1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: dot Com on the Giants part of the Giants Podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a special season preview edition 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: of the Giants Hubtle podcast. I am John Schmilk, the 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: first of three of the Giants coordinators will be joining 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: us on today's podcast. First, we'll have Mike Kafka Wink. 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Martin Dale will join us next, and then Thomas mcgahey 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: will wrap us up. As the Giants get ready for 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: their two season. We're recording these on a Thursday. Is 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: this your first ever Thursday day off? Like I do, 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: It gives you an extra time kind of prep kind 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: of you know, review some extra things the staff. It's 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: been it's been nice day, and I'm sure it's been 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: a fun week. Right. You've been working with coach Able 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: to put the offense together. You've been working with Daniel 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: Jones put the offense together. But it's a little bit 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: different when you're game planning for an opponent, right, So 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: let's start with Daniel first. What has it been like 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: working with Daniel as you're getting ready for this opponent 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: and having your back and forth to figure out what 21 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: you want to do. Yeah, it's it's been great. We've 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: had a great communication really all camp. Um so really 23 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: kind of figuring out what he really likes if it 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: matches with the defense we're going against. I think that's important. 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: And then you know, making sure we have enough stuff 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: for all the skill guys we have on our team. 27 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: How much did you guys peak at Tennessee before this week? 28 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: You gonna be honest, it's okay, yeah, oh, you know, 29 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: I think you know, it's always kind of you know, 30 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: you're taking a day by day throughout training camp, but 31 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: you also know that you got this. You know this 32 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: this game plan, it's got to come up. So you 33 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: start peeking at you start chipping away. Maybe you found 34 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: some things in the summer that you liked that you 35 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: wanted to pull and install and gonna look at and 36 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, you always kind of 37 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: have a thought versus those first few opponents. How much 38 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean you have to do I guess, But how 39 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: much mystery does the first game of the season bring 40 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: to this? Now Rabel has been there a while. He 41 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: does what he does, so you could probably use the 42 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: past seasons more than for other matchless But how much 43 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: of an unknown. Is it because it is that first 44 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: game of the year. Yeah, I think any Yeah, that 45 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: the the opener. Regardless, as always, there's always a little 46 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: bit of, um, you know, they're gonna give you a 47 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: different wrinkle that they've shown on tape, they give you 48 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: something new. I'm sure they're probably expecting kind of the 49 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: same thing from us, some kind of wrinkle. So yeah, 50 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: of course there's always that. You just gonna give our 51 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: guys enough answers, give him, you know, a plan and 52 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: a kind of a framework to work within and and 53 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: have enough answers versus all of the stuff they could do. 54 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, Brian Dabu talked about how you know, it's 55 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a collaborative process to play called, and you said that 56 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: the press conference yesterday too, But I thought what was 57 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: interesting to me is that he pointed it out that 58 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: he wants to be collaborative with the play calling more 59 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: during the week than on game day. Right, can you 60 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: explain to fans because there's so little time between plays, 61 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: it's really hard from the say can you run this 62 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: and have a conversation between downs? So how does that 63 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: collaboration work with you and coach Dable and putting the 64 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: game play together during the week, so when you get 65 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: the game day, he's heavily involved, even if he's not 66 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: talking to you game day about it, you know what 67 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, No, there's a lot of communication. I mean, 68 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: we're watching a bunch of film. Really, the whole staff 69 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: is everyone's bouncing ideas off each other. And I have 70 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: a big kind of greasepart in my office that we 71 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: just everyone's writing up players, drawn up ideas, um. And 72 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: then you know, as the as the plan kind of 73 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: comes a long, there's always that constant communication, Hey, I'm 74 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: like in this have you you know, how do you 75 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: want to set this formation? How do you want to 76 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: set this person in this spot? So there's just a 77 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: lot of that um over the last few days, right, 78 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: So that's that's really the process you go through, and 79 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: then comparatively through what you're doing, like in training camp. Um, 80 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think you're kind of putting the base stuff. 81 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: Then now you want to add extra little tweaks to 82 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: it that fits this defense. And then when you get 83 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: the game day, you know, things are happening so fast 84 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: that it's hard to um to really run this play 85 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: or run that point because like the play is already 86 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: typically in or after as soon as that the first 87 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: play is over with, like you got to kind of 88 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: stay a play ahead, so and then a lot of 89 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: the communication for that is probably done in between series. 90 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: Is where I like this thought. I like this thought 91 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: put together kind of a little mini um game plan 92 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: for how we're gonna attack the next series. As someone 93 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: that was on the other end of the coach to 94 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: quarterback communication as a player, did it catch it by 95 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: surprise at how fast it has to go for the 96 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: play caller in between plays. Once you were a guy 97 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: with the heads, it really kind of hit me as 98 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I started coaching. Here's a graduate assistant. I was in 99 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: Northwestern and I was a signaler, So like I was 100 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: on the field signaling to the players, you had like 101 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: a different card. Yeah, exactly. So I'm you know, dancing 102 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: on you know, dance on the sideline doing all these signals. 103 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: But that's when I first really realized it. And then 104 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: when I got into Kansas City and you know, just 105 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: here and just you know how that thing operates, and 106 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: obviously now calling plays, it just ramps up even more. Yeah, 107 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: I imagine that's fun too, rite having to stay ahead, 108 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: and that's why I think the preparation during the week 109 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: is so important, right, so that you know, people make 110 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: fun of the coaches holding the diner menu, right because 111 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: it's just the thing in front of their face, But 112 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: that thing is really broken down by situation, right, and 113 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: that's why it's so big. So all right, well we're 114 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: in third and seven plus. All right, here's my menu, 115 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: and that's a that's a smaller menu, and that's why 116 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of such a big card, right, That's right. Right. 