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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 1: This is the show where we recap our early episodes

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Speaker 1: with case updates and hot take revisions and all the

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Speaker 1: unlocked memories we can muster.

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Speaker 2: Today we're rewinding to episode ninety six, which we named

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Speaker 2: Live at the hard Rock in Orlando because we are

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Speaker 2: at our live show in Orlando, Florida.

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Speaker 1: At the hard Rock. I thought was real, got amazing,

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Speaker 1: absolutely memory hold this one. This episode came out on

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Speaker 1: November twenty third, twenty seventeen. So let's listen to the

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Speaker 1: intro of episode ninety six. What's up Orlander?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Vince is so fired. He left his

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Speaker 2: sunglasses up here.

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Speaker 1: I honestly thought you like secretly brought them on stage, Like,

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Speaker 1: here's my hilarious joke. This is Warland.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Vince straight up left.

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Speaker 1: We aired smaller meeting after this show.

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Speaker 2: Fired, divorce everything.

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Speaker 1: I have to just tell you guys right now, the

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Speaker 1: second wave of screaming and that hit a new high

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Speaker 1: I've never I don't think we've heard that before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fucking rock and roll at the hard Rock.

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Speaker 2: Cathe everybody, they're screaming outside because there's a roller coaster,

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Speaker 2: but it's really weird if you like, don't think about that.

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Speaker 2: There's just screaming outside.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna admit something to you. Go ahead. We got

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Speaker 1: out of the car to go into the back, you know,

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Speaker 1: artists entrance, and I heard some distant screaming and I

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Speaker 1: was like, guys, guys, guys, we'll see you in a second.

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Speaker 1: And then it was like a roller goes like that.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, oh no, I've lost my mind already,

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Speaker 1: getting too big. I'm such an a already.

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Speaker 2: You guys got a screaming, which is cool because Hampa

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Speaker 2: got us an active serial killer. Yes, so that was nice.

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Speaker 1: You made up for it. What a gift, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what an amazing on brand gift for us. We were honored.

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Speaker 2: Karen made a good point and was like, if you, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you solve this and find the guy, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: be huge.

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Speaker 1: Yes, imagine.

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Speaker 2: And then Karen was like, well, we haven't seen Stephen

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Speaker 2: in the active serial killer in the same room at

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Speaker 2: the same time.

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Speaker 1: Let's just set him up for it and get the glory.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's an active serial killer, fucking mustaching around.

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Speaker 1: He's not here, so we can say anything you want

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Speaker 1: about it, Yes, say anything you want.

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Speaker 2: He's just with my cat, so he'll be too harsh.

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Speaker 1: Oh they wanted him to be under here so bad.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry guys. Welcome. This is my

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Speaker 1: favorite ever were a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's Karen Kilgarrett, that's.

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Speaker 1: Georgia hart Star, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We remember what we did this afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Oh dude.

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Speaker 2: So we had to drive here from Tampa and we

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Speaker 2: had like a couple hours between when your hotel room

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Speaker 2: it kicks you out and then let's see you into

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Speaker 2: the next one. So I'm like, well, the fuck do

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Speaker 2: we do a waffle house?

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Speaker 1: Waffle house? All? All? I get a place? It was.

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Speaker 1: It was my first time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It was unbelievably regular, which is good because most

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Speaker 1: are like, don't go there, don't go there, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: regret it. I don't regret it. Here's the thing. Those biscuits.

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Speaker 1: I had a biscuit without gravy on it, and it

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Speaker 2: So then we ate and then we went to there's

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Speaker 2: this town called plant Plant City. Plant City, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You love Plant City. We did too.

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Speaker 2: It was nuts there were so we went to all

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Speaker 2: these like my dream, just a town full of antique malls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, so much vintage tupperware.

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Speaker 1: Georgia kept picking up bowls and going should I get this?

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Speaker 1: It's like, yes, it's perfect for flying, and that's a

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Speaker 1: the classic batter. No, I'll never find a loss.

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Speaker 2: And then Karen had the great idea while we were

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Speaker 2: wandering around. She was like, let's get a weird, creepy

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Speaker 2: So then it didn't happen, so then yeah, let it go.

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Speaker 1: Let it go. Don't get connected to material things in

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Speaker 1: immediately like, let's get a haunted.

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Speaker 2: Picture, you know what I mean, like something haunted.

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Speaker 1: Let's get something awful, and you're like, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Now you have to keep it. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: So we were like searching for a thing and what

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Speaker 1: I found salt and pepper shakers of two little childs

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Speaker 1: on the back because I couldn't figure out what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was like they had big blue eyes but then

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Speaker 2: So we found Karen found this gorgeous jewelry box.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so if you are from the seventies, like missile,

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Speaker 1: they had those jewelry boxes that like you open them

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Speaker 1: and then it's like, talk about fucking haunted. It's like

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Speaker 2: It's like a ghost is absolutely making this happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Put on your rings, little girl, and forever.

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Speaker 2: And then it was like a movie where like if

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Speaker 2: fucking ballerina there is now and then she gets close

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Speaker 2: to the thing every night.

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Speaker 1: Keep going, someone take dictation. That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: It was this like gorgeous version of it, perfect condition ballerina.

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Speaker 2: Everything was like gorgeous about it.

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Speaker 1: It was it was like it was way bigger than

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Speaker 1: It was like from the fiftieth probably cream on the outside,

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Speaker 1: salmon pants, salmon pink on the inside, on the inside

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Speaker 1: I opened it to Georgia and the shoes, we have

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Speaker 1: the back in Boston gold it's a Lady Buxton.

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Speaker 2: It's from a company called Lady Bucks.

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Speaker 1: Lady Bucks, which.

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Speaker 2: Were naming our company. We're stealing that, changing the name

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Speaker 1: There's no way that company's still in business or are they?

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Speaker 1: Someone started crying in the front row just now. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I saw what happened.

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Speaker 2: There was like probably left over from like who played

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Speaker 1: Let's guess uh, just Jay Giles Band, Jay.

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Speaker 2: Giles Band, a piece of glitter who left fell from

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Speaker 1: Oh then Katie Perry right her lap? How big is it? Surely? Shit?

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Speaker 1: Can I have that? Thank you? I feel like it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's a blade. If we had that jewel box, she

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Speaker 1: Oh oh and for me, man, please don't come towards

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Speaker 1: You did it exactly right. She's rushing the stage like

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Speaker 1: a lunatic. I can't believe you, Karen. Oh, yes, did

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Speaker 1: you lick it? No? I thought about it, but I

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Speaker 2: What it's made up. Yes, there, Now we just get

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Speaker 2: beamed the fuck up in space to be with Heaven's Gate.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to record this episode. It's gonna go

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Speaker 2: Yes, this looks good.

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Speaker 1: This is not to be TV insider. But when I

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Speaker 2: Anyways, anyhow, lady.

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Speaker 1: Bucks, lady Bucks, we focus standing in line.

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Speaker 2: It was really cheap. We're standing there like we got

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Speaker 1: Yep. She's like, oh is that a lady bles? Like

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Speaker 2: She was like, I still have fine from when I

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Speaker 2: She yeah, still has her, and I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: Went over there. Did you see any others? Yeah? She

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Speaker 1: was very so Georgia looks at me and goes, let's

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Speaker 2: She just ignored Vince was like yeah, yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: Anyway, could you guys finish up so we can get

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Speaker 1: the lady Buckston. Georgia turns around and goes, you should

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Speaker 1: like she's giving her the fucking Holy Grail. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: and you just put it into her hands cause you

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Speaker 1: gave me a nod. I did. I did.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to seem like I'm fucking amazing, but

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Speaker 2: I mean it was my idea.

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Speaker 1: I broke. I did break at the end, and she goes, oh.

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Speaker 1: We just immediately started walking away.

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Speaker 2: She started occurring wipes her eyes, and then we were

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Speaker 2: all like, we're the.

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Speaker 2: Was the best, So no one gets surprised, except for

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Speaker 1: That lady gets surprised because we are good people. And

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Speaker 1: then we were running scenarios of how she's a con

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Speaker 1: woman and that thing is worth like seven hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: Well, they're all positive there where everyone's positive.

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Speaker 2: I offered you my tights last night. I was like,

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Speaker 2: Away nails, all right, Listen, we work hard for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Look, it's so hard doing a live podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's not true. It's not true, relying to your face.

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Speaker 2: Uh, this is my husband. He's the guy. He's our

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Speaker 1: They're not telling you. Some people are like they have one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not you know what I mean. They're like,

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Speaker 1: Here, my I'm gonna do this like my mam at Thanksgiving. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's yours from Edward. My kleenex it was actually a napkin.

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Speaker 1: All right. Who it's me, it's you, It's me, okay,

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Speaker 1: What do you remember about the hard Rock Cafe in Orlando, Florida.

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Speaker 1: the blank happened, and it's just weird. Like this, it

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00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: makes me go, this is why people keep scrap books,

441
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: as corny as it is. Yeah, you want to be

442
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: able to look back and just be like, oh, I

443
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: get it totally the whole thing we were doing it.

444
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: I guess you could probably if you searched back on

445
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: Instagram far enough.

446
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I guess that is a scrap book really.

447
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, kind of teacherrap book.

448
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: I do wish. Yeah, I was like that, or you know,

449
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: someone who loved me was like that.

