ends more involved? Mark Andrews, 189 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: as we all know and has been discussed a lot, 190 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: has zero catches the past two games. Is he going 191 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: to get more involved? Is Isaiah Likely who really had 192 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 1: that huge Week one performance, is going to get more involved? Yeah? 193 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: You know? Can they start hitting? Are they going to 194 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: start attacking the deep part of the field more, which 195 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: they have not really done yet. You know, Bateman Zay Flowers. 196 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers has been quiet recently in recent games, So 197 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: I think that question, I understand the question. It's legitimate, 198 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: but it's just funny to me how the script can 199 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: really flip pretty quickly. 200 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: One thing I'll say on Mark and I'm obviously the 201 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: Ravens weren't like going his direction a ton, but he 202 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: did have a pass that he just dropped. It's not 203 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: like he was not even looked at in the game. 204 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: He did have a pass that would have been a 205 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 2: nice completion and picked up some jars, so it's not 206 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: like he didn't get any action the last two games. Obviously, 207 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: it's it's less than we're used to seeing from Marcus. 208 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: I'm acknowledging that. I just and Lamar. My question to 209 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: Lamar was do you think teams will play you differently 210 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: given the success that you're having on the ground these 211 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, And he said yes. But he 212 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: also pointed out two weeks ago everybody was saying, you 213 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: guys can't run the ball, and what's up with your 214 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: offense and what's up with your running game on the 215 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: offensive line, So all of these things are part of 216 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: the equation. I think my expectation is that the Ravens 217 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: are gonna make teams stop them from running the ball 218 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: starting this week in Cincinnati. I think that they're gonna say, 219 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: we're having success running the ball, make you stop it, 220 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: and if you stop it, then we can pivot to 221 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: something else. 222 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: Right. 223 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: But I don't think they're gonna come out like I 224 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: don't think at first, as Toddmunkin's drawing up the script 225 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: this week for the first fifteen plays, I'm gonna venture 226 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: to guess that the majority of them are run plays, 227 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: like the of the ten of the fifteen in our 228 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: run plays. That's my guess. I don't think he's going 229 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: the other direction and saying everyone thinks're gonna run the 230 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: ball here, we're gonna open this thing up with five 231 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: straight passes, that's my I do not think that's. 232 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: The case, right, I would agree with that, and uh yeah, 233 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean Lamar's point was we believe we're a pick 234 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: your poison offense, right, and he's like basically defending these 235 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: receivers of people being like, ugh, you know, especially it's 236 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: not so much Ravens fans, because I think Ravens fans 237 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: will really mostly or entirely care about getting to win. 238 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: It's really the people out side of Ravens fans is 239 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: the fantasy football owners, the better sports betters, who are 240 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: all salty right now. At the Ravens offense, unless you 241 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: have Derrick Henry, you know that your guy's not getting 242 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: much action. And Lamar really pushed back on that and 243 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: continues to say, Look, it's a pick your poison offense. 244 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: This the run game has been the poison that's been working. 245 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: But like, I have a lot of confidence that Mark 246 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Andrews is gonna have big games and Zay Flowers is 247 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: going to have those games, and we're eventually gonna pick that. Boys. 248 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: You know, the defense is gonna pick that poison. I 249 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: should say, right, and and I agree with him. I 250 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: completely agree that Mark and Zay are gonna have big games. 251 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: It's more just win not if. 252 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just want to flip it over to 253 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: the other side of the ball. Note for this week, 254 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: Kyle van Noy, We've talked about him a lot. He's 255 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: had a great start to the season. He's last three 256 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: games he is the AFC Defensive Player of the Month. 257 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: And I want to go back to Sunday when I 258 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: said to you after the game that if they're handing 259 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: out defensive player of the Year after the first quarter 260 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: of the season, Kyle van Noy might be the guy. Yeah, 261 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: the NFL agrees with me. 262 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: That's right, It's true. I mean, yeah, look at the stats. 263 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he's leading the AFC in sacks. 264 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: He's got six sacks, he's got he had the force fumble. 265 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Right exactly, not just sacks that the force fumble was 266 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: a huge play. 267 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: Game changing play. And then even beyond that, he also 268 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: has nine quarterbacks hits, seven tackles for loss. So this 269 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: guy is he's disruptive. He has been disruptive. He's he's 270 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: been the best AFC defensive player this year, which says 271 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: a lot. 272 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, completely, I mean I did not have that one 273 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: on my bingo card. I thought that bringing back Kyle 274 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: van Noy was a good move for this team, you know, 275 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he had a career high in sacks last year. 276 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was a good move, but I didn't 277 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: have him leading the AFC and sacks to the first month. 