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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's dj n V. Charlamagne the God. We are the

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, Mail Hill, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Hey. You know I always love to sit with y'all

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Speaker 3: enjoying the conversations.

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Speaker 4: That's right, And the paperback is out right now it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my baby is growed up a little bit. It's

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Speaker 3: now a toddler. I guess. So a year ago the

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Speaker 3: hardcover of my memoir Uphill came out and now the paperback.

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Speaker 5: How was the response to putting out a memoir, because

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Speaker 5: you know, in memoirs you put out so much information,

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Speaker 5: You reveal things you probably never told anybody. Well, response,

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Speaker 5: not just from the general public, but from like your

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Speaker 5: family and stuff.

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Speaker 3: The response was generally good. It was mostly positive. There

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Speaker 3: was somebody in my family who took issue with it,

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Speaker 3: and that created some tension and attention is still there, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, I'm still processing that part.

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Speaker 4: They did not have a conversation before, No, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean it was I was. I didn't think we did

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Speaker 3: have a conversation before, but I just didn't think. I

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Speaker 3: didn't think how they reacted to it would be the

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Speaker 3: way they reacted, and they took it to Facebook as

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Speaker 3: opposed to taking it to me. Yeah, and then they

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Speaker 3: aired our stuff that was not even in the book,

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Speaker 3: and it was like why.

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Speaker 1: You why and probably stuff that wasn't true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of it was definitely I looked at very skeptically,

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Speaker 3: and it wasn't about me. It was it was about

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Speaker 3: my mom, to be candid, and so I was not.

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Speaker 3: I was not happy that that that was the course

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Speaker 3: of action that they chose, and so it caused a

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Speaker 3: fracture in our relationship.

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Speaker 5: Of my first book was the same thing and family. Oh,

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Speaker 5: I can't write a book, but I can go to Facebook.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, you know. And especially it's not like this

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Speaker 3: person couldn't have called me like they could have and

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Speaker 3: we could have had a conversation about it. And I

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Speaker 3: guess the surprising part they didn't take issue with what

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Speaker 3: was written as in terms of like it not being true.

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Speaker 3: The issue was when we finally did have that discussion,

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Speaker 3: was that they weren't in it.

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Speaker 4: Enough so that really so they wanted to decide out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, they just felt like they should have been

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Speaker 3: you know, that their role in my life should have

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Speaker 3: been more highlighted or more and I thought I did

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Speaker 3: so yeah, with they roll in your life as big

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Speaker 3: as they actually thought it was, well, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guess if you want me to say what it is,

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Speaker 3: because I see you're getting to But it was my

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Speaker 3: father who had an issue. Oh yeah, that was my

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Speaker 3: father had an issue with some of the things that

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Speaker 3: were in the book, not necessarily because they were untrue,

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Speaker 3: but he felt like he should have been more prominently

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Speaker 3: And so I didn't you know that didn't It wasn't.

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Speaker 3: It was a very difficult conversation to have, and so

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Speaker 3: those conversations have been somewhat ongoing, and I told him

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Speaker 3: I needed to kind of press pause because I need

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Speaker 3: to process what you said to me, because I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I took a lot of issue with it.

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Speaker 1: So no rerights for the paperback, no rewrights.

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Speaker 3: For the paperback. So no, I was like, I took

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Speaker 3: issue with it, but it's all good because everybody's not

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Speaker 3: gonna love you, know what you're right? Like and It

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Speaker 3: is funny we're having this conversation because obviously in the

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Speaker 3: memoirs coming out. And Jada and I when I did

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Speaker 3: I did Red Table Talk this time last year, and

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Speaker 3: I was telling her and share my experience. She was

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Speaker 3: don't know what the reaction is going to be. It

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Speaker 3: of the things that she has decided to share. It's

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Speaker 3: like she's, you know, this is her story. She's allowed

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Speaker 3: to tell what that is.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 5: But I was saying this this morning on the radio,

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Speaker 5: what is the point of constantly sharing this with us?

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Speaker 5: Because it always looks like you're beating up on Will?

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Speaker 3: Why does Why does everybody think Will is the victim?

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 1: Because Will isn't saying anything well just.

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Speaker 3: Because he's saying like I think, because it was funny

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Speaker 3: reading the reaction, because I don't know what's happening to

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Speaker 3: beside their marriage, right, none of us do. None of

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Speaker 3: us know, Okay, but at least from because when I

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Speaker 3: clear that they still have Just because they're separated doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean there's not affection there. That doesn't mean that there's

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Speaker 3: not respect there, there's not love there. Like I think

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Speaker 3: they mutually chose. And so I guess the narrative that

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Speaker 3: I reject, even though again I don't know the inside

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Speaker 3: of their marriage, is this idea that Will is a

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Speaker 3: right And maybe to your point, Char's like, maybe we

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Speaker 3: shouldn't know this publicly, but if he's but think about

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Speaker 3: the reason we do know it publicly. It's like the

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Speaker 3: whole entangled entanglement thing he had because somebody else was talking,

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Speaker 3: August told okay, and I have this chronology right, They

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Speaker 3: responded to something else that was told. So it's not

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Speaker 3: like she came out of nowhere. It was like, hey,

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Speaker 3: by the way, guys, there was something that happened between

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Speaker 3: me and August, else saying that that man said what

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Speaker 1: I love August, August. Yeah, August.

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Speaker 5: What August did with Angelie with nowhere near as big

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Speaker 3: Table talk, No it's not. She was responding, but she

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Speaker 4: But listen, but this is the thing too, like and

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Speaker 4: this is what we said yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes we look at celebrities relationships and everybody

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Speaker 2: thinks everybody's relationship is perfect, right, so I think it's

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Speaker 2: great sometimes when you say, hey, my relationship ain't perfect, Like,

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Speaker 2: just because you see this doesn't mean we don't have

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Speaker 2: the same problems that you do, the same disagreements, the

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Speaker 2: same argument. So when you see a little bit of that,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's somebody in a life just like them

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Speaker 2: to be like, Damn, me and my husband is separated,

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Speaker 2: it was odd. We never wanted to share, we never

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Speaker 2: whatever normal is, it gives me the ability to talk.