450
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 4: But nope, or someone loved me yeah, or my mom

451
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 4: would fucking get her scrap booking shit together, but no,

452
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: I totally forgot about the fucking jewelry box.

453
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: Like, oh, that is hilarious.

454
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: And I think this is when I bought something for

455
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: the hometown person that night and ended up keeping it

456
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: for myself.

457
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: Right, I could tell you exactly what I I still

458
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: have it. It's a fu It was a beautiful.

459
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: Like perfume bottle, shaped like a Ostrich and but it

460
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: was like my color, the green, and it was an

461
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: Avon perfume bottle from like probably oh yeah, the sixties

462
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: or seventies. But it's like one of my favorite things

463
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: that I own. So it's worth it.

464
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: It's okay, totally worth it. You. It really was for

465
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: you because you thought to yourself, what's the best thing

466
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: to give as a gift, and then picked the thing

467
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: you like the best and then like, well, I'll give

468
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: it to myself. Yeah, that's completely understandable. That's shopping, I

469
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: think deepday, that's every year when I Christmas shop, for sure,

470
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: when I'm like, look at me with this sweater.

471
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: Oh, I probably need a new belt. I bet my

472
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: sister would love this, so I'm going to keep it.

473
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: Nora loves Sephora. That's what I'm always trying to act like, Right,

474
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: That's what I connected us being at that because I

475
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: can remember the antique store. Yeah, but I connected it

476
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: with when you came out of the bathroom and we

477
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: thought we lost you. I thought that was the same.

478
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: Right, No, that was the night before. I did look

479
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: up the jewelry box and they are They're not like

480
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: super expensive. You can find ones for like fifty dollars,

481
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: but they also I saw ones that go up to

482
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars. Yeah, so you know, you could have

483
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: made out real good.

484
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: I could have been in that jewelry box business that

485
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: I've always dreamed of being a part of. The Funny

486
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: thing is that I had one of those. I think,

487
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: did I have it or was like my cousin had

488
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: that where that was a very seventies set piece, that

489
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: set piece of like the ballerina going around as you

490
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: go through your cousin cousin's jewelry box. Totally.

491
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: I have the Grandma one that like opens up to

492
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of different things.

493
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that's my favorite. Is that what we had or

494
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: did we have a ballerina one girl? I do not

495
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: remember at all.

496
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: We talk about the ballerina one, so it must be that,

497
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: but I think they I don't think that the jewelry

498
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: company makes that kind.

499
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: I think I was just trying to put any kind

500
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: of a silence of the Lamb's reference in anytime I could.

501
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: That is my hacky crutch that I love to rely on. It.

502
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: You must you must, oh horse do ui the horse

503
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: doui lady, one of our original local crime bits that

504
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: just destroyed.

505
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when we learned that we got to show

506
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: the city that we're in, what they're like and what

507
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: they have done.

508
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: They're represented by. Yeah, this smugshot. You didn't lie. This

509
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: smugshot is really something. It is. It's a horse related

510
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: crime type of mug shot, totally like it fits the

511
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: crime right it does. It's a look and it's an aesthetic.

512
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: Oh and I'm about to do one of my favorite

513
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: stories ever. Oh really, yeah, I didn't know that.

514
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into Karen's story about Judy Wuenoano, the

515
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: Black Widow Killer.

516
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: It's hard when we are home from these shows and

517
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: people don't cheer us constantly for every single fucking thing

518
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: we do all day long. Huh. I have a hard time.

519
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: How do we know if we're doing well or not.

520
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll look around and be like, excuse me,

521
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: I just sat down. Why is How do I know

522
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to sit down or not? All right? So,

523
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: my murder tonight and my story I'm about to tell

524
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: you is about a little lady named Judy Buenoano the

525
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: black widow Killero. I love a good black widow. Probably

526
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: still still I said it the way I said it.

527
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: You pick those up and throw them away. Let's make

528
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: it look nice. I got most of my information. You know,

529
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: when you go on YouTube to look up a serial killer,

530
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: you need to know information about. And there's somebody that

531
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: has posted a TV show as if it's their TV show.

532
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: So I think it was a guy. It was something

533
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: like it was some kind of a play on words

534
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: where it looked like his name was like it was

535
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: like kicker in the ass or something, but it was

536
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: broken up so it looked like a guy's name. It

537
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: was great anyway, but he didn't make the show. And

538
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's a show called women on Death

539
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: Row and the little thing up in the corner said, see,

540
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: but I've never heard of that channel before, so I

541
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: don't know what was happening. But if you go on YouTube,

542
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: that was where I got most of this information. Plus

543
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: there's a website called crime Museum dot org that's really

544
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: good that had a bunch of information about her too. Okay,

545
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: So Judy buen yo Anyo who was born Judaeus and

546
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: louelt on April fourth, nineteen forty three in Quana, Texas.

547
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: That's the shortest sentence with all the names I can't

548
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: pronounce in it.

549
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: So get those out of the way.

550
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we started off strong. Okay. So her mother died

551
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: when she was two. She and her brother Robert gets

552
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: sent to live with the grandma. A year later, the

553
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: father remarries brings them back. They now live in New Mexico,

554
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: and she then has a whole childhood of abuse by

555
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: the new stepmother. And I guess there were five step

556
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: brothers that were all dicks, so she has it bad.

557
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: And then when she's fourteen, she snaps, throws hot grease

558
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: on the stepbro and attacks the father anstep.

559
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: What the fuck.

560
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: She fucking lost it? I remember the fact that you

561
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: just cheered for Judy because you're gonna regret that later.

562
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: Do you think she had a thing like this and

563
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: she was just like yedix.

564
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: And just throw a thing of it. She was like,

565
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: they were like this bacon isn't crispy enough, and she's like,

566
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, let me put my towel down really quick. Okay.

567
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: So she is sentenced to sixty days in a detention

568
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: center and then she decides, well, I'm not going back home,

569
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: so she goes to a girl's reform school. She graduates

570
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: from there, and then she studies to become a nursing assistant.

571
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty one, when she's eighteen, she gives birth

572
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: to her son, Michael, out of wedlock. She never says

573
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: who the father is, and then the following year she

574
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: marries a guy named James Goodyear. He's an Air Force officer.

575
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: They have two more kids, and then they all moved

576
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: to Orlando. Hey. Yeah, she in nineteen sixty opened a

577
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: place called the Conway Acres Childcare Center. Oh you guys

578
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: went there? Was that fun? Did you ever did everything

579
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: taste like almonds? Because there's a poisoning aspect to this story.

580
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: So her husband, James Goodyear, is sent to Vietnam in

581
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. He comes back from Vietnam, and in

582
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: September of the same year, he starts to get really sick.

583
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: He's vomiting, He's really weak, he can't get out of bed.

584
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: He ends up being hospitalized. She goes and visits him

585
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: in the hospital, sits by his bed every day. He

586
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: ends up dying. Yeah, so she gets his life insurance

587
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: money as a widow will. Then later on that year

588
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: her house catches on fire burns all the way down.

589
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: She gets a little insurance money for that too. Then

590
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: she begins dating a man named Bobby Joe Morris, and

591
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven he moves to Colorado. So she

592
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: packs up all her kids and she moves to Colorado

593
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: and moves in with him. Within a year, Bobby Joe

594
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: is in the hospital dying of a mysterious illness that

595
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: includes vohomiting and being very weak. You know that mystery.

596
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: It's just a weird mystery. This was back when they

597
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: didn't know what caused anything. So when she would go

598
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: visit him in the hospital, she would bring him Hawaiian

599
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: punch from home. In a in like a tupperware container.

600
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: He just loves Hawaiian punch tupperware.

601
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: He loves tupper pointuch tupperware. I bet it was corn

602
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: maize yellow. Yeah. She's like to the nurses, like, he

603
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: just has to have his Hawaiian punch from out of

604
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: this specific container, poured by me, only don't.

605
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: Drink any yeah.

606
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Uh So in ja Aninuary of nineteen seventy eight, he

607
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: dies of this illness and none of the doctors have

608
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: no idea what it is. When they do the aptopsy,

609
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: nothing shows up. Five days after he dies, she cashes

610
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: three life insurance checks from all the policies she'd taken

611
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: out on him a couple of months before he died.

612
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: But everyone's like, wow, what a lucky coincidence. Congratulations Judy.

613
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: So she ends up buying a house in Whisper Bay. No,

614
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: it's near Pensacola. And are you from Pensacola because you

615
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't know what Whisper Bay was, so I think you

616
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: might be fucking lying.

617
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: Everyone from Whisper Bay is really quiet because Pensacola just

618
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: won't stop screaming all the time.

619
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: So they're like, we're a little we specifically moved you

620
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: because we don't like louding.

621
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Of course you don't know who's from Whisper Bay.

622
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: They're snapping in their.

623
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, Judy changes her name legally to Judy one

624
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: oh Anyo, which is Spanish for goodyear, which you might

625
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: remember was her dead first husband's last name. O creepy,

626
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: pretty creepy. Okay. So in June of nineteen seventy nine,

627
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: her son Michael drops out of high school. He's like seventeen.

628
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: He joins the army, and before he leaves to go

629
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: to Fort Bennington, he stops by her house. Oh sorry,

630
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: Fort Benning, Georgia. He stops by her house a visitor

631
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: to say goodbye, and she gives him some sort of

632
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: some item that he eats or drinks, perhaps a delicious

633
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: cup of Hawaiian punch, I'm not sure. When he gets

634
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: to Fort Benning, he becomes gravely ill, vomiting, weakness, whatnot.

