1 00:00:15,076 --> 00:00:25,996 Speaker 1: Pushkin, this is solvable. I'm Ronald Young Junior. Last month 2 00:00:26,036 --> 00:00:28,596 Speaker 1: I spoke with doctor Adrian King, a citizen of the 3 00:00:28,676 --> 00:00:32,276 Speaker 1: Cherokee Nation and notable Native scholar and author. We talked 4 00:00:32,276 --> 00:00:35,876 Speaker 1: about Native erasure. We covered everything from visibility to lance, 5 00:00:35,916 --> 00:00:38,916 Speaker 1: sovereignty to appropriation. But there was one part of our 6 00:00:38,956 --> 00:00:41,396 Speaker 1: conversation that didn't make it into the episode that I 7 00:00:41,476 --> 00:00:44,996 Speaker 1: kept returning to when putting together this week's show. If 8 00:00:44,996 --> 00:00:48,836 Speaker 1: we're thinking about the future and like the climate catastrophe 9 00:00:48,836 --> 00:00:51,596 Speaker 1: that is coming and everything that is just feels like 10 00:00:51,636 --> 00:00:55,956 Speaker 1: it's about to come tumbling down around us, Indigenous knowledges 11 00:00:56,036 --> 00:00:59,516 Speaker 1: to me really offer us a pathway forward. We talk 12 00:00:59,556 --> 00:01:01,996 Speaker 1: about climate change a lot on this show, but not 13 00:01:02,076 --> 00:01:06,156 Speaker 1: often enough with members of indigenous communities. In fact, Indigenous 14 00:01:06,236 --> 00:01:10,316 Speaker 1: voices and native perspectives are noticeably under represented and climate 15 00:01:10,356 --> 00:01:14,356 Speaker 1: conversations overall on a global scale. But the indie In 16 00:01:14,636 --> 00:01:19,196 Speaker 1: Collective and Indigenous Led organization based in South Dakota believes 17 00:01:19,236 --> 00:01:23,356 Speaker 1: that effective climate policy can only be achieved by considering 18 00:01:23,436 --> 00:01:29,916 Speaker 1: all communities, perspectives, and solutions. Indigenous peoples across the world 19 00:01:30,276 --> 00:01:37,636 Speaker 1: are the world's first climate scientists. We were understanding ecosystems 20 00:01:37,676 --> 00:01:43,636 Speaker 1: and how they worked, long before Columbus set foot in 21 00:01:43,716 --> 00:01:48,196 Speaker 1: the America's long before there was such a thing as 22 00:01:48,196 --> 00:01:52,876 Speaker 1: a climate scientist. Jade Bigey is the director of the 23 00:01:52,916 --> 00:01:57,996 Speaker 1: Indian Collectives Climate Justice Campaign and is Navajo and Tasuki 24 00:01:58,116 --> 00:02:01,876 Speaker 1: Pueblo of New Mexico. Much of her work centers around 25 00:02:01,916 --> 00:02:06,156 Speaker 1: including Indigenous voices and climate discussions and finding opportunities to 26 00:02:06,236 --> 00:02:09,876 Speaker 1: employ indigenous solutions and the fight for our future. I 27 00:02:09,876 --> 00:02:14,036 Speaker 1: want to see climate policy informed by our people, for 28 00:02:14,196 --> 00:02:17,636 Speaker 1: our people. We spoke with Jade as she was attending 29 00:02:17,676 --> 00:02:20,916 Speaker 1: the United Nations Conference of the Parties or the cop 30 00:02:21,316 --> 00:02:24,676 Speaker 1: where thousands of people were gathering to discuss climate solutions. 31 00:02:25,636 --> 00:02:29,996 Speaker 1: Native and Indigenous practices can be injected into the climate 32 00:02:29,996 --> 00:02:41,956 Speaker 1: fight to solve previously unsolvable problems. Jade, would you consider 33 00:02:41,956 --> 00:02:44,996 Speaker 1: yourself to be a nature lover? I do consider myself 34 00:02:44,996 --> 00:02:49,716 Speaker 1: a nature lover. Check my Airbnb profile. I am like 35 00:02:50,556 --> 00:02:54,436 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'd rather be in the rural forests and 36 00:02:54,996 --> 00:02:59,756 Speaker 1: the places with no Wi Fi. And yeah, definitely. I'm 37 00:02:59,796 --> 00:03:06,276 Speaker 1: a horse writer at heart. I'm a backcountry hiker and skier. 