WEBVTT - Ep. 118: David Crockett - The Blunder (Part 3)

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<v Speaker 1>Well, who are you going to vote for?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're going to vote for somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>represent you in the Tennessee Legislature, are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for some fancy, you know, well dressed person or

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to vote for somebody that's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like you. It's going to be able to spin yarns

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<v Speaker 2>and tell stories and make you laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>On this episode, we're naveled deep into the life of

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<v Speaker 3>America's first celebrity backwoodsman, David Crockett. To one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty years after his death, people would call Davy. We've

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<v Speaker 3>learned there were four Crocketts known by America, the bear hunter,

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<v Speaker 3>the soldier, the politician, and the martyr at the Alamo.

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<v Speaker 3>We ended the last episode with Crockett leaving the military,

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<v Speaker 3>but today things get dicey. Crockett became America's first famous,

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<v Speaker 3>working class populist politician. We'll see his charm and wit

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<v Speaker 3>on the campaign stump, family tragedy, and business failures, and

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<v Speaker 3>see the pragmatic genius of the American Frontier flow through

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<v Speaker 3>his life. But ultimately we'll learn about Crockett's blunder. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>think for a minute that Crockett's shoe in for the

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<v Speaker 3>Bear Grease Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think he'll make it after this episode?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm certain you'll have a strong leaning, and I really

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<v Speaker 3>doubt that you're gonna want to miss this one.

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<v Speaker 5>Who else can you think of? Who's a famous politician

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<v Speaker 5>who came literally from the laboring class. It's Lincoln who

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<v Speaker 5>shares so much with David Crockett.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Klay Nukem, and this is the Bear

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<v Speaker 3>Grease Podcast where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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<v Speaker 3>for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the

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<v Speaker 3>story glory of Americans who lived their lives close to

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<v Speaker 3>the land, presented by FHF gear, American made, purpose built

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<v Speaker 3>hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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<v Speaker 3>as the place as we explore.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrity at its core, in many ways is the fans

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<v Speaker 2>interpretation of that individual.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Impossible for anyone to live up to another person's interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of who we are, and so we will never know

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<v Speaker 2>some of what motivated David Crockett. You know, also we

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<v Speaker 2>change throughout our lives. You know, we can't take a

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<v Speaker 2>human being and put them in one This person is

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<v Speaker 2>this because we evolve, we grow, we learn, we fail,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think he was a great example

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<v Speaker 2>of somebody who did that, who just tried to figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But but he was, you know, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just he was just a fascinating, fine, interesting person in

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<v Speaker 2>a time where there wasn't you know, people were just

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<v Speaker 2>struggling to survive.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like he would have been hard not to

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<v Speaker 3>like if you actually met him.

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<v Speaker 4>Crockett biographer R.

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Williams believes that Davy was America's first real celebrity,

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<v Speaker 3>and despite our exploration of his life, we'll never know

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<v Speaker 3>his full motivations.

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<v Speaker 4>Western culture has obsessed.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the fleeting fame of mortal men with the veracity

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<v Speaker 3>of an october squirrel horden Acrens. But I think the

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<v Speaker 3>pace has even increased in modern times. I'm certain since

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<v Speaker 3>our hunter gathered days as a species, we've looked for

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<v Speaker 3>leaders and warlords to look up to later in history, kings, chiefs, authors, artists.

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<v Speaker 3>But the global celebrity is a relatively new thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's gaining steam today with social media and television. Celebrities

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<v Speaker 3>are a dime a dozen, from sports players, race car drivers, actors, musicians,

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<v Speaker 3>to coondog breeders and world class trotliners.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Celebrities are everywhere, but Crockett was surely America's first. He

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<v Speaker 3>had widespread name recognition in America and Europe and his lifetime.

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<v Speaker 3>People made money off his name, image, and likeness. They

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<v Speaker 3>wrote books and even had a Broadway play about him

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<v Speaker 3>in his lifetime. In my mind, his interaction with his

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<v Speaker 3>own fame characterizes him as a true celebrity. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's notable that the foundation of his identity and

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<v Speaker 3>fame was that he was a bear hunter. Don't forget that.

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<v Speaker 3>On the last episode, we talked about Crockett's childhood, first marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>and his time in the Creek War. I'd argue this

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<v Speaker 3>was the most formative part of his life. Crockett married

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<v Speaker 3>Polly Finley in eighteen oh six he returned from the war,

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<v Speaker 3>and in eighteen fourteen he wrote, after his arrival home,

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<v Speaker 3>though I was only a rough sort of backwoodsman, they

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<v Speaker 3>seemed mighty glad to see me. He was talking about

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<v Speaker 3>his family, however little the quality folks might suppose it for,

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<v Speaker 3>I do reckon. We love as hard in the backwood

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<v Speaker 3>country as any people in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good. He loved Polly.

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<v Speaker 3>But in eighteen fifteen tragedy struck, and we see our

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<v Speaker 3>man expressing perhaps the most iconic expression of humanity, grief.

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<v Speaker 3>So Crockett returns back to Polly in eighteen fourteen. Then

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<v Speaker 3>tragedy strikes when she dies. Yeah, soon after he returned.

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<v Speaker 5>And this was a truly traumatic loss. He had children,

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<v Speaker 5>he didn't like farming. His business affairs were not in

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<v Speaker 5>good order. He had lost his wife, beautiful, young Irish,

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<v Speaker 5>she married in her teens, he was only twenty. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's on the frontier.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's Crockett's account of Polly's death in his own words

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<v Speaker 3>from his autobiography. But in this time I met with

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<v Speaker 3>the hardest trial whichever falls to the lot of men, death,

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<v Speaker 3>that cruel leveler of all distinctions, to whom the prayers

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<v Speaker 3>and tears of husbands and even the helpless infancy are addressed.

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<v Speaker 3>In vain entered my humble cottage and tore from my

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<v Speaker 3>children an affectionate mother and from me a tender, loving wife.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the scene long gone by, and one which

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<v Speaker 3>you would suppose I had almost forgotten. Yet when I

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<v Speaker 3>turned my memory back on it, it seems as but

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<v Speaker 3>the work of yesterday. It was the doing of the Almighty,

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<v Speaker 3>whose ways are always right, though we sometimes think they

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<v Speaker 3>fall heavy on us, and as painful as is even

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<v Speaker 3>Yet at the remembrance of her sufferings and the loss

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<v Speaker 3>sustained by my little children and myself, yet I have

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<v Speaker 3>no wish to lift up the voice of complaint. I

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<v Speaker 3>was left with three children. The two oldest were sons,

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<v Speaker 3>the youngest a daughter, and at that time a mere infant.

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<v Speaker 3>It appeared to me at that moment that my situation

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<v Speaker 3>was the worst in the world. Death the cruel leveler

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<v Speaker 3>of all distinctions. Polly was twenty six years old. Crockett

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<v Speaker 3>wore his heart on his sleeve. Perhaps the most mysterious

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<v Speaker 3>phenomenon of human life is that it ends. Death must

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<v Speaker 3>be one of the most written about, feared, and explored

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<v Speaker 3>occurrences in existence. The reaction of the living to death

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<v Speaker 3>is something that interests us all. I suspect the curiosity

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<v Speaker 3>is instinctual, and we're hoping to learn how to respond

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<v Speaker 3>to what we know is coming, this inevitable crisis that

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<v Speaker 3>no man's mind, money, good looks, or wit can circumnavigate death.

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<v Speaker 3>Human death is really a wild concept, almost unbelievable. In death,

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<v Speaker 3>we see the greatest picture of the dual nature of

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<v Speaker 3>human life. It's both spiritual and physical. The essence of

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<v Speaker 3>a human departs their physical body in a peculiar, untraceable moment,

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<v Speaker 3>characterized more by what is gone than by what remains.

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<v Speaker 3>The lifeless corpse, once occupied by the energy of life

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<v Speaker 3>and governed by the inexplicable architecture that built the body,

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<v Speaker 3>now begins to be disassembled back into its individual physical elements,

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<v Speaker 3>redistributing the matter of the human body back into the

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<v Speaker 3>chemical cycles of the earth. Death is wild. This small

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<v Speaker 3>window into Crockett's response to death is endearing, but also

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<v Speaker 3>shows us his pragmatism, which people on the frontier had

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<v Speaker 3>to have. So here's what he did very quickly.

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<v Speaker 5>So he had to do something, and he knew there

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<v Speaker 5>was a widow not too far away, Elizabeth Patton, who

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<v Speaker 5>also had kids. He was very young. Also, he goes

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<v Speaker 5>to see her and they actually get married. She's a

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<v Speaker 5>very different kind of person from him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very.

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<v Speaker 5>Practical, hard working, realistic. They say opposite to tract, and

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<v Speaker 5>I guess they do something.