117 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: You try to organize as it best you can to 118 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: where your eyes can find certain plays in certain situations, 119 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: no question about it. I feel like you've been asked 120 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: every question about Daniel Jones possible for the last three 121 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: or four months. And I sat here for like forty minutes, yes, 122 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, can I ask him? That's different? 123 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be very vague with you tell us 124 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: something about day with that maybe we don't know. Well, 125 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: what I do know is there's a big Northwestern do 126 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: game coming up this weekend, which which has been a 127 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: good uh so we've got a gentleman's bed. But it's 128 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: been a big point of contention, you know, this last week. 129 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: But now Daniel has been a great kid, and honestly, 130 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: he's grown within the offense so much. Um that first 131 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: day we just throw so much at him formationally, like 132 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: verbiage wise, protection wise, I mean, he's just grown so much. 133 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm proud of the where he's you know, 134 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: from where he's been to where he's at now. And 135 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think for him as a 136 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: player in US as an offense, I think we're starting 137 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: to peek at the right time. And um, I think 138 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: when when we you know, kind of really define what 139 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna be on offense and and show what we 140 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: can do, you know, on Sundays, it seemed like there 141 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: was a point camp where and again you're obviously know 142 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: what the play calls, and you're evaluating different than we are. 143 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: We're just looking at the results a lot of the times. 144 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: But it did seem like Doring Camp, there was a 145 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: point where you can almost see it start to click. 146 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: The decisions were being made fast and the bull is 147 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: getting out quicker. When did you see in what areas? 148 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: Did you see that tangible progress when you got really 149 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: the pads on and started going during camp in the summer, Yeah, 150 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think every single day it just got 151 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: a little bit better. And maybe the maybe the percentage 152 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: wise wasn't. But you can see his eyes gett into 153 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: something cool, little bit quicker. You can see his feet 154 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: quicken up a little bit quicker. Um. So I think 155 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: those are the little things that as a coach, that 156 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: I look for and that's progress, Whereas maybe not everyone 157 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: would see that, but that's why I asked you, right, 158 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: And so I look at those type of little things 159 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: and okay, okay, we started putting those little things together 160 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. You look back in training camp, 161 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: a week's time is like a month's time in real 162 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean like it's It's just there's so 163 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: much volume within a week of practice in training camp 164 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: that those little things add up so quickly. And so 165 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: I think when you stack those kind of days over 166 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: and over and over again, you know, you kind of 167 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: look back a wow. Look like you look back at like, 168 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, day one or day two, and you're at 169 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: day twelve and you're like, wow, look how much different 170 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: your feet are, how much different your eyes are, And 171 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: those those are just little things that you can see 172 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: improve proven on that. I'm I'm proud of him for 173 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: general offensive philosophical approach. You know, people talk about the 174 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: importance of third downs, and it's very important, but there's 175 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: also an emphasis now and just avoiding third downs. Right, 176 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Why are we don't want to be in the third 177 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: and three? We want to gain twelve yards on second down? Right, 178 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you go about it 179 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: that way, you might get into more third and tents. Right, 180 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: then you have two incumbly passes on first and second down. 181 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: So how do you balance that? And what's your general 182 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: offensive approaching philosophy in regards to attacking early versus you know, 183 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: depending on third down stuff Like, Yeah, I mean, I 184 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: think you gotta have flexibility for both. You've got to 185 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: be able to um, you know, obviously skip third downs. 186 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: You want to be able to skip their downs as 187 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: much as you can, and that usually means you're doing 188 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: pretty good on first and second down or on first 189 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: and second down and setting yourself up for a favorable 190 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: third down. So you know, those third and five and less, So, 191 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, those are just staying we call staying in 192 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: the green, you know, staying in the green, um being 193 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: able to still you know, not limit yourself from a 194 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: play caller standpoint where all right, now it's second and ten, 195 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: what's the defense thinking probably past? Like you want to 196 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: be able to give yourself at least a chance to 197 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: where they have to unor the run, they have to 198 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: nito the play actually they have found of the past, 199 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and so you know, you want to stay in those 200 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: favoral situations which we call the green. And I know 201 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: college is a big way like this with the wide 202 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: side of the field and you know on the boundary side. 203 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: How much is football just become kind of a numbers 204 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: game now where you just want to get your numbers advantage, 205 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: whether it's personnel type or just player position on the 206 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: field and just taking advantage of those. That's that's what 207 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: we spend so much time with um in you know 208 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: during the game, during the game planning week, so much 209 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: time of you know, where we putting our guys in 210 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: these spots because just you know, primary people for the 211 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: primary spots. That's what we focus on so much. So, yeah, 212 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: it's all about that for us. Is it fun to 213 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: have a wide receiver room? And I always joking about 214 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: this with Kenny, where it's kind of like a basketball team, right, 215 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: you have the point guard in Wandel you got the center, 216 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: and Kenny you got the way you could areas can 217 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: do a little bit everything. He's like your small forward 218 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: is that advantage for an offensive court? And you're having 219 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: guys that have a bunch of different skill sets and 220 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: um a bunch of different strengths. So again, you can 221 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: move those guys around and continue to you know, develop 222 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: on someone's strengths and maybe cover up someone's weaknesses. So 223 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: there's there's definitely a lot of flexibility and you know, 224 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: being on the move those pieces around. It's not it's 225 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: pretty good deal. I know coaches hate when they have 226 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: to move offensive linemen around. You have guys in different 227 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: spots and you can't get continuity. Do you feel like 228 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: you're in a pretty good spot even though that left 229 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: guard spot has kind of been a merry go around 230 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: the last half of camp. I really I really like 231 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: where that group's