38 00:03:06,716 --> 00:03:09,556 Speaker 1: That's what I do during my off time to find 39 00:03:09,676 --> 00:03:13,756 Speaker 1: joy I grew up playing in the snow and in 40 00:03:13,796 --> 00:03:17,596 Speaker 1: the mountains with all the aspens. That's where I feel 41 00:03:17,596 --> 00:03:23,196 Speaker 1: almost myself. And I think we become more centered, more grounded, 42 00:03:23,356 --> 00:03:27,516 Speaker 1: and really can connect with who we truly are when 43 00:03:27,516 --> 00:03:31,476 Speaker 1: we're in these spaces. So I'm seeing you light up 44 00:03:31,516 --> 00:03:34,876 Speaker 1: when you're talking about nature and you mentioned being in 45 00:03:34,956 --> 00:03:38,836 Speaker 1: it makes you feel more like who you truly are. 46 00:03:39,556 --> 00:03:43,436 Speaker 1: Tell me more about your identity and how that impacts 47 00:03:43,516 --> 00:03:46,476 Speaker 1: and inspires the work that you do. Yeah, I believe 48 00:03:47,036 --> 00:03:54,756 Speaker 1: my tribal identity and my cultural identity is ninety nine 49 00:03:54,796 --> 00:03:59,396 Speaker 1: point nine percent of why I do what I do. Definitely, 50 00:03:59,636 --> 00:04:05,036 Speaker 1: growing up traditionally so connected to my language and ceremony 51 00:04:05,396 --> 00:04:10,476 Speaker 1: has also been a really huge factor. And a lot 52 00:04:10,556 --> 00:04:14,836 Speaker 1: of people I've worked with from indigenous communities, whether that's 53 00:04:15,356 --> 00:04:21,156 Speaker 1: indigenous peoples in the Amazon or indigenous peoples in the Arctic, 54 00:04:21,876 --> 00:04:26,876 Speaker 1: if they lose their territories, if they have a river 55 00:04:27,276 --> 00:04:32,276 Speaker 1: that is poisoned by oil or by any other type 56 00:04:32,276 --> 00:04:36,556 Speaker 1: of pollution, that is a part of their identity. You 57 00:04:36,636 --> 00:04:42,316 Speaker 1: can't have the health of community and the health of 58 00:04:42,796 --> 00:04:46,956 Speaker 1: nature be separate. And something I would love to see 59 00:04:46,956 --> 00:04:53,636 Speaker 1: in climate policy that would honor indigenous rights and indigenous cosmology. 60 00:04:53,996 --> 00:04:58,276 Speaker 1: Is the rights of nature something that we're seeing playing 61 00:04:58,316 --> 00:05:03,476 Speaker 1: out in places like New Zealand where rivers have rights 62 00:05:03,516 --> 00:05:06,756 Speaker 1: just like humans have rights. Jade, you gave us an 63 00:05:06,756 --> 00:05:10,596 Speaker 1: example from New Zealand. What do you think US climate 64 00:05:10,636 --> 00:05:15,316 Speaker 1: policy might look like when it better reflects and incorporates 65 00:05:15,556 --> 00:05:18,996 Speaker 1: native values? Where should it start? I think it'd be 66 00:05:19,036 --> 00:05:28,596 Speaker 1: great to see climate policy reflect our demands for land back. Generally, 67 00:05:28,676 --> 00:05:32,676 Speaker 1: when we're talking about land back as organizing groups, as 68 00:05:32,876 --> 00:05:39,076 Speaker 1: grassroots organizations, as frontline communities, we're not talking about making 69 00:05:39,196 --> 00:05:43,836 Speaker 1: people go back to wherever they came from, but it's 70 00:05:43,876 --> 00:05:49,516 Speaker 1: really about having sovereignty and having self determination over lands 71 00:05:49,596 --> 00:05:55,756 Speaker 1: that were stolen from us, and reconnecting and revitalizing culture 72 00:05:55,956 --> 00:06:00,036 Speaker 1: and land practices so that we can bring the environment 73 00:06:00,076 --> 00:06:05,156 Speaker 1: the climate back into a balance. The ability to have 74 00:06:05,316 --> 00:06:10,236 Speaker 1: self determination it covers being able to practice our cosmologies 75 00:06:10,676 --> 00:06:14,596 Speaker 1: and to practice our ways of life and have the 76 00:06:14,716 --> 00:06:16,836 Speaker 1: right to be able to do so in the future. 