Speaker 1: When you say confident, I definitely don't feel that word.
Speaker 1: Yeah majority of the time, actually maybe ever. But I'm
Speaker 1: constantly learning and constantly growing. Hey everyone, welcome back to
Speaker 1: On Purpose, the number one health and wellness podcast in
Speaker 1: the world. Thanks to each and every single one of
Speaker 1: you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow.
Speaker 1: And I am so excited to be talking to you today.
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Speaker 1: about tickets, VIP experiences, and more. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see you this year. I'm curious about people's stories. I'm
Speaker 1: curious about how we find healing. I'm curious about how
Speaker 1: creativity and self expression can sometimes be the best medicine
Speaker 1: for what we're going through in life. And I want
Speaker 1: you to hear from people of different backgrounds and different
Speaker 1: walks of life so that you can find similarities connection
Speaker 1: your story and their stories, so that it can feel
Speaker 1: like an emotional connection that we often miss and we
Speaker 1: often feel so lonely and isolated. But hopefully this podcast
Speaker 1: makes you feel heard. Hopefully it makes you feel seen,
Speaker 1: and hopefully it makes you feel understood. Today's guest is
Speaker 1: none other than Noah Siris, who grabbed the reins in
Speaker 1: her own life during some of the most difficult moments,
Speaker 1: took control of it, and told her story like never before.
Speaker 1: The Grammy Award nominated, multi platinum Nashville born and LA
Speaker 1: based singer and songwriter uncovered the kind of strength you
Speaker 1: only find within. Noah has stepped into herself on her
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two full length debut album, The Hardest Part.
Speaker 1: Emerging at the age of sixteen, she immediately captivated audiences
Speaker 1: with platinum singles Make Me Cry and Again The End
Speaker 1: of Everything EP yielded the triple platinum July and gold
Speaker 1: Lonely in between earning a Grammy Award in the category
Speaker 1: of Best New Artists. Noah has performed at Coachella twice,
Speaker 1: and Billboard named her among its twenty one Under twenty
Speaker 1: one for three straight years. Please welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Noah SyncE, Noah, Okay, that was quite at I always say,
Speaker 1: it's so funny, Like every time I introest someone, that
Speaker 1: is always the reaction. I'm like, I say the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well you did that, like you lived that,
Speaker 1: like you actually had to. You actually had to experience
Speaker 1: all of that and work for it and earn it
Speaker 1: and go through the ups and downs that come with
Speaker 1: doing all of that. So we all do right, everybody,
Speaker 1: it's hard, Like, whoa, that was Thanks for that intro,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me. It's nice. Like
Speaker 1: we were just saying nice to meet you in person. Yes,
Speaker 1: you got to meet over Zoom two years ago. We
Speaker 1: just talked about it briefly, but like you're so nice,
Speaker 1: Like it's so nice to meet you, and like this
Speaker 1: was not on camera, but you ran out so quick
Speaker 1: as soon as I was here to give me a hug.
Speaker 1: You're like so nice. It's great to be in a
Speaker 1: room with you actually finally, Well, the feelings very mutual.
Speaker 1: I was saying to you off camera as well that
Speaker 1: when my team and I were talking about having you
Speaker 1: on the show and we were so excited about that.
Speaker 1: I had such a wonderful experience with you a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago when you interviewed me on your podcast,
Speaker 1: even though was digitally, I just really like you were
Speaker 1: so great at talking about so many important, meaningful things
Speaker 1: to give me a voice, to give me a platform.
Speaker 1: I felt so humbled and grateful and same with you.
Speaker 1: Like meeting you three, I'm like, this is so warm,
Speaker 1: Like you allowed me to just give you a big hug,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know if I was
Speaker 1: going to wrank your makeup or your us. I felt terrible. No, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, not even at all. I don't even
Speaker 1: whatever about that. No. I I was so happy whenever
Speaker 1: I heard that your team had reached out for us
Speaker 1: to get in the room and talk. I know it
Speaker 1: took us a bit for us to schedule everything, but
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to finally be here with you. And also,
Speaker 1: like the last time we spoke, I feel like I
Speaker 1: was in a much darker, different place, and I'm doing
Speaker 1: so much better now, and so it's great to really
Speaker 1: be here and be present with you and get to
Speaker 1: really experience you and how great you are. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I want to congratulate you on that transformation
Speaker 1: and transition I think that to acknowledge you even just saying,
Speaker 1: and how much work you've had to do to get
Speaker 1: there to feel that way. And like I said to you,
Speaker 1: I had a positive experience with you even then, thank you.
Speaker 1: And so I'm very grateful to experience you, as you
Speaker 1: said in what you feel is the best version of
Speaker 1: yourself at the moment, which is so beautiful. And I
Speaker 1: loved a video I saw on your TikTok okay, which
Speaker 1: is you and your dad okay, And it was so
Speaker 1: beautiful and it was like I think you said something like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish these days never end. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: tell me about what we're so special about that? I mean,
Speaker 1: just watching it, it was just it was so joyful
Speaker 1: and it was so special. Honestly, that's a common feeling
Speaker 1: I get whenever I'm with him or with my family. Honestly,
Speaker 1: with life in general, I just wish the days were longer.
Speaker 1: You've caught me on like an emotional day. So if
Speaker 1: I cried during this podcast, guys, this is like a
Speaker 1: normal thing for me kind of But that's just a
Speaker 1: common feeling I get, especially when I'm home in Nashville.
Speaker 1: Just was wishing I had more time. But that trip
Speaker 1: was great. I hadn't seen my dad in a long time,
Speaker 1: and lately I've been able to Since that TikTok actually,
Speaker 1: which was posted last year, I think, or or earlier
Speaker 1: that really early this year, it had to have been,
Speaker 1: but it's an older TikTok, I've been able to see
Speaker 1: him much more frequently. But when I had been writing
Speaker 1: for this album actually the album's out on September sixteenth,
Speaker 1: and I had written about that specific feeling actually like
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and it's actually the title
Speaker 1: track of my record, Hardest Part. And I wrote about
Speaker 1: that with my dad because I just you know, growing up,
Speaker 1: he would be in Nashville. I would be in La
Speaker 1: or back and forth, and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: missing him. And I guess it's really no secret that
Speaker 1: my family had been going through hard times and within
Speaker 1: their marriage and things like that, and so there was
Speaker 1: a lot that was unsaid between us, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to write about it and my music and my music
Speaker 1: is really an outlet for me and my emotions. And
Speaker 1: I don't know. We had a really beautiful day a
Speaker 1: few years ago, which wasn't when I made that TikTok,
Speaker 1: but I wrote about it in my in my record
Speaker 1: just because I wish I could get more of those
Speaker 1: days and there's just not enough time. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no it was. It was beautiful to see and yeah,
Speaker 1: now I think I think you pinned it. That's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not very new. Yeah, yeah, but the yeah, the
Speaker 1: TikTok's old, but the songs about an even older story.