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Speaker 3: Because you and your wife have been very candid about

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Speaker 3: some of the ups and downs you faced in your relationship,

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Speaker 3: because people, you know, people need to know sometimes that

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Speaker 3: of her brand now. Is that is divulging these uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: guess I'm just really surprised that people sort of characterize

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Speaker 3: this that that Will is somehow in this marriage against

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Speaker 3: his will, and Jada's the villain and she's the one

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Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I don't disagree with that, just that when

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Speaker 5: you hear like I never wanted to marry Will. I

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Speaker 5: cried at the wedding. Now it's we've been separating. Sound crazy, Jada?

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Speaker 5: Why are you why you got the man.

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Speaker 4: Want to be like why is this at that time?

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Speaker 5: And I love a Pinkett smith winf you nose Carter.

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Speaker 5: I'm just sitting back, like, why is this happening? Like

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Speaker 5: that's all I want to know.

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I will say crazy with every I

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Speaker 3: know that people look at it. It's like her honesty

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Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, she's being so honest to the point

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Speaker 3: been held in such high esteem. They have been relationship

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Speaker 3: not know these people, all right? And I just I

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Speaker 3: don't think Will is like some kind of victimic.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Will knew it was coming out before. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they had these conversations because they had to work

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean, I don't know. That's

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Speaker 4: I can't even say, will bleak if you need to come.

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Speaker 3: Out like it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think of that.

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Speaker 5: Just like I said, I just don't think the general

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Speaker 1: I think that's what I do miss about celebrity.

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Speaker 3: I want people to be go back to being mysterious. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know, That's why I love like she. We don't

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: But she just pop up about fifteen years, might have

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Speaker 3: an album, might not? She do the same two stage

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Speaker 3: And I love this woman like I don't even know

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we don't even care. No, she

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Speaker 1: never gave nobody in.

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Speaker 3: Her business none at all. She live in her best

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Speaker 3: life somewhere. Shout out to shade.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you think? What do you think? A

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Speaker 1: second Jamel Hill book would be about well, there.

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Speaker 3: Will be another Jamail Hill book, and it is much

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Speaker 3: like this memoir of something I didn't expect to write.

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Speaker 3: But the second book will be a children's book. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I'm writing a children's book, and it will cover

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Speaker 3: some parts of Uphill, like just kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: how I was able to overcome some adversity, and you know,

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Speaker 3: some of the the more positive career stuff like, some

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Speaker 3: of that will be part of it. But generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: it will be sort of like my love letter to

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Speaker 3: a lot of the women whose stories haven't been told,

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Speaker 3: it'll I'm really looking forward to. I've never written for

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Speaker 3: just I would like to see artists like him, artists

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Speaker 5: And it's just like, I don't want to see you

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Speaker 3: he would be out there. But they changed, They always

438
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Speaker 3: changed the art argument. Sort of mid conversation, it goes from, yes,

439
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 3: it's a football decision, Well, no team wants to deal

440
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,239
Speaker 3: with that. Well, either it's a football decision or it's

441
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,439
Speaker 3: not right. Is it gonna make your team better or not?

442
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 3: That's really all it boils down to. So I was

443
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 3: happy he wrote the letters so people could really see,

444
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,280
Speaker 3: you know, kind of where his true intentions are.

445
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 5: I feel like you you you never really said anything

446
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 5: disparaging about it, Yes.

447
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 3: Really, I mean not really. I mean I'm not saying.

448
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 1: Them a plantation.

449
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 5: No, You've never accused of anybody over there being racist

450
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,959
Speaker 5: a little bit.

451
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 3: But I know what you're saying.

452
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 1: That said you, I know Jamel Hill ain't going back

453
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 1: to ESPN.

454
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 3: But the thing is there's other places I could go,

455
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 3: but you wouldn't go back to Yes.

456
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Speaker 4: Men, Well, I mean changes if ownership changes.

457
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 1: And.

458
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 3: Things change the TV all the time. So I mean technically,

459
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 3: I mean ESPN is paying me right now because I'm

460
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 3: executive producing Colin Kaepernick's documentary which is airing on esp

461
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 3: IN and directed by Spike Lee. So technically, yeah, I

462
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: mean I I there's a you know, there's a check

463
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 3: that comes via them, so to speak. You know, So,

464
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: but I know what you're saying. The thing is the

465
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 3: NFL is one to one, right, It's like, if things

466
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 3: didn't work out of ESPN, I go to FS one

467
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 3: or I can go to CNN or other places, like

468
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 3: if it doesn't work out in the NFL, and that's

469
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 3: the highest professional level, that's it. So and that's what

470
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 3: he that's where he already was. It's not like he

471
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: was aspiring and hadn't made it. No, he went to

472
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, so he's already been to that pinnacle.

473
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 3: So in that regard, because I know people are like,

474
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Speaker 3: why would he still try to be a part of

475
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Speaker 3: the same league that he sued and yeah, and called

476
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 3: racists and and and we know how the NFL works,

477
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 3: but a lot of us, especially when we choose to

478
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,919
Speaker 3: pursue a passion that we love, are in situations and

479
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 3: working for corporations that make questionable decisions and questionable hires.

480
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 3: We all are caught up in this game. I mean,

481
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but he feels like,

482
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: and I understand this wholeheartedly, He's owed this, he worked

483
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 3: for this. This is not something they gave him. And

484
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: that is why he is insistent, like, oh no, y'all

485
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 3: gonna give me the opportunity that I fully earned. And

486
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 3: we've seen other black athletes do it before, like the

487
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 3: black athletes that have been ostracized. You know, even when

488
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: Mack mood abdul Rolf was ostracized, he wanted to be

489
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: part of the NBA right. And so because they feel

490
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: like I did all this blood and sweat to get here,

491
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 3: you think I'm not gonna take this opportunity. I earned this.

492
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: My blood is on this.