at. You know, there's there's good veteran 232 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: leadership there. I think those guys are, you know, as 233 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: a room. You know, I think they're they're jelling at 234 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: the right time. I think they all they all kind 235 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: of know, like they all kind of know and trust 236 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: each other, which is I think is the most important 237 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: thing whether you're moving guys around and guys are in 238 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: and out, battle injuries and all that. So I think 239 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: the more you have trust as a group as a unit, 240 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: I think that's what's the most important. And they do 241 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: what are they doing really well right now? You know 242 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: you have passed bro then you know people talk about 243 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: the run game, but zone blocking is much different than 244 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: the gap stuff the polls and things like that. So 245 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: what is the offensive line you think right now really 246 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: doing well? That could be a strength for them. I 247 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: think what they're doing right now is they're communicating. I 248 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: think outside of just scheme, because that's a whole another thing. 249 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: I think right now they're doing a good job of 250 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: communicating and um from those front five guys being all 251 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: on the same page, that's what's gonna get the whole 252 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 1: place started, run pass like whatever, all of those concepts. 253 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: So as long as they're all on the same page, 254 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: we can kind of um live and dies one as 255 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: long as they're all talking like they're all working to 256 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: the same guy and they're on the same page and 257 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: will be fine. How important is they know a lot 258 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: of teams are like you know, they're gonna run zone 259 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: at the time. But watching you guys in the preseason games, 260 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: there was a mix inside zone, night side zone. You're 261 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: pulling the center around a couple of times, right, Is 262 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: it important for you and your scheme to be able 263 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to run the ball in different ways depending on the 264 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: front of defense. Shows Yeah, And and coach coach Bobby 265 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: Johnson does a great job. Coach Tony does a great 266 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: job as well as kind of putting those schemes and 267 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of packaging them nice and tight for us. So 268 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: they do a great job with that, and you know, 269 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: I think it's helped. It's helped our offensive line kind 270 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: of having kind of a selection of different schemes that 271 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: were not just one. We're not just on one thing. 272 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, we have some multiplicity to how we want 273 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: to attack defenses. Give Giant fans a taste of what 274 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: you left in your bag that they didn't see in 275 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: preseason games, that maybe we saw in the practice field. 276 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: We can talk about those, but they haven't seen that 277 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: you kind of still have in your baggage. You know, 278 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: I want to keep them in the bag until until Sunday. 279 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: No peak, No peaking right now, No peaking right now, 280 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: no problem, really quick, what's the challenges of their defense. 281 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: They've got a really tough front and they'll tell you 282 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: what young corners, but really talented corners and then kind 283 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: of two veteran safeties that can help them out a little. Absolutely. 284 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: I mean really at every level, the deep end, you know, 285 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: the linebacker level, and then the front four. All those 286 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: guys are you know, Pro Bowl, all Pro caliber players. So, um, 287 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be a good challenge for us, 288 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: you know. Um, they do a lot of things well, 289 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: they do. They mix up a lot of different coverages, 290 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: have a good pressure package. Um, they do a lot 291 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: of things well. So we'll have to be make sure 292 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: that we got you know, the right schemes up and 293 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: that our guys are playing fast. Final question, how often 294 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: have you gotten home at night, maybe popped open an 295 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: adult beverage, sat on the couch, and then all of 296 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: a sudden you get the FaceTime from Dave's wanting to 297 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: add emotion to some random play that you worked. All 298 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: that happens all the time. That happens all the time, anytime, 299 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: any time of day. Do you like it? Oh that's great, 300 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: I mean that you love that part of it where 301 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: the creativity adding it creating another advantage. Um, and our 302 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: players do a great tap of adjusting to those type 303 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: of things. To a lot of times, we might not 304 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: talk about an adjustment up until we get out on 305 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: the field, and you know what, let's add this to it, 306 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: and its like players like cool. It sounds good like 307 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: they've been great and the adjusting on the fly, and um, 308 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's special. I think that's that's not 309 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: just that didn't just happen everywhere. You know, a lot 310 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: of guys, you know, they're timid when it comes to 311 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the adjustments and don't like change a lot. But our 312 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: guys have been great with those kind of adjustments. Mike, 313 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: we can't wait to see you guys out there and 314 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: finally play some real football. Man. Thanks so much, Thank 315 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: you very much, Mike caf good Giants offensive coordinator. That's 316 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Giants offensive coordinator, Mike cafcad Giant fans, don't forget. Giant 317 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: season tickets are on sale now for the two season. 318 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: In addition to ticket savings, membership benefits include access to 319 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. You can lock 320 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: in your seats and guys, the season is starting just 321 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks starting just one hundred bucks called 322 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: e n y G or visit giants dot com slash 323 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: suites for more information. And now we'll turn our attention 324 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: to the defense. And we're joined by Giants defensive coordinator 325 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: wing Martindale wink Hey doing. We're talking on a Thursday, 326 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: it's and off day. Is this is a little weird 327 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: for you? It's a little different. Yeah, it is definitely 328 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: a little different, But you know that's all part of 329 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: it getting ready to go, you know, the game tonightedo 330 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: get everybody's juices flowing, you know, but it's it's it's here, 331 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: the seasons here, and and and I can't wait to 332 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: get it started. I enjoy listening to the coaches talking 333 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: to figure out how you guys think about the sport. 334 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: And I've kind of developed a little theory with you. 335 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it at you. You think so, I 336 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: know you're a basketball guy. You like basketball, and basketball 337 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: is kind of turned into a position list game, right, 338 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: And the way you talk about your guys on defense 339 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot, I feel like you really don't care what 340 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: position they play. You care about what techniques and role 341 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: they can execute. And then safety out put the blow 342 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: on the scrimmage. I don't care. Is that a fair 343 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: way to describe how you kind of be your players. 