Speaker 1: But that, yeah, there is a trends are cool like
Speaker 1: that with TikTok. I'll see something on TikTok and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that actually really means something like we should do that.
Speaker 1: And my friend of Mari was like, you have to
Speaker 1: do this with your dad. I love that. It was
Speaker 1: so special. It was. It was really joyful and special
Speaker 1: to watch. And speaking about what you're talking about, you
Speaker 1: were saying, you've said that your goal is really the
Speaker 1: current goal is to like really heal your inner child,
Speaker 1: and I think that's such a beautiful goal to have
Speaker 1: first wall, and I think a lot of our community,
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners, have that same goal as well.
Speaker 1: I think we're all going through this experience of realizing
Speaker 1: that we've neglected that in a child. We haven't listened
Speaker 1: to that in a child, we haven't acknowledged it. How
Speaker 1: did you even discovered that that was a goal you had, Like,
Speaker 1: how did you even come to that point of acknowledging
Speaker 1: that that was something you wanted to pursue. Identifying my
Speaker 1: emotions and what was causing a lot of my problems
Speaker 1: and then making that connection to childhood was first of all,
Speaker 1: the start, and with that, I probably wouldn't have even
Speaker 1: been able to make that connection had it not been
Speaker 1: for my therapist and really really really trying with therapy,
Speaker 1: because even I feel like when we spoke, I had
Speaker 1: a relationship with my therapist that I would kind of
Speaker 1: try to reschedule our sessions and I wouldn't keep up
Speaker 1: with it and I would fall behind. It's actually a
Speaker 1: lot of work to keep up with it, because you know,
Speaker 1: some days you're going to feel really good, and for me,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me on those good days to want
Speaker 1: to keep up or maybe I don't want to start
Speaker 1: feeling sad feelings or bring anything up, but it's actually
Speaker 1: really important to keep working. And so once I identified that, like,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of sadness involved with my inner child,
Speaker 1: and I had a lot I needed to heal. But
Speaker 1: I really really owe that to therapy, and I really
Speaker 1: highly suggest just an outlet of being able to get
Speaker 1: your emotions out somewhere were regardless of what that outlet
Speaker 1: is for you. Yeah, I think that's beautifully said. And
Speaker 1: what was some of those emotions that you felt as
Speaker 1: a childhood that you experienced that became so important for
Speaker 1: you to heal? Like, what was some of those experiences
Speaker 1: that stayed with you? One major one was self love
Speaker 1: and body image love and body dysmorphia. I developed that
Speaker 1: at such a young age, and it's been really hard
Speaker 1: for me to reframe my mind to be able to
Speaker 1: even look at my younger self and love that version
Speaker 1: of me. And now that I begin to get there,
Speaker 1: I'm now there. And you know, for me, that was
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking that I couldn't I felt like I couldn't
Speaker 1: even really love a child myself as a child. I
Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't even loving that version of myself.
Speaker 1: And I could never imagine not loving a child, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I and so that was
Speaker 1: where I knew I needed to start. And now, of
Speaker 1: course I want to protect that version of myself so
Speaker 1: much because I just see this fragile child who is
Speaker 1: like every child in the world that just needs love
Speaker 1: and to be cared for. And of course I was.
Speaker 1: I have an amazing family, But there's just some things that,
Speaker 1: especially I mean in my in my personal experience with
Speaker 1: body image, that just some things people just can't see,
Speaker 1: that people just can't feel, because it's your body, your mind,
Speaker 1: your eyes, you know, and it's hard and it feels
Speaker 1: like you're alone in those times, and in your brain
Speaker 1: it's just you in there with that inner voice, and
Speaker 1: it gets really dark and it gets really lonely, especially
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly in my experience. Yeah, and how does
Speaker 1: it feel when everyone around you saying, oh, but you're beautiful?
Speaker 1: Are you this? So you're that like, walk us through
Speaker 1: a bit of that, because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people have that challenge. You're like, everyone's telling you you're great,
Speaker 1: but then there's still this voice inside of you that
Speaker 1: feels that way. What was some of those what's been
Speaker 1: some of the work behind the scenes that you've been
Speaker 1: doing in therapy and for yourself to kind of get
Speaker 1: to that place of self acceptance and self love. As
Speaker 1: you said earlier, that's very much still work in progress
Speaker 1: for me. And something my therapist and I talk about
Speaker 1: is how progress is kind of in You're going up,
Speaker 1: but it's circular emotions, and in a circle, you still
Speaker 1: go down, and then you go up and you go down.
Speaker 1: And so I'm going through that very much with self
Speaker 1: love and with my body image. My personal experience was
Speaker 1: online and in other places. I was bullied over the
Speaker 1: way I loved so terribly, like the word the words
Speaker 1: that were used are still so scaring to me where
Speaker 1: I'm almost embarrassed to bring it up or talk about it.
Speaker 1: Like it was very traumatizing for me. So it was
Speaker 1: very hard for me to believe what people in my
Speaker 1: life was saying. So it gave me actually a lot
Speaker 1: of trust issues that weren't there with people in my
Speaker 1: life because I felt as if everybody was lying to me,
Speaker 1: which is still actually something I work on now. Still
Speaker 1: it's my trust with people and going with things and
Speaker 1: just being okay with this is me, this is my body,
Speaker 1: this is who I am, this is what God gave me,
Speaker 1: this is this is who I am. There's nothing I
Speaker 1: can do to change it. And you know, while I'm here,
Speaker 1: I've got to accept it, and I'm really working hard
Speaker 1: to do so. You know, it gives me comfort if
Speaker 1: it gives anybody else comfort that it gives me comfort
Speaker 1: that you tell me other people feel that way, when
Speaker 1: other people are saying you are this, you are beautiful,
Speaker 1: you are that, because when you feel the opposite in
Speaker 1: your body and your mind and your soul, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're never going to hear it from anybody else. And
Speaker 1: it's the same with you know, loving yourself, and you
Speaker 1: know you have to truly love yourself and and and
Speaker 1: it's and it's hard to get there if you don't.