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<v Speaker 3>It almost sounds like, kind of like a transactional thing too,

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<v Speaker 3>And from the mouth of Crockett in his autobiography, he

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<v Speaker 3>just basically says, my wife died soon enough, I realized

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<v Speaker 3>I needed a new wife, my kids needed a new mother.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was a widow down the road, and we

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<v Speaker 3>met and she was agreeable, and we got married. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just like, you know, I'm a man, you're

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<v Speaker 3>a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Crockett said he was as sly about it as a

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<v Speaker 3>fox when he is going to rob a h house

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<v Speaker 3>when he courted Elizabeth, and it worked. David and Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>were married at her home. During the ceremony, a hog

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<v Speaker 3>named Hook pushed open the door and walked inside, and

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<v Speaker 3>everyone laughed, and Crockett said, old Hook, from now on,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do the grunting around here.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good.

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<v Speaker 3>In some ways, romance is a novelty of the modern

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<v Speaker 3>prosperous world. The original idea of marriage was primarily one

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<v Speaker 3>of practicality. This could be why more than fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of marriages in America end in divorce. Could it be

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<v Speaker 3>that using the tickuli feelings of cheap emotion as our

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<v Speaker 3>primary guide on marriage are leading us astray. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>suggesting that a marriage should be absent of love, just

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<v Speaker 3>a question. In Crockett's political career, he would sponsor bills

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<v Speaker 3>that would make it harder to get a divorce in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know the exact date of Polly's death, but

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<v Speaker 3>she died in eighteen fifteen, and he married Elizabeth on

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<v Speaker 3>March sixth, eighteen fifteen, so he remarried inside of three

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<v Speaker 3>months of Polly's death. It's notable too, that Elizabeth's first

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<v Speaker 3>husband was killed in the Creek War that Crockett also

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<v Speaker 3>fought in. Elizabeth had two children that she brought into

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<v Speaker 3>the marriage and David three, and then they would have

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<v Speaker 3>three children together, bringing their total number of children to eight.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a respectable sized Tennessee family. The pragmatism of David

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<v Speaker 3>and Elizabeth's marriage was evidenced by their business ventures together.

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<v Speaker 3>The new Crockett family would then move to Shoal Creek

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<v Speaker 3>near Lawrenceburg, southeast of Nashville, Tennessee. Today there's a Crockett

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<v Speaker 3>State Park there. Here is an event in eighteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>that shaped their family's life.

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<v Speaker 5>Another way that Crockett's life parallels Daniel Boone's is that

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<v Speaker 5>both started many enterprises, businesses, and they never worked out.

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<v Speaker 5>They always collapsed one way or another. And using his

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<v Speaker 5>wife's money, he builds this huge business gristmill, powder mill,

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<v Speaker 5>distillery and thinks, you know, well have got it made.

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<v Speaker 5>Now this comes a flood and it's all washed away.

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<v Speaker 5>He has to start over again.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it seems like poverty chased these guys around

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<v Speaker 3>a lot and shaped a lot of their life. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if Crockett had been wealthy, he wouldn't have been Crockett.

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<v Speaker 3>If Boone had been independently wealthy, he never would have

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<v Speaker 3>had to have taken the risks that he took. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like these guys, even though if they if

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<v Speaker 3>you had him choose poverty or choose wealth, they would

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<v Speaker 3>inevitably have chosen wealth and had maybe an easier life.

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<v Speaker 3>It was this thing that was following them that drove them,

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<v Speaker 3>and that drive that they had is what made them

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<v Speaker 3>who they were.

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<v Speaker 5>They were both gamblers and they were willing to take

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<v Speaker 5>huge chances. I think both of them had a sense

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<v Speaker 5>that they were going to lose in practical things, but

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<v Speaker 5>they were willing to try really risky.

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<v Speaker 3>Things because it might have a big payoff. You might

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<v Speaker 3>go through the Cumberland Gap and get ten thousand acres

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<v Speaker 3>in Kentucky that yours, or you might go to West

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<v Speaker 3>Tennessee or Texas and get land.

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<v Speaker 5>But also I think Crockett felt sometimes that he was

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<v Speaker 5>kind of born to failure. It became a part of

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<v Speaker 5>the persona, the public persona, the self deprecating you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I've done this, I've done that. You know this, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the loss of the mill starts a streak that ends

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<v Speaker 5>up at the Alamo. He didn't choose failure, but he

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<v Speaker 5>was willing to risk failure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if the gristmill had worked out, that flood hadn't come,

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<v Speaker 3>and that had been a major source of prosperity for

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<v Speaker 3>his family, he probably maybe would have never gone to

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<v Speaker 3>take Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, certainly you have never gone to Texas. He'd probably

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<v Speaker 5>never gone to Congress is either.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, that's a really interesting thought. You think

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<v Speaker 3>about the failures in your life or the difficulty, the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that was hard, and so often that looks like

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<v Speaker 3>a like a black X, but that that black X

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<v Speaker 3>is probably what pushed you to do other stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>ended up being winds for you.

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<v Speaker 5>The unconventional thing they ended up doing it thing that

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<v Speaker 5>nobody expected.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you one thing I've learned from looking at

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<v Speaker 3>Frontier history's owning a gristmill is risky business.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like every time when I hear that they

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<v Speaker 3>build a gristmill, I'm like, oh man, here comes financial failure.

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<v Speaker 3>After the failure of the mill, Crockett's wanderlust for land

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<v Speaker 3>got the best of him, and he went on an

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<v Speaker 3>exploration into Alabama, the land formerly owned by the Creeks.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets down there on a several month excursion and

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<v Speaker 3>contracts what most likely was malaria.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets so sick his.

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<v Speaker 3>Buddies literally leave him for dead, return to Tennessee and

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<v Speaker 3>give his horse to Elizabeth with news of his death.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we know, reports of death aren't always true.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, I remember Mark Twain's other reports of my death.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about that because so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so these guys that were with Crockett go back and

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<v Speaker 3>tell Elizabeth Crockett's dead, even though they actually didn't see

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<v Speaker 3>him die. They just when they left him he was

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<v Speaker 3>Basically this seems so common back during this time that

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<v Speaker 3>the Frontier was so dangerous, the communication was so slim.

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<v Speaker 3>We know it happened with Boone when he went into

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<v Speaker 3>the wilderness for two years, it was just assumed that

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<v Speaker 3>he was dead. It happened with Crockett. It just seems

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<v Speaker 3>like today I think about you know, my wife or

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<v Speaker 3>it would just be so bizarre to have some period

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<v Speaker 3>of your life when you did not know if your

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<v Speaker 3>spouse or loved one was dead or alive.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the most famous case is Hugh Glass. Remember that

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<v Speaker 5>Jim Bridger as a sixteen year old left him because

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<v Speaker 5>he was so close to being dead. He he was

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<v Speaker 5>going to die and when you get away from the

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<v Speaker 5>grizzly bears, yeah and the Sioux.

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<v Speaker 1>So he just left him.

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<v Speaker 5>Was he was dead?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, the.

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<v Speaker 5>Reports of my doubt that greatly exaggerated.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark twains Man, that is a when you think about

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<v Speaker 3>human emotions and how we're geared to deal with crisis

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<v Speaker 3>in life. That has got to be probably one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most dramatic things that can happen, is when you

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<v Speaker 3>think somebody's dead that you find out they're alive. And

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<v Speaker 3>you can even take that analogy back to the pinnacle

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<v Speaker 3>of the Christian faith, which is Jesus died and then

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<v Speaker 3>was resurrected three days later. He shows back up alive.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a pretty I don't know. It just takes a

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<v Speaker 3>human on a massive roller coaster. And it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 3>that happened all the time back these days.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously they were happy to see him when he showed

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<v Speaker 5>up and she had sent somebody to look for him.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a pragmatic woman, wasn't she. She was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's dead, that old sucker. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>kill him that easy. There's more to that near death story.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really interesting. Will somebody on the next render please

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<v Speaker 3>remind me to talk about his near death in Alabama. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>that is pragmatism, you know. I'm amazed at how quickly

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<v Speaker 3>they moved past loss. And you see that with Elizabeth Patton,

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth Crockett, when the gristmill washed away, she just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of said, well, there was a quote from her and

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<v Speaker 3>she used the words, we'll we'll scuffle around and get

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<v Speaker 3>some more, get something else going.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they're just kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the American way. I mean, you move further west,

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<v Speaker 5>your debt, you lose everything, get in trouble with the law, whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>you just keep going with. You try again, and then

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<v Speaker 5>you try again. It's just you know how the country

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<v Speaker 5>was developed. That's people who failed in Europe or they

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to go, you know, they were in Ireland or

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere they.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that makes me see a real connection to

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<v Speaker 3>the actual land of America, that the physical land, how

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<v Speaker 3>big it is, and kind of American identity that we

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<v Speaker 3>had room to make mistakes and continue to move. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>just the idea of a literal geographic move after some

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<v Speaker 3>type of failure or you know, if back in Europe

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<v Speaker 3>when everything was settled from coast to coast and you

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<v Speaker 3>fail in your little hometown, I mean, there's not a

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<v Speaker 3>vast wilderness to the west of you to just go

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<v Speaker 3>and try something.

