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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Undefeated Chargers. They've beating the Chiefs, the Raiders, Broncos, they

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Speaker 2: got the Giants coming up, and then after that they've

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Speaker 2: got Washington. He's Jim Harbaugh back on the show. Who

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Speaker 2: has it better than we do?

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Speaker 3: Nobody?

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Speaker 2: I coachy, Dan, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. How

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Speaker 2: about you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Doing really really good? Really, uh, really happy. I'm happy

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Speaker 3: about our team, our organization. There's a there's a never

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Speaker 3: give up, never give in personality, and that that bodes

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Speaker 3: well for Uh. That's the kind of hearts champions are

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Speaker 3: made up. Makes me happy.

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Speaker 2: How long will you wait to call your brother after

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Speaker 2: that game last night?

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Speaker 3: We've already texted, so I'm sure we'll talk sometime today.

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Speaker 2: What do you add? Does he ask you or do

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Speaker 2: you volunteer?

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Speaker 4: All?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I think? Uh? I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how this one will go up. Uh, I mean, uh,

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Speaker 3: he saw a lot more than I did, and Uh,

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Speaker 3: it was a heck of a football game. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: he knows, he knows what his team needs this. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Punching the ball out? Do you teach that to your players?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Punch it out, rip it out. I mean lawn more.

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Speaker 3: Uh that that ball. Everybody's going for that ball.

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Speaker 2: But when it seems like Peanut Tillman might have been

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Speaker 2: the first who was punching the ball out, but you

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Speaker 2: know we're not. There's certain guys that are hard to tackle.

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Speaker 2: But is that the philosophy? Derrick Henry is tough to

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Speaker 2: bring down, so why not go for the most vulnerable

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Speaker 2: part of him and that's the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you're up a great point. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if if something if mister Tailman can do it, then

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Speaker 3: another man can do it once. You know, once somebody

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Speaker 3: sees somebody do something that hasn't been done. Uh, then uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, see if I can do it that way.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the uh, that's the mentality there. It's

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Speaker 3: it's it's across sports.

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Speaker 2: But you're teaching that to your guys.

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and you teach me every week. You show

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Speaker 3: the you show the ways that that the ball is

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Speaker 3: coming out and getting loose, you know, in the in

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Speaker 3: the running game from non aggressive angles. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks the most at risk and the ball carrier.

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Speaker 3: You know, the different ways that the that the ball

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Speaker 3: comes out. You show it every single week, you know,

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Speaker 3: for the for the sake of the ball carrier and

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Speaker 3: for the sake of those trying to get it out.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in the in the in the passing

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Speaker 3: game and the interception turnovers. Uh, tips and overs. Throws

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Speaker 3: are still the leading cause of turnovers in America.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs, Raiders, and Broncos. You've beaten them. Which out

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Speaker 2: of those three was your best game so far?

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Speaker 3: Oh? That's Uh, it's it's it's like your kids. You yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean the wins. You love them all? Uh, you

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Speaker 3: you love them all the same weather.

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Speaker 2: Has to be one where you know.

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Speaker 3: You say that, you know, you say that as a parent.

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Speaker 3: There's gotta there's gotta be a favorite. There's gotta be.

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Speaker 2: One that I have favorite kids, Jim.

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Speaker 3: The division wins, definitely, Uh, the division wins. You know,

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Speaker 3: the ones that that that it seems are better. You

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Speaker 3: know that you're you're you're right. There's there's some that

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Speaker 3: are better and those are the division wins.

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Speaker 2: Are you preparing for Jackson Dart to play this weekend

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Speaker 2: with the Giants?

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Speaker 3: Uh, we'll prepare for for the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And in both you know, both both quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: How do you prepare you prepared differently for Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: and Jackson Dart?