278 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: So it's been awesome to watch. And if you haven't 279 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: done so already, definitely make sure you go and watch Wired. 280 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: This week, we had Kyle van Noy miked up for 281 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: that game against the Buffalo Bills, you know, tagged along 282 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: with him on the field and then also with his family, 283 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: which was really neat to see kind of the personal 284 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: side of Kyle van Noy. And so make sure you 285 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: go watch that. 286 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: The thing it's interesting about vn I mean I agree, yes, 287 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: definitely watch Wire. I think that's crazy about van Noy. 288 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: So he started this is basically when he joined the 289 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: team last year. He played fourteen games last year. The 290 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: thing that's crazy is that it's not just it's not 291 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: just a flash in the pan with him. He's now 292 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: played eighteen games for the Ravens and in those eighteen games, 293 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: he has fifteen sacks. That's crazy, that's remarkable. He's so 294 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: since he's been on this team, he has been a 295 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: massive difference maker. 296 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Well, I referenced the stat with Trevor Price. Yeah, it 297 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: was last that that he and Price were tied for 298 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: the most sacks for a Ravens player through their first 299 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: seventeen games. And now he's passed the Price now with 300 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: another two game sack game, and so he's legitimately the 301 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: best pass rushing signing the Ravens have ever had. 302 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that in that window, I mean, Els was great. 303 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: You know over the course of the seasons that. 304 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: He had some big years. 305 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. But but and I liked going back to Wired. 306 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: There was a conversation between Justin Tucker and Kyle van 307 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: Noy on the bench of Wired, and and Tucker just said, 308 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: the way you're playing is inspirational, given you know this 309 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: point of your career, Like, it's just inspirational. And Tucker 310 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: made a point which I completely agree with. He's like, 311 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: they're not just falling in your lap either. It's not 312 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: like these sacks are just he's he's stumbling into a 313 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: couple sacks a game. He's working for him and I 314 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: and I point to the trick play that the Bills 315 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: ran in that game where Kyle van Noy read that perfectly. 316 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: That's your experience, that's the wisdom as a veteran player. 317 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: He read that perfectly and then got to Alan for 318 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: the strip sack that totally changed that game. And van 319 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: Ney kind of felt like them running that play was 320 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: an insult to his football intelligence. 321 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the interesting thing is their defensive coordinator, Joe Brady. 322 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: Said offensive their offensive Coni offensive. 323 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: Coordinator said that, you know, basically, and he saw them 324 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: change their defensive line and van Ney come in the game, 325 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: he should have switched out of the play. 326 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: Because he just knows how smart Vanoy is. 327 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was a mistake and that they should 328 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: have canned that play, that it was probably doomed from 329 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the beginning. And he was saying that like knowing the 330 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: game situation, just being aware like they were kind of 331 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: mounting to come back. It just wasn't the right time 332 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: for a trick play. And then when the Ravens made 333 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, when van Noy was on the field, like 334 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: they should have just gotten out of it. And he 335 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: felt like that cost them the game. Now you got 336 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: you got beat by twenty five points. Not gonna sit 337 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: here and say, oh, yeah, the Bills would have won 338 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: that game if they are on that play, if they 339 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: don't run that play, but they were mounting comeback. It 340 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: was starting to get dicey, We'll say that. And so 341 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. 342 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just it sows it shows both levels 343 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: of his game, but shows the intelligence, but then it 344 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: also shows the athleticism to make the play. It's like 345 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: he just he stopped the play and and got him 346 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: out of it. No, he he stopped the play and 347 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: then got the stripsack to completely shift the momentum of 348 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: that game. So, man, Vanoy's been awesome. It's been fun 349 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: to watch him and keep it going. Like, I don't 350 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: think he's slowing down. 351 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it goes back to I think this 352 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: offseason a lot of Ravens fans felt like and pundits 353 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: I think felt like clown Jadevion Clowney bringing him back 354 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: was priority number one, right, and if you didn't bring 355 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: him back, all right, you know, maybe you bring back 356 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: van Noy. Van Ney has been gotten off to a 357 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: much better start than Clowney has. You know, even when 358 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: you when you revisit a lot of the Ravens right now, 359 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: when you go back and you revisit this offseason and 360 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: the decisions that the Ravens have made and how it's 361 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: panned out for other teams. In for the Ravens looking 362 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty darn good. Yeah. 363 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: I mean, Clowney has one sack in four games so 364 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: far with Carolina, and he's signed a bigger contract. So 365 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: and you know, another one significantly bigger, significantly another one 366 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: of the players that the Ravens lost this off season. 