1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Driving nick GRD Episode four seventy seven 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: hour semi monthly mail bag episode. This episode of what 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: Driden nick Grid is brought to you by boost Mobile 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: or reminder to you, guys, subscribe to the show if 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: you can. We are approaching episode five hundred. We are 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: also approaching two hundred and fifty thousand subscribers on YouTube. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: It's a nice little milestone. Quarter of a million subscribers 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: on YouTube would be nice. 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Let's before we get to some 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: more random email questions. We did get a late question 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: ad that's kind of the story of the week this week. 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: It's about Team USA and Christian polistic So let's get 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: to it. 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: Uh So, Hank asked, what do you make of USA 42 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: legends like Carly Lloyd and Landon Donovan crushing policic after 43 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: the Belgium the Belgium loss. 44 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is really noteworthy that not only did 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: the you know, fraternity of the US national teams men's 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: and women's not circle the wagons around Polisic. Not only 47 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: did some of them come after him, but hard to 48 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: find anybody going to the mattresses defending him. That that's 49 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: noteworthy of me, the fact that you have almost unanimity 50 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: in folks. And I'm not again, I'm not trying to 51 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: pat myself on the back here but saying exactly what 52 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: I said from Afar on Tuesday morning, which is his 53 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: performance was wildly underwhelming and disappointing, and his comments after 54 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: the game were outrageous and they are hinting at or 55 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: flirting with questioning is toughness, all of which I did 56 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: from Afar. But I now feel more emboldened, if you will, 57 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: in that take in that opinion. And I saw again 58 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to call anybody out, but Henry Bushnell 59 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: for The Athletic wrote an article scolding everybody. And I'm 60 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: not going to read the entire thing to you, guys, 61 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: but I do want, I do want to address this critique, 62 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: which is he tweeted I wrote about Christian polistic and 63 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: all your stupid takes parenthetical, many based on a fifteen 64 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: second interview clip stripped out of context. In proper context, 65 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: was the opposite of what you think it is. And 66 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: then I went and read the article, and I had 67 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: watched the full interview, but I watched it again. And 68 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: the defense is that in the same art you know interview, 69 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Polisics said quote I never wanted it to end, and 70 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: that he also said it's just an unfortunate way to finish, 71 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: and that it's it's really difficult. Guys. We're not going 72 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: after Christian Polisic just because he said I have time 73 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: to rest. That was the cherry on top of a 74 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: year long march towards this wildly uninspiring, seemingly disinterested World Cup. 75 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: And listen, part of being a pro athlete, I've said 76 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: this before, I'll say it again is we do expect 77 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: a level of ma chese mo and toughness. And that's 78 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: from female pro athletes too, Like there is. That's not 79 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: like a a Neanderthal thing. That's just like you, oh, 80 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: you need these alpha male No, you expect folks, particularly 81 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: in the biggest spots, to play through pain. Shit. We 82 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: just found out this week, Jalen Brunson's having surgery right 83 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: on his and I think is that is it on 84 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: his shooting hand, because the let me the I just 85 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: want to make sure I get this right surgery on 86 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: left wrist. He's a lefty. We didn't like. One of 87 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: the reasons people things people love about Jalen brunton is 88 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: first game of the finals, it looked like he suffered 89 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: an injury that might knock him out for the finals. 90 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: He missed ten minutes. That's part of the deal, man, 91 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: and it is we have become way more, way more 92 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: forgiving and gentle and kind in the sports media than 93 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: it once was. And there is way more caution about 94 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: questioning anybody's toughness and never question anybody's injury any of 95 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: that stuff. And in general, that's a good thing. What 96 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: is tough for Polisics specifically, is the combination of you know, 97 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: it was the parlay of the following things. He skips 98 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the Gold Cup, Poachettino gets upset, Landon Donovan gets upset, 99 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: Then his dad goes after Landon Donovan. Again, that's not 100 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: really Polistic's fault, but it probably you know, it wasn't ideal. 101 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: Then he starts. You know, this year after skipping the 102 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Gold Cup to be as ready as possible for the 103 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: World Cup, playing his worst ball of his professional career. 