1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from house 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: to blame a truck reporting and I'm fired out and 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: we're technically past October and that spate of spooky episodes 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: that comes along with it. But the subject of this episode, 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Johann Conrad Dipple, could really fit right in with that batch. 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: And honestly, I have to confess here he probably would 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: have been with that batch if this book that I 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: had ordered for two dollars and fifty nine cents had 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: come in time. A little peek into our world. I 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: know we're always um, I don't want to stay complaining. 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: We're always telling telling people, I guess especially people who 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: write in about books, that we don't really have a 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: research budget. Yeah, I'm on the waiting list for this 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: book at the library, waiting for this cheap book to 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: come from Amazon whatever it is. Yeah. So we're kind 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: of at the mercy of what's available of time, just 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: like every time. Yeah, so if we we take a 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: while to do your request sometimes this is why we're 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: just we're just waiting to be moved up on the 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: waiting list. But back to our story, Dipple story really 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: straddles a line between spooky and science, and I think 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: that's why it makes a good non Halloween episode two. 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we've really come to love these science episodes 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: that we've done, and uh, and this really fits in 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, there are a lot of fun they're 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: popular with listeners, and I don't know, they're just a 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: little outside of our our normal repertoire almost But this 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: guy really combines a lot more than your typical scientific pursuit. 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: He does in his life's work, we find a mix 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: of theology, science, alchemy, and medicine. And if that's not 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: interesting enough, there are also the rumors that are involved 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: in this tale. Rumors of mysterious experiments involving the reanimation 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: of of we don't know what something, maybe people, maybe animals, 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: and also rumors of body snatching. So if you didn't 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: already guess it from that description, there's a link here, 37 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: or maybe just the supposition of a link to Dr Frankenstein, 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: the character from Mary Shelley's famous novel. And that's probably 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the main reason that Dipple is a frequent request from 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: our listeners. Maybe a lot of them believed that he 41 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: was the inspiration for that character. And of course, if 42 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: this is starting to sound kind of familiar, we already 43 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: did an episode last year called Who Is the Real Frankenstein? 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: And it was about Giovanni Alfini. But the character of 45 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Frankenstein is kind of like the one of Indiana Jones. 46 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: There are several different historical figures that people believe could 47 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: have been possible inspirations, and we named a few of 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: them in that Who Was the Real Frankenstein podcast. Maybe 49 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: one reason why we didn't explore that possibility more, though, 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: is because there are some legit sounding reasons cited as 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: to why Dipple couldn't have been the Frankenstein inspiration, which 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: we're of course going to mention later on. But the 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: potential Frankenstein connection, while it may have been the reason 54 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: we heard about Dipple, that's not the only reason that 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: we became interested in learning more about him. He was 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: also just this rascally controversial figure, and you know how 57 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: we love those. He also created a concoction that seems 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: fit for some sci fi horror story. But according to 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: an article in medical history by E. Einslee and W. A. 60 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: Campbell was really included in pharmaceutical books as a sort 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: of universal medicine until the early nineteenth century, and this 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: concoction was called Dipple's oil, and Dipple thought it to 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: be the elixir of life. Okay. So one of the 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: reasons why it's so hard to know whether Dipple truly 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: could have been the inspiration for Frankenstein is that a 66 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: lot of the details of his life are pretty sketchy. 67 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: According to Radu Florescu in his book In Search of Frankenstein, 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: this is partly because a lot of primary sources related 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: to Dipple's life, including his doctoral dissertation, were destroyed during 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: the Allied bombings of Darmstadt and Geithen, which is where 71 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: he studied, so all these papers about his life are 72 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: no longer with us. Unfortunately, Florescu's own biographical sketch of 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: Dipple is one that we refer to a lot, and 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: he put it together through studying more than seventy works 75 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: which Dipple composed, including one that contained his autobiography, as 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: well as Dipple biographies by other writers, including Carl Voss. 77 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: So one thing that most accounts of Dipple's life really 78 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: agree on is how it began. He was born August tenth, 79 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: six seventy three, at and this is probably one of 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: the biggest reasons that people make the Mary Shelley Frankenstein connection. 