635
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: He is found to have high levels of arsenic in

636
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: his system, so his limbs begin to atrophy. This is

637
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: one of the side effects, and he becomes paralyzed in

638
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: his legs and then he can't use his hands, so

639
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: he has to wear braces on his legs and his hand.

640
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: He basically can't use his hands. So he's discharged from

641
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: the army and he moves back in with his mother,

642
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, so his mother can take care of him

643
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: in his illness. I got a bad feeling about her,

644
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? Who Judy? Judy? So in May of

645
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, the day he comes back from being discharged

646
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: from the army with his paralysis and his illness, she

647
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: plans a fishing trip. Okay, same day, think it through.

648
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: No, if she's not gonna, I'm not gonna.

649
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? You're like, even if it was just

650
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: like you were in college and you came home because

651
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: you've got the flu, and you like walk in the

652
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: front door on your mom's like, here we go, Gord trip,

653
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: let's go, you'd be like, what the fuck? Yeah, she

654
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: gets a canoe. They get a folding chair and strap

655
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: him into the chair in the canoe. No, and Michael,

656
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: the younger brother, James, and Judy all go on a

657
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: canoe fishing trip in the East River.

658
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: That sounds like a bummer, even if you're at fucking

659
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: top of your health.

660
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, game, you're feeling great. Fucks now, you took tons

661
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of vitamins and you're like, I don't want to get

662
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: that fucking canoe. Yeah, we went on I just remembered.

663
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: We went on a canoe trip in the Russian River

664
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: when I was like ten years old, and it was

665
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: our family and our next door neighbor the Hospitals, who

666
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: are like our family, and my dad who is six

667
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: foot forard probably two hundred and eighty pounds, and my cousin,

668
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Cheryl's husband at the time, Mike, who was even bigger

669
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: than my dad. They were like best friends, Like we're

670
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna get in our own canoe and bring beard, you know,

671
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: like our time they flipped over in that canoe. I'm

672
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: not kidding, like probably thirty times as we're going. It

673
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like this lazy canoe trip down

674
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: the river. Just every five minutes. It was like con

675
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: and all their shit would go everywhere and they'd laugh,

676
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: they'd stand up and drink a beer whatever sounds kind

677
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: of awesome. It was fucking hilarious. Well, we finally get

678
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: to the end of the trip to turn the canoes

679
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: back in, and they turned the canoe to the side

680
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: and it says like max weight three hundred pounds.

681
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: Those idiots.

682
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: Just a little family fun sidebar before we go back

683
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: into the horror show that is this family. Okay, So,

684
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: at one point, the canoe tips over and some fishermen

685
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: find James and Judy treading water and like trying to

686
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: hold onto the canoe, and Judy tells them my son,

687
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Michael has braces on his legs and he went down

688
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: and we can't find him. Right, So they find Michael's

689
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: body a quarter of a mile down the river because

690
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: he had braced on his arms and legs, so he

691
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: basically sunk right to the bottom. So Judy tells the cops.

692
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: She tells them one story was the fishing line got

693
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: caught in trees. One story was they hit a log

694
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: bumped them and knocked the canoe over a floating log.

695
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: And then one story was there was a snake in

696
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: the canoe. This like could have been all three at

697
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: the same time. I mean, could you imagine a snake

698
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: filled log hits your fishing line? Yes, all right. The

699
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: younger son, James, says he has no memory of the

700
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: incident because he was knocked out when the thing happened

701
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: and unconscious. So it turns out Michael having been in

702
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: the Army has a twenty thousand dollars life insurance policy

703
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: purely from just being in the army. There wasn't just

704
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: the Army life insurance policy, there were several other on

705
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: her son. So she all of that money and she

706
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: goes and opens a beauty salon called Fingers and Faces.

707
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah? I'm pretty. Make me pretty.

708
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: Make my fingers and faces pretty, please?

709
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: I have ten fingers and four faces. Can someone help me?

710
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Fingers and Facing. That's the kind of place if I

711
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: thought I would take a picture of it and try

712
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: to think of a good tweet about it. Fingers and faces, okay.

713
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: Like concentrate on one of those things.

714
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, Yeah, they're not a nail salon in a

715
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: facial place. Never the Twain shall meet, Like can you

716
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: imagine you're there trying to get a facial with like

717
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: cucumbers on your eyes and then not like nail polish

718
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: smell lofts in or it's like relax, relax, We're peeling

719
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: off the top three layers of your facial skin. Okay.

720
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: In the meantime, there's some people out there that are like,

721
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: I like fingers and faces. Oh do you have photos.

722
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: By the way, we can show photos.

723
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: No, okay it I mean not yet? Oh okay, great, okay, sorry.

724
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: She starts dating a local businessman named John gentry So

725
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: in October of nineteen eighty two, I mean Jude. They

726
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: said she had a really magnetic personality. Of course, clearly

727
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: she can get any man and poison any man she wants.

728
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: It was his He was a local businessman. Was it

729
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: called toes and toes and decoltage? Yeah, chosen elbow, toes and.

730
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: Neck he his business was shaving men's neck beards off

731
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: in the seventies, and pedicure and promising this your feet

732
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: and just being like, you're gonna wear those bergen stocks.

733
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: You've got to get rid of that heel shit. Gross.

734
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: So they were a match made in heaven. None of

735
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: this is true. He probably did taxes. Okay. So in

736
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: October of nineteen eight eighty two, Judy, as you do

737
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: when you start dating someone, convinces John that they should

738
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: take out life insurance policies on each other. You know that.

739
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: Next step? Yeah, romantic? Next step?

740
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you date you fuck you take out life insurance

741
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: policies on each other.

742
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: Boom, I mean come on, yeah, that's how it is.

743
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Let's get real. Then she tries to start. She gives

744
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: him special vitamins that she said are going to be

745
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 1: very good for him. They're citrus based today, as most

746
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: things are here at Florida, and you know, there's nothing

747
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: wrong with him. But she's like, it looks like you

748
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: need something. So of course he starts taking them, starts vomiting,

749
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: feeling weak, the whole thing. So he stops taking them,

750
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: and this infuriates her. Good, oh, these are all.

751
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: Good science that you're getting poisoned.

752
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just like, so you're mad about the vitamins

753
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: or is it something else? No, it's the vitamins. So

754
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: on June twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three, she tells John

755
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: that she's pregnant, and she insists that they get married,

756
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: which I think has something to do with the life

757
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: insurance policy.

758
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: It's fun to insist that you get married to someone, Yeah,

759
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: insists it's so romantic. I know that instence.

760
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: I demand that you love me forever. Okay, So the

761
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: same night, she's hosting a party for an employee at

762
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Fingers and Faces. I think it was someone that specialized

763
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: in faces. It was the face side of the business.

764
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: And all the fingers people sat on one side of

765
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: the room and that face people sat on the otherity fight.

766
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: They're really catty. But she tells John that he should

767
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: drive his own car to the party and park in

768
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: a very specific parking spot, okay, And he's like, sounds good.

769
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't question you in any way. And thanks for

770
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: those vitamins, Judy. Oh God. So at the end of

771
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: the night, she says, on the way home home, will

772
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: you stop by the liquor store and get some champagne

773
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: and bring it home for us. He's like, sure, no problem,

774
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: And on his drive to the liquor store his car explodes,

775
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: but he survives. I don't have a picture of this car.

776
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: I should but bring it. Explain it to us, Okay,

777
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: I picture it. Draw I'll paint you a picture. What

778
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: I meant these early, these early one of those early

779
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: eighties cars that looks like it's a rectangle with two things.

780
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: Cut out, right, child would draw a car exactly.

781
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: There's no curve in any way. This is before the

782
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Ford tourists, when everything was still real boxy, and I

783
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: think it's like kind of a creamy yellow color. Absolutely

784
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: fucking what are they bucket seats.

785
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: Sunflower, it's sunflower color, sunflower bench seats.

786
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, that's the confetti lady. She knows everything. Okay,

787
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: so the entire back. So it turned out there were

788
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: five sticks of dynamite in the trunk that we're connected

789
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: with copper wire to the rear lights. So the first

790
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: time he fucking put on those brakes, the back of

791
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: the car exploded. Five pieces of dynamite. Worth where do.

792
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: You even by dynamite? I acme, I think right, everyone

793
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: knows the idiot.

794
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: She also got a couple anvils, but that was for

795
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: later when he actually got home. And then of course,

796
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: just a big black spot. She was gonna put down

797
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: on the ground and call into I could keep making

798
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: Roadrunner references forever. Everybody abandon child. I was raised by TV. Okay, okay.

799
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: So of course the cops since he survives, are like, hey,

800
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: do you know anyone who wants to kill you? And

801
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: he's like, no, this is nuts. Although, oh, we did

802
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: have a vitamin incident at our house a couple months ago.

803
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: So they start looking into it and they get the

804
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: vitamins that he she had been giving him, and it

805
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: turns out there's a pair of formaldehyde in the vitamins,

806
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: which is the chemical that you use at nail salons

807
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: to clean the instruments. Ooh, the blue shit bangers faces,

808
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the bluish.

809
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: Like barber sal stuff.

810
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know whatever whatever pair of formaldehide is.