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Speaker 3: Uh, I mean somewhat. I mean some of the Uh,

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Speaker 3: I mean just off the you know, just off off

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Speaker 3: of what we've seen. I mean Jackson Dart, the quarterback

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Speaker 3: driven kind of game as uh, you know, would be

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Speaker 3: more in play.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Jim Harball, they got the Giants coming up

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Speaker 2: on Sunday. The Herbert throw across his body. As a

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Speaker 2: former quarterback, how would you describe that throw? And was

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Speaker 2: was that scripted to throw it that way?

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Speaker 3: No, that was that was a that was an extended

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Speaker 3: I do have the I do have the adjective to

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Speaker 3: describe it. Uh, impossible. It was an impossible throw and

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Speaker 3: it was an impossible catch by Keenan Allen both both

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Speaker 3: as he's throwing it, he you know, runs into the

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Speaker 3: much extension and and then it was just then it's

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Speaker 3: and you know that throws the ball. What was it

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Speaker 3: twenty five thirty yards as the crow flies there and

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Speaker 3: maybe thirty five with a defender covering Keenan. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: perfectly placed. And you know John Justin's Justin's throws. Uh,

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Speaker 3: you know they never die at the at the receiver.

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Speaker 3: It's uh, it's got that it gets. When I catch

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Speaker 3: his ball pregame, it's like none I've ever caught before,

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Speaker 3: because when it's halfway to me, I know I better

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Speaker 3: get my hands up and especially protect my face because

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Speaker 3: it just at the end it I think baseball pitchers

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Speaker 3: call it hop right when it's uh, when it speeds

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Speaker 3: up at the end. And you know there's quarterbacks that

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Speaker 3: that when they throw, I mean it'll hop and as

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Speaker 3: go straight on the line that it's going. It's it's uh,

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Speaker 3: it's different than than anything I've ever seen. Pussy Pussy

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Speaker 3: gets hit in the head uh as he's throwing it. Uh,

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Speaker 3: it was all of that impossible.

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Speaker 2: Was it a good throw? Though? If it like were

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Speaker 2: you on the sidelines going no, no, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Uh no, I've really learned not to not to do

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Speaker 3: that anymore. There was there was, there's times there's time

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Speaker 3: in practice there there's been times in games where I said, no,

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Speaker 3: that he's you know, the guy's covered. But he's got

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Speaker 3: the ability. And we tell our receivers everybody running, everybody alert,

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Speaker 3: even if you think you're covered. You know, our quarterback

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Speaker 3: can put the ball to a spot. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: he can hit the bulls eye. It's to me, I

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Speaker 3: think of it as a handoff. You know, it's a

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Speaker 3: thirty five yard handoff or it's a forty five yard handoff.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it fifty five yard handoff, and that's what

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Speaker 3: a forty yard handoff looks like. You know, with the

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Speaker 3: right on the bullseye.

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Speaker 2: We had him on preseason and I ask him if

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Speaker 2: he would incorporate more running, kind of like Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: because when I saw him in college, certainly in the

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Speaker 2: Rose Bowl, like he looked really impressive running. And Steve

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Speaker 2: Young comes on the show and he says, there's so

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Speaker 2: much you know, real estate out there. If you you

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Speaker 2: got to take advantage of that, you got to use

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Speaker 2: your legs and go get that. Is that being incorporated

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Speaker 2: into the game plan more this year than it has

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Speaker 3: Well, it has it definitely has. You know, Justin's making

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Speaker 3: so many plays that way. He's always really been that

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Speaker 3: kind of quarterback. You know, there's there's nothing he's not

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Speaker 3: good at it. There's an old saying. I don't know

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Speaker 3: when I heard it, but uh, you know that God

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Speaker 3: doesn't give anybody a monopoly, maybe except Justin Herbert and

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Speaker 3: in all seriousness, and he has people ask me, you know,

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Speaker 3: was he improved on this year? You know, he's he's

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Speaker 3: he's just always been great since I've been here day one.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's like watching greatness every single day.