367 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: They're going to see on Sunday Genus Stone signed with. 368 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Some rumblings about him not taking good angles and things 369 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: like that. In Cincinnati Steelers fans, are you know, getting 370 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: on Patrick Queen for the start that he's gotten off 371 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: to there? The offensive line is coming together here in 372 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: Baltimore that you know. I think Morgan Moses is injured. 373 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: Zeitler's been good, but the Jets offensive line has not 374 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: been particularly good. John Simpson's there also, Yeah, and so 375 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: across the board right now, it's looking like the Ravens 376 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: made a lot of good decisions. 377 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Genostone piece will be an interesting 378 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: one of this game because I'm sure Gino had a 379 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: great experience here. But whenever a player goes up against 380 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: an old team, they always find motivation, right, They always 381 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: are looking for a sliver of an insult to motivate 382 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: they they you know, they let me go, they didn't 383 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: want me. I'm sure that's what Gino's telling himself of 384 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: the course of this week, and he's gonna be looking 385 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: to come up with a takeaway and then and that's 386 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: one thing that he He's always in the right place, 387 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: and he has a knack for finding the football. So 388 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: I do think that that is something that Lamar is 389 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: gonna have to be cognizant of. Is you don't I 390 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: don't need to see Gino running the other way with 391 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: the football in this game. Yeah, I don't need to see. 392 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: It will be a big bar. 393 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: I don't want to see that. 394 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that hit that Kyle van Ney put 395 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: on Josh Allen, you know the other guy that hit him, 396 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Travis Jones, and he hit him a little bit harder. 397 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle hit the football. Travis Jones hit Josh Allen. 398 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: And you know, we heard from Travis this week. And 399 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: this is a guy that really is coming into his 400 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: own and it's no surprising. I think a lot of 401 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: us here in Baltimore that was watching, those of us 402 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: who watched the training camp practices day in and day out, 403 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: saw this coming. The guy was just eating and it's 404 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: coming to fruition. I mean, I don't think it's crazy 405 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: to wonder whether he's the next Hellodi Nada, which is 406 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: I know that's a high bar. And Travis Jones has, 407 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, a lot more plays to make before he 408 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: can measure up in that way. But this dude is 409 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: not an Esque. 410 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: Physically, That's true. Look, Holiday Nada is a Ring of 411 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: Honor player. 412 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: He's a potential Hall of Famer, one of the best 413 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: players in franchise history. 414 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that Travis Jones has been really 415 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: good this year. I'm gonna pump the brakes a little 416 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: bit on the Holily comparison. What about Brandon Williams too. 417 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: Brandon Williams is a really good player. 418 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're different players, I think. I think what 419 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying is like style of play, who they are, 420 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: how they play the game, what they do to affect 421 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: the game. I think he's a lot. I think that 422 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: Travis is a lot closer to Hallodi than Brandon was from. 423 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 2: A pass rushing standpoint or what in what way? 424 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a pass rushing standpoint ability to kind 425 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: of get in the backfield and put pressure on you 426 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: mm hm. Brandon Williams is a block eater for the 427 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: most part. Yeah, you know, run stopper. I think that 428 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Travis Jones is certainly showing he's got a different dimension 429 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: to his game. 430 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 2: He's been he's been great and and one thing that 431 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: was interesting in talking with him this week is that 432 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: he he's playing great and maybe he's just sharing some 433 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: of the some of the success. But it goes back 434 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: to Nomdi Matabik, and he pointed to Travis pointed to 435 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: the attention that Nomdi Matabik is getting and said, he's 436 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: getting a ton of attention, a ton of double teams. 437 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: So that leaves me one on one, and so what 438 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: do I. 439 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: Have to do. 440 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: I have to win my one on one matchups, and 441 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: he's gonna win most of those one on one matchups 442 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: because it's been a little bit of a quiet start 443 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: to the season for Madabak. He's been in he's been 444 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: involved in the action, and he's applied pressure and I 445 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: don't think it's been a bad start to the season 446 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: for him, but we're not seeing the sack production for 447 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: him that we saw last year, certainly, But that's opened 448 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: the opportunity for Travis Jones to get in there, get 449 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: in the backfield, and even guys off off the edge 450 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 2: like Kyle van Noy. Mattabek is just attracting a lot 451 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: of eyes and a lot of blocks, and then the 452 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: guys around him are are feasting as a result, but 453 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: they have to make Like I want to give mad 454 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: Abka credit, but I also want to give Travis Jones 455 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: credit for making the plays when he It's one thing 456 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: to be one on one, but you got to win 457 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: that matchup, and Jones has been winning that matchup. And 458 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: we asked him about that hit on Allen and he 459 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: said he's really never hit a quarterback harder than that. 460 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, that's about That's about as clean of a 461 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: shot as you're gonna get. 462 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: He also said he wish he hit him harder because 463 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: he eased up a little bit of the last second. 