WEBVTT - The Real Killer

0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:22.680
<v Speaker 1>H m hmmm. Ship. Hey mel Hi, Dady? Where I am? Oh?

0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby, I know I'm late.

0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm on my way over to Jesus. Damn, you scared me.

0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:41.159
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing here? Wait? Wait, we have breaking

0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.760
<v Speaker 1>news in the search for the missing Eastwood College student.

0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.120
<v Speaker 1>The police are telling us the young man's vehicle has

0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.080
<v Speaker 1>been the body of year old Rob Holt has been

0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.760
<v Speaker 1>discovered in the back gunshot and the murder of the

0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Eastwood students. Today painted the picture of Alice arrested year

0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.440
<v Speaker 1>old Julia. Her verdict is in. Julia Harris has been

0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.560
<v Speaker 1>found guilty of first degree murdering. Judgment today ended out

0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:16.200
<v Speaker 1>life sentence. This is a call from an inmate at

0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a federal detention facility. For two years, I've been locked up,

0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:29.199
<v Speaker 1>away from my parents, my friends for something I didn't do.

0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I've used up all my appeals. I tried hiring new lawyers.

0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Nobody believes me. But I know that these podcasts sometimes

0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they queer people's names. Right, get them a new trial. Listen,

0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you're my last chance. Here, I swear to you, I'm innocent.

0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Solve the Interactive Mystery podcast Where you don't

0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.400
<v Speaker 1>just hear about crimes, you solve them. Each episode will

0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.120
<v Speaker 1>present you with a different case inspired by a true crime.

0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.320
<v Speaker 1>You'll interrogate suspects, piece together evidence, and investigate the crime scene.

0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.600
<v Speaker 1>You're the detective. This is your case? Can you solve it?

0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Solve presents the real killer. I used to listen to

0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.760
<v Speaker 1>these true crime podcasts all the time. I never thought

0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:38.080
<v Speaker 1>there'd be one about me. To everyone who's listening, I

0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.519
<v Speaker 1>just want you to know that I don't belong here.

0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I've never even broken the law and never gotten a

0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.959
<v Speaker 1>parking to get I'm not a violent person. Robbed me

0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.480
<v Speaker 1>have turned out to be a tack in the end.

0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.280
<v Speaker 1>But when we were together, I really cared about him.

0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I loved him. What I feel like I'm back in

0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.000
<v Speaker 1>high school. Were you often in the back seats of

0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.200
<v Speaker 1>guas cars? In high school? I had a steady boyfriend,

0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.560
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much. And yeah we did have some

0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.919
<v Speaker 1>fun in the back seat. Not in random parking lots

0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.240
<v Speaker 1>like this though, because that guy wasn't a romantic like me,

0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.160
<v Speaker 1>because he wasn't trying to hide me like you. Who's hiding?

0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh come on, Rob, everyone knows you're the biggest player

0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.640
<v Speaker 1>on campus. You're probably sleeping with what like at least

0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.240
<v Speaker 1>one other girl, and you'd rather her not find out?

0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Other girls? I've been saving myself for you.

0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:46.080
<v Speaker 1>You're my first, your first. You've stolen my innocent, oh boy, innocent? Right?

0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.280
<v Speaker 1>All right? Look, real talk, I'm not hiding. I don't

0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.600
<v Speaker 1>care who knows about us. I really did you m

0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.960
<v Speaker 1>don't run lines on me, Rob, I'm serious. I've never

0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:07.640
<v Speaker 1>meant anyone like you before, really, really, And I want

0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to ask you something. Okay, do you really have to

0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:24.040
<v Speaker 1>put your clothes back on? You're an asshole? Mm hm.

0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.560
<v Speaker 1>And so the great womanizer Rob Holt finally settled down

0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and we were happy for a year before things blew up.

0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.080
<v Speaker 1>But do you really think I'm capable of murder? Where

0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.440
<v Speaker 1>did I even get the gun? They never found it.