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<v Speaker 5>Might in jail in England as you've got in debt.

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<v Speaker 4>But here there was a place to run.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never really thought of that as such a part

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<v Speaker 3>of American identity in the well.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's true in other ways, just geography that

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<v Speaker 5>if you fail to start another career, I mean somebody

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<v Speaker 5>else COVID comes and people lose their job and they

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<v Speaker 5>go to the community college or you know, start another

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<v Speaker 5>That's why you know there's so many jobs begging people

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<v Speaker 5>have moved on to something.

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<v Speaker 3>Any I think that's that's unique to Americans.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not unique, but it's certainly a part of our character.

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<v Speaker 5>That nothing is at the end of the world. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>you lose something, you know you can always try again.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a part of the character that is most successful

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<v Speaker 5>what we call pragmatism. The people who are pragmatic usually

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<v Speaker 5>win over those who are idealistic or have some fantasy

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<v Speaker 5>about the way things have to be. It's said that

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<v Speaker 5>in the Civil War, the Union was much more pragmatic

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<v Speaker 5>than the South, which had grown up on the novels

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<v Speaker 5>of Sir Walter Scott. This you know chivalry, and you

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<v Speaker 5>know grandness, and really a place that you know where

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<v Speaker 5>you something, you have a little shop or a factory,

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<v Speaker 5>that it's hard for one to ultimately compete with the other.

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<v Speaker 5>You may have generals that are better, but it's this,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the supplies, the material that finally on the war

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<v Speaker 5>that makes sense. If we have any genius, it's pragmatism.

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<v Speaker 3>If we have any genius, it's pragmatism. That's interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>think about. Seems to me like there should be a

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<v Speaker 3>fine balance of idealism and pragmatism in one's life. The

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<v Speaker 3>year eighteen seventeen is when the world began to take

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<v Speaker 3>notice of Crockett, he was thirty two years old, which

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<v Speaker 3>for the frontier was on the right side of middle age.

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<v Speaker 3>It was then he was appointed as a magistrate of

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<v Speaker 3>his county, which is basically a low level judge. Crockett said,

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<v Speaker 3>this was a hard business for me, for I could

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<v Speaker 3>just barely write my own name, but to do this

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<v Speaker 3>and write warrants too, was at least a huckleberry over

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<v Speaker 3>my persimmon. That was a cute way to say that

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<v Speaker 3>this was above his pay grade. And he went on

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<v Speaker 3>to say, quote, I made my decisions on the principles

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<v Speaker 3>of common justice and honesty between man and man, and

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<v Speaker 3>relied on natural born since not on law learning to

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<v Speaker 3>guide me, for I had never read a page in

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<v Speaker 3>a law book my whole life.

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<v Speaker 4>Crockett's public life grew over the.

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<v Speaker 3>Next few years when he rose out of the wilderness

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<v Speaker 3>of West Tennessee and declared that he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>run for state representative. So in eighteen twenty one is

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<v Speaker 3>when he ran for state representative, and he was aged

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five. So we've walked through his life from being

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<v Speaker 3>farmed out to do work for his father when he

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<v Speaker 3>was thirteen running away from home working for John Canaday,

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<v Speaker 3>this astute quaker who really shaped him to get him married.

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<v Speaker 3>And from twenty to thirty five he kind of became

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<v Speaker 3>the bear hunter and backwoodsman and built this you know,

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<v Speaker 3>really was on the frontier. And then when he was

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<v Speaker 3>in eighteen twenty one, age thirty five, he ran for

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<v Speaker 3>state representative. It said that he started his campaign at

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<v Speaker 3>a squirrel hunt. There was a big squirrel hunt down

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<v Speaker 3>on the Duck River in Hickman County, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>a big social gathering and they had a big frolic

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<v Speaker 3>as they called, where they had music and bands, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was a squirrel hunting contest where the guys went

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<v Speaker 3>out and whoever could bring back the most squirrels would win,

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<v Speaker 3>and so called it squirrel scalps scalps, Yeah, they called it.

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<v Speaker 3>They brought squirrel scalps back. What I took note of

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<v Speaker 3>this he said when he stood up before those people,

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<v Speaker 3>and again he's not polished in public speaking at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just done it a couple of times probably, And

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<v Speaker 3>when he stood up before him, he got choked up

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<v Speaker 3>big time. And I can identify with that, standing up

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<v Speaker 3>before people and being self conscious and just being his

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<v Speaker 3>knees were shaking, yeah, just locked up, and he made

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<v Speaker 3>a joke like he was stumbling for what to say,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, well, when I stood up here there

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<v Speaker 3>it was like a there was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>whiskey at the bottom of the barrel, and I thought

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<v Speaker 3>I could get it out by turning it over and

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<v Speaker 3>shaking it.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I did, nothing came out.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was a metaphor about him thinking he had

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<v Speaker 3>something to say but didn't. And when he did that,

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<v Speaker 3>all the people started laughing and it encouraged him, and

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was able to give the.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And I could identify with that so much.

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<v Speaker 3>But he had a very successful first speech, and then

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<v Speaker 3>that became like the fire of his political career was

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<v Speaker 3>standing up and talking to people.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think he discovered this talent that when he's

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<v Speaker 5>actually in front of people, however nervous he was before,

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<v Speaker 5>when he's up there looking them in the face, that

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<v Speaker 5>suddenly the words do come to him. That that's true

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<v Speaker 5>for some people, and it's not. I've always been that way.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a very shy person. But when I get up

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<v Speaker 5>in front of people, the words come and I think

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<v Speaker 5>Crockett found out there. That was the important point. He's

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<v Speaker 5>somebody had this rapport with people that he kind of

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<v Speaker 5>knew what they wanted to hear and how he wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to present himself because he's creating a persona Every public

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<v Speaker 5>person is an actor, and from the time he was

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<v Speaker 5>very young, he was sort of an actor. He's like

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<v Speaker 5>Boone in that way. I mean, everybody is an actor

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<v Speaker 5>in a sense. You create the role of yourself and

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<v Speaker 5>Crockett was really good at it. That was the real

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<v Speaker 5>beginning of his political career when he got up there

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<v Speaker 5>and was at LBJ who said, if you're really a

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<v Speaker 5>have the talent to be a politician, and you walk

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<v Speaker 5>into a room, you've got to know within I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>forty five seconds or something, what people's.

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<v Speaker 1>Attitude to you are.

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<v Speaker 5>You just sense it that people or a hostile or

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<v Speaker 5>friendly or yeah, believe you. And he had that.

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<v Speaker 3>Crockett would win the election and it would set a

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<v Speaker 3>new course for his life. Here's Scott Williams with some context.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to look at what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the country at the time. So expansion is what

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was all about. America was needing to grow there

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be a lot more farmland, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>trade was going on internationally, and all of the area

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<v Speaker 2>where I am, all around us for thousands of miles,

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<v Speaker 2>is prime agriculture land. People up east, though, were curious.

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<v Speaker 2>They were trying to figure out, you know, what is

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<v Speaker 2>his land like, you know, and so there were songs

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<v Speaker 2>and there were there was a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the media was really writing about it, and there were

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people writing books about it, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it was very romanticized. And so people like Andrew Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>who were the last person you would ever think would

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<v Speaker 2>be running for office, you know, could win. And someone

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<v Speaker 2>like a David Crockett, who, well, who are.

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<v Speaker 1>You going to vote for?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're going to vote for somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>represent you in the Tennessee legislature, are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for some fancy, you know, well dressed person or

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to vote for somebody that's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like you. It's going to be able to spin yarns

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<v Speaker 2>and tell stories and make you laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess back in the back in the East,

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<v Speaker 3>that was the typical political leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and it was the.

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<v Speaker 4>Standard I read.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was in your book that a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the politics back East maybe weren't even that much

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<v Speaker 3>different than Europe what these people had left. And so

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<v Speaker 3>when Crockett was when he rose up, America was like, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Who we are.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not We're.

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Not those guys. This is who we are. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right.

0:26:56.280 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Crockett biographer Michael Wallace said the political campaign evokeding Crockett

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>a folksiness in frontier flair that displayed his expansive personality

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 3>in full force. He would continue to use this template

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>of folksy speeches that vividly differed from the stuffy political

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:19.679
<v Speaker 3>vibe of his opponents. The founding fathers weren't exactly commoners,

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 3>you know. Wallace also said Crockett never put on airs.

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 3>He was trying to represent the common men and women

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 3>just like himself and not the landed gentry, creating an

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 3>ethic for this western portion of Tennessee that challenged the

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 3>hierarchical structure of the plantation culture and the quote. He

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 3>would maintain this stance his whole political career and become

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 3>America's first frontier populist politician, as he would later go

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 3>to Congress so eighteen twenty one he's a state representative.

