1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: What's up, guys, Chris Hayry with you on a brand 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: new episode of Chargers Weekly. Last week was all about 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: free agency, so this week we got to get back 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to the draft. Jordan Reid of the Draft Network is 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: my guest. We're gonna talk to cornerback position today, the 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: pecking order in the first round, tight end prospects, plus 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: who Jordan has going to the Chargers as of today 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: at number thirteen overall. It was a great conversation. So, 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: without further ado, here's Jordan Reid, one of the best 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: in this business. Jordan, I appreciate your time, man. How 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: you doing. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm in my car, but I made it. 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here with you. Chris. 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: Well, it's draft season, so it's a busy time. What's 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks been like with pro days 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: and just getting ready for the draft? 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: It m's gone crazy, you know, with so many things 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: so different this year, you know, with the lack of 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: information that a lot of area scouts have in the 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: media is lacking a lot of information as well. It's 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: been it's been a bit of a crapshoot so far. 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: But we'll start to see some things materialize. Now things 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: are starting to return to a bit of normalcy as well, 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: which is helping a lot of people right now. 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: So your top fifty, how difficult has it been to 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: put this top fifty together? In comparison to other seasons. 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: It's been a little different, just because you know, we 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: got a limited sample size as far as guys that 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: played this year, and there were some guys that opted 30 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: out this year. So there's been some players like the 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: Nay Sue, Jamar Chase, and Michael Parsons who we didn't 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: see at all last year, so you have to go 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: back and really study their twenty nineteen tape. But also 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: it feels like so long ago since we saw some 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: of those guys. But twenty twenty did help a lot. 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: It was really good to see the guys return to 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: the field. Kudos to college football to get a lot 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: of those games in and we actually had a national 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: championship this year, so which is a great thing for 40 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: all of us as evaluators. 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: So I want to base this conversation off your top fifty, Jordan, 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: and let's just start at the quarnerback position. So some 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: developments have happened with Caleb Farley, it looks like he 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: won't be available until maybe July and training camp with 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: back surgery. How does that affect the cornerback position in 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: the draft? Obviously you got certain j. C. Horn, who 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I know is a favorite of yours. How are you 48 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: ranking those dbs at the moment? 49 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: Well, the tough part from a media's standpoint is that 50 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: we always don't have the access that the NFL teams 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 2: do to the medicals of the background checks and things 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: of that nature. So that makes things a little bit 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: tougher on us. And then you know you're kind of 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: paying a little bit when you hear things about kayleb 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Farley with the back injury. This is the second back surgery. 56 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: Now we missed a couple games in the back half 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: of the twenty nineteen season, so that will be red 58 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: flag by some teams. There's going to be he might 59 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: not even be on some team's boards just because of 60 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: the medical situations. And you know, we can just go 61 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: based off of the talent from the media perspective, and 62 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: he was my first cornerback on the board. He is 63 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: my favorite this year. Jac Horn is right on his 64 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: heels right now. But both of those guys were running 65 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: to the finish line, it would't surprise me if jac 66 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: does end up passing him. So I don't think he's 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: going to go wrong with any three of these guys 68 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: at the top. And I know the Chargers definitely need 69 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: help at cornerback. That's going to be a position that 70 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: they're looking for as a primary need. But if they 71 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: were to select any three of those guys at the 72 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: thirteenth overall pick, I don't think they could go wrong 73 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: with any of those guys. 74 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned a few guys that you would jump on 75 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: the table for j C. Horn was one of them. 76 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: What makes him so special and how do you think 77 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: he would fit in a Brandon Staley type defense. 