0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.480
<v Speaker 1>The whole thing was raped from the start. The cops

0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to believe they solved the case, especially Detective hams Up,

0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and once they decided I was a suspect, they only

0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.919
<v Speaker 1>look for things that come from their theory. It was

0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:08.120
<v Speaker 1>total tunnel vision. Look, I've never had any doubt about

0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.880
<v Speaker 1>her guilt. Okay. It was as open and shut a

0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.960
<v Speaker 1>case as you could get. Julia Harris wanted to kill

0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the man who broke her heart, and that's exactly what

0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:24.320
<v Speaker 1>she did. Hey boo, Hey, how's it going? Well? I

0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.520
<v Speaker 1>just booked our plane tickets to room and now I'm

0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.400
<v Speaker 1>planning our itinerary and Corney just send me this list

0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.640
<v Speaker 1>of restaurants here and Jamie went to when they were there.

0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah about that. I was actually thinking that maybe we

0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:43.080
<v Speaker 1>should like not go right now. What why rob tickets

0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.640
<v Speaker 1>are nonrefundable? Heye, we've been talking about this for weeks.

0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Well you were talking about it. Okay, what is your problem?

0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem. I'm just saying we shouldn't

0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.840
<v Speaker 1>be going on trips when things aren't so good between

0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:01.680
<v Speaker 1>us aren't so good? What are you even talking about?

0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Come on, Jules, don't you think things have been a

0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.880
<v Speaker 1>little flat lately? Lot? Yeah, like we're not having as

0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.960
<v Speaker 1>much fun as we used to. I guess what I'm

0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.080
<v Speaker 1>getting at is I don't really think I should be

0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.440
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship right now. There are some things I

0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.400
<v Speaker 1>need to sort out and I just really need some

0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.760
<v Speaker 1>time to focus on myself or he seriously breaking up

0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:28.000
<v Speaker 1>with me right now over the fucking phone. He completely

0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.719
<v Speaker 1>blindsided me. We never even had a fight one day.

0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just a boom, It's over. I mean even his

0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.320
<v Speaker 1>best friend Adam will tell you it was a comeback

0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:43.840
<v Speaker 1>thing to do. I've got to get to class. Can

0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.520
<v Speaker 1>we do this another time? Actually, you know what, let's

0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.200
<v Speaker 1>just get this over with. Yeah, it wasn't fair the

0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.120
<v Speaker 1>way Rob treated Julia. You know, she was good to have,

0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.159
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like he didn't feel bad about it.

0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.760
<v Speaker 1>The thing about Rob is he was impulsive. He just

0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.320
<v Speaker 1>do things and not think about the consequences until later.

0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.839
<v Speaker 1>But Rob didn't die because he was selfish. He died

0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:12.960
<v Speaker 1>because Julia lost her ship. People they make it out

0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.720
<v Speaker 1>as if I like snapped or something, But the truth

0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.080
<v Speaker 1>is it really didn't affect me the way they said

0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:29.360
<v Speaker 1>it did. He was just so heartless. No, honey, I'm

0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.320
<v Speaker 1>so sorry. He said, he just needs time to sort

0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:37.840
<v Speaker 1>himself out. So I don't know, maybe when he does that,

0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:46.640
<v Speaker 1>it really is how good we are. He told you that. Yeah, what,

0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I should say anything, Courtney. What Well,

0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.120
<v Speaker 1>When I was walking through the Quady the other day

0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.840
<v Speaker 1>with Steph, we saw Rob holding hands with Melody Austin.

0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:07.600
<v Speaker 1>That thinks they're together. What the fun? It was a

0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.200
<v Speaker 1>full on betrayal. He started seeing her while we were

0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.840
<v Speaker 1>still together. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you were

0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing other girls when we were fooling around. How he

0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.640
<v Speaker 1>was probably cheating on Melody in the end too, And

0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Julia said that, I mean, what else would you expect.

0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.400
<v Speaker 1>She's crazy. Look, I'm already late for work. If you

0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.840
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to me, you'll have to get in

0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Rob was the love of my life. It was one

0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of those instant connections. It was like you could actually

0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.040
<v Speaker 1>feel the electricity between us. You know. I'm sorry that

0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it just so happened. She was with Julia at the time.

0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.120
<v Speaker 1>But what are you supposed to do when you meet

0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:01.960
<v Speaker 1>your soulmate? Well? Did you do it? Yeah? I just

0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.040
<v Speaker 1>got off the phone with her. How do you take

0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:09.240
<v Speaker 1>it poorly? I don't know. Maybe I just handled it poorly.

