WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 180 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.520 Also media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.559 to let you know this is a compilation episode. So 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.320 every episode of the week that just happened is here 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.279 in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.439 you to listen to in a long stretch if you want. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.000 If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.720 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.560 Welcome to it. Could that be here? A podcast where 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.280 the ancient leftist adage there is power logistics has finally 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.520 been realized by one Donald Trump. I am your host, 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.800 Mia Wong, and with me is Gere. How are you doing. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.200 Gear Just another great day in America. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.839 It's great, it's great. There were resting judges. It's a 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:46.400 good time. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:47.680 It's great. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.040 Something that Mia has probably called for before, but under 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:52.240 different circumstances. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.560 Hey, look, have I ever publicly called for the arrest 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:56.040 of the judge? 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:57.080 I'm not sure I have. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.200 Maybe probably not, because like a resting power itself is 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.720 a little bit problem hashtag problematic. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.440 Yeah, I mean this is this is this is a 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.680 car sural solution to this is garrison, Like we kind 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.479 of using carcialism to solve the problems of the cultural system. Sure, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.840 speaking of carceral systems, there is the economy that we're 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.919 all living under, which is also quite literally a cucural system, 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.440 because so much of it is based on prisident and 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.440 slave labor of various kinds across the world. Now I 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.560 have good news and I have bad news about this. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.679 I don't remember what the good news was, so we're 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.360 only getting the bad news, which is that, well, the 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.200 good news and the bad news is that this the 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.160 system that we all grew up on. That the economic 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.920 system that has, you know, supported us our entire lives, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.440 or not supported us for our entire lives. The thing, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.200 you know, the system that encompasses everything we have ever known, 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.480 is fucking dead. It is dead as shit. The economic 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.360 system that existed literally at the end of last year 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.360 does not exist anymore. It is it right now in 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.400 the process of dying. And the thing that is emerging 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.760 has not emerged yet, which means we get to go 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.840 to Gramsy quote where he says, this is the time 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.120 of monsters. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.640 The Chinese century. My favorite whatever Gramsky, how do we 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.840 say this guy's name? Gromski, Gramm gram sheet, see you 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:17.359 fucked up too. Yeah, my favorite gram Sheet quote. We're 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.119 entering the Chinese century. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.200 Look, okay, So here's the thing I I, on a 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.840 fundamental level think that Gramsy is like the harbinger of 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.520 the entire retreat of the twentieth century left. So I 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.240 hate him and therefar if you say his name properly. Also, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.040 we're gonna get into a little bit about white. The 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.160 Chinese century is going to also be a complete shitcho 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:36.720 for them too. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:42.639 But you know, the Canadian century, I don't know. Finally, 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:50.320 the Yugoslavian century with God Emperor Mark Carney in charge, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.320 he will usher in a new era of Canadian progress 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.280 and global supremacy. As climate change worsens, the Canadian economy 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.600 will suck up all of the independency and resources from 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.320 the US in the late twentieth century. And finally, we 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.800 will have a Tim Hortons in every country in the planet. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.440 I'm so excited for us to finally get our first 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.440 war between two countries with Tim Hortons in it. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:19.160 That will be exciting. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.680 So there is a story that we have told on 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.000 the show many many, many, many, many many times, and 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.600 it is the story of the structure of the modern 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.240 world economy, the birth of theoliberalism, the ascendancy of free trade, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.360 the decline of the US as the world's grand manufacturing power, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.840 the collapse of the clower of the global working class, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.760 and the generalized ascension of capitalism, and this specific form 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 of capitalism as the structuring force of the world system. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.960 It is a story of how structural forces and contingent choices, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.000 technological changes in class wears, domestic politics, and grand international 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.240 maneuvers and international relations built a political and economic structure 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.920 that ruled the world for half a century of American hedgem. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.080 And we are going to tell a very very abbreviated 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.920 version of that story for one final time because that 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.080 world the world. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.720 Because you'll probably do this again in two years. But okay, the. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.279 World that we were all born into, that world is 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.200 fucking dead and Donald Trump has killed it. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.520 This is how it died. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:30.800 Garrison. Yes, in the beginning, there was war, sure, in 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.599 the ashes of a continent's read by the flames of fascism. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:39.400 Two army's stood triumphinch over a new world. One of them, unfortunately, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.440 was the United States. The second one, unfortunately was the USSR. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.960 Now it's also worth mentioning that very briefly, both the 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.880 French and the British assumed they would also be like 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:55.880 superpowers and no jokes, washed, failed, failed powers, zero out 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.360 of ten absolute dipshits destroyed. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.320 Oddly enough, Japan walked away with more power than either 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.640 of those countries. Yes, yeah, a little bit, a little 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.679 bit odd considering the conditions that led to this happening. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.520 Well, you know, I mean, but the actual shift here though, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.240 and this is and this is you know, like this 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.440 actually is a lot of what this episode it's about, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.880 is that the thing that World War One or World 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.440 War two did was was one also do this, but 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.479 was fundamentally break the power of the old world empires, right, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.359 because the world had been ruled for several hundred years 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.240 by various combinations of the French, the British, and the Germans. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.840 And you know, this is some extent like Spain, but 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.080 Spain was sort of gone, right, But like those old 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.200 world empires had been what had structured everything in the world, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.000 and at the end of World War Two that suddenly 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.560 wasn't the case anymore. And the product of this was 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.400 that if if you look at the places in the 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.440 world that had the largest remaining industrial reserves, right, you 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.400 know there, I mean, there was obviously some industrial production 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.919 in Latin America, particularly Argentina. There was some like Chinese 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.159 manufacturing belts that were run by Japan in China that 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.360 weren't destroyed. And then there was the entire manufacturing power 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:11.360 of the United States. And this meant that alone among countries, right, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:16.120 the US was in the most dominant position, like one 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.880 of the most positions of great power has ever been. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.960 And even though there technically was a second great power, right, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.240 they had an unbelievable percentage of the world's total manufacturing power. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.359 We had an unhinged percentage of the world's total gold reserves. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.039 We had I mean, I guess, like the second largest 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.440 army in the world, but you know, like we were 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.560 significant the more technologically advanced than the USSR. And this 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.240 had a bunch of extremely weird consequences because there was 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:46.359 really no way for the amount of like concentrated industrial 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.360 power the US had to go but down because we 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.600 controlled so much of the world's wealth and so much 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.719 of the world's manufacturing capacity that the only thing that 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.560 could ever possibly happen was that the rest of the 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.960 world would catch up and this was the thing that 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:01.719 was actually necessary. And this is something that was that 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.520 was spurred on by the American industrial class, right because 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.480 they suddenly had all of these like jeep factories you're 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.000 trying to make cars out of, and they needed people 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:10.640 to buy the cars, and the only way to do 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.360 that was to rebuild Europe and to rebuild Japan in 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.280 order to sort of rebuild these places as markets and 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.560 so for like a very brief time. And this is 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.000 the sort of like golden age that all of these 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.080 Trump people and all of these like weird dipshits like 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.400 harkened back to. Was this like part time of like 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.680 unmatched American power, but also it was it was a 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.000 time in the world economy where you could have multiple 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.000 powers industrializing at the same time without it being zero sum. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.280 And that just was not going to last because at 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.280 a certain point, and this is accelerated by things we've 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.280 talked about in other episodes, like this attempt by a 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.760 bunch of what we're called the non Aligned Movement or 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.880 sort of the G seventy seven, you know, also like 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.800 the Third World Movement, a bunch of these countries that 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.080 were non alliance to like Yugoslavia, India, Pakistan, which you 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.160 can immediately tell how this alliance is going to ship 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.840 because these two countries are like in the same alliance, right, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.320 like you know, this is the Chido's Yugoslavia's in this 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.560 with like Saudi Arabia, these countries sort of like economic 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.920 strategy was to create something that actually is in a 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.000 lot of ways kind of like what Trump is trying 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.760 to do, which is like using their control of resources, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.080 although again the resource of the US has now is 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.080 like moneyasually took all of the fucking world's resources, right, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.040 but using that to develop your own local industrial basis 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.720 so you can have your own local manufacturing economy. And 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.440 this is something that like a lot of countries pursued this, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.120 like Venezuela pursues this, like Bolivia pursues it. This is 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.360 this is something that like everyone like kind of across 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.480 the political spectrum is trying to do in like the 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.079 sitties and seventies and through the eighties. But the thing 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.200 is it's destroyed by the second thing that's sort of 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.560 a model for what these people are trying to do, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.040 which is what Reagan was able to do to the 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.840 American economy. In the sort of nineteen eighties. And what 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.920 Reagan is able to do is Reagan actually does something 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.760 that sounds really bizarre now, but he was actually successfully 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.480 able to temporarily for about maybe like six years, six 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.360 or seven years, was able to actually like dramatically ramp 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.640 up American like like industrial production and like was able 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.000 to do the whole sort of like we're bringing the 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.280 jobs back to the US. But the thing is, the 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.920 way he did this was not the way the Trump 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.320 administration is doing it. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:24.640 Right. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.560 What he did was, on the one hand, he blew 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.680 a smoking crater in the entire world economy. And that 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.520 garrison will sound familiar to you because these people are 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.000 trying to blow a hole in the American economy, right, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:37.679 like you have seen this. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.800 Yes, I have seen the stonks and the trade and 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.679 the shipments, yes I am. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.240 Yeah. But but even like like Elon Musk would like 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.680 deliver like post about this right like very deliberately about 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.200 how he wants to destroy the economy so that there 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.640 could be like a oh yeah, brief economic hardship and 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:53.680 that a golden age, right. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.640 Necessary hardship will have to endure for a short period 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.640 of time to then reach the like Utopia, which surely 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:01.440 around the corner. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.800 Yeah, And it's interesting because when when when serious people 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.280 have to defend this, like Fox Okay, I say serious people, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.439 I'm taking this and I'm saying Fox News because like 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.000 Sevi serious, Look look here's. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.160 A serious clouds. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.440 Yeah, I don't have to defend this, right, Like, Okay, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.319 you know we're not dealing with like you know, we're 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.480 not dealing with like intellectual titans here. But like when 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.400 someone who is mildly more intelligent than Elon Musk has 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.400 to defend this, it is Reagan, they point you, because 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.800 Reagan and Carter was also had a hand in this. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.800 But Reagan does this thing called the Volker shock, right, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.480 like working working hand in hand with Paul Volker's the 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.439 head of the Federal Reserve, which, notably, Trump just spent 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.320 a bunch of time threatening to fire the head of 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.080 the Federal Reserve and then had to back off on 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:41.960 that because all of the markets were like, this is 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.280 our fucking rubicon, Like we don't give a funck about 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:45.400 any of the other thing. Well, I we kind of 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.520 give a fuck up the other things you be doing, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.920 but like if you fire the head of the Federal reserve, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.959 like we're going ape shit. But like you know, the 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.240 the FED and Reagan work together in order to do 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.400 this thing, which is the jack interest rates to just 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.640 like unhinged levels, causing everyone else's debt in the world 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.960 to become like unbelievably unsustainable to repay. This like annihilates 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.720 boast of the world's economies. This also creates like a 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.160 double dip recession where the US has like almost twenty 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.000 percent unemployment. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:15.839 But he's able to. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:20.199 Write this out specifically because like this thing actually benefits 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.839 a bunch of sections of the American capitalist class. Like 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.880 if you are someone who holds debt, right, this is 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.400 fucking great for you. And this is something very different 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.160 from what's happening right now because nobody is winning the 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:35.200 trade war, Like everyone is just having the very worst 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:35.960 time I've ever had. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.880 It does seem like a globe of losers. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.640 Yeah, But the thing that Reagan does that actually allowed 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.760 him to temporarily restore the profitability of a lot of 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.720 American manufacturing. And there is still a lot of American manufacturing. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.720 We'll get to that in a bit. But the thing 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.680 he was able to do was the thing that Garrison 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.720 I was threatening at the beginning of the show. By 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.680 the time I am done doing this, pot like maybe 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.840 not this podcast, but I finish doing it could happen 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.400 here when I like die on the battlefield in fifteen years, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.960 everyone will be able to fucking explain the Plaza Chords 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.440 and the reverse Plaza Chords because they're they're the central 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.720 thing that got us to this alt to this fucking place, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.480 which is that Ronald Reagan goes to Japan and goes 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.199 to like West Germany, and the subtext of what he's 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:24.000 saying is like you are American military protectorates and because 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.760 you are American build or Japan by the way, it's 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.760 like the great industrial power of the nineteen eighties right 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.120 and through the nineties, Like they are like the defining 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.880 like they are the thing that everyone thinks about China today. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.040 Like if you want to find every argument people make 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.440 about China from the entire political spectrum, like all the 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.440 way from like people in the one hands going like 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.520 this is they're gonna destroy American hegemony to people on 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.240 the other hand being like this is what socialism is, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.360 you can find all of those same arguments people made 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.160 about Japan in like the eighties but you know, what 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.520 Reagan forces these countries to do is to increase the 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.240 value of their currency relative to the dollar. Right, So 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.480 the dollar is suddenly worthless, and because the dollar is 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.040 like worthless relative to other international currencies, it makes US 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:06.960 manufacturer more competitive. And this like temporarily restores American techleological production, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.920 but then they have to reverse them because that nukes 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.320 the entire Japanese economy, and the Japanese economy becomes an 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.600 entire thing of real estate speculation, which you know, I Gars, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.200 I know you may be too young to remember what 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.400 happened the last time that we based the. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.439 Entire economy of speculation. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.720 But that's not true. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.840 You're like a few days older than me. Come on, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.000 that's unbelievably not sure. I am over half a decade 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.800 older than you. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:32.000 Is that real? 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:32.199 No? 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.560 Yeah, real, Yeah, we'll talk about this afterwards. I don't 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.480 I don't think that's true. Let me pull up my 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:44.200 mea wong docs file to check once, all. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.320 Right, while Garrison checks to be a wog docs file. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.360 The economy that is built up from all of us, though, right, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.960 is an economy based on a few different things. One, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.680 it's based on an entire network of global supply chains 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:59.079 with you know, like very very minimal tariff barriers between them. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:13:59.319 Right. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.800 It is based on the sort of doctrine of free trade, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.000 which is you know, not really free, but obviously like 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.720 the ways that these were written structurally benefited the US, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.480 right where like the US is allowed to do all 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.560 of this shit for like its corn production that nowhere 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:14.920 the country is allowed to do. Like all of the 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.040 market tampering that all these people scream about is just 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.400 what the US does with corn. But you know, the 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.680 entire canoxicism was based on being able to cheaply produce 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.520 different components of goods in different countries, assemble them, and 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.560 then move them across the world cheaply in order to 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.480 sort of avoid the localized power of workers movements. It 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.920 is based on the US running a series of bubble economies, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.840 so the tech bubble, the housing bubbles, heata, et cetera. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.640 And it is based on the US dollar and the 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.440 bond as like the fundamental aspects of the like as 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.200 the world reserve currency, the fundamental thing that drives the system. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.360 And when we come back, we will talk about this 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.960 literally all exploding and what it's going to do for 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:10.320 all of you, which is not good. Yay, okay, we 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:16.160 are back now. One of the things that have in 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.480 a lot of ways locked the system in place was 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.560 that because of the way that these these manufacturing like 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.680 networks are set up, right, because they're all so interlinked, 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:31.840 because they're all dependent on like exploiting differences between production 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:37.280 capacity and like labor costs in different countries. They are 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.040 all so interconnected that if you try to pull one 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.600 thread out of it and do a major change to 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.640 the system, the entire thing is at risk immediately. And 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.120 this meant that there has always been an enormous structural 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.120 incentive to keep things the way they were, even if 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.480 everyone can also already like realize that they're kind of 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.400 fucked up. And this days all the way back to 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.240 like things that most people largely have forgotten about. But like, oh, Alma, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.480 for example, ran on renegotiating NAFTA, and he never like 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.600 intended to do that, but like even if he had 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.280 the moment he got into power, you know, like Trump 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.720 renegotiates NAFTA too, right, But he renegotiates NAFTA and it's 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.360 just like the same trade deal because for a long time, right, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.560 if if you were going to run the capitalist economy 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.240 in a functional way. The only thing you could possibly 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.800 do was run it the way he had already been 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.680 set up, because there were so many structural factors about 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.520 how this is snow production works, that this is only 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:26.880 that this is the only way you could run it 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.160 and still like have the economy not explode. But now 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.880 we have finally produced a group of men so stupid 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.440 that they are unconstrained by the structural limits of the economy. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.760 And this is where we get into the lebrond of 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.880 turf terrasom'er on right now, and we get into something 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:45.800 that is very important to understand about this, which is 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:50.720 that this shit is not about economics right in the 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.600 sense that you or I were understand them. This is 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.600 none of this stuff is about like we want the 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.520 economy to grow. It's this is not something that like 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:06.119 really any of the major sectors of capital want because 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.840 it is just nucleus whole thing. And this is why 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.199 you've seen a split between even Elon Musk has like 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.920 openly criticized the trade policy, even if he's been sort 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.720 of hedging it. What we've been seeing is this widening rifted. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.840 And we talked about this in the last executive disorder, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.879 where like different factions of the Trump administration were literally 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.480 trying to like isolate Trump from like Navarro, who's the 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.159 guy who wants to do all of the all of 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.280 the tariff bullshit they've been, you know, like literally try 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.560 to get them alone in a room so that they 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.680 can they can implement their trade policy. But the actual 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.359 underlying urge here is completely ideological, right it is. It 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.359 is this idea that like if you run a trade 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.280 deficit with a country, or if you're if you are 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.360 buying things from a country, they are ripping you off, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.280 and you always need to be selling more things than 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:56.359 you're buying, which is just like so okay on one level, 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.240 like this is just so fucking nonsense that like attempting 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.320 to explain why is bullshit is kind of pointless, But 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.200 we're gonna do it anyways, because someone fucking has to somewhere. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.840 And this actually does also reveal something about the way 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.359 that money has always worked under these systems. Okay, so 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.399 before we get to like what this is going to 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.320 do to the entire world economy, we need to talk 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.760 about Garrison. Do you know what balance of payments. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.280 Is that sounds like something I would ask my accountant about. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.080 Yeah, so this is a technically an accounting thing, right, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.080 But the balance of payments of a country, it is 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.280 like a leisure thing, right, But it's the measure of 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.840 like their accounts, right in terms of all of the 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.080 money coming out of the country and all of the 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.760 money coming into the country. That's you know, that's like 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.359 trade balance stuff, right, And the balance of payments is 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.199 actually very important for a lot of countries because specifically 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.520 most countries in the world need to buy things in 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.040 a currency they can't print. This has always been the 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.840 structural limit of things like modern monetary theory, which talks 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.880 about how like your country's ability to like have things 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.960 isn't constrained by just like the pure money supply of 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.600 your country as long as you're buying things in your 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.600 own currency, right. Like the purpose of money is the 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.080 thing that move assets around. But inflation isn't a product. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.040 I mean, like, yeah, okay, if you just like hammer 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.640 the fucking printer button, right, Like, yeah, you can cause 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.199 hyper inflation, but substantively because money is something that is 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.280 a production of the government, because it is literally government debt, right, 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.000 It's not a commodity in the conventional sense where you 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.959 have to like figure out how much of it there is, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.679 and there's like a limited supply of it, and you 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.480 have to like manage limited supply and make sure the 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.040 economy doesn't explode. You can just use the money that 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.120 you have, and you can use debt like deficit spending 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.679 effectively to continue to circulate goods around the economy. The 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.399 problem is if you have to buy something that is 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.400 not in your currency, that's where you need trade because 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:48.880 you need to find a way so you know, I'm 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.560 gonna taken example that we're gonna come back you later, 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:51.280 which is Bolivia. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:51.760 Right. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.399 If you are Bolivia, you need to get American dollars 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.160 so you can buy like gas, right, so people can 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.159 like fucking fuel their cars. And the problem is you 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.439 can only buy oil in American dollars, so you have 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.480 to find something to export to a place where you 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.359 can get American dollars for it. And in this sense, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.920 balance of payments actually matters enormously, right, And balance of 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.760 payments is also just like a function of all of 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:16.600 your trade deficits and all of your trade share pluses 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.399 sort of combined. Right, But think about the US. This 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.640 is a notable thing. Everyone uses the dollar to buy shit. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.480 There's like nothing that you can't buy with the dollar. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.119 So for the United States, none of this shit matters 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:31.879 at all, none of the balance of payment stuff. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.080 It is completely. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:37.880 Irrelevant, like literally completely totally and utterly irrelevant. Right now. 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.760 If you are like Bolivia and you run out of dollars, 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.080 then what you have is a spirally economic crisis where 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.560 like people looking suddenly can't buy food because no one 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.399 can buy oil, so no one can move things around, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.760 so like the entire economy literc collapses. This is a 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.880 very very very common mode of economic collapse. But you know, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.159 none of the things that the right is talking about, 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.040 like in terms of like, oh you have like the 0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:59.960 United States has like a trade deficit with China is 0:20:59.960 --> 0:21:02.840 like yeah, great, that means that we're buying things from them. 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.120 Like the one good Rand Paul quote ever, was like, yes, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.719 I have a trade deficit with my grocery store, like 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:11.919 and that's fine. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.600 Mia goes full Rand Paul on the podcast today. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.840 Yeah I know what. But the thing is, the thing is, 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.919 it is very very funny that Rand Paul is now 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:22.760 complaining about this because it's like well, yeah, I don't know. 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.040 If all of you motherfuckers hadn't spent all this time 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.399 like fucking polling around with like Alex Jones and the Klan, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.040 like we probably wouldn't be here right now. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:35.440 Yeah, zero falls is definitely like the Tea Party does 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.400 have a sizeable chunk of the blame here. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.280 Yeah, like like that's the thing, like this, this is 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.760 your all of your fucking fault. Lock them up quick, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:44.679 zero to ten, zero to ten, Get him out, Get 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:45.400 him out, gethim out. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:45.600 Now. 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.080 Do you know what else we need to get out? 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:48.520 Gett a stock? 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.080 Oh it's these fucks and services. Yeah, get them out 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:51.360 of stock. 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:52.840 Get them out of stock while you still can. 0:21:53.040 --> 0:22:02.480 Well, we still have an economy. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.760 We are back now again, as I was saying, like 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.080 this attempt to make the American economy function in a 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.919 way that it has trade surpluses with every other country. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.120 And also, and this is also important, these people don't 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.080 think that like services are real and a lot of 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.600 what the US exports as services. But because they're all 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.760 these really weird like me, because they're all fascists, right, 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.480 they all have this all of this weird ideological shit 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.920 about masculinity and about the favoring of the concrete over 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:34.119 the abstract, because the concrete is like masculated. It is 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.119 like it is the nation, right like this, like steel 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.480 workers and people who fucking hammer coal out like this. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.520 This is what masculinity is. This is what nationalism is. 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:43.919 This is what men are supposed to do. 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.520 Yeah, you have the materialists on the evil side, and 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.320 you have the post materialists on well. 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.879 No, okay, so this is a long time ago. I 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.560 did a bunch of episodes called The Class and the 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.800 Culture War, and one of the points that I make 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:01.920 in that episode is that one of the arguments that 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.040 the Canadian Jewish Marxist historian Moish Pistone makes about what 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:11.040 the Holocaust was was this attempt to pit the concrete 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.960 part of capital against the abstract part of capital. Right 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.440 where the concrete part of capital is like the nation 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.919 and the worker and the factory and like the boss, 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.639 right and all of these like concrete things were pitted 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.879 against the like the quote unquote abstract part of capital, 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.680 which is to say, like quote unquote like Jewish financiers 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.560 and all of the sort of like weird collection of 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.560 like modifiers that gets associated with like you know, the 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.600 rootless positive politanism, like the globalism, like all of this shit, right, 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:44.280 And what the Nazis did was embody all of that 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.879 stuff into just the figure of the Jewish person and 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:49.960 his arguments. And this is arguing about like sort of 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.440 structural anti semitism and what the Holocaust was was that 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.600 the like that was what the Nazi revolution was. That's 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.359 what the liquidation of like and this is how episode describes, 0:23:58.400 --> 0:23:59.880 like liquidation of Jesus is what this is what the hall, 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.399 this is what the genocide was, which their attempt to 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.960 destroy the like abstract part of part of this thing 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:07.840 by pitting it against the concrete part of this thing. 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.199 And this is what these fucking people are also are 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.200 also doing in their own way, right, Like. 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.000 Yeah, they're just doing it with like the price of 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.200 eggs or like the availability of housing. 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:17.959 Right, and you know, and it's also knowing like these 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.280 people are like unhe and anti Semitic, right, because this 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:22.280 is all part of the same ideology. They just sort 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.720 of like they're doing the shit in different ways and 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.159 they haven't like yeah, I don't know, like if these 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.640 people are in power for like a decade, we might 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:33.080 just get this right where they're literally doing the Holocaust again, 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.280 but like we're not at that point yet, but we're 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.719 at the point is where like this this kind of 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.760 like under like this kind of fascist understanding of the 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:44.600 nation and masculinity and like the concrete versus the abstract, 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.640 and like these figures can be like embodied in anti 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.320 these things. And this is also what like what the 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.040 like this is what the administration is doing with immigrants, right, 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.560 is like passing them in that role of like the abstract, 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:57.520 like the foreigner, they the national, the like the anti 0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:58.320 the anti national. 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.040 Those things are are is causing our economic problems, our 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.359 housing problems. And then you have other instances like with 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.439 like Mexico and Canada where they tie in the trade 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:10.000 war with this like ventanyl thing, being like you know, 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.360 like immigrants are bringing fentanyl over the border and we're 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.679 using tariffs as a negotiating tactic to stop ventinyls. Like 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:20.480 they're they're bringing in even more like aspects regarding like 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:25.520 immigration and tying it directly to like our trade wars 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.919 with these with these you know, massive massive countries some 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:31.560 of our most important trading partners. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:36.400 Yeah, and this is causing an interesting split because Trump's 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.960 like political coalition right has a bunch of kind of 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.920 different kinds of fascists in a lot of ways. We're 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.720 like Trump and Navarro and like, i mean, Trump is 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.600 instinctually pro tariff and like he can be talked out 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.240 of it because again this guy's brain, like we saw 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.240 this last administration, Like the last person in the room 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.800 with him can convince them, but basically anything. But you know, 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.040 those people are structurally committed to like thisacivic version of masculinity. 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:02.320 And there's a lot of portions of the right that 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.359 are and that are committed to like this trade policy 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.679 is like the America first American nationalist thing. But like 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:12.280 someone like Elon Musk isn't that committed to this. And 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.080 like even a lot of the people who are like 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.200 the inner circle sort of like Jarvin like tech fascist 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.959 right are like okay, but hold on, like we make 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.040 all of our shit in China, so like you know, 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:24.720 and this is why, like Elon is coming against the 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.399 terrorists because like, yeah, they're gonna fuck him, like because 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.520 he has to import stuff and export stuff from China 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.640 because that's where a bunch of his production facilities are, right, 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.000 and you know, and if once you get out of 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.360 the circle of of like that kind of like tech 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.880 fascist right, and the tech people are the people who 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.439 are the most closely aligned with this administration, right, like 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:42.960 an internships of like all the sexus of the capital, 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.439 tech is the most closely aligned one. But you know, 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.480 you can get out into like places like fucking Walgreens 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.520 and Walmart, right, and these are also like like the 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.040 Waltons as a family are like traditional backers of the 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:55.919 right for ages and ages and ages right, there've been 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.119 backers of far right causes. They also don't want this 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.159 because also their entire supply chains work you fucking China 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.560 and work through moving a bunch of like commodities around, 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.320 and the further route you go when you when you 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.159 start getting into like actual finance capital. These people are 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.240 fucking terrified because they're looking at this and like, holy shit, 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.800 we're about to lose all over goddebt money. And the 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.920 consequence of this is that all of this stuff is 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.080 shaping out in a sort of political battle in the 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.919 administration over who can get Trump in the room last 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.600 to try to figure out how how the economy is 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.800 going to work. But the problem is, and I have 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.119 been vindicated in this In the very brief amount of 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.399 time between when the episode of Friday came out and 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.600 when we're recording this, there are no negotiations with China, 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.360 Like they haven't started. There's no process for starting them. 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.880 Trump does keep lying about starting negotiations, and yeah, he's 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.359 just lying about this, right, Chinese government says, no, we 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.000 have not started negotiations. 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.639 It's like, no, there's no negotiations. Yeah, and there and 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.480 and again, like structurally there can't be negotiations because there's 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.159 no actual way for the US to like not have 0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.840 a trade deficit with China, Like there's no way you 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:01.440 can do that. And that's the thing that will satisfy 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:05.040 these people. So all of this means that the economy 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.399 is fucking dead, right. This is the sort of like 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.919 free trade economy we've all grown up in that functions 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.280 off of like you know, like fucking drop shipping and 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.200 all this cheap production of a bunch of other countries 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.560 and you know, like assemblies of a bunch of different 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.840 like goods in different places, and the US is like 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:24.240 the economic center of the world is just fucking gone. Now. 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:25.920 One of the reasons I. 