104 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: That doesn't help. Then it's the injury in the first 105 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: game that nobody seemed to think was that big of 106 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: a deal, but it knocks him out for a game 107 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: and a half. That didn't help. Then it was the 108 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: fact that he wasn't that good when he played. And 109 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: then yes, the comments at the end were the cherry 110 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: on top, but the real thing that killed him was 111 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: it was so clear what happened to him on the injury. 112 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: This was just my opinion. I think had he stepped 113 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: funny and you see, like the knee wobble, people would 114 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: have been way less critical because it would have felt like, 115 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: you don't know, like who knows a lot of there's 116 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: ligaments and caps and tendons and stuff like ah, like 117 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: who knows. But because it we all saw what happened. 118 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: He tried to kick the ball, hit the guy's foot 119 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: and his ankle turned, and then after the game he 120 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: said it I turned my ankle or sprained my ankle. 121 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Even people that want to defend him deep down were saying, 122 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. So it's a World Cup 123 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: knockout round game, a home World Cup. So then you 124 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: add to it that I think a lot of those folks, 125 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: those legends in general, were not big fans of his beforehand. 126 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: And I think that you have a perfect storm of 127 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: they were waiting for their moment because they haven't they 128 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: haven't been huge polistic people already. And Tim Howard came 129 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: out and said that it was very interesting with Tim 130 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: Howard said, he's like, he's a nice footballer. If you 131 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: want to know any other things that I think about 132 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: Christian polistic, you'd have to ask me very direct questions. 133 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: I'd give you very direct answers. And then he moved on. 134 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: And so he just doesn't seem to have a lot 135 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: of allies. And this last point I'm going to make 136 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: on this demon's I he was not good in this 137 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: World Cup. It's undeniable. I think that is less of 138 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: a problem for him than I think that is less. 139 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: I think people could justify or deal with that, Hey, 140 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: I had a bad tournament, sucks, it happens everyone. Then 141 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: that's less sticky, even though it was a home World Cup, 142 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: such a big moment, all of that than Oh, I 143 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: don't think he's that tough. That's a sticky one. And 144 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: that's worse than being injury prone. Like it's I don't 145 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: think well that I won't I won't hit him with that, 146 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: I cause, but I just think I think people are think, oh, 147 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I said this on the show today, 148 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: but and it's reductive. But for lack of a better term, 149 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, might not have that dog in him, 150 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: as the kids say, And it really does feel like 151 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh doesn't have that dog in him. Yeah, And that's 152 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: a tough one. And that's you know, that's that's kind 153 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: of where we land. All right, let's get some other 154 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: stuff here. 155 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: Uh So over to the NBA. We got Lama. He said, 156 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: you referenced the media doesn't talk about Jordan's bad playoff moments. 157 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: What is the worst one and is and is it 158 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: comparable to tragic Johnson or Lebron in twenty eleven? 159 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: So I I don't listen. Jordan did never have a 160 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: playoff moment that was as bad as Broun in twenty eleven. 161 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: That's just as true. Le Bron in twenty eleven was 162 00:12:52,880 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: the most inexplicable. What is going on? Superstar thing we've seen. 163 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: That's the even as a guy who thinks Lebron is 164 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: clearly the greatest player ever. That's that is the that 165 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: is the truth. The other thing that is the truth 166 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: is the idea that Jordan never had bad playoff moments 167 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: is of course laughable, but folks will consider it gospel. Okay, 168 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: So we can just go through a few that would 169 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: I think be or at least noteworthy and while obviously 170 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: not part of the not the whole story or anything, 171 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: they happened, right. So the fact that in his first 172 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: three years in the playoffs, they the Bulls won one game, 173 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: not one series, one. 174 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: Game is noteworthy. 175 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: Ok, you didn't know that, right? Like the his first year, 176 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: his first year in the playoffs, they uh, they won 177 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: one game. His second year in the playoffs, they got 178 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: swept in round one. And by the way, his second 179 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: year in the playoffs is such an interesting one because 180 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: that's the one year Jordan had a real injury. Jordan 181 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: broke his foot and missed most of that season. And 182 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: that Bulls team, Demanse made the playoffs. They went thirty 183 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: and fifty two. So when people are like Jordan never 184 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs with the Bulls. Again. He was hurt 185 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: most of the year, so it wouldn't have been his fault. 