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Speaker 2: And of course, selfishly, there's so many people me and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think Warriors is really a love

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Speaker 2: the same way I would look at myself, like a

437
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Speaker 2: project that I that I helped create, that I helped,

438
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, and vice versa. She she helped me. Really,

439
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't be who truly, I wouldn't be

440
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: who I am without you, and even thinking to our

441
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 2: first you know, conversation on this podcast, it was so

442
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: much of the things that I said, you know, we're

443
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 2: in honor of her, and conversations that I've had with

444
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: her they gave and shot at her out in the book.

445
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: I was just like, Ali, yeah, I just I wouldn't

446
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: have believed in my depth if it wasn't for her,

447
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 2: just really calmly next to me, being like, you're good,

448
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: you got this, you have it too, and me vice

449
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: versa with you know, wearing that dress or doing those

450
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: you know, more of those exterior things of like not

451
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: like the time is now, like put on that dress,

452
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: let's get your like just caring so much so that

453
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: it's okay to care about it, because I think when

454
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Speaker 2: you're so vulnerable about a specific attribute that you don't

455
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 2: feel confident in, you almost want to pretend not to

456
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: care about it because you're like, ah, like I don't

457
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: care about how I look her. It's fine, I don't

458
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: care if I know math or whatever. But it's actually

459
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Speaker 2: where you care deeply.

460
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Speaker 4: But you're also like I should say, Alexis is like

461
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 4: a genie, and she makes her friend streams her dreams.

462
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 4: Like she went to a corporate company to the head,

463
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Speaker 4: marched on his office and said, you're going to hire

464
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Speaker 4: my friend, and how do you?

465
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Speaker 3: Was there?

466
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 4: Actually there was no position, like this didn't exist, and

467
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 4: she convinced this owner of a really successful company to

468
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 4: just create a position for her friend because she was

469
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Speaker 4: in an unhealthy job setting. And so Alexis just does

470
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 4: this for everyone. Like our other friend almost lost her

471
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: script and she was calling eight different agents. She's just

472
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Speaker 4: really supportive. And I think that's the beauty is she's

473
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 4: the archetype of the ruler, which means she serves her people,

474
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 4: and so she makes everyone's dreams belong to her. And

475
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 4: I think that's the key, is like you have to

476
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Speaker 4: nurture your friend's dreams like they're your own too.

477
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Speaker 2: And the mudicians, so tell them, tell them a little

478
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Speaker 2: bit about that.

479
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've done.

480
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Speaker 2: This actually with the community.

481
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Speaker 4: There's there's a book by Carol Pearson and I think

482
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Speaker 4: it's called the Twelve Archetypes or something that but if

483
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Speaker 4: you look.

484
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Speaker 2: At them, thank you.

485
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: But it goes to the twelve major archetypes within our

486
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: subconscious and a lot of it is based on Carl

487
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Speaker 4: Jung's psychology, and I personally love storytelling in fairy tales

488
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: as a way to translate wisdom. And so there's this

489
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Speaker 4: book called erth c as well, where this young sorcerer

490
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: releases a demon shadow into the world, and the way

491
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Speaker 4: that he stops it is he gives it his own name.

492
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Speaker 4: And so by naming the shadow, it ceases to have power.

493
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Speaker 4: And when you use these kind of archetypes, rather than

494
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Speaker 4: clinging to one identity of like I am this, I

495
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 4: am that, I'm a Pisces, I'm a you know, Capricorn, whatever.

496
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Speaker 2: It is, I'm a three.

497
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Speaker 4: And he's like, this is the aspect of my subconscious

498
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 4: that I'm wielding right now with this different archetype, And

499
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: so it creates more compassionate understanding, and to me, it

500
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Speaker 4: also helps me name my shadow a lot clearer.

501
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's why I love the archetypes, because

502
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: it's you're never one. It's just what you're building with

503
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: right now. So you could go back and look, Okay,

504
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: the orphan archetype needs more work, or you were saying, America,

505
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: actually the lard we have the most connection to the

506
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: orphan archetype because we all kind of come here for

507
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: this dream or come here from other places, and it's

508
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: kind of the like do I belong here? Where do

509
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: I belong? So I think different countries to also build

510
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: on different archetypes depending on their culture. So it's really interesting.

511
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: And what I found the most funny about all of

512
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: this was the ruler and the magician have this really

513
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: interesting relationship. It's the most volatile pairing.

514
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: I love that because so.

515
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: Look at King Arthur and Merlin. That's a great example.

516
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: They're equally important to each other. But the downfall of

517
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Speaker 4: that would be like a tyrant king I think Geoffrey

518
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 4: from Game of Thrones or something, and then ja'far from Aladdin.

519
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: It's the evil sorcerer and then the wicked ruler.

520
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 4: And so we hold each other accountable in that way

521
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 4: if we're sitting at two opposite ends of this power spectrum,

522
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: and we keep each other from slipping into like evil

523
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: sorcer and tyyrant.

524
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: Whenever we're having a disagreement, I'm like, am I being

525
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: a tired Okay, we're just gonna write a letter like

526
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: please don't unname me.

527
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Speaker 4: But I just love looking at people like characters and

528
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 4: books because it creates so much more compassion, because if

529
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 4: you had a perfect character, it would be really boring

530
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 4: to read about. You know. It's all those idiosyncrasies that

531
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: make them so unique.

532
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: So I think that helps too, And that's why I

533
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: think that's truly like her perception of that is why

534
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: I've loved myself so much, because all of these little

535
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: quirks I've had, She's like, keep going, keep doing it.

536
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: Like she'll give me the little check mark in a

537
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 2: conversation with people and I'll just go off. And I

538
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: love it because she kind of gives me permission. She's

539
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: a little permission slip to just, yeah, lean into those

540
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: quirky parts of me that I felt for a really

541
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: long time I needed to like hold back and keep tight.

542
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Speaker 2: And that's been really cool.

543
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: And it's really cool too because her fantasy book, she

545
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: put a character in for me, and that was really

546
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: cool as well, because reading it, I was like, One,

547
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: I'm immortalized, which is crazy. Two I'm awesome, Oh my god,

548
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: is this how you perceive me? Yes. Now, whenever someone says, oh,

549
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: Run's my favorite character in Ali's book, I'm like.

550
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: What I love about? What it's bringing out for me.

551
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: Going back to the question of envy, is that what

552
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: I found is that when you understand your place and

553
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: your pace of growth, which is the archetype, and when

554
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: you understand someone else's place and their pace of growth,

555
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: it allows you to be non envious because it allows

556
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: you to see that you're moving at your own pace

557
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: and you have a place forever, and that that person

558
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: does too. And I find that the reason we experience

559
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: env is because we don't know where we stand and

560
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: we kind of like where someone else stands, even though

561
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: that may not be the platform for us to be on.

562
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: And so it's this constant tug in war between I

563
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: like this person, but I also want to be like them,

564
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: and actually, not only do I want to be like them,

565
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be liked that much. And

566
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: that's where envy kind of takes over so much of

567
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: a friendship. So I'm so glad you talked about the

568
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: archetypes a little bit. Is there a test that people

569
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: can take, Like, if people want to understand the archetype,

570
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: how would you suggest they go about that?

571
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Carol Pearson has a website and then if you

572
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: get the book too, it's in the book.

573
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: It's a large books.

574
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Speaker 4: It's a huge book for a textbook, but I like

575
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 4: it because it's it's fluid. You know, it's not as

576
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: awakening the heroes awakening all right.

577
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: If anyone's listening. And I love that.

578
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: And you've been teaching that in Warriors as well. That's

579
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: been something that you've been sharing with your community.

580
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: Literally anything, we'll just like pick up a book or

581
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: we'll have a conversation. I mean, I remember I was

582
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: literally last week when to her crying about not going

583
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: to say on this podcast. But I was like, and

584
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: then she's slowly like, I'm going to write the Warrior

585
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Workshop and what was it? Navigating the unknown?

586
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 4: There's been so many times when we've just created workshops

587
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: around what we're personally experienced because it's resonance, and so yeah,

588
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: we'll make workshops around anything that feels very alive in

589
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 4: the moment, because I find the girls are often going

590
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: through similar things in their own way.

591
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that, Actually, what would you say,

592
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: having built this community, You've had thousands of women who've

593
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: been a part of this community.

594
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: It's growing.

595
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: If you had to pick and I know this is

596
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: a hard exercise, but I want to do it for

597
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: the basis of our conversation today. If you had to

598
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Speaker 1: pick the top three challenges, and we'll just start with

599
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: the top one challenge that you hear, would you feel

600
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: is that the root of so many women's challenges in

601
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: your community, and of course broader than that too.

602
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: What is that? One?

603
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: Two, three? What are those three things? In no particular order,

604
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: but what would you say those themes are that are

605
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: holding women back, that they're constantly perplexed by, that they

606
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: are feeling limited restricted by.

607
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: What would they be?

608
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Speaker 2: The first one that came to my mind is really

609
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: knowing and understanding your own femininity, because I think this

610
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: is especially in America, it's very like masculine dominated to

611
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: build your empire, blah blah blah, and I think we

612
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: get as females, get really lost in that because the female,

613
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: you know, energy is to attract and the male energy

614
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: is to like make happen, and both are needed, but

615
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: so many girls they kind of spin out, even just

616
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: from a biological level, you know, there's we're a different

617
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: person every single week. Then they feel like they have

618
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: to like push down the doors the way with that

619
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: masculine energy forever and they're exhausted, being like, is this

620
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: live in my dream life? And I'm like, no, it's

621
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: just a belief you're having that's probably not helping you.

622
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: And so we kind of will help them break down

623
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: what those beliefs are. But it usually has to do

624
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: with them not honoring their feminity in some way, shape

625
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 2: or form, and we have to remind each other of

626
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 2: that because even with the podcast, like this idea of

627
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: divine timing has been so helpful because when I, you know,

628
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: went into more of the business side of things, it

629
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: was like, there's a deadline we have, but no, now,

630
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: even when it didn't feel good, we would just kind

631
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: of stick to these deadlines. But with the podcast, it

632
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: was like, we're gonna launch this month, No we're not. Okay,

633
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: keep it moving, and we just kind of kept waiting

634
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: and waiting and waiting until yeah, you're in conversation. Yeah,

635
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: And we just kind of waited until it was the

636
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: right moment at the right time, and all all of

637
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: the you know, components came together so beautifully, and so

638
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: that was what that's when I was like, Okay, there's

639
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: this theme happening here. And even with the girls as well.