77 00:06:17,476 --> 00:06:19,716 Speaker 1: Talking about, you know, sovereignty of native lands, and you're 78 00:06:19,756 --> 00:06:22,876 Speaker 1: talking about the landback movement. Last month we talked with 79 00:06:22,996 --> 00:06:26,996 Speaker 1: doctor Adrian Keane and she mentioned that there's indigenous knowledge 80 00:06:27,076 --> 00:06:30,756 Speaker 1: that could provide a pathway forward, especially when it comes 81 00:06:30,796 --> 00:06:34,836 Speaker 1: to the impending climate catastrophe. Can you talk through what 82 00:06:35,036 --> 00:06:41,116 Speaker 1: some of that knowledge is. Yeah, So, indigenous peoples across 83 00:06:41,156 --> 00:06:47,516 Speaker 1: the world are the world's first climate scientists. We were 84 00:06:47,636 --> 00:06:55,476 Speaker 1: understanding ecosystems and how they worked long before Columbus set foot, 85 00:06:55,476 --> 00:06:59,916 Speaker 1: you know in the America's or long before you know, 86 00:06:59,956 --> 00:07:04,116 Speaker 1: there was such a thing as a climate scientist. And 87 00:07:04,196 --> 00:07:08,476 Speaker 1: so we have this intrinsic and this is you know, 88 00:07:08,676 --> 00:07:13,396 Speaker 1: yes for people like from my community, but also indigenous 89 00:07:13,396 --> 00:07:16,916 Speaker 1: peoples all over the world. We have this really old 90 00:07:16,996 --> 00:07:23,396 Speaker 1: knowledge about how to keep ecosystems in balance, like whether 91 00:07:23,436 --> 00:07:30,356 Speaker 1: that's knowing how to have safe birds of woods or 92 00:07:30,396 --> 00:07:34,596 Speaker 1: forests to ensure that there's a reduced risk of wildfire, 93 00:07:35,116 --> 00:07:41,276 Speaker 1: whether that's knowing how to create safety barriers on coasts 94 00:07:41,316 --> 00:07:45,636 Speaker 1: to protect people from erosion and floods. There's all kinds 95 00:07:45,636 --> 00:07:48,996 Speaker 1: of knowledge that exists out there, and those are real 96 00:07:49,116 --> 00:07:52,676 Speaker 1: climate solutions and they need to be invested in, but 97 00:07:52,716 --> 00:07:56,876 Speaker 1: they also need to be acknowledged in places like here 98 00:07:56,916 --> 00:07:59,876 Speaker 1: at the cop where thousands of people are about to 99 00:08:00,636 --> 00:08:05,236 Speaker 1: get here and discuss, you know, climate solutions Indigenous knowledge 100 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:08,756 Speaker 1: really needs to be upheld in these types of spaces, 101 00:08:08,836 --> 00:08:12,996 Speaker 1: and also at the level of local and city climate 102 00:08:13,036 --> 00:08:18,876 Speaker 1: management and building. When cities and towns build climate plans 103 00:08:19,036 --> 00:08:23,316 Speaker 1: or adaptation plans, they need to consider local indigenous knowledge 104 00:08:23,596 --> 00:08:28,116 Speaker 1: and really make relationships with those people to inform those plans. 