493
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 5: What do you think sometimes when God puts you in

494
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 5: a different position, like when God exalts you in your position,

495
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 5: because that's what I feel like happened with Kap. Don't

496
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 5: you feel like sometimes you have to let go of

497
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 5: things to really embrace the blessing of what is.

498
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Speaker 3: I think he's been able to do both. He'll never

499
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: let it go. Somebody asked you, you'll never let it go.

500
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: I don't blame him, like I don't like I would

501
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 3: probably be on that too. I don't know if I

502
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 3: would be able to stand as strong as he has

503
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: stood with it, but like I would be on that too, like,

504
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: oh no, you just just on some pride and pet

505
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 3: I would never find my retirement papers if I were him.

506
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: But I do understand because, like I tell Charlaman, you

507
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: know a kid that plays football. I got two boys

508
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 2: that played football like they did it since age four,

509
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: five five days a week in the rain, sleet, snow,

510
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: four hours a day, then a game on Sunday. You

511
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: give so much of your life, you miss half your

512
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: summer with it.

513
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Speaker 4: So that's all you know, right, So I do understand.

514
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: I can never get that feeling because it was like

515
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: it's kind of like radio or me talking like it's

516
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Speaker 2: something that I would want to do all the time,

517
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: and like you said, that's the only place to do it,

518
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: Like you can't do XFL, you can't do practice team.

519
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: But I also feel like because it's not the same

520
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: it's not the same level of competition. It's not the

521
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: same level of competition. But I but my question is

522
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: if you knew that's what you wanted, right, and you

523
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 2: knew that when you stood stood up for against violence

524
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: against against us, right at that point when you were

525
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: about to lose it, why didn't you say.

526
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Speaker 4: You know what, the game is more important than this.

527
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: Oh but then.

528
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 4: Because he could have because he couldn't could have.

529
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 3: And he didn't.

530
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Speaker 4: Because but you can't be mad at everybody's.

531
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: Well we know you can, though, because is that really

532
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: what should cost you your job? It shouldn't, right, because

533
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: on like the NFL is wrong. It's like standing up

534
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 3: for what is a humanitarian issue, correct, right should not

535
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: be the thing that cost you your entire career. So

536
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: it is about principal and like had he but had

537
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: he chosen the game, I don't know. I don't think

538
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 3: he would could live with himself for doing that to say, like, oh,

539
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: I stopped kneeling because the NFL told me they didn't

540
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 3: like it. You can't really live with that. I mean,

541
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: I know there has been professional stands that you both

542
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: have probably taken, many of which we don't even know

543
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: about right. And when you take these stands, you decide

544
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: right there, like, hey, if this goes in a in

545
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: a in a negative direction, I'm okay with it.

546
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Speaker 4: I feel that I knew it was going back and

547
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: going back.

548
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: No, he wants to go back. But he wants to

549
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: go back because he's old that because as you said,

550
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: like you brought up your boys, he's done the same thing.

551
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: Then to go through college, then to every step that

552
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: he's been, he's never he's made He's made this point

553
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: before every step that he's been, he's never been the

554
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: number one guy. He's always had the fight to be

555
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: the number one guy. So he's used to this fight.

556
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: So no, he's like, I worked hard to be here.

557
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: I deserve this opportunity and I'm not gonna let you.

558
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you make it seem as if

559
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: I'm the one that has created this that I'm not ready.

560
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: And I think the NFL needs to be reminded that

561
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 3: this is going to be a very black mark on

562
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: their history.

563
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: Well we know that though.

564
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 5: Once again, we know that he got black ball, and

565
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 5: we understand the sacrifice that he made. That's why people

566
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 5: hold him in the high regard. I just don't want

567
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 5: his step back to become his identity.

568
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's like that. I don't think

569
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: it's like that. But I do think that he feels

570
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: a responsibility. That's why he's in you know, I've told

571
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: people this before, you know, haven't been able to spend

572
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of time with him. Is like,

573
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: physically he looks better than he did when he was

574
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 3: last playing quarterback for the forty nine ers. I mean,

575
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 3: he's been injury free, I assume paying free for years now,

576
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: taking any hits. Still is on a football schedule, you know,

577
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: waking up working out at five am every day, still

578
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: going through the same training regiment that he did when

579
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: he was playing, because he again, he doesn't want to

580
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: give them the excuse. We all heard it as kids.

581
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: You have to work twice as hard, and one of

582
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: the things a lot of our parents drilled into us

583
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: is that when the opportunity comes, it's our responsibility to

584
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 3: be ready. And he feels like he would be doing

585
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: a disservice to everything that he stood for if that

586
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: call ever came and he's like, oh, I'm out of shape.

587
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: I can't like they're not gonna catch him slippings. So

588
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: that's why I don't ever expect this man to retire

589
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: from the league.

590
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody would have an issue if he didn't say

591
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 5: they were racist a plantation, and if people around him,

592
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 5: because you know, he doesn't speak for himself, but if

593
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 5: people around him hadn't bashed other.

594
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: Folks who wanting to be in business with the NFL.

595
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 5: So like Rock Nation, Malcolm Jenkins, they call all of

596
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 5: these people sellouts for wanting to do the same league

597
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 5: that you're trying to get back into.

598
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: Because I do think it does matter you're dynamic with

599
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: the league. And I think his issue and I I

600
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: do again, I understand this. His issue was that we're

601
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: much better and have more power standing in solidarity as

602
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: opposed to I mean, we already know, like the NFL

603
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: Super Bowl halftime show was on life support, like nobody

604
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 3: was messing with this at all, and we gave and

605
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: it goes beyond Colin and we willingly gave them access

606
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: to our culture. And they definitely did not deserve it,

607
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: right they don't, we know, based off their history, the

608
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: history of this country. They don't deserve a lot of

609
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: things that black people do. We know this. This is

610
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: our existence. This is part of it is that that's

611
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: part of the struggle, and the tension point is that

612
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: we're constantly fighting to be validated and in these systems

613
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: that were never meant for us. That is the black

614
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: existence in America for the most part, right, And so

615
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: I think this struggle is no different because it's more

616
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: meaningful for him if he ever is able to get

617
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: back on the field. What that will mean, meaning that like,

618
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 3: you can't kill somebody's career for this. Yes, you may

619
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: not have liked the criticism towards this country. You may

620
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: have liked the criticism toward this league. By the way,

621
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: criticism that's not wrong. I mean the NFL was race

622
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: normy up until a few years ago, okay, where they

623
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: actively had policy that stated that black brains and black

624
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: bodies were not worth as much as white bodies. That

625
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: was literally policy. Okay, So what he said about the

626
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: league is true. So race norming, this is one of

627
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: the things that they use when it came to settling

628
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 3: some of the had trauma lawsuits. They basically what was

629
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: part of this, what was part of the NFL practice

630
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: is that they pretty much said that black players and

631
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: everybody can look it up. You can go to Google.

