1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hi. This is new due to the virus. I'm recording 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: from home, so you may notice a difference in audio 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: quality on this episode of The News World. Protesters in Seattle, 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Washington continue to occupy a six o'clock area of the 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: city they've renamed Capitol Hill. Occupied protests once called quote 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: the Summer of Love by Seattle Mayor Jennie Durkin. Over 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: the last weekend, chop had four shooting incidents, including one 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: murder of a nineteen year old man. After police were 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: blocked by protesters from getting to the shooting victims. Seattle 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Mayor Jennie Durkin announced Monday the police officers would take 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: back East Precinct Capitol Hill, which was abandoned earlier this 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: month and boarded up. What has happened in Seattle is 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: a microcosm example of what can happen when chaos and 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: anarchy rule the streets. The idea of chopp one ideological 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: in practice has proven though, when the police are not 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: allowed to keep in order, mob rule can very quickly 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: overtaken area. I'm pleased to welcome my guest, John Carlson. 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: He is the conservative voice in Seattle. He hosts Talk 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Radio five seventy KVII weekday mornings and as a political 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: analyst and strategist. John Carlson is synonymous with Washington state 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: politics simply, but he is the conservative voice in Seattle. 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: John has been a friend for many years. He is 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: remarkably insightful, and of course he's been right in the 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: middle of the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone fiasco. I thought 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: it'd be great to get John's close up view of 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: exactly those John tell us what you're seeing. What we're 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: seeing is the fourth shooting in three days in what 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: is now called the Chop Zone. That's its fourth name, 29 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: by the way. And what is happening here, it's almost surreal, 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: is that the police are not able to go in 31 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: to this small area surrounding the East Precinct, which is 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: boarded up and closed, to investigate crime scenes because the 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: so called residence of the Chop Zone block them, and 34 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: the police are not allowed to use force to push 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: their way in. So it is an absolute, almost bizarre, 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: surreal situation. For instance, if you are the victim of 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: a crime in this small area of Capitol Hill, which 38 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: is the very liberal, gentrified, predominantly gay part of Seattle, 39 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: if you are a victim of a crime there. The 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: police chief has asked that you make your way out 41 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: of that area and report your crime then and the 42 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: police will come and talk to you outside the chop zone. 43 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: So if you're the victim of a crime, they won't 44 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: come to where you are, you have to go out 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: to them. It's that bizarre newt. Let's go back though. 46 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: The man's strange to me. The two centers of this 47 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: kind of insanity or Portland in Seattle. Why historically did 48 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: Seattle evolve like this? This happened with the yawning gap 49 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: between the private sector, where there's a great deal of 50 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: innovation and technology, and the public sector, which is all 51 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: about retro left wing politics playing off the resentments of 52 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: people who are successful in high tech and a lot 53 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: of people no longer paying attention. A company just announced 54 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: their leaving Seattle. They said, for one thing, there's no 55 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: downtown business leadership anymore, and the business is correct, that 56 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: has kind of withered away. The person who heads the 57 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Seattle Chamber of Commerce doesn't have a business background. She 58 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: has a political background as a Democrat from another city, 59 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: and she's leaving. When you look at what has happened 60 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: is that Democrats have not said no, have not pushed 61 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: back on left wing extremism, which is why it's gone 62 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: completely out of control at this point. Wasn't there a 63 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: business community slate that had substantial backing and then it 64 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: all blew up at the last minute. It blew up 65 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: at the last minute because Amazon really mishandled it. Amazon 66 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: tried to throw I think a million dollars into getting 67 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: rid of several left wing members of the city council 68 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: that instantly turned it into a mandate. Send Amazon a message, 69 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: and the person they were trying to get rid of, 70 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: Shamas Sawant, who is not just a socialist, but I'm 71 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: talking hardcore right out of Caracas, Venezuela socialist. She gets 72 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: reelected and several of her friends also get elected who 73 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: weren't expected to win just two weeks before. So that's 74 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: how you end up with a radicalized