81 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: It's because he was born at a place called Frankenstein 82 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: Castle about a mile south of Darmstadt. So I'd say 83 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: that's a pretty big connection. So today this castle is 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: basically a ruin that overlooks the old vauld but it 85 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: was once the home of the baron's Frankenstein or Frankenstein 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: maybe more accurate. Yeah, and they were a German feudal family, 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: but they had vacated the place by the time Dipple 88 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: was born, having sold the place in sixteen sixty two. 89 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: By the time Dipple was born in the castle, however, 90 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: had become a hospital for people who had been injured 91 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: in the war with France, and his parents, Anna eleanoramunch 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: Meyer and a Lutheran minister named Johann Philip Dipple were 93 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: both refugees there. According to that medical history article we mentioned, 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: Dipple's father wanted him to become a Lutheran minister too. 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: He would have been the fifth generation and his family 96 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: to do so. But Florescue notes that Dipple was always 97 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of a strange kid. For one thing, he was 98 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: kind of a loner. The other kids gave him the 99 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: nickname the Owl for his tendencies to keep to himself 100 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: and also to read by candle light in one of 101 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: the castle towers at night, which sounds pretty brave for 102 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: a young kid. He was also considered kind of odd 103 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: for the way he regarded himself. He was really smart, 104 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: and that seems pretty evident by pretty much all accounts. 105 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Einsley and Campbell's article says that a Dipple's secondary school, 106 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Darmstadt Gymnauseum, his name was first on the role of 107 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: distinguished old Boys. But Floresci says that Dipple considered himself 108 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: quote a superior individual animated by a quote higher spirit 109 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: who could figure out the mysteries of the universe. So 110 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: he basically thought that his brilliance was limitless. Something that 111 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: makes sense of his later achievements in life. Yeah, and 112 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: something that shows us why maybe he wouldn't have been 113 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: content with following his father's footsteps as far as profession 114 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: is concerned. Exactly so. Dipple enrolled at the University of 115 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: Keithan in six ninety one. He was about seventeen years 116 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: old and he was planning on studying theology. Still, he 117 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: registered under a different name though from Dipple, he registered 118 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: with the name Frankensteina, which was another reason that the 119 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: name is kind of stuck with him throughout the years, 120 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: and he earned a reputation at school for being extremely intelligent, 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: but also for being really vocal about debating theological and 122 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: scientific points with his professors. He graduated in three years 123 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: and apparently really shocked some people with his dissertation, which 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: was entitled on Nothing and as such was considered to 125 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: be a confession of skepticism, like a classic college kid move. Though, 126 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: doesn't it you write your dissertation quote on Nothing. It 127 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: wasn't too long after that that Dipple adopted the Lutheran 128 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Pietus point of view, and at that time the Lutheran 129 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Church was divided into Orthodox and Piotus contingents, and the 130 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: Orthodox camp conformed to the Lutheran Creeds in liturgy, and 131 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: the Pietists basically believed that the quote good life was 132 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: more important than sticking to a creed. So if that 133 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: separation makes sense to you, guys. According to Ainsley and 134 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: Campbell's article, the Switcher route not have been that big 135 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: of a surprise either, since Dipple quote began to express 136 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: doubts about the Catechism at age nine. But Florescue asserts 137 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: that Dipple's tendency to change his stance seems to have 138 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: had more to do with him wanting to win a 139 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: debate than any sort of real desire to find a 140 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: fundamental truth, which I think is sort of interesting. It's 141 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: like he it was more about the argument itself than 142 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: what he was arguated. Regardless of this wayverin stance, though 143 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: he wrote extensively on theology, and those works puzzled a 144 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: lot of people because he did kind of go back 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: and forth. Einsley and Campbell cite one professor who was 146 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: really confused by Dipple's theological work. He said, quote, a 147 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: man must have the gift of divination to be able 148 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: to deduce a regular and consistent system of doctrine from 149 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: the various productions of this incoherent and unintelligible writer who 150 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: was a chemist into the bargain, and whose brain seems 151 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: to have been heated to a high degree of fermentation 152 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: by the fire of the laboratory. I don't know about you, Deblina, 153 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: but this makes the editor in me just squirm, I 154 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: imagining having to edit this guy. But if you look 155 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: up works about Dipple. Now, a lot of what's out 156 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: there focuses on his theological career, but even after earning 157 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: a degree in theology, he didn't really stick to what 158 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: he seemed to know best to lecturing about just theology. 