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 3>This is his first time to really be in the

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 3>public eye, and he's in the chamber of the Legislature.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 3>One of the more pro legislators stand up and they're

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 3>talking about Crockett, and he belittles Crockett when he says

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 3>the gentleman from the cane. This was designed to be basically,

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 3>it was just saying, this is a common man, an

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 3>uneducated man, a man that doesn't need to be here.

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 3>And he was trying to take the knees out from Crockett.

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:23.199
<v Speaker 3>And then what does Crockett do.

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<v Speaker 5>He calls himself the gentleman from the cane.

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.959
<v Speaker 3>At the time, there were vast expanses of river cane

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 3>associated with wilderness.

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 4>That's what he's talking about when he says the cane.

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 3>The man who belittled him wore a ruff which was

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 3>a high frillly caller, you know, like those European guys wore.

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 3>And the next day Crockett stood before the Congress wearing

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 3>a rouf and calling himself a man from the cane.

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 3>This maid is aggressor of the laughing stock of the

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Tennessee legislature.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 5>And that's remember how difficult it is to come from

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 5>his background and to be in a chamber of people

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 5>who are much better addressed, who have the confidence of

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 5>people who have more money. This is really challenging somebody

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 5>really from the working class, particularly when things get difficult.

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 5>You may be able to act confidently when things are

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 5>going smoothly, but when you're criticized, somebody's making fun of you,

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 5>and you still act with confidence. Not many people can

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 5>really do that.

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Another option would be for someone to make a fool

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 3>of themselves and get mad and go on a rant.

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you're just thinking about all the options,

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, option one, option two, when you're belittled by

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 3>people in power. And he did the absolute best option.

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 3>He used it the rest of his life. His enemies

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 3>gave him as a beautiful plan for marketing and branding

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 3>for his career.

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<v Speaker 5>We could also say that he created that role in

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 5>American politics that in the era of the Founding Fathers

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 5>on the early nineteenth century, almost all politicians are from

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 5>advantage backgrounds. In some ways that still is true. You know,

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 5>you find out politicism of the Harvard or Princeton, however

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 5>folksy they may act. But Crockett's the real thing of it.

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 5>He didn't come from the.

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<v Speaker 3>Cane in Wallace's book, he said quote. One of Crockett's

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 3>favorite ploys, developed early on in his political career, was

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 3>the campaign and a buckskin hunting shirt with two large pockets.

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 3>One pocket he kept a big twist of tobacco, and

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 3>then the other a bottle of liquor. Crockett said, when

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I met a man and offered him a dram, he

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 3>would throw out his quid a tobacco and take on.

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 3>And after he had taken his horn, I would out

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 3>with my twist and give him another chaw. And in

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 3>this way he would not be worse off than when

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I found him. End of quote. Now, I could do

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 3>without the hard liquor in mouth tobacco, but the concept

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 3>is solid. And I'll give you one guest who also

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 3>wore buckskin in the legislature. I compared him to Michael

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Jordan on the last episode, and he's clearly the goat

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 3>the American Frontier.

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 4>Yep Old d B. Daniel Boone.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I might run for political office one day,

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 3>first of all, so I could represent my people, but secondly,

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 3>so I could wear my first light and a pair

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 3>of briarproof Bibbs into the state House to lecture those

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 3>crusty yuppies on the virtue of true Arkansas living.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 4>You know what, Brent Reeves might even be my running mate.

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 4>We might even run for governor and vice governor. Bill

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 4>cut that out. That's ridiculous.

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 3>I've got to read another excerpt from Wallace's book. Crockett

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 3>certainly didn't know it at the time, but with his

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 3>victory in eighteen twenty three, he was well on his

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 3>way to becoming a folk hero in a nation that

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 3>had heroes such as George Washington, but no genuine folk heroes.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 3>There were plenty of mythologized heroes from the past and

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 3>the founding fathers, including some of who were still alive,

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 3>who were admired and respected, but not other than Washington

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 3>the stuff of legend. Even the admirable Daniel Boone, who

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 3>died an old man just a few years before Missouri,

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 3>seemed distant and removed, particularly since he had much preferred

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 3>solitude to the legend that overshadowed him. Andrew Jackson and

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 3>other notable political leaders were objects of hero worship in

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 3>many circles, but especially the so called common man saw

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 3>something else in the brash yet unpretentious David Crockett of Tennessee.

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 3>The common man was on the rise, as Jackson's political

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 3>success revealed, and Crockett also had the makings to become

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 3>one of America's first heroes for the masses.

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 4>End of quote.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 3>This helps me understand a difference in Boone Crockett's persona

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Boone would become an American archetype for manhood, freedom, independence,

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 3>and the natural man connected to nature.

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Wallace calls Crockett a folk hero.

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 3>A more modern word we've used would be celebrity because

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 3>all this happened in his lifetime. Crockett would serve a

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>two year term from eighteen twenty one to twenty three

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 3>and win reelection in twenty three to serve as second

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 3>term in state government. While in office, Crockett was very effective,

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 3>and his primary focus was helping Tennessee settlers by land

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>at a reasonable price, but he also sponsored bills promoting

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 3>navigable rivers, marriage with widows, things that opposed divorce, banning dueling,

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 3>and opposing prisoner labor. But he did lose his first

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 3>national race in twenty four for a seat and a

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Senate His opponent had more money by now his family

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 3>had moved to West Tennessee, living near real Foot Lake

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 3>and later near present day Rutherford, Tennessee near Memphis. And

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 3>after these two terms, he returned home and a literal

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 3>shipwrecked business venture would lead him to his next step, Congress.

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>But one thing that I did pick up on about

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>David Crockett is he was.

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 2>A good friend. If you were a friend of David Crockett,

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>he kept you by his side. One of my favorite

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 2>stories in in his life. This is a great little

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>example of how things went for David Crockett. You know,

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>back then, think about it. Barrels were the most important

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>thing you could have, whether you're on the farm or

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 2>in the city or wherever you are.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>A barrel is crucial because you would store things in it.

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>It kept things dry, it kept.

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Major transportation of absolutely, barrels were huge. So the Obien

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 2>River is near here in Obien County, so he would

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>hit his house was his cabin was close to the

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Obien River.

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Hit.

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 2>He and his wife owned that land, and so his

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>idea was, I'm going to pay you to cut the

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 2>barrel pieces, and then we're gonna we're gonna build a boat,

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>two boats, and then we're gonna take them to New

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Orleans and we're gonna sell them.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Go down the Obien to where it hits the Missississippi.

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And we're gonna go down the Mississippi and then Staves.

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, New Orleans, Yep, that's what they were called, Beryl Staves.

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Then he'll pay you, you know. So these guys had

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of trust. So they get into the Mississippi

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>River and suddenly he's like, wow, I really didn't realize

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 2>it was this crazy out here on the Mississippi River.

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 2>And the people he had hired to do this also

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't realize. So there is a place near Memphis called

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Patty's Hen and Chicken Island something like that. They hit it,

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 2>and when they hit it, one boat fell apart. They

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>had to everybody get on the other boat. And he's

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 2>he was asleep at the time, and his crew pulled

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 2>him through the window. When they did, they pulled all

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 2>his clothes off.

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Here's Robert Morgan on the Mississippi River wreck.

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 5>When you read that passage of him going down the

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Obien River and getting on the Mississippi, you have to

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 5>remember a wonderful book by Mark Kwain, Life on the

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 5>Mississippi and was brilliant passages in it, And what's brilliant

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 5>writing by him and possibly an American literature are describing

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 5>how you navigate on the Mississippi, that a pilot has

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 5>to memorize the whole thing. He knows the current, he

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 5>knows where the sandbars are, he knows where the eddies are,

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 5>the sucks, and I mean it's a.

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, it takes you years.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 5>And here are these people with these two flat boats.

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 5>They know absolutely nothing about the Mississippi hoping to navigate.

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:29.839
<v Speaker 3>It seems like he would have known better than that.

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 5>Well, there's something in Crockett. I don't have a name

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 5>for it. I'm still working on it that like Edgar

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 5>Allen Poe, I don't want to call it a death wish,

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 5>but it's something like that that when he does something,

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 5>he has to know it's so risky it probably won't work.

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Crockett was wild, and that ever present thing mister Morgan

0:36:55.960 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 3>can't put his finger on would eventually kill Him's Scott

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 3>on the rest of the shipwreck story that ultimately leads

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 3>him to a run for Congress.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 2>So he is hovering naked on this island when a

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>boat comes down from Memphis and picks him up and

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>takes him to Memphis and they get him something to

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 2>drink and something to eat. Him and his crew. Of course,

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what he's thinking in his mind. This

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>is like a disaster. Everything it's gone, you know, and

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 2>these guys, I'm sure like going, uh so, where we're

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna get Are we gonna get paid? And so, you know,

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>here he is, you know, going to Memphis, and they

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>introduce him to Marcus Winchester, who is the mayor of

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Memphis and the son of Winchester who was one of

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 2>the founders of all of West Tennessee.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And so they just hit it off like gangbusters, you know.