186 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: But they made the playoffs with thirty wins. They went 187 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: thirty and fifty two. It was what was going on. No, 188 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: there was no play in but the league didn't have thirty. 189 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: They had way fewer teams and they were still doing 190 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: eight teams a conference, and so they made it that. 191 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: That was the year. He had his first two games 192 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: those playoffs. They lost them both. Again, he scored forty 193 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: nine in his first game they lost. He scored sixty 194 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: three in the second game they lost. And that's when no, 195 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: not at all. Game three, he didn't play. It didn't 196 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: play that well, but they were never beating. That was 197 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: the eighty six Celtics, one of the greatest teams ever. 198 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: Okay eighty seven though the Celtics team not quite as good. 199 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: You get Boston again, you lose the first two in Boston, 200 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: and again you at this point in your career, you've 201 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: won one playoff game ever, Game three at home for 202 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: a Bulls team that you know was supposed to be competitive. 203 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: He goes nine of thirty in that game. They get swept. 204 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: But again, those aren't the bad moments like that's all 205 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: growing pains, part of what it is. Fourth year in 206 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs, finally win a series, get clipped by Detroit 207 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: in five. He was good but not great in that series. 208 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: Fifty in the playoffs, you're up to one on Detroit. 209 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: This is the first one that you're like, oh, yeah, 210 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: this were Lebron, people would remember it more. Again, these 211 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: are it's year five, haven't been to a finals, have 212 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: won a league MVP. You're up to one on Detroit 213 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: in a home game four, you go five of fifteen, 214 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: and then in the thing that people say Jordan would 215 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: never do, Oh he would never, he would never shy 216 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: from the moment in the critical game five in Detroit, 217 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: four of eight from the field, four of eight, Detroit 218 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: wins and they win the next game. So again, those 219 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: are little demerits, if you will, noteworthy things that you 220 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: would that if it was Braun, I feel like folks 221 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: would remember. The next year against Detroit, another critical game five. 222 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: It's year six, you still haven't been to a finals. 223 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: You're trying to get over the hump. It's two to 224 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: two in the series seven of nineteen and you get 225 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: blown out, lose series and seven. Not great Okay. He then, 226 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: to his credit the next two years goes scorched earth 227 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: on the entire league wins those two titles. It's hard 228 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: to find a bad playoff moment until we get to 229 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: the game that is lost to history. And this is 230 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: the one that I just can't get over because the 231 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: last dance tricked you on it. So if you watched 232 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: the last dance right before Jordan retired the first time 233 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: they it is. They are going for their third straight title. 234 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: They have lost back to back games to the Knicks, 235 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: and mj in those two games shot thirty seven percent 236 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: from the field in both. They are down oh two. 237 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: Jordan is talking about all of the scrutinyum pressure, and 238 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: he is getting killed in the media because he was 239 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: in Atlantic City gambling all night. Okay, they go back 240 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: to Chicago, they are down oh two, their season is 241 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: on the line, and Michael Jordan goes three for eighteen, 242 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: but they win because Pippin's unbelievable and in the next 243 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: game he scores fifty four and they end up winning. 244 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: They tie the series up. The last dance totally skipped. 245 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: The last dance made you think he's they're down oh two, 246 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: he's getting killed gambling all night and then drops the 247 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: fifty four points. That's not what happened and so but 248 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: then he by the way after that three for eighteen. 249 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: It's the greatest stretch of basketball of his career, including 250 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: the greatest finals ever, those finals de Mons against Phoenix 251 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: and against League MVP Barkley. In those finals he averaged 252 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: forty one to eight and six. He was unbelievable. In 253 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: the ninety three finals, six does six games, he was 254 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: the He scored in the in those games thirty one, 255 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: forty two, forty four, fifty five, forty one, thirty three, 256 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: and one of their losses was a triple overtime game. 257 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: He was unreal. So he more again more than made 258 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: up for it. But the real answer is twofold on 259 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: did Jordan have rough playoff moments. The real answer is 260 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: when he came back from baseball the series against the Magic, 261 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: he was not good and people thought the Bulls were 262 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna win that series. He was had a forty point 263 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: game in that series, so like, and another a thirty 264 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: eight point game early in that series, and then at 265 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: the tail end of that series he was not good 266 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: and in the game they got eliminated, he was out 267 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: right back. He had a half dozen turnovers, He was 268 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: eight of nineteen from the field. He got stripped at 269 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: the end and they lost. Right, that's so, that's what 270 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: everybody says. Everybody's like, yeah, but that doesn't count. They're like, 271 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: and then so, and then I would imagine he probably 272 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been that good in the playoffs with the Wizards. 