105 00:08:28,956 --> 00:08:32,556 Speaker 1: Do you have any examples of where indigenous solutions are 106 00:08:32,636 --> 00:08:36,596 Speaker 1: in place to help fight climate change currently? Yeah, there's 107 00:08:36,636 --> 00:08:40,836 Speaker 1: so many indigenous led solutions. One I'll speak about is 108 00:08:41,316 --> 00:08:45,756 Speaker 1: a local regenerative economy based on the farming of kelp 109 00:08:46,436 --> 00:08:51,116 Speaker 1: and the fishing practices in southeast Alaska and the Kelp 110 00:08:51,276 --> 00:08:56,876 Speaker 1: is is a many fold two, three, fourfold solution where 111 00:08:56,876 --> 00:09:02,356 Speaker 1: it cleans the water, it removes carbon dioxide, it becomes 112 00:09:02,356 --> 00:09:05,556 Speaker 1: a fuel, it can become a food source. They're building 113 00:09:05,756 --> 00:09:09,836 Speaker 1: an economy out of that, so creating a local product 114 00:09:09,916 --> 00:09:13,236 Speaker 1: that they can sell with the community and provide food 115 00:09:13,236 --> 00:09:16,396 Speaker 1: to the community. And then with the fishing, they're doing 116 00:09:16,436 --> 00:09:20,436 Speaker 1: something that they've always done and turning that into a 117 00:09:20,556 --> 00:09:25,516 Speaker 1: program where they feed their elders and providing jobs and 118 00:09:25,556 --> 00:09:29,876 Speaker 1: so it's this whole circular model, but it's addressing all 119 00:09:29,916 --> 00:09:33,796 Speaker 1: the things food and equity, job and security, climate change. 120 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:39,236 Speaker 1: So that is being led by native conservancy and building 121 00:09:39,756 --> 00:09:43,796 Speaker 1: land trusts and reclaiming land. And so those are the 122 00:09:43,836 --> 00:09:47,356 Speaker 1: types of models that we want to empower and invest 123 00:09:47,436 --> 00:09:51,396 Speaker 1: in and support. And I'll shout out my team at 124 00:09:51,636 --> 00:09:57,796 Speaker 1: Expedition Studios where my dear friend and colleague and I 125 00:09:57,876 --> 00:10:03,676 Speaker 1: are working on a film called Salec Yellow, which translate 126 00:10:03,716 --> 00:10:08,236 Speaker 1: to Sultan Sky. And this film is about lithium mining 127 00:10:08,356 --> 00:10:13,236 Speaker 1: in ChIL And so this is another climate story about 128 00:10:13,356 --> 00:10:17,716 Speaker 1: how as we're building the renewable economy here in the 129 00:10:17,756 --> 00:10:21,436 Speaker 1: global North and all over the world, all of those 130 00:10:21,676 --> 00:10:26,196 Speaker 1: solar panels, all of those wind turbines, electric cars, etc. Etc. 131 00:10:26,876 --> 00:10:30,436 Speaker 1: They need lithium, They need minerals for the batteries. But 132 00:10:30,476 --> 00:10:34,716 Speaker 1: where where does that come from? Indigenous lands? So again 133 00:10:34,876 --> 00:10:38,756 Speaker 1: we're creating this other, you know, this other dynamic of 134 00:10:38,916 --> 00:10:43,156 Speaker 1: consuming and taking too much than what a community or 135 00:10:43,196 --> 00:10:45,756 Speaker 1: the earth can handle. And how do we deal with that. 136 00:10:46,676 --> 00:10:50,196 Speaker 1: Part of the problem of pushing for policy change is 137 00:10:50,236 --> 00:10:54,316 Speaker 1: that there's a tendency to try to solve many nuanced 138 00:10:54,356 --> 00:10:59,236 Speaker 1: issues with one federal bill. Is there a strategy for 139 00:10:59,316 --> 00:11:02,716 Speaker 1: addressing the ways in which different communities are affected by 140 00:11:02,756 --> 00:11:06,356 Speaker 1: climate change with a more tailored approach. Yeah, so I 141 00:11:06,396 --> 00:11:09,716 Speaker 1: think a lot of climate and environmental justice dis groups 142 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:14,436 Speaker 1: are already saying one says does not fit all. With 143 00:11:14,476 --> 00:11:17,356 Speaker 1: my role in the wee Jack, the White House