Speaker 1: It's so encouraging though, to hear that you went through
Speaker 1: this experience earlier on, yet you've still found a way
Speaker 1: of expressing how you feel in the public eye and
Speaker 1: still being open to people's opinions and their reaction to you.
Speaker 1: And that's takes incredible like confidence and self assurance because
Speaker 1: a lot of people would just say, or I'm done
Speaker 1: with this I'm just going to go and hide. Like
Speaker 1: I feel that way every day, Yeah, every day. So
Speaker 1: again it's like kind of a at all with myself,
Speaker 1: but I feel that way all the time. When you
Speaker 1: say confident, I definitely don't feel that word. Yeah majority
Speaker 1: of the time. Actually maybe ever. But I'm constantly learning
Speaker 1: and constantly growing. Yes, And those are the two best
Speaker 1: things like that to me, That's what I where I
Speaker 1: use that word. It was like people don't usually feel
Speaker 1: confident or they're not confident, but the way they act
Speaker 1: actually displays confidence. And I think that's what's so interesting
Speaker 1: about confidence is that no one whoever is confident feels it.
Speaker 1: It's just that people from the outside go, Wow, that
Speaker 1: takes a lot of guts. So like that still takes
Speaker 1: a lot of resilience. And that's what I'm noticing that,
Speaker 1: you know, to still be in the public eye but
Speaker 1: walk us through. You know, we're talking about the hardest part,
Speaker 1: which is you know, incredible to see you putting your challenges, stress,
Speaker 1: pain into music. When did music start to become that
Speaker 1: healing for you? And what was BEAUTIFU about the process
Speaker 1: behind this album, Like, what did you experience in the
Speaker 1: making of this album. Music has always been extremely healing,
Speaker 1: but especially with this album, the process of finishing it up.
Speaker 1: On the production side with Mike Crossey, he executive produced
Speaker 1: the entire album. We spent a couple months together just
Speaker 1: him and I and Stephen, his engineer, and a couple
Speaker 1: of days towards the end we'd have musicians in but
Speaker 1: just locked in focused on the music. It was the
Speaker 1: first time ever in my life or in my career,
Speaker 1: I should say that I felt really in touch with
Speaker 1: my own musician ship and myself as like an actual artist,
Speaker 1: not just a singer and a writer. It came at
Speaker 1: a time where I was about six months into my
Speaker 1: recovery process. I really needed some structure, something to focus on,
Speaker 1: something to put my energy towards, an outlet for my emotions.
Speaker 1: Even if I wasn't writing, I had written a few
Speaker 1: songs that actually just had to go onto the album,
Speaker 1: like my Side of the Bed is one of my
Speaker 1: favorites on the whole album, or I Burned Ella Down,
Speaker 1: which was the first single off of the record. Occasionally
Speaker 1: I would get to lyrically make that get that outlet
Speaker 1: for my emotions, but musically I really found a way
Speaker 1: to do so, and it really shows in the record,
Speaker 1: and it was that's what made it such a healing process.
Speaker 1: Was I feel like I really found myself sonically, lyrically,
Speaker 1: and emotionally and spiritually on this record. That's incredible. Why
Speaker 1: I love what you pointed out. Then it came out,
Speaker 1: it flowed naturally from you. But for everyone who's listening,
Speaker 1: I just want to capture this. You said that during
Speaker 1: your recovery process six months in you found structure, focus,
Speaker 1: and an outlet. And I think all of those things
Speaker 1: is such beautiful takeaways. Everyone who's listening may not be
Speaker 1: a musician or a writer or a singer, but the
Speaker 1: idea that we all need when we're going through our
Speaker 1: own recovery structure, a focus, and an outlet. And those
Speaker 1: are such practical ways that we can shift where we are.
Speaker 1: Walk us through some of that. What was your structure like, like,
Speaker 1: what were you what was your focus like? Were you
Speaker 1: thinking about something when you woke up in the morning
Speaker 1: when you were writing the song, like, what was your
Speaker 1: daily routine like? And what were your habits like at
Speaker 1: that time. So, at the time of recording the album,
Speaker 1: we had which I loved, the white board, We had
Speaker 1: a white board in the studio. Love white board, but
Speaker 1: it had our week out and every single week on Fridays,
Speaker 1: we'd sit and plan out what we were going to
Speaker 1: do for the next week. So, for example, one week
Speaker 1: would be vocals week, and we'd do each song like
Speaker 1: in a day, and then we'd also have like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this next week we're going to be recording bass, guitar strings, whatever.
Speaker 1: I'd go in after I'd have therapy in the morning,
Speaker 1: wake up, walk my dogs, do therapy, go to the studio,
Speaker 1: record whatever instruments we were doing that day, whatever vocals,
Speaker 1: and really get to experiment with this new elevated sound
Speaker 1: that I was making. And so really we just had
Speaker 1: like the strict schedule that like every day I was
Speaker 1: in at a certain time and by the end of
Speaker 1: the day we both had Mike has two kids, so
Speaker 1: bedtime's eight o'clock, he needs to leave at six. We
Speaker 1: just had our daily routine, which I think saved me
Speaker 1: so much, because without a daily routine, I'm veried the
Speaker 1: type that can easily just slip into my room and
Speaker 1: not turn the lights on or get out of bed
Speaker 1: for like weeks, and I've actually been having a bit
Speaker 1: of back and forth battle with kind of doing that
Speaker 1: now and just self isolation because I'm so used to
Speaker 1: doing so so really just having even if it was
Speaker 1: just you know, a studio routine where it was this
Speaker 1: day we're recording this, and this day we're tracking this,
Speaker 1: or this day we're zooming this person or they're coming
Speaker 1: in here. It really like saved me, and falling in
Speaker 1: love with music again saved me because I think it's
Speaker 1: also easy to alienate yourself or get alienated by things
Speaker 1: you love whenever, whenever you're doing it such a long time,
Speaker 1: or you know, things get tough and you know things
Speaker 1: don't go your way, and then they do go your
Speaker 1: way so suddenly. So I guess the point is just
Speaker 1: keep going and never give up, and you know, but
Speaker 1: it gets hard. Yeah, I love that point you made.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting how we can fall out of love
Speaker 1: with something that we're so deeply in love with. I
Speaker 1: can so relate to that in so many ways. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about that a bit, because I think that's just
Speaker 1: a fascinating idea. I think we think that when you're
Speaker 1: in love with a thing, an idea, a person, a place,
Speaker 1: a home, we expect that once you're in love, you
Speaker 1: just stay in love. And like you were saying earlier
Speaker 1: with the therapist, it's more like the other way. Let
Speaker 1: you fall in, you fall out, it changes, it grows.