273 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: But he was not good enough to get the Wizards 274 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. And again, folks can say, oh, that's outrageous. 275 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: How can you ask him he was thirty nine years old. Well, 276 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, he was like some thirty ninety. You know, 277 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: forty year olds can do amazing things these days, and 278 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: so but no, so he had some Oh let me 279 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: add one other thing. That again, I just think is 280 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: part of the story. He only had one tough finals ever, 281 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: and it was against UH Seattle, and George Carl in 282 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: his infinite wisdom for Seattle, for some reason, decided not 283 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: to have the league's best perimeter defender, Gary Payton guard 284 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan until the Sonics were down three to zero 285 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: in the series. They went down three to zero, he 286 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: finally put Peyton on mj over the final three games, 287 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: of the series, Jordan averaged twenty three points a game 288 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: on thirty seven percent from the field. But it was 289 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: too late. The Seattle was able to win games four 290 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: and five, Chicago won game six, series was over, but 291 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: no he One of the check marks in Jordan's column 292 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: is he doesn't have that just like, oh my god, 293 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: what happened playoff series? But it also some folks would 294 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: have you believe, you know, he didn't have bad playoff games, 295 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's not an accurate reading of history. 296 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: He got another basketball question here in a second, but first, 297 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: today's show's brought to you by representing sponsor hard Rock 298 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: Bet Florida sportsbook. 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I happen to 343 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: believe if that happened over the next three years, Lebron, 344 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: Steph and Durant all would have gotten one. I think 345 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: that instead of it being Stephan Durant win those two together, 346 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: and then everybody in the Warriors gets hurt, and Kawhi 347 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: and the Raptors end up, you know, grabbing that one. 348 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: I think that Kyrie doesn't ask to leave Cleveland. I 349 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things that happened then and 350 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the you know, the ring 351 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: count then also is more indicative of what their careers were. 352 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: Like Lebron finishes at least as of this minute, he 353 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: has five, Durant has won, Steph has two, and like, 354 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: oh okay, that's about you know how it probably should 355 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: have gone. But there is a very interesting push and 356 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: pull of if Durant never joined Steph, if Steph doesn't 357 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: like one of the reasons Steph got those two more 358 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: rings in the twenty tens, right, was because Durant was there. 359 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: So if so, that helped his historical ranking, you know 360 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like a very I don't 361 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: if Durant would have never gotten any rings had he 362 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: not joined Steph. That obviously is uh that hurts his 363 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: historical ranking massively, But I've gotta think he would have 364 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: won one. He was so good during that time. Do 365 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: you do you question that would have found a way 366 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: to win one. 367 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think people would have been 368 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: easier on putting putting him up above other players too. 369 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: I feel like it's just kind of hard to get 370 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: you know. 371 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is are you what I'm what I'm 372 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: hold on. What I'm saying is are you as confident 373 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: as I am that had he not joined the Warriors 374 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: champion somehow? 375 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just yeah, the I can't say for sure, 376 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: just because it seems like Katie is a little bit 377 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: of a different type of dude. But I was just 378 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: gonna say that people are gonna want to play with 379 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, So I feel like he would have gotten 380 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: a chip somehow. 381 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: But well, you know, had he joined the Celtics, potentially, 382 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: you know he's you know, he gets Tatum and Brown 383 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: like there's still some really interesting teams. No way he does. Yeah, 384 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: that's what I think. I think he finds a way 385 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: to win, he wins one. I think Durant is ranked 386 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: properly historically. He is in everyone's top twenty, and no 387 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: one's who's serious in their top ten. That's and so 388 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't really want to spend a lot 389 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: of time here debating if he's fourteen or eighteen, right, Like, 390 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: that's not as productive. And I think that's about where 391 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: he was supposed to stand up, this all time great 392 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: player who had some I would say leadership shortcomings that 393 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: ultimately prevented him from reaching that top, top, top level 394 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: that as the greatest shooting seven footer of all time, 395 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: he certainly could have gotten to. And so I think 396 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: he's right where he's supposed to be. All right, this 397 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: is a longer question, demonse, but I like it's from 398 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: water bottle. 