1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: In the history of cinema, few films have been as 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: successful as The Godfather. When it was released in March 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two, Francis Ford Coppola's gangster epics at 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: a new standard, not just for movies about the mafia, 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: but for movies in general. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: It's five most supported legacy a light. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Although if you talk to the people who made it, 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: The Godfather's prospects for success were far from ashored. In fact, 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: before its release, they were pretty bleak and. 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: They said, we're finished. This is over. The lily is 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna work to tell your reals, guys, that. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: People close to the movie have talked a lot over 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: the past fifty or so years about how difficult it 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: was to make The Godfather. But and leave the gun 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: take the Canoli. My co host Mark Ceo and I 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: strip back the varnish of movie history and talked to 17 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: never before heard from sources to get at what really 18 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: made the process so arduous for starters. Mario Puzzo, the 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: author of the book on which the movie is based, 20 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: only wrote it because he was deep in gambling debt. 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: This dead broke rider comes into his office with a 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: thirty five page treatment under his arm, and pretty soon, 23 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: over cigars and conversation at Evans's office, the two men 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 3: strike a deal. 25 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: And when the studio behind the film, Paramount, tried to 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: enlist a bankable director, it couldn't find one. It's solution 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: to hire Cobola, a relative unknown who proved to be 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: every bit the visionary they'd hoped for. The Only problem 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: was that the Paramount executives and producers didn't know he's 30 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: seen eye to eye with Cobola's vision. 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: Jack Ballard was hired basically by Robert Evans to be 32 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: there on the set and to haunt me. 33 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: At every turn, from scriptwriting and casting to editing and 34 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: choosing the music. Paramount fought tooth and nail against the director. 35 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: France has just got so sick of everything. 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: He goes, I'm going to sicily just cast my movie. 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Excuse my language, but that's just the beginning. Serious trouble 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: came for The Godfather when the real life mafia tried 39 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: to stop the film from being made. 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: The Five Families did not want us to shoot that 41 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: picture in the New York. 42 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: The mob thought Hollywood had given Italian Americans a bad rap, 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: and they were certain the Godfather would only deepen that stigma, 44 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: so they waged a campaign of threats and scare tactics. 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: But the studio and the filmmakers were not to be 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: deterred by what at times amounted to more than threats. 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: My kids came in all hysterical, they'd heard gunshots. 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: They worked their connections and did everything they could to 49 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: win over the people the film was based on, well 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: at least most of them. 51 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: I look over at Sinatra's table and, oh, my god, 52 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: Mario standing at Sinatra's table. And I looked at Mario 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: and his face was ashen. 54 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Despite the almost unfathomable hardship of making The Godfather, it 55 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: minted a new generation of stars. It also made over 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars, won several Oscars, and 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: redefined America's relationship to one of its darkest, most shadowy forces, 58 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: the Mafia. 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: No I'm saying when you heard the terminology crime, don't pay, yeah, 60 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: crime pace. 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: The result was a modern masterpiece that bridged old Hollywood 62 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: and New Hollywood and managed to win over the American 63 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: public and the Mafia alike. 64 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: And the projection has called me, Hey, you guys missed 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: already I've been a projector is my whole life. No 66 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 3: one never gave me a thousand dollar tech. 67 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: Leave the Gun Take the Canoli as based on my 68 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: co host Mark's best selling book of the same title, 69 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: and on this show we call upon as years of 70 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: research to help unpack the story behind The Godfather's birth. 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: From start to finish, we sift through innumerable accounts, many 72 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: of them conflicting, and try to get to the truth 73 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: of what really happened. And more importantly, we find out 74 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: how a story that starts like this, So I pull. 75 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: Up bexin Red though all my wood and done, I 76 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: just stick my ass out to say, this is the 77 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: first day he's met us. 78 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Ends like this. 79 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: You gotta understand nobody every vision successive as well. 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: Leave the Gun Take the Canoli features new and archival 81 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Yes that was a real 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: horse's head, Robert Evans, it called Leaving Godfather's Godfather, James con. 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: Jimmy it wants coming past suest. 84 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: What you gotta push you at me to drive around 85 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the block? Al Ruddy Bob said, I got a caugh 86 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: of these Italian guys. David see the movie makes it 87 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: up be a lot of trouble Talia Shire. 88 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: Everything was a very arduous chess game. 89 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: And many others. We still aren't entirely sure what's true 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: and what's not, but we can promise that our ten 91 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: part series gives everyone who is involved a chance to 92 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: tell their side of the story. Listen and subscribe to 93 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: Leave the Gun, Take the Canoli starting February nineteenth, on 94 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get 95 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: your podcasts.