Speaker 1: H m hmmm. Ship. Hey mel Hi, Dady? Where I am? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby, I know I'm late.
Speaker 1: I'm on my way over to Jesus. Damn, you scared me.
Speaker 1: What are you doing here? Wait? Wait, we have breaking
Speaker 1: news in the search for the missing Eastwood College student.
Speaker 1: The police are telling us the young man's vehicle has
Speaker 1: been the body of year old Rob Holt has been
Speaker 1: discovered in the back gunshot and the murder of the
Speaker 1: Eastwood students. Today painted the picture of Alice arrested year
Speaker 1: old Julia. Her verdict is in. Julia Harris has been
Speaker 1: found guilty of first degree murdering. Judgment today ended out
Speaker 1: life sentence. This is a call from an inmate at
Speaker 1: a federal detention facility. For two years, I've been locked up,
Speaker 1: away from my parents, my friends for something I didn't do.
Speaker 1: I've used up all my appeals. I tried hiring new lawyers.
Speaker 1: Nobody believes me. But I know that these podcasts sometimes
Speaker 1: they queer people's names. Right, get them a new trial. Listen,
Speaker 1: you're my last chance. Here, I swear to you, I'm innocent.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Solve the Interactive Mystery podcast Where you don't
Speaker 1: just hear about crimes, you solve them. Each episode will
Speaker 1: present you with a different case inspired by a true crime.
Speaker 1: You'll interrogate suspects, piece together evidence, and investigate the crime scene.
Speaker 1: You're the detective. This is your case? Can you solve it?
Speaker 1: Solve presents the real killer. I used to listen to
Speaker 1: these true crime podcasts all the time. I never thought
Speaker 1: there'd be one about me. To everyone who's listening, I
Speaker 1: just want you to know that I don't belong here.
Speaker 1: I've never even broken the law and never gotten a
Speaker 1: parking to get I'm not a violent person. Robbed me
Speaker 1: have turned out to be a tack in the end.
Speaker 1: But when we were together, I really cared about him.
Speaker 1: I loved him. What I feel like I'm back in
Speaker 1: high school. Were you often in the back seats of
Speaker 1: guas cars? In high school? I had a steady boyfriend,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. And yeah we did have some
Speaker 1: fun in the back seat. Not in random parking lots
Speaker 1: like this though, because that guy wasn't a romantic like me,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't trying to hide me like you. Who's hiding?
Speaker 1: Oh come on, Rob, everyone knows you're the biggest player
Speaker 1: on campus. You're probably sleeping with what like at least
Speaker 1: one other girl, and you'd rather her not find out?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Other girls? I've been saving myself for you.
Speaker 1: You're my first, your first. You've stolen my innocent, oh boy, innocent? Right?
Speaker 1: All right? Look, real talk, I'm not hiding. I don't
Speaker 1: care who knows about us. I really did you m
Speaker 1: don't run lines on me, Rob, I'm serious. I've never
Speaker 1: meant anyone like you before, really, really, And I want
Speaker 1: to ask you something. Okay, do you really have to
Speaker 1: put your clothes back on? You're an asshole? Mm hm.
Speaker 1: And so the great womanizer Rob Holt finally settled down
Speaker 1: and we were happy for a year before things blew up.
Speaker 1: But do you really think I'm capable of murder? Where
Speaker 1: did I even get the gun? They never found it.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was raped from the start. The cops
Speaker 1: wanted to believe they solved the case, especially Detective hams Up,
Speaker 1: and once they decided I was a suspect, they only
Speaker 1: look for things that come from their theory. It was
Speaker 1: total tunnel vision. Look, I've never had any doubt about
Speaker 1: her guilt. Okay. It was as open and shut a
Speaker 1: case as you could get. Julia Harris wanted to kill
Speaker 1: the man who broke her heart, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: she did. Hey boo, Hey, how's it going? Well? I
Speaker 1: just booked our plane tickets to room and now I'm
Speaker 1: planning our itinerary and Corney just send me this list
Speaker 1: of restaurants here and Jamie went to when they were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah about that. I was actually thinking that maybe we
Speaker 1: should like not go right now. What why rob tickets
Speaker 1: are nonrefundable? Heye, we've been talking about this for weeks.
Speaker 1: Well you were talking about it. Okay, what is your problem?
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. I'm just saying we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be going on trips when things aren't so good between
Speaker 1: us aren't so good? What are you even talking about?