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Speaker 3: What has he improved on? He did get a mile

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Speaker 3: an hour faster this this off season week previously had

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Speaker 3: talked him on the GPS at twenty point seven miles

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Speaker 3: per hour, and then in training camp he took off

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Speaker 3: ran and we got him at twenty one point six

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Speaker 3: miles an hour, so almost a full second faster. And

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Speaker 3: he works on it every day. His training is is elite.

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Speaker 3: He's he's conditioning, he's he's it's speed training, and he

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Speaker 3: has he has gotten faster and uh and it's and

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Speaker 3: it's showing up in the games.

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Speaker 2: When did you realize there was unfinished business in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: When when I walked off the field at the at

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl in twenty and thirteen, you know, I

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Speaker 3: was really proud of our team and what they did

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Speaker 3: to get there and uh and how they played in

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Speaker 3: the game, and felt like, you know, there'll be another day,

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Speaker 3: almost almost like, uh, who's the actor, who's the actor?

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Speaker 3: And field of dreams? Uh Burt Lancaster, Uh when he

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Speaker 3: said he got his one at bat in the major

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Speaker 3: leagues and he walked off the field and thought there

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Speaker 3: would be other days. But then there weren't any other days.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought there would be other days, and

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Speaker 3: then for a long time that there wasn't any other days.

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Speaker 3: And now with the Chargers, with the team that that

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Speaker 3: has the license and the ability to do it, I

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm feeling that there's going to be another day.

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Speaker 2: How's your dad?

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Speaker 3: He's good. Thanks for asking. He's uh he was. He

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Speaker 3: was in Baltimore the last the last two weeks and

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Speaker 3: UH so been uh been talking with him Texan Texan

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Speaker 3: this morning. I haven't talked yet, but UH looking looking

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Speaker 3: forward to that. We we uh he my mom, we

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Speaker 3: we talk about every other day, so uh get I

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Speaker 3: need to talk to my dad today. See what Uh

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Speaker 3: see how he's doing. Get his football perspective of of

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Speaker 3: the game last night and our game and uh and

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Speaker 3: my son Jay's game. Uh, Jay harball. How about the

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Speaker 3: you talk about the trifecta. He's the special teams coach

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Speaker 3: coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks. And they had a ninety

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Speaker 3: five yard kickoff return for a touchdown I think the

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Speaker 3: longest maybe in Seahawks history and maybe in the first

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Speaker 3: in the last ten years they had they had oh

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Speaker 3: that was a pump return punt return ninety five and

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Speaker 3: then a kickoff return for sixty five and and they

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Speaker 3: blocked a field goal. I mean, that's that's the trifecta

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Speaker 3: right there. Man.

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Speaker 2: Well didn't John John started out with special teams, didn't

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Speaker 2: he dead?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure did. Uh And it's uh, it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's the coach that uh probably I mean coaches everybody.

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Speaker 3: Uh and James Jay's a great coach. We were together

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Speaker 3: at Michigan for seven years and Uh, I feel like,

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Speaker 3: the in the in the best kind of way that uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm here and he's kind of like he's going,

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Speaker 3: he's going above me, he's getting he's better and I mean,

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Speaker 3: uh getting better and is better and and just ascending

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Speaker 3: in every way as a as a coach and a dad,

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Speaker 3: you know, just one of my favorite coaches that I've

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Speaker 3: ever ever worked with or been around. Uh. And that's

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Speaker 3: what we want for our kids, right, we want them

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Speaker 3: to be We want them to be better than us.

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Speaker 2: Look at that smile on your face. Look at you

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Speaker 2: round dad. Do you think your dad could take me?

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Speaker 3: Take you? Yeah, in a fight?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's always the same may That's a that's never really

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Speaker 3: resonated with me, Like, who could? Who could? Why would

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Speaker 4: feeling like you know, back then, it was not there

437
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Speaker 4: was a stigma around around mental health and being vulnerable

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Speaker 4: and opening up, especially for men, especially for men with

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Speaker 4: other men about your feelings, so with your fathers, with

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Speaker 4: your coaches back then, you know, you didn't feel like

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Speaker 4: there was anyone that you talk to about how you're feeling.