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>And Marcus Winchester is this guy who's from you know,

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 2>very fancy background, great schools, well respected, but who had

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>actually married a woman who was part Native American, possibly

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>some African American blood, and so he was in many

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>ways a figure with a lot of controversy swirling around

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>him at the time. So Marcus Winchester and his wife

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 2>were having to live outside the city of the city

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>limits of the city he was the mayor of. And

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>from then on, Marcus Winchester funded a lot of daily

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Crockett's campaigns.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Winchester would encourage and fund Crockett to run again for

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 3>a national seat in Congress, which he did in eighteen

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven. And this river wreck was a major crisis,

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 3>with over one years of work completely lost in a

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 3>near death experience on the Mississippi River that would have

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 3>made a great story on a Medeator close called audio book.

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Him ending up half naked on the banks of the Mississippi,

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 3>in his vulnerability, opened a door for a political alliance.

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 3>You would think that strength would land big deals, but

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 3>sometimes it's weakness. It was in these highly contested campaigns

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:02.479
<v Speaker 3>for Congress that Crockett his campaign style began to rock

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 3>the free world. He was a force of nature to

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 3>be reckoned with. On the campaign trail, they typically traveled

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 3>with the person they were running against, and they'd go

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 3>from town to town given stump speeches. Once Crockett's opponent

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 3>paused his speech when a flock of guineas began to

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.919
<v Speaker 3>chatter loudly, and he asked some people to run off

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 3>the guineas. Crockett stood up after and he said his

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 3>opponent was the first person he'd ever known to understand

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 3>the language of guinea fowls.

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 4>Everyone laughed.

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Another time, Crockett asked his opponent if he could go

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<v Speaker 3>first at the next town, and then Crockett proceeded to

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 3>recite the man's campaign speech word for word. His opponent

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 3>was flustered and speechless. Once Crockett was running against a

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 3>man with a peg leg, a prosthetic leg, and they

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 3>stayed at this farmer's house who had a beautiful young daughter.

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 3>In the night, Crockett took a wooden chair and thumped

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<v Speaker 3>it down the hall and knocked on the girl's door

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 3>and quickly ran back to his room before the irate

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 3>awakened father accused Crockett's opponents of some serious misconduct. Crockett

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 3>was playing chess while these boys were playing checkers.

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 4>Here is Robert Morgan.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:20.439
<v Speaker 3>Introducing us to the political rival that would define Crockett's life.

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<v Speaker 5>Andrew Jackson, somebody like David Crockett, had from his youth,

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 5>had this resistance against the upper classes. Also because the

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 5>upper classes had owned all the land and charged them

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 5>money for renting it, and in effect tried to make

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 5>them serfs, really people tied to the land doing all

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 5>the work. It's very interesting to think of Crockett's relationship

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 5>with Andrew Jackson because Jackson was ostensibly for the poor people.

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:56.320
<v Speaker 5>He was a populist, but Jackson had become a great

0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 5>landowner many slaves. As Crockett became much more familiar with

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 5>politics and then with Washington, he understood that that Jackson

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 5>had really become the friend of the ruling classes, the

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 5>slave owning ruling class. So it's very important to understand

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 5>that he'd been a Jacksonian earlier because he thought that

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 5>the Jacksonians, not just Jackson himself but his whole party,

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 5>were people for the poor people, and then he came

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 5>to realize that was absolutely not true, that they were

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 5>very much for the ruling class and had little interest

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 5>in the squatters on land who needed land and needed

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 5>title to the land. This resentment, this war really between

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 5>the scotch Irish and the ruling classes went all the

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 5>way back to Scotland and almost to the Middle Ages.

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 3>And that really defined who Crockett would become in that

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 3>he was constantly communicating to people that he was a

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 3>common man and kind of had a chip on his

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 3>shoulder against the entitled the rich. It's almost like you

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.280
<v Speaker 3>can trace that thing in him all the way back

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 3>across the Atlantic to the history that their family brought

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 3>with him, even though he was never there. He was

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 3>born in Tennessee. To me, it's interesting how generational ideas

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 3>and worldviews just passed down well.

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 5>Crockett is one of the few leaders of the United

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 5>States who actually came from the laboring working class. That

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 5>if you look at the great politicians of the nineteenth century,

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 5>at the founding Fathers, they're mostly from middle class anyway.

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 5>But Crockett really came from the laboring classes, people had

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 5>very little education. And that's very important in thinking about him,

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 5>but also in thinking about the politics of the nineteenth century.

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 5>Who else can you think of who's a famous politician

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 5>who came literally from the laboring class. It's Lincoln, the

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 5>greatest president of all, who shares so much with David Crockett,

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 5>including the sense of humor, backwards humor, and who tried

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 5>so much for working for the poor people and the

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 5>black people, the slaves. He had that sympathy. But Lincoln

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 5>is one of the few people of the nineteenth century

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 5>who comes literally from the working class. So think about that.

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 5>Crockett has an enormous influence on the political culture.

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 3>So you think he influenced people's ideas of who could

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 3>be a leader, but also directly influenced Lincoln as a politician.

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. I mean, Lincoln shares so much with Crockett, including,

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, telling corny jokes all the time and also

0:43:55.920 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 5>being a kind of like a poker player with his policy.

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Remember I think it was Chase who said earlier in

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:08.919
<v Speaker 5>Lincoln administration, mister President, you've got to tell us what

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 5>your policy is, and Lincoln famously answered, my policy is

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:20.919
<v Speaker 5>to have no policy. And both Crockett and Lincoln were

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 5>deeply influenced by the culture of the frontier, which was

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 5>deeply influenced by Indian politics and culture. That's exactly the

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:36.360
<v Speaker 5>way a famous Indian chief would act. You didn't know

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 5>what he was going to say, You didn't know what

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.320
<v Speaker 5>his policy was going to be till the last minute.

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 5>And that's exactly the way Lincoln acted.

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 3>So Crockett being this kind of first significant American frontier

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.200
<v Speaker 3>populist and he kind of emerged as this political.

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 4>Leader and kind of forged a pattern.

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 3>And he for sure was the first guy that was

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 3>a no notable, notable politician that was absolutely uneducated, that

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 3>was foreshore from the frontier and he like created this

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 3>space that then influenced American politics from there on out.

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 5>He's the model, as Boone was the model for the frontiersman.

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.479
<v Speaker 5>Crockett is the model of the frontiersman, the laborer who

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:26.320
<v Speaker 5>arrives in Washington and becomes a very famous, iconic figure.

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 3>That's big fodder for quantifying how Crockett influenced America. He

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 3>influenced Lincoln. Here's Scott with the DL on the Jackson

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Crockett feud.

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was happened to be researching and writing

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 2>my book during one of the most contentious eras in

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 2>recent memory, when Trump was in office, and so I

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 2>couldn't help but have a lot of that resonate with me,

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the comparisons between Trump and Andrew Jackson, and you know

0:45:58.600 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 2>how some of those.

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Tell me about that interesting.

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, Yet, like Trump Andrew Jackson was like, Hey, I'm

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 2>going to do things my way, no matter. I don't

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>care what you I don't care what anybody says. You know,

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm the I'm the anti government person, you know. And

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>also at the time, political campaigns were vicious. I mean

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you think they were vicious, you know, during the Trump era,

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.360
<v Speaker 2>they were even ten times more vicious.

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Really during Andrew.

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Jackson's you know, him and his wife, Andrew Jackson's wife,

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, she may or may not have still been

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>married when they got married, so.

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 4>She was likely a little bit of a scandal.

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.919
<v Speaker 1>A political you know, a polygamist.

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>And you know, if if you go strictly by the

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>law and the stress of the media coverage and and

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 2>his political enemies, you know, using that killed her. And

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>so so imagine the anger and the fury that was

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 2>directed towards.

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Him by Andrew Jackson.

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, and this is a guy that was

0:46:57.440 --> 0:46:59.720
<v Speaker 3>involved in I think like one hundred duels.

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean he was.

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 3>He was literally in shootouts like constantly.

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And I was researching David Crockett, you can't help, but

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 2>also research Andrew Jackson quite a bit. And you know,

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.320
<v Speaker 2>here the bullets that were still in his body caused

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 2>long term lead poisoning. Yeah, and so he lived for

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, a really long time, but oh my gosh, the.

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Last year had the bullets from the duels, at least

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 3>one or two bullets, yeah, lodged in his body.

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.320
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't get out, and it just slowly leaked into

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>his body.

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Until he just he died a horrible death.

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 3>They exhumed his hair from the grave, Yeah, I guess

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 3>they dug him up, Yeah, and found all that lead

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 3>and did analysis on it modern analysis and found that

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 3>he died of leda this is which.

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Is ultimately killed him.

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 2>But he was just I mean, he was a hot head,

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and you know he he was really the antithesis ultimately

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of what David Crockett was about. And you would think

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 2>these two guys would have more in common than they

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>had different, but they really.