632
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: Just look up NFL and race Norman. This is all

633
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: there is one of the more undercover stories about them

634
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: that they pretty much said they came up with a

635
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: calculation where the head trauma that black athletes suffered in

636
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: the league because they said there were certain cognitive abilities

637
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: that were not there inherently. Race norming, like race storming,

638
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: has been used in a lot of different medical fields,

639
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: frankly to justify medical racism on us, and the NFL

640
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 3: was using the same practice. So if y'all look it up,

641
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: you will see and they stopped doing it, I believe

642
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: in either twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. It's why some

643
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: of the black players didn't receive as much money from

644
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: the concussion lawsuit as some of the white players did,

645
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: because they had race normy as part of the formula

646
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: to figure out who deserve what that is the NFL. So, again,

647
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: like I said, he was telling the truth. And unfortunately

648
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: a lot of the systems that we are a part

649
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: of have practiced in something something distasteful, dishonorable, something that

650
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: excluded us. And part of our fight is that because

651
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: we built this country and because We're gonna make America

652
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: live up to that brochure. They all told us a no,

653
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: oh god, no, I'm not gonna say that. You know,

654
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that, Nah, But I mean black

655
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: people frankly. I mean this is something that cole Hanna

656
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: Jones has talked about a lot. It's like we are

657
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: the ones holding this damn democracy together because we are

658
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: believing in the president, because we actually believe in it,

659
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: and we're gonna make you do it. And so I

660
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: think with Colin is a similar fight. Oh no, no,

661
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: you said this, I'm gonna make you believe it. I'm

662
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: gonna make you actually do what you said you were

663
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: gonna do.

664
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Speaker 2: I would I would love to see And I understand

665
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Colin happening. I understand, like I said, I understand it's

666
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: in his blood right, that's what he knows. But I

667
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: also would love to see him. When you talk about legacy,

668
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: I would love to see him do something like go

669
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: to HBC or your coach because.

670
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: The amount bring there, the amount.

671
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Of kids that he can actually teach, I think it

672
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: would be more impactful.

673
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: Man if he made the league. If he made the league,

674
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: okay cool, But if he.

675
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: Takes a school like a hour to Hampton, a Morgan stage, Alam, whatever,

676
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: and he coached that and got them to that level.

677
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: I think it would show everybody like that would be

678
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: even a bigger f you.

679
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting, And next time I see him, I'm

680
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: be like, hey, you ever thought about coaching?

681
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: Does he talk in his documentary?

682
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

683
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, swears he don't talk.

684
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: You don't really talk for himself. Yeah, and I don't

685
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: like that either.

686
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I seen, I've already seen some your comments and

687
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: I've got you know, I got the video back and

688
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: everything I have to give the notes. No, I think

689
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: what people will hear from in this doc I mean

690
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: he he is unloading, and I don't mean it like

691
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: in an angry way, but he is. This was as

692
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: you know, like he hasn't spoken very much, and so

693
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: when people accuse him of like, oh, he just wanted

694
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: the attention in this, like really, I mean, if he

695
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: wanted this attention, this is a bad way of showing

696
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: it because he rarely does interviews and he's just kind

697
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: of tried to let his work speak for himself. But yes,

698
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: in this documentary, you get a lot of Colin telling

699
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: his own story, and so I think a lot of

700
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: the people who were detractors, they will be embarrassed after

701
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: they watch some of them.

702
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: The sad thing about Colin is is I feel like

703
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: sometimes when he speaks, people be like he's mad, but

704
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: he's just giving his side whatever he.

705
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: Says anything, they'd be like, he's mad, he's upset, he's this. Yeah,

706
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: I just feel like.

707
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: And he's not mad in this.

708
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: Exactly the fair? Is it a fair doctor? Yeah?

709
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: I mean I think so. I mean I think everybody

710
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: has been able to create their own narrative about Colin.

711
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: Is only fair that he finally gets a chance to

712
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: share what is his perspective, share his opinions, like everybody

713
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: else is at the mic. It's time that he will.

714
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: And you know, I think we definitely did a fair job.

715
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: You know, as you know how much fairness and journalism

716
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: means to me. I was certainly that was a big

717
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: part of my responsibility is making sure that this was fair.

718
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: This is not just something where we're trying to make

719
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: Colin look good or anything like that. Like Colin's story

720
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: is his story, and we're telling that truthfully and accurately

721
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: and from his perspective.

722
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: What did that drop.

723
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: It will be in twenty twenty four. Okay, that's that's

724
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: That's as succinct as a timeline as I can give you.

725
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: But I'm really impressed with where things are. I love,

726
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, just the energy and just the passion. You know, Spike,

727
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: He's been incredible to work with, just smart, knowledgeable, all

728
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: those things like legendary filmmaker you all know. But I've

729
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 3: learned a lot doing this.

730
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: Spike was there when that mine behind, very very behind,

731
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: behind the see movement. But I do miss your sports takes, Jail.

732
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 5: I talk about this all the time.

733
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: You know. Let me tell you this, Charlotte made I

734
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: think you deserve You should give me credit because it

735
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: took a lot for me to resist texting you the

736
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: day my forty nine ers just put just beat the

737
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: breaks off, y'all, because because I knew this was I

738
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: would see him in person, and I never said told.