159 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: He was somebody who, for whatever reason, had a lot 160 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: of confidence in lecturing about things that he knew very little, 161 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: if anything about. After graduating, he didn't get a teaching 162 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: position at the University of Geese, and maybe because he 163 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: had sort of rubbed folks the wrong way with all 164 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: of that switcheru debating, he did so. He moved on 165 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: to the Imperial University of Strasbourg in sixteen ninety four, where, 166 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: according to Bob Curran's book Man Made Monsters, he started 167 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: lecturing for a short time on alchemy and cairomancy, which 168 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: is fortune telling, until his license to teach there was revoked. 169 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: That already gives you a pretty good sense of this 170 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: guy's diversity. If he's not just talking about theology, he's 171 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: talking about fortune telling. Yeah, and at this point, I 172 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: mean and alchemy too. And at this point he hadn't 173 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: really even studied alchemy that much. And you kind of 174 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: indicated that when you said that he was always lecturing 175 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: about things that he really didn't know that much about. 176 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: He just sort of felt confident enough that he could 177 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: teach other people even though he didn't have expertise in 178 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: these areas himself. But Florescu also notes that Dipple didn't 179 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: necessarily need to find an official classroom to teach these things. 180 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: While in Strasbourg, he became known for lecturing in all 181 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: kinds of spots, salons, taverns, churches, or even just lecturing 182 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: out in the street. And he would lecture in all 183 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: kinds of things too, though astrology and chiromancy were probably 184 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: the most popular. According to Einslee and Campbell's article, a 185 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: Dipple also practiced palmistry during this time. I don't know, 186 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: to me, an open air lecture on palmistry sounds like 187 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: it would be pretty entertained. I would go to that 188 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: lunch time, going to get lunch, and you'd see this 189 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: guy lecturing and stopped for a little while. But some 190 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: students were making him out to sound like kind of 191 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: a really weird guy who maybe nobody was paying much 192 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: attention to. But some students really looked up to him. 193 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, remember, he was brilliant. He was and 194 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: he captivated people. But Florescu also points out that chronicles 195 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: from the time allude to some kind of quote scandalous 196 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: behavior on Dipple's part, and after living where he was 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, he was forced to flee, 198 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: and exactly why he had to do that is a 199 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: bit unclear. Florescu says that he was implicated in some 200 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: body snatching incidents in a local cemetery. Einsley and Campbell 201 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: say that it's because Dipple killed an opponent in a duel, 202 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: so very different explanations. They're both good reasons to get 203 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: out of town. Regardless of why he had to leave, 204 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: Dipple did have to go and lay low for a 205 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: little while. According to Florescue, he returned home for this period, 206 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: and home at that time was near Frankenstein Castle with 207 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: his parents. So this is about the time when Dipple 208 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: began to really seriously study and practiced alchemy, and he 209 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: got into it when a Lutheran minister from geese And 210 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: gave him a couple of books on alchemy, and these 211 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: books included Raymond Lily's Experiments and Gillam Pastel's Veil raised 212 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: on the mysteries of the beginning of the world He 213 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: basically pushed these books on Dipple because he supposedly believed 214 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: that Dipple would be able to understand them better than 215 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: anyone else, so again kind of a nod to his 216 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: supposed intellect brilliant, And after reading them, Dipple apparently decided 217 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: that the whole making gold thing that everybody was so 218 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: interested in at the time really didn't sound that tough 219 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: after all. I mean, you guys should go listen to 220 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: our episode from last October on alchemy if you want 221 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: to see really how people how much people were into this, right, 222 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: he decided he wanted to give it a shot, and 223 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: he was so confident that he would succeed that he 224 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: bought an estate completely on credit to set up his 225 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: lab there. It cost fifty thou guilders, but of course 226 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: he didn't anticipate paying the problem would be a problem, 227 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: because of course he would be able to make gold 228 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: and pay in that. So in about or seventeen oh one, 229 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: sometime in there, he claimed that he had succeeded in 230 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: finding the secret formula for gold, but the crucible containing 231 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: that broke into the fire and was tragically lost, and 232 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: according to legend, alchemists weren't supposed to use the goal 233 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: that they created for personal gain. So you know this 234 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: idea of buying a place on on credit and then 235 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: you'd pay it all back with the gold you can 236 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: make not a not legit for for real alchemists to 237 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: be planning on doing that. So maybe it was a 238 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: little bit of bad luss, a little curse like situation 239 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: issuan going on there. But there are different accounts of 240 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: what happened with Dipple after this. According to that medical 241 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: history article that we were talking about, Dipple had to 242 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: flee again to escape angry creditors. Flores scou however, says 243 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: that he tried unsuccessfully to recreate this gold formula that 244 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: he lost for three years after that, and then started wandering. 