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Speaker 4: Your struggles or your difficulties you're suffering. And you know,

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Speaker 4: for me, it was you know, getting into therapy, meeting

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Speaker 4: sister Katherine Waters at seat in the hall, you know,

445
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Speaker 4: really changed my life.

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Speaker 2: Are you built for this?

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Speaker 8: For going on the show, I'm definitely built for I've

448
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Speaker 8: watched you.

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Speaker 2: For a coaching ten more years, Danny? Are you? Are

450
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Speaker 2: you built for ten more years?

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Speaker 4: I don't know about ten I don't really, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that sometimes I'll say I'm gonna coach so

453
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Speaker 4: I'm sixty.

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Speaker 8: Or you know, I'm gonna I'm going to coach, you know,

455
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Speaker 8: just my fifty ninth year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would like to enjoy, you know, a

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Speaker 4: part of my life where I have some vitality, some health.

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Speaker 4: Because I love my wife, I want to and I

459
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Speaker 4: want my wife and my family to experience life outside

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Speaker 4: of basketball, where you could travel and and be more

461
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Speaker 4: of a civilian, live a more normal life, have a

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Speaker 4: normal Christmas holiday in a new year.

463
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Speaker 8: So I'm like, i feel like I'm always playing.

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Speaker 4: On New Years or New Year's Eve, and I feel

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Speaker 4: like I was gonna pit my stomach on Christmas Eve

466
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Speaker 4: or what have you. But then the other aspect of

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Speaker 4: it for me is like when you're in a sports world,

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Speaker 4: whether you're a player or you're a coach, and you're

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Speaker 4: making the type of money that we're making. You know,

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Speaker 4: I just feel like you have an obligation to literally

471
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Speaker 4: push yourself to the point of burnout for the seven

472
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Speaker 4: or eight million dollars a year that they pay me

473
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Speaker 4: to coach Yukon, I should work myself close to death

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Speaker 4: for them to make that type of living to be

475
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Speaker 4: a basketball coach. Or if you're an NBA player or

476
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Speaker 4: an NFL player making twenty thirty forty million dollars a year,

477
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Speaker 4: you should last thing you should be thinking about as longevity.

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Speaker 4: What you should be thinking about it For me, for

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Speaker 4: the way I look at it is pushing yourself to

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Speaker 4: the absolute max until burnout hits and then you obviously

481
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Speaker 4: at that point then you could retire.

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Speaker 3: You know. I grew up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the coaches like Dickford Meal, you know, were the

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Speaker 4: coaches that that that I idolized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you gotta have quality that has to be balanced.

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Speaker 3: I've got that ahead of me.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: No, No, you need it. You needn't. Trust me. I

489
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: did not have balance when I did Sports Center, and

490
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Speaker 2: it was less stressful by far than what you're going through.

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Speaker 2: And until I found some kind of balance, I didn't

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Speaker 2: enjoy it. And I don't know if you enjoy those

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Speaker 2: two championships as much as you probably should have, you know,

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Speaker 2: the highest of highs. You're probably you know, fixated on

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Speaker 2: what happened last season, and you know that's you gotta

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Speaker 2: have balance, man, you gotta.

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Speaker 4: It's listen, you enjoy I mean the the uh Like

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Speaker 4: when you realize you've won the championship.

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Speaker 3: There there's a uh.

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Speaker 4: There's an elation and an indescribable feeling of joy and love.

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Speaker 4: You know that that reaches you, like the deepest parts

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Speaker 4: of your soul. And this this this incredible realization of

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Speaker 4: this of climbing Mount Everest and being at the top,

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Speaker 4: it does, it.

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Speaker 3: Dissipates so quickly.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Dan, I think with just a way

507
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Speaker 4: that I'm wired, and I think a lot of I

508
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: think you know a lot of the best coaches and

509
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: the people like my dad that I've modeled. It's like

510
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Speaker 4: the season feels a lot like suffering and relief, suffering

511
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: and relief, suffering and relief, and then it either ends

512
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Speaker 4: in elation or or it ends the way it ended

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Speaker 4: for me in Florida versus Florida. And then there's the

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Speaker 4: tunnel and there's the sore loser.

