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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, September seventeenth, and we

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Speaker 2: hope you're having a good one. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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Speaker 2: of course, with Courtney Armstrong and body move in.

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Speaker 3: And what a day it has been.

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Speaker 2: If your head has spin in and you're feeling a

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Speaker 2: little upside down, welcome, pull up a chair. You are safe,

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Speaker 2: and we are going to meet right here in the middle,

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Speaker 2: because guess what, we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about this story, I think last week

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Speaker 2: with Taha, fifteen year old victim, that little girl who

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Speaker 2: was found in the trunk of a tesla of the

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Speaker 2: singer David has been identified and David's concert in Seattle

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Speaker 2: has been canceled. FBI Director Cash Betel says that he

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Speaker 2: actually has never had a conversation with President Trump about

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Speaker 2: Epstein or the files, at least not directly.

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Speaker 3: More on that to come.

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Speaker 2: And also this latest setback in the road to freedom

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Speaker 2: for the Menandez Brothers, one more disappointment, So we'll be

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Speaker 2: unpacking much more than that as well. Doronto Fear, our

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Speaker 2: pop culture expert, will also be joining us later in

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 3: Always a good time, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying, and listen, we cannot forget if this is the

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Speaker 2: Big Wednesday, it's our true crime in chill night. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we've all been watching The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox

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Speaker 2: on Hulu, so good.

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Speaker 3: I hope you guys are all caught up.

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Speaker 2: And if you watch the documentary that's great also because

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Speaker 2: again tomorrow Amanda Knox will be joining us for one

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Speaker 2: full hour, so we're so looking forward to it and

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Speaker 2: we're so happy you're here.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to jump right in.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this insane story about this four fifteen

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Speaker 2: year old girl.

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Speaker 3: Taha.

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Speaker 2: Since you kind of reported on this the first time,

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Speaker 2: do you want to set it up for us a

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Speaker 2: little bit?

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Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah, it was a strange one when we talked

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Speaker 4: about it last week's Body. You were out at the

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Speaker 4: time and I had gone to miss some of this,

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Speaker 4: but it went from strange to now it's becoming really bizarre.

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Speaker 4: But in a nutshell, the decomposed remains that were found

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Speaker 4: identified as fifteen year old Celeste Revest. She was missing

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Speaker 4: from Lake Elsner, It's an area in California, and authorities

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Speaker 4: are still continuing to investigate the circumstances. In a nutshell,

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Speaker 4: it looks like Celeste disappeared from her home in Lake Elslore, California,

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Speaker 4: back in April of twenty twenty four, when she was

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Speaker 4: just thirteen years old. And what is really bizarre about

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Speaker 4: all of this is, after more than a year without answers,

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Speaker 4: her body was discovered inside a tesla that's registered to

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Speaker 4: twenty year old rising music star or artist David. He's

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Speaker 4: a singer that he's been on tour. He's I've actually

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Speaker 4: listened to some of his music.

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Speaker 4: He's you know, he's really into it.

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Speaker 4: But this whole thing is really strange, and I didn't

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Speaker 4: think a body knew about it. But of course the

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Speaker 4: crime analyst she is, she's like, I already know, and

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Speaker 4: I got some more stuff that you may not know about.

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Speaker 4: But one of the things that aside from the fact

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Speaker 4: now they've figured all of that. One of the really

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Speaker 4: weird things is she has a tattoo on her right finger.

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Speaker 4: It's her right index finger and it reads shhh.

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Speaker 4: If you recall when we talked about this last week,

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Speaker 4: has that similar tattoo. It's strange. I talked to another

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Speaker 2: But strange is definitely having your car impounded and abandon

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Speaker 2: regardless of his great talent, and yes he's a rising star,

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Speaker 2: why is there a fifteen year old girl in your trunk?

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Speaker 7: And mom Celeste's mom said that she had a boyfriend

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Speaker 2: She didn't even have good feelings about it and was

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Speaker 2: in this trunk decomposing for maybe up to a month.

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Speaker 7: Authority say, wow, and there's a lot of information that

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Speaker 7: And there's a lot, but I can't really talk about it, right, Like,

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's not that surprising because I mean, her

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Speaker 3: That's surprising.

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Speaker 2: She was fifteen years old.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, that's the surprising part. What I'm saying it

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Speaker 7: is not surprising is that they knew each other.

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Speaker 7: And so because all the things that I have found,

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Speaker 7: and there's a lot of posts there that predate that

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Speaker 7: predate her being found, mentioning her. Okay, so it's very interesting.

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Speaker 7: But again I don't want to repeat it because it's unsubstantiated,

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Speaker 7: and it's you know, social media chatter and whatnot.

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Speaker 4: And I don't want to sure, yeah, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to stir that, not too much, but I.

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Speaker 2: Will there is a lot of information out there.

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Speaker 4: And I will add they're saying that his real name

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Speaker 4: that he is working with him. But it all is

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Speaker 4: it's a little, I don't know, a lot of it.

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Speaker 5: Just is this kid run.

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Speaker 7: He's twenty he was a thirteen year old girl because

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Speaker 7: it's well twenty right there, correct, And she's fifteen. She

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Speaker 7: went missing when she was thirteen, so he would have

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Speaker 7: And he meets this thirteen year old, right, This is

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Speaker 7: it all. And she goes missing thirteen years old.

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Speaker 2: And that tattoo, so basically, if you're telling somebody to

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Speaker 3: That is a popular tattoo.

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Speaker 2: I have seen that Rihanna has it, or there's ninety

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Speaker 3: What are they like?

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Speaker 5: Quiet?

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Speaker 9: Yeahs, you're not even allowed to get a tattoo. I

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Speaker 9: don't believe, not even old enough to have any tattoo. Also,

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Speaker 9: and body are correct. A lot of sort of what

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Speaker 9: has been posted but not substantiated, could be literally anything.

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Speaker 9: What we can say is that TMZ is reporting that

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Speaker 9: David they posted a picture of him right in the

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Speaker 9: area where the missing the now deceased girls Celeste live.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've posted pictures of them together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's actually a studio out there. You see them together,

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Speaker 4: which is another area of strangeness. Even if there's a

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Speaker 7: There's an unreleased it was an unreleased track and there's

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Speaker 7: you know, and he mentions her twice or a woman

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Speaker 2: Her card dead and how Celests are there? And you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean that that's not an uncommon name, a beautiful name.

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Speaker 2: I might ask, what a terrible day for her mom?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, let's assume for a second that he

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Speaker 2: there's no connection and this is just a terrible misunderstanding. However,

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Speaker 2: if that's not the case, if you knew that your

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Speaker 4: Another really unusual thing. I think I mentioned this body

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Speaker 5: Like it's just a lot of like, I.

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Speaker 2: Know that's a good song, too, right, it is.

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Speaker 4: I know I even say that, but too much about it?

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Speaker 9: And as of right now, the medical examiner has the

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Speaker 9: cause and manner of death as deferred and in this moment,

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Speaker 9: there's no suspect or person of interest.

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Speaker 2: Well, his best friends went on Twitch.

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Speaker 7: Today and they say he's innocent, So we definitely want

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Speaker 7: to throw that out there that he does have people

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Speaker 7: he's innocent for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, Okay, that's the case.

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Speaker 4: I really do too.

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Speaker 9: Time will tell and we will be following. We are

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Speaker 9: True Crime tonight and we are on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong,

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Speaker 9: lucky enough to be here with body Moven and Stephanie

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Speaker 9: Leidecker and of course producer Taha bringing in all the

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Speaker 2: That was well done, by.

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Speaker 5: The way, Wow, well thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I have the best people guiding me along

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Speaker 4: with how things are done. So thank you to all

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Speaker 4: three of you. But but yeah, yeah, I love this.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, please join our conversation, ed eate three one crime.

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Speaker 9: The more voices, the better. We want to hear any

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Speaker 9: of your thoughts on today's headlines or any other true

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Speaker 9: crime news you think we should know about. And now

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Speaker 9: I think we had another story to move on to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we could, or if you want, we could go

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Speaker 4: to a talk back because I'm here.

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Speaker 5: Oh, let's do that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, talk talk talks in the mix, Hey.

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Speaker 10: Y'alls from Bama. Just the thought form. When the discussion

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Speaker 9: So it is true crime and Chill night. So we've

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's got to be difficult. I would do it.

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Speaker 7: I would turn I would turn you in, Stephanie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you would take me.

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Speaker 2: You would take me right, you would make me turn

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Speaker 3: You will go.

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Speaker 2: I would turn all of you in.

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Speaker 9: Again, this is certainly an unfolding story that needs all

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Speaker 7: But this is what the news that we've been waiting for,

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, so that letter, basically what they're saying is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am too.

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Speaker 2: that was that, right, that was a big push and

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Speaker 2: they were everywhere, and you know, there was a big

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Speaker 2: election happening in Los Angeles. It all seems now in

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Speaker 2: retrospect extremely performative that potentially the person who was now

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Speaker 2: running for re election at that time, you know, thought

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Speaker 2: they could probably kind of you know, capitalize a little

448
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Speaker 2: bit on the frenzy and the media of getting these

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Speaker 2: Menendez boys in front of the cameras and probably gave

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Speaker 2: them a lot at the time.

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Speaker 7: At the time, it was just it was just after

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Speaker 7: this big social media push, right because Monsters had just

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Speaker 7: come out, and there was a lot of people advocating

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Speaker 7: for you know, their release or you know, some sort

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Speaker 7: of leniency, right, and so now it's done, right, so

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Speaker 7: they jepp away for parole now again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're assuming it's done. But you know what

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Speaker 4: I would love to do is I would love to

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Speaker 4: have do you remember Robert rand the author, and he

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Speaker 4: basically to me gave the impression that things might be

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Speaker 4: changing with him with their situation. So I'd love to

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Speaker 4: invite him back to get his intake.

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Speaker 2: Or isn't I always talking to him? Yeah, because he's

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Speaker 2: just he would also suggest that it's very common for

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Speaker 2: these roadblocks to happen at this stage and going up

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Speaker 2: for appeal sometimes it takes four or five, six times.

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Speaker 3: Okay. However, there was a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of media attention and a lot of you know, big

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Speaker 2: important attorneys that were front and center basically saying the

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Speaker 2: Menanda's boys were coming home. Remember when they were just

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Speaker 2: in the hospital, the whole hospital stint. They were going

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Speaker 2: to go home after that. And it must be very

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Speaker 2: hard to reacclimate once you taste the idea of being released.

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Speaker 3: And the hope. I mean there was on that front.