464 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, honestly, that's part of like I'm sure too. 465 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: When I look at the next Gen stats, his top 466 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: speed rated last second dip and that's why I asked 467 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: for that and he was like, yeah, I slowed up. 468 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: Well, you kind of as a when you're when you're 469 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: a defensive player and you got a quarterback in your 470 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: in your sights, you have to be careful and you 471 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: have to quarterbacks are protected, so you don't want to 472 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 2: get a penalty. Could you imagine if you hit him 473 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: too hard, he hit him in the head, and you 474 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: get a penalty on that play and it takes away 475 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: that strip sack. That would have been a very different 476 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: having a different Travis Jones. But yeah, we'd be having 477 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: a different Travis Jones conversation on that play. 478 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, just I know a lot of 479 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Bills fans were complaining that that wasn't 480 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: a penalty once he got stripped. He's a player just 481 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: like anybody else. That ball is loose, he's a player 482 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: just like anybody else. Now, and you know, you can 483 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: still get a penalty for. 484 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: Unnecessarily unecessary roughness. 485 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it wasn't a hit to the head, right, 486 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: He didn't hit him with the crown of his helmet, 487 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: none of that. It was a clean hit. 488 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was a clean hit. It was a 489 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: clean hit. Yeah, it was a big hit. 490 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: There's no like late late hit on a quarterback, right, 491 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: because he threw the ball and you hit him late 492 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: he fumbled. Yeah, and once he fumbles, he's just like 493 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: anybody else out there. 494 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, it's it. I don't think I think 495 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: it was a totally clean hit. But with the way 496 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: that officials protect yeah, quarterbacks, you're always concerned about getting 497 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: a flag whenever you touch one. 498 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: That so. 499 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: Letting up at the last second, there was a smart 500 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: decision by Travis. 501 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. The last point I want to talk about, 502 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: and this has been one of the biggest talking points 503 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: of the week, is DeVante Adams. He has reportedly requested 504 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: a trade. The Raiders are reportedly open to trading him, 505 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: and of course, anytime there's a big name of the market, 506 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: especially at wide receiver, Ravens fans are all about it, right, 507 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of speculation, media speculation about 508 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: how fun that fit would be here in Baltimore, and 509 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: even a report this week now that the Ravens, you know, 510 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: this is Ian rapport saying that the Jets are probably 511 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: the leading contender that would be reuniting with Aaron Rodgers. 512 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: They those two played together in Green Bay, but that 513 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers, Buffalo Bills, Dallas Cowboys, 514 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, and Ravens are among teams that have 515 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: either inquired about Davante Adams or places that Adams would 516 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: be happy going to. So that's some news. Yeah, it 517 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: would be tough for the Ravens to do this. That's 518 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: just from a salary cap standpoint. The Ravens have four 519 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: point three million dollars in salary cap space per over 520 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: the cap DeVante Adams would immediately count for thirteen and 521 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: a half million, So they got to make up that 522 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: difference somehow, either by they would have to either restructure 523 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: more contracts, which they already did a couple to get 524 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: under the South recap, or they would have to have 525 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: the Raiders eat a significant amount of his salary, cap 526 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: space or hit for this year. Yeah, and beyond that, 527 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: he's also do thirty six million and thirty seven million 528 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: in the next two years, So the Ravens aren't going 529 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: to be able to swallow that those kind of cap 530 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: hits most likely less they really change the roster, so 531 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: they would have to get them signed to an extension 532 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: that would bring those numbers down. 533 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of salary cap maneuvering that 534 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: would have to take place if the Ravens were going 535 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: to do this, obviously, and if the Raiders were to 536 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: take on some of his salary, that probably increases the 537 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: draft pick compensation or the player compensation that the Ravens 538 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: are sending back in that direction. If there's reports that 539 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: they want a package that includes a third round or 540 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: in that range. Let's just for hypothetical purposes, if they're 541 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: looking for a third rounder, well, you're going to need 542 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: to eat the salary now, you're going to need to 543 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: kick that up to a second round or a third 544 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: and a fourth, which. 