344 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a fair way to describe it. Uh, 345 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think really you're right on it. It's 346 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: uh to me the game of in the NFL's to 347 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: become matchups just like the NBA. And so you know 348 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna try to get your best match out the 349 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: matchup out there too, to take away their best guy 350 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: that they think the matchup guy. So I know people 351 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: who made a big deal about the team, you know, 352 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: letting go of Blake mortin Is and you spoke about 353 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: that with the media. We're not going to get back 354 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: into that. But when you take a look then at 355 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: the role you mentioned in the press conference that, look, 356 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: we can use safeties in that spot depending on the situation. 357 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: So when you look at that safety position and is 358 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: that really now almost the jack of old trades position 359 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: on a NFL defense given the different sizes, speeds and 360 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: athleticism with the guys that can be at that spot, yeah, 361 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: I think that. You know, the first thing we look 362 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: for is is someone who's smart and a great communicator. 363 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: So that could be from the safety position that could 364 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: be from the linebacker room as well, but a great 365 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: communicator that is smart and uh, you know, today just 366 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: the way the game is come around, you know, with 367 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: college and everything else and all the seven on seven 368 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: tournaments that mom and dad are taking their kids to 369 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: ever since they were in seventh grade, that's just the 370 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: bigger pool of players to choose from. And uh, you know, 371 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: and you're saying it, you know, trickle down to the 372 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, everything's relative, but it's it's coming to the 373 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: NFL game as well. I mean, heck, if you look 374 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: at the safeties you guys had coming into the league 375 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: ten years ago, that's what the linebackers look like. I mean, 376 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: how many linebackers you have coming out of college now. 377 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy, it is, it is, And it's it's one 378 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: of those things too that you know, the old school, 379 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, first and second down linebacker is going the 380 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: way of the Buffalo because you know, the offenses with 381 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: all the different formations and personnel as they have their 382 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: conformation right out right out of the game and and 383 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: and really attack that player, you know. So it's it's 384 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: one of those things that you know, just try to 385 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: stay a step ahead of the way the offense is going, 386 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: and you know, I think we do a good job 387 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: of doing that. It's gonna say decent, but it would 388 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: actually do a good job doing that. I'm gonna put 389 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: the LAB code on you because the Dr Frankistein you 390 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: can be DR linebacker. If I put you in the 391 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: Lab and you had to build from scratch like the 392 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: perfect off ball inside linebacker in the modern NFL, what 393 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: would that guy look like and what would this skill 394 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: set the Well, it depends on which one, you know 395 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, because like when you're talking about Dimes 396 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: and Wills, those could be safety type players. You know 397 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: that you would want to be able to have on 398 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: the field on every down at all times that you 399 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: can trust to do a lot of different things that 400 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: you want your defense to accomplish. Six four with can 401 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: can run four or five. So you know, we want 402 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: somebody who can run and and and react to all 403 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: the different things that you're gonna thrust at him during 404 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: a game. So you know, I think that, Uh, I'm 405 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: excited to see tape play you know, in there against 406 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: Tennessee and this season because I think he he has 407 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: the body type to be that that MIC linebacker force. Yes, 408 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: So I guess my follow up with them be there 409 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people and you're someone that is very 410 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: concerned with physicality and stuff like that, so size really 411 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: isn't as important as long as they bring that toughness, 412 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: the physicality along with whatever the size they bring to 413 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: the table, right right. And I think when you're building 414 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: a defense too, if you're gonna have small linebackers, you 415 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: better have a big front. And if you have a 416 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: smaller front, then you've gotta have a bigger linebackers, you know. 417 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: But you know, Buddy Ryan always used to say, there's 418 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: a place for a small linebacker and that's behind a 419 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: good big one. And when you have Dexter Larrance and 420 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: Winter Williams, those are two good guys to be behind, right, Oh, 421 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. I'm really excited to see those guys. 422 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: How to having and I guess you kind of right 423 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: half answered the but having those two guys in the 424 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: middle like that, and you can move one it around 425 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: obviously too, that you can depend on to do what 426 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: you need to do. How does that give you more 427 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: flexibility to do different things behind that? Well, like you said, 428 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: you can move Leonard around, you can also move Dex around. 429 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: Dex is one of the one of the well, both 430 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: of them are smart. I mean they're really smart, and 431 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: they know the defense. They know the ins and outs 432 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: of it already. You know, they've come to me with 433 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: ideas that are good, and I just it's it's gonna 434 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: be fun, you know, moving those guys around. The biggest 435 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: thing is is we got to play well on first 436 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: and second down, so we can have fun moving them 437 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: around on third down and third and you know, second 438 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: and long in all those situations. You know, so um, 439 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's an exciting time for us 440 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: just to see, like I said yesterday in the press conference, 441 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: of all eleven playing together. You know, we've seen it 442 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: in practice what I'm saying, see it in a game 443 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: and see us see us getting that rhythm. I'm gonna 444 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: circle back to some bigger picture stuff, but you can 445 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: just let into another question. You know you may and 446 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: yesterday that Ryan Tanniel and the Titans one of the 447 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: best play action teams in the league, right, So you 448 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: gotta worry about that. But at the same time, you 449 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: have this treak and you also have to stop the run. 450 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: And if you look at the numbers they were I 451 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: think on first and tent last year they had the 452 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: highest run percentage in the whole league over, So how 453 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: do you balance then trying to take care of your 454 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: business at Derrick Henry but at the same time being 455 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: on alert for that play action where they can really 456 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: bust you for some big plays on early downs. Well 457 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: that's the that's the respect that I have, you know 458 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: for the Titans and why they were the number one 459 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: seed in the f C last year is because Vrabeo 460 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: has his core beliefs and you see him every Sunday 461 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: and they don't waiver from him. And I love that, 462 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: you know, going against a team like that and also 463 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: seeing that as a coach because he knows what he 464 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: wants to do and he knows what he wants it 465 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: to look like, and that that's a great challenge in itself. 