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Speaker 9: There was a post very recently by Lyle Menendez on

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Speaker 9: his Facebook page and he called the ruling mental gymnastics exercise.

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Speaker 9: So it is, and you know, Governor Newsom was hot

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Speaker 9: on the case. Everyone was swept up. If I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 9: Kim Kardashian was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was into it.

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Speaker 2: But listen, everybody was into it because there was a

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Speaker 2: lot of chatter. There was a documentary. There was this

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Speaker 2: very fancy scripted show. It was a cloudy right, it

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Speaker 2: was current. It was a way to be a part

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Speaker 2: of a very popular conversation, and that to me is

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Speaker 2: also really dangerous it is because you're using that as

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Speaker 2: a reason either. I don't know. I'm not to say

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Speaker 2: saying this is fact, but it has been implied by

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Speaker 2: many that that election here in Los Angeles at the

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Speaker 2: time played a big part in the menendeg ways, and

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Speaker 2: I could imagine that's probably really a tough thing to

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Speaker 2: reevaluate from.

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Speaker 7: Wow, Well, we're gonna have to keep following this because

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Speaker 7: you know, we're gonna have to wait for parole now,

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Speaker 7: I guess right, or if there's any more developments, we'll

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Speaker 7: bring them to you. This is True Crime Tonight than iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 7: I'm body movin and I'm here with the lovely Courtney

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Speaker 7: Armstrong and Stephanie Leidecker and Taha on the microphone. We've

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Speaker 7: been giving you all the latest headlines in the true

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Speaker 7: crime news and right now we're going to go to

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Speaker 7: a talk back.

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Speaker 8: What do we got, Hello, ladies, This is Jennifer from Texas.

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Speaker 8: I was just watching my local news and saw a

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Speaker 8: story about a young African American student found hanging from

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Speaker 8: a tree in Cleveland, Mississippi. What is happening?

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Speaker 5: Question?

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Speaker 8: I don't understand, but hoping that you could maybe talk

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Speaker 8: about this and cover this story. Thank you all so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is pretty pretty grim.

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Speaker 7: So Monday, just this week, Monday and the fifteenth, early

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Speaker 7: in the morning, campus police found the body of a

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Speaker 7: twenty one year old university student, Trey Reid, hanging from

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Speaker 7: a tree by the pickleball courts of Mississippi Delta State University.

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Speaker 2: It's very tragic.

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Speaker 7: Authorities are currently they're reporting no signs of foul play.

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Speaker 7: So he doesn't have any like abrasions, there's no sign

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Speaker 7: of assault, there's no indication of what happened. Reid's family

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Speaker 7: the victim in here, you know, by all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 7: it's a victim from you know.

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Speaker 3: What I can tell you. He's hanging from a tree.

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Speaker 7: Well, in the initial the initial report said that it

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Speaker 7: was a suicide, the initial reports, And I don't know

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Speaker 7: if that's still accurate because there's not really a lot

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Speaker 7: of information coming out. But the family of Trey Reid

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Speaker 7: has hired civil rights attorney Ben Crump, and you know,

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Speaker 7: Ben Crump is demanding transparency through you know, a thorough investigation.

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Speaker 7: This case was followed hours later, you guys, by reportedly

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Speaker 7: unrelated another hanging death of another man about one hundred

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Speaker 7: miles away, so Trey Reid, you know, he was a student.

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Speaker 7: Authorities so far reported, like, again, no sign of physical

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Speaker 7: alter ate, you know, trauma or foul play. The county

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Speaker 7: coroner stated Reid had no lacerations, contusions, fractures, or injuries

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Speaker 7: consistent with assault. And the idea here might you know,

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Speaker 7: and I'm a layman, right, but the idea here is

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Speaker 7: if that he was forcibly hung murdered, right, there would

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Speaker 7: be some kind of indication that he was assaulted, knocked

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Speaker 7: out maybe, you know, but it's you know.

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Speaker 9: It could be drugs like I was gonna ranked or something, yeah, someone,

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Speaker 9: or he was drugged or incapacitated, yeah, in any way,

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Speaker 9: and this happened. But also I'm very surprised that even

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Speaker 9: all of this no foul play, the autopsy is still underway, right,

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Speaker 9: the preliminary results are not even out right, So this

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Speaker 9: is what feels like to me to be a rush

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Speaker 9: to judgment.

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Speaker 3: Is concerning.

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Speaker 7: Local authorities have added that there are videos and they're

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Speaker 7: in the hands of the investigative team. So I'm not

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Speaker 7: sure if there's like a CCTV situation or if somebody

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Speaker 7: was you know, filming on their cell phone. The family

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Speaker 7: has asked for people not to look for the video,

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Speaker 7: so I didn't. You know, I'm trying to be respectful.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to go and see what videos were out there,

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Speaker 7: but I haven't. But again I wanted to. But the

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Speaker 7: family and I've asked for you know, not for people

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Speaker 7: to these videos. The again, the attorney, he's pretty famous.

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Speaker 7: I've heard Ben Crump many many times, and they were

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Speaker 7: calling for full transparency sight or they're citing lingering questions

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Speaker 7: and concern over possible bias in early conclusions because again

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Speaker 7: initial reportings that it was a suicide, and they're saying that

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Speaker 7: might be bias.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna be see for diology. Yeah, right, what

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Speaker 2: might be biased? We're doing an investigation. Why are we

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Speaker 2: jumping to conclusion that the man hanging from a tree

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Speaker 2: in Mississippi.

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Speaker 4: In Mississippi, I know, in the climate right now, you

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Speaker 4: hear that, I know.

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Speaker 2: I know. It's the president of the university.

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Speaker 7: His name is Dan Ennis, and he's acknowledged, you know,

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Speaker 7: the emotional historical weight of this imagery surrounding his death. Again,

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Speaker 7: like I said, this is Mississippi, Mississippi burning, right, this

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Speaker 7: is how it starts so it's it's very scary. Congressman

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Speaker 7: Bernie Thompson has called for a federal investigation, citing Mississippi's

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Speaker 7: history with racial violence.

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Speaker 10: I don't.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's we're gonna to keep following this and whatnot.

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Speaker 7: In just hours, again, like I said, there was another man.

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Speaker 7: Just hours after Reed's body was discovered, a thirty five

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Speaker 7: year old white homeless man was also found hanging from

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Speaker 7: a tree in Vicksburg. Police currently see no connection between

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Speaker 7: the two cases. It's one hundred miles away, you know,

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Speaker 7: so I'm not sure. Again, it was just hours later,

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Speaker 7: so I don't know if there was enough time for

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Speaker 7: somebody to get over there, or you know, if they're

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Speaker 7: related in any capacity. But we're going to continue to

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Speaker 7: follow this and keep everybody updated.

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Speaker 9: And I want as ridiculous as it seems, I mean,

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Speaker 9: I guess context of how many, if any hanging by

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Speaker 9: trees happened in Mississippi. I'm not being facetious, but no,

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Speaker 9: I know, oh yeah, there's no connection, and there's this

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Speaker 9: prolific I'm unaware of.

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Speaker 3: Let's dig in.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't heard of a hanging by tree

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Speaker 7: in decades, decades, decades and decades and decades, So listen,

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Speaker 7: stay tuned. We're gonna go over the primary suspect in

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Speaker 7: Madeline McCann's case is getting out of jail. We'll be

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Speaker 7: sharing all the details, and later we're going to be

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Speaker 7: unpacking the Amanda Knox case in a recent scripted series.

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Speaker 2: We're True Crime and Till and listen, a very busy

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Speaker 2: night of headlines tonight. So Madeline McCann, we've all been

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Speaker 2: following this case, let's be honest, for decades. The main

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Speaker 2: suspect has now been released and that's kind of a

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Speaker 2: big deal, so we're going to break down a bit

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Speaker 2: of that. And also later in the show, Dorono Fear,

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Speaker 2: our pop culture expert is here to talk about some

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Speaker 2: very high profile stalking cases, Rebecca Schaeffer specifically. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you guys remember my sister Sam that show,

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Speaker 2: So we'll be digging into that as well, and True

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Speaker 2: Crime and Chill, the twisted tail of Amanda Knox. We're

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Speaker 2: going to be digging into our true crime and Chill,

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Speaker 2: So we're excited to get your opinions. Eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: three one crime and yeah, ladies, where should we begin?

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Speaker 9: Might as well start with Madeline McCann. You know, as

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Speaker 9: you said, she has been on our radar since two

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Speaker 9: thousand and seven. At the time, Madeline was only three

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Speaker 9: years old and she is from the UK. She was

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Speaker 9: with her family vacationing in Portugal and her parents were

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Speaker 9: having a dinner really nearby their sort of holiday apartment

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Speaker 9: that they had set up and continually going back to

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Speaker 9: check on the kids.

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Speaker 3: She then went missing.

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Speaker 9: And then just recently, Christian Bruckner, who has been the

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Speaker 9: primary suspect in the disappearance of Madeline McCann, he's been

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Speaker 9: released from prison. This happened in Germany. It happened under

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Speaker 9: strict probationary conditions. And yeah, he was driven discreetly way

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Speaker 9: from prison by his attorney under a late police escort.

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Speaker 2: And he was in prison for assaulting an elderly woman, right.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So he was in prison for a two thousand

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Speaker 9: and five rape of a seventy two year old American woman.

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Speaker 9: And this crime also happened in Portugal, right.

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Speaker 7: And remember just pretty recently, just a few months ago,

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Speaker 7: the Portugal police, the country, the police started searching areas

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Speaker 7: that he had been staying in. Remember that in the

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Speaker 7: German the police were assisting in these searches. So they

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Speaker 7: didn't find anything. But if you remember, quite some time ago,

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Speaker 7: his home in Germany was searched and they found like

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Speaker 7: a stash of hard drives and thumb drives and things

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Speaker 7: like that with a bunch of really inappropriate images on them, remember,

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Speaker 7: And they found a little.

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Speaker 2: Bathing, little little strange little girl's clothing like baby suits,

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Speaker 2: I think if I'm remembering correctly, which was all a

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Speaker 2: little bit daunting, right.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So that was all around the rescuoir of his house,

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Speaker 9: and as you said, it was international search is However,

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Speaker 9: he's never been formally charged. There's been insuffesion evidence despite

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Speaker 9: small girls, bathing suits and other insanity.

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Speaker 2: There has him living in the area at the time.

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Speaker 7: Right, There's many circumstantial things, circumstantial stuff, right right.

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Speaker 2: And there was child pornography. I think we're dancing around it.