245 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: I have to wonder, okay, if you'd made the gold formula, 246 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: didn't he write it down well? And why it would take? 247 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: What is it? It's longer, It takes longer to try 248 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: to recreate it, doesn't it? Then when he made it 249 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: the first time, it sounds like he was just messing 250 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: around this stuff the whole time, A pinch of this, 251 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: a little of that little philosopher's stone. Either way, Dipple 252 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: began to wander through other parts of Germany and through 253 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: foreign lands too. For a while. He settled in Berlin, 254 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: which was at the time the capital of the Kingdom 255 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: of Prussia, and while there he was under the protection 256 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: of Count August von Wittgenstein, who I think we've mentioned. 257 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: The Wittgenstein family and other episode pop up from time 258 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to time. The count convinced King Frederick the First to 259 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: set Dipple up with a mansion and a nice laboratory, 260 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's there that he started experiments of a very 261 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: different nature. He set out to discover an elixir that 262 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: would cure a variety of conditions, kind of like a 263 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: universal medicine. So it sounds like something that we would 264 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: all kind of want, right, something to cure whatever ails. 265 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: You only listen to how he created it. So in 266 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: order to create this wonder product of his, he started 267 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: experimenting with distilling animal parts, namely blood first and then bones, 268 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: which he would boil to extract the fatty matter. And 269 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: according to Florescue quote, the product was conducted through iron 270 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: condensing tubes and fed into receivers where the crude bone 271 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: oil collected. That doesn't sound very good. That product, according 272 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: to eins and Campbell's smelled and tasted pretty gross, as 273 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: you would imagine, but it was used in medical practice 274 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: to cure a number of ailments, and for a while 275 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: it had a good reputation as a medicine. Until the 276 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: end of the eighteenth century. It was named Dipples oil 277 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: or Dipples animal oil, and it was said to stimulate 278 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: the nervous system if you took it internally. But I 279 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: think people used to rub it on the outside of 280 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: their bodies as well to consume it. I don't know 281 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: if they didn't want to, but that you didn't necessarily 282 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: have to. I guess it depended on what you were 283 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: trying to treat. I think I read that you could 284 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: use it to treat spasms, maybe rub it on the 285 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: miracle product. I mean, I guess it works for just 286 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: about anything. Although Dipple's animal oil does not make it 287 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: sound appealing either. It doesn't. Maybe just Dipple's oil would 288 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: have been a better name. And you know, I've seen 289 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: it both ways. I've seen it as Dipples oil and 290 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: Dipples animal oil. But I think I would choose to 291 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: partake of the Dipple's oil before the animal oil, for sure. 292 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: But through this work and boiling animal parts, Fluorescue also 293 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: points out the Dipple made a very different kind of 294 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: discovery by boiling animal parts and mixing an iron and 295 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: some various other ingredients. He apparently ended up with a 296 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: chemical called potassium ferricyanide, and when that chemical was mixed 297 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: with air, it became brilliant blue color that became known 298 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: as Prussian blue or Berlin blue. For some reason, that 299 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: discovery wasn't made public until about seventy four, but that 300 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: blue dye was widely used by artists. You'll still see 301 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: paint colors today. It's a color still, Prussian blue. Right, 302 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: And just a side note here, since we've done some 303 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: poison podcasts recently, another German chemist took Dipple's chemical and 304 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: diluted it with sulfuric acid, which created hydrocyanic or prussic acid, 305 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: which Fluorescu calls one of the most potent poisons. So 306 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: all of this here, you know, we have this miracle drug. 307 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: And you'd think that Dipples oil and and Prussian blue, 308 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: the color, the paint, the pigment would have been enough 309 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: to earned Dipple some measure of wealth and respect, but 310 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: he kept getting implicated in various scandals. Lurscue asserts that 311 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: this was a result of other scientists and alchemists being 312 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: jealous of him and thus making him the subject of 313 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: their intrigue. But regardless of the reason, Dipple had to 314 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: stay on the move pretty much most of his life, 315 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: according again to Florescue, another similarity to Shelley's Frankenstein, who, 316 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: as you remember from the book, is pretty much always 317 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: on the move. Um, although that's partly because there's a 318 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: there's a monster, and that's true. He had motivation, he 319 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: had good reason to keep out, keep going, but um. Finally, 320 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: Dipple headed to Holland after Berlin, where he studied medicine 321 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: in Leiden and earned his degree by seventeen eleven or so, 322 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: and he was said by some to be a pretty 323 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: good physician, and according to Einslee and Campbell, he even 324 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: attempted to set up a medical practice outside of Amsterdam, 325 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: but again had to flee, this time to Denmark in 326 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: seventeen fourteen. And again the reason why he had to 327 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: get out of town and so fast seems to be unknown, 328 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: although Floriscu does point out that after earning his medical degree, 329 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: Dipple was doing experiments with animals, taking them apart too, 330 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: just trying to find out how it all fits together, 331 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: and apparently at least one of Dipple's biographers suggests that 332 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: he was trying to understand the process that quote and 333 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: Gender's life itself another similarity to Shelley's character if it 334 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: is true. Well, and this reminded me a little bit 335 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: too of of the blood Work episode, trying to find 336 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: trying to find the root of the soul. I mean, 337 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty similar to to trying to find the process 338 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: that in Gender's life itself. These experiments going around are 339 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: going on kind of at the same time to find 340 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: what seems like unfindable things. So maybe these crazy experiments 341 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: that Dipple was doing had something to do with his flight. 342 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: But after going to Denmark, Dipple again got caught up 343 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: in a series of political intrigues that resulted in him 344 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: getting thrown into prison for seven years on the Danish 345 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: island of Bornholme. He was sentenced to life, but was 346 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: released at the request of the Queen of Denmark in 347 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: seventeen twenty six, who wanted him to be her physician. 348 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: So that shows that he must have had a pretty 349 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: good medical reputation at the time. I'd say, if you're 350 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: thinking get this prisoner out of jail, I need him 351 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: to be my doctor, and I'm the Queen of Denmark. 352 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: A year later, though, he ended up moving to Sweden, 353 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: where he worked as a physician in the court of 354 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: the Swedish King. So really a dramatic rise in fortunes 355 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: for him. He continued to encounter controversy there though as well, 356 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: and eventually returned home to Germany in seventeen twenty nine 357 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: after being gone for some twenty five years. And what 358 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: I've read about him, Fluoresco in his book talks a 359 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: lot about how Dipple was sort of drawn to home 360 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: his whole life. He he sort of kept in touch 361 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: with his family, his siblings there, and he he wanted 362 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: to come home. So it makes you question even more 363 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: of these things that made him move from place to 364 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: place what it was and drawn to one place in particular. Yeah, 365 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: he returned to his family home near Castle Frankenstein, the 366 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: place where he was born, and Florescu says that it's 367 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: there at home that Dipple started working on some kind 368 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: of quote grand design, and citing a document that most 369 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: scholars ignore, this author says that Dipple did claim to 370 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: finally have achieved something of this sort, some sort of 371 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: chemical secret and then he apparently offered it to the 372 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: local landowner near his family home in exchange for ownership 373 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: of Castle Frankenstein and its domain. So he's sort of 374 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: focused on this place where he was born in He 375 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: wanted it in exchange for a grand design. The deal 376 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: didn't work though, no it fell through, and it's still 377 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: not clear what the secret he was offering for the 378 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: castle was, but Florescu thinks it has something to do 379 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: with the mysterious pamphlet that Dipple had printed and se 380 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: inteen thirty three, a year after the deal fell through. 381 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: In it, he claimed that he discovered a formula for 382 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: prolonging his own life until eighteen o one, at which 383 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: point he would have been one hundred and thirty five 384 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: years old. Apparently this came at a time when his 385 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: enemies were spreading rumors that he was going to die, 386 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: so maybe he sort of came up with us to 387 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: counter that. Unfortunately, though for Dipple, he ended up dying 388 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: just a year after making that prophecy. On April seventeen 389 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: thirty four, he was found in the palace of his 390 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: old friend, the Count von Wittgenstein, where he had a laboratory, 391 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: and Dipple's body was cold and rigid when it was found, 392 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: but he was also foaming at the mouth and the 393 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: entire right side of his face was blue. And the 394 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: medical history article that we've mentioned earlier says that the 395 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: cause of death was probably a stroke, but of course, 396 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: especially for a guy like this, people suggested that it 397 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: could have also been poison still other people, and this 398 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: has got to be the best option on the table. 