545 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: That happened with the Roku one Smith trade bears eate 546 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: some of that good amount of his. 547 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: Salary right because he was playing that year on the 548 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: fifth year option exactly. So there's there's different ways that 549 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 2: they can attack the salary cap question there. So I 550 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: think that like if the Ravens felt like this is 551 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: a guy that we we want to get, that the 552 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: Raiders like what the Ravens are offering, I think you 553 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: could make it work. You there's a way to make 554 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: it work. The question there's it's really twofold. One is 555 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: how much is Devanta Adams controlling where he goes. There's 556 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: reports that he's maybe orchestrating this move to New York. 557 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 2: He wants to reunite with Aaron Rodgers. There's also been 558 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: reports that maybe he wants to team up with Derek Carr, 559 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: who is this college teammate who we played with in 560 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: Vegas before Derek Carr went to New Orleans, so we 561 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: could go to New Orleans. There's all these reports out there. 562 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what's true, but does he want to 563 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: team up with one? Does he already have in mind 564 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: where he wants to go? You know, he spoke very glowingly, 565 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: of course about Lamar Jackson going into that game in 566 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: Week two, and then look, we all saw what happened 567 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: in that game. He put on a show in that game, 568 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 2: and him and Max Crosby basically won that game for 569 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: the Raiders. So the Ravens John Harbaugh was asked about this, 570 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: just so it's clear the Ravens can't speak on other 571 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 2: players and the potential of trading for them, like that's 572 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: not allowed. Like, so that's not You're not going to 573 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: get anything public. It's all just reports right now. So 574 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if the Ravens are interested or not. 575 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: What we have seen is that if the Ravens feel 576 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: like there's a move to be made from a trade standpoint, 577 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: Eric DaCosta explores it, he has a history of this. 578 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: They added Roquan Smith of the deadline, They added Marcus 579 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: Peters of the deadline, They added Yanikkin Gakway. They were 580 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: in the mix on trading for Derek Henry last year. 581 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: So like there's a lot of evidence that if they 582 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: feel like they want to make a move, then they 583 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: will explore that option. Whether Devanta Adams is that guy, 584 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, we'll have to wait and see. 585 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: But the Ravens are always looking for ways to improve 586 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: the roster, and DeVante Adams is obviously a Hall of 587 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: Fame player. 588 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I'll also add that in January. It's 589 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: just kind of funny. This clip resurfaced that Davante was 590 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: asked basically, would you rather go to a team where 591 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna put up fifteen hundred receiving yards or would 592 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: you be cool going and playing with Lamar Jackson and 593 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the Ravens and maybe you're putting up eight hundred, yeah, 594 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: eight fifty something like that. And he was like, you know, 595 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: I've had big seasons in my career already. He was like, 596 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: look if it's two thousand yards and I'm like breaking 597 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: records and stuff like, okay, but He's like, I've had 598 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yard seasons. Like for me at this point, 599 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: it's about winning the big one. And like he basically 600 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: spoke about, you know, he picked Lamar picked that side 601 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: of the coin. So like to people who think, oh, Adams, 602 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: he'd want the ball too much and he wouldn't be 603 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: happy in an offense that, as we've seen, is going 604 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: to be pretty run heavy and all that. I don't 605 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: know about that, you know from his own words. And 606 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: so the question, I think, too becomes for the Ravens, 607 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: like what does that do? What would that do for 608 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: the offense? What does that take you? Does that get 609 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: you over the hump? That's the question. Right, does Davante 610 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: Adams the Ravens have fallen short of the Super Bowl? Right? 611 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: Does DeVante Adams get you over the hump? 612 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: Right? 613 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: If you're Eric Costin you think that answer is yes, 614 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: then I think you you're interested. You're picking up that 615 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: phone and you'll find out what it's going to take. Yeah, 616 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: if you think that's the answer. If you think our 617 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: guys here are good enough to get us over that helmp, 618 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: we're playing really good football. We're going to be a 619 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: run focused team. I don't think that Davante Adams is 620 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: worth what it takes to give up, Then you don't. 621 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: And I'm sure those are the conversations that the Raves 622 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: are having probably as we speak, and it'll be this 623 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: will be one of the big NFL storylines here the 624 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: Davante Adams situation and where it goes over the course 625 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: of the next few days and weeks however long this 626 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: thing takes to find out where he lands. But it's 627 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: that's gonna be interesting to see where it plays out. 628 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: And last point, just John Harball reiterated we you know 629 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: quote we love our guys. Yeah, and yeah, I think 630 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: I think that is definitely true that the Ravens love 631 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers. I mean, we're sitting here talking about picker poison. 