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Speaker 2: Am I saying that? Am I overstating? I think it

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Speaker 2: was child pornography?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 9: So this man, he's going to be under five years

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Speaker 9: of probationary supervision. That means he's going to be wearing

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Speaker 9: an electronic ankle monitor, and the Germans will keep him

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Speaker 9: in their line of vision.

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Speaker 7: Wow, well, we're going to keep an eye on this

661
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 7: because that case needs solved. I mean, it's been so long,

662
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 7: and I mean I feel terrible for the parents. They

663
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 7: were really put through the ringer.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean there's still through the ringer because you

665
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: can never really rest. I would imagine if your child's

666
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 2: you know, death is not solved, or you know, there's

667
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: no real clarity ever given. Yeah, it's a daunting, horrible thing.

668
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: I feel like every story we're talking about involves young

669
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Speaker 2: little children and some level of pedophilia, which is you know,

670
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Speaker 2: which is just upsetting.

671
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Speaker 7: So I guess he's also going to be back though

672
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 7: in front of the judge in October. He apparently allegedly

673
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Speaker 7: insulted a prison staff member and while on appeal and

674
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Speaker 7: it remains pending on his acquittal for unrelated sexual offenses

675
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Speaker 7: in Portugal. I think I said Germany earlier, but it

676
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 7: was in Portugal, his home in Portugal where all these

677
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 7: hard drives and when how we're found. So he's going

678
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 7: to be back in court in October. Well, I mean,

679
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Speaker 7: I didn't know what's insulting a prison official was a

680
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 7: prime I didn't if.

681
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: You're in prison, you should not insult the official.

682
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 7: Well, I mean you shouldn't because you're treating you know,

683
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 7: maybe it would affect how you're treated, But I mean

684
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 7: they do right, Like these are prison guards or you know,

685
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 7: I'm sure they get meat up quite a.

686
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Speaker 2: Bit, right.

687
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: I would ever beat up a prison.

688
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Speaker 7: I didn't know it was a crime. Well maybe in

689
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Speaker 7: Portugal or in Germany.

690
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Speaker 3: It is Germany.

691
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: In Germany, we're gonna have to see, so stay tuned

692
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Speaker 2: for that. We have a talk back. Can we hear

693
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Speaker 2: a talk about.

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Speaker 12: I just wanted to take a minute to thank you

695
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Speaker 12: to you for how they welcome students back today. My

696
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 12: son was so anxious last night before school, but he

697
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 12: came home saying how safe and cared for he felt today.

698
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 12: He noticed highway patrol officers on campus and boos with

699
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Speaker 12: things like free produce from me the greenhouse and even

700
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Speaker 12: three hugs from fellow students. The kindness TV show today

701
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Speaker 12: makes my mom heart so proud.

702
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Speaker 3: Oh thank you you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so on cause you couldn't hear that super clearly

704
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: because that sounded a little mumbled on my side, But essentially.

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Speaker 3: This is a mom of a student. I get a

706
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Speaker 3: little choked up.

707
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: I know, I'm a little just got like we all

708
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: just got a little choked up. Whose child returned to

709
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: school after you know obviously what we've all been, you know,

710
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: really from the killing of Charlie Kirk at the university.

711
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: So again, these kids have witnessed far too much and

712
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: the healing from the trauma that they have experienced is

713
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: legit so very big day to day.

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Speaker 7: She said, and again, in case you couldn't hear her,

715
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Speaker 7: she said that there were people offering free hugs.

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00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet.

717
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 7: Honestly, so sweet. I could really use I'm serious, I

718
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 7: get up in here.

719
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Speaker 4: We could use it right now.

720
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Speaker 3: I love anxiety.

721
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Speaker 7: I'm sure I speak. I'm sure I'm not alone. But

722
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 7: my anxiety has been awful since I returned from vacation.

723
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Speaker 7: And I mean I've been nauseous every day, every single day,

724
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Speaker 7: and so I'm mean I can't and I wasn't it,

725
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 7: I wasn't even there, So I can't imagine, you know,

726
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 7: how these students must feel.

727
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Speaker 2: And I just think it's really nice at the school.

728
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Speaker 7: I just I just I congratulations to that that the

729
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 7: you know, that university.

730
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Speaker 2: That's pretty who's done such a great job and also

731
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Speaker 2: collectively listen, all of us and you know, hopefully not

732
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: all of us, but so many of us collectively have

733
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: witnessed seeing murder. You know, we've seen too much, right,

734
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: so of course we're all feeling on edge. It's incredibly

735
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Speaker 2: appropriate and I think it's a level of tension that

736
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Speaker 2: we just haven't witnessed to this degree before. And I

737
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: think you know, some free hugs are do for all. Oh,

738
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Speaker 2: no doubt, no doubt. Wow. I just that just really

739
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: touched my heart. This is true crime tonight and my

740
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: Heart Radio. We're talking true crime all the time.

741
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Speaker 7: I'm body moved and I'm here with Courtney and Stephanie

742
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 7: and taha wo, taha welcome. If you have anything you

743
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 7: want to say, give us a call eighty eight thirty

744
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 7: one Crime, or hit us up on the iHeartRadio app

745
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 7: and leave us a little talk back and we're going

746
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 7: to hear another talkback right now.

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Speaker 11: Hi, chikas, I just wanted to leave a quick talkback.

748
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Speaker 11: This is Mary Kay from Cincinnati, Ohio, and I have

749
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Speaker 11: a brother that's actually a furry and I can just

750
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 11: tell you it's like an anthropomorphic thing and it's not

751
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 11: sexual in nature at all.

752
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's important to note. So I think what she's

753
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Speaker 7: referring to is what was engraved on the cartridges in

754
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 7: the rifle that was used to murder Charlie Kirk right

755
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 7: on the casings. It was written or engraved I'm not

756
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 7: sure exactly the right term views, but it said notices bulges.

757
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 7: What's this, right? And it's in relation to a really

758
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 7: old meme. It was like in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen,

759
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 7: and it's kind of like poking fun at like the

760
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 7: furry community. And you know most furries listen. It's anthropomorphized

761
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 7: animal characters. It's like they take on a first sona, right,

762
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 7: it's what it's called the first sona.

763
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Speaker 3: Like they wear furry.

764
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: Outfits, yeah, a little furry costume. It's just as I

765
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: was being a bear for Halloween. It's like dressing up

766
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: like a little bear, right.

767
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 7: And it's you know, they'll usually have like an avatar

768
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 7: that they'll use within their little furry community. It's completely innocent.

769
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 7: There's nothing you know, crazy about it. But this meme

770
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 7: is really old. It's you know, again, it's supposed to

771
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 7: be noticed as bold ooh what's this. That's how it's

772
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 7: supposed to be said, right, not you know how they

773
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 7: said how the governor Utah read it? You know, but

774
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 7: he doesn't know, you know, I mean, how do you

775
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 7: explain this stuff to people like like I think I mentioned, like,

776
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 7: how are we supposed to explain this stuff to people

777
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Lindsay Graham, Like

778
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 7: They're never going to get this stuff right? Even I

779
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 7: have a hard time getting it. And I'm like in

780
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 7: immersed in it, so I understand, and you know, it's

781
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 7: it's complex, right, Are you.

782
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Speaker 2: Saying that's agism? Are you? Are you saying at all?

783
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: I'm listen, I'm fifty A certain age can't understand a meme.

784
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: You have to give everybody a little more credit. Let's

785
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: maybe I do. And it's it's not that they don't

786
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: understand the meme. I just don't know that they're exposed

787
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: to the culture. True, you know what I mean. It's

788
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: not it's not you know, it's not I'm not understanding

789
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: the meme. It's understanding the meaning behind the memes.

790
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: And you can explain anything. I mean. I mean, thank you,

791
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 3: by the way for the talk.

792
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it because I loving that is it

793
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: makes me smile from ear to ear.

794
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

795
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just a you know, it's it.

796
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Speaker 7: And when you read the charging document, it's it's intentional

797
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 7: and it's not you know, any side, it's not any

798
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 7: kind of ideology. According to the charging document, he did

799
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Speaker 7: a patrol, right because he says in the charging document,

800
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Speaker 7: if I hear them say this on Fox News, I'm

801
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 7: going to stroke out or whatever. He might explode whatever

802
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 7: he said. You know, he's it's a troll. It's it's

803
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 7: it's chronically online behavior, I'm telling you.

804
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 9: But also troll is you know that usually that verbiage

805
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 9: is used for what you do online to go after someone,

806
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 9: but you know, taken to this realm when taking human

807
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 9: lives is a form of trolling.

808
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: It's trolling.

809
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Speaker 12: I r L.

810
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Speaker 7: It's trolling in real life in it and you know,

811
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 7: and you used to only troll on the internet, but

812
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 7: trolling has moved off the screen. You troll people in

813
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 7: real life now. And it's terrible, absolutely terrible. Obviously I

814
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 7: don't have to say that. I mean it's awful. You

815
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 7: never go to real life ever.

816
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 9: No, And people can also many of us can also

817
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 9: take it down on the internet as well.

818
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Speaker 2: I agree. I heard the most really great advice. We

819
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: have to be teaching each other and reminding ourselves and

820
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: certainly anyone of a younger age. If you don't like it,

821
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: turn it off.

822
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Speaker 3: We actually have the power.

823
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: It's like we all are feeling so powerless and we

824
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: feel like we don't have control and the world seems

825
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: so scary and big. Hey, guess what if that's bringing

826
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: you anxiety, turn off the TV. If being online it's

827
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: triggering you, put down the computer and put the phone away.

828
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: I mean, we actually have the ability to say no.

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Speaker 7: So you want us to live in like little house

830
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 7: in the prairie land, or I'm gonna read a book

831
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 7: like what I gonna do?

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Speaker 2: I get a kick out of watching my Bravo shows.

833
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: They don't stress me out. I love Instagram. I love

834
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: seeing my buds from high school buy a house or

835
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: have a baby. I think it's like it actually brings

836
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: me joy. If it was triggering me and making me

837
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: sad and depressed and feeling disconnected from the world, guess what,

838
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: I could put that away and maybe do something else.

839
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: What if it's your job, then you should get a

840
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: different job. We should rethink the job. If your job

841
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: is to be a web that is. Honestly, they go

842
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: hand in hand. We suffer with this. I mean, we

843
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: talk about very dark things and we have to get

844
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: tools to manage how we handle hearing this much dark stuff,

845
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: and we talk about this to nauseum, and we all

846
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: have our version of how we manage that emotionally. But

847
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: I do think we all need to be proactive and

848
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: productive about having conversations about not how bad it all is,

849
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: but what can we be doing personally to make it

850
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Speaker 2: better for ourselves, for our families, for our friends, and

851
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: for each other. Period good points, am I on a grandstand?