811
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I should have looked it up.

812
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: On'm sorry and you shouldn't have that said, Yeah, good one, listen, look.

813
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: Loo come up. Thank you so much. Okay. Then they

814
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: find out that when Judy and John had their romantic

815
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: life insurance policy takeout session, she had secretly behind his back,

816
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: raised his limit to five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, so

817
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: then he was like, huh, maybe things aren't as they seem.

818
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: So the cops then have like probable cause, I guess,

819
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: to get a warrant and search the house, and they

820
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: find there is copper wire in the teenage son's room, James,

821
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: that match the copper wiring that hook the TNT up

822
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: to the rear view life. I'm sorry, but that is

823
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: just the I mean, not car bombs are bad, but

824
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: that is fucking hilarious. Or you're just like gassing it,

825
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: gassing it. Oh oh, maybe I'll break No, I don't

826
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: have to. It's like, I just wish I could have

827
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: seen it in the cartoon way, not in a real

828
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: person way. Okay. So they also find out that Judy

829
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: had made plans to go on a world cruise and uh,

830
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: John was non invited, So no ticket for John oh Man. Yeah,

831
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: so they're like, this doesn't seem great. So in July

832
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty three, Judy is arrested for attempted murder,

833
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: as is her teenage son, but he is later acquitted. Okay,

834
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: trial and because this is so fucking nuts, it raises

835
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: suspicions about the one thousand other dead people in her life.

836
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: So they start exooming bodies and it turns out her

837
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: son Michael had also had Arsnick in his system, and

838
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: James Goodyear had Arsnick in his system, and Bobby Joe

839
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: Morris had Arsnick in his system heavy doses, it is

840
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: described as. So then she's charged with their murders also,

841
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: So the first trial was for her son Michael, and

842
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: in court the prosecutors actually show how based on the

843
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: things that got dumped out of the canoe, where basically

844
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: all the stuff in the canoe was dumped out where

845
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: James and Judy were treading water and holding onto the canoe.

846
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: But where Michael's body was there was nothing, so they

847
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: it couldn't have tipped where he was found. So basically

848
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: they dumped him out of the canoe and then rode

849
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: away and then staged the accident. Wow you can tell

850
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: all that, yeah, by floating bags filled with like fucking

851
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: Cheetos and stuff because they kept all the stuff around. Yeah, yeah, weird. Yes.

852
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: So she's convicted of the murder of her son Michael

853
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: on March thirty first, nineteen eighty four, and then in

854
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: October she goes to trial for the attempted murder of

855
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: her boyfriend John Gentry. She's convicted of that murder. Her

856
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: third trial begins a year later, and for this she's

857
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: facing the death penalty for the nineteen seventy one murder

858
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: of her first husband, James Goodyear by arsenic poisoning. On

859
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: November twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five, she's found guilty of

860
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: that murder and she's sentenced to die in the electric chair. Yeah. So,

861
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: of course she denies ever having anything to do with

862
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: any of these deaths. It's just a series of terrible coincidences.

863
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Fingers faces.

864
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: Fingers faces crossed.

865
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Yes, across your fingers, across your face. Everything turns out good.

866
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: So she never says anything when she's on death row.

867
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: But twelve years into her sentence, she decides to grant

868
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: an interview to a local newswoman named Sue Straw. You

869
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: know Sue, she's good because Sue was a customer at

870
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Judy's nail salon. And they say Sue, and Sue says,

871
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: in this show that I'm watching, she was like I

872
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: even then I could not see her as a murderer

873
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: because she said she was just so soft. And then

874
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn it, Sue, she's a sociopath.

875
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: That's the whole game, because they're gonna act like the

876
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: thing that you wouldn't suspect, you.

877
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: Know who killed people? Soft people?

878
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, they kill people too, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, it's

879
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: better to act soft than everyone's like her. She's such

880
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: a lady with her beautiful fingers and her gorgeous face.

881
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: But then they have this clip of that interview and

882
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: when Sue brings up the charge that Judy had dumped

883
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: her own paralyzed son out of a fucking canoe and

884
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: drown him, she goes from talking like this of this

885
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: has been very hard for me, and she's kind of

886
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: like one of these ladies. And then Sue's like, yeah,

887
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: but how about that canoe thing, And she's like, and

888
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: who said that? What witness said that? No witness said that.

889
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: The prosecutions, and she like turns into the fucking wicked

890
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: witch of the East so quickly, and it's scary. It's

891
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: like one of those teachers where like they're nice to

892
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: the class and then you do some weird thing and

893
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 1: they're like get around and you're just like, holy shit,

894
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh it's you can watch it. It's real good. And

895
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: then the reaction shot of Sue's straw, she's like this,

896
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: oh my face and my fingers. Uh okay. So then

897
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: on March thirtieth, nineteen eighty eight, Judy Buenoano is put

898
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: to death in the electric chair. She's a second woman

899
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: in Florida state history to have been put to death

900
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: only elect your chaw. Her last meal, oh dear, this

901
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: is gonna make it for me not to be not

902
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: to minimize the insane human loss in this story, but

903
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: for me, this is one of the most upsetting parts

904
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: of the story. Her last meal was a salad of broccoli, tomato,

905
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: and asparagus. Go fuck yourself, Fuck you, Judy.

906
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 2: It's not a fucking salad to begin with. Yeah, that's

907
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 2: an array of fucking gross things that nobody wants to eat.

908
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: Asparagus, Like what what are You're just gonna chew on

909
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of asparagus for an hour? Oh and she

910
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: had hot tea fuck off God, just my natural enemy,

911
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: this woman. Yeah, and she also told a reporter she

912
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: was looking forward to seeing the face of Jesus. Oh, Judy,

913
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: dad news, it don't work.

914
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: Like she was actually saying the fingers of the devil

915
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: in reality, not the face of Jesus.

916
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: Jesus. Jesus is like, I'm not going to be there

917
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: for you, she told. And I don't know if it

918
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: was Sus Straw or another reporter, but she did tell

919
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: a reporter before it happened, obviously before that happened, but

920
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: like a while before when she was asked, she said

921
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: her final words are going to be via condios. But

922
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: on the actual day when she got walked to the chair, uh,

923
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: and they asked her if she had any final words,

924
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: she said, no, sir. Now here's a poem written by

925
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: Judy Bueno ready. Oh, everyone closed your eyes? Everyone closed?

926
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: I just want to soak this in masks by Judy

927
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: b are you closing your eyes closed? Don't be fooled

928
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: by me. Don't be fooled by the face I wear, befo,

929
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I wear a thousand masks, masks I'm afraid to take off,

930
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: and none of them are me. Pretending is an art

931
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: that's second nature to me. But don't be fooled. For

932
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: God's sake, don't be fooled. Wow, yeah, that's Judy Buenoanyo. Everybody?

933
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh shit, shit did they do it? Shit?

934
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: Do it?

935
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 4: Is it?

936
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: There?

937
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: There is that her? Oh my gosh, look at her.

938
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: She's like, seriously, go fuck yourself if you think I'm guilty.

939
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: She's like hot tea and vegetables. Motherfucker. Oh I love

940
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: tomatoes so much to wait, I think there might be

941
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: one more she had. There's also really good footage of

942
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: her glaring. When witnesses would come up and testify against her,

943
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: she would be glaring at them. She's got she is

944
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: very small eyebrows and in kind of beady eyes. Oh

945
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: that's what she looked like once Sustraw interviewed her a

946
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: much later on, I see.

947
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: Her snapping Bye Judy, Bye Judy.

948
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: Good one. I love this. I know these are fun.

949
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: We're firing Steven and hiring these little clickers. I'm We're

950
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: not really.

951
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Gonna do that. That was great. Thank you, Thank you

952
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: for that, Thank you for that.

953
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: It's all Judy, Judy, Judy.

954
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: All right, and we're back.

955
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: Karen, What is it about this story that makes it

956
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: one of your favorites?

957
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: Do you think it's interesting because it's so extreme, But

958
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: like when women do stuff like this oftentime, either it's

959
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: an organic issue in the brain or they have been

960
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: wronged horribly, which is a little bit like your story

961
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: that's coming up. So it is that kind of thing

962
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: where sometimes there's that vigilante of like I've had enough

963
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: and I'm not taking it. I'm going to act like

964
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: a man. And so that part is very compelling to me.

965
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: But then also which just she killed it seemingly every

966
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: man in her life at any time she could, which

967
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: is just outrageous, and she kept getting away with it. Yeah,

968
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: and she's just fascinating. So she has a grandson named

969
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: Alex Hawkins, and he right now is working on a

970
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: documentary about his grandmother's case and he's asking people to

971
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: keep an open mind about her life and her crimes,

972
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: which I think is really interesting. He's basically saying, yes,

973
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: she did these horrible things, but then there was this

974
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: other side of her, and she was philanthropic and she

975
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: was a nice woman, and like there's like that's part

976
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: of the story as well, that she was like a

977
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: maybe like a Jacqueline Hide, which I think is really interesting.

978
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: And then to me to lay under and she was

979
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: a woman of the early eighties where like you couldn't

980
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: be thin enough, you couldn't be pretty enough, you couldn't

981
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: be blonde enough, you.

982
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 2: Couldn't get a credit card in your own fucking name,

983
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: You had to have your husband or father sign up

984
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: for you.