632 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: They got too many weapons, guys aren't even getting the 633 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: ball like Zay Flowers. They love Zay Flowers, they love Bateman, 634 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: and Zay has been extremely quiet the past two weeks. 635 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: So like if if you were to go get Dvante Adams, 636 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: it's the whole offense change, you know. I mean, like 637 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: these guys are getting barely targeted as it is. 638 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's all part of the consideration. 639 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Yep, totally. So we're gonna take a break and when 640 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna break down some of the 641 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: bigger points in this Bengals game and what you need 642 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: to be looking forward to. 643 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the lounge podcasts. We are coming to 644 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: you from the Sea Geek Studio. We want to make 645 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: sure that we mentioned our partners DraftKings sports Book. They 646 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: are an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens 647 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: Draft Kings Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So the Ravens 648 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: are heading to Cincinnati this weekend. Bengals, as we mentioned, 649 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: are one in three. Ravens, of course are two and two. 650 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: But you know, the big story for the Bengals coming 651 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: into this year Joe Burrow getting healthy. Missed his season 652 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: ended that Thursday night in Baltimore where he hurt his 653 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: wrists and then spent the rest of the year on 654 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: IR and you know, it's kind of been a long 655 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: road back for him. And early in the year it 656 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: kind of was like, is his hand okay, he's wearing 657 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: a glove. It's picking up his water bottle where he's 658 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: got a sleeve, he's wearing a glove, He's not wearing 659 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: a glove, Like does he have the zip on his passes? 660 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: Though? 661 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: That was like the conversation around him, and it's really 662 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks it seems like whether he's 663 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: just gotten healthier or whether the offense has just gotten better. 664 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 2: That doesn't that that conversation is nowhere near as prevalent 665 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: as it was weeks one. In weeks two, this offense 666 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: is coming together from Cincinnati. T Higgins is back on 667 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: the field to March. Chase has been in the offense. 668 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: Now he's back on the field full go. So that 669 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: helps when you have your top two explosive receivers on 670 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: the field. 671 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: And I think Burrow has been playing better. 672 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: He's been playing great. 673 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: And so you know over the last three weeks, Joe 674 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: Burrow's throwing seven touchdowns to only one interception. He's had 675 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback rating over one hundred the past three weeks. 676 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: So he's seating up. That's what it is. And so 677 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: is this offense mean? Jamar Chase has been a monster. 678 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: He had a long touchdown in Carolina where he broke 679 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: through a tackle and took it up the sideline. The 680 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: Ravens have seen that play. Marlon Humphrey had a front 681 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: row seat to that play where you don't wrap that 682 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: guy up and he toasts you for a long touchdown. 683 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: So this is not an offense that the Ravens certainly 684 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: are taking lately. They have a lot of weapons they're 685 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: getting hot at this time, and Marlon Humphrey specifically said 686 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: the matchup of the game is us the quarnerbacks matching 687 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: up against their wide receivers. 688 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's The Ravens secondary had a 689 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: big time bounce back week, big time bounce back week 690 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: against the Bills, and Marlin when he talked with the 691 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: media this week, also made it clear like they do 692 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 2: not like being thirty two. They don't like when they 693 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: throw the stats up there and the Raves, sure they're 694 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: not a twenty ninth now ninth, but they were thirty 695 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: two going They were thirty two going into that Bills game, 696 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: and they did not like that, understandably. So this is 697 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: a prideful secondary and a talent's secondary with a lot 698 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: of really good players. They shouldn't be thirty second, they 699 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: shouldn't be twenty ninth. You need to kind of chip 700 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: away at that over the course of the season. 701 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Well, and another point of news this week, Arthur Mollett 702 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: got back on the field. So the secondary that the Ravens, 703 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's so much talent in the secondary. It 704 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: got even richer with the return of Arthur Mullett. Now 705 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: John Harball said, it's going to be a ramp up process. 