852
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: I don't mean no, I.

853
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: Think that's a really good point. And the sauce a

854
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, we're all talking about things.

855
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 3: That like, oh, didn't get off the dark Web.

856
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, we're all done this, rabbit holes.

857
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: And the lows.

858
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: This is on the regular Internet, this is not the

859
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: dark Web, off the art Internet. Then if the furry

860
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: is making you that crazy, do you boo if you

861
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: want to dress up in a furry outfit and live

862
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: in an alternate universe, God bless, it has nothing to

863
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: do with me. I could actually not participate, So I know,

864
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm simplifying, but I don't know. I heard it this

865
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: morning and it kind of hit a note.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and you can.

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Speaker 9: I mean, body, I know you said you can't turn

868
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 9: it off, but you actually can. You can read a book.

869
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 9: Anyone can read a book, right exactly. And as you

870
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 9: said when this, you know, this weekend, for example, before

871
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 9: it's time to prep for the show, I deleted all.

872
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: My social media from my phone.

873
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 9: I'm like, you know what now because everything got too

874
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 9: loud in my head.

875
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: And so you can.

876
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Speaker 9: Actually, the world will keep revolving if you're not online.

877
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: Like you came back from your week off and you're like, hey, guys,

878
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: what did I miss?

879
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: How did it I did?

880
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: We We were like because I wasn't working well and

881
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: it's so wonderful, right, so you know, we can all

882
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: look out for each other. But again, you know, there's

883
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: easier start to unpack, easier said than done. But you know,

884
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: food for thought. I would say, food for thought.

885
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: How's that? Well? Listen, make sure you stick with us.

886
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: If you've missed any of the hour, you can of

887
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: course catch it right after as a podcast. It's really

888
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: right after. It's a couple of hours later. But we

889
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: definitely want to keep hearing from you. When we come back,

890
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking to pop culture expert Dorano Fear,

891
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: and don't forget True Crime and Chill. We're discussing Amanda

892
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 2: Knox true Crime tonight.

893
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: Will be right back and listen.

894
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: It's a heavy week, we can all acknowledge it, but

895
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: we have some really interesting stuff coming up. We have

896
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: pop culture expert Dorano Fear. He's going to be sharing

897
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: some of these wild celebrity stalking stories and listen, you know,

898
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: True Crime and Chill. It's happening. It's our Wednesday, the

899
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: Twisted Tail of Amanda NOx. So dare I say? Amanda

900
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: will be with us tomorrow for a full hour. We're

901
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: getting lots of talkbacks and lots of questions, and we're

902
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: just really excited to hear her tell her tale for herself.

903
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: What an inspiring story of survival and resilience. Resilience, what

904
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: a great word, right, Yeah, you know, great humans are

905
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: sometimes built on really tough times, and I have to

906
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: assume she is one of them. And look, we have

907
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: a couple of more headlines to get to body. Where

908
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: do you want to begin?

909
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

910
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 7: Do you guys remember that of course, we remember the

911
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk assassination. We all saw it on you know, unwillingly.

912
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 7: And do you remember the guy who got like like

913
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 7: initially arrested the old man.

914
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, she was confessing to all kinds of stuff.

915
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 7: Well we were curious, I'm like, what happened, right, So

916
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 7: we dug into it today. And his name is George Zinn.

917
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 7: He's a seventy one year old man. He lives in

918
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 7: Utah and he was arrested right after because he was

919
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 7: falsely claiming responsibility for this assassination of Charlie Kirk. And

920
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 7: you know, he caused a lot of confusion and delays

921
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 7: in the immediate aftermath of the shooting at the Utah

922
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 7: Vality University. And apparently it was all intentional. He did

923
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 7: this on purpose. So he approached police officers after the

924
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 7: shooting and he was like yelling, I shot him, now

925
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 7: shoot me, despite having no weapon on him. Right, His

926
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 7: false confession led to his arrest and briefly misled police

927
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 7: in the media about the identity of the shooter. So

928
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 7: later he admitted he made this false claim get this,

929
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 7: you guys to draw attention away from the real shooter.

930
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 7: And he said he wanted to be a martyr. Apparently

931
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 7: he wanted to get shot and die as a martyr.

932
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 7: Like what this guy's saying. But this, get this, this

933
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 7: is this is the clincher. A search of his phone

934
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 7: revealed child sex abuse material. He now faces four counts

935
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 7: of sexual exploitation of a miner. What the heck is

936
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 7: going on?

937
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: He's got some troubles. I get I know that he's

938
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: kind of crisis. What is with the world right now?

939
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm losing my mind here?

940
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: No, I know.

941
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 7: So he was booked into the Utah Honey Jail, also

942
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 7: charged with obstruction of justice, obviously because he interfered with

943
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 7: his investigations. You know, he held up law enforcement for

944
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 7: quite some time. They thought they had the guy. He

945
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 7: confessed to it. What a lunatic, What an odd thing.

946
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 9: Also, so let's assume, which we have every right to,

947
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 9: that there is no connection between this man and the

948
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 9: actual suspect. In that millisecond of chaos in which he

949
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 9: raises his hands and says, I shot him. Now shoot me,

950
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 9: like to have your brain, you know, flick from something

951
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 9: terrible just happened to Oh, I'm gonna claim it. I'm

952
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 9: gonna be a martyr. Get me in this who.

953
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 7: Doesn't like in the splits second he decided I'm going

954
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 7: to use this opportunity.

955
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: It's so bizarre, don't you think, Oh yeah, I think

956
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: it's real bizarre.

957
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: I do. I think it's bizarre.

958
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think there's something there?

959
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: Stuff?

960
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

961
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

962
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: I listen, I don't know, you know, I I'm you

963
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: know again, I'm on the internet and I see a

964
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: lot of the chatter.

965
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 3: I am stuck on two issues.

966
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm stuck with uh Tyler Robinson in his clothing change.

967
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: I know we discussed this last night, but it still

968
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: serves as a hiccup for me, Like where you do

969
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: know where the change of clothes on the rooftop? Because

970
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen the video of him running across

971
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: the roof in black. It appears did he changed there?

972
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: And I think he changed?

973
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: What was the screwdriver for?

974
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: Like?

975
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: Did you really take the gun apart?

976
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 9: Or for this?

977
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: Just the scope?

978
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 7: Like listen, he's I'm not trying to be too you

979
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 7: know what. Everybody's like lining the sites right, you know.

980
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 6: Like.

981
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 7: Because he was a good shot, and I don't listen

982
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 7: if you're a gun person like a right. I have handguns,

983
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 7: but I've never shot a rifle, believe it or not,

984
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 7: and I'm I'm literally assuming it's to adjust the scope.

985
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 7: If I'm wrong, let me know, give us a call.

986
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 7: Eighty eight thirty one Crime. I'd love to hear what

987
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 7: you think the screwdriver was for. I think it was

988
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 7: so just ae scope?

989
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 3: Was it? Detective Jay? Yesterday? I wish we'd had this question.

990
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: Jay has been in my head a little bit, asked

991
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: you too. Honestly, she posed a few questions and I

992
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: have pondered them. Again, these are not my original thoughts.

993
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm just seeing this chatter online and you know, look again,

994
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: we just were talking about it. I think it's really

995
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: traumatic as a country to witness such violence. We've all

996
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: we cannot see it, right, So I think we're all

997
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: kind of healing from the trauma of what we've seen. Again,

998
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: we're a little more conditioned to it because we see

999
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: this stuff so often, but you know, Kit and most

1000
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: people don't, nor should they, So that makes me kind

1001
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: of sad. And then yeah, there's just little pieces of

1002
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 2: it that I find confusing, like this man, for exact ample,

1003
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: just in the instant when the still mayhem was happening,

1004
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: you know why.

1005
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 7: Like he takes he's weird. He's like, has he been

1006
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 7: waiting for this chance? It's just bizarre. It's just bizarre,

1007
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 7: and I'm listen, I'm kind of glad he did. I mean,

1008
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 7: it's terrible that he held up the investigation, but all

1009
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 7: you know, they eventually we got the right guy, we think, right,

1010
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 7: So all's well that, I mean, that's a terrible saying

1011
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 7: for the situation. I shouldn't say that, but he held

1012
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 7: up the investigation.

1013
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 3: It's terrible.

1014
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 7: But if he hadn't had done that, they might not

1015
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 7: have found this information on his phone and he'd be

1016
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 7: out there doing it to other kids maybe.

1017
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

1018
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's so.

1019
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of maybe a hidden blessing. I

1020
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's weird, messy, it's just very very weird.

1021
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, listen, if you have thoughts on this really

1022
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 9: bizarre incident and apparently very bizarre man, give us a

1023
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 9: call eight at eight three one crime. We are true

1024
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 9: Crime tonight and we want to hear from you. Or

1025
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 9: you can always send us a talk back on the

1026
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 9: iHeartRadio app.

1027
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: You just go to the upper right hand corner.

1028
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 9: There's a little microphone you press that, you leave a message,

1029
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 9: and you are on the show. So I wanted to

1030
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 9: move on to Lil Nash, Lil Nas.

1031
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: X, I love Lil Nod.

1032
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: He's been through it, litl Nos had a little totel. Yeah,

1033
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: even to see him in his little tighty whities walking

1034
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 2: down so my heart kind of broke for him. Me too,

1035
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: I do you like him?

1036
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too?

1037
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 9: So last month it was it was an unsettling moment.

1038
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 9: So you know, he's a Grammy winning artist, and he

1039
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 9: was arrested last month August twenty first. This happened in

1040
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 9: Los Angeles after he was allegedly walking naked and public

1041
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 9: and engaging in a violent altercation with police officers. He's

1042
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 9: facing four felony charges and including three counts of battery

1043
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 9: on law enforcement. But speaking of as you were saying, body,

1044
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 9: try and find a silver lining, he is now receiving

1045
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 9: treatment out of state while his legal process continues.

1046
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 7: So I hope he gets better, you know, I hope

1047
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 7: he successfully goes through treatment and he gets better.

1048
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 9: That's right, So you know, whatever he is going through personally,

1049
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 9: Little Nas has not personally commented on real recent developments,

1050
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 9: but he previously did share that the incident itself of

1051
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 9: when he was walking around in his underpants was terrifying.

1052
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 9: His next court hearing is scheduled for two months from

1053
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 9: now November eighteenth, and again he will be in an

1054
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 9: impatient treatment facility out of state. The judge, I'm really

1055
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 9: thankful to hear modified the conditions of his release.