739
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: Me if I had your number, I would have called you.

740
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: I would have put you in just for five minutes,

741
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: like do you have something to say?

742
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Wash them like a black quarter. Happy to see that, Jamil.

743
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: It ain't talk about like what he I was just like, yeah,

744
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: we are problem, but we are a problem for most

745
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: of them. We knew that, we knew that, but we

746
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: are a problem for Dallas specifically, you know. And so

747
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: when I when that, when I saw the final score,

748
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: because I missed most of the game because I had

749
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: to some other things to do, but I knew we

750
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: were gonna win. I just didn't think it was gonna

751
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: be like that was. I said, you know what I'm

752
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna give Charlamade some some privacy, you know,

753
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: some talughts and prayers, and then when I see him

754
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: in person, I be like, your boys, No, that was.

755
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: The moral the first week. I'm like, yo, were going

756
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: to the super Bowl? You know I say that every year. Yeah,

757
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 5: you know, you went the low of the cars. That's

758
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: nothing right going to super Bowl. But now against New

759
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 5: England going to Super Bowl?

760
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: What was weak?

761
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: I'm like, Daddy texted them and said, charlam mane were

762
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: really going to the super Bowl?

763
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: Buy your tickets.

764
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the belief is so hard.

765
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: It's just that's been a different conversation.

766
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

767
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: The thing that was interesting is that everybody's like, Okay,

768
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: this is the game that showed how far away the

769
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 3: Cowboys are from the farting forty nine ers, But like,

770
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: it's not just about the forty nine ers. Is where

771
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 3: does the Dallas rake in the pantheon of teams that

772
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: are supposed to be close to a super Bowl and

773
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: they're a lot further behind? Jesus are Like, can you

774
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: say definitively the Cowboys are as good as the Lions?

775
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think you can. So

776
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: it's not just about where they are with San Francisco,

777
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: it's like where do they fit as being a team? Period? Yes,

778
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: Like they're not better than any of those Lions, not

779
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: better than any of those Yeah, it's no just disrespect,

780
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: I mean and just much like most situations like that

781
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: gets a lot of the blame and probably when it

782
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 3: goes by maybe too much credit. But at some point

783
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: you know they're going to have to make a decision

784
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: about him. It's like is this the guy? Because it

785
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: does some of it does feel like Tony Romo all

786
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: over again, where they wasted Tony Romo's talent, wasted it

787
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: on just historically bad defenses, like was though, Yeah, I

788
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: think Romo is a is a better quarterback, but I

789
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: think you can win with that, Like I think you

790
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: can win a super Bowl with that, Like you can

791
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: go to a super Bowl with that. I mean, no disrespect,

792
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: No disrespect's coming. But like forty nine ers, they went

793
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: to Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo and we're really a

794
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: bad quarter away from winning it. So like I think

795
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: Dak is better than Jimmy Garoppolo.

796
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: The problem is with Romo, right they You know, when

797
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: when Romo got injured and Dak came in, they were

798
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: all loving Dak, and now Rome was better than Dak, better.

799
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 4: Than they loved that. He came with Dak's jackstrap on.

800
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: Old and hurt, and we knew it was over for Romo.

801
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: Like that, that's not nowhere near is good. A quarterback

802
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: is wrong.

803
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: So what do you think you think they should get

804
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 5: rid of that? I think they should get rid of

805
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: the coaching staff first. I think they need to bring

806
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 5: in a new coaching staff before they tried. Before they

807
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: think about getting rid of.

808
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: That new coaching staff.

809
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy's offense is so predictable. It's just like he's

810
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 5: prehistorically right.

811
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: But I want it and it will never happen.

812
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 5: I want Eric Bellamy to be the coach that Eric

813
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 5: hit me, I'm sorry to be coaching now up. The

814
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 5: fact that he went from the Chiefs to the Redskins

815
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 5: another offensive coordinator is mind boggling to me.

816
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: But I sort of get it because he wanted he

817
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: needed to be from up under the Andy Reid shadow.

818
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: Because even though Andy Reid would say like, no, Eric

819
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: b enemy does call the plays and this is his offense,

820
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: people still gave Eddie Reid all the credit. You come

821
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: to the commanders. Uh, it's less of that, you know, frankly,

822
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: and so people are able to see in real time like, oh, okay,

823
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 3: this is this is what his offense looks like without

824
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: him having Patrick Mahomes and yeah, so I think he

825
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: just he did it because he had to get from

826
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: up under a shadow. The other problem, too, is that

827
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: you fire Mike McCarthy and then the same person, same

828
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: brain trust, is in charge of finding your new coach mercy.

829
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: I mean, a coaching a coach opening can be good

830
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: and bad. In Dallas's case, I think it's bad.

831
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: You think Jerry should pass away? Is what you said.

832
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because it's going through the family. Yes,

833
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: because you got Steven, you got his daughter, Like it's

834
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: still gonna be a Jones run.

835
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: Team and were basically saying we won't be good.

836
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's if it's all

837
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 3: strictly on ownership, because the one thing I will say

838
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: about Jerry Jones is like he will he will spin

839
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: them money to win. So it's not that it's just

840
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: he won't let his own ego linquage control, relinquish control. Yeah,

841
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: and he certainly won't hire another coach that could possibly

842
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 3: be credited more than him. So like everybody's like, oh,

843
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: Sean Payton, he'll never get a Shampagne Like, I don't

844
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: see it. Like he'll never get the type of coach

845
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: much like he had with Jimmy Johnson who will ultimately

846
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: get the credit for getting the team to the super Bowl.

847
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: He wants all the credit. So he needs a coach

848
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: that is a little a little bit lesser than like

849
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: in terms of personality profile. He he can't take anybody

850
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: that can compete with his profile. That's why Deon Sanders

851
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: would never do it. Like some of the Cowboy fans like,

852
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: we should hire me out. I was like, that would

853
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: never happen. You think Jarry Jones, don't less somebody come

854
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: in there. And take all the credit and all the shine. No,

855
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: it's not happening.

856
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: Hey, this is the pressing. Let's go back to one

857
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: one of the topics.