985
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: She owned her own beauty salon, but I'm sure that

986
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: the bank didn't care when she want to get alone

987
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: or wanted to develop her business. Like it's all those

988
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: things where she was probably partially ahead of her time,

989
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: definitely abused as a child, there's all those terrible, perfect

990
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: storm things. I don't know, she's fascinating.

991
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny that you picked that story and

992
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: then I picked this one, this next one, which I

993
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: get a lot of comments on still like it comes

994
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 2: up a lot. Really, Yeah, I mean it's a fucking

995
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: heavy hitter, So maybe.

996
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: That's why heavy Hitter a Florida classic. Let's get into

997
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: Georgia's story right now about Eileen Warno's.

998
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: Eighties night, Oh Florida, you all ready for your girl?

999
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: Eileen Warnos.

1000
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: I feel like it's I feel like it's very important

1001
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: to say right now. You're you're the employees of the

1002
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: Hard Rock Cafe, and any any partners or loved ones

1003
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: that are here that have never listened. We are not

1004
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: cheering for a serial killer. That's not what's happening.

1005
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: This screaming except for Whisper County, this is not this

1006
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: is not for murder.

1007
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: No, it's about knowing about her. Yeah, it's about staying

1008
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: up at night and scaring the living shit out of

1009
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: yourself reading about what she did, and finally are not

1010
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: alone while you're going to be hearing about it. Yeah.

1011
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: This is one of those Oh this was from January second,

1012
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, when I stayed up all fucking night

1013
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: after watching Dateline because of this murder.

1014
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: I saw her picture and I stopped plucking my eyebrows.

1015
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of emotional connection.

1016
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right. This is a rough run because

1017
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: on one hand, you have, as is a female, you

1018
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: have so much empathy for her until she starts really

1019
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: murdering people, and.

1020
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: Then it's gone.

1021
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: So it's a tricky. It's a tricky situation as life is.

1022
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: It is.

1023
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: So between November nineteen eighty nine and November nineteen ninety,

1024
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: Eileen Warnos killed seven men along the highways of central Florida.

1025
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Let's but let's let's start in Rochester, Michigan though, okakay,

1026
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: so she's born. Ailin Warnas was born in Rochester, Michigan,

1027
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: February nineteen fifty six. Her mom, Diane, was fourteen years

1028
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: old when she gets married to the dad. They have

1029
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: a son named Keith when she's fifteen, I Leen when

1030
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: she's sixteen.

1031
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: Can you fucking imagine you think of yourself when you

1032
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: are fourteen years old having a fucking baby. Nope. I

1033
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: could barely handle Dorito's. I could advantage them alone. I

1034
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: had to have them taken out of my hand.

1035
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: I still have to say, take these away from me.

1036
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: It's evince when I'm eating something. And at fourteen, oh yeah, yeah,

1037
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: all right, So that's where we're starting.

1038
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 1: It's hard.

1039
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: Okay, we're starting there. Let's fucking do it. Do you

1040
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: want to see a photo of her when she's a

1041
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: little girl?

1042
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: I know would she's pretty. It's so fucking dark.

1043
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you lighting person.

1044
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: I know someone's on it, like paying attention. Well we

1045
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: are at the hard rock fucking casino. I mean they're like, yeah,

1046
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: we do this every night.

1047
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't the last resort bar. We'll get to

1048
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 2: that later. No, it's because I want to go party

1049
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: at the last resort bar.

1050
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: So bad. Okay, okay.

1051
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: Eileen's father, let's hear about him. Two months before Aileen

1052
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: is born, he's incarcerated. He's diagnosis schizophrenic, later convicted of

1053
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: raping and kidnapping a seven year old girl. Don't worry,

1054
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: he hangs himself in prison. When she's twelve years old,

1055
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: she never meets him.

1056
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know. It's weird.

1057
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: Again they're not clapping about, you know. January nineteen sixty,

1058
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: when Eileen's almost four years old, the mom, Diane, abandons them.

1059
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: The kids leaves them with their grandparents. They legally adopt her,

1060
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: and I think it's one of those situations where she

1061
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: didn't know that until she was older, Eileen. So a

1062
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff is everyone in her past is dead,

1063
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: all the men that she killed. Can't say exactly what happens,

1064
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: So it's all based on her own story, So we

1065
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: don't know completely what's true, but there is a lot

1066
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: of collaboration, but based on the kids she grew up with.

1067
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 2: So she says that her alcoholic grandfather sexually assaulted her,

1068
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: beat her when she was a child, and by age eleven,

1069
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: she starts engaging in sexual activities in exchange for cigarettes

1070
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: and drugs and food. She also engages in sexual activities

1071
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: with her brother. Yeah. And then so they would hang out,

1072
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: all the burnouts would hang out. And I'm sure you

1073
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: had a place like this in Sacramento, because I fucking

1074
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: had a place like this in Rheim, California. So the

1075
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: pits and it was like in the forest, a fucking

1076
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: like just the gross area where they're like the burnouts

1077
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: would hang out, you know what I mean. Yes, did

1078
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: you have one of those?

1079
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? Well? It's Petaluma ye uh. And

1080
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: we called it the Rock And it was this there

1081
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: was a hill behind like a convalas an hospital. You'd

1082
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: pull into the parking lot, and then you'd walk up

1083
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: this hill for like a half a mile and then

1084
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: there was just a rock that we'd all go sit

1085
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: on and drink like keystone light or whatever. Well, it

1086
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: turned out and I never put it together. The rock

1087
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: was in I could see my house from the rock.

1088
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: I could see like my parents watching TV from there,

1089
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: but it was like it was like I would say,

1090
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: half a mile away. Finally, one time, my sister goes, yeah,

1091
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: we can hear you guy every word you guys say

1092
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: out there, because there's nothing between the rock and my parents' house. Yeah,

1093
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: so we got to be out there just like Ugin

1094
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: Bliss Kimmy, and it just like they heard. They knew

1095
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: exactly what we were doing, and they knew exactly what

1096
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: we were talking about the entire time. That's so smart.

1097
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of genius. I mean, not on our park. No,

1098
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: that's stupid.

1099
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: You get home and your mom's like, I know you

1100
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: were eating Dorito's, Yeah, and you had to have them

1101
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: taken away from you.

1102
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: Karen. That's actually when I got caught smoking clothes. She yeah,

1103
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: because because I was so goth, because you smelled like

1104
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: a fucking spice cabinet. Hey, Hey, Christmas Ham, what's up?

1105
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: She but she came in. She did the classic you know,

1106
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: psychiatric nurse move on me. She held up the clothes

1107
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: that she found in my pocket when she was doing

1108
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: the laundry, and she goes, you can smoke these if

1109
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: you want, but they put glass in them and they

1110
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: cut your lungs, which is a fucking straight up lie.

1111
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: But I never smoked a clove again after that. It's

1112
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: not fun when your mom's like, go ahead, I'm doing shit.

1113
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: What you fucking do? Yeah? Like, oh, I was doing

1114
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: the lying. She cared, she.

1115
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: Wanted you to quit, okay, so she'd hang out with them.

1116
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: She said that she you know, there was a lot

1117
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: of sexual activity going on, and she was raped and

1118
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: later people from the town in this documentary I was

1119
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: watching said that she was treated very badly.

1120
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, here's a photo of her at like fourteen

1121
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: years old.

1122
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: Which is like, oh, she kind of looks like me

1123
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: when I was that age, like the skinny, kind of

1124
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: awkward nerd.

1125
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: I know. Okay, did she have her own boat? What?

1126
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: Life really sucked? But she did have her own boat.

1127
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: Lucky nineteen seventy. At age fourteen, she gets pregnant, possibly

1128
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: by a friend of the family, an older man. She

1129
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: gives birth to a boy and a home for unwed mothers,

1130
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: and the kids place up the child's place for adoption.

1131
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: A few months later, she drops out of school. Her

1132
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: grandmother dies, her grandfather kicks her out of the house,

1133
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: so she's supporting herself as a sex worker. Lives in

1134
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: the woods for a while, then hits the fucking road

1135
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: at sixteen, hitchhikes around the country.

1136
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: For five years.

1137
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: Where's that baby adopted?

1138
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 4: Oh?

1139
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh good, good, and I don't yeah. She ends up

1140
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: eventually in nineteen seventy six in Daytona Beach, Florida.

1141
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: Here she is okay.

1142
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: She meets a sixty nine year old yacht club president.

1143
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: Uh ooh name Lou Grant's fell. She marries him. I

1144
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: think she's twenty two at this time. She's twenty two,

1145
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: he's sixty nine.

1146
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1147
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: No, they're just they're just grossed out by this. What

1148
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: is it something December romance? Oh May December?

1149
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't like love turns apparently not.

1150
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: So, but she's still getting in confrontation. She's kind of

1151
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: a brawler.

1152
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: She's she's had it totally shit.

1153
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all she knows is hitchhiking and fucking staying alive. Yeah,

1154
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: so they get they they are fighting all the time.

1155
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: She kind of loses it all the time. She has

1156
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: these like bursts of anger, and she eventually hits him

1157
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: with his own cane and he gets a restraining order

1158
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: against her. Their marriage is annulled after only nine weeks.

1159
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm just picturing Anna Nicole Smith's wedding picture but slightly different.