city council. About 75 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: one third of the members of the nine member council 76 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: are anti cop. They don't like cops. And so here's 77 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: the background to how this whole thing started. Because the 78 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: media have kind of missed the point. After the rioting 79 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, we had a problem in downtown Seattle as well. 80 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: And after the police precinct was torched in Minneapolis, radicals 81 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: went looking for a precinct in Seattle to attack. Well, 82 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: the police fortified all the precincts, and so the protesters 83 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: decided on one, the East precinct on Capitol Hill, about 84 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: a mile east of downtown. And so they went to 85 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: eleventh and Pine Street and they faced off against the cops, 86 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: and the cops had the area protected. Well, that should 87 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: have been it, but they showed up the next day, 88 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: and this time they brought rocks and bricks and other weapons, 89 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: and at a predetermined moment they started throwing them at 90 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: the cops, but the police lines held and they did 91 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: this day after day. Now you're a historian, Newt, you 92 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: recognized this isn't a protest, this is a siege. Why 93 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: weren't they arrested? Because the city hall leadership, Mayor Jenny 94 00:06:53,920 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: Durkin did not want them arrested. She suspended all permitting requirements. 95 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: She did not allow anyone to be arrested for protesting 96 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, the death of George Floyd, or anti 97 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: cop activism. She said she wanted maximum free speech. Now 98 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: they could have been diverted into a nearby park, which 99 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: was all of fifty feet away, and have your free 100 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: speech rallies, your demonstrations. You can hate on the cops 101 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: all you want, but you do it in the park. 102 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: You can't line up against the police. But instead, city 103 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: Hall forced the police to take this abuse day after day, 104 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and when the police would finally lash out, not by 105 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: making arrests for felony assault but spraying the crowd with 106 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: pepper spray or using blast balls or other types of 107 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: non lethal devices, they were the ones who were attacked 108 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: for attacking peaceful protesters. So again the cops couldn't win. 109 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: And after eleven days, Jenny Durkin, who was once on 110 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: the shortlist during the Obama administration to be the next 111 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: attorney General, she finally cried uncle and told the police 112 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,559 Speaker 1: chief to close the precinct and they did, and after 113 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: it was boarded up, these protesters rushed in and it's 114 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: kind of like the dog who caught the fire engine. 115 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: They said, well, not only is the precinct closed, but 116 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: it's vacated. There's no cops here. We can do what 117 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: we want. So they tried to figure out what they 118 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: were going to do, and now we see what's going on. 119 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: What is Durkin's background, why is she so far to 120 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: the left. Jenny comes from a Democratic Catholic family. Her 121 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: father was a baron in the Washington State Senate, power broker, 122 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: very respected. His name is Martin Durkin. I think there 123 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: were like eight or nine kids in the family. Jenny 124 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: was always a partisan Democrat, and because she was a 125 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Seattle politician, she leaned to the left to get elected. 126 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: But she doesn't have her father's political skills, and she 127 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: didn't push back on extremism the way, lets say, ed 128 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: Cotch did when he was Mayor of New York. Instead, 129 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: she's been intimidated by them, and so that is why 130 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: she is in the fix that she's in right now. 131 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Her summer of love looks a lot less like woodstock 132 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: than it does Altamont. You wrote on June eleventh in 133 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal an article called Officials Schedattle in Seattle, 134 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: and you compared what happened this year with the nineteen 135 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: ninety nine World Trade Organization protest. One are the differences 136 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: and to what extent have the left evolved in their 137 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: ability to sustain these things? The difference is that when 138 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: the police chief lost control of the streets the police 139 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: chief was good as gone and he lost his job. 140 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: The mayor ran for a re election the following year 141 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: and he lost his job. Currently, the police chief, she's 142 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: just not standing up to the mayor. And that's what 143 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: you needed. Here was a police chief who said, after 144 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: what our officers have been through, I'm not going to 145 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: shut her that precinct and put people's lives in danger. 