0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course she's going to be pissed. But

0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.320
<v Speaker 1>you didn't do anything wrong. It's not like we planned this.

0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I just happened. Yeah, right, It's just one of those things.

0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Just one of those things. Mm hmmm. Yeah, maybe I

0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.400
<v Speaker 1>should have at least told her in person, though, you're

0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.640
<v Speaker 1>a good guy, Rob, I'm not exactly feeling like a

0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.360
<v Speaker 1>good guy right now. You're just following your hearts. What's

0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:47.280
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that, you do? I've never met anyone like

0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you before. I've never met anyone like you before, and

0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.920
<v Speaker 1>if this is our first day as an official couple,

0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:07.120
<v Speaker 1>we should commemorate it somehow, don't you think? Yeah, it

0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.319
<v Speaker 1>was painful, as it would be for anyone, but those

0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.719
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors in court me, it sounds like I'm some kind

0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of psycho, Your honor, I'd like to enter the defendant's

0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.320
<v Speaker 1>diary into the record. Ms Harris, would you read this

0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.040
<v Speaker 1>page here? Please? Objection? It is her diary. The state

0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.040
<v Speaker 1>knows my client's diary is irrelevant to their case, and

0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to create a performance to mislead. Did

0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you vail her words enough? The objection is overruled. Miss

0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.280
<v Speaker 1>If you please? How could he do this to me?

0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Could you speak up? Please? How could he do this

0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to me? That asshole, that fucking asshole? I've never met

0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:57.079
<v Speaker 1>so heartless, great Rick in my entire life. How can

0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you treat someone you love that way? How do you

0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.040
<v Speaker 1>treat any human that way? How fucked up do you

0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.680
<v Speaker 1>have to be to be that cold and indifferent to

0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.240
<v Speaker 1>someone you call your dream girl, someone who was so

0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:21.160
<v Speaker 1>good to you. The diary showed that she was completely

0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.600
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with her ex boyfriend. Couple that with the text

0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.240
<v Speaker 1>messages and you can you can see why the Jerry

0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:33.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't deliberate for Loan. Well, you were right. Melody posted

0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a picture of her and Rob on Instagram that Dick,

0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm in shock. I'm in total shock. I'm so sorry,

0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Jules Horn Emogi heart Emogi. How can you move on

0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.199
<v Speaker 1>so fast? Because he's an asshole? You know it hurts

0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the most. He doesn't even care. He's not trying to

0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.000
<v Speaker 1>hide that he's with Melody now. He wasn't even feeling

0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a shame or out. People like Rob only think of themselves.

0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.320
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be glad to be free of this bullshit someday.

0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm fucking killing just a figure of speech. I mean,

0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.200
<v Speaker 1>who hasn't said they felt like killing their ex. The

0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.040
<v Speaker 1>fact is I never even saw Rob after we broke up.

0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I never even interacted with him at all. The prosecutors

0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.480
<v Speaker 1>in my diary and texts are proof of premeditation when

0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.959
<v Speaker 1>they were just me inventing processing my feelings and they

0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.560
<v Speaker 1>used my grief to make me look like a killer.

0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I still can't believe that's happened to me. And you

0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.200
<v Speaker 1>know what the worst part is, the real killer is

0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.600
<v Speaker 1>still out there, just walking around free while I'm in here.

0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the number one thing people ask me. If you

0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't do it, who did? I mean, not that I know,

0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.400
<v Speaker 1>but the plenty of other suspects the police didn't even

0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:09.240
<v Speaker 1>look at even I am. Okay, Yeah, Rob and I

0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.880
<v Speaker 1>had a falling out. They are you happy childhood friends

0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.679
<v Speaker 1>and all that, But you know, business came between us.

0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.760
<v Speaker 1>It happens. We developed an app. It was this one

0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.600
<v Speaker 1>of a kind puzzle game. It was going to be

0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the next a Doku. So we need to pay our

0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.560
<v Speaker 1>ux guys for about another two weeks of work so

0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.520
<v Speaker 1>that we can smooth out the interface issues before we

0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:39.080
<v Speaker 1>start baidat testing. Yeah about that. I actually can't put

0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.720
<v Speaker 1>up the money for that right now? What are you

0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about? We've budgeted for this. Yeah, man, I know,

0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.839
<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to be a dick, but I've

0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.080
<v Speaker 1>got to be allowed. What you know, those guys we

0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.040
<v Speaker 1>were chatting with at the startup conference were doing that app.