466 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: But you know, like yesterday, you know, we've we've had 467 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: our losses against them in the past, we also had 468 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: our wins and no one wants to talk about that, 469 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: you know. You know what you know I'm saying, you 470 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: know in the media wise because building up to this game, 471 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm really excited to see see this take 472 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: this group down there, you know, in in our our 473 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: group of coaches and the group on defense. So it's 474 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: gonna be fun to just see really, really where you're at. 475 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: We're having a good conversation on our Big Book Kickoff 476 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: Live show with Howard Crossed from the Giants tight end, 477 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: and we're talking about the impact of physicality on the game. 478 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, we like to put numbers on everything, right, analytics, yours, play, 479 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. From a coaching perspective, how 480 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: do you see a team's physicality impact the game on 481 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the field where you know you can't put numbers to it, 482 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: but you see how in your opponent reacts to it, 483 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: whether defensively or offensively. When you know your team is 484 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: being physical, what's the impact that you see from your opponent? Well, 485 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: analytically speaking, pigging back, pigging it off, or going back 486 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: to your last question, the play action pass is the 487 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: best thing an offense can do, all right, analytically speaking, 488 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: But if you're tough and your physical going into that game, 489 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of analytical things you can 490 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: put to it, except they stopped the run, they get 491 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: off the field on third down, they hit your quarterback 492 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: or make them get rid of it faster than any 493 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: other opponent that you play. And and we've been good 494 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: at that in the past, and I expect to be 495 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: good at it now. Anything that you learned about your 496 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: team once you've got the pads on this summer and 497 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: gotten to some preseason games and your players and your 498 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: roster that maybe you thought you knew but you weren't 499 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: quite sure about when you're doing the shorts and T 500 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: shirts stuff. Yeah, I mean the you're not real sure 501 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: on how they're gonna play knocked back uh football up 502 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: front and set the edges. And I thought, you know, 503 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: all all preseason that you know, Drew and you know 504 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: Wilkins with the outside backers, I thought they set set 505 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: the edge well in the run game. And I thought 506 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: we played well, you know with Dre and and be Cox, 507 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, up front with knock back. And I was 508 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: really pleased with that. I thought that the linebacker room, 509 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: the inside linebacker room, played better when we got the 510 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: pads on and what they did, you know, shirt and shorts. Now, 511 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: a lot of that's youth too, you know, with those linebackers. 512 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: But when the when the game had you really saw 513 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: them and some of the playmaking ability you mentioned he already. 514 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: How about the other young inside linebackers. Why should Giant 515 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: fans be excited about this group? Well, I'm excited about 516 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: it because you know, Rock has been sort of the journeyman, 517 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, the underdog, call him rock um. And all 518 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: he's done here is make plays and and made the 519 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: team just because he made plays in the preseason. And 520 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, Dave said from the beginning it doesn't matter, 521 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: you know, first round, undrafted, doesn't matter. We're gonna keep 522 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: the best players, and he wanted him a spot with that. Um. 523 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: Micah has really come on. You know, he's he's come 524 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: a long way, and I really think that there's gonna 525 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: be good things in his future because the way he 526 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: studies the game, the way he takes care of his body, 527 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: the way he prepares every week, and uh, you know, 528 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: I love seeing that Cam is. You know, he's the 529 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: special team demon that you know, it's gonna have to 530 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: carve out a role probably in the sub stuff for 531 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: us initially and then work his way into it. And 532 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: the same thing with Carter. We just got to get 533 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: him going, uh in the process. You know, if you 534 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: know he's a backup now. But a special teams guy 535 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: and the guys that you know, and I tell the 536 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: defense is the guys that make plays on special teams. 537 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: We'll carve out a role for you on defense because 538 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: you know you don't get to dress enough guys, so 539 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: many guys as you address, you want to try to 540 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: play him as many times you can't as much as 541 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: you can. But you know, every game is different, every 542 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: situation is different. You mentioned moving the guys up fronting 543 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: the linebackers watching it looks like chaos when all those 544 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: guys are standing up with the line. But we see 545 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: you practice that with the garbage cans right during practice, 546 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: lining them up. What's the science behind the chaos As 547 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: a coach, well, I think there's you know, there's methods 548 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: of is how we're gonna do it, and there's also 549 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: principles which you know those can change. And once you 550 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: get the players and you know, going through the you know, 551 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: the walkthrough stuff like you're saying with the cans in 552 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: our concept period. Once you get them asking questions, that's 553 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: when you know you have them. Hey, hey, wink, can 554 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: we what do you think about this? You know you 555 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: either say no or yeah, let's try it, let's do it, 556 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: and if it's their idea, it'll work because they're gonna 557 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: make it work, you know. And that's why you know, 558 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: the the open communication that we have in the in 559 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: the meeting room is vital to our success because this 560 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: is their defense. It's in their hands as the players 561 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: because we don't go out there on the field on Sunday. 