399 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: Uh So, water Bottle says, the sports world is what, 400 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: as well as the broader economy, seems to be increasingly 401 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: seems to be increasingly towards a winner, take all mentality. 402 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: This seems to be manifesting in the NBA take tanking 403 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: issue and how that is migrating to the NFL Miami 404 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: seemingly being purpose, purposefully bad this year. You have been 405 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: critical of the Steelers for trying to win as many 406 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: games as possible each season instead of sacrificing seasons season 407 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: success in exchange for a chance at a new franchise 408 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: quarterback Jesus Christ. 409 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you did. That was fine, but keep going. 410 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: I think it's there's more to There's more to I 411 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: think the. 412 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: I think the media conversation around the these leagues being 413 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: solely focused on championships and MVPs adds to this problem. 414 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: What balance do you think franchises else up there? What 415 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: balance do you think franchises should pursue pursue regarding regular 416 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: season success and maintaining a competitive regular season versus chasing championships. 417 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: So I think this is a really interesting and smart question, 418 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take it on from the Steelers' perspective specifically, 419 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: because I think that there is there is honor in, Hey, 420 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: we're trying to win, We're not trying to throw seasons away. 421 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: But I also think there is honor in having an 422 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: honest conversation about what you're trying to win. And if 423 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: you're simply trying to win as many games this regular 424 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: season as possible, you are going to take a different 425 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: approach than if you are truly trying to win a 426 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: championship at some point. And my biggest issue with the 427 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: Steelers approach has been you could do everything that you 428 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: have done, team and coaching wise, the same in trying 429 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: to build a roster that can win as many games 430 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: as possible and not done it with a retread thirty 431 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: or forty something year old quarterback that you still have TJ. 432 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: Watt and you still have Cam Hayward and you still 433 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: trade for DK Metcalf, and you don't throw seasons away. 434 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: But you're not starting Russell Wilson and then Aaron Rodgers 435 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: is your quarterback. You are starting somebody that you think 436 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: one day can be your franchise Super Bowl quarterback. And 437 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a problem with teams whose 438 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: number one focus is winning a title. I do have 439 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: a problem if teams use our focus is winning a 440 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: title as an excuse to just punt on multiple seasons. 441 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: That I don't like. But having a long term vision 442 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: and long term plan is the I think the right 443 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: way to go about it and what you need to 444 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: do if you're trying to win a championship, which is 445 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal in American team sports 446 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: is not avoiding bottoming out and it is not consistent 447 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: B minus seasons. The ultimate goal is having a parade 448 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: and your decision. Now again that mean that being the 449 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: ultimate goal doesn't mean it's the only goal, but it 450 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: is the ultimate goal. And so that's where I take 451 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: issue with what the Steelers did or have done. But 452 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that I think teams doing what Utah 453 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: has done over the last few years and just actively 454 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: trying to lose games year over year is a good 455 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: answidote to that. All right, he has a second, totally 456 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: unrelated question, demonise. 457 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: Uh who supplies the money for the bank? Would you 458 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: play real money Monopoly? 459 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: What a question? Our buddy Mark Carmon's calling me doing 460 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: the pod call you back. So there's two ways to 461 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: go about it, like there is if people are asking 462 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: how it should be done, Essentially everyone involved can bring 463 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, call it. If you're playing 464 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: ten cents on the dollar, everyone who's playing can all 465 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: bring you know, five hundred bucks, which is the equivalent 466 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: to five thousand Monopoly dollars. If you're playing ten cents 467 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: on the dollar, all the money that goes in play, 468 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: the winner keeps, and then the money left in the 469 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: bank gets divvied up in equal shares. What I'm saying 470 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: makes sense. Four people are playing, everyone brings five hundred bucks, 471 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: or if you're playing one cent on the dollar, fifty bucks. 