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Speaker 2: Danah, Do you think back on that at all? What

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Speaker 2: you know? Sore loser? Dan I do? I know you

517
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: address it, but you know where did that come from? Where?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's just the competitor in you.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: And I think again, like, you know, I think a

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Speaker 4: couple of things could be true. I got to get

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Speaker 4: better that way, you know, like that's something that trusts

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Speaker 4: me when it's over, you know, and you know I

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Speaker 4: lack that that that that self control and and and

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Speaker 4: awareness to be.

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Speaker 3: Able to just walk away. You know, like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean that's disappointing. You know, I end up, you know,

529
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Speaker 4: tarnishing my reputation and you know, like you know, it's

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Speaker 4: embarrassing and it's it's not a positive thing, but it's

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Speaker 4: also too a lot of you know, my superpower that

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Speaker 4: I bring to your organization is this relentless competitive drive

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Speaker 4: that that my teams embody. Uh. And I do think

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Speaker 4: in sports you do need more more characters that go

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Speaker 4: I think kind of uh life or death urgency with

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Speaker 4: with winning and losing, I think is what makes sports great.

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Speaker 4: So I think you you know, not having characters that

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Speaker 4: that look at games, uh you know, I don't look

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Speaker 4: at it like a game. I look at it like

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Speaker 4: a battle, a fight.

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Speaker 3: It's not a game for me.

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Speaker 2: Your voice sounds like it's in mid season form?

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Speaker 3: Does it?

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Speaker 2: Does it ever sound good?

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Speaker 4: I mean, yesterday it was day one and uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: and and I'm ready to go. And this is winter Dan.

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Speaker 4: I think summer Dan, you know, is late, a little

548
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Speaker 4: more laid back. Uh, you know, but this is the

549
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Speaker 4: time of year where we all turn it up. I'm

550
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Speaker 4: excited about this team. I think that this team, you know,

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Speaker 4: you don't go into the year like last year. I

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Speaker 4: think you have enough time with your team in the

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Speaker 4: summer and in a preseason where I think going into

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Speaker 4: last year there was a feeling amongst the staff that

555
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Speaker 4: maybe we didn't have enough relative to what we put

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Speaker 4: together to be able to go for the three p

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Speaker 4: That will not be this team story.

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Speaker 8: This team has enough.

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Speaker 4: If we give absolutely everything and if our pursuit is honorable,

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Speaker 4: if it's an honorable pursuit of championships with the way

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Speaker 4: that we approach things, this team will have a chance

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Speaker 4: to compete for all the championships.

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Speaker 2: I hope the book is cathartic for you because you

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Speaker 2: you're visiting a lot of different places. Hopefully you don't

565
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: have to revisit them anymore. But you know, when you

566
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: write a memoir, you've got to dig deep down, and

567
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: you certainly did in this book with the help of Ian.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Dan for me when I when I

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Speaker 4: read it, you know, I always walked away from it saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, like you know, your your life is kind

571
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Speaker 4: of it's it's a little bit like a movie, you know,

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Speaker 4: like you're you know, you've got this kind of a

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Speaker 4: little bit not that I'm a hero, but you got

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Speaker 4: this kind of a little bit of a hero's journey,

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Speaker 4: and it's got all the elements of of you know,

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00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, your struggles becoming you know, your strength and

577
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: the end and just it's a real human story of

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00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: like you know, personal struggle, family struggle, career struggle.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got this.

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Speaker 4: Coach, you know, with dragon underwear laying under his desk

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Speaker 4: before games because.

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Speaker 8: Of his anxiety. You know, I don't know who would

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Speaker 8: play me.

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Speaker 4: I guess I've been told like maybe a Billie Bob

585
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Speaker 4: Thornton because of the cursing.