Speaker 1: It moves you fall in you fall out, it changes,
Speaker 1: it grows. How have you learned to fall in love
Speaker 1: with music again? Structure was a part of that. Was
Speaker 1: there something else that helped you fall back in love
Speaker 1: with something that you'd fallen out of love with? Well,
Speaker 1: what made actually a better question is what made you
Speaker 1: fall out of love with music? And then what helped
Speaker 1: you fall back in love. I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: ever completely fell out of love. Yeah, I think after
Speaker 1: doing this since I was sixteen years old, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of times where I've really encouraged to keep going,
Speaker 1: but there's also a little discouragement at times. It's hard
Speaker 1: whenever there's a lot of people in your ears and
Speaker 1: people wanting you to be a certain way and do
Speaker 1: a certain thing. And so I think for a long
Speaker 1: time I didn't trust my own vision because I felt
Speaker 1: as if other people didn't either, and so I almost
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to give up. I didn't really
Speaker 1: have a vision at all. But being able to go
Speaker 1: and experiment and find who I am sonically and what
Speaker 1: that sounds like to me. And you know, there's so
Speaker 1: much of me on that track. I'm playing piano on
Speaker 1: that track, I'm playing sub I'm playing percussion, I'm playing
Speaker 1: They're just even if they were just little bits of sounds,
Speaker 1: like it was me and I was inside of it.
Speaker 1: All the instruments are live. I got to you know,
Speaker 1: for so long, piano was my favorite instrument for so long,
Speaker 1: but now it's pedal steel, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: just I've fallen in love with instruments again. And that
Speaker 1: ignited so much excitement for me, and it ignited so
Speaker 1: much excitement with the album campaign and performing and everything
Speaker 1: that comes with music and being able to experience what
Speaker 1: it's like once it's out of the studio, and so
Speaker 1: that really ignited a lot of excitement in me again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then again, like again, the writing process was also amazing.
Speaker 1: A lot of it was painful at the time, a
Speaker 1: lot of it was maybe in bits and pieces and
Speaker 1: different timelines of where I was personally, But I think
Speaker 1: that's also what makes it special. The album definitely is
Speaker 1: very dynamic with the sounds and the instruments sonically, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of emotions, a lot of conversations, but to
Speaker 1: your point, really quick about the falling in and out
Speaker 1: of love. Weirdly enough, Friday or tonight actually at nine pm,
Speaker 1: I have a song coming out with Ben Gibbert of
Speaker 1: Deathcap for Cutie and it's one of my favorite bands
Speaker 1: of all times. He's one of my favorite artists ever.
Speaker 1: And our song is about that feeling of it's not
Speaker 1: you genuinely, it's not me genuinely, We're just falling out
Speaker 1: of love. Like that's just we're not the same anymore.
Speaker 1: We're we've grown, we've been, we've we've we're drifting apart.
Speaker 1: And I think that really does happen with people. I know,
Speaker 1: both people from personal experience and from witnessing others have
Speaker 1: to be fully invested in one another and both have
Speaker 1: to want to light that fire again, and if just
Speaker 1: one of you don't, then it really it's nearly I
Speaker 1: think impossible to get that back. Yeah, And I couldn't agree.
Speaker 1: That's so, that's so beautifully said. I couldn't agree with
Speaker 1: you more that. I think that's what often is the
Speaker 1: truth that we don't want to accept, is that someone
Speaker 1: doesn't want to try again. No, we don't even want
Speaker 1: to accept that because it's so painful to accept where
Speaker 1: we're like, we want to try again, but that person
Speaker 1: doesn't want to try again, And and that's the hardest part.
Speaker 1: Like that, that's really tough because you're like, but I'm
Speaker 1: still in this. But then what I find interesting about
Speaker 1: what you just said there? Yeah, it's also that person
Speaker 1: realizing well, I'm still in this because I still think
Speaker 1: that person's the same as who they were. But now,
Speaker 1: using your words, you're like, we've just outgrown each other.
Speaker 1: Like do you think people change? Like? Do people change?
Speaker 1: I put out the CP right and I titled it
Speaker 1: people don't change because a lot of in my personal experience, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I set out to want to change, and I think
Speaker 1: I'm in the process of changing my life. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can exactly change who I am at
Speaker 1: the core. What do you What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: That's such a great question because I go back and forth.
Speaker 1: I don't and if somebody asked me, I wouldn't know,
Speaker 1: But I want to know your take on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say I do believe that transformation and change
Speaker 1: is possible, but it's not very probable. The probability is low,
Speaker 1: but possibility is high. And what I mean by that
Speaker 1: is everyone has the opportunity to change, but the path
Speaker 1: is long, hard, and often requires big amounts of tragedy, stress,
Speaker 1: and turmoil to even get someone to have that opportunity
Speaker 1: to take that path. And so I don't think I
Speaker 1: would ever write off I genuinely believe in real transformation
Speaker 1: and change, and I believe in the possibility of it.
Speaker 1: I think the probability and the expectation and the speed
Speaker 1: we want it to happen at is unlikely. I also
Speaker 1: believe that people don't change for people, and I think
Speaker 1: that's often when we say people will change, it's often us.