858
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 5: Okay, THEO Vaughn and Sexy read all right talking talk

859
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 5: about a couple of times. What about that interview. It's

860
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: so upsetting. And the reason I say that is because

861
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: I'm like Sexy Red salute to her. Yeah, political take.

862
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people.

863
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 5: I do know a lot of people in the hood

864
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 5: who think that way, and I actually understand why they

865
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: think that way.

866
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: But I think that when you don't say why they

867
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: think that way.

868
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: I get it because it's simple things, right or the

869
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 5: first step fact, let people out of jail.

870
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: They give Trump credit, no follow up on what happened

871
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 3: with that.

872
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: The stimulus checks.

873
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: People got fourteen hundred dollars checks in the mail with

874
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's name on it.

875
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: I get it.

876
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 5: When you have a government that you feel like has

877
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 5: never done anything for you and you see.

878
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Them do a little something, it looks like a lot

879
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. So it's like

880
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: and then when.

881
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: I see all of these people who I know are

882
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: politically astute beating up on her, I'm like just educate her, like,

883
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 5: just educate the people that think that way, Like there's

884
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 5: no need to beat up on her.

885
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: It's sexy red.

886
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that anybody was rushing

887
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: to hear, you know, what her political texts were. But

888
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: the problem is that it does it does unintentional, untold

889
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: damage still and you know, like you said, that's not

890
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: her fault, like she's a she's it is and it

891
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: isn't because like you have a platform now, and I

892
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: know that she's going to learn this in real time

893
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: and it's learning this. Unfortunately, some very tough lessons in

894
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks about the things that she's

895
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: gone viral for is that there's going to be an

896
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: inherent responsibility people listen to you. So when they hear

897
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: you saying things like that and you're saying them whimsically

898
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: and not very seriously, it can do a lot of damage.

899
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: Like everybody doesn't have to be a Colin Kaepernick or

900
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: have to be a Malcolm X or Martin Luther King.

901
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: It's a reason why there was only one of these,

902
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: like one of these a generation, like the reason why

903
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: they don't come along a lot. But you can't undermine

904
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: it right. It's like, you know, so what I had

905
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: a problem with is like the misinformation. It wasn't that

906
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: she gave her political take. She's allowed to give her

907
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: political tape. She could have said I supported Trump and

908
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: listed off the reasons that actually made a little bit

909
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: more sense. Yeah, she could have said that, because it's

910
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: her right to have that opinion. But it's the misinformation

911
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: that that is what I see is to be more

912
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: when you have that kind of platform, because like it

913
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: or not, people aren't going to listen to her. And

914
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 3: even though you know she's talked about they love Trump

915
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: in the hood. I was like, well, the poles don't

916
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: really show that, but that's okay, go ahead, go off.

917
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: And so I took the opportunity. To your point, I

918
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: saw it as a teachable moment because, as you said,

919
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: there are some people who do say the same things.

920
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: So let's deal with what's being said. Even though Donald

921
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: Trump's name were on that stimulus check, he did not

922
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: the money did not come from it me. It didn't

923
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: come right out of his bank account. It was passed

924
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: by Congress people. And that's part of the general collective

925
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: ignorance that we have a lot of us don't know

926
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: how government works. There's no shame in that because it

927
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: is a complicated system. But we have to understand how

928
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: legislation has passed, how policies are made, knowing the right

929
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: person to be mad at, because a lot of the

930
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: things that people are mad at, you know, inflation, other things.

931
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: I was like, the president doesn't have a whole lot

932
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: to do with that, and we're in a huge age

933
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: of corporate greed like we've never seen before. And I

934
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: wish that we had a better hand on who to

935
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: blame because then that would help us better strategize.

936
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: But you know what, I tell the tell the hood.

937
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 5: I'll just be like, Biden gave our Stemmys two.

938
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: But that was brilliant though. I was like, I mean,

939
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: no president in the history has ever done that.

940
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: He's like, no, no, no, no.

941
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: The tecks get held up because he was like, no, no,

942
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need that. Donald J.

943
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: Trump on it because he knew, he knew the lasting

944
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 5: impact that would have. But technically, you're right, Biden Trump

945
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 5: signed signed it in twice, Yeah, signed it in once.

946
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: Biden gave out Stemmys two.

947
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 5: It is that's the hook, Yeah, right, That's how you

948
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 5: get the sexy reds and all.

949
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: It isn't. And unfortunately the other part of it is

950
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: that the amount of media machinery behind the right wing

951
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: there's no democratic equivalent, Like there's no democratic equivalent to

952
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Fox News. So when people are like, oh, democrats have

953
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: a messaging problem, like, they don't actually have a messaging problem.

954
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: They're just up against a force that they cannot duplicate,

955
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 3: Like they can't duplicate having an own a NEWSMAC channels

956
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: who twenty for seven. This is all they do is

957
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: tell them the same ten lies over and over again.

958
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: And they just don't have that because as liberal as

959
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: you may think MSNBC is or CNN, they're still gonna

960
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: mostly call it down the middle. Down the middle is

961
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: not the same as democratic messaging. That's constantly being like

962
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: we're doing this, we're doing this, we're doing this. So

963
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: they're up against something that frankly, I'm not sure that

964
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: they can overcome it. And it doesn't help when you

965
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: have really popular people with a platform who continue to

966
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 3: pay it the same misinformation as some of these other channels.

967
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: So I hope somebody in her camp or somebody period

968
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: pulled her aside and said, hey, here are the issues.

969
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: If you're gonna speak about these, and if you're gonna

970
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: take a pro Trump position, at least if you're gonna

971
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: take one, take one that is a little more informative

972
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: than the one that, oh, your facts, know your.

973
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Facts, and people just like to be entertained. Nowadays. Two,

974
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: they do tru be very entertaining. That's why you see

975
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: these do it.

976
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: By the way, I would bet that most of these

977
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 5: people who have Donald Trump chains and stuff they not

978
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: ready to vote.

979
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: But that's the other thing, why are you even care? Serious? Like,

980
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: why do you even care?