0:47:58.360 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Had more different.

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 3>So Andrew Jackson was anti government, right, right, but now Crockett,

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 3>where would Crockett have staid?

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, what Andrew Jackson and James k Holk, what they

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 2>needed more than anything was for all the congressmen to

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 2>fall into line. And so if Andrew Jackson and if

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>they needed something done they wanted, they wanted David Crockett

0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>to vote yes when they wanted yes, and no when

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 2>they voted no. And I tried to figure out was

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 2>David Crockett in many cases that he went against them?

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.959
<v Speaker 2>Was he going against him because he knew they wanted

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 2>him to go for them, or was he truly And

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's a mixture of the two.

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 3>So it could be that he was actually not playing

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 3>politics and just doing what he thought was right in

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 3>the situation, that would be the most noble.

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's somewhere in the middle that's most

0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Usually as the case, he wasn't going to let anybody

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 2>boss him around, he wasn't to let anybody push him around.

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>So probably the most notable was the eighteen thirty Indian

0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:01.919
<v Speaker 2>Removal Act, where Andrew Jackson was spinning it as Hey,

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you know what, We're gonna do something nice for the

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Native Americans. We're gonna help them preserve their way of life,

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna send them, you know, to Oklahoma out west.

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>And David Crockett knew enough to do that that was

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 1>not true.

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 2>And that a lot of the Native Americans had actually assimilated,

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but they had assimilated and their tribes still owned a

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 2>huge amounts of land. And so David Crockett, there's a

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 2>quote that's in the book that probably to me, his

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 2>most noble moment is when he said, look, I know,

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Native America, my territory that I represent has more Native

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Americans touching it than any place else. And I can

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>tell you this is not a good bill unless.

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>They choose to go. If they choose, too great, But

0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna vote no.

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, that is what really at the

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, that was the last straw for

0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Jackson and his cronies.

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that Crockett it's motivations inside of that

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.800
<v Speaker 3>where truly he was empathetic towards the Native Americans.

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've tried to figure that out.

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 2>It's impossible really to ever know, but I do think

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 2>so because in that particular case, it wouldn't have hurt

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 2>him in any way to vote yes unless he really

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.799
<v Speaker 2>truly believed that it was the wrong thing to do.

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And so I do think especially by that point in

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.279
<v Speaker 2>his life, you know, you got to think by then,

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, this is a guy, and it's

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 2>hard for us because for us, David Crockett is you know,

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 2>daity Daty Crockett, King of the World Frontier. It's so

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 2>ingrained in our culture. It's hard to think about the fact,

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>here's this real person who is going to Washington and

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.800
<v Speaker 2>there are plays on stage about him, and he's going

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to a play that is about him, you know, And

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 2>so there are books and magazine. I mean, he has

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>reached the height of fame unlike really anybody else. I

0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 2>mean there were lots of Congressmen and senators, and there

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:02.319
<v Speaker 2>was lots of politicians and you know, but other famous people. Yeah,

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 2>but he just by far was the most most well known,

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:10.920
<v Speaker 2>most recognized, most famous. And so by voting no on

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>that bill, he was the only Tennessee and to vote no.

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And and it it was in all the papers. Everybody

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 2>wrote about it and wrote about it and wrote about it.

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 1>And here's the other thing that's interesting.

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 2>So he had a campaign coming up to be re elected,

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>but by voting against Jackson, they all put as much

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.360
<v Speaker 2>force and energy as they could behind Adam Huntsman.

0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 1>So they win and.

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:34.759
<v Speaker 4>Ultimately hurt him politically.

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>It did, It really did.

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>And the Whigs so that you know, the Whigs were

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>funding this little book tour.

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And you know, these.

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Guys are all you know, for the most part, Easterners,

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they're all you know, these are the

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 2>guys that have the.

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Guys in the East are funding Crockett. Yeah, because they

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 3>think he could be I.

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Think maybe he could be a Whig. Maybe we'll convert

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 2>him over to us. He'll run for president, and he

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:59.879
<v Speaker 2>could win, but he needed to win his next camp.

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 2>So if he had won, then he could potentially have

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:04.920
<v Speaker 2>gone on.

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:09.800
<v Speaker 3>So that cost him voting against the Indian Removal Act.

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 3>He a couple of bounces away could have kept him

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:13.760
<v Speaker 3>from running for president.

0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Yep, because he really lost. He lost to Adam Huntsman

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 2>by just a few hundred votes.

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow. And so if he had not lost, history would

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>have been a lot different.

0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Krockutt was the only Tennessee and to vote no to

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:33.919
<v Speaker 3>Jackson's Indian Removal Act. It's important for me to try

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 3>to peer into the inner workings of his vote. We've

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 3>got to decide if this guy is going to be

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 3>in the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. I think there's

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:48.359
<v Speaker 3>a line of thought that could be Krockett. His identity

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 3>was that he was a poor kind of overlooked from

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 3>a marginalized group of people. I mean, that was his

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.439
<v Speaker 3>whole identity. It's like, these rich folks don't know what's

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.879
<v Speaker 3>going on? Were these poor folks from the cane right.

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that would lend itself to having a genuine

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:11.760
<v Speaker 3>empathy towards people that he saw being abused misused.

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 4>By the establishment and think about this.

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 2>So the other thing that could have made him win

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 2>is before the land was truly surveyed and before it

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.239
<v Speaker 2>was truly able to be purchased legally, a lot of

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 2>people came in here. A lot of people were just

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 2>flooding in here, setting up a space and saying, surely

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:37.239
<v Speaker 2>the government will let me have this once it becomes available.

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 2>And so they're setting up farms. Some people, the grand

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 2>the father, and the grandfather set up the farm. Well

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 2>by the time, you know, the young man is in

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 2>his twenties and he's farming. They've been that's his whole,

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:49.200
<v Speaker 2>that's where he's from.

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 1>You know. Well, they didn't even own the lands. They

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>were squatters.

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 2>And so what David Crockett was trying to do is

0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 2>pass legislation that would allow these people to purchase their land. Well,

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:02.799
<v Speaker 2>first he tried to allow them to have it just

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:04.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, if they had been farming in a certain

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 2>amount of time, they could have it.

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:07.800
<v Speaker 1>But then there was no way that was going to go.

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 2>So so it became could they get it at a

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:15.319
<v Speaker 2>reasonable amount of money, which they could never settle upon

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:20.239
<v Speaker 2>what is reasonable. There were a few times he got close. Ultimately,

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 2>no legislation was ever passed, And when he would have

0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 2>really been in there fighting for that legislation, that the

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 2>time he should have been, he was out promoting his book.

0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 2>So it was sort of a missed opportunity there.

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 3>But so would you say that his two main things

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:41.239
<v Speaker 3>that he did as a politician was fight for essentially squatters'

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:44.520
<v Speaker 3>rights to have their own land and then the Indian

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Removal Act and a general opposition to anything Andrew Jackson did.

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean that was kind

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:53.240
<v Speaker 2>of his political career.

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Anti establishment.

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 2>But Andrew Jackson was anti establishment, so I guess he

0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>was anti anti establishment.

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 1>He was. He was astablished squared.

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Davy Crockett, Yeah, David Crockett anti squared. You know, we've

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 3>skipped over an important part of Crockett's political career that

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 3>will sum up quickly. The Whigs, which will be equivalent

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 3>to modern day Republicans, saw him as a potential presidential candidate.

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 3>They courted him, flattered him, and brought him to Washington,

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 3>DC and funded his famous autobiography book Tour. Yes, it's

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.279
<v Speaker 3>the book. We've been reading stuff out of the book.

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Tour was during a political session, and so he didn't

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 3>show up to Congress and this would end up biting

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 3>him in the Buckskins. This was Crockett's blunder.

0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:46.360
<v Speaker 5>This is where Crockett really gets in trouble because he

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 5>starts overplaying it, encouraged by the newspapers and the audience.

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 5>He's the man from McCain and he's the real thing,

0:55:56.200 --> 0:56:00.759
<v Speaker 5>and he's working hard in Congress. But the Whigs begin

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 5>to perceive that he's against the Jacksonians. He's fallen out

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 5>with him. He's from Tennessee and it's deadly to be

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 5>from Tennessee and against Jackson's the popular person in the country.

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 1>So huh.

0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 5>The Whigs from the North. He's primarily saying, we can

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 5>use this guy, and they encourage other people and even

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.759
<v Speaker 5>Crocket himself to exaggerate this if it comes sort of

0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:27.920
<v Speaker 5>the clown the buffoon, and there's a book published about

0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:31.840
<v Speaker 5>him that really hypes that image, and he may have

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.319
<v Speaker 5>had a hand in it. Was it ego, I mean,

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 5>where they planned to his ego and he kind of

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:39.800
<v Speaker 5>fell for it, to his ego and his vanity. Yes,

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 5>that he was a handsome fella and they, I mean

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 5>nobody could resist this of course, that this fella from

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 5>the backwoods of Tennessee, is in the finest parlors, and

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 5>it's told he's great, it's a greater future, and you know,

0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 5>we're going to maybe wonderful president eventually convincing that he's

0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 5>going to run for president. And the more he's a clown,

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 5>the more it's going to be, the better it's going

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:12.279
<v Speaker 5>to be. So Crockett begins to go off track in

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:13.040
<v Speaker 5>that period.