146 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Response times for nine one one calls are two to 147 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: three times longer than they formerly were in that area 148 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: of the city. I'm not going to do that. Instead, 149 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: she did what the mayor told her too, and now 150 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: the problems are far worse. So they're going to have 151 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: to try and figure out a way to retake the 152 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: precinct in the wto Frankly, Seattle was a liberal city 153 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: leaning left. Now it's left wing. Seattle is now a 154 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: left wing city. Has the media done the same thing? 155 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: Are they further to the left than they were? Actually? No, 156 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: the local media coverage of the chop zone has been 157 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: pretty good. There has been a lot of pushbacks, starting 158 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: with how Seattle both enabled and encouraged the growth of 159 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: homeless culture. Leif had the same problems they had down 160 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and a lot of people are pushing 161 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: back because the political narrative that these people are living 162 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: in tents because they can't afford a place to live is, 163 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: on its face nonsense. What has happened is that drug 164 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: use is all but decriminalized. And I'm not talking marijuana, 165 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: new I'm talking you can have up to six grams 166 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: of heroin and they will not charge you. In King County, 167 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: you can have up to six grams of meth and 168 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: they won't charge you. So, of course that means it's 169 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: de facto illegal. So do you have a substantial drug population? Now? 170 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: We do? Now, I mean basically that's recruiting people to 171 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: move to your city. And because they don't prosecute people 172 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: for those offenses, they won't prosecute you. I'm not making 173 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: this up. I promise newt they will not prosecute you. 174 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: In the city of Seattle. If you shoplift less than 175 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars, they won't even arrest you. If so, 176 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: if you have a bag of stuff and it adds 177 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: up to less than twenty five dollars, they just tell 178 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: you to go on your way. And frankly, a lot 179 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: of cops say it's way higher than twenty five dollars. 180 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: That is the tolerance policy on illegal and a barrant 181 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: behavior here by people who are chronically lawless, drug addicts, 182 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: drug pushers, etc. Do you think the mayor really did 183 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: mean that it could be a summer of love? Yes, 184 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: because she was hoping, against hope what she thought could happen. 185 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: And again that's because she was simply looking at what 186 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: she had now that she lost control of the city. 187 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: She was trying to conjure up the best possible outcome. 188 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: The best possible outcome wasn't remotely connected to reality. Some 189 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: people have said to us that for a while there 190 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: it looked much better during the daytime, but still is. Yeah, 191 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: you go during the day and you'll see people who 192 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: are just hanging out having a good time, especially when 193 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: the weather's good. You'll see a couple of small teachings 194 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: going on. But then you'll see other areas that are 195 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: almost no go zones. Because I was talking about homeless 196 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: drug addicts who were pitching their tents in downtown Seattle. 197 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: Now they've moved them to the park, and so you've 198 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: got nearly a hundred of these tents set up, and 199 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: these people say hey, don't be walking through here. You say, well, 200 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: it's a park, I don't care, I'm living here. Now 201 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: you get a lot of that. There's also an area 202 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: that is barricaded by white volunteers. You can't go into 203 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: the area of the park unless you're African American. It's 204 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: a black's only zone. So in the name of progress 205 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: and civil rights, they are enforcing segregation. There's a great 206 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: deal of that going on right now, where all of 207 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: a sudden, equality means black only. Yeah, equality means that 208 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: you emphasize and obsess on racial differences and on race, 209 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: rather than minimize the issue of race as Black lives 210 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: mattered in any role in Seattle. There's a split in 211 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. There are the activists who think that 212 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: the shop zone is completely overshadowing Black Lives Matter. Our 213 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: message is completely lost here, and it's not lost on 214 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: them that they are literally losing Black lives now in 215 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: the shop zone. Then there are others who are thinking, well, 216 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: this is our hour, we control this place, especially after dark, 217 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: and so there's a little bit of tension there. There's 218 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: a great deal of tension now between people who are 219 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: already living in apartments, condos and homes in the chop 220 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: zone before all of this started, Newt and they are 221 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: being pushed around, they're told where they can go and 222 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: not go. They're being harassed and intimidated. A Democratic friend 223 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: of mine said that her niece has lived there for 224 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: ten years and the landlord had had to hire private security, 225 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: and even that wasn't enough. And he is now telling 226 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: everyone in their apartment to leave. He's saying, leave the apartment. 