1160
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what it's like, right picture, Anna Nicole

1161
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: Smith a little methier. Okay, he's a little bit younger,

1162
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: but like snazzy, you know, got he's got his yachting

1163
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: cap on. He's kind of rich.

1164
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,919
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's thirst and albo third.

1165
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and and Methanna Nicole Smith.

1166
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: Or is not nice. It's not funny at all. Okay.

1167
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: So then her brother Keith dies of throat cancer, devastating

1168
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: to her. They're actually really close. He was kind of yeah,

1169
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: it's it's weird. It's a weird relationship obviously. Oh probably

1170
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: same brother.

1171
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1172
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then her grandfather dies from her parents' suicide, so

1173
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: she's on her fucking own.

1174
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1175
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: After her divorce, she has tons of run ins with

1176
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: the law. She's arrested for drunk driving, Florida prison for

1177
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: arm robbery. She robs a liquor store in a bikini.

1178
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: The inspiration for the film spring Breakers.

1179
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: There you go, she does it in a bikini. She

1180
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: gets the fuck out, drives away, her car breaks down

1181
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: down the road, she gets caught.

1182
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: She I know that she ends up being a very

1183
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: bad person, but she also has the worst fucking luck

1184
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: of all time.

1185
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: It sounds like she is not mentally stable, right clearly. Bikini,

1186
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 2: paroled in nineteen eighty three, returns to sex work. Around

1187
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. She meets what would become really the

1188
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: love of her life, twenty four year old Tyra Moore.

1189
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: They meet at a Daytona beach gay bar in she's

1190
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: a hotel maid. In the movie Monster, she's played by

1191
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: Christina Ricci. She does not look like Christina Ricci. That

1192
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: was a stretch, even when they cut all of Christina

1193
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: Ricci's hair off.

1194
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: She does not look like Christina Ricci.

1195
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: But she's like a cute young thing, you know what

1196
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean. Youth gives everyone good looks. They meet and

1197
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 2: Tyra's ales and weirdly, Eileen's not really a lesbian. She

1198
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: just finally has someone who loves her for who she is.

1199
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: She wants to be loved.

1200
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has someone who wants to stick by her.

1201
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: She has someone she can take care of. It almost

1202
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: seems like that's what she always needed because she had

1203
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: had relationships men in the past. We're all disastrous, et cetera,

1204
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: et cetera. They go home that night together and they

1205
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: move in together, and Eileen is really controlling over her,

1206
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: so she makes her quit her job and she said

1207
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: she's going to earn money with sex work to take

1208
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: care of her. And Tyra didn't approve of it, but

1209
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Okay, So there's a book

1210
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: called Deer Don Wore Nos in her own words. So

1211
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: this chick, Don Botkins was her best friend from when

1212
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: she was a teenager, and when Eileen ends up in prison,

1213
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: she just sends her like four letters a day of

1214
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: like it's crazy stuff, but they published a book about it.

1215
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: So she says to Don that when she was in

1216
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: a gay relationship, she starts getting triggered by all these

1217
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: awful things that are happening to them. Because it's Florida

1218
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: in the mid eighties. Lesbians, you know, not allowed. So

1219
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 2: they say, like one of the neighbors kills their pets

1220
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: because they're lesbians living together. And she said it fueled

1221
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: the fire within. They couldn't find a place to live.

1222
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: No one would let them live there together, and if

1223
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: they did, they'd like raise their rent really high because

1224
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: they were lesbians. So Eileen feels like she has to hustle.

1225
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: She carries a gun with her and she's just really unstable.

1226
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: She starts hitchhiking and she starts stealing from people. Okay,

1227
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: so this is when our first murder takes place. November thirtieth,

1228
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, and Clearwater. Richard Mallory. He's a fifty

1229
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: one year old electronics for Pamman. He picks Aileen up

1230
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: outside of Tampa. She's just hitchhiking. Then she propositions him.

1231
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: He agrees. They pull off the road and they drink

1232
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: and talk until dawn, which is so weird. And again

1233
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: this is all this is all based on her telling

1234
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: what happened.

1235
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know.

1236
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: Eventually, she shoots him four times in the chest in

1237
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: the back. She takes his money, hides him in the

1238
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: woods under a carpet, and takes his car back to Tyra.

1239
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: She tells Tyra that she killed this student took his car.

1240
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: Tyra's like, I didn't believe her, so she says, I

1241
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: mean no tells hers isn't believe her. Then two weeks later,

1242
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 2: Richard's body is found in a wooded area in and

1243
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: I wrote this phonetically the Lusha County.

1244
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: It's now isn't Felujah in the Middle East?

1245
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: Somewhere After a six month break after killing Richard Mallory.

1246
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 2: On June first, nineteen ninety, the body of David Spears,

1247
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: a forty three year old corinstruction worker in Winter Garden,

1248
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: is found.

1249
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cities here to get ready to

1250
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: cheer for your city or any city you've ever heard of.

1251
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: He's found nude along Florida State Road nineteen in Citrus County.

1252
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: He's been shot six times. Then June sixth, nineteen ninety,

1253
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: Charles Carscaden, he's forty, part time rodeo workers' bodies found

1254
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: in Pascal County. He's been shot nine times with a

1255
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: twenty two. Nineteen ninety Peter Simes leaves Jupiter, Florida for Arkansas.

1256
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 2: He is sixty five retired merchant Seamen, who devoted much

1257
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: of his time to Christian outreach ministry. On July fourth,

1258
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, his car is found in Orange Springs, Florida.

1259
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: And then so Tyra and Eileen are seen abandoning his

1260
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: car and after they accidentally got in a car accident, and.

1261
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,480
Speaker 1: She had so much car trouble.

1262
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: Making a car accident, like people are like, hey, can

1263
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: we help you, And they're like nope, and just run

1264
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: into the fucking wilderness because they're like, this car, she

1265
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: prized the license plate off with their bare fucking hands,

1266
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: and they book.

1267
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: It from this car, and the family's just standing there, ma'am, ma'am,

1268
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: are you okay? Yeah?

1269
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, And so they're like, here's what she looked like.

1270
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: And they and at this point they're like, what, we

1271
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: don't know why all these men are turning up dead

1272
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: with the same gun. They kind of know there's a

1273
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: serial killer at this point going on. So they find

1274
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 2: out the car has come.

1275
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: From this this guy who went up went missing.

1276
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: So they have their photos and the drawings in the

1277
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: paper at this point, and they get Eileen's fingerprints off

1278
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: the car, which we're on file because she's gotten in

1279
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: so much trouble before, remember the bikini incident. So they're

1280
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: looking for her at this point. So then she kills

1281
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: Troy Burris. He's fifty years old, sausage salesman from o'callack Okalla?

1282
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: What they say? Okalla? You were able to get Okalla

1283
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: out of the second out of that because I knew

1284
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: it was one of two things, and I knew that

1285
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: I was probably gonna get it wrong. They should put

1286
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: accents over these vowels that are so important. I mean,

1287
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 1: it would be nice.

1288
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: And then on July so he On July thirty first,

1289
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, he's reported missing. And then in August fourth,

1290
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, his body's found in a wooded area a

1291
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: long State Road nineteen in Marion County. He's been chaw twice.

1292
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 2: Charles Dick Humphrey fifty six September eleventh, nineteen ninety, retired

1293
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: US Air Force major, former state child abuse investigator, oh

1294
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: and former chief of police. On September twelfth, nineteen ninety,

1295
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: his body's found in County. He's fully clothed, had been

1296
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: shot six times in the head and torso and his

1297
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: car is later found in Suwannee County.

1298
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: No seems like you did it right or not enough

1299
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: people care. They're like, just say what you want. We

1300
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: don't like that place that much anyways.

1301
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: Walter Antonio, aged sixty two, he's a trucker security guard,

1302
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 2: police reservist. November nineteenth, nineteen ninety, his nearly nude body

1303
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,799
Speaker 2: is found near a remote logging road in Dixie County.

1304
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 2: He'd been shot four times. Five days later, his car

1305
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: is found as well. So then finally they're like looking

1306
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 2: for her. They track her down to a biker bar

1307
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: in Port Orange called the Last Resort.

1308
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: Yelped it still there for real? Oh hell yeah.

1309
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: And there's a picture on the wall that said, like

1310
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: Eileen Moarnels had her last beer here.

1311
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: Like they're into a.

1312
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: After party, guys.

1313
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: Then that's kind of nice. There's a bar somewhere that's

1314
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: like us, a whole bar full of drunks. That's just

1315
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: like they were like, check this shit out. Are you

1316
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: freaking out? I'm freaking out. Let's all freak out. That's

1317
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: so good. M yeah, okay, So they grab her.

1318
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: They find Tyra, who at this point was like I'm

1319
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: getting the fuck out of here, had gone back home.

1320
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: She they find her and they're like, listen, we don't

1321
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 2: think you did anything, so you need to get a

1322
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: confession and we won't prosecute you. So she's like, all right,

1323
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: calls are they like, have all these calls from the

1324
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: fucking motel. Finally, Eileen's like, I'll confessed so you don't

1325
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: get in trouble for it.

1326
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: So she did help, right, she did get a bedding.

1327
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: She I think that she She says she only knew

1328
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: about the one that the first one, and she didn't

1329
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 2: believe Eileen.

1330
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:57,919
Speaker 1: She didn't believe the other eighteen.