Speaker 1: The real full sentence is people will change for me, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's really what we're saying, and that
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I don't think someone changes
Speaker 1: for someone else. I think people change for themselves when
Speaker 1: they realize that if I don't change, then that's not
Speaker 1: good for me. But the probability of that happening is
Speaker 1: low until something massively painful or drastic happens in their life.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you on the core thing, Like
Speaker 1: I look at I went through a huge change externally
Speaker 1: in terms of it became a monk. I left my
Speaker 1: time as a monk, that I lived for three years
Speaker 1: in India, and that I lived the life I do today.
Speaker 1: But I'm still the same person I always was at
Speaker 1: the core, like what you just said, like at the court,
Speaker 1: I'm the same person. I was raised by my mom.
Speaker 1: She told me to be polite, I like people, I'm
Speaker 1: kind and these are things I learned from my mom
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and I'm still all those
Speaker 1: things and I've grown, but I'm still the same person
Speaker 1: at the core, And so I think that people can
Speaker 1: I've seen amazing changes in people. I've seen people who've
Speaker 1: gone from doing the worst things to doing the best things,
Speaker 1: of seeing people go from but the probability is not
Speaker 1: as high and it won't happen for a person. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if that helps answers your question. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean it's kind of exactly how I feel
Speaker 1: about it too. Yeah. No, I mean I agree, like,
Speaker 1: and you know from experience of seeing that, I mean,
Speaker 1: even in positive ways, you don't have to look at
Speaker 1: it as a negative way. Not losing yourself and who
Speaker 1: you are at the core like I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like I lost that for a long time, and in
Speaker 1: a positive way, I got it back. And again, that
Speaker 1: was a lot to do with who I am and
Speaker 1: who I was as a younger child. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: also felt that change and shifted myself at such a
Speaker 1: young age. I mean I still look at seventeen and
Speaker 1: eighteen years old as a child to me and very
Speaker 1: very young and lived on my own at seventeen and
Speaker 1: thought I had the whole thing figured out, And you know,
Speaker 1: very quickly after everything shifted very drastically, and you know,
Speaker 1: until I was maybe just a year ago, I started
Speaker 1: feeling like who I was when I put my very
Speaker 1: first single out. Maybe yeah, maybe even way way way before.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember when I truly lost or started
Speaker 1: disconnecting from who I really am, or started disliking or
Speaker 1: not loving who I really was. Yeah. Yeah, And actually
Speaker 1: I think you've just answered it. Like I think, ultimately,
Speaker 1: when we're both talking about change, we're talking about growth. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And it's like what you've been saying this whole interview
Speaker 1: so far, It's like you're like it's an everyday thing.
Speaker 1: It's a work in progress. I'm still working on it.
Speaker 1: Like that's what growth is. And I think when we
Speaker 1: look at growth in ourselves, we realize it's a daily process.
Speaker 1: But when we look at change in someone else, we
Speaker 1: want it to be drastic and tomorrow. Absolutely, it's different
Speaker 1: expectations we have of change, If that makes sense. That
Speaker 1: was a really good way to put it. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I know, if I need to change,
Speaker 1: it's going to take a few years, but I'm hoping
Speaker 1: this person changes tomorrow. Yeah, And that's where I think
Speaker 1: our expectations and change kind of get too mixed up.
Speaker 1: So change is possible, our expectation is a slightly messy.
Speaker 1: I think, what's a big change you think you've made
Speaker 1: in your life that is had a big change externally?
Speaker 1: Like internally, what is a change that you've made, even
Speaker 1: a simple thing that you feel has I mean, the
Speaker 1: most major change for me was was stopped taking xanax.
Speaker 1: That completely I was ruining my life. It was the
Speaker 1: scariest most alone I had ever felt, except it made
Speaker 1: me feel as if I had comfort whenever I was on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the substance as I was taking at which time that was,
Speaker 1: you know, the poison that I really had to get
Speaker 1: out of my life and make that change. Had I
Speaker 1: not done that, I touch on it on the album,
Speaker 1: but I'm not one hundred percent sure I would have
Speaker 1: been able to be sitting here having this conversation with you,
Speaker 1: because I didn't really want to be alive anymore. You know.
Speaker 1: When I did have this moment of clarity, even if
Speaker 1: it was for a second, I did not want to
Speaker 1: forget that. I had one thought that, like, maybe I
Speaker 1: could turn this around. I called who I needed to call,
Speaker 1: and I made that change, so absolutely without a doubt.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the first thing that comes to mind,
Speaker 1: because had I not done that, like I it saved
Speaker 1: my life getting off off of sant accent. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being so open and vulnerable
Speaker 1: with us. I can tell that obviously it's not an
Speaker 1: easy thing to talk about, especially when it's being a
Speaker 1: part of your life in that way. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, and even more so, just that's incredible, Like,
Speaker 1: that's amazing, And you know, I think there's so many
Speaker 1: people listening and watching who I'm sure they're family members,
Speaker 1: they've been in that position. You know. I think it's incredible,
Speaker 1: isn't it. How lonely you can be made to feel
Speaker 1: when actually it's a hugely collective experience, and I think
Speaker 1: that's going to help a lot of people. You're sharing
Speaker 1: that and that making that change in your life and
Speaker 1: and being with you today, I'm like, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's it's truly incredible. Thank you. Yeah. I think I
Speaker 1: think we need to acknowledge and celebrate that more because again,
Speaker 1: it takes so much strength. Thank you. Yeah, I just hope. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think my goal with all of us and being
Speaker 1: open about it is I do know that. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be an example for anybody. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to share my experience because I also had a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean, we did a podcast three
Speaker 1: years ago. I have I've had a mut music career
Speaker 1: since I was sixteen years old. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of people looking in since I was a babe, just
Speaker 1: due to the family I was born in, and with
Speaker 1: Instagram and social media and things like that interviews, I
Speaker 1: felt that a part of me was seen that you know,
Speaker 1: I allowed out there. But I really wanted an explanation
Speaker 1: for I think a lot of the things I had
Speaker 1: posted on my Instagram and I felt like there were
Speaker 1: a lot of things like, you know, friends reaching out,
Speaker 1: worried about me after I would post an Instagram story,
Speaker 1: and you know, just the look in my eyes was
Speaker 1: scary to a lot of people. And there's a few
Speaker 1: interviews in particularly when I just hear the way I
Speaker 1: was talking where I feel so ashamed and so guilty.