1056
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: A lot, allowing him to remain out of state.

1057
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly, and then further discussions will evolve if his

1058
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 9: status changes to outpatient. But you know, if help is needed,

1059
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 9: let help be given. Yeah, and okay, there we go.

1060
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 7: Do you guys remember I have another one kind of

1061
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 7: in the same vein, Well not really, it's another celebrity

1062
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 7: since we're since we're kind of in this vein, right,

1063
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 7: do you guys remember when Beyonce got her car broken

1064
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 7: into or a choreo the choreographer, the choreographers car broke.

1065
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 3: On the back seat?

1066
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: Yes, unreleased fresh music, right and like that's a lot

1067
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: of money right on a thumb drive apparently?

1068
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 3: Yes.

1069
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Well, uh, he's been.

1070
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Speaker 7: On July eighth, just before Beyonce's cowboy Carter to stop

1071
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 7: in Atlanta, choreographer Christopher Grant and a dancer had their

1072
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 7: wrangler the their jeep wagon air broken into, resulting in

1073
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 7: that the laptops, does I items and a flash dry

1074
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 7: containing unreleased Beyonce music. I mean, this is a lot

1075
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 7: of money on this thumb drive right well. Kevin Evans

1076
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 7: was arrested on September sixteenth in Hatefield, Georgia for parle

1077
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 7: violation and booked into one kind of entering an automobile

1078
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 7: with intent to commit theft. So they got him, they

1079
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 7: got him. Wow, Yeah, very interesting. So he is suspected

1080
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 7: of sealing those slash drives, the concert setlist and show

1081
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 7: footage from the car.

1082
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: None of the hard drives have been recovered. They can't

1083
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: find them, so maybe he sold them. Well we don't

1084
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: know yet. We're gonna find out. But they can't find

1085
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: any of the digital information that he stole. So her

1086
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: music is still out there, unreleased music.

1087
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: And the tour plans and.

1088
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 7: The tour plans, but I don't think I mean to me,

1089
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 7: the tour plans don't seem like you know that big.

1090
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that big of deal. Maybe

1091
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Speaker 2: this is I'm not in the industry. I have no idea,

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00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: But like the unreleased music.

1093
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: That's huge. That's huge, But I disagree.

1094
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 9: I think that the tour plans also, it would I

1095
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 9: have to imagine that it would have been hundreds of

1096
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 9: thousands of dollars of artistic director's time. Like how detailed

1097
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 9: are these plans, We don't know, but if it involves

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00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 9: lighters or you know, lighting direction or any choreography or

1099
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 9: any oh's assuming I mean, maybe really beyond hundreds of

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00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 9: thousands of dollars.

1101
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 7: I just kind of assumed that when they say tour

1102
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 7: plans that it's like already she's already been on tour,

1103
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 7: and she's already done those things, so they're already known.

1104
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 7: That's kind of what my assumption is. So I guess

1105
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 7: I didn't really think that was kind of that big

1106
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 7: of a deal. But like the costumes and in designer

1107
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 7: clothing and some you know, the laptops and all that,

1108
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 7: you know, those have monetary values, But like the tour plans,

1109
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 7: I didn't think, you know.

1110
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: Are you in the industry, call me, let me know.

1111
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: Eight eighty thirty one crime. But I really just didn't

1112
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: think it was that important of the tour plans. But

1113
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: maybe it is. They have found him, so it's all

1114
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: stole up in the air. I want to know what's

1115
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: doing with Diddy? What I was doing with Diddy? Well,

1116
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: you're a ditty girl's right around the corner, no.

1117
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 5: Bend.

1118
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: So what's going to happen? Do you think sentencing? He's

1119
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: told that he's really hopeful that some of his former

1120
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: escorts will be at sentencing and kind of helping along

1121
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: the sentencing process, really like in support of him, to

1122
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: support him, yes, really just sort of stand in alignment

1123
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: with him. What about the victims? I think that we've

1124
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: heard that we don't care about victims when you've gotten

1125
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: the note, body, come on listen, I'm already having anxiety.

1126
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 3: Don't say I'm hitting I'm kidding.

1127
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: Of course they do, and they certainly do here, But no,

1128
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: I think there's any victims coming forward. There was a

1129
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: lot of chatter that that was going to get moved up.

1130
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: I thought to September twenty seventh, but it doesn't appear

1131
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: that's the case. It seems October third. Is it seriously

1132
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: almost October?

1133
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: Yes, we're more than halfway through.

1134
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 7: It's so hard because it's still one hundred degrees where

1135
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 7: I live, so it's still so hard for me to understand,

1136
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 7: like realize that, yeah, Halloween's on the way, Like, yeah,

1137
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 7: I signed.

1138
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: A check and I wrote April. So there were times

1139
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: in my messy head yeah I wrote Cheapril. Yeah who

1140
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: writes checks? But who even has a check book? Yeah

1141
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: it's me in nineteen eighty one. But yeah, wow, wild times.

1142
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: So October third, are we going to be Maybe we

1143
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: could get our friend on oh inter City to pass

1144
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: ookline and Synker into that one. I mean there's a

1145
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: lot of things happening in relation to that. I mean,

1146
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: obviously Diddy's been very quiet, so there's been some time

1147
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: and some space for his team to recalibrate and to

1148
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: sort of figure out what next steps will be. Like,

1149
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: it appears that it's possible he would walk very soon thereafter,

1150
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: and that time served would sort of that's what's going

1151
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: to happen.

1152
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's possible. I think I wouldn't be gigantically surprised either.

1153
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's not what happens, should we take

1154
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: a bet?

1155
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1156
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like we're all the same thing. Yeah, maybe

1157
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: I think we're each other. Yeah, like we need what

1158
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: do you guys think? Do you think he's gonna walk?

1159
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear that he's probably gonna walk.

1160
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: He's been probably on his best behavior, hanging out with

1161
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: you know whoever he hangs out with, Luigi et cetera

1162
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: at you know jail and Sam Altman his uh, you know,

1163
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: good old roommates and and yeah, and don't forget you know,

1164
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: alex Acosta. And the Epstein case is in front of

1165
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: the House Committee on Friday.

1166
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: Really, so that will be telling you.

1167
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: Is well, are they gonna be talking to him about Florida? Yes,

1168
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: They're going to specifically be speaking to him allegedly, allegedly

1169
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: allegedly about why Epstein got such a cushy deal when

1170
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: he was originally charged and pled guilty to sex trafficking

1171
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: charges involving a minor back in two thousand and seven,

1172
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and why he was allowed to

1173
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: leave his jail unlike any other prisoner or any other

1174
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: pedophile or sex offender.

1175
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: Why him Why could he go home?

1176
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: Apparently because there's no victims and he never trafted anybody

1177
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: to anyone, probably that's probably the truth of it. And

1178
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: why was there a cushy deal? And maybe more significantly,

1179
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: why was there a deal struck so that any co

1180
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: conspirators could not be charged in the future. And by

1181
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 2: the way, even why would you have to have that

1182
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: if you if you had co conspirators, doesn't that in

1183
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 2: and of itself suggest that there was something to conspire over? Right?

1184
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 7: But I mean we just yesterday in front of Congress

1185
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 7: we learned that there were no no, he didn't traffic

1186
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 7: anybody to anybody.

1187
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, only know himself, apparently only to himself. And I

1188
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: guess that Maxwell getting transferred to a low security prison

1189
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: just two days after, you know, speaking out was maybe

1190
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: interesting timing.

1191
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, that even.

1192
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: Our FBI director who says there's nothing there is saying

1193
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: he actually hasn't spoken about there. So we're coming back,

1194
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Dorono Fear, stay.

1195
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: With us to crime tonight.

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01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: Now a very favorite pop culture expert, Dorno Fear, is

1197
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: here in the house.

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 5: Hi, Doron, Hello, Hello.

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01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: So we're just, yeah, we're trying to make a little

1200
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: sense of all all of this world. So I think

1201
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: something productive is to think about some of the cases

1202
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: of yesteryear that we can glean some good info from,

1203
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: giving us sort of a Hollywood celebrity spin.

1204
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 3: You're going to bring us some of these.

1205
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: Cases that you know, we haven't talked about in a while,

1206
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: like Rebecca Schaeffer, for example, et cetera.

1207
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 3: So where would you like to begin, Well.

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01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I just think that when dealing with the

1209
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 6: concept of Hollywood, you know, and fame, and whether that

1210
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 6: fame is television, film, or music, or in our current day,

1211
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 6: which would be anybody on social media that becomes influencers,

1212
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,959
Speaker 6: whatever that is, there's a dark side. And that dark

1213
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 6: side is that you are putting yourself out there, regardless

1214
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 6: of the fame of whether it's actually you or a

1215
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 6: character you portray, and it attracts stalkers. And you know,

1216
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 6: they used to say this kind of inside joke where

1217
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 6: it's like, if you don't have a stalker, you're not famous.

1218
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 5: But that is a really dark and morbid point of

1219
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 5: view of this.

1220
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 6: And you know, I first, as somebody who's always been

1221
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 6: a pop culture fan, I the first time it really

1222
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 6: kind of dawned on me that there are people lurking

1223
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 6: in the shadows was the case of Rebecca Schaeffer. And

1224
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 6: for those that don't know this, you know, let's go

1225
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 6: back to nineteen eighty nine. It was Scrunchies, It's Gottley Girls.

1226
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 6: It was a time of amazing music and small culture.

1227
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 6: And Rebecca Schaeffer was a young Hollywood starlett she was

1228
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 6: America's sweetheart. People Forrest fell in love with her when

1229
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 6: she was on One Life to Live, which was a

1230
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 6: daytime so and I remember that That's exactly how I

1231
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 6: first was introduced to her, because my mom used to

1232
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 6: watch One Life to Live and I used to watch

1233
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 6: it with her, and there was this pretty, curly haired,

1234
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 6: you know, snow white looking girl. And then she got

1235
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 6: her big break by being on a monster sitcom and

1236
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 6: it was called My Sister Sam and it starred Pam

1237
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 6: Daber on it, who was from Morgan Mindy fame, and

1238
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 6: she played sort of this adopted in.

1239
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 5: Order correct by her aunt.

1240
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 6: So it was two young women, you know, living life

1241
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 6: in Hollywood.

1242
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 5: Right now.