1331
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: She says, I did him on around, never told her

1332
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: about them. Oh, she was just getting cars and money,

1333
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: That's all she knew about. She thought she was stealing them.

1334
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: But wasn't she there when they ran into the woods

1335
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: after they got into the car accident.

1336
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she said, this car is stolen. We gotta

1337
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: get the fuck up. Oh okay, you know what I mean.

1338
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I just dined. Don't buy it, Okay, yeah, okay.

1339
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,879
Speaker 2: So Eileen ends up confessing to all the murders in detail,

1340
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: but she, along with the help of her defense, claims

1341
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: they were all in self defense, that all the men

1342
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 2: had attacked her and tried to rape her and kill.

1343
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: Her, except she shot them six to nine times.

1344
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of them were clothed. There was

1345
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: no I don't know, yeah, okay, yeah, all right. So

1346
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: then this the fucking trial blows up.

1347
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: Do you remember it? Like, yes, absolutely huge, right, And people.

1348
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 2: Are trying to make money left and right off for

1349
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: books and movies, even like some of the cops are

1350
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 2: like trying to get movie deals out of it. And

1351
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: then this woman named Arlene Prail, She's like, I saw

1352
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 2: her on TV and I needed to I knew she

1353
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: was innocent, and I don't know if she's Southern, and

1354
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: I needed to be friends with her.

1355
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: It's the best voice.

1356
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just knew in my heart then Jesus,

1357
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: you know whatever. And she's like and I needed didn't

1358
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: know her, and I think they had money, so she

1359
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: was going to help her with But she's like, and

1360
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to her, but the only way

1361
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: they could get into prison to talk to.

1362
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 1: Her was if you were related to her. So she

1363
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: and her husband adopt her her. What the fuck? Can

1364
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: I tell you how excited I was when I heard.

1365
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 2: That today in the hotel. Yes, I was just like,

1366
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna love that part adopts her, and this woman,

1367
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: not surprisingly turns out to be a fucking crazy person

1368
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: and ends up making like fifty thousand dollars off of

1369
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: like once to do like an art show to like

1370
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: put up all of Eileen's drawings and stuff, is selling

1371
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: all the shit to the media, and Eileen Lander's like

1372
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:52,959
Speaker 2: fucked up bitch.

1373
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: Picks her out of her fucking life. It's almost like

1374
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: a bad version of the blind Side. Oh yeah, it's

1375
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: like if the blind Side was a fucked up super

1376
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: dark like yeah, yeah, sucks.

1377
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 2: Bless her heart.

1378
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: Bless her heart though.

1379
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 2: Okay, So so Eileen is and you see these videos

1380
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: of her, and there's just she's clearly a million different people.

1381
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: She's so crazy sometimes and so sympathetic and sad sometimes.

1382
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: She takes the psychopathy checklist test thing, which means which

1383
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: if you get thirty points you're legally a psychopath or whatever,

1384
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: and she gets thirty two.

1385
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: Yes, she passed. She fucking nailed that test. The tests, Eileen.

1386
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: It's the first time that you succeeded in your life.

1387
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: They didn't like that, they really did those fucking side.

1388
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: Are you on? I've turned on?

1389
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: You know.

1390
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right.

1391
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 2: She is diagnosed with orderline and antisocial personality disorder, and

1392
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: her love of her life, Tyra, ends up testifying against her, Yeah,

1393
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 2: which she just like did I don't think she realized

1394
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: that she was turning on her like that.

1395
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then she.

1396
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: Gets sentenced to sentenced to death. Convicted and IgG first

1397
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: degree murder, sentenced to death. Says to the jury as

1398
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: they're walking out, I hope you all get raped.

1399
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you can't say that. No, that's fucking horrible.

1400
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she says that when they convict her, and

1401
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 2: then the next day they have to go back in

1402
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: for sentencing, and she's like, Shuitt, probably like, have you

1403
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 2: noticed the borderline thing? That's what happened yesterday today. I'm fine, don't.

1404
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: Be mad about that rape, okay, guys, because I was

1405
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: just upset.

1406
01:19:58,360 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: I take it back.

1407
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm really I can be that way sometimes. That's like

1408
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: when you like stand up at a table and like

1409
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: tell people off and walk out, and then you're like, oh, sorry,

1410
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get my purse. I left my purse on

1411
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: the chair. No, I lean, I know, come on, stop it,

1412
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it. That's cheap comedy and I don't

1413
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,480
Speaker 1: want you to support me in it, please. Horrifying.

1414
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: So after almost twenty years in solitary lockdown on July one,

1415
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, at the age okay, when she

1416
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: was convicted, she was thirty six years old.

1417
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: Hi, that's a year younger than me.

1418
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 2: If you see these photos of her, you're like, damn,

1419
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: that could be my adopted mother.

1420
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: What fuck? Okay? Which did she do math and stuff?

1421
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 5: No?

1422
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1423
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was an extreme alcoholic.

1424
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

1425
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: She says a lot of these things were done in

1426
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 2: blackouts alcoholic.

1427
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, meth, Matthew Meth. I gotta say though, as a

1428
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: blackout alcoholic, I didn't get anything done.

1429
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 2: It's nice to hear because I always thought like, maybe

1430
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm just a bad blackout drunk. No, because I don't

1431
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: black out often. But if I do, it's because I

1432
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 2: fell the fuck asleep.

1433
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that blacking out with like a weird taco

1434
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: on your chest or something area. You're just like, oh,

1435
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to have that at the time, and now

1436
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: a taco, just a taco from Jack in the Box,

1437
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm thinking. Weird taco or the

1438
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: one a good taco, like not a you didn't go

1439
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: to the taco truck and get a good taco. You

1440
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: were just like nagga, damn.

1441
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: Or the one that they have now with the egg

1442
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 2: is the taco that's a weird taco. It's like a

1443
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 2: fucking I keep spinning.

1444
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: I spitch so much this whole talk.

1445
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: It's like an you don't want to know what it's

1446
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: like an egg, like a let's say a hard or

1447
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: a fried egg. And then they used the fried egg

1448
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: as a taco shaw what for for breakfast taco? I

1449
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,440
Speaker 2: don't understand. I've only seen photos.

1450
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: Is Taco Bell? Is this like a it's Taco Bell

1451
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: Coaco Belt cannot make eggs. That should not be legal?

1452
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: That should they also that whenever you see like an

1453
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: egg and like no it's not scrambled, You're like, oh,

1454
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: it's a real egg. I know this where this came from.

1455
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: Like what did they do to that egg to make

1456
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 2: it look like it's in.

1457
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: A real spang? I think saw dust that's dyed white

1458
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: or something. That's how many people are going to die

1459
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: because of eggs at Taco Belt, Like thousands and thousands

1460
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: are like, oh, we forgot to put those ones in

1461
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 1: the refrigerator for nine months now they're babies. They kept,

1462
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: we thought they kept.

1463
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: Okay, shit, we should.

1464
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: I feel like from now on, at the top of

1465
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: this show, we should go over any new fast food

1466
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: that I haven't heard of, because my mind is fucking

1467
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: blown right now.

1468
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: Yesterday when we did, when we were in Tampa and

1469
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: I was telling on Karen, you've been there, you have

1470
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 2: an active series killer. So I was telling Karen and

1471
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: everyone else here on the audience about a murder that

1472
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: happened in Lando Lakes, and Karen lost her fucking mine.

1473
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was a real place where the

1474
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: butter came from. I didn't either. I became legitimately starstruck

1475
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: by a city that produces butter.

1476
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm not putting you down because I didn't until I

1477
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 2: was doing my research and I was.

1478
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: Like, what, it's crazy. It's just, oh God, bless it.

1479
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: There are good things that happened in this world. Also,

1480
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: it's just nice to remember that positivity. There's a lake

1481
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 1: filled with butter somewhere in Florida. I love that. I

1482
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: love that.

1483
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: Put that on the positivity board.

1484
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: Put it on a positivity board next time. That won't

1485
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: get you fired. Probably don't forget landa lakes every Edward

1486
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: get in here now, stop using the positivity board. It

1487
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: was Edward. Yeah.

1488
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So after almost twenty years solitary, fucking lockdown, writing awful, yeah,

1489
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: writing down crazy fucking letters for four days, four times

1490
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: a day, and these are bananas letters. Sometimes they are coherent,

1491
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: sometimes they're not. It's really fucking sad. Like, for a moment,

1492
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 2: I hadn't really read about a lot of this, and

1493
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 2: for a moment I felt really bad for her, and

1494
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, wait a minute, she fucking

1495
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 2: killed a bunch of people and called blood for no

1496
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: fucking reason. Yeah, okay, got it, And okay. At the

1497
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: age of forty five, she goes up to the state

1498
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 2: and is like, can we stop it with it mandated

1499
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: appeals and can you just kill me?

1500
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: No?

1501
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I'm sick of all the fucking tax

1502
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 2: pair money going to this. It's bullshit.

1503
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: And they were like, hey, remember when you said you

1504
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: wanted us to be raped? The answer is no. Well,

1505
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: she was like, got people.

1506
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: Every time that I get that, the appeals get overturned,

1507
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 2: some fucking big wig politician gets like his bump because

1508
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: he fucking he knows her, keeps her in and that's

1509
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 2: the guy who's hard on crime, and like she's she's

1510
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: kind of over it and crazy. Yeah, clearly, so she says.

1511
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: She says, look, bros, the murders weren't and weren't self defense.