Speaker 1: And I think that's another thing, is like the shame
Speaker 1: and the guilt and the regret is inevitable when going
Speaker 1: through this. So for anyone listening to know that that's
Speaker 1: normal and that's something I experienced every single day, even
Speaker 1: though I know I probably shouldn't. It's it's just something
Speaker 1: you experience, arience, and it's it's something I'm going through
Speaker 1: and go through and sometimes it's better and sometimes it's worse,
Speaker 1: but it's just all part of the process. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: I think that also goes back to just learning to
Speaker 1: love yourself and look out for yourself and nurture yourself
Speaker 1: whenever you're being so hard on yourself or completely changing
Speaker 1: your life, you know, but I go hard on myself
Speaker 1: about before and what it was like two years ago
Speaker 1: or three years ago, and that's just something I'm processing
Speaker 1: and dealing with ye as of now. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that that's that's I love what you said that
Speaker 1: it's it's not about being an example. It's just encouraging
Speaker 1: to hear that that it's what you go through. I
Speaker 1: think it's so interesting that every day we feel hot
Speaker 1: and we feel cold, and we feel maybe sweaty, we
Speaker 1: feel really cold, we feel like we're freezing, Like we
Speaker 1: go through so many different body changes every day, and
Speaker 1: we would never judge ourselves for that. We wouldn't be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm the worst. I should have wanted longest sleeve T shirt,
Speaker 1: like you just go and put a sweater on or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I think it's the same with our emotions, Like
Speaker 1: we're experiencing so many emotions throughout the day, but we
Speaker 1: don't give ourselves the permission to say, oh, I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to feel cold and then get a sweater to feel warm,
Speaker 1: Like we don't do that with our emotions, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, and saying hey, I do feel a bit
Speaker 1: of shame, but then maybe I need to feel a
Speaker 1: bit of this to help, you know, even it out.
Speaker 1: And so I love that that's the process you're on
Speaker 1: and I agree with you. It's a daily thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's anyone who never just like there's no
Speaker 1: one in the world who never feels hot or cold.
Speaker 1: There's no one who doesn't feel sad or down, or
Speaker 1: happy or unhappy. Like we're all feeling all of them
Speaker 1: at different spectrums and different extremes. So learning our own
Speaker 1: patterns and learning our own thoughts is pretty much, you know,
Speaker 1: what we all need to focus on. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to pick something that this was a lyric from I
Speaker 1: Burned Down, burned La Down, And you said, and obviously
Speaker 1: it's about feeling like you have to burn la down
Speaker 1: to get someone you're dating's attention. But this is the
Speaker 1: lyric that I thought was really beautiful. I'm gonna I
Speaker 1: can't think, so please do not expect anything. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna read it out. I waste my breath on a prayer.
Speaker 1: You don't care. I was never part of the plan.
Speaker 1: You can't make a god of somebody who's not even
Speaker 1: half of half a decent man like that lyric is
Speaker 1: just it's a pretty cold lyric. Yeah yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: also just like a very raw emotion. And I thought
Speaker 1: it was it's it's cold, but it's poetical you put
Speaker 1: together so it's it's it's powerful, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people could relate to that. I think that
Speaker 1: I wanted to pick a few moments if you don't
Speaker 1: mind it, if that lyric you can't make a God
Speaker 1: of somebody? I find that such an interesting concept. I
Speaker 1: think so many of us are looking for God in
Speaker 1: the people we idolize, the people we follow, the sports teams,
Speaker 1: the musicians, the actors, the even parents and people in
Speaker 1: our lives. Like we're all looking for that God figure
Speaker 1: in so many ways. And you know, you rightly say
Speaker 1: in that lyric, you can't make a god of somebody, Like,
Speaker 1: where did that come from? I wanted to hear that
Speaker 1: idea because I thought that was really powerful concept. My
Speaker 1: poetic way of always just completely falling into people, and
Speaker 1: how much I completely rely and give myself to people.
Speaker 1: I think obviously I've been very open that it's been
Speaker 1: hard to rely on myself. In the past, I always
Speaker 1: looked in that for other in other people. At the time,
Speaker 1: especially of COVID and everybody's isolation, it was just me
Speaker 1: and that one other person, and so my entire life
Speaker 1: revolved around that one other person. Every single day, whether
Speaker 1: they were happy, they were sad, if they were comfortable uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: if they were mad or not mad, if they loved
Speaker 1: me or didn't love me, My entire life became revolved
Speaker 1: around somebody else. I've definitely done that in the past,
Speaker 1: and like you said, again, people with I like that
Speaker 1: compute with many different things. It's finding the right things
Speaker 1: to do that with. And with me, it was my
Speaker 1: album and worshiping music and actually finding myself and who
Speaker 1: I am and loving myself that that was where that
Speaker 1: lyric came from. It's just it felt like worship the
Speaker 1: way that I admired this person, and then you had
Speaker 1: to redirect that worship towards your music and your craft,
Speaker 1: and you absolutely And I think also I've been thinking
Speaker 1: a lot about my spirituality lately, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a huge different conversation for a whole other time. But
Speaker 1: you know, it just falling in love with other things,
Speaker 1: and the world's so interesting and the universe so interesting,
Speaker 1: and energy is such a powerful thing, and I just
Speaker 1: want to learn more about it and and God and
Speaker 1: what that is to me and other people and who
Speaker 1: and and just it's all so interesting and I just
Speaker 1: want to know. I want to learn more, I want
Speaker 1: to grow more again, Like I said, this all goes
Speaker 1: back to growing instead of using the word change, going,
Speaker 1: going to the word going growing, I think is good. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I can relate to a lot of that in
Speaker 1: the sense of, like I feel, I was always in
Speaker 1: love with love growing up, Yeah, me too. I fantasized
Speaker 1: that majorly same and and all of it was based
Speaker 1: on romantic songs and movies, and none of it was
Speaker 1: based on reality. It was all based on pop culture
Speaker 1: and media, and you know, and and I for a
Speaker 1: long time, I really pursued that type of love, and
Speaker 1: that was love that was based on idolizing someone else,
Speaker 1: worshiping someone else, wanting also to be idolized back, and
Speaker 1: recognizing that there was a part of me that was
Speaker 1: really seeking that importance through that other individual in the
Speaker 1: guise of loving them. And I think when I came
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that similarly to what you're saying, actually
Speaker 1: that you can't make a god of somebody, it's that
Speaker 1: you can't make a god of yourself either. You know that.