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Speaker 8: But I don't know who would play me.

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Speaker 2: We can work on that. Hopefully it's a happy ending

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Speaker 2: when that movie comes out, a happy ending. Great to

589
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Speaker 2: talk to you again, Thanks, thanks for sharing.

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Speaker 3: Thanks brother.

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Speaker 2: That's Dan Hurley. The book is called Never Stop Leadership

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Speaker 2: and What it Takes to Be Great.

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Major League Baseball since twenty fifteen, Rob Manfred back

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Speaker 2: on the program. We spent a lot of time yesterday

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Speaker 2: talking about abs, but I want to know how did

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Speaker 2: we land on robo umps. I don't like the phrase.

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Speaker 2: It conjures up something that I think needs to be explained.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Dan, it's interesting.

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Speaker 10: I was with a couple of my guys traveling yesterday

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Speaker 10: and I said exactly the same thing, and I've said

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Speaker 10: it repeatedly. I mean, the fact that the matter is

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Speaker 10: the system was designed in order to preserve kind of

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Speaker 10: the management role of the home plate umpire. It's completely

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Speaker 10: invisible to the fan, right, I mean in terms of

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Speaker 10: there's no device or anything on the field that they

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Speaker 10: can see, and all of the calls, including correcting an

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Speaker 10: erroneous ball strike call made by a human being from

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Speaker 10: the fans perspective, So you know, we do prefer the

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Speaker 10: term abs to robot lumps.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is an entertainment business. Are you going to

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Speaker 2: show anything on the jumbo tron? You know, like tennis

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Speaker 2: will show you if the ball was in or out?

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Speaker 2: What is baseball going to do?

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Speaker 5: We are going to have.

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Speaker 10: A rendering on the scoreboard so the fans can see it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 10: it is about the fan experience in the ballpark and

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Speaker 10: our experience in the minor leagues as well as the

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Speaker 10: testing we did in the spring and at the All

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Speaker 10: Star Game suggests that fans are really interested in seeing

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Speaker 10: that rendering.

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Speaker 2: How do the umpires feel about big Brother over their shoulder?

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Speaker 10: I would say the umpires have been generally cooperative on

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Speaker 10: the issue.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's always tough when you get corrected publicly,

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Speaker 10: and you know, I understand that, and you know it

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Speaker 10: is important to say although we've taken this step, you know,

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Speaker 10: our umpires do a phenomenal job on the vast, vast

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Speaker 10: majority of calls, and you know, I think over time

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Speaker 10: this may reduce the amount of complaint we have about

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Speaker 10: ball strike calls.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whenever I see something that we kind of dip

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Speaker 2: our toes in and then all of a sudden we're

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Speaker 2: in over our head, then this is going to be

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Speaker 2: the future of Major League Baseball. How long will it

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Speaker 2: take before this is the future?

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Speaker 5: You know, that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 10: I think that if you had talked just to the

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Speaker 10: owners about this topic a couple of years ago, they

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Speaker 10: would have been in favor of, you know, calling every pitch,

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Speaker 10: and we're certainly capable of doing that, calling every pitch

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Speaker 10: with a BS. I think what made us take the

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Speaker 10: intermediate step is we got a lot of input from players,

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Speaker 10: particularly players who had used it in the minor leagues,

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Speaker 10: that they preferred the challenge system, that you know, it

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Speaker 10: preserved a human element in the game at the major

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Speaker 10: league level. We also got a lot of input about

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Speaker 10: the significance of framing catchers and you know, individual players

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Speaker 10: who had the skill set that could be really impacted

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Speaker 10: by this. So, you know, we took that input to

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Speaker 10: heart and landed where we did. I think that we

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Speaker 10: will see after the twenty sixth season whether there's a

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Speaker 10: push to go.

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Speaker 5: The whole way.

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Speaker 2: Why did we allow is if it was part of

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Speaker 2: the charm of baseball that an umpire could have his

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Speaker 2: own strike zone.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, going back to you know, when I

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Speaker 10: first came to the Commissioner's office in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 10: Actually Sandy Alderson and I started the.