562 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: So once they understand that and they know all the 563 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: checks and they know what we can do with it, 564 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: that's that's when it gets to be a lot of fun. 565 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: All right. Final question aside from DWI Jackson, was a 566 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: lot of experience. You have a relatively young and inexperienced 567 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: cornerback crew, right what do they need to be able 568 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: to do well to execute a lot of that cover one, 569 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: cover zerold man press type of defense that you can 570 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: they're gonna be asked to do. What are some of 571 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: the things that fans can watch for when they're watching 572 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: the games, like, all right, well, this guy's got it. 573 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: He knows what he's supposed to do and what you 574 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: keep it on when you watch that. I think the 575 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: biggest thing we're stressing right now is just stay on 576 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: top of the routes. You know, and uh you know, 577 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: whether it's man or whether it's blitz zero or you 578 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: know what, what it could be quarters and it's still 579 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: the same coverage to those guys on the outside, it's 580 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: basically blitz zero coverage. Uh. So you just stay on 581 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: top of the routes and and study the game. And 582 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: now you know, initially I know that Rome, Jerome Henderson, 583 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to get everybody pressing early, like 584 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: in that New England game, just so they can understand 585 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: here's what it is, here's how we have to do it. 586 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: And even if they failed, at least you could correct 587 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: it in the preseason. And then it looks like you 588 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: backed off that a little bit the second preseasons exactly. 589 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: So we can just get just just so they can 590 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: learn their best technique and what they can play and 591 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: when they can play it. So it's it's a process 592 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: with the younger corners, and uh, you know, I think 593 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: that the starting group that we have is are up 594 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: to the task and we just gotta keep building death 595 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: behind it. You've been happy with Darnay and Aaron and 596 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: what they've showing you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought I 597 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: thought a Rob's had a good camp Uh, Darnay has 598 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: had a good camp, very productive camp. Uh want him 599 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: to get some picks in the game. He's all his 600 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: picks right now in practice, but that'll come and they 601 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: come in bunches. Wink, this is awesome. Appreciate the time 602 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: so much, Winn Gihnt's defensive coordinator. Good stuff from Wink 603 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: Martinel there. We thank him for joining us in the 604 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: Giant Suttle Podcast. Thomas mcgahey is coming up next, but 605 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: first a reminder, don't miss your chance to experience a 606 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: premier hospitality experience watching Giant games and world class concerts. 607 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: In two is a Giant Sweet Partner. Limited full season's 608 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: locations are available or place of deposit for individual games 609 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: called a eight eight n Y or go to Giants 610 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: dot com slash sweets for more information. And now we're 611 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: joined by Giants Special Teams Coordinator Thomas mcgahey coach. First, 612 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: let's start with this. So we're week We're talking on 613 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: a Thursday and it's an off day. What was going on? Yeah, 614 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a little different, you know, you know, going 615 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: in a week one. I guess the rationale is giving 616 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: him a a day off later in the week. So 617 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: and get their legs back, and then you know, off 618 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: of a long weekend, you know you have the cuts, 619 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: and so you have to cut down the roster. So 620 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: they kind of had a long weekend. You bring them back, 621 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: let them go, and you don't want to give them 622 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: too much time off, but you get those two days 623 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: and then give him a little break and then come 624 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: back have a good Friday. I got to imagine though, 625 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: this week and a half, and it's more time now 626 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: than before, So I'm sure it's good for a special 627 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: teams coach has got to be a little frantic because 628 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: no one is really more affected by who the last 629 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: few guys on the roster are more than you. So 630 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: what has it been like now kind of absorbing what 631 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: the fifty three was, then seeing the other eight or 632 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: nine changes that and after that, and then kind of 633 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: figuring out exactly what players you even have at your 634 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: disposal to work with in week one. It's not easy. 635 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: It's definitely not easy. It's uh it's literally like you 636 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: have to do three different installs. So you do one 637 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: in the spring when all the young guys and the 638 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: veterans come back. Then you do another one at training 639 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: camp right when everybody comes back and then now it's 640 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: a whole like I got a whole new group of guys. 641 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a lot of new faces. All 642 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: the stuff that you taught back in in the spring. 643 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Lowe's guys don't know that stuff. So you gotta re 644 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: teach it again and you gotta do it real fast, 645 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: and you got rid of you gotta get prepared for 646 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: week one and uh, you know it's it's a lot, 647 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: but you know again, you just you know, you don't 648 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: make any excuses, just make adjustments and keep moving. Now. 649 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: As you know, Jeff Eels works with us. A lot 650 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: of guy that you coach back in the day, and 651 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: he he, he always gives us a little hint. He 652 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: goes John on the last preseason game, go count to 653 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: see who's on the first few punt coverage teams, kick 654 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: coverage teams, and that's probably a good guy to who 655 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: has a good chance of making the roster from a 656 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: special team's perspective. And I think if you go back, 657 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: you look Can Brown, Carter Coughlin, Gary Brightwell, and Tonio Williams. 658 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: These are guys that had huge role in up Chris 659 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Myrick another guy who in that last preseason game played 660 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: a lot of special team snaps as another guy that 661 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: was a key guy. So it does seem like you 662 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: have a nice group that wasn't even here last year, 663 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: right that that kind of still forms the core of 664 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: your special team's coverage in return groups. Yeah, it's it's 665 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: hard because you know, those guys in the preseason, you 666 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: get so many limited reps in the preseason and you 667 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: want to get you know, they gotta get in game shape, 668 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: they gotta get game ready. So those guys have to 669 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: get those reps, and you know, it's just one of 670 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: those deals. They have to get the reps. So you 671 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: just gotta keep playing them. And but they're not gonna 672 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: get a lot of reps, you know what I mean. 673 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: In the preseason, you see and you're seeing it more 674 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: now with the analytics. You know, people are going forward 675 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: on fourth and one, fourth and two, and normally that's 676 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: a punning situation, or you know you're getting a plus area. 677 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: Uh you know, say you're at the plus thirty eight 678 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: and it's fourth and one to two. Most of the 679 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: time that's a field goal. Well, nowadays it's people are 680 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: going forward, you know, So our our reps are limited it, 681 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: but you gotta get those cast of guys going. You know, 682 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: you gotta start forming a core and just trying to 683 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: figure out who you have and what they can do. 684 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned some of those guys already. Who 685 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: else should fans keep an eye and as the guys 686 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: that could develop into your core special teamers that will 687 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: be on all those returning coverage teams. Oh man, you know, 688 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: we got a bunch of young guys that are that 689 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: are working their tails off. You know, I'll say this, um, 690 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: Trent Thompson is a guy who probably need to watch 691 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: for he he does it. He's been doing a really 692 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: good job for us. And uh, you know, Dame Belton 693 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: is another guy that's gonna you know, as as he 694 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: gets healthier, you know, he'll be a part of the core. 695 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: So it's it's gonna be fun watching these guys developed. 