640
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: There's this theme of kind of running up to this

641
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: wall and then trying to push it, as opposed to

642
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: letting the opening of the cave, you know, come through

643
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: and then walking it. So I think that's definitely one.

644
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that together.

645
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Speaker 1: I think that's such a huge one and I'm fascinated

646
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Speaker 1: by it. How does someone start to embrace or encourage

647
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: their feminine energy in a world that's a masculine dominant

648
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: or at least would you describe it as the masculine

649
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: storyline has been Yeah.

650
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: It's more the storyline. I think it's just you have

651
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: to break down the beliefs. So you have to understand

652
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: what beliefs your It's like the car or what beliefs,

653
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Speaker 2: what wheels the let's say the beliefs are the wheels,

654
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Speaker 2: like what is driving you down that way? And then

655
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Speaker 2: once you understand, okay, that's those are the beliefs that

656
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: have been manifesting this creation, this life. What are the

657
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: beliefs that I would like to have? I still remember

658
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Speaker 2: I was with a friend and we were walking around

659
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Speaker 2: a pond one day and she was like, remember when

660
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Speaker 2: we believed things had to be hard? And I was like,

661
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: I know, so it. You know, belief is a thought

662
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Speaker 2: that you just have over and over and over again

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Speaker 2: until you think it's just your life and it's ingrained

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Speaker 2: into you and it's permanent, when it's really not. So

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Speaker 2: part of that has been just showing people and acting

666
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Speaker 2: is taught a lot for me. I've learned so much

667
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668
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669
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670
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673
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Speaker 1: have made over seven billion dollars. What are some of

698
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Speaker 1: those beliefs, Sally, maybe as well that you think are

699
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: those restricting feminine energy and kind of blocking the women

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Speaker 1: from their potential in the community.

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Speaker 4: I think beauty is a huge one, actually, because beauty

702
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: has provided security for women for thousands of years, primarily

703
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: just you know, if you become this attractive thing, then

704
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: you'll find a mate that can protect you. And so

705
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: people call it, you know, a surface level or whatever

706
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: it might be. But there is like this primal hardware,

707
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: secure purity that we're raging against in a way. And

708
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: I used to live in a house full of musicians

709
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 4: and there was this one guy who could just belt,

710
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: like from the bottom of his soul, and another girl

711
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 4: in the house who could sing so beautifully, but she's

712
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: sang very softly, like she was singing into a bottle.

713
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Speaker 4: And she finally turns to him and she goes, how

714
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Speaker 4: do you sing that way? Like I know that's in me,

715
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 4: but I can't get there. And he says, make an

716
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 4: ugly face, and she makes this like cute little ugly face,

717
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 4: and he said, I said, make a real ugly face,

718
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: and she does, and he said, that's where you need

719
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Speaker 4: to sing from. And then she did, and her voice

720
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Speaker 4: cracked a little, but she belted. And so it's that

721
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Speaker 4: we need permission to kind of break out of this

722
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Speaker 4: porcelain suit that we walk around in nowadays, because that's

723
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Speaker 4: where our power comes from.

724
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's so powerful.

725
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's I feel like all of us can

726
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: relate to that in so many ways, and I feel

727
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: like it's so difficult. It goes back to what Alexis

728
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: was saying earlier, that you've given her the permission to

729
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: have all these quirks and be all of her. And

730
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Speaker 1: I've definitely had that where I feel the people who

731
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: know me the deepest and the most well will say

732
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: to me, Jay, one of the things I love about

733
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: you is I get to talk to you about spirituality, business,

734
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: and media, and there's not many people I could talk

735
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: to about all three of those things, and that's like

736
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: the most It's one of those moments whenever I hear

737
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: that from someone who spent a lot of time with

738
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: me and spend deep time with me, I feel so

739
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: seen because I want to be all those things, and

740
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate all those things, and I admire all those things.

741
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk about my monk life as much

742
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: as I want to talk about media, as much as

743
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: I want to talk about marketing like and H and

744
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I love all of it and I am all of

745
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: it and all of it is me. But I find

746
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: often that I'm forced to choose a box to put

747
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: myself in. It's like, oh, you can either be spiritual

748
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: or your material, or you can either be like you're saying,

749
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: you can either be this porcelain doll, or you can

750
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: be ugly or whatever like that, there's a choice there

751
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden like diff finds who you are.

752
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: Talk to me about some of the practices you both

753
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: have developed. I definitely want to talk about the journal

754
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: as well, but talk to me about some of the

755
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: practices you've developed, because we all know, all three of

756
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: us know that this isn't as simple as just standing

757
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: in front of the mirror and saying things to yourself.

758
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: That's a part of it. But it's like, this is

759
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: a deep, subconscious belief that we're having to rewire, and

760
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: we're doing it at the same time while the propaganda

761
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: and the broadcasting from the world around us is so

762
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: strongly the other way. And so walk me through some

763
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: of the exercises, maybe some of them that are in

764
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: the journal that you love, some that you've practiced. You

765
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: both keep talking about letters, and I know the journal

766
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: is full of letters. So just maybe give me a

767
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: couple of insights and steps and principles eats that you

768
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: feel have been profound for your own journey, or maybe

769
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: you even have stories of people that you've helped that

770
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: they've practiced some of these techniques.

771
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Speaker 2: I feel like all these practices sound like, oh, roll

772
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: my eyes, Okay, fine, I'll write a little five minute

773
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: journal gratitude whatever. Like you think they're not important, but

774
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: when you actually apply them, it's like, whoa a doctor McCall,

775
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: he's this wonderful natopathic doctor. Or that we had on

776
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: the podcast, he was talking about a way to kind

777
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: of deal with a trigger in real time, because I

778
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: think every time there's a trigger, there's a little blockage

779
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: that happens in our body, and disease is the you know,

780
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: physical manifestation of all of these different triggers getting blocked

781
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: in no way out. And one of the things that

782
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: he said in his book was the second that someone

783
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: triggers you, you have to immediately think back and just

784
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: be like, okay, why did that trigger me? Go to

785
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: the little the child's self, and then have a quick

786
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: in the moment, even if you're with them, you literally

787
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: have to do it in my brain. I'm just like, okay,

788
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: why did that trigger me? For instance, I was in

789
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: the car with a friend and there was my car

790
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: went off and saying that there was a flat tire

791
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: and it was the second time this month, and I

792
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: was just like ooh, and I braced myself for this

793
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: really stressful situation that we were going to have, and

794
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: my friend was just like, oh well, and I was like,

795
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: and that triggered me that he was so calm about it.

796
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: And then I asked myself, why am I triggered by

797
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: this tire that it's going to be fine? And then

798
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm also double trigger that he was so calm about it.

799
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: And I realized because my household was so chaotic, that

800
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: one more thing would have blown up the whole, like

801
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: just it was just a compilation of triggers, and we

802
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: the electricity went out and this went out, and so

803
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: all of these tiny little things created this huge explosion

804
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: in my childhood. And so I had this moment where

805
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: I just held myself and I was like, it's okay.

806
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Your family's reactions to these little bad things happening was

807
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: not valid. It wasn't okay for you to see that

808
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: much stress with something that was so easy to fix.

809
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, and you're scene and your love and

810
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: it was the first time where the trigger went away

811
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: instantly and didn't store into my body. So I think

812
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: that was that's been the most transformational thing I've found

813
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: right now.

814
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: I love Yeah, while you were talking about that, I

815
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: can think of so many scenarios where I can see

816
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: that as being practical and useful.

817
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has to you have to do it

818
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: the moment.

819
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: We don't want to do it because you're.

820
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just triggering. I want to sit in the

821
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: hurt because it's.

822
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: Valid Yeah, yeah, I know. I love that.

823
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: I think whatever I get validated for the most in

824
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: life becomes my porcelain suit.

825
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: And so for a while, oh so good. I was

826
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: the deep one, and so I couldn't be funny.

827
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: I was like, let me speak and bumper sticker and

828
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: be as spiritual as possible because that's how I belong.

829
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: And so it's about making the ugly face for me.

830
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: And I had this poetry mentor and I first started

831
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: doing spoken word and I was trying to sound very

832
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 4: melodic and he said, I want you to scream, and

833
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: I screamed the poem and he starts smacking me with

834
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: a pillow and he's like, now jump up and down

835
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: and wave your arms.

836
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, this feels so bad. I don't feel cool

837
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: at all.

838
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: And that was the point, was to just kind of

839
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: slip out of my cool so I could tap into

840
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: what was really honest.

841
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's such a I mean, I can relate

842
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: to that. So that to so many guests where I

843
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: just felt like, I just feel like everyone's just waiting

844
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: for me to say something. And at one point I

845
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: really carried it as a weight where I realized I

846
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: stopped listening to people because I was just thinking in

847
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: my head what to say. And then I realized that

848
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: not only was I never going to say something profound

849
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: if I didn't listen, but that maybe sometimes the most

850
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: profound thing to do was to listen.

851
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: Like that was it, like it didn't even need a word.

852
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: And I remember a famous statement by Saint Francis where

853
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: he said that you should preach wherever you go and

854
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: if necessary, open your mouth.

855
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: And I love that.

856
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: It's like that idea of just like you know, we

857
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: always feel like, yes, saying the thing is is the thing,

858
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, just being present and just

859
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: listening and just being there and like you just said,

860
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: like holding yourself internally during a trigger.

861
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: It's not like you had to say something or repeat something.

862
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: You get a high off of the wisdom, and then

863
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: you don't actually integrate it. At least for me for

864
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: a while, whenever I would hear something profound out of

865
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: my own mouth or I would I would be like

866
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: cos and write it down, and then it just kind

867
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: of became a game as opposed to real integration. I

868
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: can so relate to that, and I resonate so deeply

869
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: with what you're saying about just trying to make something

870
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: profound in life changing because me and Ali personally are exhausted.

871
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to be profound fun and then have

872
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: a good conversation and if it happens, it happens. It doesn't,

873
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't, But like letting it be what it is,

874
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: as opposed to trying to put the moment in a box.