399 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: I think that he had been killed by the devil 400 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: for not keeping some sort of contract. That last theory 401 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: is definitely fitting for a spooky tale like Shelley's. But 402 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: there are several reasons why people think that Dipple probably 403 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: wasn't actually the inspiration for Frankenstein. For one thing, many 404 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: of the traits that people attribute to him may actually 405 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: post date Mary Shelley's novel, so these are things that 406 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: were retroactively put onto Dipple, maybe even after the movies 407 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: were made. Uh. There's also some doubt about how much 408 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: Shelley could have known about Dipple's life. She definitely traveled 409 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: in the area where Castle Frankenstein is, but who knows 410 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: if she actually heard about his story. And finally, of course, 411 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: we just don't really know that much about Dipple's life. 412 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: Of course, Shelley might not have necessarily been at the 413 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: same disadvantage that modern scholars are, since she you would 414 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: have been long before the World War Two bombings in 415 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: the places where all his records were. That's true. But 416 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: another thing I think of here is that even if 417 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: she had been interested in the things he was doing 418 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: and wanted to find out more about him, as you 419 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I think there were a lot of people 420 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: who were doing these sorts of experiments at the time 421 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: popular right, So she could have just been inspired by 422 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: that fact rather than Dipple's specific story. But it's interesting 423 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: to speculate about, and I'm glad to know a little 424 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: bit more about him. So, you know, good request from 425 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: listeners here, even though we had to go to some 426 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: lengths to find out more about them. Well, I am 427 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: guessing from the reception of the Spooky episodes this October 428 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: people won't mind too much that this one is coming 429 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: out in November. Keep the spooking it's rolling, you know. Yeah, 430 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: And uh, I think to that end, we have some 431 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: spooky listener mail to share to. So we have a 432 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: letter here from listener Kristen, and she says I was 433 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: delighted to see your episode on the Salem Which Trials 434 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: and listen to it immediately. My interest in the topic 435 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: stems from living in Salem for about six years. Because 436 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: my husband is a Salem native, we now returned regularly 437 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: to visit my in laws. Actually we were just there 438 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: over the past weekend, and yes, the Halloween spectacle was 439 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: in full swing. Anyway, I want to let you know 440 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: that if you or your listeners visit Salem, there are 441 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: more historical attractions related to the trials. The Peabody Essex Museum, 442 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: a major art and history museum, has within its holdings 443 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: documents from the trials and artifacts that were the personal 444 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: effects of those involved. These are at the Phillips Library 445 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: and we're previously on display, though currently the library is 446 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: closed to the public. Renovations, however, currently open and I 447 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: know because I was just there is a display an 448 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: old town hall that has some historical information regarding to trials. 449 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: There are some gems that the Salemites and former Salemites 450 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: are proud to show to visitors and ones that's badly 451 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: get bypassed by visitors without an insider connection. Oh and 452 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: unless you want a spectacle, don't visit in October. It 453 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: is way too crazy for a more serious visit, and 454 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: there are many additional historic sites to visit relating maritime history, architecture, 455 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: and literary history. So thanks for those travel tips, Kristen. 456 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: That's what they told me when I visited the Sale 457 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: and Visitors Center got our maritime attraction. It's good to know. 458 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: And then we have a fun note from listener Tristan, 459 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: who says, Tristan here from the Shields Brothers. We are 460 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: a rock band and we were on the Voice on 461 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: NBC on Team Celo. So a few months back, we 462 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: were listening to your Jack the Ripper podcast and you 463 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: inspired us to write a song about him. It's called 464 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: Saucy Jack So and he sent us a little YouTube 465 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: link to it. We should pull that up, and he's 466 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: on Team Celo Atlanta represent There you go. So if 467 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: you have any podcast inspiration, story is or any travel 468 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: tips like listener Kristen that you want to share with us, 469 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: we welcome those. Send them our way at History podcast 470 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: at house to works dot com. We're also on Twitter 471 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: at Myston History, and we're on Facebook or other Frankenstein's. 472 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we could just we've done two now so 473 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: I see a series in the works. You never know 474 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: there are some other Frankenstein's that we could do if 475 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: we can find the books. The ultimate goal. Do we 476 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: have a good article on Frankenstein. We do well. We 477 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: have one on Frankenstein's Monster. I think Robert Lamb wrote 478 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: it into article called how Frankenstein's Monster Works. You can 479 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: find it by visiting our homepage at www dot how 480 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com for more on this and thousands 481 00:27:43,160 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: of other topics. Is it how stuff works dot com 482 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: ind