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.880 Started writing this episode in the first place is that 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:34.280 I have read so much fucking analyzes of these goddamn 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.320 turf tariffs, and do you know how many of them, 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:42.280 for a single fucking second considered what this was going 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.000 to be like for anyone who doesn't live in the 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:44.680 United States. 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.760 What the fuck is wrong with people? 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:52.760 Why does nobody fucking care about a single goddamn person 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.480 who lives outside the United States. I have read so 0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:00.240 many fucking analyzes of this fucking shit. I have read 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:01.760 these things from I have read these things from the 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.240 business papers. I have read these things from fascists. I 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.160 have read these things from the center left. I have 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.880 read these things from leftists. Do you know how many 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:13.719 of these things have said anything about actual fucking people 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.920 who do not live in the goddamn United States. Fucking 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.840 none of them. Every once in a while you'll get like, 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:22.560 this will be bad for the economy of China, and 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.400 this is this is a catastrophe because the people who 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.200 are going to be most affected by this when when 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.479 the fucking turf terrorists some liberation they come back into 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.680 effect over the summer are the working classes Sri Lanka. 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:35.760 This is going to be the. 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.760 Fucking apocalypse for a bunch of people who have been 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.000 going through hell for years and years and years and years. 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.280 It's going to be places like fucking Bolivia, who which 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.320 is already facing a dollar crisis and is struggling to 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:46.880 import fuel. 0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.080 It is going to be places like Bangladesh. It is 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:50.320 going to be places. 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.160 Like Vietnam, which is, you know, structurally in a better 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:53.600 position than a lot of the rest of these countries, 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.840 but like fucking won't be in a structurally better like 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.920 balance for a structurally better position when it has like 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:02.240 ninety percent goddamn tariffs on it. And yes, the US 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.240 is going to be real fucking bad, right. Everything is 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:06.800 going to cost a lot more money. All of us 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.640 are going to have a lotless jobs. The people who 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.560 are in jobs are going to make a lot less money. 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.479 There is going to be a lot of people fucking homeless. 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:13.840 There is going to be a lot of people who 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:18.040 can't get fucking food. It is going to be a catastrophe. 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.560 And also at the same time, the US is going 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.520 to look like fucking fully automated, luxury gase based communism 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.719 compared to fucking Shri Lanka. This kind of sort of 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.959 wrote American nationalism that has consumed the brains of basically 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.520 this entire goddamn country on a level so deep Americans 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.120 don't even fucking think about it, Like, is the reason 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:40.600 why we fucking have all of this bullshit in the 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:44.280 first place. And this is why, like in like four 0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.680 fucking months, literally no one in the entire country social 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.400 security is actually going to show up because nineteen year 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.080 ol grow up doesn't understand sequel, because nobody in this 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.720 fucking country gives a single shit about anyone who lives 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.040 outside of the country enough to try to do a 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.200 single goddamn word of analysis about how this is going 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.120 to affect everyone. Because the death of the global economy 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.400 will be felt here, it is going to be felt 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.320 so much fucking worse everywhere else on goddamn Earth. And 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.840 I am, like, I am losing my fucking mind at 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.480 the extent to which everyone is just fucking refusing to 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:19.320 engage with this completely. This is gonna be being unbelievably 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.160 fucking angry because, like I don't know, a bunch of 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:23.920 my family doesn't live in this country, which means I 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.720 have to deal with the fact that, like everyone else 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:28.640 who lives in another country is a human being who's 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.280 exactly the same as fucking we are, and this is 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.520 the thing that nobody else appears to want to fuck 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.800 deal with. I am losing my shit. Please God, stop 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:39.840 talking about the tariffs as if they only affect the 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.120 United States and aren't mostly going to be born by 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:47.600 everyone else. I didn't write a transition for this, but 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:52.240 you know, I will transition out of this by again 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.480 going back to the fact that all of the reason 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.200 this is going to be so bad is that the 0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:01.440 global economy is based on, you know, a combination of 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:05.040 resource extraction and a combination of logistical supply lines that 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.040 all rely on there not being one hundred percent tariffs 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.280 on goods and importers to the US. And when this 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.360 shit goes through, and when the rest of the tariffs 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.000 go through and make it you know, the thing that's 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.880 happening right now is an attempt to avoid this stuff 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.080 is everyone you know, and this is something like Nintendo 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.240 has been talking about right where they were, like, okay, 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:24.960 our plan to avoid the tariffs on China is to 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.920 move a bunch of our production into Vietnam. And that 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.560 was happening anyways before the tariffs because of sort of 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.640 rising labor costs in China, and you know, a whole 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.560 bunch of sort of factors like that, but none of 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.640 that shit, none of that stuff that's like to sort 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.040 of like keep the current global economy on a lifeline, 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.920 is going is going to be able to function once 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:47.720 the tariffs on basically of the country on Earth go 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:52.800 into effect. And there's a second problem here, which is that, Okay, 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:54.479 so what is the new economy going to look like? 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.280 These people, like the people running like the administration, right, 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.280 like people like Navarro and people like Trump, and a 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.160 lot of the sort of like, right, who is driving 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.760 the policy thing here think that that the production that's 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.520 happening everywhere else in the world will just be replaced 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.080 by the US. And there was a trap that people 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.120 fall into with Chinese economics. And I do this too 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.760 sometimes because it's, you know, it's a fast and easy 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:21.880 way to think about the Chinese economy, and it's not accurates. Well, 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.800 it's not like, isn't capital the whole picture of what's 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.200 going on. But the way that people think about the 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:29.960 Chinese economy tends to be that the reason that things 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:31.880 are made in China is because labor is cheap there, 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.040 because either the culmination of exploitation and poverty, and that's 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:40.320 true to an extent, right, But the actual sort of 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.400 genius from capitalist perpective of capitalis returned to China was that, 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.080 you know, from a capitalist perspective, the Chinese workforce, and 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.719 this continues to be true thirty or forty years into 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.280 the transition, is highly educated and highly skilled. And the 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.320 education was paid for not by capitalism, right, it was 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.520 paid for by the sort of socialist system like this, 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.760 This combination of things of a highly educated and an 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.120 increasingly highly skilled as they've been, you know, working these jobs, 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:10.680 means that there is an extremely high skilled migrant labor 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.080 population that knows how to do a bunch of shit 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.520 like circuit board assembly and like stuff with like chip assembly, right, 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.200 that is vital to making electronics. And the US does 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.280 not have a couple of one hundred thousand migrant workers 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.920 that you can just have and like exploit and not 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.759 pay healthcare costs to to know how all of the 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.520 chip manufacturing shit works. Right, There are people in the 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:36.839 US who know how to do some of these kinds 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.640 of things. But we're talking, you know, even though the 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.400 US does have a manufacturing economy and it is very 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.080 high tech, it is not on the scale of these things, right. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.560 And the second, the second big reason why things are 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.920 producing in China, and this is the reason why production 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:54.800 didn't just shift all shift out of China after twenty 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.600 eleven when there were huge protests there and huge riots 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.279 there over sort of labor conditions, is that there was 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.000 an unbelievable amount of like capital outlet, like this physical 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:08.360 factory infrastructure that is in China that you can't easily 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.799 just move out to another country. And this is this 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:16.319 is the basic things like the power grid functions right, 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.560 and you can't really easily replicate that, and you can't 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:22.279 just have this thing that there's all these people want 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.080 to do where like the US will just suddenly, you know, 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.440 have all of these factories, right and well suddenly like 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.440 all these things will just like come back and miraculously 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.319 like there will be all of these jobs because like 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.000 who the fuck is going like we don't we literally 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.440 we don't have the technology for this. We'll not technlogy. 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.200 It was like, who is going to build all of 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.200 the factories? Right, Like the factories don't exist here, the 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.600 like the inter technical systems for them don't exist here. 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.719 You don't want to switch to costing fifty thousand dollars 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:53.680 available in ten years pre order now Sorry, no available 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.440 in twenty years. I forgot about the environmental impact surveys. 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.319 Yeah, iPhone, iPhone twenty years. 0:35:58.400 --> 0:35:58.600 Yeah. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:35:59.920 But like you know, and like and like a lot 0:35:59.920 --> 0:36:02.120 of this is because like you know, you're hearing a 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.000 lot of reports now with like small business owners. We're 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.040 talking about like, yeah, it's so much easier to work 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.919 with Chinese manufacturers, is like impossible to work with American manufacturers, 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.200 And part of that is just exploitation, right, Like, yeah, 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.200 there's a lot of things that like there there were 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.359 like labor conditions that are very common in China that 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.080 do happen in the US, but are much easier to 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.680 do there. But also, like I don't know, like China 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.799 has like an entire network of like the ability to 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:26.960 basically do this sort of like pop up light and 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.680 media manufacturing that can like retool itself really quickly, and 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.480 the US doesn't fucking have that, right, Like, we do 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.600 have a bunch of manufacturing in the US, right, Like 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.759 that is the thing that we have, but it was 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.000 largely pushed into like the suburbs to get rid of 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:42.680 sort of like the masses of workers that are rose 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.120 and cities like Detroit to like atomize them, right, And 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.320 this is actually like also happening in China right now, weirdly, 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.560 Like China has been pivoting to a service economy for 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.680 a long time, but think this thing as those service economies, 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.239 A lot of that shit is like also like drop 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.600 shipping production, right but like, you know, there's no actual 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.200 way for you know, befure like capital atl like costs 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.200 and things like that. There's no actual way to replicate 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.000 the conditions in China that make it like an effective 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.359 like source of global production in the US or even 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.400 in like a country like India, Like there's just not 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.319 the infrastructure there to do it, and there's not the 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.839 sort of like migrant labor population. It's not the sort 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:20.320 of things that you need. And what this means right now, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.600 right is that like there is not a future lined 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.399 up to replace the one that we're in right now. 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.719 We literally don't know what this is going to do 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.560 because no one has ever bothered planning this shit out. 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.160 Because this is just like taking a sledgehammer to fucking everything, 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.520 like they are trying to extract the copper wires from 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.160 the house and in order to do this, they like, 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:41.480 you know, A, because they think they think that's how 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.360 the economy works, is they attract the copper wires, and 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.560 b their plan to extract the copper wires is to 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.239 blow the house up with dynamite. And now, no one's 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.520 ever done in environmental impact statements on what if you 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:52.800 blow the house up with dynamite? 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.880 Because why the fuck would you do that? Right, Sometimes 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:56.680 the police do that. 0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.960 It's true, it's true, but I guess, I guess they 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.560 is the world's police force. But go, you know, like, 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.200 no one has planned for this. But the second thing 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.880 is there isn't another model of capital waiting in the 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.000 wings in the way that there was when the sort 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.359 of Reaganites did this the economy, because the Reaganites had 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.200 an entire ideological apprightus, they had a like a functional 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.839 way for the economy to work and be worse and 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:24.000 be more exploitive. But there's nothing behind this, right, there's 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:28.520 just a vision that literally cannot work. And so the 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:30.879 place that I want to end as we head into 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:32.800 the end of the economy, and as you know, I 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.080 like I've been trying to grapple with what is it 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:39.080 going to look like after this is that we just 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.040 don't know. Things in the supply chain are going to 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:45.520 break that we have never thought about before, Like medical 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.880 systems are going to start breaking down, Right, The supply 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:53.040 chains for like like really really basic goods that we 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.319 don't even think about the production process of is going 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.359 to start breaking down because it relies on being able 0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:01.759 to cheaply import one very very specific kind of like 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.439 I don't know, like ball bearing that's made in one 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.759 factory and suddenly cost like four hundred times as much 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:14.239 as it did before, And we don't know what that's 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.479 going to do. And this is on the one hand, 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:21.480 absolutely horrifying, right, like this is going to mean an 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:26.440 unbelievable amount of suffering for people across the world. But 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:30.160 on the other hand, there is no plan, right, They 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.439 don't have a fucking strategy, And that means that the 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.960 future of the global economy is up in the air, 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.600 and it's up to us to make it a fucking 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.440 better one. Right, It's we either drive these people from 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.640 power and we and we destroy the basis of their 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.600 power on such a fundamental level they can never return 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.040 to power, right, Like, we just we just fucking kneecap them. 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.719 We physically seize all of the fucking assets and all 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:54.560 of the things, of the productive capacity that they have 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.640 that has been allowing you to do this. We make 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.200 sure they can never get it again, and we make 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:00.440 sure that we fucking control it. And we either do 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.120 that or we all get crushed for a generation and 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:09.200 we enter a period of just unmitigated global suffering the 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.560 likes of which only a few people in the most 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.560 hideously wardone parts of the world have experienced today. 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:22.560 Yeah, I for one am very excited to see the 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:28.520 the anarchist liberal reglobalization Alliance finally fighting in the streets 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:33.320 of Seattle to regain globalization full circle. 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.520 You know, I will point out the reason they all 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.799 called it alter globalization and not anti globalization was that 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:41.400 like one of the one of the original line of 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.640 them did say anti globalization of them did, right, but like, 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.239 like like a lot of their argument was like the 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.200 West Coast teams, certainly this is true, but like like 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.920 it's also it's also true that like like what like 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:52.640 one of the arguments they were making was that like 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:57.640 neoliberal globalization meant that people couldn't move to places, but 0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.680 capital could and The thing that they want was a 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.919 world where people can move between things and like, fuck capital, what. 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.319 The fuck like eat shit? 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.239 Right, And that's a world that we can build, right, 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:11.240 We can build a world where fucking nobody gets arrested 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.040 by the immigration gestapo, where like there isn't a fucking 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.400 line on the ground that dictates whether people can disappear 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:17.560 you to a concentration camp. 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:19.680 And that is also globalization. 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:21.040 Right. 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.480 We just have to fucking do it and ar co 0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.800 Clintonism one day we can look at a beautiful world. 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.879 Look, if Bill Crystal can admit the radicals were right, 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.200 all of these other motherfuckers could come around. 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.200 We've been right all but we've been right the whole 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.239 fucking time. Fuck you assholes. 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.080 All of you broke this world and it is now 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.360 our job to put it back together. And you fuckers 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.560 are going to back us or we are all going 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.720 to be killed by fascism. And those are the terms. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:52.319 Deal with it. It's a strange world. Do we live in. 0:41:53.080 --> 0:42:17.759 Boo, Hello and welcome to it could happen here. I'm 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.600 here to ask you if you can imagine a world 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:27.440 where national borders don't define our identities. This internationalist idea 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:31.239 has historically been known as cosmopolitanism, and it has some 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:37.319 deep roots, including interestingly some connection to anarchism, and of 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.319 course that's what we're seeking to explore here today. I'm 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.400 joined once again by the one and only. 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.239 It's James James Stout. Thanks for having me, Andrew, I'm 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:47.240 excited about this one. 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.120 Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to have 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:54.760 this conversation. Are you familiar with cosmopolitanism. 