875
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: In a way, I've seen that with all my friends

876
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: who are you know, successful comedians. I'm sure we have

877
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: people in common, like they just feel the pressure that

878
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: if they're not funny at dinner, and they're not funny

879
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: at breakfast, and they're not funny at lunch, it's like

880
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: people are going to think, oh, you're not that funny,

881
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: You're not that interesting, and they're like, well, no, there's

882
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: so much more to me. And it's giving yourself that

883
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: permission and also recognizing we live in a society where

884
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: it's like we think when we meet a dentist, they're

885
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: analyzing our teeth, like that's all they must think about today.

886
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: And they're not.

887
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: They're not thinking about that, and and but we are.

888
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's such an important that's such an

889
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: important tool and principle. I remember when Russ came on

890
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: the podcast. He talks about how when all of his

891
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: squad and his crew would come into the studio, he

892
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: would try and act cool, and he'd make the worst music.

893
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: And so he said his favorite thing to do was

894
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: get everyone out the studio and make weird sounds into

895
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: the microphone and stand in weird places and do really

896
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: strange things, kind of like what you're saying, because he

897
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: said that was the only way I could break the mold,

898
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: because if my friends were in there, I was just

899
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: trying to look and sound cool. And I think everyone

900
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: has their version of it, whether you're a rapper, whether

901
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: you're a teacher or a guide, or whether you're.

902
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: Acting as well like me and my friends, we like

903
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: host little acting classes, just the three of us. But

904
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: like one of these acting techniques that we do is

905
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: just like follow your little child self, Like if you

906
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: want to lay down, if you want to look at

907
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: yourself the mirror, if you want to jump up down.

908
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: It's like knowing what those intuitive pulses are is what

909
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: gets you into that flow state. But if you don't

910
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: know what it is, and because everyone's different in their

911
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: own way and how they pull out the creativity or

912
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: the profoundness or the flow state, whatever it is. I

913
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: think that's what's so almost ironic about this whole, the

914
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: whole spiritual journey, because it's realizing that it was just

915
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: supposed to be fun and oh we were just supposed

916
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: to be children all along, just like kind of playing

917
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: with it and having fun and taking all of that

918
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: weight and knowledge off of it so then wisdom can integrate,

919
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: because that was literally our entire life like for the

920
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: last two years has just been like, oh.

921
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: Fun, yeah, what What's something else would you say that

922
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: the community struggles with? So we started with that big

923
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: one is what else is there? What else comes up

924
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: for people?

925
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: I mean just basic adult things like how to regulate

926
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: your own nervous system and do taxes. You know, I

927
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: don't know why those are the two most valuable things

928
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: as an adult in modern society.

929
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you need to know, but I.

930
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: Feel like you're not really prepared for life and traditional schooling,

931
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: and so that's a huge passion. It's just you know,

932
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: bringing on financial educators, bringing on breathwork teachers, meditation teachers,

933
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: and really just handing tools to these women. It's the

934
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: teacher man a fish story, you know.

935
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the that's the difference. It's like,

936
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: we're not coming on here being a therapist. We're just

937
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: coming on here being big sisters, being like, here are

938
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: the right questions so you can get to your answers,

939
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: but that you have to learn how to get there yourself,

940
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: because that's what being a leader is. And that's what's

941
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: so cool because then on the reverse end of that,

942
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: watching girls go from seventeen to twenty two years old

943
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: and seeing that growth, it is the most fulfilling thing ever.

944
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: Just knowing that our work with some of our girls

945
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: will go on to their parenting and their life partners

946
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: and the people around them and their friends, and it's

947
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: just it's incredible to see the ripple effect of that

948
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: deeper work. It's so cool because we're like our warriors

949
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: are kind of like little light bulbs just glowing walking

950
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: around the earth, you know, spreading what it means to

951
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: live a fulfilled life and not be afraid of that desire.

952
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: And it's amazing you're working with women as young as seventeen,

953
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's incredible. I love that people are starting

954
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: that early and doing the work and finding that mentorship

955
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: and advice because I feel like we're all trying to

956
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: come to as early as we possibly can.

957
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: Then I know, it's like that's a competition itself. That's

958
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 2: something that I've noticed too, is a lot of people

959
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: who are older than me, not by much, but they're like, oh,

960
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: I wish I had that wisdom when I was your age,

961
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's not a competition, it's really not,

962
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: because this information, this knowledge, this wisdom sometimes weighed me

963
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: down as to what you were saying, because then it

964
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: put me in this box that I need to always

965
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: fill and make sure people see and value me in

966
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: that box. And for a while, for me, it was

967
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: beauty and looks and like that felt so like Okay,

968
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: this is this is my little value box. I'm sit

969
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: in here and do the best that I can and

970
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: like work and be the best of that that I

971
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: can be. Being so afraid of not being loved when

972
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: you know, I had a pimple, which it sounds so silly,

973
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: but it's so deeply rooted into us. But yeah, no,

974
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: like the experience being human in all different ways. But

975
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: what I've noticed too is when you finally realize you're

976
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: in a box, you're like, I'll just get a bigger box.

977
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: I just jumped to bigger boxes. And that's why, like

978
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: you know, when we were talking about spoken word and poetry,

979
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: it's like I wrote that one poem about paradoxes and

980
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: how it's kind of just like it's both. It's not

981
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: this or that, it's always going to be both. And

982
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: that's why when you're looking for another box, you're already

983
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: in the wrong. Because for a while I was like, Okay,

984
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: if I don't want to be valued for just my looks,

985
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: then I'm going to do this and I'm going to

986
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: get into business. And I just added more boxes. I

987
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: didn't really evolve. But the beautiful thing about growth is

988
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: sometimes the outside doesn't have to change for the growth

989
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: to happen. And I think that's what was so cool

990
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: is when I realized, like, hey, I actually love dressing

991
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: up and being beautiful and feeling beautiful and validating my

992
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: friends for wanting to do that too, and telling them

993
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: to wear that up and telling them that we're going

994
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: out having all that, and knowing that it's coming from

995
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: this pure twelve year old, like just homeschooled girl that

996
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: you know, had nowhere to go, but just love fashion

997
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: so much that she wanted to make it happen. And

998
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: so externally nothing has changed, but my why has been

999
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: integrated so deeply that it feels now light and exciting

1000
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: and happy. And then also understanding that wisdom itself comes

1001
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: from those life experiences, and then also trusting that wisdom

1002
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: can come from peace as well. I think for a

1003
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: really long time I was I thought, Okay, if my

1004
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: life isn't chaotic and there isn't these big lessons or

1005
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: these things happening, that I'm not evolving, And then that

1006
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: was just a belief I had. But when I realized

1007
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: I could evolve and be in peace and go through

1008
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: these motions and actually learn some of the deepest lessons

1009
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: from the simplest of things. That's when I got exciting again,

1010
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: because I didn't have to be on a rollercoaster anymore.

1011
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, thank god.

1012
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: You've reminded me of something I wanted to read it.

1013
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: I just brought it up here because we're all on

1014
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: the same page about this idea of just we've got

1015
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: to be able to look at our ugly side, our

1016
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: dark side, our shadows. So we've got to be able

1017
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: to look at the subconscious and rewire our beliefs. We've

1018
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: got to be able to then take action on it

1019
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: outside and like you just beautifully said, like we do

1020
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: just end up looking for bigger boxes or more boxes

1021
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: to define ourselves. But I think often what's not talked

1022
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: about is the discomfort in those transitions and how hard

1023
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: it is to go from someone who says, well, all

1024
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm valued for is for my looks. Now I'm going

1025
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: to get into business. And it reminded me of this speech,

1026
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: and that's why I want to read parts of it.

1027
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find the right part. This was

1028
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift speech, and I believe it was at

1029
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: the Billboard Awards years ago. Now it was a long

1030
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: long time ago, but it was so powerful. I've seen

1031
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: the video for it, and she said, let me just

1032
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: find the exact part. So Taylor Swift said, And now

1033
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: I realized that this is just what happens to a

1034
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: woman in music if she achieved success or power beyond

1035
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: people's comfort level. I now have come to expect that

1036
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: with good news comes some sort of pushback. But I

1037
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: didn't know that then. So then I decided that I

1038
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: would be the only songwriter on my third album, Speak Now,

1039
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: and that I would talk constantly, work on my vocals

1040
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: every day, and perfect my stamina in the live show.

1041
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: I decided I would be what they said I couldn't be.

1042
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know then that soon enough people would decide

1043
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: on something else I wasn't quite doing right, and the

1044
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: circle would keep going on and on and rolling along,

1045
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: and I would keep accommodating over correcting in an effort

1046
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: to appease my critics. They're saying I'm dating too much

1047
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: in my twenties. Okay, I'll stop and just be single

1048
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: for years now. They're saying my album Red is filled

1049
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: with too many breakup songs. Okay, I'll make one about

1050
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: moving to New York and deciding that really, my life

1051
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: is more fun with just friends. Okay, they're saying my

1052
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: music is changing too much for me to stay in

1053
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: country music, all right. Okay, here's an entire genre shift

1054
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: and a pop album called nineteen eighty nine.

1055
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: Oh you heard it? Sick.

1056
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: Now it's that I'm showing you too many pictures of

1057
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: me with my friends. Okay, I can stop doing that too.

1058
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Now I'm actually a calculated minute rather than a smart

1059
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: business woman. Okay, I'll disappear from public view for years.

1060
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Now I'm being cast as a villain too. Okay, here's

1061
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: an album called Reputation, and there are lots of snakes everywhere.

1062
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: In the last ten years, I've watched as women in

1063
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: this industry are criticized and measured up to each other

1064
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: and picked out for their bodies and their romantic lives

1065
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: and their fashion. Or have you heard someone say about

1066
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: a male artist, I really like his songs, but I

1067
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. There's just something about him

1068
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: I just don't like. No, that criticism is reserved for us.

1069
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

1070
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, there's watching that video of the way she delivers

1071
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: that speech is so powerful, Like I.

1072
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: Didn't do it justice at all.

1073
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: It's really powerful, but I feel like it's that constant

1074
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: shape shifting that we all go through. It's like you

1075
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: found your porcelain doll version and then you've realized it

1076
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: wasn't you, so you decided to expand because you got

1077
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: criticized for perfecting that thing. And it's almost like we

1078
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: all go through that cycle where you practice something and

1079
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: everyone likes you, or you start something and everyone laughs

1080
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: at you. You practice something and everyone likes you and

1081
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: you perfect and then everyone criticizes you, and then you

1082
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: keep doing that on so many other levels. How do

1083
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: you help yourselves and help others go through those uncomfortable

1084
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: transitions because that moment you're being criticized for the thing

1085
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: you thought everyone wanted you to do all the thing

1086
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: that you thought you wanted to do is probably the hardest.