Environmental 144 00:11:17,396 --> 00:11:23,156 Speaker 1: Justice Advisory Council, I'm actually fairly impressed by the diversity 145 00:11:23,716 --> 00:11:27,876 Speaker 1: of people on that Advisory Council to do. To do 146 00:11:27,956 --> 00:11:32,756 Speaker 1: just this, we have to pressure within the EPA, within 147 00:11:33,556 --> 00:11:36,876 Speaker 1: you know, the White House Climate Team, the Army Corps 148 00:11:36,876 --> 00:11:41,596 Speaker 1: of Engineers, etc. Make who make these decisions that impact 149 00:11:41,596 --> 00:11:46,116 Speaker 1: our community. We have to create indicators for them to 150 00:11:46,396 --> 00:11:50,596 Speaker 1: get the capacity to understand the nuances of all these 151 00:11:50,636 --> 00:11:54,996 Speaker 1: different communities. And it's not just with you know, solutions building, 152 00:11:55,396 --> 00:11:59,156 Speaker 1: it's also about investment. And my team at end In 153 00:11:59,236 --> 00:12:01,916 Speaker 1: Collective we wrote a memo on this this past summer. 154 00:12:02,676 --> 00:12:07,116 Speaker 1: We knew that the infrastructure package was coming down the line, 155 00:12:07,516 --> 00:12:12,636 Speaker 1: and one big capacity gap in small communities or rural 156 00:12:12,676 --> 00:12:19,396 Speaker 1: communities and tribes for example, is capacity to distribute funding equitably. 157 00:12:19,916 --> 00:12:24,356 Speaker 1: And so something that we're doing now is advising these groups, 158 00:12:25,356 --> 00:12:30,596 Speaker 1: these agencies to also invest in capacity so that when 159 00:12:30,756 --> 00:12:35,356 Speaker 1: these communities receive all this funding, it can flow and 160 00:12:36,196 --> 00:12:40,276 Speaker 1: not just flow in one zone, but flow across the 161 00:12:40,316 --> 00:12:54,516 Speaker 1: community in an equitable way. So I'm pretty passionate about race, 162 00:12:54,556 --> 00:12:58,076 Speaker 1: and I think that's come through on the show were 163 00:12:58,116 --> 00:13:00,476 Speaker 1: the one episode. But I think one thing that I 164 00:13:00,516 --> 00:13:04,596 Speaker 1: don't think about is often is issues of environmental justice. 165 00:13:05,236 --> 00:13:09,196 Speaker 1: How does the fight for racial equity intersect with with 166 00:13:09,476 --> 00:13:14,236 Speaker 1: your work to craft climate policy. Racial equity is climate justice, 167 00:13:14,596 --> 00:13:20,756 Speaker 1: and climate justice is racial equities. So climate policy could 168 00:13:20,796 --> 00:13:27,916 Speaker 1: include practical ideas of decolonization, taking into account things like truth, reconciliation, 169 00:13:27,956 --> 00:13:33,196 Speaker 1: and reparations. You know, those types of practices on the 170 00:13:33,236 --> 00:13:36,276 Speaker 1: city council level, at the state level, at the national 171 00:13:36,356 --> 00:13:41,196 Speaker 1: level really do have impacts that you know, are really 172 00:13:41,196 --> 00:13:44,956 Speaker 1: connected to like racial equity. You know, when we are 173 00:13:44,996 --> 00:13:50,236 Speaker 1: able to claim land back or reclaim our lands. In 174 00:13:50,276 --> 00:13:54,156 Speaker 1: some cases, yes, maybe there is like conservation models happening 175 00:13:54,556 --> 00:13:58,636 Speaker 1: where we're protecting land or protecting sacred sites, but in 176 00:13:58,676 --> 00:14:03,516 Speaker 1: other cases developing land so that we can welcome our 177 00:14:03,556 --> 00:14:07,316 Speaker 1: relatives who have had to move because of climate impacts. 