696 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: You know you mentioned not a lot of reps. You 697 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: guys practice, You have two periods of special teams in 698 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: every practice over the summer. But from a layman's perspective, 699 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: I see what you do in practice and you mimic 700 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: it the best you can. But once you not, I mean, 701 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: do you really the reps really all that useful until 702 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: you get pads on and you're going full speed, flying 703 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: down the field in the game because it's impossible to 704 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: mimic that temple and just the physicality of the islands 705 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: in the hitting. So do you really not get what 706 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: you need to go until you start getting those real 707 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: in game reps? Yeah, basically, you know, you you can 708 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: do as much as you can to simulate the speed 709 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: and practice, but nothing's like a game rep, you know. 710 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: And uh, we try and simulate is as much as 711 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: we can, but there's nothing like going out in the game. 712 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: Ball goes up in the air, you're flying down the field. 713 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: You gotta read the guy's leverage, you gotta read his shoulder, 714 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: see how he's trying to block you as a double 715 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: team coming you know, is a guy coming from the 716 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: other side, what's this drop angle? Where's the ball? Like 717 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: all of that stuff and the speed of it. It's 718 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, and the only way you can 719 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: simulate is getting a game and do it. What are 720 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: you looking for for in a course special teams player? 721 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Is it's height, weight, speed and physicality important as you're covering. Frankly, 722 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: just so much speed and distance. But I know there's 723 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: a mental part of it too, So one of the 724 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: things you're looking for when you're trying to identify those 725 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: core special I love big speed, you know, big strong, 726 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: physical guys that can run and make good decisions. But 727 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: more importantly than anything, and he has to be selfless. 728 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: You know, that guy has to be um not thinking 729 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: about himself, but thinking about his teammate because you might 730 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: get an A on the play even though you're nowhere 731 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: near making not right absolutely, your job might be to 732 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: take on the double team and drive through it, and 733 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna get crushed, you know what I mean, Like 734 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna get pushed all way to the sideline. You've 735 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: got two guys trying to beat you up, but you 736 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: might free up another guy to get down the field 737 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: and make a play. So guys like that that are 738 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: willing to do the tough and nasty, uh thankless jobs, 739 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: those are the guys that you want on your spect 740 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: steam Junior, because at some point in time they're gonna 741 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: be the guy that's going to make the play. At 742 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: some point in time, they're gonna be the guy that's 743 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: not going to quote unquote make the play. So we're 744 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: looking for guys that that are selfless. I know it's 745 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: probably tough for an old school special teams guy like you, 746 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: but as kickoff returning kick coverage just because of the 747 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: number of times you're actually doing it now, is that 748 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: less a priority for you guys in terms of preparation 749 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: and putting the roster together than punt returning punk coverage 750 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: out just because of the the number of reps Yet for us, 751 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: because we don't just kick touchbacks. Like Graham has the 752 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: ability to kick the ball ten rose deep every time, 753 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: but we don't do that. We keep the ball, we 754 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: hang the ball up. We try and make the only 755 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: team and well, we want the other team to have 756 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: to return kickoffs because a lot of teams, just because 757 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: of what you said, a lot of teams don't like 758 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: doing it now. So we're gonna try and make them 759 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: do it right. So if they have a guy back 760 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: there may be a young player is not as good, uh, 761 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, or they're catching the ball at the on 762 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: the goal line taking a step back and trying to 763 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: take a knee. You know, we're gonna try and force 764 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: the issue. So we're we look at it differently, uh, 765 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, as a team schematically, but you're right as 766 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: a whole in the league, you're only average and probably 767 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: three returns four returns a game, you know, which is 768 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: a lot different than how it used to be where 769 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: you returned every kick, you know, and you had to 770 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: cover every kick. So yeah, it's a little different. Punp 771 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: punt return you know, that's where you getting most of 772 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: your reps now. But even with that, with the analytics, 773 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: it's being cut down. So you gotta you know, you 774 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: gotta take advantage of the ones you get. When you're 775 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: determining who might be a good kick returner versus a 776 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: good punt returner. What's the difference in the skill set 777 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: you want from those two players? Very similar skill sets, 778 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: but the kickoff return has to be a little bit 779 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: more durable because physically it's gonna take some shots and 780 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's it's that's that's just the play like 781 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a violent play, um, but you you have 782 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 1: to be able to hold up and uh yeah, that 783 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: that's only the really probably the real difference. As a 784 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: punt return, you've gotta be a really good decision maker. Uh, 785 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: you gotta understand, you gotta have a presence of feeling 786 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: the coverage coming down on top of you. Okay, where 787 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: am I on the field. I'm on the eight yard line, 788 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: on the six yard line, you know what I mean. 789 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: Like you have to have that kind of wherewithal to 790 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: be back there. And I think the other decision making 791 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: that's underrated Tom is whether or not the run up 792 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 1: then catch it right, you know, even if you're around 793 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: the thirty yard line or so, you know, run up 794 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: into traffic, you're looking down at the guys coming at you, 795 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: looking at the ball. But if you let it bounce, 796 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: then you might lose fifteen or twenty yards the field position. 