1243
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 6: Being that she was America's sweetheart, she got the attention,

1244
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 6: unfortunately of a guy named Robert John Bardo, and Robert

1245
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 6: John Bardo became delusionally obsessed with her, and he followed

1246
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 6: the footsteps of a different stalker from just a few

1247
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 6: years prior. So I'm going to pause on Rebecca Schaeffer

1248
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 6: and take you to the root of this. In nineteen

1249
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 6: eighty two, a beautiful actress named Teresa Saldana, And for

1250
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 6: those of you that don't know who she was, she

1251
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 6: starred in Raging Bull and on a television series called

1252
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 6: The Commission, and she had been being stalked. And this

1253
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 6: was one of the first real stalking cases where a

1254
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 6: deranged fan was writing letters and tracking her down. And

1255
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 6: this is a time before you know, social media, where

1256
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 6: it was so easy to find somebody.

1257
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so hard now I means so easy.

1258
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: Now I should see so easy and it's hard.

1259
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're talking.

1260
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 6: March fifteen, nineteen eighty two, poor Teresa Saldana was coming

1261
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 6: home after jogging to her West Hollywood apartment in Los Angeles, California,

1262
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 6: and she was attacked by Arthur Richard Jackson. He was

1263
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 6: a Scottish drifter and he became obsessed with her after

1264
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 6: seeing her on screen and he loved her in Raging Bull.

1265
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 6: He stabbed her ten times in front of her West

1266
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 6: Hollywood apartment and the only reason she survives was because

1267
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 6: a water delivery man, a sparklets man and for those

1268
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 6: of you on the West Coast, you know we all

1269
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 6: love that sparklesschool fresh water. He had tackled him he

1270
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 6: jumped out of his van and tackled him and pulled

1271
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 6: her off of him in a bloody rage. And she

1272
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 6: survived that, and the delivery man was heroically and created

1273
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 6: a hero that man. Arthur Richard Jackson served fourteen years

1274
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 6: and was later deported back to the UK. He was

1275
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 6: like a Scottish drifter.

1276
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 5: And a homeless man.

1277
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 6: But that was the first time Hollywood had ever seen

1278
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 6: anything like it before, and the warning shots fell silent.

1279
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 6: And that is where I bring but go back to

1280
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 6: Rebecca Schaeffer.

1281
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 5: In eighty nine because it was a it was a mimic.

1282
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 6: So John Bardow tracked down Rebecca Schaeffer using the same

1283
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 6: methods that Arthur Richard Jackson did, which was this Richard

1284
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 6: Jackson paid fifty dollars to a private investigator claiming that

1285
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 6: he had been hit by a vehicle, using her license

1286
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 6: plate as a way of finding out her home address.

1287
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 6: And that's how he found Teresa Saldana. And that's exactly

1288
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 6: the way that John Barco.

1289
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: Schaeffer so deron. That is amazing.

1290
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,959
Speaker 9: I had never heard that story, and I'd yeah, I'd

1291
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 9: never heard that before. So was Rebecca Schaeffer's had he

1292
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 9: had this plan being concocted for quite a while.

1293
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 6: Yes, he obsessed on Rebecca Schaeffer and he believed that

1294
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 6: he was in a relationship with her. And then she

1295
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 6: starred in a I think a made for TV movie

1296
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 6: called The Class Struggle in Beverly Hills, the and sort

1297
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 6: of caf where she ended up in bed with a

1298
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 6: man because you know, she really was in her twenties,

1299
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 6: but she always played a much younger role in My

1300
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 6: Sister Sam and he became so outraged by the visual

1301
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 6: of her in.

1302
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 5: A bed with another man. Oh my god, really he

1303
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 5: decided to kill her.

1304
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: Wow, Well this is true, Grampton. And on our Heart Radio,

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Stephanie and Courtney Allison. We're joined by

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Speaker 2: Doronto Field and he's giving this incredible story of what

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Speaker 2: happened to Rebecca Schaeffer and I am on the edge

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Speaker 2: of my seat drown please continue. Yeah, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Schaeffer too. This was also at a time that

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Speaker 2: celebrities at that time kind of lived in the wild, right,

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Speaker 2: like you could we know where Rebecca Schaeffer lived at

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Speaker 2: the time of her murder, for example, and it's just

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Speaker 2: a regular street like you could access it.

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Speaker 3: So easily.

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Speaker 2: And these are the kinds of stories that have made

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Speaker 2: celebrities have to put themselves behind gates and hedges and

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Speaker 2: have security and and and and which is also kind

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Speaker 2: of and drivers and drivers and weapons, you know.

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Speaker 5: But you know, it's also a failure.

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Speaker 6: It's a failure of law enforcement on this situation because Bardo,

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Speaker 6: first of all, after the Teresa.

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Speaker 5: Saldono, there was an outs al Dona, there was.

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Speaker 6: An outrage about protecting the privacy of people, and her

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 6: stalker so easily got her home address, and it was

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Speaker 6: eerily similar because he attacked her out front. The difference

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Speaker 6: with John Bartow is that he actually went and knocked

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Speaker 6: on Rebecca Shaffer's door earlier on the same day, and

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Speaker 6: when she opened the door, he basically came with flowers

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Speaker 6: and she said, oh my god, thank you. She was

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Speaker 6: flattered by it, and she said, you know, I, you know,

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Speaker 6: please please contact you know, send my agent and I'll

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Speaker 6: send you sort of assigned photo.

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Speaker 5: And that was common back then.

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Speaker 6: You would send letters to celebrities and they would send

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Speaker 6: you a signed photo. And the problem with John Barto

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Speaker 6: is that he was suffered from something called delusional intimacy,

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Speaker 6: which is basically when a stranger becomes obsessed and delusional

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 6: about the relationship that they have with their obsessed their

1339
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 6: obsession and Rebecca Schaeffer. An hour after that happened, he

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 6: came back and he rang the doorbell, and she opened

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01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 6: the door once again, thinking she was receiving a script,

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Speaker 6: and he shot her point blank in the chest and

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Speaker 6: killed her. And that became front page news all over

1344
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Speaker 6: the United States, and she was.

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01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 5: At the time literally America's sweetheart.

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 6: It was the same example of almost at the time

1347
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 6: of ET where Drew Barrymore was America's Sweetheart, but Drew

1348
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 6: Barrymore was a much younger version and the innocence was

1349
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 6: then shattered. That was the first time ever in the

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Speaker 6: United States that California actually stepped up and created stalking

1351
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 6: laws anti stocking laws, So by nineteen ninety it reshaped

1352
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 6: the privacy protections around DMV records and the public access

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 6: to addresses up until that time, which is why today

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 6: you cannot just get someone's address based on a license

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,959
Speaker 6: plate or a name, and it's protected by law enforcement.

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Speaker 6: And that's really the only main law.

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Speaker 5: That became feral.

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Speaker 2: That's not true though, right like you can find out

1359
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: information on people. There's so many data brookers, but not that.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know how we can can protect

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01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: ourselves that way because it is pretty easy to find

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Speaker 2: those addresses. We could do that, Stephanie. Would we do

1363
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Speaker 2: like a segment on how to scrub your information? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: from those data brookers? Can we do that next week?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really could productive thing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean Tokyo, you can find you really can

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Speaker 9: find verify you see.

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Speaker 6: Well, I can tell you, I can tell you, unfortunately

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01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 6: that it's very difficult to do that in today's day

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Speaker 6: and age, simply because we give away all of our

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 6: privacy rights the second you sign up to any social

1372
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 6: media company, the second you have a credit card, the

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 6: second you use in ATM, and phone records, electrical records,

1374
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 6: leasing in in, it all becomes a public record. So

1375
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 6: even data brokers that promise to erase you for a

1376
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,440
Speaker 6: monthly fee, they'll do it constantly, but they're constantly repopulated,

1377
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 6: so it becomes part of your budget, unfortunately, monthly, and

1378
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 6: that's just try and stay anonymous. And even then it's

1379
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 6: only secondary. And that is really sort of the tragedy

1380
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 6: when it comes to losing privacy in our privacy in

1381
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 6: our lack of privacy world.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I mean by fame can happen at

1383
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 5: any time.

1384
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 6: You can become famous for, you know, being funny on

1385
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 6: the internet.

1386
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,440
Speaker 5: You can become famous for creating being pranked.

1387
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 6: Like unbeknownst to you, your roommate, like you know, does

1388
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 6: a funny scare Brank and then suddenly you're all over

1389
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 6: the internet and somebody sees you, obsesses over you, makes

1390
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 6: delusional fantasies about you, and then shows up at your house. Right,

1391
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 6: And I can tell you that it has happened repeatedly,

1392
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 6: and I use celebrity angle as you know the reason,

1393
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 6: and I can go into different variations of stalkers.

1394
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 5: But more on the same line of this, it's Sandra Bullock.

1395
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 6: You would think that an A list actress like Sandra Bullock,

1396
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 6: with all of the money in the world, could protect herself,

1397
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 6: and she was unable to do that.

1398
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 5: And in twenty fourteen, on June eighth, she was.

1399
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 6: Home, she was in bed, and she heard something and

1400
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 6: in a terrified moment of hysterical panic, she leaped out

1401
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 6: of her bed, locked herself in the closet called nine

1402
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 6: one one. And you can actually google and find the

1403
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 6: nine one one tapes and they're horrifying, and she's breathlessly

1404
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 6: in the closet, calling the police and saying that there's

1405
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 6: somebody in her house and there was. And the problem

1406
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 6: with that one is is that she had known about

1407
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 6: Joshua James Corbett, who broke into her home for years

1408
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 6: given sending letters and calling her his wife, and had

1409
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 6: imagined and obsessed about their non existence relationship. The police

1410
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 6: knew about it. She even hired extra security and fortified

1411
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 6: her home. And somehow this man found a way in

1412
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 6: through a sliding glass door that he was able to

1413
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 6: lift off of its frame and enter her home. And

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01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 6: when the police came, they caught him. He didn't realize

1415
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 6: that she was in the closet, by the grace of God.

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01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 6: And this is Sandra Bullock, you know this isn't you know?

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Speaker 2: And and Star Block I know either were Sandy Bullock?

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01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, Sandy Bullock Block I like her in the proposal,

1419
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 6: so you know that. And it's crazy because she even

1420
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 6: couldn't get a.

1421
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 5: Full restraining order on him.

1422
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 6: She didn't know because there was no way to serve

1423
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 6: him because he was doing anything digitally.

1424
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, even serving somebody a restraining work,

1425
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't mean. Also a very complicated thing and not

1426
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 2: very easy to pull off at all, just a PA

1427
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: and all it also could you know, aggravate the person.

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01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't get me started. I can talk about that.

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 3: For ten weeks.

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Speaker 6: She tried, she tried everything, and you know, one of

1431
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 6: the letters that he had sent her was all about

1432
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 6: him being her wife and that her child was his son.