178 00:14:07,996 --> 00:14:11,556 Speaker 1: We're really thinking about where we're headed and these are 179 00:14:11,636 --> 00:14:17,716 Speaker 1: the realities, and we're really trying to prepare for all 180 00:14:17,756 --> 00:14:21,676 Speaker 1: of the challenges. You're on the Environmental Justice Advisory council, 181 00:14:21,876 --> 00:14:24,476 Speaker 1: So you're actually in there doing the work. What's it 182 00:14:24,556 --> 00:14:27,996 Speaker 1: like working within that political system knowing that it's a 183 00:14:28,076 --> 00:14:31,276 Speaker 1: system that in the past has been oppressive towards Native 184 00:14:31,276 --> 00:14:34,476 Speaker 1: and Indigenous folks? What does that look like working in 185 00:14:34,476 --> 00:14:36,676 Speaker 1: that system in order to actually create the type of 186 00:14:36,716 --> 00:14:42,316 Speaker 1: change that you need. Working in this system, it's been challenging, 187 00:14:42,396 --> 00:14:49,196 Speaker 1: it's been frustrating, but all with the nuance that we've 188 00:14:49,236 --> 00:14:53,556 Speaker 1: made a lot of progress. Deb Halland is the Secretary 189 00:14:53,636 --> 00:15:00,556 Speaker 1: of Interior and managing department that oversees the BIA, the 190 00:15:00,596 --> 00:15:05,356 Speaker 1: Bureau of Indian Affairs, and never before has an Indigenous 191 00:15:05,396 --> 00:15:09,476 Speaker 1: person held that role. Now we have an Indigenous person 192 00:15:10,316 --> 00:15:15,396 Speaker 1: making decisions about a department that really impacts our people 193 00:15:15,476 --> 00:15:21,316 Speaker 1: and our tribes. So I feel a lot more comfortable 194 00:15:21,436 --> 00:15:25,076 Speaker 1: working within a system that has made that type of progress. 195 00:15:25,636 --> 00:15:30,516 Speaker 1: I'm also seeing grassroots leaders such as myself in these 196 00:15:30,556 --> 00:15:36,676 Speaker 1: types of roles, advising, giving guidance, helping these agencies navigate 197 00:15:37,836 --> 00:15:41,836 Speaker 1: really the changing landscape when we're talking about what equity means, 198 00:15:41,876 --> 00:15:46,156 Speaker 1: when we talk about what justice means, and really from 199 00:15:46,196 --> 00:15:50,996 Speaker 1: a foundational place of wanting to dismantle white supremacy within 200 00:15:51,076 --> 00:15:56,116 Speaker 1: these systems, I also see grassroots leaders holding roles in 201 00:15:56,516 --> 00:16:00,556 Speaker 1: the Department of Indian Energy. For example, my clan sister 202 00:16:00,916 --> 00:16:05,676 Speaker 1: Hala John's as Salt of the Earth organizer from Navajo Nation, 203 00:16:06,236 --> 00:16:10,196 Speaker 1: who has worked so hard for her people to transition 204 00:16:10,356 --> 00:16:16,396 Speaker 1: from coal energy to renewable energy, is now leading that department. 205 00:16:16,956 --> 00:16:19,756 Speaker 1: So I think it's all to say that it's always 206 00:16:19,796 --> 00:16:24,356 Speaker 1: going to be frustrating working within these systems until we've 207 00:16:24,396 --> 00:16:29,196 Speaker 1: really changed them, until we've achieved our big movement goals 208 00:16:29,276 --> 00:16:34,316 Speaker 1: of systems change. But the progress that we've made, especially 209 00:16:34,916 --> 00:16:38,476 Speaker 1: considering the last four years, it's really huge, and I 210 00:16:39,396 --> 00:16:42,076 Speaker 1: urge people all the time that I work with, that 211 00:16:42,196 --> 00:16:46,116 Speaker 1: I speak to, that follow me on social media to 212 00:16:46,156 --> 00:16:49,796 Speaker 1: not take that for granted, knowing that in the next 213 00:16:49,796 --> 00:16:51,476 Speaker 1: four years we could have a different president who has 214 00:16:51,476 --> 00:16:54,916 Speaker 1: a different