1512
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: I fucking killed them because I robbed them and I

1513
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 2: didn't want any witnesses. So they're like, okay, uh, let's

1514
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: do it. And so at the I'm paraphrasing, at the case,

1515
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: you were like, what happened to our legal system?

1516
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: Well? And because that in and of itself could be

1517
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: a lie. I mean like there's so it's such a

1518
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: great area and she's just back later. But I don't

1519
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: know how to feel about her. I know, the age

1520
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: of forty six years old. October ninth, two thousand and two,

1521
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: she is put to death. She said on the stand

1522
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: that when she's doing this thing, I kill again, I

1523
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 1: have hate crawling through my system. Oh that's it. Two

1524
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: thousand and two. Right, that's silent, good bye? I mean,

1525
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: why not? Wow? But she had it real bad. But

1526
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: there's lots of people that have it real bad. That's

1527
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: the thing. That is the thing.

1528
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, who wants a jewelry box?

1529
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: We don't have books.

1530
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 2: We have time for a quick home to you do too.

1531
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. Are there any updates for this case?

1532
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: Nothing really new to report.

1533
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 2: In October of twenty twenty five, Netflix did just release

1534
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 2: the documentary Eileen, Queen of the Serial Killers, which explores

1535
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 2: Eileen's case. It's got a lot of great information, so

1536
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 2: check that out if you're interested. And then also the

1537
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 2: owner of the Last Resort Bar, which I have a

1538
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: T shirt from from that show someone brought me.

1539
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, remember that's yes.

1540
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 2: So the owner of that bar al bullying owns some

1541
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 2: of Eileen's belongings and believes.

1542
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: That she haunts his bar.

1543
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like it almost seems like she's wanted there,

1544
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 2: which is like a nice little button on that where

1545
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: she was just so you know, such an outcast.

1546
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Yes, like that's somewhere she belonged, as opposed to haunting

1547
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 1: this strip of highway where she kind people. It's definitely

1548
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: a nicer idea, totally. Okay, Now we're going to go

1549
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: back into this live show and listen to a hometown

1550
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: from the audience. Tell them the rules. There's no rules.

1551
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: They're really quick. Let's just do some rules really quick.

1552
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: It would be nice if you're if the hometown that

1553
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you have is from Florida, it's just more fun, right

1554
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: because then other people can yell at whatever city you name.

1555
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: It's good if you're not so drunk that you lose

1556
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: your own place and your own story. But that's up

1557
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: to you, and you can't read off paper. Those are

1558
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: the rules. So with that in mind, it's George's night

1559
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: to pick. So don't torture them.

1560
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah there, god, uh oh, okay, go over there, Vince.

1561
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 2: Vince is right over there here bringing the sunglasses.

1562
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: How are you gonna get out? Yeah? Just come over this.

1563
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh can she clan rather time over? Oh my god,

1564
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: save some time? Yes? I love this. Yes, right down there,

1565
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for that.

1566
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 2: I saw her face when you went you can't be that.

1567
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: She was raising your hand. Then you go, you can't

1568
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: be that drunk. And she goes, that's night, like she

1569
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: got so excited that she wasn't that drunk. I'm right

1570
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: on the verge.

1571
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 2: Did she go, uh oh, it's like, don't get my sunglasses.

1572
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: So much pressure. Where'd she go? There? She comes, she's

1573
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: partying backstage. Huh oh, come on, honey, get out of here.

1574
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Bay hi I'm Kristin. Kristin. Then this is Kristen. Come

1575
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: over here, stand on the magic rug. Okay, Yeah, here

1576
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 1: we go.

1577
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Where are you from?

1578
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: Here? Orlando? Orlando, nice down yep. Okay.

1579
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 5: So this one is about my mom's best friend. When

1580
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 5: she was like twenty twenty one, she went over to

1581
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 5: her best friend Catherine's house because they were planning her.

1582
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: Wedding because she was engaged Catherine, she was engaged to

1583
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: this guy named Keith.

1584
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 5: And when they went over there, Catherine was missing because

1585
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 5: she'd I guessed, to and get hair dye or something,

1586
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 5: but she never came back. She's cops come and they

1587
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 5: have found her body in the trunk of the car.

1588
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: She's been beaten and stabbed. And it turns out, I'm

1589
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna make it pretty short.

1590
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 5: It turns out that her her fiance, Catherine's fiance, Keith's

1591
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 5: best friend Danny.

1592
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 1: Actually really hated Catherine and was in love with Keith.

1593
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Oh yes, this is a new one.

1594
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1595
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it but it gets even better, well, not better, yeah,

1596
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: you get it. Definitely worse. Definitely worse, Yeah, definitely worse. Well,

1597
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: it turns out that he used to like make our

1598
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 1: Danny used to make.

1599
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 5: Fun of Catherine all the time because apparently when we

1600
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 5: find out what happens. But he also used to call

1601
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 5: her the lazy Pig, Like would call her a lazy

1602
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 5: pig all the time.

1603
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: That's not fun. They found her car behind a restaurant

1604
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: called the Lazy Pig. Is that here in Orlando or

1605
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: not any longer? But yes, it was. What kind of

1606
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: restaurant was it? Want to go with barbecue? I don't know, Wow,

1607
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: makes sense. That was good deduction something, But yeah, he

1608
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: did that on purpose, like to send them. No, it

1609
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: was a total They actually did not find out it

1610
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: was him until a really long time after.

1611
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 5: With Jeff Ashton, he was part of the casey Anthony,

1612
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah he he. He started a whole cold case

1613
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 5: thing in Orlando, and she was actually the very first cold.

1614
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: Case that they solved. Wow. So it wasn't until long

1615
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 1: time after. But like, what have we got our guys?

1616
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: They years was it? I want to say, probably a

1617
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: good fifteen Wow.

1618
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like because this happened in the early

1619
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 5: seventies and they didn't find out until like more towards

1620
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 5: the late eighties.

1621
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: Can imagine this whole time, your friend's like Keith's like

1622
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: fucking crying and his friends helping him, and then it turned.

1623
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 5: Out to me I was, oh my god, yeah, because

1624
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 5: he was like you said, he was consoling and everything

1625
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,879
Speaker 5: and what a creep. Yeah, and it was like definitely

1626
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,839
Speaker 5: like a passion murder like and what was her name Catherine?

1627
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: Catherine, which is what really matters? Yeah, exactly, that's that

1628
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 1: was horrifying. Yeah, the lazy pig part is what freaks

1629
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: me out. Lazy pig is the fucking world.

1630
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh man, you would have loved the jewelry box.

1631
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: I feel bad now, ship because I was like, what

1632
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: did we give it to someone?

1633
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: And I don't want this ship? And I was like,

1634
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: she would love this. This is pretty cool. Okay, Kristen,

1635
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: everybody that was great? So good. Should we give her

1636
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 1: Vince's sunglasses as a gift? That was awesome? Wow, well done.

1637
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: Oh keep your eyes peeled for the friend of the

1638
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,759
Speaker 1: boyfriend to dick to you. Just yes, there's always something.

1639
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: Boys don't let your friends be dicks to your girlfriend's.

1640
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 1: And mamas don't let your babies grow to be cowboys.

1641
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: That's I would say, that's more important. Yeah, we're back.

1642
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: So this episode was originally titled Live at the Hard

1643
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: Rock in Orlando, but if we were naming it today,

1644
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 1: we would call it based on the episode Lady Bustn't

1645
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: for sure, it's gotta be What a name, what a

1646
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: perfect name? And then also, that's not glitter baby.

1647
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: The piece of fucking confetti that's just oh, blew down

1648
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 2: into this woman's lap like she was blessed.

1649
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It's so weird. It's like Momento, I'm

1650
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: getting flashes of this show because it had those big

1651
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: they had boxes that kind of went up into the

1652
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: sky right like it looked futuristic in the theater. Yeah,

1653
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: it looked like an actual amphitheater. But yeah, that was Oh.

1654
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Also and described the interior of that jewelry box ded

1655
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: salmon on the inside, which aren't we all samon on

1656
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: the inside.

1657
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: And then also and we called it the Rock, which

1658
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 2: is your burnout hangout, which I want to go to.

1659
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Take me there, please.

1660
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: Wine wine, cooler rock. I think it's all grown over now.

1661
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh all right, well, thanks you guys for listening to rewind.

1662
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 2: Let's go say goodbye from the Orlando Live show.

1663
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: Fuck Orlando, I mean that, thank you. I feel like

1664
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 1: that went so fast it did. That went really fast.

1665
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: What a fucking incredible show. Thank you so much for

1666
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: getting tickets, standing in line, doing all of this.

1667
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having us. Florida was not the

1668
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 2: state that I didn't want to go to. I wanted

1669
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 2: to come here because you guys just have so many murders.

1670
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so excited. It's crazy, the choices. It

1671
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: was an embarrassment of riches. Yeah. Oh, now you guys

1672
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: have to let christ and sit down. But as she passes,

1673
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: tell her what a great job. She a great job.

1674
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you guys all being here, mostly because

1675
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: you are enabling us to have this be our only job,

1676
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: which is fucking good and a dream come true. We're

1677
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: so lucky.

1678
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for supporting us through this whole insane

1679
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 2: that's been happening crazy, and thank you for being here

1680
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 2: with us.

1681
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 1: And stay sexy and don't care