706 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: We don't really know that he's going to get back 707 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: to game action. He's eligible to return against the Bengals, 708 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: but and he looked good on the practice field in 709 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: the portion that was open to reporters, but he was 710 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: still limited on the injury list injury report, and I 711 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: think it remains to be seen whether he's going to 712 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: play in this game or not. 713 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: Well, he also has to be activated to the fifty 714 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: three men roster. He's currently not on the spot right 715 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: so they could activate him this weekend. Typically those moves 716 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: happen on Saturday. The other move, as we're talking about 717 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: injuries and players coming back from injured reserve, is Rasheen Ali, 718 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: the Ravens rookie running back, return to practice on Thursday, 719 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: and he also could be eligible to return if the 720 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: Ravens wanted to activate him. Obviously, there's the Ravens are 721 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: pretty well set at the running back position right now 722 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: with their top two guys and Derrick Henry and then 723 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: Justice Hill, and they've been pulling up players from the 724 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: practice squad to fill out that final spot. From a 725 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: game day activation standpoint, they could do that again and 726 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: give Rashin Ali more time to work his way back 727 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 2: and just get healthy. And then lastly on the injury 728 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: front conversation, it was good when the Ravens took the 729 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: practice field this week all fifty two guys because as 730 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 2: you mentioned, they only have fifty two guys perfect attendants, exact, 731 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: perfect attendants. 732 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: To get the little ribbon, you get the star, you know, 733 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: for perfect attendants. 734 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 2: That's what you want to see. That's right. You do 735 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: not want to see key players in the Ravens has 736 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: some key guys, you know, down with injuries. Last year 737 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: during practice the Madjeor a little nervous and before he 738 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: didn't play in the game. So I don't know if 739 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: everybody will make it to the game or not, but 740 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: everybody was out there and that is that is good. 741 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: The first time since the week started that they had 742 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: a day of perfect tessince the season started, correct, and 743 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: which is pretty remarkable. You're going into week five, yeah, 744 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: and you know, knock on wood, knocking everything. Everybody listening 745 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: at home, knock on wood. All right, but it's it's been, 746 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: it's been pretty great so far. I want to circle 747 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: back to Burrow just quickly, and he is heating up 748 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: he has not lit up the Ravens in a couple 749 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: of years, and so Dugan's stats a little bit on this. Now, 750 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: last year he left the game early because of the 751 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: wrist injury. But in the first in those two games, 752 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: he threw for three hundred and twenty three yards, three touchdowns, 753 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: and one interception against Ravens. In those two games, there's 754 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: really one and a half. 755 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: I don't even know it's a half, it's one in 756 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: a quarter. I mean, he didn't even make it to 757 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: the halftime of that game and they were basically at 758 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: the ten yard line when he got hurt. 759 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got hurt. He had one hundred yards in 760 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: that game. 761 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: Did he throw didn't get hurt on play through a 762 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: touchdown pass? 763 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: That's correct. 764 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: So, like I'm just saying, right, but. 765 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: Go back, you go back to twenty twenty one. You 766 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: remember those games. There were four hundred, five hundred yard games. 767 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: Now that was away, that was that was the asurally 768 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: riddled secondary season. 769 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: That's correct. They were. They were hampered, Yes, he shredded them. 770 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: Yes. 771 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: So last all right, fine, remove the game. 772 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 2: Removed the game that also, we're just taking out every game. 773 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: Removed the game that he got injured in Yeah, Okay, 774 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: the game before that, it wasn't like he lit the 775 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: world on fire. Okay, So you go back even the 776 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two in two games, he had four hundred 777 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: and thirty two passing yards, two touchdowns, and one interception 778 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,479 Speaker 1: in two games. Right, So that's just over two hundred 779 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: and fifteen yards a game. 780 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 781 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: So what the Ravens have done is really try to 782 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: They've made a conscious effort of taking away the big play. 783 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: It's the Melkkiper exactly. It's the melk Kuiper game, the 784 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: two I saved like, that's what That's where they beat you. 785 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: That's where Jamar Chase t Higgins. You know, you look 786 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: at the Jamar Chase touchdown against the against the Panthers 787 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: last week. Broken tackle, take it the distance, right, it's 788 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: the big plays. Yeah, and so you have to tackle 789 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: well against these Bengals wide receivers or they will make 790 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: you pay. That will be a point of focus this week. 791 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: And you have to keep a lid on Joe Burrow 792 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: and that that passing offense. The Ravens have done a 793 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: really good job of that the past two years, and 794 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: that's going to be a major key to this game. 795 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: You know what I think is an important player in 796 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 2: this game is Marcus Williams for that reason. And you know, 797 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: it's been a quiet year for Marcus Williams. And this 798 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: was a guy when he first arrived here, he made 799 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: an immediate impact and then he's dealt with injuries the 800 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 2: last couple of years and he's been healthy this year, 801 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 2: but he's been quiet for him. This could be a 802 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 2: game where the Ray need him to come up with 803 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: a takeaway or a big play, and I think that 804 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: he has that ability to do that, and beyond the 805 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 2: big play, certainly avoiding and preventing the big play is 806 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 2: gonna be on his shoulders as well. So I think 807 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: it's in a pretty important game for Marks Williams. 