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:57.080 Yeah, and like, look if there gets the more broad 0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:02.360 sphere of like anarchist internationalism, something I'm very interested in, right, Like, 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.600 we had an interview on the show maybe two weeks ago, 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.279 for a few weeks ago, and people hear this with 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:12.399 people explicitly calling themselves internationalists fighting in Mianmar. Of course, 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.880 I've spent time in re Java and with internationalists there, So, 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.360 like internationalism is something I'm really interested in for sure. 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.440 For sure, I think it's a very compelling and inspiring idea, 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.160 especially in a world that lacks many of those ideas. 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.680 At its core, cosmopolitanism is just the belief that all 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.280 human beings belong to the same shared moral and political 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:41.440 community that transcends national, cultural, and political boundaries. In the book, Cosmopoulitanism, ethics, 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:46.080 and the Wilders Strangers. Philosopher Kwame Anthony Appia describes cosson 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.200 Politanism as quote two strands that intertwine in the notion 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.520 of Cossopolitanism. One is the idea that we have obligations 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.320 to others, obligations that stretch beyond those to whom we 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.680 are related, with the ties of kith and kin, or 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.279 even the more formal ties of shared citizenship. The other 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.600 is that we take seriously the value not just of 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.879 human life, but of particular human lives, which means taking 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.520 an interest in the practices and believes that land them significance. 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:14.879 People are different, the Cossopolitan knows, and there is much 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.680 to learn from our differences, because there are so many 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.440 human possibilities with exploring. We neither expect nor desire that 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.640 every person or every society should converge on a single 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.320 mode of life. Whatever obligations are to others or theirs 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.759 to us, they often have the rights to go their 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:35.480 own way. So basically, we have obligations to others beyond 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.080 just our immediate infiliations, and that human diversity is something 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.120 to be valued, not just tolerated. So it's not the 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:48.400 idea of assimilating all of humanity into one singular culture 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:52.360 or society or government. Is the idea of recognizing and 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:57.680 embracing the diversity of humans, but recognizing our shared affinity 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:03.439 all the same. A couple different versions of cosmopolitanism. There's 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.160 some moral cosmopolitanism, or the idea that all humans have 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:10.320 equal moral worth. There's political cosmopolitanism, the idea that global 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:14.920 governance or international institutions should supersede national borders. And then 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.960 there's cultural costopolitanism, which is the blending in exchange of 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:23.120 cultures through migration, trade, and shared histories. But costopolitanism fully 0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:26.920 embraced has I would say an inherent tens with power, 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:31.440 especially nationalism, the states, and capitalism. And while it's true 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:35.320 that liberal cosmopolitanism relies on global institutions like the United 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:42.839 Nations and reinforces hierarchies, anarchist cosmopolitanism envisions of world where solidarity, cooperation, 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:48.560 and mutual aid emerge from below through free association, rather 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.960 than being imposed from above. So today will be unpacking 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:56.040 the history of cosmopolitanism, how anarchists have engaged with the topic, 0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:01.040 and why it remains somewhat of a battleground today. Yes, 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.960 the term itself comes from the Greek cosmopolitis, which means 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:10.920 citizen of the world. The earliest articulation of this idea 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:14.359 is often attributed to Diogenes of Sinope, who is a 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:18.960 Synic philosopher who, when asked where he came from, simply replied, 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:23.480 I'm a citizen of the world. According to Martha Nusbaum, 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:28.040 Greek stoics like Xeno of Citium, Seneca, and Marcus Aurelius 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.880 expanded on this idea, arguing that humanity shares a universal 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.400 reason and should live in accordance with nature, not artificial 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.440 divisions of state or tribe. Of course, many of these 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:42.440 philosophers didn't have any issue with patriarchy or slavery in Greece, 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:46.719 so there is some inconsistency in their concept of a 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:47.560 shared humanity. 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.640 Yeah, the two counts as human I guess, isn't it like? 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:52.400 Which is pretty bleak. 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:56.360 Indeed, But let's pass forward a bit. During the Enlightenment 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:00.400 we see a more structured political philosophy of cosmopolitanism. Emrgin 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:04.799 Emanuel Kant was one of its most famous proponents. In 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:10.360 the book Perpetual Peace, kan't imagine a cosmopolitan condition, where individuals, 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.880 not just states, had universal rights, and where a global 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:18.280 federation of free republics would ensure peace and cooperation. However, 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.279 his version of cosmopolitanism still relied on legal structures and 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.600 state based governance. Another Nightman thinker associated with cosmopolitanism was 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:31.000 Dni Dederu, who criticized colonialism and argued for a cultural 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.720 exchange free from that kind of domination. He also argued 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:38.799 against monarchy, the church, and aristocratic privileges, as they were 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:43.319 obstacles to a truly free and universal human community, which 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.480 then brings us to the French Revolution, which brought these 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:50.640 ideas into the real world. Revolutionaries declared the Rights of 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:54.240 Man and of the Citizen, which proclaims universal rights beyond 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:58.400 national or social status, but the revolution soon became entangled 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:03.160 with nationalism, early under the Acabins, who suppressed descent and 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:07.400 waged wars in the name of France. Meanwhile, the Haitian 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:12.359 Revolution provided a different example of liberation. In practice. Enslaved Africans, 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:16.680 inspired by the French Revolution's rhetoric of liberty inequality, revolted 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:20.680 against French colonial rule and established the first free Black republic. 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:25.200 The revolutionaries, led by tous Saint Levitire argued that liberty 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:29.680 was a universal human right, not one limited to European citizens, 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:34.319 and declared Haiti a refuge to all enslaved persons. But 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.920 despite its radical implications, the Haitian Revolution was largely ignored 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:44.040 or outright opposed by European powers. Their so called enlightenment 0:48:44.200 --> 0:49:00.319 only extended Europe, ignoring our racial and colonial realities. Seeing 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:03.560 this time the emergence of nationalism, which on the one 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:08.000 hand promoted self determination for homo pressed nations, but on 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.000 the other hand, saw the nation state as a superior 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:15.320 form of political organization. So anarchists were among the earliest 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:19.399 critics of nationalism. Patrons of Pradawn, for instance, rejected both 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:24.640 the nation state and centralized cosmopolitan governance, instead advocating for federation, 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.640 a frequently misunderstood concept that refers in anarchist literature to 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:34.480 a decentralized network of freely associated individuals and groups working 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:40.200 in solidarity. Similarly, Mikhil Vicunen attacked nationalism as a tool 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:44.359 of ruling elites, arguing that states use national identities of press, 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:48.560 class struggle, and international solidarity. Bi Cunin did back national 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:53.160 liberation movements, but he understood the danger of nationalism as 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:58.640 a force that often replaces foreign rulers with homegrown oppressors. Instead, 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:03.760 Bcunen promoted an gist internationalism where workers and oppressed peoples 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:07.840 across borders would unite against both capitalists and state powers. 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.319 By contrast, the Bolsheviks would eventually developed the idea of 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:15.319 socialism in one country, and the ever paranoid Stalin would 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:22.040 famously deride Jewish intellectuals as quote rootless cosmopolitans. This, of 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.040 course aligned him with the rest of Europe's nationalists in 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:30.000 their anti semitism inaccurate cricketerization of cosmopolitanism as opposed to 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:35.440 cultural identity or sovereignty and ramid defense of national borders. Honestly, 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.640 I would not be surprised if Trump or Putin used 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:42.080 some equivalent to rule less cosmopolitanism today. 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:46.080 Yeah, yeah, I did see. It was like a pro 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.479 Trump account. I guess constantly or unconstantly paraphrasing Stalin this week. 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:51.480 So that was great. 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:55.239 Really, will they say it's like, how many divisions does 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.920 the judge command? Which is a I think there might 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.080 be a quote from Startin if it's not quotes a paraphrase, right, 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:04.360 But in this case, it's a reference to the attempts 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:07.160 by a district court judge in GC to block the 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.279 rendition of people to El Salvador who are accused of 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:16.160 being members of various gangs, and Mirosalva culture being the 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:17.280 two main ones. 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.280 Yes, so just being expelled. What's the connection to Stalin? 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:21.520 Though? 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:26.000 The quote how many divisions does the judge command? Let me, 0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.520 I'm pretty sure how many divisions does the pope command? 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:30.120 Was the staling? 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:30.399 Quite? 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:30.839 That's right? 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:34.360 So, like it's referencing this idea that like might makes 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.719 right and like that, you know, if you have the 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:41.160 bar of the state, then you're not accountable to morally 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:45.239 or even even within the confines of the state, like 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.480 separation of powers that we're supposed to happen in the US, right, 0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.360 like if you have the monopoly on coercive violence and 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.960 you're no longer constrained by those things. 0:51:54.800 --> 0:52:00.520 Right, Yeah, I see, I see. So of course anarchists 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.839 suppose all those things. They opposed what is happening now, 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.080 and they oppose what was happening then. From its inception, 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:10.840 anarchism has been an internationalist movement rejecting the artificial borders 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:17.920 imposed by state and champion in global solidarity. Unlike Marxist internationalism, 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:21.240 which has often relied on the centralized structures of the First, Second, 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:27.080 or Third internationals, anarchists emphasized decentralized horizontal networks of struggle 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:33.120 the connected workers, revolutionaries, and stateless peoples across continents. The 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.879 anarchist Saint Emir Internationale, which ran from eighteen seventy two 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:40.960 to eighteen seventy seven, was one such network. As discussed 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.920 by Lucian van der Waldt and Schmidt in Black Flame, 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:50.720 that group explicitly rejected nationalism and state power, and throughout 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:55.360 history anarchists worked a bridge linguistic, cultural, and national divides 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:59.719 from multilingual anarchist newspapers in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.560 such as La Protester Argentina, their Camp in Germany and 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:08.320 The Libertaire in France, through transnational cynicalist movements like the 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:12.040 Industrial Workers of the World, which organized workers across race, nationality, 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.640 and language in the early twentieth century, and including contemporary 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:20.239 mutual aid networks where anarchists coordinates across borders to support refugees, 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:25.680 disaster relief, and addigenous land struggles. Anarchist networks, contrary to 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:30.480 popular belief often extended beyond Europe into North Africa, Asia 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:34.400 and Latin America, where anti colonial and labor struggles intertwined 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.160 with anarchist thought. If you're curious, by the way, about 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:40.040 the anarchist histories of Egypt or the rest of Latin America, 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.479 they could check out my series on it right here 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.360 on the canappen Air podcast. And if you've listened to 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:49.200 that series, you'll know that because anarchists were constantly persecuted, 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:55.440 exile became a defining experience which further reinforced the internationalism. 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.840 Folks like Michail Bi Cunan, Pieter Kropotkin, and Erikomana Testa 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:04.920 moved across continents, spreading anarchist ideas and connecting struggles. Mal 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:08.640 test in particular was basically a common San Diego. He 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:13.360 touched multiple continents over the course of his life. So 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:16.400 bout the late nineteenth century, anarchists like Groulph Rocker developed 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:21.200 an alternative to both statist nationalism and liberal cosmopolitanism, which 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:24.440 sorts of balance cultural diversity with global solidarity from below. 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:27.719 Rocker argued that people should be free to maintain their 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:32.920 cultural traditions without being bound to the state or nationalist identity. 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.719 So liberal Costopolitanism was pushing a global order through state 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:41.680 led interventions, international institutions, and legal frameworks. And while this 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.600 form of Costopolitanism has led to some games on people 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:50.080 in human rights, international refugee protections, and anti genocide treaties, well, 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:52.239 for one, we see the failures of these institutions in 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:56.479 practice daily, and for two, they ultimately reinforced the state 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:59.239 power that creates so much harm rather than dismantling it. 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.040 The UN and the WTO often uphold the interest of 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.719 powerful states above and before the international laws and obligations. 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:11.400 Whilst sideline and grassroots movements, while liberal Costopolitanism sits on 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.120 its hands waiting for elit driven reforms to the system, 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:18.600 anarchists engage in direct action to support migrants and other 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.400 marginalized folks without waiting for such reform. I have to 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:23.759 give a shout out here, of course, to the No 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:27.000 Borders network, and also a shout out to the work 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.719 that you do, James on the side. 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:31.839 Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I've see a lot more people 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:32.520 than me doing. 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:37.839 It of course. So the sad part is, even if 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:42.480 it started with some noble ideal the concept of liberal 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:47.040 cost of politanism today doesn't so much manifest in the 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:50.319 freedom of people, but more so in the freedom of 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:55.239 markets and money, the globalization of markets and money. So 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:58.840 we will bring McDonald's and Netflix to your country, but 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.680 you can't come to our country, or will kill you. 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:13.960 Yeah, that's about it. 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:17.239 It was really interesting to like the moment I sort 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.680 of became aware of libertarian left politics was in the 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:23.160 early two thousands in the context of the movement against 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:27.319 like the G eight as it was then and at 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.360 the time it would be referred to in the legacy 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:33.680 media as like anti globalization right, which I don't think 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:36.680 it ever was right by definition, it was very global, 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:39.120 like you had people from all around the world tending 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:42.440 these protests and rallies and speeches as such, Like it 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.799 was a very global movement. The problem was not with 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:49.480 globalization costopolitanism internationalism. It was with the nature of neoliberal 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:53.080 capitalist globalization, which let capital move and stop people from moving. 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:58.680 Exactly. It's some old opposition sugg as the free reign 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:00.040 of exploitas across the. 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:04.759 Low Yeah, exactly, we let people take their money and 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.360 employ people at lower wages, but God forbid those people 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.880 ever want better for themselves or attempt to come somewhere 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.760 where they can materially benefit themselves doing the same labor 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:14.320 in a different nation, for instance. 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:17.080 Yeah, And to be honest with you, I've never really 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:21.760 been a respect of borders. I think they're just I 0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:26.800 think they are really really blatantly foolish imposition. I don't 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.320 even think you need to be a radical to see 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:34.120 the issue with this idea that your sor one point 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:35.880 has to determine your entire future. 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:38.240 Yeah, that some. 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:41.520 People in the past could cut up the earth and 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.400 then decide where you can roam freely. 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:48.000 Yeah, I think anyone. I see a lot more from 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.240 people who are not by any means radical or even 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.720 on the left, like this, like within Europe, right within 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.800 the Shanngen area, which the UK has decided to remove 0:57:56.800 --> 0:58:00.720 itself from for reasons that are largely racism, Like we 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:04.440 could move freely. When I grew up, my identity and 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:08.400 experience was much more European than necessarily British. Right, I 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.480 could go for the weekend to Spain if I wanted to, 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:12.800 or France, and flights were cheap then. 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:13.440 So it did. 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:16.240 Like I used to get on Friday night, take a 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.040 train to Belgium and raise my bike in Belgium and 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:21.440 come back on Sunday night, very very often, and like 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:23.520 you see it here too in San Diego, where like 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:27.800 the border is just a line and a delay. But 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:32.280 for most people, like we were a very binational community. Unfortunately, 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:35.640 the one way that that manifests itself is that the 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.080 cost of living in San Diego compares to the average 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:42.320 wage is vastly disparate because we have this over pressure 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.440 valve where like people can't afford it here, they can 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.640 live across the border where the cost of living is cheaper, 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:50.200 and that allows people to exploit working class people in 0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:51.720 both contexts sadly. 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.280 Right, Yeah, as you mentioned the UK, by the way, 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:57.760 I'm not sure if you've heard the news, but trend 0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:03.919 Ad has recently been imposed visa requirements by the UK. 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:04.919 Fuck sake. 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:10.320 Yeah really, thankfully we still have Shangani area access. Yeah, 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:13.959 but just recently the UK was like, due to yeah, 0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:19.520 the usual excuse people abusing the asylum seeking system that 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:23.720 they're not removed of visa exemption. So our colonizers have 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:27.480 now decided that you know, we don't want you to 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.120 move free in our country. We want you to pay. 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:32.440 And visas are not cheap Theyan ever cheap, especially when 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:36.000 there's no guarantee other than being accepted. Yep, it makes 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.080 it all the more frustrating. 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:42.000 Yeah, and like this just comes after the British government 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:46.040 attempting to deport Afro Caribbean migrant kmes, part of what 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:49.080 we call the wind Rush generation, which is just one 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:52.560 of the most disgusting and like, yeah, it just it 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:54.880 just wanted one of the most venopathetic things I've ever 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.080 seen a government do, Like these people who the UK 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.720 asked to come so that it could rebuild this economy 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:02.680 after Second World War, and then taking advantage of the 1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:04.520 fact that at that time there was no process for 1:00:04.560 --> 1:00:07.160 regularitation and then trying to deport these people who have 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:08.439 lived their whole lives in the UK. 