Speaker 1: That was a really beautiful reflection, but it's it's a
Speaker 1: painful one because we get so trained and wired to
Speaker 1: believe certain things. A what's a belief that you think
Speaker 1: you have now about yourself that is healthy and putting
Speaker 1: you in the right direction and helping you grow. You
Speaker 1: talked about some of the beliefs in the past that
Speaker 1: have helped you back. What's a belief now that you
Speaker 1: have about yourself that that is helping you move forward
Speaker 1: and in this positive direction. That I can just I
Speaker 1: can do what I set my mind to do, whether
Speaker 1: that's with recovery or other things. I used to just
Speaker 1: say I can't and or I won't or but I
Speaker 1: actually have shown to myself so many times what I
Speaker 1: can do. And I think that's something that like I
Speaker 1: repeat to myself every day. I also have you will
Speaker 1: be tat it on my wrists, which I kind of
Speaker 1: think is kind of the same thing, just that I
Speaker 1: will be what I set my mind to or what
Speaker 1: I set my goals to, or who I want to
Speaker 1: become or who I want to work on being. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of enough. Said I I had so much
Speaker 1: doubt in myself, and that's something that has held me
Speaker 1: back for so long. So I think knowing that and
Speaker 1: believing that and believing that truly and to my core
Speaker 1: is new for me and something I can truly, honestly
Speaker 1: say I feel about myself. I also have a hard time,
Speaker 1: you know, even when you say that, like I may
Speaker 1: back to the confidence thing. I sound like, I really
Speaker 1: believe in myself, but at the same time, I have
Speaker 1: battles where I actually have a hard time doing so
Speaker 1: or saying kind things about myself or you know, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of a hard battle. So that was kind
Speaker 1: of the first thing that came to mind. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful answer because I'm like, isn't that
Speaker 1: just such a great thought to repeat that if I
Speaker 1: wanted to change something, I can, like I can with
Speaker 1: this journey I'm going through therapy, this journey, I'm going
Speaker 1: through recovery. Like that. That's such an empowering thought. And
Speaker 1: I think it's so amazing how we quickly believe negative
Speaker 1: thoughts about ourselves, but we doubt the positive thoughts. And
Speaker 1: it's like, every day, if I told myself, which I
Speaker 1: have at times, like I'm not good enough, I'm not
Speaker 1: good enough, I'm not good enough, I don't ever question
Speaker 1: that thought. I'm so cool with accepting that that's just
Speaker 1: the truth and I don't think about whether I say
Speaker 1: every day or not. I just keep saying it, Whereas
Speaker 1: when I say I can, then we're like, oh wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: did I say that too early? Maybe I don't, maybe
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. And so I actually love that
Speaker 1: that was your answer, because I think that is the
Speaker 1: beginning of all changing growth, is saying I can do
Speaker 1: anything I put my mind to, and I have control
Speaker 1: over what I put my mind to. And so I
Speaker 1: actually think it's a it's a really great answer, and
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that everyone who's listening to that can start
Speaker 1: making that shift in their life. I had a mentor
Speaker 1: who would always repeat Napoleon Hill to me, and so
Speaker 1: he'd always say to me, you become what you think about,
Speaker 1: and he'd get me to repeat it. He'd be like,
Speaker 1: keep saying that you become what you think about. You
Speaker 1: become what you think about, and then he'd catch me
Speaker 1: off guard randomly when he'd see me and he'd look
Speaker 1: at me and be like, Jay, what are you thinking about?
Speaker 1: I'd be like nothing, and he goes, well, you become
Speaker 1: what you think about. See what you're gonna become? Nothing like?
Speaker 1: And he just play with that and then it was
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, interesting, what am I thinking about?
Speaker 1: What do I obsess over? Like what do I keep
Speaker 1: repeating in my mind? And it was just something as
Speaker 1: simple as that that started me to be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my purpose, I'm thinking about my service,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about how to have an impact in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking and then I just started to seeing my
Speaker 1: life change. And it is that simple in the beginning.
Speaker 1: And so I actually think that was a beautiful answer, sir.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. Noah, I could, honestly, and I
Speaker 1: hope I do get to have that conversation with you
Speaker 1: another time. As you said, there's a whole separate conversation
Speaker 1: around spirituality discovery. But we end every episode with a
Speaker 1: new segment that we started recently which I love, called
Speaker 1: the Many Sides to Us. And this is where you're
Speaker 1: using words or phrases to talk about yourself through different perspectives.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to ask you the questions and you
Speaker 1: can answer them. So the first one is what's a
Speaker 1: word or phrase that someone would say about you meeting
Speaker 1: you for the first time? Now today, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think this is hard. Can I give you one yes,
Speaker 1: time about you today for the first time in person,
Speaker 1: and I the word that came to my mind was
Speaker 1: sincere okay, really sincere okay. You are so sincere and
Speaker 1: genuine in your initial words to me and what we
Speaker 1: were talking about when you first came in, and there
Speaker 1: was just so much sincerity and genuineness there. So okay,
Speaker 1: that's how I think you. Okay, all right, thank you.
Speaker 1: So I did that for you, so thank you. That's good.
Speaker 1: I'm hopefully not going to have a hard time. I
Speaker 1: know the rest will be busy. What is a word
Speaker 1: that you use that someone would describe you that knows
Speaker 1: you well, or word or a phrase that someone who
Speaker 1: knows you really deeply would use to describe you. Sensitive? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sensitive in good and bad ways. I think sensitive can
Speaker 1: be taken as like a bad thing, but it's actually
Speaker 1: I'm a very sensitive person. And I think the person
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of would be my mom if you were
Speaker 1: to and I think that was my mom telling me
Speaker 1: that I'm very sensitive. I love though that what you've
Speaker 1: been doing today, You've done it twice now. It's like
Speaker 1: you're always looking at how each quality and value can
Speaker 1: actually be negative but also positive, Like you know it
Speaker 1: can be healthy too. Yeah, I think often like you said, like,
Speaker 1: I'll initially all sensitive. Yeah, people are so sensitive, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well no, no, no, being sensitive can actually
Speaker 1: be one of the healthiest things. I love that it
Speaker 1: gives you a lot of compassion towards other people as well.