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Speaker 5: First the same day, and you know, one of the

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Speaker 5: first things Sandy.

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Speaker 10: Embarked on was an effort to get away from that

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Speaker 10: notion that individual umpires could have their own strike zone.

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Speaker 10: And we have dramatically increased the uniformity of the zone

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Speaker 10: that's called by our umpires by having a computer based

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Speaker 10: system like ABS that we've been using to evaluate umpires

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Speaker 10: for more than a decade.

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Speaker 5: You know, after each game when they miss a.

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Speaker 10: Call, they get that pitch, they have to log in

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Speaker 10: and look at it, and it has produced greater uniformity.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but it was a charm, you know, like that's

678
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Joe West strike zone, or that's Eric Gregg's strike zone

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Speaker 2: or Yeah.

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Speaker 10: The problem the problem is sometimes you know, you talk

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Speaker 10: about people who are just too charming, you know, I

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Speaker 10: think there were games where that charm became excessive. I mean,

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Speaker 10: I think Eric Gregg's game in the World Series is

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Speaker 10: probably an example of that.

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Speaker 2: He's the commissioner of Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred. Okay,

686
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Speaker 2: give me the to help me understand starting the tenth

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Speaker 2: inning with the runner at second base, which I do

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Speaker 2: to test. But where are we with that? Is that

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Speaker 2: here to stay? Commissioner?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, the most.

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Speaker 10: Important thing I can say to you is starting next week,

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Speaker 10: you're gonna have postseason baseball where you play it out

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Speaker 10: no matter what.

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Speaker 5: So your your month is stopping.

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Speaker 10: It's gonna be a great postseason, and we're gonna play

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Speaker 10: the games.

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Speaker 5: Out the yap again.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think that that was interesting.

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure that was at the top of my

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00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 10: priority list in terms of rule changes, but it came

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Speaker 10: with the COVID changes that we, you know, felt we

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00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 10: needed to do to get through the season.

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Speaker 5: The players really liked.

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Speaker 10: It, and I think the push to keep it was

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Speaker 10: based on, you know, player preference and avoidance of putting

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Speaker 10: you know, really valuable players in positions of asking them

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00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 10: to do something in extra innings that they didn't ordinarily

709
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 10: do you know, the outfield are pitching, and you know,

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Speaker 10: I do think it is consistent kind of with the

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00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 10: notion that the game has to be quicker to be

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Speaker 10: responsive to the audience that.

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Speaker 5: We're serving in today's world.

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Speaker 2: But these leagues are becoming highlight leagues. Adam Silver, the

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00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: NBA commissioner, said, we're kind of a highlight league. How

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Speaker 2: do you guard against that of just being a highlight

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Speaker 2: and not going the experience of going to a game

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Speaker 2: or watching a game.

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Speaker 10: I think we have a huge advantage in that effort,

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Speaker 10: and it is an effort for all sports. I mean,

721
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Speaker 10: you know how younger people consume things. We don't need

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Speaker 10: to revisit that. But I think that our in ballpark

723
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Speaker 10: experience largely due to the work of the individual teams

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Speaker 10: and what they do in the stadiums, the enner payment,

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Speaker 10: they provide, the food and beverage options, what they do

726
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Speaker 10: in between innings is so good that it does creating

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Speaker 10: people the desire to see the whole game, the whole product,

728
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Speaker 10: and the fact that we play every day also important

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Speaker 10: in that regard. So we have some assets there and

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Speaker 10: it's something that we're really focused on.

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Speaker 2: When all the owners get together. How often does the

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Speaker 2: topic of a salary cap come up.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting. It really is episodic.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's more frequent when you get closer to

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Speaker 10: a labor year like we are now. I think it's

736
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Speaker 10: natural for people to discuss, you know, options that are available.