1087
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: Part of it.

1088
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminds me of what we were talking about

1089
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: with making me a hero or a villain, and.

1090
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: The opening my fantasy book, the first line is make

1091
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 4: me neither a hero nor a villain, both live within

1092
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: all of us. Make me into whatever you need, but

1093
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 4: don't take away my humanity by making a hero out

1094
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: of me.

1095
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 3: So good, I love that, and that's so true.

1096
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: It's true because like once you get it's just in

1097
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: our nature. When a person gets at a certain point,

1098
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable for everyone, and then it's like all right,

1099
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: time to pull them down from that level, pull the

1100
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: level ground.

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00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: Also, no living thing does well under a microscope. I mean,

1102
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: I can't imagine if we all were judging each other's

1103
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 4: actions twenty four hours a day. And I think that's

1104
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: why the conversation about shape shifting and being fluid. Maybe

1105
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 4: your core essence is the same and your values remain

1106
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: the same, but whatever shape it takes, you know, life

1107
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: is a dance.

1108
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that is part of the service

1109
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: for me too, is that? And I know you posted

1110
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: about this, Alexis. I thought you post something about this,

1111
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: like I think it was a year or two back,

1112
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: and it was a really thoughtful caption around what I

1113
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: can't remember the exact language you use, but this idea

1114
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: of what pseudo spirituality looks like.

1115
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember that we went off about.

1116
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just that idea of just like how I

1117
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: think part of it is. You know, I always grew

1118
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: up believing that spiritual people were poor and that materialistic

1119
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: people had things, and I was so wrong. I was like,

1120
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, spiritual people are abundant, like you know, it's

1121
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: it's such an important quality of a spiritual individual. And

1122
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: to me that became so much more prominent as I

1123
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: grew older and matured and recognized the value as opposed

1124
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: to this belief system that you know, you don't, you can't,

1125
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have anything, and you can't have anything, and

1126
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: you can't create value for others, and not realizing that

1127
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: we have a full team of people across the world

1128
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: who are all working on a mission, who are providing

1129
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: for their families because we are going out there and

1130
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: building something abundant.

1131
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: This isn't about me.

1132
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: This is about so many people being supported, and we

1133
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: often missed that in our world of I've just got

1134
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: to take care of myself and no one else.

1135
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: And so are you? Are you pretty good with balancing

1136
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: the feminine and masculine in yourself?

1137
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: I really want to talk about it with you too,

1138
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: So you're going to have to tell me whether I am,

1139
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: but you're going to have to teach us. And it's

1140
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: so funny because I've had three people in my life

1141
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: say something to me that when I first heard it,

1142
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: I was like, watch what you're saying, and then now, yeah, exactly,

1143
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, no, that's me. So I've had

1144
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: three people say this to me over the last like

1145
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: eight years. Jay, you have the perfect balance of masculine

1146
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: and feminine in the way you approach life. And the

1147
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: first time I heard that, I was like, you what

1148
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: you know? And my masculine ones triggered. And then now

1149
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I really appreciate. I hope that's true, and

1150
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm working on it. I think that's because

1151
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: I was raised by my mom and that's where the

1152
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: strong and my mom's actually in the house right now,

1153
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: she's visiting, but that's where the strong feminine energy came from.

1154
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I have very masculine qualities, tendencies, drives, ambitions.

1155
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: But I'd love to understand more about the two through

1156
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: both of you, because I know this is a space

1157
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: you both talk about. I think our community would be

1158
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: so fascinated to hear about it from you, because I

1159
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: think we've started to think of the masculine feminine energy

1160
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: as gender and it's just getting complicated. So let's talk

1161
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: about it, and then you can tell me whether I

1162
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: am or not.

1163
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I should preface this with I'm not an

1164
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: expert or guru on this topic at all.

1165
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: I just love and experience life experience.

1166
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: I just also love reading books. But I would say

1167
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: the feminine is kind of built to navigate the unknown.

1168
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 4: Even in the way we bring life into the world.

1169
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 4: It's like we're bringing thing unknown into the known, and

1170
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 4: the masculine is really great at navigating the known.

1171
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: It's like the mind and the heart. You know.

1172
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: You can use your mind to analyze and decide what

1173
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 4: to do based on what's real and what's right in

1174
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 4: front of you here and now, but the mind can't

1175
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 4: future cast and figure things out. And yet the heart

1176
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: is what guides us blindly through these moments. And so

1177
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: that's kind of how I differentiate it. But it's obviously

1178
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: really complex subject with lots of layers.

1179
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: And I like, for me, I look at it as

1180
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: like nature, you know. I think, like the God is

1181
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: the masculine, and Mother Earth is the nature, and like,

1182
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: look how chaotic and like unforgiving but beautiful and incredible

1183
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: our nature is. And so I think it's like the

1184
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: two their lovers, they're they're a part of all of us.

1185
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: And so it's it's more of an energetic conversation as

1186
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: opposed to and it's and it's a way of being

1187
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: in the world. And for me, I naturally fall into

1188
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: my masculinity because I didn't have really much of a

1189
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: father growing up, and when my mom passed away, it

1190
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, gotta like parent myself right now, like

1191
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: let's get it going, and like I can do this.

1192
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: And then she's she always falls really deep into her feminine.

1193
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: Like we always joke like I'm the husband, maybe wear that.

1194
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: But because I know that, and because I have that awareness,

1195
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: I balance myself out. I do things, for instance, with

1196
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: my physical body, I do things that are very feminine

1197
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: like ballet or yoga and slower pilates, Like I go

1198
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: slower because I know my internal natural reaction to life

1199
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: in general is more of a masculine. Like we're just

1200
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: going to both, like buldoze through this. Once you understand

1201
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: kind of your initial reactions to things, you'll understand, Okay,

1202
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: do I come from more of the feminine or do

1203
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: I come from more of the masculine? And learning to

1204
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: balance that obviously, it's just it's a journey, as is

1205
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: life and life is just the classroom that we're all

1206
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: just going to sit in for the rest of whatever

1207
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: this dimension is. And so I think the masculine and

1208
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: the feminine is one of is one of the bigger

1209
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: lessons that we have, because that's even in like the

1210
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: Hermetic Principles, it talks about the principle of gender and

1211
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: how there's always a masculine and feminine And it's not

1212
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: what you're saying. It's not black and white, it's not

1213
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, the biology of it. It's truly like an

1214
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 2: energetic field that we use to navigate this universe and

1215
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: this dimension specifically. And then I want you to talk

1216
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: a little bit about how you've integrated the masculine in

1217
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: your life, because you've done a really good job at that.

1218
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think when I was very extreme in my

1219
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: feminine it was very hard to actually use my will

1220
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: to create things where I would have an idea for

1221
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: a book, but I wouldn't write the book. And so

1222
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: integrating that I realized, oh, okay, the masculine is it's almost

1223
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 4: like a.

1224
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: Chariot that you can write. It'll get you where you

1225
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: need to go.

1226
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: Then you can get off.

1227
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you can get off and you can rest,

1228
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: which I'm you know, we're working on in our modern culture.

1229
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: It's a little difficult to do nothing, but I try

1230
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: and weigh now what life is asking of me. Am

1231
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 4: I meant to bring my feminine energy into this moment?

1232
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 4: Am I meant to be patient and nurturing and navigate

1233
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: that unknown space? Or am I meant to use force

1234
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 4: and will? And you know it's like the door's not opening,

1235
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: let me kick it down.

1236
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes it's also nice to look at

1237
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: the energies as archetypes, like inside out. Yeah, have you

1238
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: seen the second.

1239
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: Go with you?

1240
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: Guys have seen it, I'll see together. I like the

1241
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: second one better than the first set. But what helps

1242
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: is it just once again with back with the archetypes.

1243
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 2: It helps kind of personify these different energies in us.

1244
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: And then we just like after inside out too, some

1245
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: profound stuff, guys. I had such compassion for my anxiety.

1246
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my god, you've caught me so far.

1247
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. You've literally exhausted my body, but thank you

1248
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: so much for getting me here and preparing me over preparation.

1249
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: My God, calm down, but thank you. And I felt

1250
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: such gratitude for her, and I also felt I felt

1251
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: love for anxiety for the first time in my life.

1252
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: And then through that, I think joy and anxiety. And

1253
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: I noticed this with my dog. We're on the way

1254
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: to the park. She's like so excited and then all

1255
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 2: of a sudden, she has anxiety and she's whining and crying,

1256
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god. Same. That's so true

1257
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: because it's such a it's such a similar energy. Even

1258
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: coming here. I'm like, I'm excited for this podcast, So

1259
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: you're not nervous, You're excited.

1260
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: I was just.

1261
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: But we get those energies mixed up. But they also

1262
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: they kind of service each other in a way, so

1263
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: that was really fun. It just it takes once again.

1264
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: I think our journey right now with our wisdom is

1265
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: taking off the weight of all of it and also

1266
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: not expecting it to come out with something profound every

1267
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: single time and just enjoying the moment for it. And

1268
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: I think when we personify those emotions, it gives us

1269
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: an opportunity to immediately giggle about it. Honestly, I think

1270
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: for us laughter has been it's everything, Like sometimes you

1271
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: just need a giggle, Like sometimes it's too soon, but

1272
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: I'm my goal. I know, I cracked jokes way too

1273
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: soon and everyone's just silent, and then someone goes that

1274
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: that was too soon. I'm oops. And then I wait

1275
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: another month and then I say an never one last,

1276
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, I'll figure out.

1277
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: Then when when did she tho?

1278
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: When is she for the stars? Land on the cloud?

1279
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Doory guys? But you know it's it's it's so helpful

1280
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: to have just that comunic relief. And I think that too,

1281
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: like that's actually the fool archetype is what me and

1282
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: now we have been really implementing and love like the

1283
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: Jack Sparrow kind of just everything happens to you, one

1284
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: of my favorite characters, and just yeah, even like the

1285
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: Dunkin Trustle and the mister Brainwash and just like these

1286
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 2: people who have just kind of stumbled ass backward into

1287
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: like this divine life and it's like the legally blonde

1288
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: like what Like it's hard, just like unraveling all of

1289
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: these beliefs I had around success and abundance, like similar

1290
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: with you, where I'm like, oh, this can be fun

1291
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: and almost like a treasure hunt. My manager he's so cute.