0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like a dating app, but it matches dog walkers

0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.559
<v Speaker 1>with dogs pass wipe. Yeah. Well they made a good offer,

0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.079
<v Speaker 1>like a really good offer. They've already got some celebrity

0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.439
<v Speaker 1>endorsements lined up and everything. The r O Y is

0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be huge, Rob, we launched in six weeks. You're

0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the major stakeholder. I'm topped out. I can't replace her investment.

0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.760
<v Speaker 1>At this point, the app will be dead. I know,

0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, I feel really bad about this, Bro, but

0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just too good an opportunity to pass up. You

0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:25.120
<v Speaker 1>do the same, No, I wouldn't. And that was that

0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the dog people poached him or app fell apart, and

0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I've blown all my savings with nothing to show for him.

0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Typical Rob, always looking for something better. We stopped talking

0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.800
<v Speaker 1>after that. Why is there to say to a guy

0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.320
<v Speaker 1>who would throw away fifteen years of friendship or something

0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:46.120
<v Speaker 1>called post one? Wait? Do you think I killed Rob?

0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Is that what she told you? Unbelievable? Hey, uh, what's

0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.240
<v Speaker 1>going on? They're doing a podcast about Julia? Oh yeah,

0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I was just listening to the latest episode. Look at

0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.400
<v Speaker 1>for one thing, she is sticking to her story. Yeah,

0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's bullshit. You know what convinced me the brown

0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.120
<v Speaker 1>hair they found in his car couldn't have been melodies.

0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.280
<v Speaker 1>She's blonde, and Rob was crazy about brunettes. That's why

0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I always had to keep him away from Trisha stop by.

0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want them recording that. The point is is

0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that Julia allured him into the back of that car.

0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Rob couldn't help himself. She shot him and then dumped

0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:31.120
<v Speaker 1>his car across town. No doubt in my mind. Anyway,

0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm late enough for classes. It is when I grab lunch. Baby, Yeah,

0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.520
<v Speaker 1>let's get out of here. Okay, what is that about.

0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think they think it's me. Oh

0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.560
<v Speaker 1>my god. The brown hair are you kidding me? That

0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.040
<v Speaker 1>couldn't come from anyone. There weren't even n on it.

0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, sure, Rob had I still can't believe you

0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.160
<v Speaker 1>left me for that blonde pitch melody. You know she's

0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the one who you should be looking at. Even though

0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I never even said a word to Rob after the breakup,

0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.480
<v Speaker 1>she was still like crazy jealous of me for some reason.

0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.440
<v Speaker 1>She says, I'm jealous of her. I'm not jealous of anyone.

0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.360
<v Speaker 1>She was jealous of me. She's just a pathological liar.

0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Like when she said she never contacted Rob after the breakup.

0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:38.720
<v Speaker 1>She did, and Rob told me, mm hmmm, who's that. Oh,

0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it's Julia. She's just asking for some of her things

0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>back at two in the morning. Yeah, I don't know.

0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:50.320
<v Speaker 1>She's crazy, she's not over you. I could blame her.

0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. Puts her phone away, deal with her in

0:16:54.960 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the morning. Good thinking. I'll just put it on silent.

0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>She was clearly obsessed with him. You heard what she

0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 1>wrote in her diary and those texts. Not to mention,

0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.680
<v Speaker 1>there was a witness, that guy who saw her driving

0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Rob's car the night that he was I'm sorry, it's

0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:28.040
<v Speaker 1>it's just still so hard to talk about. It's like

0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:33.520
<v Speaker 1>my future was stolen from me. You know. That's what

0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:39.520
<v Speaker 1>she did. That's what she took from me, my soul mate.

0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.919
<v Speaker 1>He's so full of shick. I never chected Rob, and

0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that's so called eyewitness. He's a liar. First of all,

0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I was at the library studying her an exam when

0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the guy claimed he saw me driving. Nobody saw Juliet

0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.359
<v Speaker 1>at the library. Camp of security. Footage gets deleted after

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a week, so we were never able to get our

0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>hands on it. But if we did, we wouldn't have

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.600
<v Speaker 1>seen her because Julia Harris wasn't at the library that night.