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Speaker 10: I think what's really important for me to say is,

738
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Speaker 10: you know, we haven't decided what exactly our approach is

739
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Speaker 10: going to be. We have a whole other season to

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Speaker 10: get through, and you know, while obviously there's conversation, you know,

741
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Speaker 10: it remains to be seen what substance position the owners.

742
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Speaker 3: Are going to take.

743
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on it?

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Speaker 10: I think that it has been my view for a

745
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 10: really long time that you sell competition to your fans

746
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 10: and that we need to always be looking for things

747
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 10: that enhance the perception of the competition.

748
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Speaker 5: And I think.

749
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Speaker 10: One way to do that is reduce and regulate the

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Speaker 10: disparity and payrolls that you get.

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Speaker 2: I also want to make sure that you know the

752
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: minimum spend because some of these owners they may not

753
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: be spending as much as they need to.

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Speaker 5: How do I think that's I think that's one thing.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that's one thing that is widely misunderstood.

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 10: You know what people The name of the mechanism that

757
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 10: people use in the other three sports is a salary cap.

758
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 10: But a necessary element of that system is a minimum

759
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 10: as well as a cap, and I agree with you

760
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 10: that the minimum in some ways may be more important

761
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Speaker 10: than the cap.

762
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Speaker 2: The Cal Rawley story is a fun story, But how

763
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: does baseball's like your marketing arm. How do you approach

764
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: a story like that to let people know he's playing

765
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Speaker 2: in Seattle, he's hit sixty home runs, great nickname there.

766
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Speaker 2: How are you guys doing enough to promote some of

767
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Speaker 2: these other stories?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I think that it's really important with a

769
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 10: story like Cal for Major League Baseball, in addition to

770
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 10: the club, what the club is doing locally to promote

771
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Speaker 10: that player build his brand. You know, we have a

772
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Speaker 10: massive social media program now that is all player directed.

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Speaker 10: Almost everything we do on socialism is player You're going

774
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Speaker 10: to see a set of postseason advertise Heisman's that will

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00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 10: start airing.

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Speaker 5: Cal is prominently featured in that.

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Speaker 10: You know, honestly selecting him for the home run Derby

778
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 10: is another example. You know, you want a player like

779
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 10: that in a home run derby where he's going to

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Speaker 10: get a national audience. I think going forward, one of

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Speaker 10: the things that we are really focused on is more

782
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Speaker 10: presence on national platforms for regular season games, so that

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Speaker 10: people across the country see more of players like cal.

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Speaker 2: How important is gambling to Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 10: You know, I think it's something that is really misunderstood.

786
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 10: We have a you know, nice little business where we

787
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 10: sell data and we sell some sponsorships, but the overall

788
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 10: revenue impact of gambling for us is really not significant. Actually,

789
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 10: the biggest expenditure of time on the topic is working

790
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 10: with our partners, the sports books, to make sure that

791
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 10: gambling doesn't present an integrity an integrity issue for us

792
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 10: over the long home.

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00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to have a man cave at home?

794
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: You know?

795
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 10: I do have a room that my wife has is

796
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 10: a bedroom that she has reluctantly seated to me.

797
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: There is a lot of you know, a lot of

798
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: baseball stuff, a lot of golf stuff.

799
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Speaker 10: And some exercise equipment, So I guess that qualifies.

800
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Speaker 5: You know, you can't quite have a cave in an

801
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 5: apartment in New York.

802
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: You know.

803
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 10: If there's something you know, it's sort of an oxymorn, right, So.

804
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Speaker 2: You're not the commissioner in your own House.

805
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's certainly true. That's certainly true.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, Great to talk.

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Speaker 10: To you, Tant Really, you know, I know, I hope,

808
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,959
Speaker 10: because we'll be playing the games out, you'll be paying

809
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 10: attention to what's going to be a great postseason for us.

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00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 5: It's been a really exciting week this week trying to.

811
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Speaker 10: Figure out who exactly is going to be there, and

812
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 10: we're looking forward to some great series next week.

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00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, Commissioner.

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Speaker 5: All right, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's Rob Manfred