78 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, I'll just answer your first question. The things I 79 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: love the most about JC and just getting to know 80 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: him a little bit through the process. I actually talked 81 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: to him when he opted out of the season. He 82 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: had some family circumstances that were going on. I believe 83 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: his aunt passed away from COVID, so that was one 84 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: of the biggest reasons why he did opt out. So 85 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: hearing him just be open about that was a connection 86 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: that we were able to make. Of course, the NFL 87 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: blood lines that he has with his father, Joe Horn, 88 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: who was a very successful wide receiver for the New 89 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: Orleans Saints. And that's just promise me this. Whenever you 90 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: get drafted, just whip out that cell phone that he had. 91 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: And that made him smile a little bit. But it 92 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: was really good to see him go out and have 93 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: some success at the proto today. Him running a four 94 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: to three to nine and jumping forty three and a 95 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: half in the vertical and then eleven to one in 96 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: the broad was huge for his draft stock. But just 97 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: the bloodlines, I think the upside that he has is 98 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: just phenomenal. 99 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: And then you talk about the secondary. The Charges currently 100 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: have a pretty young secondary, Mike Davis on one side, 101 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Derwin James on the other. I look at Farley, Horn 102 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: and cir Tan, all of these guys I feel like 103 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: could be a good fit. How far is the gap 104 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: between Cirtain and then the other two Farley and Horn. 105 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Farley is probably gonna be I wouldn't 106 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: say a good distance away. He's probably going to be 107 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: the third guy now just because of the medical situation, 108 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: but he would be right. He would be right in 109 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: the mix if he was healthy, if he didn't have 110 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: any medical red flags or anything of that nature, but 111 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: certain similar to Horn a player that has fantastic lions. 112 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: His dad was a very successful cornerback for the Miami 113 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: Dolphins and also the Kansas City Chiefs. But he's that 114 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: big corner that you love to see, which was what 115 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: Brandon Staley had when he was with the La Rams 116 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: and you know Jalen Ramsey and some of these other 117 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: guys that he had with the Rams. That versatile type 118 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: of defense, and everything starts in the secondary. He runs 119 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: a lot of versatile coverages, which is something that Patrick 120 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: Chan did and we both know it's very difficult to 121 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: start for Nick Saban Donald Alabama, and that's exactly what 122 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: he did. He was the twenty twenty SEC Defensive Player 123 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: of the Year, the first time in a very long 124 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: time since that happened for a defensive back. So I 125 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: mean he has unlimited upside, just like Ja C. Horner. 126 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: Then also Farley as well. 127 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: You know, we were looking at north Westerns Pro Day 128 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: a week or two ago and obviously for Sean Slater 129 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: was the headliner, but Greg knew from the dB there 130 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: his rise in potentially the first round, maybe the second 131 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: what makes him part of that conversation, maybe he's in 132 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: that second tier behind those three. 133 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I was the fourth guy right now. 134 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: He's the fourth guy on my board right now, see before. 135 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: I think he's my twenty fourth overall prospect if I'm 136 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: not mistaken. So I'm a big fan of them. I 137 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: really noticed him this past season. I think his best 138 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: game of the year was against Ohio State in the 139 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Big Ten championship game and he only played in the 140 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: first half, but Justin Fields did not look his way 141 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: at all, So he had a lot of respect for him. 142 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: And he actually gave up the least amount of yards 143 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: of any cornerback that had twenty plus targets this year. 144 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: So there was a lot of teams that had a 145 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: lot of respect for him. The quickness, the awareness, and 146 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: just the savvy that he plays at the position. That's 147 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: something that stands out the most about Greg Newson the 148 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: second so. 149 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: We talked DB's offensive line has been a big topic 150 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: of conversation in LA and obviously the Chargers they took 151 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: care of the interior with Corey Linsley and Matt Filer 152 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: free agency, but we look at the tackle position and 153 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: the way the board may shake out. You're thirteen. Overall, 154 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: I can envision maybe four quarterbacks going before thirteen, and 155 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: that may push some talent to the Chargers. If we're 156 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: just talking offensive line, how would you assess this class. 157 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I almost think there could be three or four guys 158 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: at thirteen that the Chargers would jump at. 159 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: So for the Chargers, the more quarterbacks that go early, 160 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: the better, just because they're going to get a lot 161 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: of talent to get pushed down the board to them. 162 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: And we're talking about players like I don't think Panay 163 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: Suwell was going to be there. I'd be really surprised 164 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: if he was there at thirteen. But Christian Darrisou I 165 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: think would be a player that would be a fantastic fit. 166 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: He'd be a great fit right at the left tackle spot, 167 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: which is where they have a huge need at right now. 168 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: Rashaun Slater, of course, which we just mentioned. He can 169 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: slide inside or he can play outside. I think he 170 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: can play either or I grated him as a tackle. 