1433
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 6: So she was going into a child in endangerment situation

1434
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 6: that he's threatening my son. And that didn't really help

1435
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 6: in any way in the police either. They just couldn't

1436
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 6: really figure it out. And you know, again he was

1437
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 6: diagnosed with delusional intimacy escalating into an home invasion.

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01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 5: That was what he was charged with.

1439
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 6: He was convicted of stalking and burglary, you know, and

1440
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 6: he was arrested at the scene, but he did receive

1441
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 6: probation and mental health treatment. And in twenty eighteen, during

1442
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 6: a whole other when he was free, by the way,

1443
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 6: a whole other police confrontation, he ended up killing himself

1444
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 6: rather than being arrested again. So you're talking a line

1445
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 6: of violence that escalated throughout and going back to the

1446
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 6: Rebecca Schaeffer case. You know, he is in jail. He

1447
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 6: had two consecutive life sentences, but that was because there

1448
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 6: was no disputing the brutality of the crime that he

1449
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 6: had done to her, and there was multiple witnesses. So

1450
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 6: you know, we are looking at a time when safety

1451
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 6: is paramount and it doesn't matter how wealthy or how

1452
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 6: famous or how connected you are.

1453
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 5: It's unfortunate and it's something.

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 6: That is a price you pay for in a way

1455
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 6: as a trade off when it comes to fame.

1456
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: But even fame, I mean everybody's on social media. There's like,

1457
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 2: you know, many versions of fame, right you're seeing into

1458
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: people's lives. We talk about this quite a bit, but

1459
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,480
Speaker 2: even just being on Instagram or any of these platforms

1460
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 2: and you're you know, you're showing your your home because

1461
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 2: you're so excited you just you know, moved into a

1462
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: new place, or you got maybe a new car, or

1463
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: you're selling brading Christmas with your family around the Christmas tree,

1464
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 2: and there are all of these identifying things in the

1465
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: picture about your house and where you live. And it

1466
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: could make somebody like Brian Coburger who maybe obsesses from

1467
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 2: a distance it might be giving out too much information

1468
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: and we're not even realizing it, right, and it's not

1469
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: and it's.

1470
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 5: And it's in everything. Can you post a picture?

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 6: Do you know that every photo you post on Instagram, Facebook,

1472
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 6: or any social media has metadata on it? And what

1473
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 6: that means is that the photo that you see, all

1474
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 6: you have to do is write click on it, and

1475
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 6: it gives you all the information of the location of

1476
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 6: where that photo was taken. I have time, the date,

1477
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 6: it's geolocated.

1478
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 5: Like so true.

1479
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 7: Well the way when Facebook strips it, thank god, but

1480
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 7: Instagram they did. Instagram just did the stupidest thing. I'm sorry,

1481
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 7: but they just did the stupidest thing. They introduced those maps.

1482
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 7: Have you guys seen this on Instagram? So you have

1483
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 7: to go turn that off. When you upload a photo,

1484
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 7: it has all that information Ron said delocation, But now

1485
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 7: you can go to the maps and see.

1486
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 2: Where all your friends are or the people.

1487
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:29,520
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

1488
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: You have to turn it off.

1489
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 6: Think about it on your own photo stream when you

1490
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 6: look at it on your own computer, and you can

1491
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 6: break it up by location. Every photo you've ever taken

1492
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 6: has a geotag on it.

1493
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like sometimes you'll get those pop ups on

1494
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: your phone like to what he's talking about, and it's like,

1495
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 2: remember your trip to Brazil in twenty nineteen, and it

1496
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: shows you all the photos.

1497
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: That you took.

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 2: That's what it's using. It's using the geolocation.

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Speaker 9: But on Instagram right now, there's a feature where everyone

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01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 9: can see all of their friends. Y.

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what where are saying that, I'll send it

1502
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 3: to you immediately.

1503
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 6: It's basically like so that if you're like out and about,

1504
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 6: you can track your friends at a bar. They're playing

1505
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 6: those kinds of games, and it's a The geolocation became

1506
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 6: super popular on dating apps, especially in the gay community,

1507
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 6: which is where it kind of began. And Grinder, which

1508
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 6: we've heard all sorts of salacious things about this dating app.

1509
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 6: They were the first to really create this app, and

1510
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 6: they've got billions of dollars for that technology, and that's

1511
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 6: why that company is going public. But they lost all

1512
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 6: privacy with that, and that means that you can see,

1513
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 6: you know, who's with you fifteen feet away.

1514
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Speaker 7: Right Well, stick around because we've got more to dig into. Luckily,

1515
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 7: Doron is going to stay with us here and we're

1516
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 7: all going to unpack our true crime and chill. Pick

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Speaker 7: of the week the Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox. Plus

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Speaker 7: we're announcing the next thing we should be watching, keep

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 7: it right here, True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: And listen, we've beginning a joozy of information about Rebecca

1521
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: Schaeffer and just stalking in general. And I think next

1522
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 2: week we'll do a big segment and maybe a real

1523
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: big unpack about certain ways that we can all protect

1524
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,879
Speaker 2: ourselves online and sort of some of the basics, because

1525
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 2: it seems as though the rules are changing real time

1526
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: and there are certain settings that we should all just

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01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: be aware of in our phones, et cetera.

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 3: But listen, I don't.

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 2: Want to overlease switch gears too quickly, deran to do

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01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: anything else in your story that you wanted to share,

1531
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: or should we move on to true crime and chill?

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01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 6: Well, I'm all about the true crime and chill at

1533
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 6: this point because I have chills, and if this is

1534
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 6: a subject that people are more interested in, I'm always

1535
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 6: happy to come back.

1536
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 7: Well, I'm interested. I'd love to have you very interested.

1537
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 7: I'm very interested in this, so good to always.

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01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 3: Have you back. So okay, here we go.

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01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: Let's I feel like we need like a trumpet or

1540
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: some sort of like music cue to introduce this Wednesday

1541
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: Night true crime and chill duding.

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01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 5: I mean, is this like the Italian like a medic song?

1543
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 5: I mean, because we are going into Amanda NOx, right,

1544
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 5: and that.

1545
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 3: We go out here.

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 6: Yes, well, Amanda, that Hulu series is blowing up, and

1547
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 6: it's a fascinating take on it. I don't know if

1548
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 6: you guys have been talking about it.

1549
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 5: That's the doc, right, that's the part, so you know,

1550
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 5: it's funny. I'm all caught up on it.

1551
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 6: I remember when the Amanda Knox thing first started, and

1552
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 6: that was like a two thousand and seven and I

1553
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 6: was like, oh my god. Yeah, And you know, for me,

1554
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 6: as somebody who had studied abroad, it was very telling

1555
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 6: that like, you could go abroad with all the high

1556
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 6: hopes and all the idealism and all of the magic

1557
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 6: of experiencing life from a different point of view, and

1558
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 6: you get to be free in a culture that is

1559
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 6: foreign to you, that lets you grow, only to find

1560
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 6: yourself in a worse situation, whether doing something terrible or

1561
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 6: being accused of doing something terrible, and lose your freedom completely.

1562
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 6: And I think that that's a really terrifying take about

1563
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 6: the Amanda Knox story.

1564
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, for anyone who doesn't remember because this was a

1565
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 9: long time ago. This was again two thousand and seven,

1566
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 9: which you know, eighteen years ago. So Amanda Knox, she

1567
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 9: was an American woman. She was really more of a girl.

1568
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 9: She was nineteen at the time, and she went abroad,

1569
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 9: as Doran suggested, she went to Italy, and she became

1570
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 9: embroiled in a case that a murder case that brought

1571
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 9: international absolute rabid coverage, and it was very complicated. She

1572
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 9: was convicted, she was later.

1573
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 5: Acquitted again, and then acquitted again.

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01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 9: Exactly, and she spent four years in an Italian prison

1575
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 9: before finally definitively being acquitted by Italy's highest court. That

1576
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 9: was ten years ago, in twenty fifteen. And yeah, it

1577
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 9: was into national as I said, attention, and this.

1578
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 3: Poor girl, she was referred to as a.

1579
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 9: Foxy nooxie and as a nineteen year old girl, everything

1580
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 9: about her personal life was exploited. And this happened after

1581
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 9: her roommate, another girl named Meredith Kersher, was murdered in

1582
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 9: Italy in the home that they were sharing together, which

1583
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 9: ultimately led to Amanda Knox and her then boyfriend Raphael

1584
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 9: Solicito their arrest and a very controversial interrogation and an

1585
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 9: unbelievably I guess, just Unamerican, because as you will learn

1586
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 9: when watching the Twister Tail of Amanda Knox, to learn

1587
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 9: about the Italian court is unbelievable.

1588
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, you guys, what.

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01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 6: Well, listen, you know, there's a lot of things about

1590
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 6: this case that can be brought up. First of all,

1591
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 6: this is Shakespearean, It is the Crucible. This any way

1592
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 6: you look at it, whether there is a division on

1593
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 6: people who still till this day believe she was guilty,

1594
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 6: is guilty, and there's still people who believe that she's innocent,

1595
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 6: and though she has been found innocent of all charges

1596
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 6: along with Raphael. The part of the problem that I

1597
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 6: take my takeaway on this is twofold one the media,

1598
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 6: and this is something we're dealing with every single day,

1599
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 6: every time that there's a case that becomes the case

1600
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 6: of the century, is that the media frenzy forces the narrative.

1601
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you guys remember one of

1602
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 6: the times I came on, we talked about the Preppy

1603
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 6: murder trial and how that was the first trial where

1604
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 6: Jennifer Levin, who is a victim, was accused of being

1605
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 6: immoral and that her sexuality was the reason for her death,

1606
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 6: and they publicized that.

1607
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 5: And you're going back again. This is late eighties, early nineties.

1608
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 6: Now flash forward almost you know, thirty years later, and

1609
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 6: Amanda Knox is just a college student and wasn't there

1610
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 6: just you know, backpacking through Europe.

1611
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 5: She was there as a student, and she moved into

1612
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 5: a home with two.

1613
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 6: Italian young girls and another beautiful British student and there

1614
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 6: were four girls sort of living the dream.

1615
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 5: And what ended was the British girl was the one

1616
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 5: who lost her life.