1292
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: I love my manager to death. We're best friends.

1293
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: But he was.

1294
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Speaker 2: He was every time he calls me, he's like, guess what,

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01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like what, and he's like, so I found

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Speaker 2: this ring and it was my dad's ring and it

1297
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: was a blue sapphire. And then I go over here

1298
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: and this psychic told me and he just like puts

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: together all of these little clues and I stopped him,

1300
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, it's so beautiful that you look

1301
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: at your life like this little treasure hunt to the

1302
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: divine and the fact that you look at it in

1303
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: that way is why it's unfolding in this beautiful fun

1304
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: like scavenge your hunting way. And it's just a belief

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Speaker 2: he had. So I was like, I'm going to acquire

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Speaker 2: this belief. If you don't mind, I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: this from you. And ever since then, I've just been

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: kind of taking on that full Jacksparre archetype of like

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Speaker 2: just like fall in the shits you.

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Speaker 3: Have, I love it.

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Speaker 1: You know why that comes full circle because I totally

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Speaker 1: just went to kuaiy So they shot one of the

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Speaker 1: Jacksparao scenes on that beachom yeah exactly, yeah exactly, And

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: so when I was there, that's all.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love what you're talking about because I

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: think what's really interesting about it is you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the benefits of actually balancing masculine and feminine energy and

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Speaker 1: how you both have seen value in both. And I

1320
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: think it's so strange because I think the conversation often

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: shifts to, like, well, which one are you prioritizing? So

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Speaker 1: how would you encourage people to think about their balancing

1323
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Speaker 1: of their masculine and feminine and how would you encourage

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Speaker 1: them to kind of navigate that I guess the imbalance

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01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: that they may have, because I I don't think most

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01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: people are trying to think about the balance because we

1327
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: were thinking it's either all yeah, and we're thinking, all, well,

1328
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: masculine energy is what I need because that gets things done.

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Speaker 1: But you're saying, well, what about rest and refuel and

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: nourishment or in your case, you know, balancing your masculine

1331
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Speaker 1: energy with the feminine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the first step is giving a lot

1333
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: of compassion to like once you find out, because I

1334
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: think too we look at spiritual growth in any capacity

1335
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: of like, when we weren't balanced or aligned, we failed.

1336
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: It's just like, no, like the contrast is there to

1337
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: show us the way, like there wouldn't be light without dart.

1338
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Speaker 2: It has to come together. It's both and so honoring. Okay,

1339
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: maybe I've been leaning into my masculine a little bit

1340
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: more and maybe it's been draining my body a lot

1341
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: because I've been trying to force things and make them

1342
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: happen and carve things out of nothing. And Okay, but

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01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: that's also the reason that I'm here and safe and

1344
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: I've survived. So just really like thanking it for helping

1345
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 2: you survive and getting to where you are, because if

1346
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: we go still with that black and white way of

1347
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 2: thinking of oh, that's bad because I've been doing that

1348
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not fulfilled, that's bad and it's like, no,

1349
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: you need it. You just need to understand how to

1350
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: integrate and incorporate it into your life. So I just

1351
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: I want, you know, if there's like a girl you

1352
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: know listening who's like, oh, you know, I would love

1353
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: to feel more feminine. I would love to, you know,

1354
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: have more of that fairy energy inside of me. First

1355
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: is recognizing and giving so much appreciation to that masculine

1356
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: that got you here, because it was there was probably

1357
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: a reason you leaned into the masculine. Our bodies are intelligent,

1358
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: our hearts are intelligent, and we lean into what we

1359
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: need to in order to survive. And so it's like

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Speaker 2: this is incredible, but now it's time to not just

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01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 2: survive anymore, and it's time to truly like get into

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01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: that thriving and then you can look at it as in, now,

1363
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Speaker 2: how do I want to bring this feminine energy into it?

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Speaker 2: So it's both they've been I mean even anxiety. She's

1365
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: just trying to keep me safe, Like she's just trying

1366
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: to keep me prepared for this interview, so I don't

1367
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: see something stupid, like she's just trying to help. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's all there to assist you. This is all intelligently

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01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: created divinely for you. And when you trust that, like

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: that's always the belief I try to get girls too,

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01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: It's like this is all divine. If you can trust

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: that it's all divine, then any scenario that comes your way,

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01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna look for the growth because you're gonna because

1374
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: you know it's meant for you and you're not a

1375
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: victim anymore. So anything bad that happens, I'm like, Okay,

1376
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: what do we do? God? Like, how is this gonna

1377
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, navigate. How is this going to assist my growth?

1378
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: Because it is, because this is a divine because I

1379
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: believe it.

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Speaker 1: One thing you've raised there that I love is this

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01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: idea of how we at one point start to hate things.

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Speaker 3: That helped us survive. Yeah, and it's fascinating.

1383
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: It's like that saved you, that helped you, it got

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01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: you to the other side, and now that it's no

1385
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: longer serving you, we feel like we wasted time. We

1386
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: hate it, we were wrong, we messed up. Rather than

1387
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: going that served me then and now I'll find the

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01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: next thing to serve me, and I'll always honor that.

1389
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: I'll always have a space for that in my life.

1390
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 1: And it's a tool, it's a skill, it's a habit,

1391
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: it's a mindset. I can go back, but I don't

1392
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: have to now hate it and neglect it and negate

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01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: it from having value.

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, or feel embarrassed.

1395
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: Feel embarrassed. Yeah, that's yeah, that's a common emotion.

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I love that first of all, because I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I actually I don't want to spoil inside out,

1399
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 4: but there's a really beautiful scene at the end it

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01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 4: is I won't spoil it, but it's like the visual

1401
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 4: representation of what you just said, and it's really beautiful

1402
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 4: to look out for it. Okay, this is just an

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: inside out ad.

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01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: Apparently exactly sponsor us.

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: It really is one of those brilliant movies.

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 4: I try to look at things in storytelling and even

1407
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 4: archetypically I'm trying to do the opposite of my nature. Like,

1408
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 4: for example, let's say I really had an integrated ruler.

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Speaker 2: The only one.

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01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 4: That is just as powerful as the ruler said the

1411
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 4: magician would be the full because the fool can say

1412
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 4: anything to the king that he wants to not be beheaded,

1413
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: because that's his job to be funny and honest, and

1414
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 4: so he can poke it the king's ego in a

1415
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 4: way that no one else can. And so with the ruler,

1416
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 4: maybe you're more serious and stoic, but maybe you need

1417
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 4: to bring in some of the full archetype.

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01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: And so it's the same with masculine and feminine.

1419
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 4: It's like, what is my impulse, my reactive step that

1420
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 4: I want to take, and can I actually try doing

1421
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 4: the opposite as an experiment and see what happens?

1422
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: And do you bring that in through other people or

1423
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: through activities you do yourself well both.

1424
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: Whatever the moment presents.

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01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 4: You know, if I'm if I'm doing a poem and

1426
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 4: I've done it the same way a hundred times and

1427
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 4: it's gotten a great reaction, I'm like, well, let's let's yell.

1428
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 2: Let's yell and jump up and down and see.

1429
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 4: Because I think, to your point, we need the freedom

1430
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 4: to try new coping mechanisms. We need the freedom to fail.

1431
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 4: That's super important, not just for artists but people in general,

1432
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 4: is to not be so hard on ourselves to be

1433
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: perfect all the time.

1434
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: So I like being perfect time it's impossible. We're just.

1435
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just vo right, Yah.

1436
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: We all love pretending. But it was one of the

1438
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: reasons why I did when I did my tour. You

1439
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: guys didn't come to my show last year, like one

1440
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: of the reasons I did my show in this style.

1441
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: I did it, and you can be honest with me

1442
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: about how you felt about it. But the reason I

1443
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: did it in the way I did was because I

1444
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: wanted to shake off that holier than thou I'm the teacher,

1445
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm the guide.

1446
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: I wanted just that to just go.

1447
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: And so from the moment I came out, it was

1448
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: me making natural jokes, humor. Everything was just real. It

1449
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: was who I am in who I really believe I am,

1450
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: and on stage I feel like I can be three

1451
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty degrees of who I am, which I

1452
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: can't always be in a video or a snapshot or

1453
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And if someone listens to the podcast,

1454
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: they get all of who I am, but it's on

1455
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: stage I can just totally let loose. My real goal

1456
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: of the show was to show people that they could

1457
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: do uncomfortable things. It wasn't that I could tell you

1458
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: the right thing and you could think I'm great. It's

1459
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: that you could see people like you. So I would

1460
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: take people from the audience and they would do some

1461
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: of the most incredible, uncomfortable things live on stage, and

1462
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: it was just random people from the audience that we

1463
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: hadn't prepared with. They weren't staged or casted. It was

1464
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: truly organic, and I loved it. It was beautiful because

1465
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: I was just amazed at the human spirit and resilience

1466
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: and grit, and at the same time I was able

1467
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: to make my audience the star of the show, so

1468
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: people would like There was one girl who came up

1469
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: and she said to me afterwards, she said, Jay, Like,

1470
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: literally I got ten people ran and hugged me after

1471
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: I told my story, or like after I came off stage,

1472
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: like I had seven people approached me and asked me

1473
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: to build community with me. And it was just amazing

1474
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: to kind of create that energy. And that's what it

1475
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: was for me. It's what you both just said. It

1476
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: was like I used it as a creative expression to say,

1477
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: I want to shake off those shackles of what I

1478
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: think people think of me.

1479
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 2: It's exactly what you did. And going back to this

1480
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: idea of instead of giving people the answer, it's more

1481
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: about presenting just more and more honest questions until they

1482
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: get there. That's exactly what you did on stage.

1483
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: Now.

1484
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if I had the balls seet up

1485
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: on that stage. My god, some of those people were

1486
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: so raised. Yeah, the one near there YouTube tha Yeah,

1487
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: And that was incredible because watching them transform through their

1488
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: own answers, like that's that's true just that's true power

1489
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: for an individual. So it was incredible to see that

1490
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: for you instead, because like, yeah, usually like a show

1491
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 2: like that would typically just be you sharing wisdom, but

1492
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: it felt so interactive. So I definitely saw that from

1493
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: my end of it as well. Definitely the Yeah.