171 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: He's my second favorite behind for nay Sewell right now. 172 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: I think he's very worthy of a top fifteen selection. 173 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: And then you're getting onto your laiter down the line, 174 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: guys like a Jalen Mayfield, Liam Eikenberg and then some 175 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: other players of that nature as well. So I think 176 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: this is a very deep offensive tackle class as a whole. 177 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: But the great thing for the Chargers is that there's 178 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: four quarterbacks of possibly even five, with Mac Jones now 179 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: entering to the equation as a potential top fifteen pick. 180 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: That's going to be great for the Chargers in this 181 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: entire offseason needs to be centered around just fixing everything 182 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: around Justin Herbert and just building it up to where 183 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: he can have the most protection and the most weapons possible. 184 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: But I think it will be very wise for them 185 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: to invest at the offensive tackle spot with that thirteenth 186 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: overall selection. 187 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: And then another guy, you said you jump on the 188 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: table for Elijah Vera Tucker if he had his pro 189 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: day on Wednesday, And this is a guy who showed 190 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: out at the guard position and then also got some 191 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: snaps at left tackle this year, So get that on tape. 192 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: How much do you think that will benefit him in 193 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: this process, being able to show out at both positions, 194 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: showing that versatility the NFL teams love. 195 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: Well. I will say this, I wish I know Brandon 196 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: Staley wishes he could just bring him on over. He 197 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 2: doesn't have to move very far if he comes over 198 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: to the Chargers. I think Vera Tucker would be a 199 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: fantastic addition at guard or tackle. I like him at both. 200 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: I graded him as my top interior offensive lineman just 201 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: because he has some of those things as far as 202 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: just the savvy at the position to awareness. I think 203 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: he always stays on balance and he's just so aware 204 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: at the position very head. He's something that he kept 205 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: mentioning over and over in the Zoomer interview with the 206 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: media a couple of days ago, where he feels as 207 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: if he can play offensive tackle. But there's a lot 208 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: of teams that feel as if he has a little 209 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: bit more upside along the interior just because of how 210 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: strong he isn't just how tough he isn't aware he 211 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: is at the position as well. 212 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: So you mentioned this should be all centered around Herbert, 213 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: whether it's protecting him or getting him weapons. Mike Williams, 214 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, Austin Eckler, You're bringing Jared Cook, but but 215 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: let's just say at thirteen overall, one of these wide 216 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: receivers is available. I doubt Kyle Pitts will be there 217 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: at thirteen. But is there a prospect who you would 218 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: say you gotta take them, You got to get another weapon, 219 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: You got to outscore Kansas City at thirteen overall that 220 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: would lead you to bypass maybe corner or offensive line. 221 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: Ayleen Wattle probably would be that guy, just because I 222 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: think he opens up your offense so much. And I 223 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: went back and forth with him and Jamar Chase as 224 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: my top overall receiver. But I like putting myselves in 225 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: the shoes of a defensive coordinator and thinking who would 226 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: I hate to game plan against the most, And I 227 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: think Jaylen Waddle is that type of guy just because 228 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: he has the elite speed, very competitive at the catch point, 229 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: and a lot of fast receivers are compared to Tyreek 230 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: Hill as far as it's playing style, and I think 231 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: Jaylen Waddle definitely is a guy that is worthy. Just 232 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: trying to paint a picture of what he could be 233 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 2: on the next level. 234 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at Mike Williams. You get the jump 235 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: all guy, you get the route runner, Keenan Allen, you 236 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: get Austin Eckler out of the back field, and then 237 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: the speech and Jalen Wattle could complete that wide receiving Corps. Hey, 238 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: if we are looking at tight end, and we know 239 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is far and away tight end one. The 240 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Chargers lose Hunter Henry, but they get Jared Cook for 241 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: the future. Are there some tight end prospects in maybe 242 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: let's say the second or third round pretty high on? 243 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple. They're both in the acc Tommy 244 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: Trimble from Notre Dame, he's one that's probably gonna go 245 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: I would say late second, early third round. Dynamic is 246 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: a pass catcher, but he's vicious as a blocker as well. 247 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: I think that's the area where he's going to contribute 248 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: the most. Early on. He's got to be eased into 249 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: the passing game a little bit, just because he doesn't 250 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: have a whole lot of experience at that at Notre Dame. 251 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: But you see the flashes and bunches. But on the 252 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: opposite end of the spectrum. Brevin Jordan is another guy 253 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: from Miami that I'm very excited about. He puts you 254 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: in the mindset of John Smith, which we just saw 255 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: get paid very handsomely from the New England Patriots. I 256 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: think he's a very similar player that's cut from a 257 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 2: similar cloth as him from a receiving standpoint. Now, he's 258 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: not going to give you as much as a blocker. 