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:09.800 It's just horrific. 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:15.120 Yeah, it is. It's horrific, it's frustrating, it's infury, it's 1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:16.000 in really yeah. 1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:17.360 Yeah, it makes me really angry. 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.920 Like if we didn't have a wind Rest generation, not 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:22.840 that like you need like popular music to justify their 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:24.720 existence as part of our community and they should be 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.240 able to stay. But we wouldn't have punk music if 1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:30.480 we wouldn't have scar music. We like so much of 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:35.000 what is like integral to even like quote unquoite British culture. 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:38.440 It actually came from these people because they are British 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:40.360 and they belong there. 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:41.280 Just as much as anyone else. 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:42.640 Yeah. 1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:44.840 I used to teach a class about music and colonial 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.240 culture and colonialism, which is why that comes to mind. 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:51.120 I actually missed an opportunity to go to the UK 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:55.120 earlier this year. I didn't want to pay the cost 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:59.720 to fly to go at that point in time. I 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:03.920 deeply regrets it because I'm like I could have gone. Honestly, 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:07.200 I think if you're the UK and your your country 1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:10.760 has stolen so much like I think the UK has 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:16.760 the least right or justification out of any country if 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:19.439 you had to concede that a country should be lost. 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:19.680 And I don't. 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:22.280 I don't give any country that concession. But if you 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:25.280 had to give that concession, you could be last to 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.360 receive that concession as far as I'm concerned. You don't 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:29.880 get to go on roam across the entire planet and 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:32.240 then shut yourself off. Yeah, you don't get to go 1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:35.120 on steel and pill fall from across the world, shuffle 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:39.560 it all into your national museum and then block people 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:40.400 from access in it. 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:41.120 Yeah. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.840 It is just like it's just the most clear and 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:47.200 pathetic like two level standard or whatever, and it like 1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:50.480 it's I mean, the UK has a very I'm sorry 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:52.720 you didn't get to visit in one sense, and I'm 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:54.280 sure we have lots of listeners who are in the UK. 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:57.600 Every time I'm home, I feel this like profound sense 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.720 of like post colonial melancholy that the UK it's just 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:04.080 sort of it's getting worse and worse and worse. 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:05.800 And the way. 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:09.840 Britain is responding is with our government blaming everyone else 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:15.880 and like trying to strip posterity. Yeah, stealing everything they 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.320 can just mass Yeah. 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:21.160 Yeah, I think that frustration for me as well as 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.120 that it's not to watch the country itself, although I 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:27.600 would have loved to have visited like Scotland and you know, 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.840 we Ls and that kind of thing, but and all 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:33.040 the stuff there is to see in London. But the 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.000 biggest frustration for me is that it's a it's a 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:39.200 connection point. You know, when you impose a visa like that, 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:42.040 you block people's connections other areas. One of the few 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:47.640 direct flights outside of this hemisphere you know, to the 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:52.120 European and African hemisphere is through a flight to the UK, 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:55.040 and so by adding that in position, it's like it's 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.400 like the world feels like it's being closed. 1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:59.160 Yeah, yeah, you can see that. 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:01.920 One more where there was almost a time in the 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:04.240 recent past where it felt like or the world was 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.240 opening up to people, you know, with the internet, the 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:09.520 rise of the Internet, and then you had, you know, 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.440 the introduction of things like the Shangan Agreement. Our access 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:16.080 the Shangan area was fairly recent. I think it was 1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:19.280 twenty fifteen we got that access. Yeah, okay, But to 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:21.640 go from that point to like just so quickly, you know, 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:27.720 the tide shifts. So now there's extremely hostile global order 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:31.120 towards something as fundamental as the movement of people. 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:33.640 Yeah, it's it, definitely. 1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:36.600 We definitely are entering it in like an era where 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:41.680 things are becoming more closed off again. Then many of 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:43.320 us grew up with right, many of us. You know, 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:46.640 I saw what most of my experience that I can 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.640 remember was being able to move freely through Europe and 1:03:49.680 --> 1:03:52.640 that's not the case anymore for British as citizens. Yeah, 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:54.840 Like it's getting visas and everything else is getting harder. 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:57.680 And harder to move around the world, and despite the 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:02.160 Internet somewhat connecting us like, our physical mobility is certainly 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:03.320 much more limited. 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:09.480 Indeed, I think the idea of cosmopolitanism, getting back to it, 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:12.560 I think it's valuable. I think, you know, the idea 1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:15.560 that we have obligations to others beyond just our mediate 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:19.480 affiliations is important. You know that human diversity is going 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:23.480 to be valued, not just tolerated. That that's fantastic. Carl Levy, 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:27.200 an anarchist scholar who wrote two pieces on cosmopolitanism that 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:30.280 a link in the show notes, has argued that anarchism's 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:34.960 history offers a third way between the hierarchical globalism of 1:04:35.160 --> 1:04:39.560 liberal cosmopolitanism, which relies on state driven global governance, and 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:44.320 exclusionary nationalism, which weaponizes identity and borders, often in service 1:04:44.360 --> 1:04:49.000 to the far right. And that third way that anarchism presents, 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.960 not third way in the sense of fascism, third way 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:55.840 in the sense of anarchist possibilities, is a kind of 1:04:55.880 --> 1:05:00.480 federated pluralism, the web of self organized groups that interact 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:04.840 freely without a central authority. This version isn't just theoretical. 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:08.240 We've seen it in recent history through antiglobalization protests, the 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:11.920 occupying movement, the Square movements in Egypt, Spain and beyond, 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:16.160 and so flawed. They show the potential, not yet fully realized, 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:21.320 for diverse place based struggles that remain connected through mutuality 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:25.600 and transnational solidarity. We have to avoid this sort of 1:05:25.760 --> 1:05:29.920 abstract universalism that can be found in cosmopolitan thought. We 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:34.600 must incorporate decolonial struggles and crown cosmopolitan practice in the 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:39.760 voluntary cooperation of people acted in solidarity across differences. Ultimately, 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:43.680 the question isn't whether anarchists should engage a cosmopolitanism, because 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:47.440 they always have. The real question is how anarchists can 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:52.280 cultivate a cosmopolitanism that is truly liberatory when the connect 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:57.760 struggles without eraise in difference, foster solidarity without enforcing uniformity, 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:02.760 and builds a world where cooperation and not domination, defines 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:08.040 our relationships. That's what happened today. All power to all 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:08.800 the people. 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:36.000 Peace, dark woke is back. Ten more years of liberal supremacy, 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:40.600 bankers in control in the great Nation of Canada. This 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:43.400 is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis, I'm joined 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:48.080 by James Stout. We are discussing the twenty twenty five 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:53.440 Canadian election, which I maybe slightly exaggerated in the opening there. 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:56.640 But the election did happen yesterday or two days ago. 1:06:56.680 --> 1:07:00.400 Whenever you're listening to this, I was up all day 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:06.000 on on CBC and on Elections Dot c A checking 1:07:06.080 --> 1:07:08.640 in on all the charts and all the stats to 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:12.400 see how this how this kind of upset election went, 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:16.280 and oh boy, did it did it go? James? How 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:18.840 much do you do you know about Canada and elections? 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:21.280 But both of these things are things that I have 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:25.160 some knowledge about. I've been to Canada twice. That's a 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:27.040 fellow Commonwealth member. 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:29.600 I guess, yeah, we are both citizens of the Commonwealth. 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:31.000 So there we go. 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:33.160 Just kind of have the Queen on the money. Queen 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:34.440 is dead, dead. 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:37.480 Queen Queen is dead, but yes, we do have Queen 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:38.400 on money money. 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:39.880 So that's another thing I understand. 1:07:40.000 --> 1:07:45.040 We have a parliamentary system like like yeah, liket do 1:07:45.080 --> 1:07:47.240 I say England or like Britain or UK. 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.640 It's a yeah, it's a United Kingdom I think would 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:54.080 be the institute that Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:56.680 Well we have one of those two, but it's less 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.080 confusing because it's just one country. We don't try to 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:02.560 be three countries like like you in the UK, Britain 1:08:02.560 --> 1:08:03.640 in England did. 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:06.400 Where a continent, let a mini continent. That's what we're 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:09.040 going for. We've left Europe where we run away to 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:10.560 the Caribbean slowly. 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:16.880 Oops. Yeah, luckily Canada is doing just fine. Debatable, but 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:21.880 certainly this election has has gone probably slightly better for 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.960 global stability in stopping the advance of far at populism 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:29.519 than certainly what it looked a few months ago. Yeah, 1:08:29.600 --> 1:08:32.160 for people wh don't know, Yes, Canada has a parliamentary system. 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:35.759 People do not elect the prime minister directly. They elect 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:38.960 the MP in their district, which is called a writing. 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:42.920 It's a first past the post system, so whoever gets 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:46.320 the most votes in each writing they get their representatives. 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:50.120 Since to Parliament, the party with the most representatives they 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:52.920 take control of the government and that is who the 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:55.599 Prime Minister is. And the next Prime Minister of Canada 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:59.760 will be Mark Karney, who assumed the prime minister rule 1:09:00.439 --> 1:09:04.439 like last month, winning the Liberal election after Justin Trudeau 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:09.280 resigned in January. And before we get into some of 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:12.400 the results, at first a little bit of an election. 1:09:12.560 --> 1:09:15.439 Kind of background. So Liberals have been in power for 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:19.400 nearly a decade, slowly getting less and less popular as 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:22.160 the cost of living has risen. Less election in twenty 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:25.960 twenty one, the Liberals kept their minority government, but the 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:29.240 leader of their party, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, continued 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:32.160 to decline in popularity. By the end of twenty twenty 1:09:32.200 --> 1:09:35.200 four's approval rating was just twenty two percent or net 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:39.320 negative fifty two. Conservatives were up twenty five points in 1:09:39.320 --> 1:09:41.639 the polls. It was a near certainty that they would 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:45.840 sweep the next election. Trudeau announced his resignation on January sixth, 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:47.920 kind of the January sixth of Canada, if you think 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:51.599 about it. Former banker Mark Karney won the party election 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:55.600 in March of twenty twenty five. Carney quickly called for 1:09:55.680 --> 1:09:58.439 an election to write off the peak of anti Trump 1:09:58.520 --> 1:10:02.680 sentiment sweeping across Canada. This was following Trump's talk of 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:06.320 annexing Canada and the global trade war and tariffs directed 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:11.479 at the American neighbor upstairs, next door, I don't know, yeah, 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:15.800 downstairs south, No from America. It's a oh I see yeah, okay, 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:18.479 yeah from yeah, got it. Understand, which is maybe a 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:20.599 northern standpoint, but who cares. 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:21.479 Now. 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:26.360 This election or an election, would have happened by October 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:29.720 twenty twenty five regardless, but calling it early was a 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:32.200 smart move by Liberals as this was the first time 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:34.320 in three years that they had led in the polls. 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:38.200 Support for other third parties like the Keebuquad Bloc and 1:10:38.280 --> 1:10:42.120 the National Democratic Party the NDP had slowly been shifting 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:46.000 towards the Liberals and we saw this in the results 1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:50.559 Monday night. At this point, the Liberals are projected to 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:54.360 win one hundred and sixty eight seats, falling barely short 1:10:54.400 --> 1:10:58.840 of the one hundred and seventy two majority. There's still, 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.160 as a time of recording, still a possible path for 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:04.920 them gaining a majority government, but it's fairly unlikely. It'll 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:07.840 probably be a minority government. The Conservatives have one one 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:11.880 hundred and forty four seats, the Blackabiquah twenty three, and 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:15.920 the NDP a measly seven, with the Green Party snagging one. 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:20.800 Liberals also secured the largest vote share, forty three point 1:11:20.840 --> 1:11:24.040 six percent of the vote compared to the Conservatives forty 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:27.840 one point four percent, though because of a vote efficiency 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:30.720 basically how spread apart certain votes are. This has still 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:33.960 led to much more seats for the Liberals than the Conservatives. Right, 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:36.360 if you have more Conservatives voting in a district that's 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:40.280 going to go conservative anyway, those extra votes don't necessarily 1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:44.400 mean there's going to be more representation in Parliament. That's 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:45.799 the vote efficiency idea. 1:11:45.920 --> 1:11:49.000 Yeah, plus plus supposed to is a very bad system 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:52.160 as electoral systems go. It leads to an awful lot 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:56.120 of votes not counting for any representation. Like, for instance, 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:59.200 to Garrison Davis, party could have fifty one percent of votes. 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:00.439 In all writing and. 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:04.160 I could be there at forty nine and I would 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:06.240 get zero MPs base. 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:07.880 Hey sounds fine. 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:11.400 Sounds fine by me, Garrison Davis in control. 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.000 Well, this is kind of what happens in Canada. The 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:17.160 election system in Canada is pretty swayed towards the Liberals 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:19.600 because of how much more dispersed they are versus you know, 1:12:19.680 --> 1:12:23.439 most Conservative supporters in the Western provinces Saskatchewan, Alberta in 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:27.600 BC and a growing presence in Ontario. But yeah, the 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:29.880 Liberals kind of always get a bit of a boost 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:33.920 in the election. Now, we did have record high early 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:38.280 turnout in Canada, seven point three million people cast their 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:43.120 vote early during Easter week. The full turnout is higher 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:45.839 than it was the past few elections, but it matches 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:48.720 pretty much to the twenty fifteen election. So to get 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:51.639 a majority government you need one hundred and seventy two seats. 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:53.720 This allows you to not have to worry about like 1:12:53.760 --> 1:12:57.000 no confidence votes which trigger new elections, and you don't 1:12:57.080 --> 1:13:00.599 need to work with other parties to pass legislation. Now, 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:03.799 this will probably be a minority government, with the Libs 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:06.920 having to work with a small number of remaining in 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.639 DP and block seats to run the government, which one 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:13.719 could consider a good thing in terms of being pushed 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:18.960 maybe towards some better policies rather than just like liberal supremacy. 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:21.440 But it also in its government will be more unstable 1:13:21.600 --> 1:13:24.200 and it kind of gives the Conservatives more room to wiggle, 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:28.320 So it's definitely a mixed bag. As reporting first came 1:13:28.360 --> 1:13:31.519 in for Atlantic Canada, it showed that this would be 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:35.160 a tighter race than what the Liberals were hoping for. 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:39.320 During election night, it seemed Conservatives were on track to 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:42.680 pick up two seats in Newfoundland, though in the end 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:47.480 the Liberal incumbent barely kept their seat, beating the Conservative 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:52.640 challenger by twelve votes. In Terra Nova the Peninsulas. The 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:55.400 Libs did fare much better in Quebec, though they flipped 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:58.439 eleven seats. This was the best performance by Liberals in 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:02.640 Quebec in years now. Conservatives gained some seats from the 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:06.880 Liberals in Ontario under Doug Ford, with Conservatives flipping seats 1:14:06.920 --> 1:14:10.120 around the Toronto suburbs. One of the biggest stories of 1:14:10.120 --> 1:14:14.760 this election was just the complete NDP collapse the progressive 1:14:14.880 --> 1:14:19.759 kind of democratic socialist New Democratic Party. They're currently projected 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:23.320 to lose seventeen of their twenty four previously held seats. 1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:28.799 The NDP basically gave Carny this election. Jack Met Singh 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:32.439 lost his seat. That's the leader of the NDP. He 1:14:32.520 --> 1:14:35.799 lost his seat to Wade Chung, a Liberal, and stepped 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:39.400 down as leader on Monday night. Part of what makes 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:41.960 this such a big setback for the NDP is that 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:46.200 because they failed to win at least twelve seats, they 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:50.920 actually lose official party status in Parliament. Parties have to 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:52.800 win at least twelve seats to be recognized as an 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:55.479 official party in the House of Commons. Official parties get 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:58.680 to have offices in Parliament, extra staff, They get to 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:03.559 ask questions legislative sessions and can sit on committees. Now, 1:15:03.680 --> 1:15:06.479 the NDP did previously lose party status in nineteen ninety three, 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:09.919 winning only nine seats in that election, but this performance 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:13.519 was slightly worse, hitting only seven. So this is going 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:15.479 to be a big shake up. The NDP is going 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:19.160 to have to be forced to rebuild, which is maybe 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:22.880 necessary based on kind of a degree of NDP stagnation 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:26.200 the past decade. They're kind of caught in like twenty 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:31.599 seventeen politics in my opinion, though saying did lead them 1:15:31.640 --> 1:15:35.320 to pass some significant legislation and progressive policies do have 1:15:35.360 --> 1:15:38.880 a degree of popularity in Canada. The NDP was polling 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:41.360 about the same as the Liberals just three months ago. 