Speaker 1: It's not like how you said, like, oh, you're so sensitive,
Speaker 1: you know. Actually I'll take it the wrong way sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what do you mean? So if I think maybe
Speaker 1: if she had my mom had said that on a
Speaker 1: different day, I probably want to take it all right.
Speaker 1: Question number three, what's a word or phrase you'd use
Speaker 1: to describe yourself sensitive. I'm very loving towards other people
Speaker 1: and other things, and like so towards myself. But I
Speaker 1: mean so I've whenever people we actually I have talked
Speaker 1: about this in therapy. I have a hard time talking
Speaker 1: about my it's very evident talking about myself personally. But
Speaker 1: whenever I do talk about things about myself, I think
Speaker 1: it's the way that I give to other people. So
Speaker 1: I'm extremely loving and giving person. Thank you for having
Speaker 1: the cards to comment. Yeah, No, it's yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great answer, all right. Last
Speaker 1: two questions, what's a word or phrase you'd use to
Speaker 1: describe the hardest part of the album. Honest is such
Speaker 1: a vague answer, but I mean it's just extremely honest
Speaker 1: and open, and it touches on so many parts of
Speaker 1: my life, like I said, in so many different situations.
Speaker 1: I also use the word personal a lot too, just
Speaker 1: because literally the first song on my album is called Noah,
Speaker 1: and so I think in a way I was nervous
Speaker 1: out first, like how are these how are people going
Speaker 1: to hear this and make it relate to themselves? But
Speaker 1: I think honestly, by being so honest is where people
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, I actually do feel that too,
Speaker 1: because if you're not, then other people aren't going to
Speaker 1: be related. Is I think every feeling. Sometimes sometimes my
Speaker 1: thoughts feel like I'm the only person that's ever had
Speaker 1: this thought in the world, and then I like go
Speaker 1: on Instagram or TikTok and I see people talking about
Speaker 1: their feelings and they're like, I feel that feeling, you know.
Speaker 1: So probably that I would say very a vague word,
Speaker 1: but not it may be a common word, but the
Speaker 1: description that you just gave of, like, yeah, that feeling
Speaker 1: of connectivity I think is really powerful, Like I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's why it is important to talk about
Speaker 1: how we feel and what we're going through, so we
Speaker 1: realize we're not the only ones, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people suffer in silence and
Speaker 1: suffering a place because they do feel isolated and alone
Speaker 1: because then they don't check with someone because they didn't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable too. Yeah, you know, I have a very minor,
Speaker 1: totally minor surgery tomorrow. And it's like I told a
Speaker 1: very minor, totally not complex or deeper in any way,
Speaker 1: but the reason I'm bringing it up is even something.
Speaker 1: So I know when I told my friends about it,
Speaker 1: I found out twenty five percent of my friends had
Speaker 1: all male friends had all had that surgery, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's a hernia, And I was like, why
Speaker 1: didn't you ever tell me? Like right? And that's a
Speaker 1: really basic example, but it's the same thought process of
Speaker 1: like how when when I first heard I had a hernie,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm too young to have that. Why
Speaker 1: do I have one? And then when I start doing
Speaker 1: to my friends, so many of my friends under thirty
Speaker 1: had one, and I was like, oh, why didn't I
Speaker 1: know about this? Right? So It's something as simple as that,
Speaker 1: so I think the honesty it connected. And fifteen final question,
Speaker 1: what's a word or phrase that you're trying to embody? Again,
Speaker 1: extremely cliche because it's a title on my album, but
Speaker 1: I also have a tattooed on my body is stands still.
Speaker 1: It's a phrase my dad said since I was really young,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I forgot to use it for
Speaker 1: quite a long time. But when you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do, just stand still. It's okay to take your
Speaker 1: time and take them moment and reevaluate everything that has
Speaker 1: saved me so many times in my life and a
Speaker 1: lot recently, and so to practice for me, it's really
Speaker 1: hard for me to stay still and stand still and
Speaker 1: be still, and so to practice that more. I really
Speaker 1: live by those words, and I really look up to
Speaker 1: my dad and admire him and his strength so much.
Speaker 1: So that's such a powerful, powerful answer. I love that.
Speaker 1: Advice to everyone's been listening and watching, I want you
Speaker 1: to go stream the hardest part right now. It's available
Speaker 1: as we're speaking. Go and listen to it, Go and
Speaker 1: share it, Go and feel with it, Go and experience
Speaker 1: the honesty that Noah's putting out there. I hope it's
Speaker 1: extremely healing and connecting for you, and also a please
Speaker 1: feel free to share. I think there were so many
Speaker 1: incredible things that Noah shared today. Please tag us both
Speaker 1: on Instagram, on Twitter, on TikTok. If you're sharing a
Speaker 1: reflection from this podcast, please tag us both because I
Speaker 1: love seeing how you put into practice what guest share
Speaker 1: and I'm sure no I would love to see that too,
Speaker 1: So please please please do that. And no I hope
Speaker 1: this is the first of many times I get to
Speaker 1: sit down with you. I do too, but I just
Speaker 1: I want you to know that everything you shared today
Speaker 1: is going to stay with me for a long time.
Speaker 1: And there are so many parts that I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to really listen to and rewatch and I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we got to talk because I even
Speaker 1: was having anxiety and had been, I mean, with my
Speaker 1: grandmother just passing, had been having so many different conflicting
Speaker 1: feelings and like even today Nick was like, oh, well
Speaker 1: maybe this is just talking with Jay and you know,
Speaker 1: talking about your feelings and stuff is really gonna help you.
Speaker 1: When I was so this has been amazing. I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful we got to be in a room together, and
Speaker 1: finally me. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope you feel you got to share everything you
Speaker 1: want to know I feel, I feel great. Thank you
Speaker 1: good that makes me happy, amazing. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank thanks, no