808 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. He's the center fielder and he's gonna 809 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: be the guy. You know. I thought Zach Orr did 810 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: a good job mixing and matching his coverages and disguising 811 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: and all those things. And those are the kind of 812 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: the head games that you have to play with Joe 813 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: Burrow to keep him off balanced, and Marcus Williams is 814 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: a key part of that. Joe Burrow this week said 815 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: that quote, I'm gonna have to play darn near perfect. 816 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: That's how I'm preparing. So it's an exciting opportunity. So 817 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: he knows this Ravens defense and secondary is gonna make 818 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: it really challenging on him, and he's he's basically especially 819 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: if the Ravens do take the approach of you're gonna 820 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: have to march down the field, You're gonna have to 821 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: complete a lot of balls on us, then Joe that's 822 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: making Joe Burrow be basically perfect out there. 823 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. The other part of it, too, is that the 824 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 2: Ravens offense is able to run the ball, like we 825 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 2: were talking, then then you just shorten the game and 826 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 2: it's gonna limit those opportunities. The Bengals defense ranks twenty 827 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: fifth in the league at stopping the run. They're averaging 828 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: two hundred and forty five yards a game that they're 829 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: given up. The Ravens offense, of course, is leading the league, 830 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 2: averaging two hundred and twenty yards a game on offense. 831 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 2: So if the Ravens can run the ball with success, 832 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 2: which if you're just looking at the numbers, they should 833 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 2: be able to do, you got the best rushing offense 834 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 2: going up against one of the worst rushing defenses. You 835 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: should be able to run the ball there. I don't 836 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: know if it's as successful as the last two weeks, 837 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: but you should be able to have success running the 838 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 2: ball there. That shortens the game for the Bengals offense 839 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 2: and limits the opportunities for Borrow, especially if the approaches 840 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: make them march down the field, dink and dunk, take 841 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 2: the short stuff, long drives. That's gonna limit those opportunities. 842 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, if you miss a tackle, 843 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: if there's a bus to coverage, that changes things. And 844 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: that's where the angles. What scares me about their offense 845 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: is that those two weapons on the outside are so 846 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: dangerous that if you if you have a mistake again mistackle, 847 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: blown coverage, Jamar Chase T Higgins can take it to 848 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: the house and change the game in an instant. 849 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, completely. You have to be on your game offensively. 850 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: I do think that the Ravens. One interesting matchup here 851 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: is the Hill Brothers. Uh. You know, you have Dax 852 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: Hill as a starting quarterback for the Bengals and then 853 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: Justice Hill. Now, obviously it's not a one on one 854 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: matchup running back versus cornerback, but can the Ravens, you know, 855 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: can they is this the game they pivot a little bit? 856 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: Is this is this is a Flowers game going up 857 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: against Justice Hill's brother out there? Dax has had, you know, 858 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: some struggles a little bit early in his career as 859 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Can they attack him in this 860 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: Genostone von Bell at safety? Can they go after them 861 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: a little bit in the air that way? I think 862 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: that remains to be seen. You had to too. 863 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: Based on what Justice told us. If that is the case, 864 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 2: then you know Justice is gonna be doing a lot 865 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 2: of trash talk. 866 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: Actually, oh, I am sure that. I am sure of 867 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: that he's gonna be doing. He's gonna be talking his talk. 868 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 2: Out there before the game, during the game, after the game. 869 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: I didn't realize, just as a sign, I didn't realize 870 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 2: Justice was that big of a trash talker until we 871 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 2: sat down with him. 872 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 1: I did not either. Yeah, he's pretty confident, dude, Yeah, 873 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: he's very I also didn't know that there's a YouTube 874 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: video out there Justice racing Dax. This is when Dax 875 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: was a senior in high school. Justice was in college 876 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: and everybody always asks him who's faster? Both very fast 877 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: dudes and fans can go look it up. It's on YouTube. 878 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: They had the race neck and neck. Our guy got 879 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: him nice, our nice. So just a precursor, okay, good good. 880 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 2: I love the precursor. 881 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: So we will have our reaction to the game immediately 882 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: after the game to make sure you come back for 883 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: that and get ready to watch the not too big 884 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: but just big enough win against Bengals.