797 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: So how do you coach that part of it up? Well, 798 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: we always when we tell our guys to run up, 799 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: when they're running up, they always got to protect themselves 800 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: with a fair catch, you know. So if I got 801 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: to sprint into a crowd, I'm never gonna sprint into 802 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: the crowd and not trying fair catch the ball. That's 803 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: you're putting yourself at risk. You're putting our team at risk. 804 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: Turn the ball over. So that's that's kind of how 805 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: we deal with that. And what's your line in terms 806 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: of catching it near the goal line? Is it you 807 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: put your feet on the ten or It just depends 808 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: on who we're playing that. Uh. Some guys are really 809 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: really good at pinning it inside the five, so we 810 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: might when we we might catch one at the six 811 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: or at the seven. Uh. And then some of them 812 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: are just okay. And normally the line of demarcation is 813 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: probably the nine or ten yard line and uh, and 814 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: we'll go from there. But each guy is different. You know, 815 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: some of these guys are really really good at down 816 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: that putting the ball inside the five. Gunners, what are 817 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: you looking for in a gunner? And and how do 818 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: you decide speed? That's that's the number one thing. You 819 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: have to be able to run fast. That's a position 820 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: to where if you're not fast, it is going to 821 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: show up really quick. And you know, the gunners all 822 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: your punt coverage, it starts with your gunners, you know. 823 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: So they're the first one to be able to release 824 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: down the field. And if they can't get off the 825 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: line and can't force the punt. As a punt unit, 826 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: you're in trouble because when you look at all the 827 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: big punt returns that happened in the league, what happens 828 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: is the gunners get blocked and then once the gunners 829 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: get blocked. You don't have a force player, So you 830 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 1: gotta be able to get down the field. You gotta 831 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: have speed, you know, on the edge in the game, 832 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: and be smart to make good decisions as you get 833 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: down the field. How valuable is it for you and 834 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: a luxury to have pros like Casey Cried and Graham 835 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: Gonal that have been doing this forever and they're just 836 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: such professionals and so good at what they do. Is 837 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: they're as your long snapper and field goal kicker. Yeah, 838 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's a blessing, definitely. It's you know, 839 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: always called a long snapper, he's a quarterback of the 840 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: special teams, you know. And Casey has done an outstanding 841 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: job with his leadership and how he works. Uh. And 842 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: then Graham's like a metronome, like he's just he's consistent, 843 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: he's he's always trying to work to get better. And uh, 844 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: he's done a really good job for us on and 845 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: off the field. So having those two guys is really 846 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: a true blessing. I'll get to Jimmie Gillan last in 847 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: a second personal PUNP protector. How do you decide the 848 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: guy that's not able for that? Because that Also, if 849 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: you guys end up at some point do some trickery, 850 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: I know that guy is often involved in that trickery too. 851 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: So what are you looking for when you figure out 852 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: who's gonna be your personal punt protector? You know, it's 853 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: it's like Dave's always talks about in a normal player 854 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: that we're looking for a smart, tough and dependable player. Uh. 855 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: That guy has he's the quarterback of the of the 856 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: plunt team, so he makes all the calls. Uh. He 857 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: has to be smart, he has to be um, he 858 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: has to have the anticipatory management skills, and you have 859 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: to trust him absolutely. And that that's probably the biggest 860 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: thing because he you know, we always say punch's the 861 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: most important playing football because when you punch, you win, right. 862 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: So that guy has to steer the ship, you know, 863 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: so if if the ship's going in their own direction, 864 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: we're in trouble. Right, So that guy as a personal protector. 865 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: Julian Love, who's our person protector? Uh, he's probably a 866 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: guy trust the most. All right, final question, Jenny Gillen. 867 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: You know he's been in the legal while, he's done 868 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: a lot, but talking to Jeff Eagles is Johnny gotta 869 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: understand this guy is still relatively new to punting, So 870 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: how do you kind of balance those things and make 871 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: sure you get him ready because he has all the 872 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: physical tools you want to to hit it high if 873 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: you need it, a directional if you wanted to boom 874 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: it if you need him to. So what's the process 875 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: of just refining his skill set so he can give 876 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: you exactly what you need on any given play with Jamie? 877 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: Was just trying to find a comfort zone for him? 878 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: What does he like to do? How does he like 879 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: to do it? Uh? How many times a week? Or 880 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna work on skill A, B or c um 881 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: and then narrowing down how we're going to move forward, 882 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. One week we might be 883 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: focused on a certain kick, the next week we might 884 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: be focused on another one. But just finding a comfort 885 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: zone for him to where he can relax and be himself. 886 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: I know it's a Howard experience. When you look back, though, 887 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: you're happy now that you actually lost Graham for part 888 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: of that preseason game. So now you know, if you 889 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: get into a game, you're like, yo, we're ready to go. Yeah, 890 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's I knew you know he did all 891 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: three in college, so I knew he had that in him, 892 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: and he kicked off as a rookie. Yeah, that was 893 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: a whole another different animal, you know. I I applaud 894 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: Julian for for volunteering for that job. I'll get a 895 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: quick story. So we're out there in the field and 896 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: Casey snapped one to him and the first one just 897 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: looked terrible. I was like, oh my gosh, there's no 898 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: way he's gonna be able to do this. And it 899 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: took him, you know, two or three reps, and it 900 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: was like it was amazing. Like Julian is, he took 901 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: about three steps up that day for me on my 902 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: uh I love you guy type list, you know that 903 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: that dude, what he did was was amazing and just 904 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: that and just like didn't blink. It's like, yeah, I'll 905 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: do it, and they've never done it before, and it 906 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: just shows you what kind of guy is, what type 907 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: of what type of athlete he is to be able to, 908 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: you know, have that hand eye coordination to do it 909 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: and in front of people, you know, So no, it 910 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: was it was awesome and he seemed to enjoy it too, 911 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: like he just seems to love embracing that sort of stuff. 912 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: And he's he's a different guy. He's he's a special guy. 913 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: And uh, you know you wish you had, you know, 914 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: let me more like him, you know, Coach, this is fun, man, 915 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thomas Baby, thank you for joining us 916 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: on the Giant Hubtle podcast. Thanks for being with us 917 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: older everybody as you talked to all the Giants coordinators. 918 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: Will see you next time. Everybody,