1617
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 6: And because of this small town in Italy and the

1618
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 6: media frenzy that happened globally, I don't know. The question

1619
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 6: is is did the police act inappropriately? Was the evidence

1620
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 6: all tampered with with a rushing to become famous. There

1621
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 6: are numerous documentaries about this. What's fascinating about the current

1622
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 6: scripted version of the Amanda Knox Story on Hulu is

1623
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 6: that it's also executive produced by Amanda Knox herself and

1624
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,879
Speaker 6: Monica Lewinsky. And I think one of the big takeaways

1625
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 6: of that is that both of these women were once

1626
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 6: again sort of crucified for being women and for having

1627
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 6: their own take on relationship and sex and sex. And

1628
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 6: what's fascinating about the Italian element of this is that

1629
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 6: the police detective was very, very, very religious, and he

1630
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 6: immediately labeled her as immoral, and that the girl who

1631
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 6: passed away was virginal, and that it was jealousy among women.

1632
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 6: It had all of the makings of the most salacious

1633
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 6: kind of true crime. You can imagine young pretty American,

1634
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 6: British and Italian girls. A handsome, well off young student

1635
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 6: Italian falls madly in love with the American.

1636
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 5: They go off have a romantic.

1637
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 6: Adventure and then supposedly, allegedly, you know, there is a

1638
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 6: confrontation between the virginal one and in a rage of oddity,

1639
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 6: they murder her.

1640
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 5: That was really their setup.

1641
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 6: And you either believe that she is this sex crazed

1642
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 6: lunatic or that she was basically made to be that way.

1643
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 6: And it is a failure of justice, and it is

1644
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 6: a failure of the media of the way they spun

1645
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 6: that well.

1646
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 3: And it's in her coolarity too.

1647
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: She is innocent. She has been proven innocent. In fact,

1648
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: even the investigator, the detective and the you know, air

1649
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: quotes lawyer. There's a different word for it in Italy.

1650
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: Excuse me, they have.

1651
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 2: She has been vindicated and there is somebody now behind

1652
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: bars paying for that crime.

1653
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 3: But yet we all still don't know that.

1654
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: We all still somehow think it was Amanda.

1655
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 7: It's DNA phone, right, there was DNA, and you know,

1656
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 7: courtneyl said something about this is Mary.

1657
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 6: Your body go on, Yeah, I mean, I mean you

1658
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 6: could break this up into a million different ways. Some

1659
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 6: of the DNA was tampered with, some of it was

1660
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 6: spread out, The scene wasn't kept clean. There was This

1661
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 6: is one of the reasons why the whole world freaked

1662
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 6: out about it. But what was crazy was they weren't

1663
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 6: going after evidence. They were going after judgment.

1664
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: Oh of course it was tunnel vision. It was a

1665
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 2: very sexy story. She was totally tossed away as this young,

1666
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 2: sex crazed young woman, an American woman, no less.

1667
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and imagine her parents.

1668
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: That have to put every dollar they've ever met, ever

1669
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: made on the line to be going to Italy to

1670
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: help get their daughter free. And by the way, they

1671
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: were all dogs with a bone. They were not looking

1672
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: to let Amanda Knox go free. And it's worth noting

1673
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: just like we should just say it very loud because

1674
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: most people don't believe this. Not most people don't believe this.

1675
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: I did not mean that.

1676
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: But until you watch this stuff, I think it's still

1677
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: out there that, oh, maybe she did do it.

1678
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 3: No, no, she did not do it.

1679
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 2: And how do you get beyond that when there's the

1680
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: evidence proving that even the lead investigator and also the

1681
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: legal expert who basically put her behind bars, they're like

1682
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: thickest thieves and best of friends now, and even fee

1683
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 2: is treating her like a daughter.

1684
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 6: You know what's also crazy about this story is that,

1685
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 6: look from I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate for a second,

1686
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 6: when the police had first made their sort of initial judgment,

1687
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 6: which in every case happens, they walk in, they sort of,

1688
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 6: you know, will look at a person and sort of

1689
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 6: make a snap judgment tunnel person. Her behavior was very odd,

1690
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 6: it was, and you know, she was very sort of

1691
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 6: flippant about the fact that they weren't really friends and

1692
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 6: that she'd only known her for a couple of weeks,

1693
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 6: so why should she feel all sorts of sort of emotion.

1694
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 6: But at the same time, this mad romance, this incredibly

1695
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 6: intense love affair that she had with the Italian young

1696
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 6: gentleman had only been going on for four days, So

1697
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 6: there's a little bit of that kind of like well

1698
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 6: is it or isn't it.

1699
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 5: You can or you can't.

1700
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 6: And the other side of this that is very rarely

1701
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 6: talked about is really his story because they supposedly were

1702
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 6: each other's alibi. And then he basically said, well, she

1703
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 6: might have left in the middle of the night, and

1704
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 6: then she in the when she was being spoken, when

1705
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 6: she was trying her testimonial, right like when she was

1706
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 6: first being you know, interviewed and cross examined in the

1707
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 6: police station, the police kept like hammering her and said,

1708
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 6: you know, something horrible to happen.

1709
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 5: You just don't remember.

1710
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: You just they used the read technique on her. They

1711
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 2: interviewed her repeatedly over several days, often overnight, for hours

1712
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 2: at a time, up to fourteen hours straight, with little

1713
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: sleep or food.

1714
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 7: This was intentional. They denied her a translator. It's required

1715
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 7: by Italian law, by the way, And so the read

1716
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 7: technique is highly controversial and court and you had mentioned

1717
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 7: something about this being totally an American and you're right,

1718
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 7: you know, this is Italy, but the red technique is

1719
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 7: incredibly American and it's a very very controversial interview style.

1720
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 2: It's it's basically to force a confession.

1721
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 5: It breaks you down.

1722
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: It breaks you down.

1723
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 5: That's what I mean by a witch trial.

1724
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 6: It's sort of the same thing where they would dunk

1725
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 6: the witches over and over again and say if they

1726
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 6: survived being under water for eight minutes, they were innocent,

1727
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 6: when nobody can it's it's they. And they played this

1728
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 6: game with her consistently, and for me, one of the

1729
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 6: most disturbing parts of this was when she was actually

1730
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 6: you know, held and they started to accuser of a

1731
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 6: moral behavior.

1732
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 5: They actually went and told.

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Speaker 6: Her that they had done blood tests on her upon

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01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 6: you incarcerating her, and that they tested her positive for HIV.

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Speaker 6: And she went on to be in this jail cell

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01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 6: thinking she was dying of a disease that she had

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 6: contracted from someone somewhere, only to find out that they

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01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 6: were lying to her all along, just to break her

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01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 6: down emotionally.

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Speaker 9: And that is one of the many things they get

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01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 9: to learn about through this unbelievable multi part episodic on Hulu,

1742
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 9: The Twisted Tail, which honestly, I got to say I

1743
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 9: did learn so much Stephanie, to your earlier point. I

1744
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 9: really hadn't remembered how this whole thing panned out, and

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01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:48,919
Speaker 9: that Amanda Knox indeed has been found innocent now multiple

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01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 9: times and with finality, and also just the way I

1747
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 9: thought that, the way that this series puts you inside

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01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 9: of Amanda Knox's perspective is done unbelievably.

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01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 3: What did you guys think? So good?

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01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 7: There was a moment in episode one. I'm sorry, Siffany,

1751
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 7: there was a moment in episode one where they find

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01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 7: Meredith in her bedroom, right and everybody speaking Italian and Amanda,

1753
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 7: you know, she she has like a little bit of

1754
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 7: Italian knowledge, but not a lot, and she doesn't know

1755
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 7: what's going on in the room, kind of gets silent

1756
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 7: and it kind of zooms in on her, and it

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01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 7: gives me. I get the chills thinking about it right now,

1758
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 7: because it really put me like how scared she must

1759
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 7: have been in that moment, because I feel like she

1760
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 7: kind of realized, oh my god, I'm in trouble.

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01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 2: It's just very very well, very well shot too, I.

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01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 5: Can remember something.

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01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 6: Keep in mind that she is the executive producer of

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01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 6: this series. This is her story from her mind, from

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01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,480
Speaker 6: her tale through her eyes, So you really are experiencing

1767
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 6: not not you know, a one sided point of view. Sure,

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01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 6: you know, I think that part of the remarkable story

1769
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 6: here is also is the whole discovery of poor Theresa.

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01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 6: Because you know, she had supposedly so Amanda had spent

1771
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 6: the night with her boyfriend. She came home, the door

1772
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 6: was opened. She thought something was awry. She kind of

1773
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 6: surveyed the situation lightly shut the door, was like, oh,

1774
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 6: that's odd, goes in, takes her clothes off, goes into

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01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 6: the bathroom, sees blood in the sink.

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01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 5: It's just like, huh, that's strange, kind of doesn't think

1777
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 5: about it.

1778
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 6: Takes a shower, gets out of the shower, steps on

1779
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 6: a wet bat matt bath mat, sees blood on the

1780
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 6: bath mat, still doesn't really get.

1781
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 5: Weird about it. Goes to the second bathroom to get

1782
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 5: something a hairpet.

1783
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: Get weird about it.

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01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 6: No, she saw feces in the toilet and then got

1785
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 6: weird about it.

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01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,480
Speaker 3: There's so many many details.

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01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 6: That's her sorry, that's from her own testimony and from

1788
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 6: her own point of view.

1789
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 5: We see it in the show, which.

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01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 9: Is which is I mean, this has been one of

1791
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 9: the you know the many multiple things that you will

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01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 9: learn by watching this, which hopefully you all are. And

1793
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 9: actually I believe it's now time quickly to turn to

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01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 9: a talk back.

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01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 13: Hey Fight in Alabama. Love you guys, Love your show.

1796
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 13: You guys were talking about the Dave's Krupa case and

1797
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 13: I don't know if you guys know this or not,

1798
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 13: but there was a documentary.

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01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 9: Done on it.

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01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 13: I believe it's a three part documentary maybe two on Netflix,

1801
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 13: and it's called Lover's Stalker Killer. It's very very good. Thanks,

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01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 13: have a great week.

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01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm in Also, I haven't seen it, and I heard

1804
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 2: it was excellent, so I would love this as our

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01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: next true crime and chill. I am.

1806
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 9: So that's one of my favorite stories from Crazy and

1807
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 9: Love days Like it's just the intricacies and oh.

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01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 5: My gosh, the stalking theme.

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01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, Doron, thank you so very much for joining

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01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 9: us to share those cases and for this week's true

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01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 9: Crime and Chill. Doron, of course, is a partner of

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Speaker 9: La Comic Con, taking place September twenty sixth to the

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01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 9: twenty eighth at the Los Angeles Convention Center, So be

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01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 9: there or be square, and we can't wait to see

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Speaker 9: you Tonight True Crime, Tonight Back Tomorrow, Amanda Knox