agenda. How do you plan to keep this 215 00:16:54,956 --> 00:17:01,036 Speaker 1: agenda moving forward despite ever changing political landscape, Ronald, This 216 00:17:01,156 --> 00:17:06,156 Speaker 1: is a fast and nuanced question. We won the twenty 217 00:17:06,236 --> 00:17:10,636 Speaker 1: twenty election by a hair you know, it was so close, 218 00:17:11,276 --> 00:17:16,036 Speaker 1: and so we need to be working in better relationship 219 00:17:16,836 --> 00:17:21,036 Speaker 1: now and through next year in the lead up to 220 00:17:22,116 --> 00:17:27,476 Speaker 1: the next presidential election. If we continue to play this 221 00:17:27,556 --> 00:17:31,956 Speaker 1: kind of you know, woke police against each other and 222 00:17:31,956 --> 00:17:34,796 Speaker 1: shut each other down because we're not, you know, the 223 00:17:34,796 --> 00:17:40,156 Speaker 1: perfect model of equity or justice, then we're really going 224 00:17:40,236 --> 00:17:45,396 Speaker 1: to continue to stay divided and see our progressive movements 225 00:17:45,476 --> 00:17:49,276 Speaker 1: separate and diverge. You know what I'm not seeing is 226 00:17:49,676 --> 00:17:52,396 Speaker 1: the other side separate in the way that we are, 227 00:17:52,516 --> 00:18:02,956 Speaker 1: and that really concerns me. Where can listeners learn more 228 00:18:03,196 --> 00:18:06,516 Speaker 1: about the causes that you're focused on? Are there films, books, 229 00:18:06,676 --> 00:18:10,556 Speaker 1: anything like that? Yeah? Yeah, so our handles are all 230 00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:14,076 Speaker 1: the same on all the platforms. And DAN Collective and 231 00:18:14,116 --> 00:18:19,516 Speaker 1: then my entire undergrad I was watching documentaries and learning 232 00:18:19,556 --> 00:18:24,196 Speaker 1: about people. A lot of these stories were about the environment, 233 00:18:24,676 --> 00:18:29,396 Speaker 1: and one documentary that impacted me the most, I think 234 00:18:29,636 --> 00:18:35,196 Speaker 1: to move into this direction was the documentary Chasing Ice, 235 00:18:35,476 --> 00:18:41,236 Speaker 1: which is about the rate at which glaciers are melting 236 00:18:41,836 --> 00:18:46,196 Speaker 1: and that advocates or climate justice. The film is by 237 00:18:46,276 --> 00:18:51,036 Speaker 1: jeff Orlaski, who I can now call a really dearer 238 00:18:51,036 --> 00:18:56,156 Speaker 1: and close friend and colleague. Jay, thank you so much 239 00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:58,956 Speaker 1: for being with us today. We learned so much. Thank you. 240 00:18:59,116 --> 00:19:02,916 Speaker 1: It's an honor to speak with you. Ja Biggay is 241 00:19:02,956 --> 00:19:07,236 Speaker 1: the Indian Collectives Climate Justice Campaign director She is Navajo 242 00:19:07,316 --> 00:19:10,396 Speaker 1: and Tasuki Pueblo, has a Master of Arts degree in 243 00:19:10,476 --> 00:19:13,716 Speaker 1: environmental leadership and as part of President Biden's White House 244 00:19:13,836 --> 00:19:17,396 Speaker 1: Environmental Justice Advisory Council. You can find a link to 245 00:19:17,436 --> 00:19:21,276 Speaker 1: the Indian Collective and to Jade's film sell E Cielo 246 00:19:21,476 --> 00:19:25,316 Speaker 1: in our show notes. Solvable is produced by Jocelyn Frank, 247 00:19:25,756 --> 00:19:29,476 Speaker 1: researched by David Jah, booking by Lisa Dunn. Our managing 248 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:33,436 Speaker 1: producer is Sasha Matthias, and our executive producer is Mio LaBelle. 249 00:19:33,836 --> 00:19:36,196 Speaker 1: I'm Ronald Young Jr. Thanks for listening.