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:45.040 The movement that we're seeing is from NDP voters scared 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:48.160 of Polyev and Trump, so they moved to Carney to 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:51.599 avoid splitting the left vote, as Carney was seen as 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:54.960 more capable of beating Polyiev than the NDP leader Sing 1:15:54.960 --> 1:15:59.040 and certainly justin Trudeau. Now, Funnily enough, some of this 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:03.040 quote unquote STRICTGIC voting actually did end up splitting the 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.679 vote in a place like b seen specifically Vancouver, which 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:11.720 recently has gone strongly NDP. But this year the Conservatives 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:15.280 were able to snag three seats because enough previous NDP 1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:18.760 voters ended up going liberal in an attempt to gain 1:16:18.800 --> 1:16:22.920 a Liberal majority, but that resulted in neither the NDP 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:26.840 nor the Liberal candidate actually individually getting enough votes to 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:31.280 win the riding. Let's talk about vote share compared to 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:36.000 the last twenty twenty one election, so Liberals did fairly 1:16:36.040 --> 1:16:39.599 well this election, especially compared to previous ones. They gained 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:42.200 over ten points compared to the last election in twenty 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:47.160 twenty one. Conservatives also didn't do badly actually like they 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:50.919 actually did. Okay, this certainly wasn't the result they were wanting, 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:54.439 but they did not do bad. They gained over seven 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:58.479 and a half points this race. Reliable Conservative voters still 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:02.080 voted conservative and they were able to siphon off some 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:06.320 support from other parties, with Conservatives doing slightly better than 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:09.639 what polling predicted, but a lot of very close races 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:13.840 across key districts. Now where all those extra votes or 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:17.559 vote movement is coming from is all of the third parties, 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.679 the Green Party and the Black EPIQUA both dropped over 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:24.160 a point. The far right People's Party dropped four points 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:29.759 and the NDP dropped eleven point six huge huge losses 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:33.360 for the NDP. Most of those voters probably going liberal, 1:17:33.720 --> 1:17:37.080 although some may just not have voted. One of the 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:40.800 more interesting parts about this election is that the Conservative 1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:47.360 Party leader Pierre Polliev lost his parliamentary seat. He lost 1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:52.360 to Liberal Bruce Fanjoy by about four thousand votes four 1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:55.240 point six percent of the vote. So this is going 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:57.720 to probably cause a bit of an upset in the 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:01.200 Conservative Party. There might be some maternal in over whether 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:05.080 Polyiev should continue as party leader, though he did not 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:10.400 step down from that position during his concession speech Monday night. James, 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:11.719 do you have do you have any thoughts here before 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:12.759 we pivot to ads. 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:15.680 It wouldn't be such a like scene, as such a 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:18.600 humiliation for the Conservatives if it wasn't for all the 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:22.519 polling until maybe like a couple of months ago. Right. 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:25.120 Yes, The reason why it's such an upset is because 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:29.040 they were like destined to win, as almost like divinely 1:18:29.080 --> 1:18:32.960 written into fate like three months ago, and the fact 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:36.320 that they fumbled this is gonna be like a massive, 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:39.000 like historical footnote, not even a footnote. This is like 1:18:39.040 --> 1:18:42.679 a historical topic. Is how the Conservatives fumbled this election? 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:46.040 Yeah, like people, the thing is that the Liberals want 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:49.240 despite people having been pissed off with them for a 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:53.200 long time and wanting something different. Yeah yeah, because people 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:54.960 would just like mad at Trump. 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:57.840 And we will talk more about the background of the 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:00.200 lead up to this race and in those dynamics that 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:15.120 James mentioned in the next segment after these ads. Okay, 1:19:15.200 --> 1:19:17.960 to talk more about the lead up to this race 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:22.280 and Trump's influence on this election, I talk with Lance 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:26.920 from the Serfs, of fellow Canadian who talks about politics 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:30.160 just as much as I do. So here is that 1:19:30.280 --> 1:19:33.080 interview that I recorded just a few hours before the 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:35.080 polls closed in Canada. 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:38.920 Hey, my name is Lance. I run a number of 1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:42.120 different channels, usually under the banner of the Serfs. There's YouTube, 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.760 dot Com, Slash, the Surf Times, and at the serf TV. 1:19:44.880 --> 1:19:49.559 On most other social media, I cover news, politics, internet slop, 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:52.280 usually from a dumpster fire like perspective. 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:57.960 And you're Canadian importantly, Yes, I am Canadian, but I 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:00.720 have been resigned to living in this States for quite 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:03.200 a while. I actually just had some Canadian family visit me, 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:06.040 and they kept making fun of me for living in 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:09.840 the States, specifically because the States are trying to, you know, 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:13.080 take Canadian territories seemingly. So now I'm getting a lot 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:16.759 of hate for my Canadian family members for living in America, 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:17.720 which is interesting. 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:20.439 I was gonna say, it's got to be a scary 1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:22.040 time to be living in the United States as a 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:23.080 Canadian citizen. 1:20:23.320 --> 1:20:25.880 A little bit, I am. I am dual, but we'll 1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:30.040 see how long that matters. So I want to talk 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:31.920 talk a little bit about kind of the background of 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:34.439 this election, because I think this is maybe the most 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:38.880 interesting Canadian election in the past ten years, specifically because 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:42.440 of how much the results have always felt it inevitable, 1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:47.479 but the actual results have like flip flop. Three months ago, 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:51.080 four months ago, I'm sure that me and you may 1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:56.080 may have predicted probably something resembling a conservative sweep. Not 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:57.520 to put words in your mouth. 1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:02.000 Well, Minorti or Jordi government led by the Conservatives, know 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:05.040 no question that that was where all the major polling 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:08.439 was trending. And then the exact opposite on this roller 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:13.440 coaster election in both directions. I think it's pretty easily explainable, 1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:16.280 especially to your American listeners who might have been wondering 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:19.280 what was happening. Essentially, the country had a combination of 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:23.559 burnout on Justin Trudeau and the person who replaced Justin Trudeau, 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:28.120 Mark Carney, effectively took the number one campaign it was 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:31.559 the actual campaign slogan of the Conservatives away from him 1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:34.439 immediately after being crowned the new leader of the Liberal Party, 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:37.519 which was ax the tax, which is what you know, 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:40.960 fascist Millhouse, who we call Pierre Polievro over here. That 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:43.400 was his big campaign promise, the Conservatives were going to 1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:46.320 ax the carbon tax, and that had a lot of 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:48.759 people excited, a lot of people didn't like Justin Trudeau. 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:50.800 And then along comes Mark Carney and he takes both 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:53.000 of those things away from the Conservatives. He's not Justin 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:55.680 Trudeau and he acts the tax and so they had 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:58.880 to kind of completely reset. And this was before the 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:02.280 wild card of Trump shows up. Yeah, which of course 1:22:02.600 --> 1:22:05.640 now is airing not only Canada but the world. I 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:07.559 would say like most countries now are kind of having 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.800 to completely reset how they think and want to do 1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:12.440 geopolitics into the future because of his policies. 1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:14.559 Well, and I know, like a decent chunk of the 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:17.639 Alberta economy is now in great jeopardy because they can't 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:20.120 self fuck Trudeau merchandise. 1:22:21.840 --> 1:22:24.200 Which was propping up their entire economy outside of the oil. 1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:27.200 Yeah. Well, you know, if you ignore the oil, which 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:29.360 will probably be fine. Yeah, yeah, I guess you could 1:22:29.400 --> 1:22:31.800 talk a little bit about kind of what led to 1:22:32.320 --> 1:22:36.360 this universal hatred of Justin Trudeau in like the past 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:39.040 like like five years, just like ever so briefly. 1:22:39.000 --> 1:22:43.920 Yeah, for conservatives, a lot of it really became increasingly 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:47.439 more intense with COVID, and I think internationally there was 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:52.080 an association with very basic safety protocols and tyranny. So 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:54.840 I guess some people the United States and Canada both 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:56.479 saw the idea of wearing a mask gra having to 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:59.880 wash their hands as some sort of dictatorship akin to 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:02.320 some of the worst war crimes ever committed on any population. 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:05.400 That made a schism happen, where a de sentiment kind 1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:09.360 of really started accelerating towards less of you know, blaming 1:23:09.360 --> 1:23:11.439 Trudeau for everything, kind of like Obama that used to 1:23:11.479 --> 1:23:15.840 be a joke, like a Trudeau to actual fuck Trudeau merchandise, 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:18.840 and the idea of you know, Trudeau being an enemy 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:21.479 of the state and a communist dictator that was on 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:23.679 the right side of things. On the left side of things, 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:27.040 everyone got burnt out from Trudeau because the performative progressive 1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:31.280 politics of his entire character. He was very vocal about 1:23:31.320 --> 1:23:33.120 standing up for a lot of issues that on one 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:35.280 end he would you know, pretend to care about, such 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:38.000 as indigenous rights, land backs, stuff like that, and then 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.800 he would be suing the survivors of residential schools in 1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:42.960 federal court to try and prevent them from getting too 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.160 much money from the federal government. So there was a 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:49.080 lot of Trudeau seems to performatively enjoy being perceived as 1:23:49.080 --> 1:23:52.600 someone who's enlightened and progressive and trying to steer you know, 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:55.200 the society and a good direction where his policies are 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:59.000 effectively exacerbating wealth and equality very rapidly, because that's effectively 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:01.160 what you get with neoliberal centrists, right. 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:04.160 Yeah, I mean, like to go back to that COVID thing. 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:07.679 Like I was in Calgary in like spring of twenty 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:10.320 twenty two, and I was getting like made fun of 1:24:10.960 --> 1:24:14.080 in like bars and clubs for like wearing a mask 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:17.920 at that point in time, like and that is that 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:20.439 is Alberta. But yeah, no, that was definitely like strong. 1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:22.880 We certainly saw degrees of that here in the States 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:25.360 as well, but yeah, you know, it's a little bit 1:24:25.360 --> 1:24:27.840 of that. Like general anti incumbent sentiment was growing so 1:24:27.920 --> 1:24:30.200 much last year, which which we saw levied against the 1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:33.680 Democrats in the States and certainly against the Liberals. And 1:24:33.760 --> 1:24:35.720 the way that the Liberals in Canada have kind of 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:38.599 been able to maneuver away from that in the way 1:24:38.600 --> 1:24:41.880 that like the Democrats haven't is super interesting. It's not 1:24:41.920 --> 1:24:46.920 necessarily like replicable, especially for US politics, but it's still 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:49.559 as interesting, I guess. Like on the Conservative side, their 1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:52.240 leadership changed in twenty twenty two. 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:55.559 Right, yeah, I think so it was it was twenty 1:24:55.600 --> 1:24:58.160 two or twenty three, but I believe it was around them. 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:04.639 That's when Holly they became leader of the Conservative Party, 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:08.000 which is like you know, closed ranks and like coalesced 1:25:08.080 --> 1:25:11.360 the past ten to five years or so, and they've 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:14.200 been they've been gaining a large it had been gaining 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:16.920 you know, a large degree of popularity the past two 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:20.640 three years, not necessarily because of who their party leader is, 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:23.800 but because they are simply not the Liberal Party at 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:25.240 least That's kind of what it seemed like to me, 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:28.880 because like, approval ratings for Paul of Aara's never been 1:25:28.920 --> 1:25:32.760 like great, but the Conservative Party has still been gaining popularity, 1:25:32.840 --> 1:25:34.880 at least previous to the past few months. 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:37.360 Yeah, I don't want to play, you know, give the 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:39.800 far right any kind of kudos or points, but I 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:42.559 think from an analytical standpoint, something that people should realize 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:44.760 is that within the last i'd say year and a 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.400 half or so, Pierre was really really effective at doing 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:49.559 faux populism in a way that a lot of people 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.200 were starting to get very worried about. Yeah, and that 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:53.879 he was starting to see a lot about the working class, 1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:57.280 you know, the housing crisis in the country and the 1:25:57.400 --> 1:25:59.720 fact that the Liberals are out of touch elites who 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:03.160 only care about enriching themselves, and you know a lot obviously, 1:26:03.200 --> 1:26:05.080 you'd have a lot of the right wing kind of 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:09.439 nebulous terms like woke ideology being tied into that kind 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:11.840 of stuff. But he was for a long time kind 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:14.200 of starting to gain a lot of ground and traction 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:18.160 as more of a moderate style conservative who was concerned 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:22.559 with helping the working class, which is astonishing considering the 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:26.040 man is a lifelong politician like that, that is who 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:27.880 he is. He was making fun of people like the 1:26:27.960 --> 1:26:30.360 leader of the Social Democrats here, drug bet Singh. He 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:32.000 was making fun of him for just working for a 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:34.160 pension and not even caring about the people or the 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:37.200 working class. The man is never marched with the union. 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:39.280 I'm talking about Pierre. He's never marched with the union. 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:42.120 He is a you know, his voting track record is 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:45.759 decidedly anti worker. It's decidedly exacerbating wealth in the quality. 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:48.080 Has worked his entire life to make houses more expensive. 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:52.640 But marketing and branding really work, especially like you know, 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:55.679 there's compilation clips of him saying things that are JK 1:26:55.880 --> 1:26:59.599 rallying tier in terms of both their nonsensicalness, like talking 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:03.519 about how electricity is crafted by harnessing the power of 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:06.960 the lightning bolts into the wire that the electrician holds up. 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:10.960 Very cool, Yeah, very cool for like powers. 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:14.040 I'm on board, but like, unfortunately that's just not how 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:17.799 we usually generate power in this but like it works 1:27:18.040 --> 1:27:19.920 on some people. They like to see a man who 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:23.760 fakes owlean like different kinds of wood and tools, you know, 1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:25.120 like at Tucker Carlson esque. 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:26.799 Yeah, I've got a wood shop. 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:28.720 In my back and it's like that, Well, no, I 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:30.840 think this is the first time you've ever seen that lumber, sir. 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:34.320 But as you know, again, some voters, they really started 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:38.479 his rebranding in that respect actually worked pretty successful for yeah, 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:40.599 the last year and a half against Trudeau. 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:43.000 Yeah, he had a pretty substantial makeover the past the 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:47.080 past few years to make himself like presentable in this way. Yeah, 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:50.120 very like Carlson esque, very like Ben Shapiro goes to 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:53.400 home depot and gets some wood. It's definitely pulling from 1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:56.400 that vein, although maybe a bit more successfully and like, 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.800 at least from my perspective, it feels like the degree 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:03.000 to which Pierre kind of hitched himself to like the 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:06.000 Trump populist wagon the past few years, especially like with 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:09.559 like sentiments like growing in like the Western provinces, that 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:12.479 kind of mirrors some of the Trumpian rhetoric, that type 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:15.280 of stuff was getting popularity. And now because he put 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:17.280 if not all his eggs, but some of his eggs 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:20.479 in the Trump basket, this is like backfired in like 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:23.879 popular opinion when it comes to his ability to succeed 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:27.240 as like a politician and like gaining support because We've 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:30.439 seen so much anti Trump polarization based on like the 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:34.320 fifty first state stuff based on the tariffs, and like 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:37.400 Carnie has been able to weaponize that pretty effectively against 1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:41.439 against Pierre absolutely like it. Initially, like the way like 1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:44.720 popularity points shifted was like by like twenty points, which 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:47.479 was like huge. Those have gotten closer, But. 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:49.640 I think it's one of the biggest reversals or if 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:53.640 not the biggest reversal Incadian political history. Was the dominating 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:55.519 lead they had from having it almost an a shirt 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:59.040 majority to now perhaps losing to a liberal majority, which 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:00.640 again is unheard of. 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:01.160 Yeah. 1:29:01.439 --> 1:29:03.760 One thing that people are also kind of missing is 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:07.160 that he also really closely started associating himself with Elon 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:12.360 Musk prior to leader of you know, the US or 1:29:12.400 --> 1:29:14.840 whatever you want to call him, the real president of 1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:18.240 the United States. But he had a number of rallies 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:21.720 and on the record praising Elon Musk prior to Elon Musk. 1:29:21.760 --> 1:29:24.479 This was pre Elon Musk overt Nazi era kind of 1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:26.559 more just like Nazi light era version Nazi. 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:28.960 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:31.840 But around that time, Pierre was asked, like what do 1:29:31.880 --> 1:29:34.479 you think about being endorsed and praised by Elon Musk, 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:37.280 and you know, he started making jokes about how his 1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:39.519 kids want to go to Mars, so that's pretty cute, 1:29:39.600 --> 1:29:42.200 and started talking about how he wants Elon Musk to 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:45.519 build more factories and plants in Canada. Well that's all 1:29:45.560 --> 1:29:47.599 really coming back to hurt him now, because the very 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:50.720 idea of there being a stronger Tesla presence in the 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:54.080 country is decidedly rejected by the populace. Like, you know, 1:29:54.120 --> 1:29:55.960 the protests that are going on in the United States 1:29:55.960 --> 1:29:58.559 against Tesla's are going on here as well. Maybe not 1:29:58.600 --> 1:30:02.360 as large scale or perhaps as fire based, but a 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:04.599 lot of them are occurring here, and so like that 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:06.720 I think is also really hurting him. So there's been 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:09.679 this really funny, strange political dance that's kind of happened 1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:12.120 in the last couple of months where everyone is trying 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:14.920 to say Trump loves you more. It's like a circular 1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:17.559 fine squad. Like at one point the Conservatives were trying 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:20.840 to market themselves to saying Trump was making fun of 1:30:21.120 --> 1:30:24.679 Pierre in this clip, so look he hates Pierre more. Yeah, 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:26.760 And then another it was like oh no, no, no, look 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:30.120 he's talking a lot of smack about Mark Karney. He 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:32.679 hates Mark Carney Moore, so that that has actually become 1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:35.960 a very strong dynamic of the Canadian election is who 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:38.560 exactly does Trump like Moore? And that's not going to 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:40.519 be good for you if it turns out you're the one. 1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:42.360 I guess I'd like to talk a little bit now 1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:45.680 at the end here about Mark Karney himself and kind 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:48.479 of what this means for the Liberal Party. He was 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:50.080 the Governor of the Bank of Canada starting in to 1:30:50.200 --> 1:30:52.360 US in eight then he became governor of the Bank 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:57.080 of England and managed them through the Brexit fiasco. Brexit 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:59.479 was not his idea. He was not pro Brexit, but 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:01.640 he just had and to be holding the reins of 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:04.880 of the Bank of England during that time period. Returned 1:31:05.000 --> 1:31:09.040 to Canada, has served as like an informal advisor to 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:12.200 Trudeau and now is the is the leader of the 1:31:12.240 --> 1:31:15.719 Liberal Party. He's a very I don't know, he tries 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:17.880 to like project this sense of like he's like a 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:21.519 like like a reasonable man, which which which he you know, 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:23.720 in some ways is like he's like he's like kind 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:27.120 of boring. He works in banking, right, like he's he's 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:31.080 not like overtly charismatic, but he doesn't have like the 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:35.680 the like youthful, like bumbling presence of like Trudeau. Like 1:31:35.840 --> 1:31:38.560 he just he seems he seems kind of basic. I 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:38.960 don't know. 1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:45.040 Uh yeah, I mean that's a good way putting it. Yeah, 1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:46.840 you're you're totally right. I mean we're talking about a 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:50.040 lifelong banker. I mean, he's even worked for gold Mill Sacks. 