259 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: But if you're looking for somebody to revolutionize the passing 260 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: game and be an immediate contributor, I think Brevin Jordan 261 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: could be that. 262 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: George, you have a few favorite guys in this draft 263 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: that would maybe, if it was any other year, the 264 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: first round picks based on having tape and a little 265 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: bit more looks during this draft evaluation process, maybe a 266 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: guy who is kind of currently slated in the second 267 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: or third round that you think could be a first 268 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: round talent. 269 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: I would say a Sante Samuel Jr. The cornerback from 270 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: Florida State. He's a bit shorter, but he's very feisty. 271 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: I'm sure you have a lot of experience with Casey Hayward. 272 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: He's a player that reminds me a lot of him 273 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: when he was coming out a couple of years ago. 274 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 2: So I like a Sante Samuel junior. Now he's a 275 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: little bit smaller, he reminds you a little bit of 276 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: JayR Alexander when he was coming out of Louisville a 277 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: couple of years back. So he would be a player 278 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: that I definitely stand on the table. 279 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: For there you go, Hey, when you go back to 280 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: last year and you see obviously what Justin Herbert did 281 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: in Kenneth Murray sixteen starts for the Chargers, what was 282 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: your overall thoughts on the seasons that each of them 283 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: had based on, you know, your projections going into last 284 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: year's drafts. 285 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't. I'm not the only one that's going 286 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: to say this, but I was very surprised by Justin Herbert. 287 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: Nobody expected him to come in and have the success 288 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: that he did. Immediately. I thought he was going to 289 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: need a little bit of time to, you know, get 290 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: up to the speed of the game and let it 291 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: slow down a little bit. But I believe that it 292 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: was against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The sixty yard throw 293 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: he made was just unbelievable, and after that point, he 294 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 2: just played lights out after that and he was a 295 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: little bit of a misfit in the Oregon offense. And 296 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: I learned a lot from him as far as a 297 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: pre draft evaluation standpoint, and that he was much better 298 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: than the scheme that he played in at Oregon. And 299 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: now when they opened up the offense and let him 300 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: throw the ball much more vertically. I think he was 301 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: a perfect fit with Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, and 302 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: I think he's going to continue to get even better 303 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: now with Kennan Murray. Kenneth Murray, I was a big 304 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: fan of his film. You talk about a guy that 305 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: just flies around and just completely destroys people and just 306 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: runs all over the football field. I was a big 307 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: fan of Kenneth Murray coming out Fantastic story. One of 308 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: my favorite podium guests at the Combine a year ago. 309 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: He talked about saving the individual's life. I believe it 310 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: was so he has supreme character. Everything you hear about 311 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: him in the VA was that he was just a 312 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: fantastic leader on and off the field as well. So 313 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: I think the Chargers did the right thing trading up 314 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: for him and Jordan. 315 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, the Charges drafted Jerry Tillery 316 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and Nas adderly and obviously Na's coming out of a 317 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: small school, Tillery from Notre Dame. Where do you think 318 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: these guys can go? In year three for Nas it 319 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: was almost a red shirt year in his rookie year 320 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: because he was hurt. Jerry got more snaps and had 321 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: some pretty good flashes last year with Brandon Stanley taking over. 322 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Based on what you saw from those guys in college, 323 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: where do you think they could go in their NFL career. 324 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: A pivotal year for both of those guys in. 325 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: Year three, Yeah, a very big year for Tillary. And 326 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: he's that strong guy up the middle that you love 327 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: to see. Very long arms, very savvy, very strong at 328 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: the point of attack as well. I think he has 329 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: some developing to do as far as a pass rusher. 330 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: I think that was one of the biggest question marks 331 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: about him, as if he could just be more consistent 332 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: as a pass rusher, which is where he has to 333 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: figure it out the most. And I think he's going 334 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: to benefit a lot for being a coach Stale's defense. 