Speaker 1: Come on, Jules, don't you think things have been a
Speaker 1: little flat lately? Lot? Yeah, like we're not having as
Speaker 1: much fun as we used to. I guess what I'm
Speaker 1: getting at is I don't really think I should be
Speaker 1: in a relationship right now. There are some things I
Speaker 1: need to sort out and I just really need some
Speaker 1: time to focus on myself or he seriously breaking up
Speaker 1: with me right now over the fucking phone. He completely
Speaker 1: blindsided me. We never even had a fight one day.
Speaker 1: It's just a boom, It's over. I mean even his
Speaker 1: best friend Adam will tell you it was a comeback
Speaker 1: thing to do. I've got to get to class. Can
Speaker 1: we do this another time? Actually, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: just get this over with. Yeah, it wasn't fair the
Speaker 1: way Rob treated Julia. You know, she was good to have,
Speaker 1: but it's not like he didn't feel bad about it.
Speaker 1: The thing about Rob is he was impulsive. He just
Speaker 1: do things and not think about the consequences until later.
Speaker 1: But Rob didn't die because he was selfish. He died
Speaker 1: because Julia lost her ship. People they make it out
Speaker 1: as if I like snapped or something, But the truth
Speaker 1: is it really didn't affect me the way they said
Speaker 1: it did. He was just so heartless. No, honey, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. He said, he just needs time to sort
Speaker 1: himself out. So I don't know, maybe when he does that,
Speaker 1: it really is how good we are. He told you that. Yeah, what,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say anything, Courtney. What Well,
Speaker 1: When I was walking through the Quady the other day
Speaker 1: with Steph, we saw Rob holding hands with Melody Austin.
Speaker 1: That thinks they're together. What the fun? It was a
Speaker 1: full on betrayal. He started seeing her while we were
Speaker 1: still together. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you were
Speaker 1: seeing other girls when we were fooling around. How he
Speaker 1: was probably cheating on Melody in the end too, And
Speaker 1: Julia said that, I mean, what else would you expect.
Speaker 1: She's crazy. Look, I'm already late for work. If you
Speaker 1: want to talk to me, you'll have to get in
Speaker 1: Rob was the love of my life. It was one
Speaker 1: of those instant connections. It was like you could actually
Speaker 1: feel the electricity between us. You know. I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: it just so happened. She was with Julia at the time.
Speaker 1: But what are you supposed to do when you meet
Speaker 1: your soulmate? Well? Did you do it? Yeah? I just
Speaker 1: got off the phone with her. How do you take
Speaker 1: it poorly? I don't know. Maybe I just handled it poorly.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course she's going to be pissed. But
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything wrong. It's not like we planned this.
Speaker 1: I just happened. Yeah, right, It's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: Just one of those things. Mm hmmm. Yeah, maybe I
Speaker 1: should have at least told her in person, though, you're
Speaker 1: a good guy, Rob, I'm not exactly feeling like a
Speaker 1: good guy right now. You're just following your hearts. What's
Speaker 1: wrong with that, you do? I've never met anyone like
Speaker 1: you before. I've never met anyone like you before, and
Speaker 1: if this is our first day as an official couple,
Speaker 1: we should commemorate it somehow, don't you think? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was painful, as it would be for anyone, but those
Speaker 1: prosecutors in court me, it sounds like I'm some kind
Speaker 1: of psycho, Your honor, I'd like to enter the defendant's
Speaker 1: diary into the record. Ms Harris, would you read this
Speaker 1: page here? Please? Objection? It is her diary. The state
Speaker 1: knows my client's diary is irrelevant to their case, and
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to create a performance to mislead. Did
Speaker 1: you vail her words enough? The objection is overruled. Miss
Speaker 1: If you please? How could he do this to me?
Speaker 1: Could you speak up? Please? How could he do this
Speaker 1: to me? That asshole, that fucking asshole? I've never met
Speaker 1: so heartless, great Rick in my entire life. How can
Speaker 1: you treat someone you love that way? How do you
Speaker 1: treat any human that way? How fucked up do you
Speaker 1: have to be to be that cold and indifferent to
Speaker 1: someone you call your dream girl, someone who was so
Speaker 1: good to you. The diary showed that she was completely
Speaker 1: obsessed with her ex boyfriend. Couple that with the text
Speaker 1: messages and you can you can see why the Jerry
Speaker 1: didn't deliberate for Loan. Well, you were right. Melody posted
Speaker 1: a picture of her and Rob on Instagram that Dick,
Speaker 1: I'm in shock. I'm in total shock. I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: Jules Horn Emogi heart Emogi. How can you move on
Speaker 1: so fast? Because he's an asshole? You know it hurts
Speaker 1: the most. He doesn't even care. He's not trying to
Speaker 1: hide that he's with Melody now. He wasn't even feeling
Speaker 1: a shame or out. People like Rob only think of themselves.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be glad to be free of this bullshit someday.