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:54.320 He has a yes, a very long and sordid Uh well, 1:31:54.439 --> 1:31:56.640 I mean, in some view, it depends on your worldview, right, 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:58.800 if you were as a person who thinks that the 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:02.840 solution going forward, especially in the face of actual manifesting fascism, 1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:08.280 is more neoliberal policies, austerity and measures, then you might 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:10.960 be very, very excited to perhaps get your own, like 1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:14.639 honestly Joe Biden style election here, where we are once 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:18.479 again going to be choosing centre to center right economic 1:32:18.520 --> 1:32:22.439 policies that are going to undoubtedly exacerbate wealth and equality more. 1:32:22.840 --> 1:32:24.640 They are not going to solve the housing crisis. The 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:28.439 housing crisis of Canada, while it is portrayed constantly as complex, 1:32:28.640 --> 1:32:31.400 really goes down to fundamentally, there are a lot of houses, 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:33.320 but there are also a lot of houses being built 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:36.680 in luxury markets that most people can't afford. Speculation is 1:32:36.720 --> 1:32:41.200 not addressed, and so speculation usually gets blamed on foreign investors, 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.120 which in turn kind of brings up the whole immigration fears, 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:47.200 which are very successful. But with Carney, I mean, I 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:49.920 don't see anything dramatic. Not only did he acts the 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:52.800 carbon tax when he was in power initially, and that 1:32:52.920 --> 1:32:55.880 was again, I think, strategically to remove the power the 1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:58.559 Conservatives had on that policy. He also is getting rid 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:00.840 of the capital gains tax again is just going to 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:04.120 be funneling more money towards the ultra wealthy in Canada. 1:33:04.200 --> 1:33:07.200 So the problem for me is that, if anything, I'm 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:09.160 happy that Pierre it looks like he might not win. 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:10.920 I don't know what by the time people are listening 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.640 to this, what the results are. But I also recognize 1:33:13.680 --> 1:33:16.799 that this does not solve these crises for simply putting 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:20.479 band aids on a pause before you know, finally a 1:33:20.560 --> 1:33:24.240 Trump of our own gets elected and then yes, people 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:26.800 after the facts start realizing, oh my god, he's doing 1:33:26.800 --> 1:33:28.559 a lot of the horrifying things that he promised he 1:33:28.560 --> 1:33:31.439 would do. He's actually trying to enact Project twenty twenty five, 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:33.920 all these terrible things are happening. Well, I mean, if 1:33:33.920 --> 1:33:35.800 this was an election where it looked like Pierre was 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:37.720 going to win, I would say he is going to 1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:40.160 follow through on all the aggressive measures and more that 1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:42.760 he's promising right now, which include, you know, suspending the 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:44.920 Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to people that he 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:48.920 deems should be worthy of receiving freedoms, specifically because, like 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:52.160 Donald Trump, he wants to begin silencing people for their 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:55.639 speech in relation to protesting against Israel and their genocide 1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:58.160 of Palacidians, especially if you are an immigrant toward someone 1:33:58.200 --> 1:34:01.559 on a student visa, and these policies, you can see 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:03.960 they're a disaster after the fact, and people I think 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:06.040 wake up to them like Americans are right now when 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:08.840 they realize Trump's actually doing it. But you know, make 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:13.280 no mistake, it doesn't require, you know, too long of 1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:15.760 the increase and we ought wealth and equality for people 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.120 to look for an answer because they're not being listened 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:18.880 to by the libs. 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:19.920 Are the liberals here? No? 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.280 It is interesting that how much this election has almost 1:34:22.320 --> 1:34:26.880 mirrored the American two party system with the block QEBUQUA 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:30.400 as well as the MDP, like probably most likely right 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:32.360 this is before the results, but probably going to be 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:35.559 losing seats to both the Liberals and the Conservatives. Yes, 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:37.120 and like I think like a big part of this 1:34:37.720 --> 1:34:40.360 election I think is similarly looking back in the past 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:42.080 ten years, is how much I think the NDP is 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:45.360 frankly fumbled and probably needs to do a major overhaul 1:34:45.439 --> 1:34:49.639 to really regain trust in the voters. And yeah, it's 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:51.680 going to be tough because I think, like for the 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:54.080 progressives in Canada, it's kind of been convenient for the 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:56.200 Liberals to have a minority government because then they need 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:57.720 to work with ENDPT. 1:34:57.400 --> 1:34:58.760 And they've gotten the law accomplished. 1:34:58.760 --> 1:35:01.400 To be fair to Chuck Means, and you know, they're 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:05.000 for American listeners, the Social Democratic Party of Canada, they 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:07.800 accomplished some great things working in a minority government setting, 1:35:07.840 --> 1:35:12.799 including a pharmacare program, including a federal feeding program for children, 1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:16.280 a school lunch program, you know, working on paid families 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:18.240 sickly even extending it. So they've done a lot of 1:35:18.240 --> 1:35:20.640 good and sort of enacting progressive policies. But it's the 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:23.760 Liberals who are also equally as good at taking credit 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:25.479 for all the things that people have come to really 1:35:25.520 --> 1:35:27.559 like such as having dental care for the first time 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:29.760 and having cheaper farmercare and stuff like that. 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.840 Thanks to Lance again for talking with me about the 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:36.519 Canadian election. It's time for one more ad break and 1:35:36.600 --> 1:35:50.960 we'll come back to discuss the future of the Canadian government. Okay, 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:54.280 we are back. Let's talk a little bit more about 1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:58.479 Trump's undue influence in the twenty twenty five Canadian election, 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.360 because it is a little bit for a foreign leader 1:36:01.439 --> 1:36:06.080 to be exerting this much influence in the votes of 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:10.439 you know, a separate country. Now, this was an election 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:15.360 that was previously about liberal stagnation and wanting change in 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:19.679 economic policy. This was kind of leading the Conservative popular 1:36:19.720 --> 1:36:24.080 support the past two three years. And very suddenly this 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:27.759 whole election changed and it became about who Canada trusted 1:36:27.840 --> 1:36:32.600 to oppose Trump and who Canadians wanted to be like 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:36.000 the face of Canada in this new like global trade 1:36:36.040 --> 1:36:40.479 war and this fight against a hostile neighbor. And Trump 1:36:40.560 --> 1:36:46.000 did not help this. On election morning, Trump released his 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:51.000 statement basically endorsing himself as the leader of Canada. 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:54.600 Oh great, saying quote. 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:56.800 Good luck to the great people of Canada. Elect the 1:36:56.840 --> 1:36:59.120 man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your 1:36:59.160 --> 1:37:01.879 taxes in half in increase their military power for free 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:07.000 to the highest level in the world. Have your car, steel, aluminum, lumber, energy, 1:37:07.040 --> 1:37:09.360 and all our businesses quadruple in size with the zero 1:37:09.479 --> 1:37:13.439 tariffs or taxes. If Canada becomes the cherished fifty first 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:18.120 state of the United States of America, oh no more. 1:37:18.200 --> 1:37:20.960 Artificially drawn the line from a many years ago. Look 1:37:21.000 --> 1:37:23.960 how beautiful this land mass would be, free access with 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:27.719 no border, all positives, with no negatives. It was meant 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:31.400 to be. America can no longer subsidize Canada with hundreds 1:37:31.439 --> 1:37:33.559 of billions of dollars a year that we've been spending 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:37.240 in the past. It makes no sense unless Canada is 1:37:37.280 --> 1:37:38.280 a state man. 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:40.000 Trump the border abolitionist. 1:37:42.000 --> 1:37:45.920 This is the rhetoric that really produced a liberal victory. 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:48.400 And Trump did kind of back off this stuff in 1:37:48.439 --> 1:37:50.880 the past few weeks. And it's very funny to see 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:53.280 him go like full throttle the morning of the election 1:37:53.360 --> 1:37:56.160 in case anyone was like on the fence about whether 1:37:56.320 --> 1:38:00.400 they really was worrying about like Trump. This just this 1:38:00.479 --> 1:38:03.479 says like such a crazy hell Mary. And we can 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:07.840 see this in some polling stats on Trump's Inauguration day, 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:11.320 the Conservatives in Canada were leading forty four point eight 1:38:11.400 --> 1:38:13.880 percent in the polls, compared to the Liberals twenty one 1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:18.160 point nine percent and the NDP's seventeen point six But 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:21.160 as Liberals searched for a new leader and as Trump 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:25.960 took office, the Conservative lead slowly started to slip. The 1:38:25.960 --> 1:38:29.120 President began referring to Canada as the fifty first state, 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:33.160 called the prime minister quote unquote governor, and threatened to 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:36.960 impose huge tariffs to stop a non existent fentanyl smuggling 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:41.800 crisis through the Canadian US border. By April, the Conservative 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:45.280 lead had fully flipped over to the Liberals, who rose 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:47.760 to forty four percent in the polls, Conservatives falling to 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:51.559 thirty seven percent and the NDP around eight point five. 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:55.040 And these are pretty close to the final results. This 1:38:55.160 --> 1:38:58.200 number is very accurate for liberal support. Conservatives got a 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:00.439 little bit more than thirty six percent of the vote 1:39:00.520 --> 1:39:02.680 and NDP got a little bit less than this eight 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:07.240 point five. This is according to data from CBC and ABAGUS. 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:12.280 This was very much a leader's election, meaning that one 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:15.120 of the biggest factors driving votes was who people wanted 1:39:15.120 --> 1:39:19.200 the prime minister to be and Mark Carney is much 1:39:19.280 --> 1:39:21.880 more popular despite being kind of an unknown figure, which 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:25.519 kind of actually helps in popularity. Carney's was so much 1:39:25.520 --> 1:39:29.360 more popular than Poliev. The past three months, Carney has 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:34.520 steadily gained in popularity, getting forty six percent approval, whereas 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:38.680 Polyiev has slowly declined in popularity. I talked about this 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:40.880 a little bit with Lance, but the degree to which 1:39:40.880 --> 1:39:43.920 he's aligned himself with this like anti woke, like far 1:39:44.040 --> 1:39:47.280 right populism rhetoric really bit him in the ass these 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:51.439 past few months. He would have done fine against Trudeau, certainly, 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:54.439 he was really writing auth that like anti incumbent wave, 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:59.400 but he is not like a loved figure across Canadian politics, 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:04.200 even among some conservatives. The two most important factors driving 1:40:04.400 --> 1:40:07.719 Canadians vote, according to Abacus, was reducing cost of living 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:11.320 and dealing with Donald Trump. Younger voters seem to be 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.160 more focused on cost of living and changing policy around 1:40:14.200 --> 1:40:17.840 fifty seven percent of voters eighteen to twenty nine, while 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:21.679 older voters around fifty six percent of boomers were more 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:24.840 concerned about stopping Trump. The very first topic in the 1:40:24.880 --> 1:40:28.680 Canadian Prime minister debate was tariffs and US threats to 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:31.840 Canadian sovereignty. This is seen as like a very real 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:36.320 issue up there, and like hatred against the US is 1:40:36.880 --> 1:40:41.360 genuinely growing, Like people are very upset. Canadians are very 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:44.320 upset about what Trump and the US has been doing. 1:40:44.520 --> 1:40:48.320 It's being seen as like a genuine like intense betrayal. 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:51.919 The by Canada movement's been gaining a lot of support 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:54.760 with people trying to only purchase Canadian products and this 1:40:54.800 --> 1:40:58.040 has resulted in a real cultural moment in Canada united 1:40:58.080 --> 1:40:59.479 against the United States. 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:04.720 It's genuinely remarkable, Like the Canada of the US have 1:41:04.760 --> 1:41:07.120 always had pretty good relations for it. Well not a 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:08.200 waste they have. 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:11.720 Well ever since that one, that one, yeah, yeah, no 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:14.840 one time, yeah, but the things they have improved it 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:17.800 in and like it's what's also remarkable is it seems 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:19.519 to be having an effect in Australia as well. 1:41:19.680 --> 1:41:22.280 And if you've seen that, but like I think I 1:41:22.320 --> 1:41:24.080 saw an ad the other day that just said, doesn't 1:41:24.080 --> 1:41:28.120 wants to make Australia like America, like straight up, you 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:29.719 know this is our Trump and he wile to align 1:41:29.800 --> 1:41:32.439 with Trump. Like yeah, it's incredible. 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:34.559 The degree which Trump doing this global trade war has 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:38.800 catalyzed negative sentiments around this, like far right populism, global 1:41:39.040 --> 1:41:41.680 global wave that we've been seeing has really been a 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:46.040 boon to neoliberalch enemy the past few mins. 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:49.240 You'll see like any I mean obviously, like I take 1:41:49.360 --> 1:41:52.800 voter interviews in like legacy media with a huge pinch 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:56.000 of salt right, it's pretty easy to find someone who 1:41:56.000 --> 1:41:58.400 wants to say what you want them to say. And often, 1:41:58.520 --> 1:42:01.120 you know, certainly some of the US interviews are just 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:03.880 been ridiculous, but like people saying, Oh, I just want 1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:05.840 to go back to how it was, Like I want 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:07.959 to go back to you know, the things that we're 1:42:08.080 --> 1:42:11.240 used to. And obviously Trump is trending that for a 1:42:11.280 --> 1:42:13.439 lot of people, and like in a very negative way. 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:16.599 And so you and as Garrison said, like the politics 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:20.280 of personality is becoming more important, like voting specifically for 1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:25.439 individuals who they think will have like the negotiating ability 1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:28.960 or just bravery or like whatever it is to stand 1:42:29.040 --> 1:42:29.599 up to Trump. 1:42:29.720 --> 1:42:33.120 Right, Yeah, And like in Canada, I think it's less 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:37.280 personality driven, like actually Canadians are very against personality politics. Yeah, 1:42:37.280 --> 1:42:40.640 I guess it's more like competency driven. And this is 1:42:40.640 --> 1:42:43.920 where Carney was really able to succeed. It's because he's 1:42:44.000 --> 1:42:47.080 not a compelling personality, but he is like a professional, 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:50.080 and that is why he was elected. Carneie helped Canada 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:52.040 whether the two US and eight financial collapse better than 1:42:52.040 --> 1:42:55.280 almost any other Western nation. He is genuinely good at 1:42:55.280 --> 1:42:59.479 his job of being like a neoliberal, like bank economy guy, 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:03.840 and specifically with these tariffs. This is the guy that 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:07.920 you want to handle this global trade crisis because this 1:43:08.000 --> 1:43:09.760 is like what he has done his entire life. He's 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:12.120 never been elected to office before. He is just an 1:43:12.200 --> 1:43:15.640 economy guy. And we saw this in like head to 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:20.680 heead matchups with Carnie versus Polier, rating certain things like 1:43:21.200 --> 1:43:24.240 finding common ground to solve a dispute, where carne was 1:43:24.439 --> 1:43:27.639 twelve points ahead, standing up to a bully, Carney's eight 1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:31.679 points ahead, managing household expenses Carney six points ahead. Sitting 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:35.639 beside you on a long airplane flight, Carneie six points ahead. 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:40.559 Captaining a ship through a rough storm Carnee five points ahead. 1:43:40.600 --> 1:43:44.360 That's what you need, You need a seafarer five ahead 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:45.599 on seafaring. 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:49.600 Hosting the best party Carney one point ahead. And you 1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:50.320 will see. 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:52.759 It's this reminiscent of that like was it like Tim 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:57.960 the plumber shit from like the bush Pailian election, like 1:43:58.040 --> 1:43:59.479 the people I would want to have a beer with. 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:01.439 Well, this is the The funny thing is is the 1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:03.760 Conservatis are still better in like those types of like 1:44:03.880 --> 1:44:08.559 physical things like putting out a kitchen fire, polyev is 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:12.080 up to and putting up a shelf. Polyev's up six. 1:44:12.560 --> 1:44:17.439 This's the only two ones specured where the conservative candidate 1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:20.120 edged out the liberals is putting out a kitchen fire 1:44:20.160 --> 1:44:22.320 and putting up a shelf. But all other things like 1:44:22.479 --> 1:44:26.280 solving disputes, standing up to bowlies, managing like expenses like 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:30.479 household expenses. Carnee Carne came out. I'm gonna read a 1:44:30.520 --> 1:44:35.400 few lines from Carney's celebration acceptance speech here, and I'm 1:44:35.439 --> 1:44:37.320 just gonna read them and not play clips because he 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:40.559 blends English and French and that's gonna be annoying. No 1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:44.439 offense to our French speakers out there. Yeah, Garrison, it's 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:46.680 gonna be annoying to play for a podcast. It's not 1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:52.280 gonna do for quote. America wants our land, our resources, 1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:55.960 our water, our country. These are not idle threats. President 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:58.559 Trump is trying to break us. So America can own 1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:02.599 us that will never happen. We are once again at 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:06.000 one of those hinge moments of history. Our old relationship 1:45:06.000 --> 1:45:09.560 with the United States, relationship based on steadily increasing integration, 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:13.559 is over. The system of open global trade anchored by 1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:15.840 the United States, a system that Canada has relied on 1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:18.959 since the Second World War, a system that, while not perfect, 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:23.200 has helped deliver prosperity for a country for decades, is over. 1:45:23.880 --> 1:45:26.760 But it is also our new reality. We are over 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:29.360 the shock of the American betrayal, but we should never 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:31.839 forget the lessons. We have to look out for ourselves 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:33.760 and above all, we have to take care of each other. 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:36.280 When I sit down with President Trump, it will be 1:45:36.360 --> 1:45:39.920 to discuss the future economic and security relationship between two 1:45:40.120 --> 1:45:43.240 sovereign nations, and it will be with our full knowledge 1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:45.519 that we have many, many other options than the United 1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:49.000 States to build prosperity for all Canadians. We will strengthen 1:45:49.000 --> 1:45:52.080 our relations with reliable partners in Europe, Asia and elsewhere. 1:45:52.360 --> 1:45:54.640 And if the United States no longer wants to be 1:45:54.720 --> 1:45:58.960 in the forefront of the global economy, Canada will quote 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:02.200 and yeah, this is the type of rhetoric that's going 1:46:02.240 --> 1:46:04.800 to be I think successful in Canada right now and 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:08.600 probably in the next few decades, is Canada's going to 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.599 try to take the spot that America used to used 1:46:11.640 --> 1:46:13.799 to hold as like the center of like global power, 1:46:14.160 --> 1:46:18.000 especially with climate change, with you know, crop crops slowly 1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:21.280 slowly needed to be moved north. I think as as 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:24.519 as global warm progresses, Canada is in a spot to 1:46:24.840 --> 1:46:27.760 be a like a new emerging like world power. And 1:46:28.120 --> 1:46:30.760 with the degree to which America is just kind of 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:35.560 giving up that role under Trumpable, someone like Carney is 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:40.880 very interested in in gaining that that degree of superiority. 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:44.400 Now I'm gonna I'm gonna read a few comments from 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:47.599 from our listeners who I asked to send over their 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:50.200 thoughts on the Canadian election. And yes, this is a 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:52.880 limited sample, sask It's based on the politics of people 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:55.559 who listen to this show. But I still think there's 1:46:55.600 --> 1:46:59.479 there's some interesting points here outlining what's happened in this election. 1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:03.080 Quote Mark Karney might not be far enough left for 1:47:03.200 --> 1:47:05.920 my tastes, but he immediately made gas cheaper a tangible 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:09.759 improvement for my brokeass. And with the way he's been pulling, 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:12.840 I'm settling on voting for him to keep the Conservatives 1:47:12.880 --> 1:47:17.760 out with their stated anti woke agenda, pritesis, bigoted, not 1:47:17.800 --> 1:47:20.360 like I have much choice. I would have loved to 1:47:20.400 --> 1:47:22.160 be picking here about my vote, but I don't feel 1:47:22.200 --> 1:47:24.639 confident in the NDP or the Greens to come out 1:47:24.640 --> 1:47:28.280 on top of the cons Another person said, quote, I 1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:30.680 can't believe the country seems to be rallying around a 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:33.800 neoliberal central banker in the face of American fascism. But 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:36.800 our resentment to the US seems to kind of override 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:40.519 all other political considerations. So much of the way this 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:43.080 election is panning out is a display of our culture's 1:47:43.120 --> 1:47:46.920 profound inability to take necessary risks. We're running scared to 1:47:46.960 --> 1:47:50.280 the serious administrator, man in the blind hope things will 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:53.400 be safe and normal again. When he fails, will take 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:56.720 a late and stupid risk again unquote. And this is 1:47:56.720 --> 1:47:59.519 something I've seen other people express, is like with this 1:47:59.640 --> 1:48:03.200 kind of Obama esque, you know, serious man in charge, 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:06.640 this like return of neoliberalism. Will this just set the 1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:09.240 stage for, like the material conditions for someone like Trump 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:11.880 to emerge in the next ten years. This is a 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:14.240 fear that I've seen people express. I don't think it 1:48:14.320 --> 1:48:18.679 is an inevitability, because this is not America in twenty 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:21.160 twelve or twenty sixteen. This is Canada in twenty twenty five. 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:25.320 The world is different, but I can understand this fear. Lastly, 1:48:25.520 --> 1:48:28.679 i'll read from one other comment or from Blue Sky quote. 