0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Our eyewitness confirms having seen Julia driving Rob's car in

0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the direction of the field where it was found at

0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.879
<v Speaker 1>seven thirty pm that evening. The m E put the

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 1>time of the murder between five and eight. You do

0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the math. Okay, Look, it was a Saturday night. Most

0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 1>kids were out partying, so there weren't a lot of

0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.640
<v Speaker 1>people around. But I'm telling you the truth. It's a

0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>phony witness who's lying. You know how you can be

0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.399
<v Speaker 1>sure he said he saw me driving Rob's car. But

0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.439
<v Speaker 1>Rob's car is a manual and I can't drive stick.

0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.159
<v Speaker 1>So you have to ask yourself, is why did he lie?

0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean for her? All we know he's the real killer.

0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, man, he found the place. Name's Dave, don't

0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.680
<v Speaker 1>mind the mess, and made does not come till tomorrow. Oh.

0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you. I love this true crime stuff, man,

0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I love all. I love Bundy, Zodiac and who's that

0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.280
<v Speaker 1>one had a thing for Brunette's killed all those kids

0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>in those cars. But Berkowitz. Berkowitz started Sam as some

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:25.440
<v Speaker 1>crazy crazy stop man. Yeah, so anyway, I'd already told

0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.479
<v Speaker 1>the police and uh them court people everything I know,

0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I guess I can tell you again

0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.399
<v Speaker 1>for your radio program there. All right, So I'm watching TV,

0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.359
<v Speaker 1>excuse me, and the news comes on and one of

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.919
<v Speaker 1>those crime stopper things comes up on the screen. Right.

0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 1>It says that you know, anyone with information about that

0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.760
<v Speaker 1>boy's killing, call this number. And I turned to my wife, Bev,

0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and this be my wife. By the way, I think

0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.160
<v Speaker 1>he gets some sort of reward, you know, if you call.

0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.520
<v Speaker 1>And then I remembered I've seen that. Yeah, and I've

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.879
<v Speaker 1>seen that girl is the one whose picture was on

0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.199
<v Speaker 1>the news. She was driving the car. Yeah, it was here.

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>It was Sarah. I'm sure at least you know, I'm

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.719
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty sure. Girl did have brown hair and burgerwits.

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Burger wits been all over that man. Yeah, I don't know.

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was brown. It was definitely the corn

0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and news man, I think so. I think so. I'm

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.679
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure anyway. But oh, by the way, did you

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.160
<v Speaker 1>know I didn't even get a reward. I didn't get sick.

0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm a victim here too, of sorts. Oh hi, this

0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:50.560
<v Speaker 1>is Trish Adam's girlfriend. We did on campus the other week. Look,

0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll get straight to it. I can't listen to your podcast,

0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and I sort of feel compelled to tell you something.

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:07.719
<v Speaker 1>M Robin. I we were seeing each other, sort of,

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 1>we were well, we were sleeping together, Robert, we can't

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.919
<v Speaker 1>keep messing around like this. I know, I know. How

0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.679
<v Speaker 1>come I don't want to stop. I don't want to

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>stop either, But it's wrong, so wrong. Winky face emoji,

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you're the devil? You know that devil emoji? When can

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I see you again? We're all going out to the

0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.880
<v Speaker 1>movies tomorrow night. No, I mean when can I see

0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you just you, preferably without any clothes? Question mark? Question

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:57.960
<v Speaker 1>mark devil emoji. I'm free Saturday night. I have a

0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>thing with mel, but we can meet up before I'll

0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.160
<v Speaker 1>text you already met top secret location. Winky face. Oh

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.120
<v Speaker 1>my god, you must really be the devil, because I'm

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:14.240
<v Speaker 1>going straight to hell. It was just a stupid fling

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that never should have happened. I think I'm proud of it.

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm disgusting with myself. I just wanted to tell

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you because the truth is I was with Rob the

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 1>night he was killed. So is this where you take

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>all of your side chicks. No, yeah, yeah, come on,

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know I don't think of you as just a

0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 1>side chick. You don't, no, Trish, I've never met anyone

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 1>like you before. Rob, Do not go catching feelings if

0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.959
<v Speaker 1>you insist. Does that mean we can't do this again?