Speaker 1: I'm fucking killing just a figure of speech. I mean,
Speaker 1: who hasn't said they felt like killing their ex. The
Speaker 1: fact is I never even saw Rob after we broke up.
Speaker 1: I never even interacted with him at all. The prosecutors
Speaker 1: in my diary and texts are proof of premeditation when
Speaker 1: they were just me inventing processing my feelings and they
Speaker 1: used my grief to make me look like a killer.
Speaker 1: I still can't believe that's happened to me. And you
Speaker 1: know what the worst part is, the real killer is
Speaker 1: still out there, just walking around free while I'm in here.
Speaker 1: That's the number one thing people ask me. If you
Speaker 1: didn't do it, who did? I mean, not that I know,
Speaker 1: but the plenty of other suspects the police didn't even
Speaker 1: look at even I am. Okay, Yeah, Rob and I
Speaker 1: had a falling out. They are you happy childhood friends
Speaker 1: and all that, But you know, business came between us.
Speaker 1: It happens. We developed an app. It was this one
Speaker 1: of a kind puzzle game. It was going to be
Speaker 1: the next a Doku. So we need to pay our
Speaker 1: ux guys for about another two weeks of work so
Speaker 1: that we can smooth out the interface issues before we
Speaker 1: start baidat testing. Yeah about that. I actually can't put
Speaker 1: up the money for that right now? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? We've budgeted for this. Yeah, man, I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be a dick, but I've
Speaker 1: got to be allowed. What you know, those guys we
Speaker 1: were chatting with at the startup conference were doing that app.
Speaker 1: It's like a dating app, but it matches dog walkers
Speaker 1: with dogs pass wipe. Yeah. Well they made a good offer,
Speaker 1: like a really good offer. They've already got some celebrity
Speaker 1: endorsements lined up and everything. The r O Y is
Speaker 1: gonna be huge, Rob, we launched in six weeks. You're
Speaker 1: the major stakeholder. I'm topped out. I can't replace her investment.
Speaker 1: At this point, the app will be dead. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I feel really bad about this, Bro, but
Speaker 1: it's just too good an opportunity to pass up. You
Speaker 1: do the same, No, I wouldn't. And that was that
Speaker 1: the dog people poached him or app fell apart, and
Speaker 1: I've blown all my savings with nothing to show for him.
Speaker 1: Typical Rob, always looking for something better. We stopped talking
Speaker 1: after that. Why is there to say to a guy
Speaker 1: who would throw away fifteen years of friendship or something
Speaker 1: called post one? Wait? Do you think I killed Rob?
Speaker 1: Is that what she told you? Unbelievable? Hey, uh, what's
Speaker 1: going on? They're doing a podcast about Julia? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just listening to the latest episode. Look at
Speaker 1: for one thing, she is sticking to her story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's bullshit. You know what convinced me the brown
Speaker 1: hair they found in his car couldn't have been melodies.
Speaker 1: She's blonde, and Rob was crazy about brunettes. That's why
Speaker 1: I always had to keep him away from Trisha stop by.
Speaker 1: I don't want them recording that. The point is is
Speaker 1: that Julia allured him into the back of that car.
Speaker 1: Rob couldn't help himself. She shot him and then dumped
Speaker 1: his car across town. No doubt in my mind. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm late enough for classes. It is when I grab lunch. Baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get out of here. Okay, what is that about.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they think it's me. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. The brown hair are you kidding me? That
Speaker 1: couldn't come from anyone. There weren't even n on it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, sure, Rob had I still can't believe you
Speaker 1: left me for that blonde pitch melody. You know she's
Speaker 1: the one who you should be looking at. Even though
Speaker 1: I never even said a word to Rob after the breakup,
Speaker 1: she was still like crazy jealous of me for some reason.
Speaker 1: She says, I'm jealous of her. I'm not jealous of anyone.
Speaker 1: She was jealous of me. She's just a pathological liar.
Speaker 1: Like when she said she never contacted Rob after the breakup.
Speaker 1: She did, and Rob told me, mm hmmm, who's that. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's Julia. She's just asking for some of her things
Speaker 1: back at two in the morning. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's crazy, she's not over you. I could blame her.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Puts her phone away, deal with her in
Speaker 1: the morning. Good thinking. I'll just put it on silent.
Speaker 1: She was clearly obsessed with him. You heard what she
Speaker 1: wrote in her diary and those texts. Not to mention,
Speaker 1: there was a witness, that guy who saw her driving
Speaker 1: Rob's car the night that he was I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 1: it's just still so hard to talk about. It's like
Speaker 1: my future was stolen from me. You know. That's what
Speaker 1: she did. That's what she took from me, my soul mate.