1494
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you a bit about this

1495
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: journal you've built and created, because I think that you've

1496
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: thought about journals very differently. I think a lot of

1497
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: journals are very daily, and your journals feels like more

1498
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: like a journey that can kind of begin and wherever

1499
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: you want, which is beautiful. You both have talked about

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: letters this whole time, Yeah, and you encourage letter writing

1501
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: as part of your journaling process. Walk me through your

1502
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: favorite journaling practice in there that could include a letter,

1503
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: may not include a letter that you're so excited for

1504
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: people to do and why they should do it, when

1505
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: they should do it, and what you hope they'll.

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 3: Get out of it.

1507
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: One of my favorites is we have like a letter

1508
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: to Fear essentially, and it's basically you write a letter

1509
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: to fear and then the next you start asking its

1510
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: questions and you kind of start having this really beautiful,

1511
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: fluid conversation with fear. And our goal always is to

1512
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: get people out of this mindset of like bad good,

1513
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,959
Speaker 2: because that is what shields us in all of these boxes.

1514
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: And so with the journal, it's just us sharing and

1515
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: hoping to just show you those honest answers that you

1516
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: guys give where you realize how it all assists you,

1517
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: even your fear, you know. And I also love the

1518
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: one where we even have you talk to death as well.

1519
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: We get into some because I think, you know, Ali

1520
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: points this out beautifully. She was like, you can never

1521
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: truly live if you haven't really faced death in some way,

1522
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: because that's what makes life so valuable and beautiful as

1523
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: knowing that this is temporary, and you also don't really know,

1524
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: like everything becomes clear, you know when when something of

1525
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: that nature happens, and so giving kind of people, Yeah,

1526
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 2: just a little bit of a plant medicine. I'm sure

1527
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: you be a journal and getting them very clear on

1528
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 2: what they want, because when you just ask, like what

1529
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: do you want? It becomes overwhelming you shut down. But

1530
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 2: when you start asking, hey, what have I been shielding

1531
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 2: myself from? What do I envy in people? What triggers

1532
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 2: me the most? Like those types of questions are going

1533
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 2: to get you to what you truly want and desire

1534
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: quicker than any of like more of the forthright coming answers.

1535
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just valuable to climb into perspectives

1536
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 4: other than your own.

1537
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: So there's one where.

1538
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 4: You write yourself a letter as though you're your mother

1539
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 4: or father on the day you're born.

1540
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: There's one where you talk to death. There's some one

1541
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: where you talk to fear.

1542
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: And it's just very important to step outside of yourself,

1543
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 4: especially in forgiveness work or you know, if you need

1544
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 4: to express anger, whatever it is. A journal is a

1545
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 4: place where everything gets to belong. There's something too ugly,

1546
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 4: it just has to be honest.

1547
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 2: That's really then also subconscious writing. That's been one of

1548
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: my favorite tools that we give them. We'll give there's

1549
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 2: like five or six just blank pages and basically we'll

1550
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: give you a subject and you have to write as

1551
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: fast as you can because it will quite literally get

1552
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: to your subconscious And acting coach actually did this with me.

1553
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 2: We're using my dad as a reference for the scene,

1554
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: and she was like, I want you to write as

1555
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: fast as you can about your dad. And by the

1556
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 2: tenth page, I was, you know, crying because I had

1557
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: all of these messages and things come through that I

1558
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: never knew was inside of me, because I finally got

1559
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: through that conscious mind back to the subconscious and it

1560
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 2: finally started talking to me. So you can subconscious write

1561
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: literally about anything, and that's that's why it's so powerful,

1562
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 2: because you could subconscious write without any intention and you'll

1563
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 2: still get to some light bulble moment because it's just finally,

1564
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: it's like meditation. You're writing as fast as your thoughts,

1565
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: so you can't really read it back. Who kind of

1566
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: gets all we're just like riding. Our warriors are like

1567
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 2: I can't feel my hand. They're just like, just keep going,

1568
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: but they always come to these incredible realizations. So that's

1569
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: definitely something I wish that you guys try at some point,

1570
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: whoever's listening. It's really it's an incredible gift. It's kind

1571
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: of like the morning pages from like the Artist's Way,

1572
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: but instead of you know, over analyzing what you're saying

1573
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: and if you're growing and is it working, you just

1574
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 2: you write so fast that there is you and you

1575
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: write the thoughts. So it's like the subconscious writing starts. Hey,

1576
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: I don't really want to do this, this is my

1577
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: hand's already aches. How am I gonna get? How am

1578
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: I gonna write? To head pages? You quite literally have

1579
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: to be super honest with exactly what's going through your brain,

1580
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 2: and that's how you get through.

1581
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you both believe that most of us

1582
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: don't often connect with our subconscious or do we and

1583
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: do we not see the signs?

1584
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 3: How do you feel about I.

1585
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: Guess the question is does our subconscious ever try and

1586
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: communicate with us? Or is it something that we're always

1587
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: having to try and unlation unravel.

1588
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 4: I feel like we're ruled by what remains buried in us.

1589
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 4: And I do a lot of dream work with my friend.

1590
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 4: He's a great dream analyst, and he's his Carl Jung Again.

1591
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 4: I love Carlo clearly, but it's that it's a language,

1592
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 4: and I think if your subconscious knows you're you're speaking

1593
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 4: to it, it starts speaking back. I always personify it

1594
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 4: as a little monster when I feel like it's getting overactive,

1595
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 4: like if things are going really well, for example, my

1596
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 4: subconscious is waiting for the shoe to drop, and so

1597
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 4: it starts looking for things to upperlimit or panic about

1598
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 4: when everything's totally fine. And so I gave it a character.

1599
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 4: It's like this little ladybug, and I named it Bert

1600
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 4: because it removes the power. It's that process of naming

1601
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 4: something when you can just make it this funny little

1602
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 4: thing but I think if you can love your little

1603
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 4: monster it or love you back, and it will help

1604
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 4: you and be with you in your life versus ignoring it,

1605
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 4: then it starts to rule you and be in the

1606
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 4: driver's seat at least.

1607
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: That's how I similar with intuition actually too, Like once

1608
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 2: you start building that intuitive and understanding you're intuitive pulses,

1609
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: you start having a stronger and stronger relationship with it,

1610
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: and then it's like and it's just speed doll, Like

1611
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: I can connect with the intuition immediately and it's yeah,

1612
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: it's yeah. I think that was another really incredible thing

1613
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 2: that we had with the Warriors because we were like, okay,

1614
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: let's talk about intuition, and all the girls were like,

1615
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: but I don't what is my intuition? And I was like,

1616
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 2: oh wow, okay, first we need to figure out how

1617
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: to get you guys back to connecting with intuition and

1618
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: what that means for you, and then through that we

1619
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 2: can use intuition and workshops. But we had to even

1620
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: go back farther to be like, oh, okay, let's build

1621
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 2: a relationship first, because everything has relationships. Everything is a relationship,

1622
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: and it's always a two way street.

1623
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 3: I fully agree with you.

1624
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: We have a relationship with money, we have a relationship

1625
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: with food, we have a relationship with our bodies, we

1626
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: have relationship with others, And that's something I wanted to

1627
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: talk to you both about. I imagine that a lot

1628
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: of questions you get have some correlation to dating, love

1629
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: a romantic partner. What are some of the subconscious beliefs

1630
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: that you're seeing holding people back from love? What have

1631
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: you seen in your own journeys towards romantic love that

1632
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: you feel of held you back from really creating something

1633
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: powerful or beautiful like you have in your friendship. And

1634
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: how do you guide young women through that journey of

1635
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: their life. Because I feel like if there's anything that

1636
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: has been seen as put on the greatest pedestal or

1637
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: platform or the ultimate achievement, as you rightly said, was

1638
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: why you become the porcelain doll, is because you've been

1639
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: told that that's what gives you protection.

1640
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: So that's so hardwired. What's the breakthrough insight for that?

1641
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 4: At least for me? My work is and love surrendering

1642
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 4: the sword first. That's the only way to win the battle.

1643
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 4: And explain that to me, Like we it's very easy

1644
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 4: to throw up a guard and to tiptoe into something.

1645
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 4: Especially now there's so many options. You can be noncommittal

1646
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: so easily because there's always something you know, rich or

1647
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: smarter or pretty or whatever it is, versus actually leaning

1648
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 4: into the person in front of you. And I think

1649
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 4: that's my work, is fully leaning in no matter what,

1650
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 4: so that when if it ends, whether that's through dying

1651
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 4: together in our nineties or nine minutes from now it

1652
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 4: just doesn't work out, at least they'll know I gave

1653
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 4: all of myself because I think that's what haunts me

1654
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 4: is if I didn't lean into a moment. So yeah,

1655
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 4: I think by surrendering my sword, by being the first

1656
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 4: to strip off my armor, that's when I actually feel

1657
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 4: really proud of myself in love. Whether or not it

1658
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 4: works out, I feel it's successful in that way.

1659
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: How do you respond to that when it could be

1660
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: that someone took advantage of that, or someone misuse that

1661
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: openness and vulnerability.

1662
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: That you gave them.

1663
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: How do you reconcile that afterwards, in the aftermath that

1664
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: it only lasted three months or six months or whatever

1665
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: it was, and it wasn't as deep and beautiful as

1666
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to commit towards.

1667
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 4: There's not really a way for me to know that.

1668
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 4: You know, I can't peer into the future, and that's

1669
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 4: the risk I take in love reminds me of that

1670
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: colors your bron poem on Love, where he says, when

1671
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 4: love beckons, you follow him though his ways are hard

1672
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,839
Speaker 4: and steep, you know it's true you might get wounded.

1673
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 4: And it's just the risk that we take with caring

1674
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 4: about people. You know, we'll lose them one way or another,

1675
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 4: whether they die before us or we die before them.

1676
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 4: The sphere of will I ever find my person is

1677
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 4: now replaced with will I lose my person? And that

1678
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 4: just comes with caring about someone other than yourself. It's

1679
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 4: an inevitable reality. And so if I can face that

1680
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 4: every day and accept that, it makes me have.

1681
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 2: More courage to lean in. Yeah, I want to echo that,

1682
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: just because I think we define successful relationships as lasting forever.