335 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: But I think the biggest beneficiarated from Coach Staley's defense 336 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: is going to be nas Audley, just because we know 337 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: how well he works with defensive backs going back to 338 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: his days when he was with the Rams, a lot 339 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: of versative type of coverages, and he's just going to 340 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: be able to play much more freely. You want him 341 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: playing in that free safety role of just where he 342 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: can roam from sideline to sideline, so which is what 343 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: he was most known for when he was coming out 344 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: of Delaware a couple of years ago. So I think 345 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: it's going to be a huge beneficiator from the change 346 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: in defense. 347 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: And you know what, we have not seen Derwin, James 348 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: and nas Aderley on the field together because Derwin was 349 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: hurt last year and then obviously the year before, and 350 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: then Nas didn't really play his roocky years, so all 351 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: the talk was pairing these guys together. Year three, we 352 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: finally get to see. 353 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,359 Speaker 2: It absolutely, and I think they have such a complimentary 354 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: skill set. Derwin has that ultimate chess piece Swiss army 355 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: knife for where you can move around a whole bunch, 356 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: but you have to have that security blanket behind him, 357 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: which is where we just talked about it. Nasatay can 358 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: be that free safety over the top to where you 359 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: can move Derwin all over the place. You can blitz them. 360 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: But it's just a matter of him staying healthy. Everybody 361 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: knows that he's a special player. We saw it in 362 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: his rookie season. But if he's able to stay healthy, 363 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: I think he can return the form of what we saw. 364 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: All right, Jordan, last thing for you, Listen, we're in 365 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: the last week of March it's fun to speculate during 366 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: Draft season thirteen. Overall, there's a host of guys that 367 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the Chargers could kind of home in on if you 368 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: had to pick one, and I'm not going to hold 369 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: you to it because this could change tomorrow. Who would 370 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: it be? 371 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: So for me, I'm all about protecting the quarterback, and 372 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: if I had to choose one guy for the Charges 373 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: that's realistic, it would be Rashawn Slater. I just think 374 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: he's a can't miss prospect. I hate sand the word 375 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: can't miss, but just because there's no prospect that we 376 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: know immediately is going to have success. But I just 377 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: think with the offensive line and the state that it 378 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: is in right now, I think plugging Slater in at 379 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: guard tackle it doesn't really matter. I think he's kind of, 380 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: you know exactly what he's going to be at the 381 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: next level when this Northwestern film was so dominant and 382 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: you have to figure out a way to protect Justin Herbert, 383 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: So it would be a shining Slater. I think you'll 384 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: be a home run pick at the thirteenth overall selection. 385 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Love it. Jordan Reid the Draft Network, What do you 386 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: have going on over the next several weeks? Plug your podcast, 387 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: your articles, let people know where they can find you. 388 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can find my work on the draftnetwork 389 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: dot com. We have a lot of things going on 390 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: right now. We're releasing our positional rankings big boards every day. 391 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: We also have our mock draft machine as well, so 392 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: if you want to put your if you want to 393 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: put yourself in the shoes of Tom to LESCo, you 394 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: can mock draft all seven rounds. You can do trades 395 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: as well if you want to unlock our premium feature. 396 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: I believe it's thirty dollars, which is very affordable if 397 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: you have the means to do so, very addictive. I've 398 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: done hundreds of mock drafts over on the mock draft machine, 399 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: So if you want to put yourself in the shoes 400 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: of Tom Telesco, you're able to do that. Also, check 401 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: out the read Option podcast. That's riid Option podcast. I 402 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: have stuff that's going up every week. I'm interviewing prospects. 403 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 2: I interviewed Greg News from the second last week. I 404 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: have an interview with Michael Parson's coming up here very 405 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: soon as well, so I sit down and talk with 406 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: him prior to Penn States pro Day. Also, you can 407 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: find me on Twitter at Jordan Underscore Read. That's j 408 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: O R D the Underscore r E. 409 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: I D go find him Jordan Reed, thank you so much. 410 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: Man, no problem, thanks as always, Chris. 411 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's going to do it for us 412 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: so big. Thanks to Jordan Reed for joining me, and 413 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: of course thanks to you all for listening. Be sure 414 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: to download and subscribe to the Chargers Podcast Network wherever 415 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. Have a great weekend and until 416 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: next time, I'm Chris Hayrey.