Speaker 1: He's so full of shick. I never chected Rob, and
Speaker 1: that's so called eyewitness. He's a liar. First of all,
Speaker 1: I was at the library studying her an exam when
Speaker 1: the guy claimed he saw me driving. Nobody saw Juliet
Speaker 1: at the library. Camp of security. Footage gets deleted after
Speaker 1: a week, so we were never able to get our
Speaker 1: hands on it. But if we did, we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: seen her because Julia Harris wasn't at the library that night.
Speaker 1: Our eyewitness confirms having seen Julia driving Rob's car in
Speaker 1: the direction of the field where it was found at
Speaker 1: seven thirty pm that evening. The m E put the
Speaker 1: time of the murder between five and eight. You do
Speaker 1: the math. Okay, Look, it was a Saturday night. Most
Speaker 1: kids were out partying, so there weren't a lot of
Speaker 1: people around. But I'm telling you the truth. It's a
Speaker 1: phony witness who's lying. You know how you can be
Speaker 1: sure he said he saw me driving Rob's car. But
Speaker 1: Rob's car is a manual and I can't drive stick.
Speaker 1: So you have to ask yourself, is why did he lie?
Speaker 1: I mean for her? All we know he's the real killer.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, man, he found the place. Name's Dave, don't
Speaker 1: mind the mess, and made does not come till tomorrow. Oh.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. I love this true crime stuff, man,
Speaker 1: I love all. I love Bundy, Zodiac and who's that
Speaker 1: one had a thing for Brunette's killed all those kids
Speaker 1: in those cars. But Berkowitz. Berkowitz started Sam as some
Speaker 1: crazy crazy stop man. Yeah, so anyway, I'd already told
Speaker 1: the police and uh them court people everything I know,
Speaker 1: but you know, I guess I can tell you again
Speaker 1: for your radio program there. All right, So I'm watching TV,
Speaker 1: excuse me, and the news comes on and one of
Speaker 1: those crime stopper things comes up on the screen. Right.
Speaker 1: It says that you know, anyone with information about that
Speaker 1: boy's killing, call this number. And I turned to my wife, Bev,
Speaker 1: and this be my wife. By the way, I think
Speaker 1: he gets some sort of reward, you know, if you call.
Speaker 1: And then I remembered I've seen that. Yeah, and I've
Speaker 1: seen that girl is the one whose picture was on
Speaker 1: the news. She was driving the car. Yeah, it was here.
Speaker 1: It was Sarah. I'm sure at least you know, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty pretty sure. Girl did have brown hair and burgerwits.
Speaker 1: Burger wits been all over that man. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was brown. It was definitely the corn
Speaker 1: and news man, I think so. I think so. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure anyway. But oh, by the way, did you
Speaker 1: know I didn't even get a reward. I didn't get sick.
Speaker 1: I'm a victim here too, of sorts. Oh hi, this
Speaker 1: is Trish Adam's girlfriend. We did on campus the other week. Look,
Speaker 1: I'll get straight to it. I can't listen to your podcast,
Speaker 1: and I sort of feel compelled to tell you something.
Speaker 1: M Robin. I we were seeing each other, sort of,
Speaker 1: we were well, we were sleeping together, Robert, we can't
Speaker 1: keep messing around like this. I know, I know. How
Speaker 1: come I don't want to stop. I don't want to
Speaker 1: stop either, But it's wrong, so wrong. Winky face emoji,
Speaker 1: you're the devil? You know that devil emoji? When can
Speaker 1: I see you again? We're all going out to the
Speaker 1: movies tomorrow night. No, I mean when can I see
Speaker 1: you just you, preferably without any clothes? Question mark? Question
Speaker 1: mark devil emoji. I'm free Saturday night. I have a
Speaker 1: thing with mel, but we can meet up before I'll
Speaker 1: text you already met top secret location. Winky face. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you must really be the devil, because I'm
Speaker 1: going straight to hell. It was just a stupid fling
Speaker 1: that never should have happened. I think I'm proud of it.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm disgusting with myself. I just wanted to tell
Speaker 1: you because the truth is I was with Rob the
Speaker 1: night he was killed. So is this where you take
Speaker 1: all of your side chicks. No, yeah, yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: you know I don't think of you as just a
Speaker 1: side chick. You don't, no, Trish, I've never met anyone
Speaker 1: like you before. Rob, Do not go catching feelings if
Speaker 1: you insist. Does that mean we can't do this again?
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I guess we'll see. Hopefully I'll
Speaker 1: think better of it next time you text me. Hopefully not.