1683
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 2: Whereas for me and Alley, as we're learning and growing,

1684
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: it's really about letting it morph into whatever it's meant

1685
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 2: to be. So whether that stays romantic, or or it

1686
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: changes into something else, or you know, if you feel

1687
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 2: like it's time to leave, making sure that the love

1688
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: is still there no matter the decision, because I think

1689
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: it's way easier to just wait until you both get

1690
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 2: so triggered that then we can just make it, make

1691
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: each other the bad villain or whatever, and then move

1692
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: on with our lives. But the real growth, and when

1693
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the universe, the God knows that

1694
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 2: you're ready for a partner, is when you act in love,

1695
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 2: not because they deserve it, or you know, because you

1696
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 2: want to show them or whatever. It's because you are

1697
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 2: love and that's just what you attract. And so for me,

1698
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: at least like with my prior relationship to this one,

1699
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened. I was absolutely heartbroken, but I

1700
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: knew that this was a conversation with me and God

1701
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: now about Okay, can you end this in love, because

1702
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: regardless if he wants to stay, you are love, and

1703
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 2: so you're going to end it in this way, and

1704
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,879
Speaker 2: then therefore the real, the real partnership will come and

1705
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what happens. So also too, you know

1706
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: it is it is a little chaotic right now in

1707
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: the world with this idea of non attachment. You know,

1708
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 2: we we associated with spirituality a lot because it's like, oh,

1709
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm not attached. But Ali also has this beautiful poem

1710
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 2: where she was like, if you don't, if you just

1711
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: constantly go with the flow of the river, you're going

1712
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: to fall off the waterfall. Like it's when we don't

1713
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: use that masculine energy to say no, I want this,

1714
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 2: I want to do this, I want to work for this,

1715
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: then everything just there's no there's there's no real intimacy

1716
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: and no real connection. And I think that's our That's

1717
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 2: my goal at least with every romantic relationship if I

1718
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: have one, if whatever it is, is just getting to

1719
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 2: the depth of that connection so that both of us

1720
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: can grow, and growth is my definition of success in relationship,

1721
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 2: not time. And it's scary too, because I think when

1722
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship and you feel like you're not

1723
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: getting something that you want, you usually will go in

1724
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: your backo, try and figure it out, come to a conclusion,

1725
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: and then tell the person as opposed to being letting

1726
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: them in on the conversation, being like, Hey, I'm not

1727
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: getting this type of energy or this type of treatment,

1728
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: and I'm really noticing that it's an ultimatum for me

1729
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 2: in relationships, and I want to include you on this

1730
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: conversation because I'm terrified of hurting you or I'm terrified

1731
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: of like leaving this life, and you know, just bringing

1732
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: them into the conversation is what takes the power away

1733
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: from it. And then it's like it's an honest love

1734
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: no matter what. And that's it's really scary because it's

1735
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: way easier to just come to the conclusion and then

1736
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 2: present it to them, and it's even scarier being like, hey,

1737
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm terrified of breaking your heart.

1738
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: How does that wran you? Real?

1739
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: But at least it's an honest conversation. And I'm noticing

1740
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 2: that with our relationship. I've been in a relationship for

1741
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: four almost five years now, and that's it. Like every

1742
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: six to nine months, we just we have to, you know,

1743
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: have a conversation of like, hey, is there anything that's

1744
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: not being honored within the relationship that you feel like

1745
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: you need because I think going back to this masculine

1746
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 2: and feminine that's super important in a relationship. It's fluid,

1747
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you'll lean into the masculine, sometimes I'll

1748
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: you know, he'll lean into feminine. But when we especially

1749
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: with females, you know, when we are in the masculine

1750
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: too much, in a relationship, we kind of become the

1751
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: mother archetype a little bit of like did you do

1752
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 2: the bed? Blah blah, Like you're picking on things that

1753
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: don't mean to be picked on, and it's usually because, uh,

1754
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: the feminine us hasn't been honored in a way where

1755
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 2: it's like have you taken her out? Have you you know,

1756
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: done a romantic weekend or whatever it is, is just

1757
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: bringing that romance back into it and then the female

1758
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 2: can just like fall into her feminine and feel like

1759
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: a princess truly, because that's what we also want in

1760
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 2: a relationship, at least for me, I like to feel

1761
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 2: it princess.

1762
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: Know what, what's your take on, like how this language

1763
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: of like high value man and high value woman is

1764
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 1: like permeated like social media culture relationships and like, yeah.

1765
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1766
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 4: To me, it feels so transactional of I think we're

1767
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 4: drawn to people who bring out the side of us

1768
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 4: that needs to come out in a way. And I've

1769
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 4: always trusted that life will bring me the person that

1770
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 4: I meant to fall for, and I've trusted that I

1771
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 4: feel like I'll feel it when I see them versus

1772
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: if I create this checklist of like he has to

1773
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 4: make this much money and drive this car and look

1774
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: like this and do this. It takes the magic out

1775
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 4: of it, and I'm not actually present with the person

1776
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 4: in front of me. And at least on a soul level,

1777
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 4: I don't know that I'll learn the most from the

1778
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 4: person on my checklist. You know, I don't know that

1779
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 4: I'll be able to dance on the ashes of who

1780
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 4: we once were together if it's what my mind thinks,

1781
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 4: because at least I find whatever my mind thinks should

1782
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 4: happen is usually not what should happen.

1783
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 3: I agree at all.

1784
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I want to be surprised because love is

1785
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 4: such a greater force than me, and it's so humbling.

1786
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, I guess when I hear the high value man,

1787
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 4: high value woman, it automatically to me insinuates that you

1788
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 4: don't have value or you know what I mean. It

1789
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 4: triggers is the self esteem thing. At least that's how

1790
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 4: I feel when I hear it.

1791
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I love your take on it, and I

1792
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:13,959
Speaker 1: think my take is that you can't really judge value

1793
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: in that way because I always give this example of

1794
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: like when I met RADI I was in debt and

1795
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a job and didn't know what I was

1796
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: going to do. And so if I was judged on

1797
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: my value of my net worth or any of those things,

1798
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: it would have been minus. But I was not judged.

1799
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: I was approached by RADI based on my values, not

1800
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: my value, and that totally was a different take, and

1801
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: she invested in my values, and those values are what

1802
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: constructs a healthy relationship today, I don't think whether we've

1803
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: had money or not had money it actually affected our

1804
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: romantic connection, or whether we had things or didn't have things,

1805
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: whether it affected our intimacy, Like that wasn't what I

1806
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: had an impact. I always say to people, like, how

1807
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: to old someone is isn't going to change.

1808
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: Whether you guys are have also.

1809
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 2: So much fun to grow with you xactly and to

1810
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: be like I was there from the beginning. Like that's

1811
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: so satisfying and cool in its own way. So when

1812
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:18,879
Speaker 2: we're always constantly looking for like the finished product of someone,

1813
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 2: it's like, well, then where's that gritty growth that I

1814
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: love so much, because at least that's what we have

1815
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,919
Speaker 2: in our friendship. You know, it's just like this gritty

1816
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: like I'm going to continue to like go with you

1817
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: on this journey whichever way you know, if you need

1818
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 2: to bury dead body list Like it's that energy on

1819
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: Purpose podcast. He's like, God, love each other, her out, No,

1820
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: but it's true. Like I I like, even in the

1821
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 2: past five years, I'm like, this is incredible to see

1822
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 2: how much we've grown together. It's almost it's exhilarating in

1823
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 2: its own way. So I do think too, and men also,

1824
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to talk a little bit potential

1825
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: because I think women who Run with the Wolves, that

1826
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 2: incredible book, they were talking about how women it's in

1827
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 2: one of it's part of our nature to see a

1828
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 2: man's potential and to truly like help lift them to

1829
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 2: get them there. And so so many times I hear

1830
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: my friends, you know, embarrassed that they fell for them

1831
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 2: for his potential, and then they felt guilty or bad

1832
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: that they were trying to push him in a direction

1833
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: that maybe he didn't want to go. And when I

1834
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 2: read that in the book, I realized, oh no, because

1835
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: the right man will be so excited that you see

1836
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: that path for them and will walk that path with

1837
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: you in a beautiful way. So there is truth within

1838
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: that that natural ability that women have. It's it's so beautiful,

1839
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 2: and I've seen that with my own relationship, Like it

1840
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: is so fun to watch him grow and become this

1841
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 2: incredible man. It is. It's so much more satisfying than

1842
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: if I would have just gone on a date with

1843
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 2: this version of him now and met him now. It's

1844
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 2: our nature to to feed that potential to something greater.

1845
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: And if he's the right guy and he's ready for you,

1846
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: then that's where the growth and the beautiful garden that

1847
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: you guys will create comes from. So it's really beautiful.

1848
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: I can listen to you both talk forever now we

1849
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,919
Speaker 1: can on the easy A podcast.

1850
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

1851
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:13,839
Speaker 1: I hope you're both going to have loads of conversations

1852
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,919
Speaker 1: with each other too, because I could just hear you

1853
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: you two talk without any guests or anything.

1854
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: It's been interesting being a host, like I will say

1855
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: so because like like watching you do this and how

1856
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: you're able to You're so present, You're able to wrap

1857
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 2: around a story and you're able to take different questions

1858
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: and you know, form them into new ones to take

1859
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: us on this new path. It's this incredible talent that

1860
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: you have, so I definitely have watched yours and studies

1861
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: yours a lot, but then also like adding our own

1862
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: little sauce into it has been so fun, And it's

1863
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 2: actually like way more intimidating to be interviewed as opposed

1864
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 2: to be the host. Like I prefer being the host

1865
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 2: so much more.

1866
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 1: But I finally realized that you realized that because in

1867
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: the beginning, when you're hosting yours and Neverson scared, and

1868
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: then you realize the person in the seat is as

1869
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: a way out a job, we were so No, you're

1870
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: both a phenomenal. I want to end with the final five,

1871
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: which we always do the end of every on purpose interview,

1872
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: but we're going to change it up. We're going to

1873
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 1: take questions from the journal because I think that would

1874
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: be fun and so the questions. But the hard part

1875
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: is the questions have to be answered in one word

1876
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: to one sentence maximum, and I'll probably allow you, I'll

1877
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: probably want you to expand his Timeue goes on. So

1878
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: question one, let's start with an easy one.

1879
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Let's not start with that.

1880
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a really good one there for later on.

1881
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: We'll start with it an easy one. What piece of

1882
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: advice would you give to a younger you?