981
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't know the people at the rallies, man, I

982
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: think those.

983
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: People that they read, I think you're talking.

984
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: About, Like, yeah, but I know that. I'm like, I

985
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: bet you didn't not resister the vote. Yeah, I bet

986
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: you said you're not restable.

987
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that would have been like a great follow

988
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: up to be like, oh, so are you registered to vote?

989
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: Are do you playing the vote for him in the

990
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: next election. That would have been something to bring up

991
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: with her, But I guarantee that might be the last

992
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: political question she for quite some time. So in Spotify

993
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 3: with Spotify, I did, I did, and you know, listen,

994
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 3: I was there. I got there in twenty nineteen, and

995
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: you know, Spotify was undergoing quite a change in the

996
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: sense that like they really wanted to be the most

997
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: prominent brand in the podcast game, and so a lot

998
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: of the things, a lot of the ups and downs

999
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: and figuring stuff out. Sometimes when you become a part

1000
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: of something that's I wouldn't call them necessarily new, but

1001
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 3: a part of something that's like in a deep evolution period,

1002
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: you can, you know, you can wind up, you can

1003
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: wind up experiencing some of their growing prains, which are

1004
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: not necessarily out of malice, but nevertheless they impact your business.

1005
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: And so I think Spotify was overall a great partner.

1006
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: We had a good relationship, but for the things that

1007
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: I wanted to do, they just weren't a fit. And

1008
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: you know it was it was not an easy parting

1009
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: because again we were able to produce a lot of

1010
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: good things together. The podcast is self Jamail Hills Unbothered.

1011
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: You know on multiple NAACP Image Awards, one Webby Awards,

1012
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: like it was a very highly regarded podcast, but that

1013
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: in the podcast network that I created for black women,

1014
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: I just think ultimately weren't a fit for them. And

1015
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: so One thing the experience that ESPN taught me is

1016
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: that when I see certain things and see certain I

1017
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 3: guess for lack of better way to put in red flags,

1018
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: then I know, like, I probably am better off Before

1019
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: this gets to a point where it is contentious, where

1020
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: you don't like each other as much, it's probably best

1021
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: that I move on. Yeah, so, because I just I

1022
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: guess I'm really extraordinarily sensitive to those things following the

1023
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: ESPN experience, and so when I saw some of the

1024
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: same decisions being made in the same dynamics, I was like, yeah,

1025
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: this is probably a good time.

1026
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: You know.

1027
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: It's like Pittsburgh, the Steelers, they used to be known

1028
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: for this is in fact, they were good at cutting

1029
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: players too early rather than too late.

1030
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: Wow.

1031
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: Right, And so I felt like we should probably cut

1032
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: the relationship now as opposed to later on with this

1033
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: would be bad for both of us.

1034
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: One more question, do you still think they get Hilly's

1035
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: racist a reason for it?

1036
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know why you said.

1037
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: That you thought she was racist for not wanting Vice

1038
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: President Harry.

1039
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: No, so it's not that because again, like in politics,

1040
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: you're not gonna agree with who needs to be the leader.

1041
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: It's not the general disagreement that I think people took

1042
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: it that way. But I know what she's doing, and

1043
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: I know in general what the Conservatives do when it

1044
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: comes to Kamala Harris is you know, I know vice

1045
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: presidents have other vice presidents have been scrutinized. You know,

1046
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: certainly Dick Cheney was Biden. I don't think so much.

1047
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, like nobody really did Mike Pence. Okay,

1048
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: you know, so all of a sudden, this's infatuation with

1049
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: what the vice president does. It's just funny that certain

1050
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 3: types of criticisms that have been made about Kamala Harris

1051
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: are criticisms that are very unique to her being a

1052
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: black woman in that position. And so I feel like

1053
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: one of the bullhorns, one of the dog whistles they

1054
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: use is by throwing out, oh, you know, she could

1055
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: be president. Is because what they're really trying to say

1056
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: is like, you know, this black woman could be president

1057
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: if you reelect Joe Biden. And that's why all of

1058
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: it not all of a sudden, but that's why his age,

1059
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 3: even though Trump is like what Trump is like about

1060
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: the same four years ago. They vote old. Okay, they're

1061
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: both old. But the focus and the attention and the

1062
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: level of scrutiny on Joe Biden's age and health are

1063
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: in part due because of who is the vice president.

1064
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: Because the message they're really trying to see is like, oh,

1065
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: by showing him, you know, because as he's told people before,

1066
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: like he struggles with suttering, right, So he's not the

1067
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: most I don't think effective public speaker because of that struggle.

1068
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: He's probably very conscious of it, but they are constantly

1069
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: running these clips of him sort of looking out of it,

1070
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: because what they're really trying to communicate is like, oh,

1071
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: but you know he's behind him. Do y'all really want

1072
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: a black woman to be president? And I feel like

1073
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: Nikki Haley uses that. So one of the reasons, like

1074
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: when Don Lemon said that about when he criticized her,

1075
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: and all he was saying was she needs to be

1076
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: careful lobbing the whole ageism thing, because there are people

1077
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: out there who feel like women are aged out or

1078
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: they're past their prime at a certain point. Like if

1079
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 3: you say that about a woman, people are gonna have problems.

1080
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: So why are you saying this about your political opponents?

1081
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: Because if somebody comes at you that way, You're gonna

1082
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: be mad, That's all he was saying. Right, And she

1083
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 3: constantly is talking about Biden's age, and She's talked about

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00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: Trump's age before, I believe, And so my whole thing

1085
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: with her is like, by constantly drumming up a level

1086
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: of criticism for Kamala Harris, we know what you're doing.

1087
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: We know the dog whistle that you're trying to blow.

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00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: And given her history, I mean, what her father taught

1089
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: at HBCU, you know, the fact is she's a person

1090
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: of color in this country. And to see some of

1091
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: her opinions about affirmative action and about just in general

1092
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: the conditions of people of color and black people specifically

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00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: in this country. I mean, it took a horrible shooting

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00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: at Charleston for her to understand why the Confederate flag

1095
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: is not appropriate. So there's a lot of things on

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00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: her record to check her about. So I'm not calling

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00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 3: her a flat out racist, but what I will say

1098
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: is that she's very comfortable using racist dog whistles to

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Speaker 3: further and advance her political position.