227 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: We've got a board up the building. It's no longer 228 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: safe for you here. So first the police had to leave, 229 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: and then with no police protection, now apartments are starting 230 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: to close and residents are being told to leave. I 231 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: guess they don't have any recourse. They can't sue the 232 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: city or anything. No, and if someone breaks into their 233 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: home and steals their stuff, they can't call nine one 234 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: one because the cops can't go into that part of 235 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: the city. Was that just a temporary flare up or 236 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: do you think it's a function of the ecosystem that 237 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: they're creating. No, it's a deteriorating situation. New It's not 238 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: going to get better anytime soon because there's no one 239 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: there to restore order. It will only get better when 240 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: the police reclaim the chop Zone. And my advice for 241 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Jenny Durkin is, I said, look, just pretend the people 242 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: who took over the chop Zone are all Trump supporters. 243 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Just pretend they're all wearing red Make America Great Again hats. 244 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: You would clear that area out in minutes. It would 245 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: not take you long. You tell the police chief, draw 246 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: up a plan, overwhelming force. We're retaking this part of Seattle, 247 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: We're reopening the police precinct. Drive those people out of there. 248 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: So again, if they were all Trump supporters, she would 249 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: do that on a dime, But because they're all on 250 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: the political left, she just sits there and wonders what 251 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: to do next. I saw an interview today where she 252 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: was saying that she hopes to get them to voluntarily 253 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: move up. Why should they? They were going to go 254 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: talk to them and ask them, wouldn't they please move out? Now, 255 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: we've seen the same thing from time to time from 256 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: college presidents. The students will take over a building and 257 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: they fret and wring their hands and just aren't sure 258 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: what to do. I don't know if you remember this new, 259 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: but there's kind of a free form state college called 260 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: the Evergreen State college out here, and two years ago 261 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: they had the same problem. Left wing extremists took over 262 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: the campus. They literally hounded and forced a Bernie Sanders 263 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: supporting Jewish professor off the campus. They drove him off 264 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: the campus, They broke into meetings and told the college 265 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: president where he could go and where he couldn't go. 266 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: The college was literally melting down, and the governor said nothing. 267 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: Local alumni said nothing. The faculty didn't know what to do, 268 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: all because these people were on the left. And that's 269 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: the real lesson here. How did that end up Evergreen? 270 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: In a state where every campus is filled a capacity, 271 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: Evergreen has lost more than twenty percent of its student 272 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: body a third in the last decade. So they are 273 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: way down. They've lost faculty, they've lost money, They've had 274 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: to postpone campus construction projects, they've lost what little stature 275 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: they had. Basically the campus has crumpled and they're trying 276 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: to figure out what to do next. What they need 277 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: to do next is get a new college president, because 278 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: the guy they had is just a parody of political correctness. 279 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: But it's very interesting, just as Jay Insley ducked that 280 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: he's duck in this one and at first, even though 281 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: it had been widely reported about the chop zone two 282 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: weeks ago, he said, I hadn't heard about that. Of 283 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: course he had heard about it. And then just over 284 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: the weekend he said, well, people need to come together 285 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: and solve this. No leadership whatsoever. Does the Seattle Police 286 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: Force have enough people to clear those The National Guard 287 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: has already been deployed. Yes, all they need is the 288 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: authority to enforce the law. That really is the problem. 