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I think this really gives us some solid insight into

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 3>who Crockett was and what defined his political career. All

0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.720
<v Speaker 3>this stuff is really important to me because internal character

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 3>plays a big part of being in the Beargreas Hall

0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 3>of Fame. But does being enamored with fame count against

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 3>you in the realm of internal character? In some ways,

0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 3>I can see the argument of my friend Cleave Stanella

0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:41.000
<v Speaker 3>at Meat Eater, who thinks Crockett was a vain and

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 3>self serving man. But that seems like it's kind of

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 3>part of being a celebrity, which doesn't necessarily make it right.

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Here's Scott with a tough question.

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, in my little talk that I give, I

0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.800
<v Speaker 2>do ask people, what do you suppose David Crockett the

0:57:56.920 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>man would think about Davy Crockett the entertainment brand that

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 2>sprung up around parts of his personality. And my answer

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 2>is always, you know, I think he would love it

0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 2>if he could capitalize off.

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.120
<v Speaker 1>It some way and make money off of it.

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So he would be he would be one of those

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:19.760
<v Speaker 2>folks at those at those celebrity things where you're signing autographs.

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 2>He'd be signing autographs. He'd have a podcast, surely, you know,

0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.560
<v Speaker 2>he'd have a big social media presence. Crockett would have

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 2>a huge social he would have a huge now he'd

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 2>be tiktoking with the best of them, and so he would.

0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 2>But I also, having researched him, he would spend a

0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:39.640
<v Speaker 2>whole lot more.

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Than he made on doing those things.

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 3>But I keep I keep going back to this though,

0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 3>Does that not spoil the authenticity of Crockett for you

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 3>personally to think that he would have Because I feel

0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:58.320
<v Speaker 3>like as Americans, we want this guy that never wanted fame,

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 3>but fame found him because of his character and how

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 3>great a man he was. It's sort of what's the

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 3>lore around Boone, which isn't entirely true. He did quite

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 3>a bit of stuff to help raise his fame, like

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.120
<v Speaker 3>probably any of us would if we had the opportunity.

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:17.000
<v Speaker 3>But that's where I keep going with Crockett because I'm torn.

0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at look at like, you know, the

0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Earnharts and race car driving.

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:25.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think they're bad people because they want

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 2>to capitalize off of I mean, other people were making

0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:28.920
<v Speaker 2>money off.

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.840
<v Speaker 1>His name, image and likeness. Why shouldn't he be compensated

0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:32.240
<v Speaker 1>as well?

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 3>And see, that's where I think we're totally hypocritical, me

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 3>hypocritical because when I think of this, this guy that

0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:44.920
<v Speaker 3>was formative in America's identity, I don't want him to

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:45.720
<v Speaker 3>be a celebrity.

0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't want him to be someone that had awareness

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 3>of his own fame and would have done things to

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.080
<v Speaker 3>manipulate that and grow it. I want him to be

0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:59.600
<v Speaker 3>this guy in West Tennessee that just woke up one

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:02.600
<v Speaker 3>day and famous, you know, kind of like Boon And

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.360
<v Speaker 3>you're always comparing these two guys. But and that doesn't

1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:09.960
<v Speaker 3>make me discount Crockett at all. It's just something that

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I think about. Do you think about that well?

1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, he was so much on the front of

1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:22.560
<v Speaker 2>this fame. You know, people hadn't really been famous in

1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 2>America like that. And so I think about, you know,

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I think about some of the people that I've worked

1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:32.080
<v Speaker 2>with in my career who are famous, quote unquote, who

1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 2>manage when they get ready to have a photograph taken.

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:39.680
<v Speaker 2>They manage where the lights are, they manage how they look.

1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:41.880
<v Speaker 1>They want to see a clip of what if you're.

1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:45.240
<v Speaker 2>Shooting video, They want to manage how their image is

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:50.160
<v Speaker 2>projected publicly. And so there were no cameras yet then

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.960
<v Speaker 2>very soon thereafter there would be photography.

1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:56.400
<v Speaker 3>But I think what you're saying is that we can't

1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:59.200
<v Speaker 3>blame Crockett for doing the same thing that all our

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 3>heroes today are doing.

1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, or any of us would do.

1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're smart, you want to how many

1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:08.600
<v Speaker 2>of us have a photograph taken and you say, oh,

1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:12.080
<v Speaker 2>don't post that? Yep, you know, I mean, we control

1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:15.760
<v Speaker 2>our self images. But Crockett had a painting done, and

1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:19.400
<v Speaker 2>he controlled the gun. He was holding the dogs that

1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>were in the shot. He wanted to be holding a

1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.480
<v Speaker 2>hat like he was waving at his neighbor, you know,

1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:27.240
<v Speaker 2>And and that's a that's a photograph that you.

1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Know, if he orchestrated that painting.

1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And the painter lived to be a you know, very

1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:35.880
<v Speaker 2>old man, and he wrote about the whole experience of

1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>painting David Crockett, and he wrote about what it was like,

1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:41.680
<v Speaker 2>what they talked about. Crockett was dealing with some family

1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:45.440
<v Speaker 2>issues at the time and his his uh son was

1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:47.360
<v Speaker 2>upset with him because he was spending too much time

1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:51.040
<v Speaker 2>in d C. And he said, these the dogs you're using,

1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:54.200
<v Speaker 2>those are not what I would use if I were

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:58.040
<v Speaker 2>hunting bear and a hurricane as he called it. And

1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:02.360
<v Speaker 2>he he took the painter into the streets of DC

1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and they rounded up dogs that he thought he would use.

1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:08.919
<v Speaker 2>He had when he's looking at it, he said, right,

1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the gun, right, go ahead, And so the

1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:13.880
<v Speaker 2>painter wrote. You could see where the painter wrote go

1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:18.280
<v Speaker 2>ahead on the gun. The painter rights that Crockett was

1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 2>just not quite happy with the painting.

1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:22.240
<v Speaker 1>He just kept saying, I'm not quite there, and that one.

1:02:22.240 --> 1:02:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Day he came in and he was just exuberant and

1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:25.160
<v Speaker 2>he said, I've got it.

1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Here's what I want you to do.

1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Paint me holding my hat up, waving like I'm waving

1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to my neighbor and saying how he you know, because

1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.760
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to be approachable. He wanted to be. He

1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:38.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't want you to be, you know, a stuffy you

1:02:38.480 --> 1:02:43.120
<v Speaker 2>know painting. So and he also said he also wrote,

1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:45.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, every painter always makes me look like a

1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Methodist minister.

1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:49.520
<v Speaker 1>So he didn't want to look like a Methodist man. Yeah,

1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that's right. And so that's the famous painting.

1:02:53.240 --> 1:02:58.120
<v Speaker 3>And that that gave America a template for kind of

1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:01.760
<v Speaker 3>the folk hero too, because we we came from the

1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:06.600
<v Speaker 3>white Europeans that primarily established the colonies in the States

1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:10.680
<v Speaker 3>in the East came from Europe, and their aristocracy was

1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:15.600
<v Speaker 3>very stuffy, very very proper, very prim and so Crockett

1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.040
<v Speaker 3>was like, I ain't like those guys, right.

1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:20.520
<v Speaker 2>He rewrote the book, you know, he rewrote the book

1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:22.920
<v Speaker 2>on what it means to be famous. You know, he

1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:26.320
<v Speaker 2>also would love to have been able to capitalize off

1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:28.360
<v Speaker 2>of it financially and make enough money to where he

1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:31.120
<v Speaker 2>could support his family. And who could blame him for that?

1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:34.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean, don't we all want to do that?

1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Numerous people painted Crockett, and he said he always looked

1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:39.920
<v Speaker 3>like a Methodist preacher.

1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:40.880
<v Speaker 4>That's funny.

1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:45.439
<v Speaker 3>But in eighteen thirty four, John Gadsby Chapman set out

1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:49.040
<v Speaker 3>to paint the authentic Crockett, who was then forty seven

1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:53.520
<v Speaker 3>years old, the original painting. After Crockett's death, the Ylamo

1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:56.360
<v Speaker 3>was acquired by the State of Texas and hung in

1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:59.960
<v Speaker 3>the State Capitol Building in Austin. Chapman had the pain

1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:03.720
<v Speaker 3>for self for one thousand dollars, but was never paid

1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:05.920
<v Speaker 3>by the State of Texas, or at least that's what

1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:10.920
<v Speaker 3>they say. Tragically, a faulty stovepipe burned the entire State

1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Capitol Building to the ground, including the painting, so the

1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:17.400
<v Speaker 3>original painting is gone today.