1883
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 2: Your brain's just not fully formed. You're going to be Okay,

1884
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: I worry about it, like twenty five, it'll calm down,

1885
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 2: smooth sailing, but just like it's fine, You're good.

1886
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 3: I love it.

1887
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 4: Buckle up, baby, enjoy the ride.

1888
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 3: Okay, great. If life stopped today, what would you regret

1889
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 3: not doing? I love that question.

1890
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: Serving spending way we're talking to my family, you could

1891
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 2: be on the water more. Yeah, honestly nothing.

1892
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:05,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's beautiful.

1893
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: That's an amazing place to be. Tell me about all

1894
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: the parts of yourself that you cringe at.

1895
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: My unfiltered thoughts, my intrusive thoughts, It just will come out.

1896
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: I've been pretty good on this episode, but I love

1897
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 2: your intrusive thoughts. But they had just become my personality

1898
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: and it came I just yeah, there's moments where I'm like, don't, don't,

1899
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: and it just comes out. So I guess, Yeah, my

1900
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: intrusive thoughts are pretty cringey, especially when I just can't

1901
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,839
Speaker 2: stop saying them out loud. I think it was being homeschooled.

1902
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 2: There's just no filter. And then also my mother was like,

1903
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 2: oh adults, Oh no, they're just they're like you, but older,

1904
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: and I was like oh, and then I never really got,

1905
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 2: you know, afraid, and never called people mister and missus,

1906
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 2: and so there was never like this disconnection from me

1907
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: and my olders in a sense. So I just there's

1908
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: no filter and never went to school, so I just

1909
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 2: will keep talking. And so I'm gonna shut up.

1910
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 3: Now this is all intrusive. I love it.

1911
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I just cringe it being a walking

1912
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 4: and bumper sticker, like as a poet, I'm just so trained.

1913
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 2: I can see her cringe to say line that she said, I.

1914
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 4: Can't stand it. I think that's why I appreciate her.

1915
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 4: It's the balance. Yeah, there's nothing composed, and I'm too composed,

1916
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 4: and so somewhere will become a person in the middle.

1917
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I always say that, like I take life too seriously

1918
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: and Rady doesn't take life seriously at all.

1919
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the only way to balance it out.

1920
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: Similar I know what I'm doing every minute of the day.

1921
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: All right, question number four, list of things that you're

1922
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: running from?

1923
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I just spit uh mortality to get like really deep.

1924
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 2: I've been feeling like I've been needing to face us

1925
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 2: in different types of ways. Maybe it's a plot plant

1926
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: medicine thing. Maybe I don't know what it is, but

1927
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: I feel once I can have a more honest relationship

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Speaker 2: with death, I'll be able to because now I love

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Speaker 2: my life so much and I love who I am

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Speaker 2: so much, so I'm like, I just really want to

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Speaker 2: be in it so deeply and I and I know

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Speaker 2: that like fear of death and fear of loosening it

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Speaker 2: all is kind of ruining the presence for me a

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Speaker 2: little bit. So yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm running for my gifts. I think I've hit a

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Speaker 4: certain comfortable place in writing, but I want to see

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Speaker 4: how far I can go and stretch that muscle. But

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Speaker 4: it feels like that Mary and Williamson quote if we're

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Speaker 4: afraid of our power more than failure. I just butchered

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Speaker 4: that terribly. But I'm afraid of that. I'm seeing how

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Speaker 4: far I can go about You, Jay Shatty, what am.

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Speaker 3: I running from? Yeah, that's what you're saying, right that question.

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Speaker 3: I literally wait to do this, Like I'm really excited.

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Speaker 3: Am I running from?

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Speaker 1: I think I'm running from. I'm actually doing what I

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Speaker 1: was talking about earlier. I'm running from a past self,

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Speaker 1: an identity then no longer serves me. But I think

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it not in the right way. So my

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Speaker 1: history is important to me, and it's powerful, and it's

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Speaker 1: so much the reason I am who I am today,

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Speaker 1: and I think sometimes I'm trying to run away from

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Speaker 1: my history because I'm so different today externally and in

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Speaker 1: so many other ways. But I don't think that's the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do, so i'd say that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: running from. That makes sense at all? All right, Fifth

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Speaker 1: and final question, what are you pretending not to know?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 2: That's the question that I wanted him to Oh is it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Remember what what did it? Could say? Our friend Coop

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Speaker 2: Blacks an extra set?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I interviewed two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's Oh my god, what's larger than life?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. What am I brandtending not to know?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, oh no. That I was really hoping he wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to ask that question, but I wanted to ask

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Speaker 2: him that question.

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Speaker 3: And now we're in.

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Speaker 2: I think I do feel a little bit of fear

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Speaker 2: of success with the podcast because we had this conversation

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Speaker 2: with kot. There's a difference between sharing who you are

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Speaker 2: and exposing who you are, and I always got nervous

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Speaker 2: with that because with social media, it's everyone's just going

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Speaker 2: to use any part of their life to gain attraction,

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Speaker 2: and I really want to maintain a sense of privacy

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Speaker 2: while also sharing deeply who I am. I feel you

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Speaker 2: do a really good job about that, So I think

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm afraid of that line being crossed with now

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Speaker 2: that we're in this like more love content, because this

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Speaker 2: is the only type of content on the Internet that

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Speaker 2: I feel actually shows all versions of someone, and that's

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Speaker 2: why me and Ali were so excited to get into it.

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Speaker 2: But there's definitely a huge fear of it right now

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Speaker 2: that I'll expose myself in some way or feel like

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Speaker 2: I hate those vulnerability hangovers. My god, it doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 2: Oh it doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 4: What about you? I actually think it's what you said

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Speaker 4: earlier about the inner piece external chaos. I find what

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Speaker 4: brings me inner piece, I notice rocks the boat of

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Speaker 4: people I love most a lot of the time, and

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Speaker 4: so I really really struggle with not wanting to hurt

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Speaker 4: people and then suffocating a part of myself. And I

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Speaker 4: think there's a balance between the two of freedom and security,

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Speaker 4: But I think it's pretending not to know when something's

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Speaker 4: good for me, but I know what's going to be

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Speaker 4: something that feels like upheaval inside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you guys. What are you pretting not

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Speaker 1: to know right now? I'd say it's I feel that

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Speaker 1: there's a larger than life, bigger service that I'm meant

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Speaker 1: to walk into, but I feel like the immediate keeps

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Speaker 1: taking my attention, and so I'm pretending not to know

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Speaker 1: that there's this bigger thing that will be hard at

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Speaker 1: work people work that is asking me to pick up

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Speaker 1: the call. But it's almost like you're avoiding the call

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Speaker 1: because there's all this immediate stuff that is good and

2009
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Speaker 1: it's great and it's helping, and it is service based

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Speaker 1: as well, but it's you know, there's more and you're

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Speaker 1: not picking up the call.

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Speaker 2: So oh that's good, That's honest.

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Speaker 1: What I love about everything I've said to you guys,

2014
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Speaker 1: and even just sitting and do this activity with you,

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Speaker 1: I love that those beautiful, simple, well crafted questions made

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Speaker 1: me say things that I probably haven't said out loud

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Speaker 1: to anyone in years. Maybe so you know the power

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Speaker 1: of the questions. You've curated and chosen a really special

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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited for people to dive into it.

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly seeing with you both today, I can honestly

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Speaker 1: say that I hope.

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Speaker 3: That you come back to teach me some more and

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Speaker 3: offline as well. I mean, I actually genuinely mean that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that, I really hope you'll come

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Speaker 1: back offline to teach me some more. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: reach out to both of you. I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: people to listen to easy A. I'm so excited for

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Speaker 1: people to use the Becoming a Warrior journals. And I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for you guys and forever in your corner and

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Speaker 1: anyway that I can be, and so grateful that you

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Speaker 1: came on purpose.

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Speaker 2: You're the best ever. Thank you so much. You've supported

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Speaker 2: me for years and I just I feel so much

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Speaker 2: gratitude when I think of you and Roddy and like

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Speaker 2: truly you've you guys kind of like took me under

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Speaker 2: your wings. So I really really appreciate it, and thank

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Speaker 2: you for welcoming Ali.

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Speaker 3: Of course, thank you.

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Speaker 4: You really create such a beautiful safe space where it

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Speaker 4: elicits honesty in a way that's not invasive.

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Speaker 2: It's like calm honesty. It doesn't feel supportive and loving.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you. It means the world to me.

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Speaker 1: Did I not ask you anything that you wanted to

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Speaker 1: share or something that was on your heart and mind

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Speaker 1: that you really want to share with the community right now?

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Speaker 1: If there's anything, please feel free. It's open floor.

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Speaker 2: I just think the Box conversation has just been so

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Speaker 2: relevant in my life in the last year, and it

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Speaker 2: always just comes back to this idea of giving the

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Speaker 2: world us individuals the grace of change, because it's truly

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Speaker 2: what we need. And that's why I, me and Ali

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Speaker 2: have such a close connection, because we've given each other

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Speaker 2: the grace of change and we need that more than

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Speaker 2: ever in this world.

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Speaker 3: I fully agree Ali Annie what she said. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has been listening or watching wherever you are, whether

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Speaker 1: you're walking your dog, you're at home, you're on the

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Speaker 1: way to work, on the way back from work, you're

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Speaker 1: at the gym, wherever you are. Please make sure that

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Speaker 1: you tag all three of us. Tag Ali, tag Alexis,

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Speaker 1: tag myself. Let us know what stood out to you,

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01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: what resonated with you. Remember, I want you to go

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Speaker 1: listen to this with a friend, to deepen your friendship,

2064
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: to remove envy from your connections, and of course start

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Speaker 1: removing the boxes, start trying to live in bigger boxes,

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Speaker 1: and allow ourselves to give us permission to be the

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Speaker 1: fullest three to sixty degree version of ourselves. So big

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Speaker 1: thank you to Alexis, big thank you to Ali, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to on Purpose.

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Speaker 3: Everyone. Thank you so much, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with

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Speaker 1: Dr Gabor Matte on understanding your trauma and how to

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Speaker 1: heal emotional wounds to start moving on from the past.

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Speaker 2: Everything in nature grows only where it's vulnerable. So tree

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Speaker 2: doesn't go over it's hard and thick, does it. It

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Speaker 2: goes where it's soft and green and vulnerable.