472 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: Like you know, you however, or if you're playing true 473 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: to the dollar, everybody brings five thousand bucks. You guys 474 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: can do the math on it. But let's just say 475 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: you're playing ten cents on the dollar. Everybody brings five 476 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, So the bank has two thousand real dollars, 477 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: which is the equivalent of twenty thousand Monopoly dollars. That's 478 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: more than enough for a game of Monopoly. Then if 479 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the game, the winner of the 480 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: two thousand US dollars in there, the winner has sixteen 481 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: hundred of them, that four hundred that's left in the bank. 482 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: Each person of the you know, everybody gets one hundred, 483 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars rebate one hundred dollars back. The winner 484 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: doesn't get the extra bank dollars, They just get the 485 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: dollars that were in play. That's one way to do it. 486 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: Another way to do it is just one like you know, 487 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: you play far cheaper stakes and the host supplies it, 488 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you play one cent 489 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: on the dollar if you will, and the host brings 490 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: two hundred bucks and whatever's left in the kitty at 491 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: the end they get back, but the winner keeps the rest. 492 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: Like that's the way. That's the way to go about it. 493 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: If you're gonna play real I think most people when 494 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: they say play real money monopoly, they're playing to like 495 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: real gambling, real competitive. Everyone brings their own share of 496 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: the bank, and everyone contributes equal to the bank. 497 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 2: It's too chance you have a game for me to 498 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 2: throw real money in there. 499 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think it's a no. It's anybody 500 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't No, it would ruin families. Recommend it for people. 501 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: Who are you know, like gambler whatever. 502 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: Card games for money. Yeah, yeah, people that gamble for 503 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: a lot, you know what, the guys that played you know, 504 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: bat gammon for money or cards for money or bouret 505 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: or guts or whatever it is. By the way, black 506 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: never mind, I'm not even gonna say that. 507 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to javan Javon says which team 508 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: is still is the biggest threat to the rams super 509 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: Bowl chances. 510 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: I think Seattle, But not because I think Seattle's gonna repeat. 511 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: I think Seattle because I think that they are the 512 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: biggest reason the Rams won't win, could not win their division. 513 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: And I think if the Rams have to go on 514 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: the road in the playoffs, there their chances of winning 515 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl are cut in half. I just think 516 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: that Rams team, if they get home field throughout and 517 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: they can play in climate controlled, good conditions throughout the playoffs, 518 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: they're if hell, they're the best team. But if somebody 519 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: can if they all of a sudden have to deal 520 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: with what they dealt with last year where they win 521 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: thirteen games but it's not enough for home field advantage 522 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: and they have to go on the road, I think 523 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: that is the best path to slowing them down, so 524 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: to speak. All right, we have a good question from 525 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: Daniel from overseas. 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All right, demons, let's go 537 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: to Daniel's question. 538 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: Daniel says, I'm from Italy, and of course soccer coverage 539 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 2: here in Europe is very different, but it's fun to 540 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 2: listen to football talk with an unusual American spin. Do 541 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: you think soccer will ever rise to the top tier 542 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 2: in the US or is it the cultural barrier just 543 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: too tough to break. I asked this question because there's 544 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: a tiny part of my brain brain that every time 545 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 2: I listen to read US coverage about the sports thinks 546 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 2: man they will never fully understand it. 547 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I don't think the average American 548 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: is ever going to fully get what soccer means in 549 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: Europe and the way it's covered and the way it is, 550 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, I can't for lack of the way it 551 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: is their NFL. Yes, yeah, exactly, just the the way 552 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: we care about and discuss, you know, training camp storylines 553 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: and who the offensive coordinator is like. That is what 554 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: the EPL or La Liga or Siria A is over there, 555 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: and I don't think we are. Obviously there are some 556 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: folks here that follow it to that level. I said 557 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: yesterday that are a few days ago that I think 558 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: I follow it more than ninety six percent of Americans, 559 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: and I don't follow it to that level. I don't. 560 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: So I understand there being a oh that's cute the 561 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: way you guys are covering the sport, you know, look 562 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: the same way that I would imagine I would feel 563 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: if I watched. 