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Speaker 5: I feel like the biggest opposition Vice President Harris is

1101
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: going to face is going to come from in her

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Speaker 5: own party.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 5: I think that there's people in her party right now

1105
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: who don't want her to be vice president.

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Speaker 3: I did in time, and it's the hit pieces that

1107
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: are done on her. It's just I don't I mean,

1108
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: I get it, but I don't get it.

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00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: I had to go Google and see, well what did

1110
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: she do? Like I was like, I'm not of nowhere long.

1111
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 3: As I mean, and even some of us who are

1112
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: just like, well, what is she doing? Where's she being?

1113
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: Like she literally speaks every day guys like I don't

1114
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: know what to tell y'all, Like you're like, where is she?

1115
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, because I'm on the mailing list. I

1116
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: get our schedule practically every day. Like she's always doing

1117
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: a lot of things, like I know right now, she's

1118
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: on the college tour to to you know, not only

1119
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: just promote what they're doing in terms of alleviating some

1120
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: of these student loans, but also to just encourage people

1121
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: again to pursue their academic pursuits, because somehow in this

1122
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: country we got to a point where now degrees are bad,

1123
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: Now going to college is bad. But no that like,

1124
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: she's been subjected to a lot of hip pieces, and

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00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: you could tell their hip pieces because of some of

1126
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: the things they say about her.

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00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: You can tell that from within, and.

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00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: They can tell that from within. It's like because I

1129
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: think in that is this. This is the article that

1130
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: mentioned how much time she spends on her hair. On

1131
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: her hair, Like are you serious? Like that's what we're doing?

1132
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: Like on her air, Like she's a black woman. I

1133
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: bet she is going to spend some time on her

1134
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: air because the moment she doesn't look presentable, guess what

1135
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: the conversation is going to be about the vice president.

1136
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: So it's like she's damned damned if she doesn't. She's

1137
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: caught in a really type position. And I feel like

1138
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 3: it is really it's really neutering what I think makes

1139
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: her such a strong politician. And like it or not,

1140
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: Joe Biden would not have gotten elected without her, He

1141
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: would not have She was the strongest, I think, person

1142
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: for him to run with. It was her.

1143
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 5: The general election polls that you see that shows Trump

1144
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 5: beating Biden or scaring people in the Democratic Party and

1145
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 5: they're looking for somebody to blame, correct, and it's her.

1146
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: And I think that there is some type of groundswell

1147
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 5: happening in that party to get her out of the

1148
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 5: picture and put somebody else there.

1149
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to do that because I

1150
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: think they know that that would be politically way worse.

1151
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: Because even with the conversations that have been had about

1152
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: Vice President Harrison our community and there being some mixed

1153
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: feelings in our community about her, even with all that

1154
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 3: being said, if they take her off the ticket, that

1155
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: will not play well with us because Black black people

1156
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly support her, right, and this is we're the people

1157
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: you need to bring to the voting party you cannot win.

1158
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly support her. And look, I know people, I know

1159
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: people are gonna watch this, and I know they'll comment,

1160
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, and say, like, overwhelmingly support Kamala Harris. Look

1161
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: at who's voting, and they're in our community. Look who vote?

1162
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: Older people vote? Right? You think older people, older black

1163
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: people don't love Kamala heirs. They love Kamala hairs. I

1164
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: think so absolutely, a thousand percent, dude, like black people.

1165
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 5: Like they will always going to show black people, always

1166
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: show democratic black people. I hear a lot of older

1167
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 5: black people's men and women, they don't really they don't

1168
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 5: vote for I don't know.

1169
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: Look, I think the majority of Black people support Kamala Hairs.

1170
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: I do again. I'm not saying that there have not

1171
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: been criticisms in our community that people have brought to

1172
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: the surface, like we sure about this or not majority support.

1173
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: Kamla Harris, all right, I mean, look, listen, do you

1174
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: feel like that there's another viable VP that.

1175
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: Will get No. I don't think that exactly. I don't

1176
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: think the Democrats have no bitch period.

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: No, it's then it's then like when you look at

1178
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: who could have run bench.

1179
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: Just Claire, he said, bench, bench, No, bench.

1180
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: Clearly she heard bitch and I heard bitch.

1181
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: That's what I said. Bitch. That's all beyond you from

1182
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Now you understand me.

1183
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: You heard.

1184
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 2: Said, let me clear bench, he said, bench. Ladies and gentlemen.

1185
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: A lot of times when people think that you've said

1186
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 3: something on air that you haven't said, I was like,

1187
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 3: look at the person next to him. If the person

1188
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 3: next to him doesn't respond, but that means they probably

1189
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: didn't say it.

1190
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: I heard it, but I was like, you didn't respond,

1191
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 4: but I looked over your shoulders.

1192
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: She was like, actually said that. You would be like,

1193
00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: hey man, bitch, very clearly bitch South Carolina.

1194
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: Bitch.

1195
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 5: You made me question, was like that you said about.

1196
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: But it sounded like you said, just now say bitch, bitch.

1197
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 5: I said, they don't have no bench, right.

1198
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: No bitch, no bitch.

1199
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: All right, I mean this, This wouldn't even make sense

1200
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 3: like the Democrats. I got no bitch like that.

1201
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: You just talked about. Kamala Harrison. He said they ain't

1202
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 2: got no other bitch. Bitch, he's got no other bitch.

1203
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm glad they'd be like God's crazy.

1204
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: That'd be crazy like charlamademla airs d.

1205
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: Somebody still might say that we live in that era.

1206
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: Somebody still solutely did not say that.

1207
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Jesus people, he didn't say it.

1208
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: Bitch, my god, Oh my good.

1209
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Pill Memoir, the paperbacks. All

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00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: right now, I appreciate you for joining us. And it's

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00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass up in

1212
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: the morning.

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: M hm.