1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:19.080
<v Speaker 4>What we have is replicas.

1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Crockett would die two years after the painting was complete,

1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:30.000
<v Speaker 3>and Chapman wrote a memoir about painting Crockett called Reminiscences

1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:35.160
<v Speaker 3>of Colonel David Crockett. Chapman wrote, quote, with all the

1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:41.720
<v Speaker 3>disadvantages consequent upon deficiency and timely educational training, Colonel Crockett's

1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.919
<v Speaker 3>command of verbal expression was very remarkable. Say what he might,

1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:50.400
<v Speaker 3>his meaning could never be misinterpreted. He expressed opinions and

1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:55.919
<v Speaker 3>told his stories with unhesitating clearness of diction, often embellished

1:04:55.960 --> 1:05:00.160
<v Speaker 3>with graphic touches of original wit and humor, sparkling and

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<v Speaker 3>even startling, yet never out of place or obtrusively ostentatious.

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<v Speaker 3>As for his backwoods slang, it fell upon the ear

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<v Speaker 3>meaningly and consistent as the crack of his rifle, or

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<v Speaker 3>the halloo from a hurricane or from a cane break.

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<v Speaker 3>It was to him truly a mother tongue in which

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<v Speaker 3>his ideas flowed most naturally and found most empathetic and

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<v Speaker 3>unrestrained utterance during the progressive intimacy that grew out of

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<v Speaker 3>familiar intercourse with Colonel Crockett. While engaged upon his portrait,

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<v Speaker 3>he rarely, if ever, exhibited, either in conversation or manner,

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<v Speaker 3>attributes of coarseness of character that prevailing popular opinion very

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<v Speaker 3>unjustly assigned him. I cannot recall to mind an instant

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<v Speaker 3>of his indulgence of gasconade or profanity. There was an

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<v Speaker 3>earnestness of truth in his narrations of events circumstances of

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<v Speaker 3>his adventurous life that made it obvious, while the heroic

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<v Speaker 3>type of his grand physical development equal to any emergency

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<v Speaker 3>of achievement. His clear, unfaltering eye, with all gentle and

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<v Speaker 3>sympathetic play of features, telegraphing as it were, directly from

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<v Speaker 3>a true heart overflowing with kind feeling and impulse, irresistibly

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<v Speaker 3>dispelled suspicion of insincerity and braggartism. The ease and readiness

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<v Speaker 3>with which Colonel Crockett adapted himself to circumstances of personal

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<v Speaker 3>position and intercourse were remarkable, at times even masterly. He

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<v Speaker 3>would seem to catch in the first moment of introduction

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<v Speaker 3>the tone and characteristics of a new acquaintance, and was

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<v Speaker 3>well to comprehend and rarely failed and agreeably confirming pre

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<v Speaker 3>entertained opinions in reference to himself.

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<v Speaker 4>End of quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that was some incredible writing and description. It seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to be moved by the accounts of these portrait painters.

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<v Speaker 3>If you recall, a young painter by the name of

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<v Speaker 3>Chester Harding traveled to Missouri in eighteen twenty and painted

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<v Speaker 3>the only portrait of Daniel Boone we have. Just months

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<v Speaker 3>before his death, Chester Harding wrote a fascinating piece about

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<v Speaker 3>meeting the elderly Boone. Here's what he wrote, Remember this

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<v Speaker 3>is Boone. In June of this year, I made a

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<v Speaker 3>trip of one hundred miles for the purpose of painting

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<v Speaker 3>the portrait of Colonel Daniel Boone. I had much trouble

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<v Speaker 3>finding him. He was living some miles from the road

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<v Speaker 3>in one of the old cabins of an old block house,

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<v Speaker 3>which was built for the protection of the settlers against

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<v Speaker 3>the incursion the Indians. I found that the nearer I

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<v Speaker 3>got to his dwelling, the less was known of him.

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<v Speaker 3>When within two miles of his house, I asked a

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<v Speaker 3>man to tell me where Colonel Boone lived, he said

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<v Speaker 3>he did not know of any such man. Why, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you do, said his wife. It's that white haired old

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<v Speaker 3>man who lives on the bottom near the river. A

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<v Speaker 3>good illustration that a prophet is not without honor save

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<v Speaker 3>his own country. End of quote. For some reason, that

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<v Speaker 3>passage almost brings me to tears every time I read it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know why. Harding went on, and he wrote,

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<v Speaker 3>I found the object of my search engaged in cooking

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<v Speaker 3>his dinner. He was lying on his bunk near the fire,

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<v Speaker 3>and had a long strip of venison wound around his ramrod,

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<v Speaker 3>and was busy turning it before a brisk blaze and

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<v Speaker 3>using salt and pepper to season his meat. I at

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<v Speaker 3>once told him the object of my visit. I found

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<v Speaker 3>he hardly knew what I meant. I explained the matter

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<v Speaker 3>to him, and he agreed to sit. He was eighty

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<v Speaker 3>six years old and rather infirm. His memory of passing

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<v Speaker 3>events was much impaired, Yet he would amuse me every

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<v Speaker 3>day by his anecdotes of his earlier life. I asked

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<v Speaker 3>him one day, just after his description of one of

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<v Speaker 3>his long hunts, if he never got lost, having no compass.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he said, I can't say I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.

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<v Speaker 4>End of quote.

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<v Speaker 3>The intimacy with which these portrait painters interact with people

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<v Speaker 3>to create their art, and the pictorial expression of their

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<v Speaker 3>candidate's humanity births a unique angled story, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it may be one of the most accurate. Clearly they're

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<v Speaker 3>viewing these people in their best light, perhaps even an

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<v Speaker 3>idealized one. But who is qualified to tell the story

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<v Speaker 3>of any man? What angle gives the clearest, most true

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<v Speaker 3>version of a human Every man has his own version

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<v Speaker 3>of his life, which is one version. His enemies also

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<v Speaker 3>have a version, his family, his friends, and even the

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<v Speaker 3>people that never knew him. Who do we believe to

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<v Speaker 3>interpret for us who a man is? Let me ask

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<v Speaker 3>you a question, who do you hope gets to release

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<v Speaker 3>the canonized version of your story. Brothers and Sisters, you

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<v Speaker 3>may have already seen my hand, but I love Crockett.

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<v Speaker 3>But perhaps by contrasting these two portrait sessions of these

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<v Speaker 3>great American backwoodsmen, we can see the differences in these men.

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<v Speaker 3>Boone was just so much less aware of his own fame,

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<v Speaker 3>and that lends him credibility to me. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>believe that Crockett was a good man, really an incredible

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<v Speaker 3>man who wore his flaws on his sleeve. And though

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of disappointed with the way Crockett would handle

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<v Speaker 3>his fame, as we're going to talk about in just

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<v Speaker 3>a seconds, it seems like a lot to ask a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who came from absolute poverty on the backwoods frontier

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<v Speaker 3>of America to get this global fame and just respond

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<v Speaker 3>with perfect humility in this idealized way that I have

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<v Speaker 3>in my mind. It just doesn't seem fair. Did I

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<v Speaker 3>ever tell you about the time he stopped to pay

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<v Speaker 3>a widow a one dollar debt that he owed her

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<v Speaker 3>husband from ten years before. Did I tell you about

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<v Speaker 3>the bill he sponsored that kept freed slaves from being

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<v Speaker 3>able to be repurchased. Did I tell you that he

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<v Speaker 3>owned some slaves in his lifetime. Here's Robert Morgan on

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<v Speaker 3>Crockett's demise.

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<v Speaker 5>And Crockett was so really intoxicated by all this adulation,

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<v Speaker 5>apparent adulation and the play about him. Everybody knew it

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<v Speaker 5>was about him been so successful, and they laughed at it,

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<v Speaker 5>and they forgot they were laughing at it. So that

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<v Speaker 5>on new yr work and they put him from fancy hotels,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's that would turn any of us. Really, we

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<v Speaker 5>find it hard to resist that he kind of went

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<v Speaker 5>for it, and it probably was the most disastrous thing

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<v Speaker 5>he had done in his whole life. It was more

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<v Speaker 5>damning than losing his mill on the flood or his

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<v Speaker 5>flat boats on the Mississippi. Yeah, it hurt him more.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it really hurt him when he lost that

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<v Speaker 5>election in eighteen thirty one and then again in eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>thirty five and went off to Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that ominous trip to Texas. Crockett's book tour cost

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<v Speaker 3>him the election in eighteen thirty one and again in

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen thirty five, and he never recovered. On the next

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<v Speaker 3>and final episode, we're going to dive in deep into

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<v Speaker 3>Crockett's last stand at the Alamo and all the drama

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<v Speaker 3>and controversy that surrounds it. I can't thank you enough

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<v Speaker 3>for listening to I hope you're enjoying Brent Reeves this

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<v Speaker 3>country life podcast, and I look forward to talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the folks on the Render next week. Be thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>whether you think Crockett should be in the Bear Grease

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Fame.