564 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: A Derek Ray call of the Chiefs game. 565 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're more than call not so much calling 566 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: the game. But if I watched, you know, talk sport, 567 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: do a NFL playoffs segment with a bunch of guys 568 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: that you know, only casually watched the NFL, And so yeah, 569 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: I think there is you know, an element to that. Uh. 570 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: I Also, I don't think ever is a long time. 571 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: I don't think in my lifetime soccer will be the 572 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: biggest sport in this country. And I would be surprised 573 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: if it's ever the biggest sport in this country. And 574 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a problem, like it's our The 575 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: thing about our three biggest sports is their American sports. 576 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: And I know that sounds reductive, but like we invented football, 577 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: we invented basketball, we at least, you know, have been 578 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 1: playing baseball for one hundred and fifty years, and so. 579 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 2: You think it gets pass those like hockey. 580 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: But I just don't think it would be number one. 581 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: I just don't think it would be number one. I 582 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: just would be surprised if it gets to number one. 583 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: But I don't think that needs to get to number 584 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: one for it to be awesome. All right, scroll down 585 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: a bit. Demon's uh go to Cole's question, and we 586 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: have some other First Things First questions that we can 587 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: get to another day, but let's do Cole's question here. 588 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 2: Cole says, can you take us behind the scenes of 589 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: First Things First and discuss what the preparation is like? 590 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's actually very simple. So if we're 591 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: on our normal schedule, okay, where the show's on at three, 592 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: we we have a Google doc that Dusty and Hubbs 593 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: put together that we all have access to to put 594 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: our thoughts in, and by around nine thirty every morning, 595 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: Dusty has laid out what he thinks the show should be. 596 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: At ten am, we have a call where everyone's on it, 597 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: where Dusty kind of verbalizes what's in the dock, and 598 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: the vast majority of the time that call the time 599 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: on that call, it's that calls anywhere from fifteen to 600 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: twenty five minutes. That time is not really spent on 601 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: us debating what we should be talking about. Usually, what 602 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: Dusty has laid out as what we should be talking 603 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: about is exactly what we are going to talk about. 604 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: Occasionally it's like, oh yo, this, we're actually super passionate 605 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: about this story and don't like this story, so let's 606 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: change the story entirely. More, most of the call is 607 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: talked about is spent discussing what question we should ask. 608 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: So it's like, we know we're going to be talking 609 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: about the US, you know, to use take the show 610 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: from uh Wednesday, we're the story. The biggest story was 611 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,280 Speaker 1: Messi and Argentina. The second biggest story was more polistic fallout. 612 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: We all agreed on that. That's how it was laid out. 613 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: But then the question is in the doc is how 614 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: impressive was Messi's performance? And then I chime in, I'm like, 615 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to let's do a different question, because 616 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: the how you know, if we are if all of 617 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: us were impressed by it, that is, you know, now 618 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: we're all the discussion is I was really impressed. I 619 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 1: was very impressed. I was like, that's not the best one. 620 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: So then we kick it around and somebody suggested, oh, 621 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: Nick had just picked Argentina to win. The whole thing's 622 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: Brazil got knocked out? Nick, did you think they were done? Like, okay, 623 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: that's interesting, and that gets us into, you know, the topic, 624 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: so that so it's it's right, it's a bunch of 625 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: different many conversations about not so much what the topics 626 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: should be that we're discussing, but how we should discuss them. 627 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: So that's ten to ten thirty. Then days I have 628 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: the pod. As soon as that's over, I do the pod. 629 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: Days I don't have the pod, you know. I then 630 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: kind of start working there. I get in around noon. 631 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: Wilds usually gets in around eleven thirty. Bru gets in 632 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: around the same time as me every day. When I 633 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 1: come in, I walk past Wilde's office, chat with him 634 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: for about five minutes every day, see if there's anything noteworthy, 635 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, anything's changed in the ninety minutes it's 636 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: the call. And then I usually work in the conference 637 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 1: room with all the producers, and Brew works a floor 638 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: above us by himself, and none of us will see 639 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: Brew until five minutes before the show, he goes to 640 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: the room, closes the door, works by himself, texts the 641 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: producers for stuff. That's his process. K W and I 642 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: are shouting kind of down the hall from each other 643 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: throughout the day usually, and then I I do the 644 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: same thing I've done for every show for almost nine years. 