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I I don't know. I guess we'll see. Hopefully I'll

0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 1>think better of it next time you text me. Hopefully not.

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Good night, Rob. Wait, let me drive you back to

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 1>your car. Too risky, let's not chance being seen together. Okay,

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>get home safe? H shit? Hey, mel Hey baby? Where

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>I am? Oh? I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby,

0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm late. I'm on my way over to you.

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Jesus damn, you scared me. What are you doing here? Wait? Wait,

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:51.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened. I didn't see anything. I

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:56.239
<v Speaker 1>never told the police because I didn't want to hurt Adam,

0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.159
<v Speaker 1>because I always just figured they caught the killer. So

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I start trouble. Like everyone else who's been listening, now,

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so sure. Wow, Rob really did that his

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:26.199
<v Speaker 1>best friend. I mean, what if Adam found out? You

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>have twice the reason to want Rob dad or Melody?

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I told you how jealous she gets and

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>what about that Dave guy? He could have easily called

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>her fake tip on his own crime. These people are

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.400
<v Speaker 1>all telling you that I did it when each one

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 1>of them had their own motives. So how are you

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:51.360
<v Speaker 1>going to believe you've reached the end of your investigation.

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.399
<v Speaker 1>It's time to decide who you think Rob's killer is.

0:24:54.920 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Here are your suspects. Rob's ex girlfriend Julia gonna fucking

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 1>kill him? Rob's best friend Adam. Why is there to

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>say it to a guy who would throw away fifteen

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 1>years of friendship? Rob's girlfriend Melody. It's like my future

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>was stolen from me, you know? Or the eyewitness Dave?

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you know? By the way, I didn't even get

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>a reward. I'm a victim here too, of sorts. We'll

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 1>be back with the answer after a word from our sponsor.

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Now it's time to find out who was really behind

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Rob's death. Rob's killer was his girlfriend Melody. She becomes

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 1>suspicious that he was cheating on her. Who's that, Oh,

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>it's Julia. She's just asking for some for things back

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>at two in the morning, and when she followed Rob

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.679
<v Speaker 1>to his hook up spot and had her suspicions confirmed,

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 1>she shot him It's like my future was stolen from me.

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 1>You know that's she did. That's what she took from me,

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:22.239
<v Speaker 1>my soul mate. Julia gave a major clue when she

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>said he said he saw me driving Rob's car. Her

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Rob's car isn't manual and I can't drive stick. If

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you listen closely, when Melody was driving, you could hear

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>her shifting between gears and her manual transmission car. Rob

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>was the love of my life. It was one of

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 1>those instant connections. This episode was inspired by a true

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>crime that occurred in nine when a young man found

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 1>himself wrongfully accused of his girlfriend's murder. He was convicted

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>two years later and spent years in prison for a

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>crime he didn't commit, but when a journalist began looking

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>into his case, he eventually uncovered exonerating evidence that would

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>lead to the man's release. At a new trial years later,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>he was found not guilty. Julia was played by Nicky

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 1>coss Rob by Harrison Callaghan, Melody by John Deney, park

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Adam by Bo Bridgeland, Dave by Eric Martzof Trish by

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Cossar Mohammed, Courtney by Natalia del Riego. Detective Hampsa by

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Dave Boat, Prosecutor by Joe san Felipo, Defense attorney by

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Brad Venable, Judge by Paul Kirby, Operator by Angela Pantana,

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Male anchor one by Andy Chanley Male anchor too by

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Richard Greene Female anchor one Atalia Costellanos female anchor to

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Andyo Winslow. Written and directed by Corey Search Produced, recorded

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and mixed by Salt Audio Executive Produced by Corey Searge

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and Walt Palmer. Sound designed by Jasper van Dyke for

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 1>Salt Audio. Original music and score by Noah Gersh and

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Jamie Scheffman at Salt Audio. Production Coordinator Liz Lamy recorded

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>at todd Ao Studios. Next time on Salt, a Miami

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>hair stylist at the center of a harassment campaign is

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>murdered in her own salon. Did a little, little, litle

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>little lift put the gun down. Okay, we we can

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>work this out. But with a possible mob connection. Was

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>there more to LeAnn than meets the eye? You in

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the business of taking people out, let's just say, in

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the business of album. So tune in next week to

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>find out