289 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: Everything that's gone wrong in Seattle in the last few 290 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: years is all about not enforcing laws that are on 291 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: the books. The police department could reclaim that area in 292 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: a day, but they're not going to be able to 293 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: do it unless they have the green light to enforce 294 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: the law. To simple decision, But she just is worried 295 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: about how that could come out for her politically. How 296 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: many hundred people are involved, Well, in terms of those 297 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: who would aggressively fight the police if they knew that 298 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: they would be arrested, if they knew they would face consequences, 299 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about maybe a couple hundred people and a 300 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: hardcore of antique and Black Lives Matter militants of maybe 301 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: several dozen. That's all that is controlling this small sector 302 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: five blocks worth of Seattle. And the thing is, the 303 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: situation is so bad now that if they cleared it out, 304 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: the mayor would probably come out of this looking good. 305 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: But again, she's just afraid to give the green light. 306 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: What role did Antifa play in this whole thing? Antifa 307 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: were the ones who were leading the siege. It was 308 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: Antifa that would have a daily protest at eleventh and Pine. 309 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: The first twenty feet or so were people wearing helmets, goggles, 310 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: backpacks stuffed with weaponry, carrying umbrellas when the police would 311 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: break out the tear gas, and the people in back 312 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: of them, we're mostly young, peaceful Black Lives Matter and 313 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: other protesters who are supporting civil rights, who are supporting 314 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: George Floyd, who were critical of the police. But they 315 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: weren't there to attack them, and they weren't there to 316 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: vandalize the police precinct. So that's how the left always works. 317 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, the hardcore are upfront and the peaceful protesters 318 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: are in the back. So granted that Seattle itself is 319 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: very left wing, what's the reaction of your audience across 320 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: the state of Washington. It's interesting because you heard Donald 321 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: Trump address this at his rally. He said, we could 322 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: go in there and just reclaim the area, but maybe 323 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: we should just let it simmer and let people see 324 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: this is what happens when you have liberal Democrats catering 325 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: to left wing interests. This is what you'll end up with. 326 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people in Washington and 327 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: are feeling that way. Other people are saying, you know what, 328 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: this is getting dangerous. People are dying. It's time to 329 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: move in and reclaim the area. And it's no longer 330 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: merely dangerous, it's now getting deadly. Do you think the 331 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: experience of all those will move the non Seattle part 332 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: of the States anymore towards conservatism or is it just 333 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: a passing moment. I think there will be a backlash, 334 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: and I think that there's going to be a growing 335 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: backlash around the country to this kind of disorder and 336 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: this kind of hatred being vented, because that's really what's 337 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: going on here, is this is turned into a hate 338 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: movement against America in general and police officers in particular, 339 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: and I think there's widespread revulsion about that. People are 340 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: getting tired of this. People are by large on the 341 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: side of the Seattle police. They're taking abuse they shouldn't 342 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: have to take. And here's how it's going to end, 343 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: newt You're going to see businesses move out of Seattle. 344 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: You're going to see people move out of Seattle. You're 345 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: going to see the police pull back and not engage 346 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: in proactive policing just answer nine one one calls. And 347 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: as a result, you are going to see crime and 348 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: violence spike in Seattle and everywhere else, and it's going 349 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: to mean more black lives will be lost to crime 350 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: and violence. I think that's almost certainly the pattern. If 351 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: you look at the violence over the weekend, who's pretty 352 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: astonishing in New York, Chicago, and Minneapolis. Over a hundred 353 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: people shot over Father's Day weekend. In Chicago, twenty four died. 354 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder why Black Lives Matter doesn't care 355 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: about black lives are being shot by criminals, because it's 356 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: not about race. For them, it's about anti cop ideology. 357 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: It's ideology it's driving this, and the ideology doesn't care 358 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: about lives. For Evan's sakes, one of the dead in 359 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: Chicago's a three year old toddler, you would think that 360 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: that would galvanize a community, that would bring out the 361 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: press conferences and the civil rights leaders and the mayor 362 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: and the city council. You would think that that is 363 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: what would get people enraged, but no, John is always 364 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: you are remarkable. You've been a great force in Washington, 365 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled that you would take this time to 366 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: talk with us. Now. Thank you very much for the invitation. 367 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: It's always great talking to you. 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