645 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: I have a Manila folder, I have a sharpie, and 646 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: I just start jotting down bullet point thoughts on the questions. 647 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: And that is mostly as by writing it, I remember 648 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: it more so than it is a reference point when 649 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm out there. But sometimes I look at it as 650 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: a reference point. And Josh our stats Guy, which used 651 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: to be Dusty's job. Dusty used to be the statuy 652 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: but he's since been promoted to producer. Josh our stats guy. 653 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, on like knows where we're leaning on topics, 654 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: and we'll by the time I get in, he'll be like, hey, 655 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: here's this graphic because I think you're gonna make this point, 656 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,240 Speaker 1: here's a graphic that would support it. Or more often 657 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: on my end at least, I will text Josh like, hey, 658 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: here are either I know these stats, let's turn them 659 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: into a graphic, or here is what I believe to 660 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: be true. Do the stats back that up? If so, 661 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: can we turn that into a graphic. And then if 662 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: there are any you know, bits or high jinks or chicanery, 663 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: we make sure that we all know what's going on 664 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: or importantly, sometimes we know people don't know what's going 665 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: on because it's supposed to be a surprise. So that's 666 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: the process from noon till about two twenty For me, 667 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: two twenty to two thirty, I get dressed, two thirty 668 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: to two thirty five to forty, I get makeup, and 669 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 1: then I sit on set. I'm always the first person 670 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: on set. I sit on set from two forty on 671 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: and go like, hey, I have these six graphics. I 672 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna use this one in this block, this one, 673 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: and this block. I want to make sure we have 674 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: you know, this highlight that I'm going to toss to 675 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 1: or this sound bite. And then Brew comes down like 676 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,240 Speaker 1: around two fifty Wilds comes down like around two fifty four, 677 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: and we all yeah, I mean that's usually the the 678 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's you know, that's the process. 679 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: And then after the show we are out of there, 680 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: like after the when the show ends, uh at, you know, 681 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: well we do overtime now, but by five if we're 682 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: off the air at five twenty, we're all out of 683 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: there by five thirty. So that's the process that day 684 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: in the life. Officers in there, yes, kind of, uh 685 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: kind of. Wild's always says it's a shared office, but 686 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: he's the only person that uses his office. I didn't 687 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: used to have an office. I kind of now have one. 688 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: Danny definitively has an office. And uh, but like I 689 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: don't have any stuff on the walls, like you know 690 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, I don't have if I got fired, 691 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to like bring a box like to 692 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: grab yourself. But yeah, so but I mostly work in 693 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: the conference room with all the producers. So that's a 694 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: day in the life of first things first. I hope 695 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: that was interesting to you guys. All right, subscribe to 696 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: the pod because we're gonna have an odd schedule until 697 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: the world comes over. Uh, And also just a heads 698 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: up from the end of July and through the end 699 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: of August. I'm I'm usually on vacation right now. I'm 700 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 1: not on vacation right now, think because of the World Cup, 701 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: which while I have loved every minute of it, I 702 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: am pretty soon to be running on fumes, which is 703 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,760 Speaker 1: to say we're gonna be taking some time into July 704 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 1: through the end of August. Demon'sday's coming out here for 705 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: a week. We're doing a family vacation end of August. 706 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: I just booked an open ended ticket to the overseas, 707 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be taking some time before football. But 708 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: we'll still have it. We still have a bunch of 709 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: great stuff coming at you guys as we lead up 710 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: in episode five hundred, as we approach a quarter of 711 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: a million subscribers on YouTube. So we appreciate you guys 712 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: to work, appreciate you guys watching and listening. Thank you 713 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: to hard Rock Bet and the Boost, thank you to 714 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: Volume in the Blue Duck. And we will talk to 715 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: you guys early next week. I do think we're gonna 716 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: be half a show Monday, so again, that's why I 717 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: subscribed to the pod, A little World Cup show on Monday. 718 00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,919 Speaker 1: Talk to you guys. Then we'll train