Speaker 1: Good night, Rob. Wait, let me drive you back to
Speaker 1: your car. Too risky, let's not chance being seen together. Okay,
Speaker 1: get home safe? H shit? Hey, mel Hey baby? Where
Speaker 1: I am? Oh? I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby,
Speaker 1: I know I'm late. I'm on my way over to you.
Speaker 1: Jesus damn, you scared me. What are you doing here? Wait? Wait,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I didn't see anything. I
Speaker 1: never told the police because I didn't want to hurt Adam,
Speaker 1: because I always just figured they caught the killer. So
Speaker 1: I start trouble. Like everyone else who's been listening, now,
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. Wow, Rob really did that his
Speaker 1: best friend. I mean, what if Adam found out? You
Speaker 1: have twice the reason to want Rob dad or Melody?
Speaker 1: I mean, I told you how jealous she gets and
Speaker 1: what about that Dave guy? He could have easily called
Speaker 1: her fake tip on his own crime. These people are
Speaker 1: all telling you that I did it when each one
Speaker 1: of them had their own motives. So how are you
Speaker 1: going to believe you've reached the end of your investigation.
Speaker 1: It's time to decide who you think Rob's killer is.
Speaker 1: Here are your suspects. Rob's ex girlfriend Julia gonna fucking
Speaker 1: kill him? Rob's best friend Adam. Why is there to
Speaker 1: say it to a guy who would throw away fifteen
Speaker 1: years of friendship? Rob's girlfriend Melody. It's like my future
Speaker 1: was stolen from me, you know? Or the eyewitness Dave?
Speaker 1: Did you know? By the way, I didn't even get
Speaker 1: a reward. I'm a victim here too, of sorts. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with the answer after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: Now it's time to find out who was really behind
Speaker 1: Rob's death. Rob's killer was his girlfriend Melody. She becomes
Speaker 1: suspicious that he was cheating on her. Who's that, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's Julia. She's just asking for some for things back
Speaker 1: at two in the morning, and when she followed Rob
Speaker 1: to his hook up spot and had her suspicions confirmed,
Speaker 1: she shot him It's like my future was stolen from me.
Speaker 1: You know that's she did. That's what she took from me,
Speaker 1: my soul mate. Julia gave a major clue when she
Speaker 1: said he said he saw me driving Rob's car. Her
Speaker 1: Rob's car isn't manual and I can't drive stick. If
Speaker 1: you listen closely, when Melody was driving, you could hear
Speaker 1: her shifting between gears and her manual transmission car. Rob
Speaker 1: was the love of my life. It was one of
Speaker 1: those instant connections. This episode was inspired by a true
Speaker 1: crime that occurred in nine when a young man found
Speaker 1: himself wrongfully accused of his girlfriend's murder. He was convicted
Speaker 1: two years later and spent years in prison for a
Speaker 1: crime he didn't commit, but when a journalist began looking
Speaker 1: into his case, he eventually uncovered exonerating evidence that would
Speaker 1: lead to the man's release. At a new trial years later,
Speaker 1: he was found not guilty. Julia was played by Nicky
Speaker 1: coss Rob by Harrison Callaghan, Melody by John Deney, park
Speaker 1: Adam by Bo Bridgeland, Dave by Eric Martzof Trish by
Speaker 1: Cossar Mohammed, Courtney by Natalia del Riego. Detective Hampsa by
Speaker 1: Dave Boat, Prosecutor by Joe san Felipo, Defense attorney by
Speaker 1: Brad Venable, Judge by Paul Kirby, Operator by Angela Pantana,
Speaker 1: Male anchor one by Andy Chanley Male anchor too by
Speaker 1: Richard Greene Female anchor one Atalia Costellanos female anchor to
Speaker 1: Andyo Winslow. Written and directed by Corey Search Produced, recorded
Speaker 1: and mixed by Salt Audio Executive Produced by Corey Searge
Speaker 1: and Walt Palmer. Sound designed by Jasper van Dyke for
Speaker 1: Salt Audio. Original music and score by Noah Gersh and
Speaker 1: Jamie Scheffman at Salt Audio. Production Coordinator Liz Lamy recorded
Speaker 1: at todd Ao Studios. Next time on Salt, a Miami
Speaker 1: hair stylist at the center of a harassment campaign is
Speaker 1: murdered in her own salon. Did a little, little, litle
Speaker 1: little lift put the gun down. Okay, we we can
Speaker 1: work this out. But with a possible mob connection. Was
Speaker 1: there more to LeAnn than meets the eye? You in
Speaker 1: the business of taking people out, let's just say, in
Speaker 1: the business of album. So tune in next week to
Speaker 1: find out