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:32.240 I understand the drive to keep the Conservative Party out 1:48:32.240 --> 1:48:35.000 of office, but I'm also terrified of what the Liberal 1:48:35.040 --> 1:48:37.559 Party will do to this country if they can keep 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:41.760 campaigning on that very basis in perpetuity. It's good that 1:48:41.840 --> 1:48:45.040 we will probably avoid the worst. It's terrible that progress 1:48:45.080 --> 1:48:47.400 is on hold until the Conservative Party is no longer 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:50.680 a contender, which could take decades. I also do not 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:53.519 expect the Liberal Party to meaningfully change the conditions that 1:48:53.560 --> 1:48:56.439 are pushing voters towards reactionary politics. To be again with 1:48:56.640 --> 1:49:00.200 unquote so kind of a similar sentiment there. I think 1:49:00.240 --> 1:49:02.120 that the role for progressives in Canada right now is 1:49:02.160 --> 1:49:06.080 either to rebuild the NDP or infiltrate the Liberals, probably 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:11.200 rebuilding NDP in most cases, because they are going to 1:49:11.280 --> 1:49:15.040 have to have new leadership and seriously reevaluate their strategies 1:49:15.080 --> 1:49:20.160 going forward. James any notes here. I guess, yeah, I. 1:49:20.080 --> 1:49:22.080 Think like I guess kind of to echo what a 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:25.160 lot of those people said, Like in the US, we 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:28.760 had Biden for four years, right, essentially because he was 1:49:28.760 --> 1:49:31.680 elected on not being Trump, and he was able to 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:33.400 get away well, he thought he could get away with 1:49:33.479 --> 1:49:35.000 more than he actually was able to get away with 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:38.840 as it turns out electorally, but like we were admonished 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:40.600 to vote for the person who wasn't Trump, right, and 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:43.160 what we got is open air detention for migrants, what 1:49:43.160 --> 1:49:45.400 we got is inflation, what we got as a genocide 1:49:45.479 --> 1:49:50.280 in Gaza, right. And this fear that a lot of 1:49:50.400 --> 1:49:54.879 other nations in the global north right, like these neoliberal 1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:57.559 economies are feeling, is going to lead to lots of 1:49:57.600 --> 1:50:00.719 that like, yeah, we need a serious man, we needed, 1:50:00.760 --> 1:50:04.080 we need a statesman's stand up to Trump, and that's 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:06.519 going to reinforce a one of that neoliberal orthodoxy and 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:09.679 that's going to make it very hard to make any 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:13.080 meaningful progress to electoral politics in those countries for the 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:14.679 next few years, which sucks. 1:50:14.880 --> 1:50:16.439 I think this is why some people are excited about 1:50:16.479 --> 1:50:19.920 the minority government, although it is less stable. They could 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:22.519 be swayed by some more of the progressive agendas from 1:50:22.560 --> 1:50:26.360 the NDP because they'll need NDP or block cooperation to 1:50:26.520 --> 1:50:27.240 run the government. 1:50:27.439 --> 1:50:29.559 Yeah, they can't do a by the date, which like 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:30.240 I mean. 1:50:30.439 --> 1:50:34.000 Also like Carney isn't Biden like and the Canadian Liberal 1:50:34.040 --> 1:50:38.680 Party is not necessarily the like American Democratic Party, like. 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:40.559 They're they're different. 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:44.160 Stuff on Gaza is different, like that the Canadian Liberals 1:50:44.240 --> 1:50:47.400 have have restricted arms, arms trades and arms deals to 1:50:47.479 --> 1:50:51.360 Israel the past year. Carney has not thrown trans people 1:50:51.400 --> 1:50:54.080 under the bus the same way some Democrats have the 1:50:54.120 --> 1:50:57.720 past year. Like these are these are different people. I think, 1:50:57.720 --> 1:50:59.960 you know, Canada is a different country than the United 1:50:59.880 --> 1:51:02.960 States for now. Garrison and I think what we can 1:51:03.040 --> 1:51:06.400 see here is that this Canadian election, although it was close, 1:51:06.840 --> 1:51:10.040 it still was a rejection of Trump's style politics. Most 1:51:10.120 --> 1:51:13.640 Canadians do not want Canada to go the way of America. 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:16.520 There's there's been a subset of Canadians, especially in Alberta 1:51:16.640 --> 1:51:19.679 and and and Saskatchewan, who have been trying to push 1:51:19.720 --> 1:51:24.160 for this like mega style like Canada first rhetoric and 1:51:24.160 --> 1:51:28.200 and this was denied. I think you were seeing more 1:51:28.280 --> 1:51:31.000 support for Conservatives under Doug Ford with this more like 1:51:31.040 --> 1:51:34.160 moderate conservatism. I think that's something to like watch out 1:51:34.200 --> 1:51:36.880 for more. But like this, this Trump style of politics 1:51:37.000 --> 1:51:40.640 was was rejected across the country. Yeah, and and and 1:51:40.720 --> 1:51:42.599 Carney was able to figure out a way to make 1:51:42.640 --> 1:51:47.599 people trust him to be a genuine like combatant against 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:50.840 against Trump and and usher and a new a new 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:54.559 golden age of neoliberal trade in the face of Trump's 1:51:54.720 --> 1:51:58.480 Trump's chaotic and and anti market sentiments. 1:51:58.720 --> 1:52:01.160 Hopefully it does put an end too, like this, this 1:52:01.280 --> 1:52:03.640 tendency among liberals, especially in the US but also in 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:07.400 the UK, to like feel that they need to engage 1:52:07.439 --> 1:52:10.200 on right wing culture war talking points and like, I 1:52:10.200 --> 1:52:13.519 guess quote unquote give some ground, Like we've seen that 1:52:13.600 --> 1:52:16.360 in the UK right with with like really transfer a 1:52:16.400 --> 1:52:20.160 big ship coming out the Labor Party, And like I 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:23.479 would hope that like people can see where this leads 1:52:23.520 --> 1:52:25.920 to and that they're not going to vote for liberal 1:52:26.000 --> 1:52:28.320 politicians who are going to throw trans people under the bus, 1:52:29.080 --> 1:52:31.759 and like that that will be like a deciding factor 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:32.479 in their support. 1:52:32.600 --> 1:52:35.439 But I guess that's just my hope right now. Yeah. 1:52:36.240 --> 1:52:39.240 Well, and and frankly, you know, a better liberal party 1:52:39.320 --> 1:52:43.000 or a liberal NDP coalition would would be would be 1:52:43.040 --> 1:52:46.360 willing to engage with the idea of like taking trans 1:52:46.640 --> 1:52:50.240 refugees from these extremely hostile countries sighly, which is just 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:53.200 something they've they've not like you know, publicly talked about. 1:52:53.560 --> 1:52:55.559 But as things get worse than the States, we will 1:52:55.600 --> 1:52:58.080 we will see. So yeah, but that is what I 1:52:58.120 --> 1:53:00.200 have to say as a as a Canadian who lives 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:03.639 in the United States, my thoughts on the Canadian election. 1:53:04.240 --> 1:53:05.479 You know, it could have been worse. 1:53:05.760 --> 1:53:06.080 It is. 1:53:06.120 --> 1:53:10.720 It is odd to see Canada almost accidentally replicate America's 1:53:10.760 --> 1:53:13.840 two party system. So even if this was a rejection 1:53:13.840 --> 1:53:17.760 of trump'style politics, this this this climate of fear did 1:53:17.800 --> 1:53:22.360 result in replicating America's two party system, which is kind 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:24.240 of interesting the amount of which, like the third parties 1:53:24.320 --> 1:53:28.360 lost support, with support going just towards conservatives and liberals. 1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:30.600 That is, you know, one of the big stories of 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:34.439 this election, the the NDP blowout one of the big stories, 1:53:34.960 --> 1:53:39.200 and poliv losing his seat. I think is is is 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:41.120 at least, at the very least a nice cherry on 1:53:41.160 --> 1:53:42.639 top for this for this election. 1:54:03.880 --> 1:54:08.680 Whoa welcome back to it could happen here a podcast 1:54:09.000 --> 1:54:13.479 about you know it happening here, which is what we 1:54:13.520 --> 1:54:16.559 all what we all you know, we know what's happening. 1:54:17.160 --> 1:54:21.200 Yeah, well, and the it being rebellion in the here 1:54:21.320 --> 1:54:24.439 being a galaxy far far away, and then now being 1:54:24.800 --> 1:54:27.679 long long ago for this episode. 1:54:27.439 --> 1:54:29.760 Yeah we are. These are our may Day episodes and 1:54:29.800 --> 1:54:33.240 nothing could make more sense on May Day than talking 1:54:33.280 --> 1:54:37.160 about and or the new season of the show and 1:54:37.360 --> 1:54:40.000 or if you're not familiar with and Or it is 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:42.840 a Star Wars show, and if you don't like Star Wars, 1:54:42.920 --> 1:54:44.600 or you just don't like the Disney Star Wars, if 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:46.960 you've not enjoyed a Star Wars since you were six, 1:54:47.520 --> 1:54:50.280 This is not that kind of thing. This is a 1:54:50.440 --> 1:54:56.640 treatise on how revolutions do, can and should work, written 1:54:56.680 --> 1:55:00.160 by people who have a deep bed of knowledge, including 1:55:00.160 --> 1:55:02.080 a degree of on the ground knowledge of what some 1:55:02.120 --> 1:55:05.920 of this looks like. And it is an immensely important 1:55:05.960 --> 1:55:08.160 piece of media to be getting out right now. And 1:55:08.240 --> 1:55:14.120 we'll start by saying Disney evil, bad corporation. I'm not 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:18.240 saying pay them for Disney plus Torrents exist. 1:55:18.360 --> 1:55:21.400 Yeah, raise the black flag, Raise, raise the black flag. 1:55:21.440 --> 1:55:21.960 Once again. 1:55:22.240 --> 1:55:25.320 I don't care how you get this. And you know 1:55:25.400 --> 1:55:28.160 what I'll say this, I suspect the people making and 1:55:28.320 --> 1:55:30.200 Or don't really care how you get this. This has 1:55:30.240 --> 1:55:34.720 been the most financially successful show and generations. Fuck it. 1:55:34.840 --> 1:55:37.120 Get it, like, don't don't pay Disney money if you 1:55:37.160 --> 1:55:39.240 don't want to. I have no issue with that. I 1:55:39.280 --> 1:55:42.200 don't know whose login I'm using it. I haven't for years. 1:55:42.240 --> 1:55:45.600 Garrison can vouch for that. Just just watch it. 1:55:45.960 --> 1:55:49.560 Be like Cassie and Or and Liberate and Or season 1:55:49.600 --> 1:55:53.720 two from from Disney, and watch it however however you 1:55:53.720 --> 1:55:54.680 feel comfortable doing so. 1:55:55.040 --> 1:55:57.040 Yeah, yeah, use your f. 1:55:57.040 --> 1:55:59.839 Movie is use your here's your whatever. Yeah. 1:56:00.120 --> 1:56:04.360 This is a podcast about the current season of and Or, 1:56:04.440 --> 1:56:07.400 which is coming out in three episode blocks every Tuesday. 1:56:07.440 --> 1:56:10.560 The second three episodes, we're now up to six episodes, 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:15.680 came out yesterday as we record this Tuesday of this week, 1:56:15.760 --> 1:56:18.120 and there's two more weeks of and Or coming. So 1:56:18.640 --> 1:56:20.720 this episode we're going to be talking about episodes one 1:56:20.720 --> 1:56:23.600 through three. We should probably start with a little If 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:27.560 you haven't watched it, go watch it. Just watch season one, 1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:30.360 and then you know, you can watch season two and 1:56:30.440 --> 1:56:32.800 listen along with us. If you're not, if you're a 1:56:32.840 --> 1:56:37.120 crazy person who's not going to do that will summarize 1:56:37.200 --> 1:56:39.680 season one for you, which is that there's this guy 1:56:39.800 --> 1:56:42.400 who grew up on a planet that was destroyed by 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:45.600 the Empire. He essentially like lived as a hunter gatherer 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:49.080 until you know, the war came to him and he 1:56:49.280 --> 1:56:53.480 was forced out of his home and grows up very angry, 1:56:54.040 --> 1:56:56.080 is taken in by some people who are kind of 1:56:56.160 --> 1:56:59.960 like petty criminals and petty almost petty rebels, you know, 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:02.640 but not in the rebel alliance sense, just and that well, 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:04.680 we're going to commit some crimes around the edges and 1:57:04.720 --> 1:57:07.200 try to get by. And the show is about this 1:57:07.280 --> 1:57:12.680 guy getting inducted into a revolutionary organization run by a 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:17.280 man named Luthen that that is simultaneously very centralized around 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:20.200 him and also very decentralized, and that it's primarily him 1:57:20.760 --> 1:57:25.120 arming and getting information and attempting to direct cells that 1:57:25.200 --> 1:57:28.160 are themselves autonomous and often in conflict with each other, 1:57:28.400 --> 1:57:31.120 which is very realistic to how things like this start. 1:57:31.560 --> 1:57:33.960 On a historical level, everything that's happening in and Or 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:37.880 is based in real history. Tony Gilroy, who is the showrunner, 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:40.400 has stated that the kind of bank robbing years of 1:57:40.480 --> 1:57:44.400 Joseph Stalin were one influence behind this, But there are 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:47.640 a lot you can see, and in fact there's a 1:57:47.680 --> 1:57:50.240 little bit of Portland at the end of season one. 1:57:50.760 --> 1:57:53.080 There's a number of things that have influenced this show, 1:57:53.120 --> 1:57:55.360 a lot of moments in history the IRA. 1:57:55.840 --> 1:57:58.800 Some of the IRA like post al Qaeda, like prison 1:57:59.320 --> 1:58:04.840 resistance rebellion. Yes, for how terrorist cells like form underneath and. 1:58:04.880 --> 1:58:07.240 Also very explicitly he talks about this in an interview 1:58:07.280 --> 1:58:10.320 like the Revolutions podcast by Mike Duncan. Is an influence 1:58:10.360 --> 1:58:11.320 on how on how this one is? 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:15.160 Yes, was an influence on this Yes. So that's all 1:58:15.160 --> 1:58:17.800 to set this up. We're now going to talk about 1:58:17.960 --> 1:58:22.800 what happens in episodes one, two, and three of season two. 1:58:23.200 --> 1:58:24.480 You want to summarize them, gear. 1:58:24.480 --> 1:58:27.400 Yeah, let's start with the first episode. So, undercover rebel 1:58:27.440 --> 1:58:32.640 agent Cassian Andor steals in experimental tie Avenger, crashes it 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:36.920 on a jungle planet, and then finds himself in a 1:58:37.080 --> 1:58:41.000 sectarian split between this other rebel cell who just had 1:58:41.000 --> 1:58:42.080 like a DISASTERUS operation. 1:58:42.240 --> 1:58:44.680 Their leader got killed, so no one's really sure who 1:58:44.720 --> 1:58:45.760 should be running things. 1:58:45.840 --> 1:58:48.360 They capture Cassian because they think he's an Imperial pilot, 1:58:48.600 --> 1:58:53.600 and he tries to negotiate with them as their infighting continues. Meanwhile, 1:58:53.640 --> 1:58:58.320 Imperial intelligence agents converge to develop a plan on how 1:58:58.360 --> 1:59:03.400 to squash potential resistance on the planet Gorman as they 1:59:03.400 --> 1:59:08.000 plan to extract calkite minerals from the planet's core, potentially 1:59:08.040 --> 1:59:11.400 endangering the stability of the planet to build a dust 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:13.680 star by the way, Yes, to build a dust star. 1:59:13.840 --> 1:59:16.960 Yeah. So what's happening is these minerals are necessary to 1:59:17.000 --> 1:59:19.920 collect the system that makes the death stars big planet 1:59:19.920 --> 1:59:23.320 destroying gun work. But at this point, basically no one 1:59:23.440 --> 1:59:28.320 knows that, and the imperial like intelligence yeah, and they're 1:59:28.320 --> 1:59:32.160 being told that it's part of an energy independence project. 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:35.720 Mon Mathma, the senator from Tandrella who eventually becomes a 1:59:35.760 --> 1:59:39.760 rebel leader in the Star Wars movies, is helping to 1:59:39.880 --> 1:59:45.080 plan the Traadcath wedding for her daughter against Mathema's own wishes, 1:59:45.640 --> 1:59:49.520 and she runs into some difficulties with someone who helped 1:59:49.520 --> 1:59:53.320 her clean up some of her financial blemishes to help 1:59:53.440 --> 1:59:56.720 finance the rebellion. So this is most of what happens 1:59:56.760 --> 1:59:59.680 in this first episode. We have some of and Or's 1:59:59.720 --> 2:00:02.800 previous comrades and planet Ferriks are on this like farming 2:00:02.840 --> 2:00:09.080 planet and they're nervous about potential inspection. So I guess specifically, 2:00:09.400 --> 2:00:10.720 do you have anything we want to talk about on 2:00:10.720 --> 2:00:11.560 this first episode. 2:00:11.760 --> 2:00:14.240 Yes, I want to talk about the scene where they 2:00:14.280 --> 2:00:17.960 talk about clearing out Gorman, because when they talk about 2:00:18.000 --> 2:00:20.400 mining it for this mineral that's necessary to make the 2:00:20.440 --> 2:00:23.680 Death Star, they're talking about basically doing deep fracking at 2:00:23.720 --> 2:00:28.000 the core of the planet that is going to make 2:00:28.040 --> 2:00:31.640 it uninhabitable, right Like, they're basically tearing out the core 2:00:31.720 --> 2:00:35.240 of this world that produces high quality textiles, right Like, 2:00:35.320 --> 2:00:40.040 it's famous kind of a luxury goods exporter. That's really 2:00:40.080 --> 2:00:42.240 all they make. There's these spiders there that make a 2:00:42.320 --> 2:00:44.920 nice kind of silk. That's what the planet does. And 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:47.760 it's got this population of people who are used to 2:00:47.920 --> 2:00:50.600 being given a lot of autonomy because they make very 2:00:50.760 --> 2:00:53.040 this nice, this like luxury product that all they're rich 2:00:53.080 --> 2:00:55.640 people like, right, So that the folks running there are 2:00:55.720 --> 2:00:57.960 public and in the early years when there was still 2:00:57.960 --> 2:01:00.240 more the public, the Empire was still more on their 2:01:00.240 --> 2:01:02.160 republican side. Still people didn't want to talk with them 2:01:02.200 --> 2:01:04.480 too much because they make a luxury good. 2:01:04.640 --> 2:01:04.840 Right. 2:01:05.640 --> 2:01:07.920 There was a massacre there kind of early on in 2:01:07.960 --> 2:01:11.560 the Empire when Tark and the target Yeah, landed a 2:01:11.640 --> 2:01:15.200 cruiser on a bunch of protesters killing them. But other 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:17.240 than that, it's been pretty quiet for a while. There 2:01:17.360 --> 2:01:21.640 is like a small and not super competent or armed 2:01:21.720 --> 2:01:25.280 rebel cell starting up on the planet, and they have 2:01:25.360 --> 2:01:28.520 this big meeting the Empire does, where everybody gathers at 2:01:28.520 --> 2:01:30.560 a castle with the guy who's in charge of building 2:01:30.600 --> 2:01:32.600 the Death Star to talk about how to clear off 2:01:32.600 --> 2:01:36.160 this planet. The meeting itself in this part of the 2:01:36.240 --> 2:01:40.000 episode is based off of the Vonse Conference, which was 2:01:40.000 --> 2:01:43.240 a conference held in nineteen forty two by Reinhart Heidrich 2:01:43.360 --> 2:01:47.480 and kind of managed by Adolf Eichman to plan the holocaust. 2:01:47.520 --> 2:01:49.880 This is where they actually sat down and talked about 2:01:49.920 --> 2:01:51.720 how are we going to build death camps, how are 2:01:51.760 --> 2:01:54.480 the death camps going to operate, how will we evacuate 2:01:54.520 --> 2:01:56.880 people to the death camps? All of that right, there 2:01:56.960 --> 2:01:58.800 was a meeting. A bunch of guys showed up. There 2:01:58.800 --> 2:02:01.680 are minutes of the meeting. Tony has stated, if you've 2:02:01.720 --> 2:02:04.560 watched there's a great TV movie it's like twenty years 2:02:04.600 --> 2:02:07.879 old at this point, called Conspiracy. It stars Kenneth Brannaw 2:02:08.040 --> 2:02:10.360 as Reinhardt Heidrich, who is the architect who was like 2:02:10.400 --> 2:02:14.440 the guy running the Holocaust. Initially it's stars Stanley Tucci 2:02:14.480 --> 2:02:18.040 as Adolph Eichmann, an incredible iikman by the way, and 2:02:18.120 --> 2:02:20.720 this scene is deeply influenced by that movie. Right, There 2:02:20.760 --> 2:02:23.440 was another German movie also that, like the movie with 2:02:23.480 --> 2:02:25.800 Brannaw was based off of. But but Tony Gilroy has 2:02:25.840 --> 2:02:27.560 said that that movie was an influence and that this 2:02:27.640 --> 2:02:29.920 is based on the Bonse conference, and there's a couple 2:02:29.920 --> 2:02:31.960 of lines that are almost word for word. One of 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:33.760 the big differences is there's a point at which they 2:02:33.800 --> 2:02:36.040 bring in a couple of PR agents who are outside 2:02:36.200 --> 2:02:39.960 of the empire. That's like an outside PR corporation and arm. Yeah. Well, 2:02:40.000 --> 2:02:44.120 I think they're an outside contractor who does marketing normally 2:02:44.160 --> 2:02:46.200 and is doing propaganda if I'm remembering right. 2:02:46.240 --> 2:02:48.480 I think they're part of the Ministry of Enlightenment is 2:02:48.520 --> 2:02:53.680 what they call it. Yeah, yeah, credimful name. They have 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:56.280 some of the best bits, yes, from this meeting. 2:02:56.400 --> 2:02:58.720 Their job is to put out propaganda that makes the 2:02:58.720 --> 2:03:02.720 Gormans look arrogant and unloyal and bad to everyone else, 2:03:02.760 --> 2:03:05.160 so that when they're massacred no one will care. Yeah. 2:03:05.240 --> 2:03:08.280 Quote, hasn't there always been something a little arrogant about 2:03:08.320 --> 2:03:08.959 the gour. 2:03:09.520 --> 2:03:11.480 Yeah, very good. It's it's very good. 2:03:12.080 --> 2:03:14.280 Yeah, they're talking about how they like create false news 2:03:14.280 --> 2:03:17.600 stories and like influence public opinion to be weaponized in 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:21.240 favor of the imperial project the Ministry of Enlightenment. Stuff 2:03:21.240 --> 2:03:24.400 is very good. The other line I really like is 2:03:24.800 --> 2:03:27.560 from Dedra, one of the main characters from like the 2:03:27.560 --> 2:03:31.480 previous season, who has this like female isb agent and. 2:03:31.400 --> 2:03:33.960 She's sort of being made the aikman of the the 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:35.240 Gorman Project. 2:03:35.000 --> 2:03:38.280 And like she talks with a chronic Ben Mendelssohn's character 2:03:38.880 --> 2:03:42.200 like about how propaganda really only gets you so far, 2:03:42.840 --> 2:03:45.920 and instead what they will need to need to work 2:03:46.000 --> 2:03:50.600 on is actually like controlling the Gorman resistance from the inside, 2:03:50.760 --> 2:03:53.240 Like you need to count on rebels to do like 2:03:53.280 --> 2:03:56.480 the wrong thing at the right time. So about like 2:03:56.480 --> 2:04:00.960 like like astroturfing some kind of insurgency that can actually 2:04:01.160 --> 2:04:03.720 in the end service the Empire's interests, and like this 2:04:03.760 --> 2:04:06.640 is what she's talking about for her project being is 2:04:06.640 --> 2:04:10.160 actually like helping to influence the way that the resistance 2:04:10.200 --> 2:04:14.360 operates on the planet instead of just just focusing on 2:04:14.400 --> 2:04:17.080 like public opinion and propaganda and like military might. 2:04:17.720 --> 2:04:23.200 Yeah, What I really appreciate about this scene is the 2:04:23.200 --> 2:04:27.240 degree to which it shows, Number One, how information is 2:04:27.280 --> 2:04:30.360 siloed in a situation like this, how people are on 2:04:30.400 --> 2:04:33.280 a need, Like this room is informed at the start. Whoever, 2:04:33.360 --> 2:04:36.080 your bosses, if they're not in the room, they don't 2:04:36.080 --> 2:04:39.200 know about this. Yeah, and you don't tell them, Like 2:04:39.320 --> 2:04:42.400 we do not want the tightest of closed services. We 2:04:42.480 --> 2:04:45.600 are doing a genocide and we're not talking about it 2:04:45.640 --> 2:04:46.480 to other people. 2:04:46.880 --> 2:04:50.240 They report directly to the Emperor. No other people beneath 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:53.040 the emperor knows what's happening. Yeah, and even the Emperor 2:04:53.040 --> 2:04:54.960 doesn't really know all of the details at this point, 2:04:55.160 --> 2:04:55.919 Like yeah. 2:04:55.920 --> 2:04:57.480 And this is like like the people are cutting out, 2:04:57.480 --> 2:04:59.600 like like they're cutting out, like the director of Imperial 2:04:59.640 --> 2:05:01.400 of the ISP, Like they're cutting out, the director of 2:05:01.440 --> 2:05:04.320 Material intelligeny're cutting off, like grabbing off Tarkin, like they're 2:05:04.320 --> 2:05:06.560 cutting out, Like the most important people in Star Wars 2:05:06.640 --> 2:05:08.000 have no idea. Like it's not even going to be 2:05:08.000 --> 2:05:10.360 the Vader. I mean, Vader probably knows, but there's no 2:05:10.400 --> 2:05:11.560 fucking mention of him at all either. 2:05:11.640 --> 2:05:13.680 Yeah, he can read mine, so I assume he's been 2:05:13.680 --> 2:05:18.080 able to like glean some things, But Yes, he's. 2:05:17.840 --> 2:05:21.040 Not not involved in any of this shit because he's 2:05:21.080 --> 2:05:21.840 not a Dutch star guy. 2:05:21.960 --> 2:05:24.520 Yeah, and again, this isn't like a massive population, so 2:05:24.520 --> 2:05:28.320 they're viewing this primarily as like a pr problem. So 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:30.680 both you need to get out messaging that these people 2:05:30.720 --> 2:05:33.200 are arrogant and bad so that nobody supports them when 2:05:33.240 --> 2:05:36.360 we start killing them. And we need a terror cell 2:05:36.560 --> 2:05:40.040 that can be trusted to carry out attacks against the 2:05:40.040 --> 2:05:43.120 empire that will justify what we need to do, right, 2:05:43.240 --> 2:05:45.360 So that that's the point of this meeting. It's very 2:05:45.360 --> 2:05:48.360 well shot, it's very well done. There's a lot of 2:05:48.560 --> 2:05:52.560 understanding of like just history in it that I appreciated 2:05:52.640 --> 2:05:56.600 as a Holocaust nerd. That's a bad way to frame it. 2:05:56.760 --> 2:05:59.080 But yeah, that is a bad way to frame it. 2:05:59.720 --> 2:06:01.200 Yeah, nope, nope, nope. 2:06:01.320 --> 2:06:04.360 Anyway, No, if you've watched these episodes and you loved 2:06:04.400 --> 2:06:07.440 them and you found that scene chilling, go watch Conspiracy 2:06:07.480 --> 2:06:11.920 with Kenneth Brannaw and Stanley Tucci. Oh, the Tuc, the Tuc, 2:06:12.200 --> 2:06:14.360 the Twoch playing Iikman Garrison. 2:06:15.000 --> 2:06:16.040 Dad. 2:06:16.040 --> 2:06:18.480 Alright, let's go on a break and then come back 2:06:18.520 --> 2:06:19.800 to talk about episode two. 2:06:20.120 --> 2:06:31.440 Yeah, we're back. 2:06:31.920 --> 2:06:35.640 Did you guys know Stanley Tucci super pro Palestine. 2:06:36.080 --> 2:06:36.640 That's cool. 2:06:36.760 --> 2:06:40.160 Oh nice with an actor like that that I've really enjoyed. 2:06:40.200 --> 2:06:42.360 I always am like white knuckling it if I when 2:06:42.400 --> 2:06:45.320 I decided to google that, and I was pleasantly surprised 2:06:45.320 --> 2:06:48.520 with the tuc All right, that's what I got here. 2:06:48.400 --> 2:06:52.160 Let's do Episode two. The Empire arrives on this farming 2:06:52.320 --> 2:06:57.839 planet to complete inspections on Coruscant. Our little slimy weasel 2:06:57.960 --> 2:07:02.080 Carril Karn keeps rising through the the Imperial ladder at 2:07:02.080 --> 2:07:07.480 the Bureau of Standards. Man Mathma's financial schemes to help 2:07:07.560 --> 2:07:10.800 secretly fund the rebellion start coming undone as one of 2:07:10.800 --> 2:07:12.440 her like backers or like the. 2:07:12.440 --> 2:07:14.040 Guy who's moving the money around for. 2:07:13.920 --> 2:07:16.400 Her, yet he's helping her wash her money. 2:07:16.520 --> 2:07:21.080 One of her collaborators, take Kola, starts to kind of 2:07:21.280 --> 2:07:26.120 back out or ask for ask for some assistance, and 2:07:26.240 --> 2:07:29.560 is getting a erratic in his behavior as he's going 2:07:29.600 --> 2:07:31.000 through a divorce. 2:07:30.800 --> 2:07:34.640 And is making kind of vague threats about well, maybe 2:07:34.640 --> 2:07:36.480 I'll talk to someone about what I know. 2:07:36.840 --> 2:07:39.960 Right, Yeah, if I if I don't get something out 2:07:40.000 --> 2:07:42.760 of this relationship, I might be forced to do something 2:07:42.800 --> 2:07:46.080 else to ensure like my safety and financial security. Meanwhile, 2:07:46.120 --> 2:07:49.160 Cassian is still on this jungle planet, held captive by 2:07:49.200 --> 2:07:53.360 these by these sectarian leftists start firing at each other 2:07:53.880 --> 2:07:56.680 and totally totally break down. 2:07:56.280 --> 2:07:59.560 Literal circular firing squad and it's beautiful. 2:08:01.680 --> 2:08:03.480 They go full, they go full Red. 2:08:03.360 --> 2:08:06.040 Army, Japanese Red Army, thank you very. 2:08:06.000 --> 2:08:09.839 Much, Japanese Red Army, and Cassie and barely barely escapes. 2:08:10.200 --> 2:08:13.200 Over the course of this like multi day like conflict 2:08:13.280 --> 2:08:16.200 with the UH, with the remnants of this rebellion cell, 2:08:16.480 --> 2:08:18.960 let's talk a little bit about this UH leftist infighting 2:08:19.160 --> 2:08:19.760 plot point. 2:08:19.960 --> 2:08:22.960 Yeah, this is something something I've never actually really seemed 2:08:22.960 --> 2:08:26.000 to pick it in you kind of like mainstream media thing, 2:08:26.040 --> 2:08:28.840 which is something that that happens in real movements, which 2:08:28.840 --> 2:08:31.840 is that when when movements suffer serious setbacks or when 2:08:32.560 --> 2:08:34.160 you know, and we see this more commonly in real life, 2:08:34.200 --> 2:08:35.680 when sort of like you know, the tide of a 2:08:35.720 --> 2:08:38.720 movement falls and everything starts falling apart. And these are 2:08:38.720 --> 2:08:41.280 people who just got absolutely obliterated in a battle of 2:08:41.320 --> 2:08:44.080 their leaders dead, a bunch of their comrades died. One 2:08:44.120 --> 2:08:45.680 of the things that happens is in this is that 2:08:45.840 --> 2:08:48.080 this is when the this is when social movements evolve 2:08:48.120 --> 2:08:50.040 into infighting, you know, and this this is what was 2:08:50.040 --> 2:08:52.320 happening inside of like the American Left roughly from twenty 2:08:52.360 --> 2:08:54.080 twenty one to twenty twenty four was you got you 2:08:54.120 --> 2:08:58.320 got this giant, really vicious cycle of infighting, because this 2:08:58.400 --> 2:09:00.240 is this is what happens when there's no longer grow 2:09:00.240 --> 2:09:03.200 threat to hold. They'veyone together, and people have this tendency 2:09:03.280 --> 2:09:07.360 to because they've just lost. Right, everyone's trying to process 2:09:07.360 --> 2:09:11.040 the emotions of their defeat, of like the really serious 2:09:11.040 --> 2:09:15.160 psychological damage that they've suffered. Like in these battles, people 2:09:15.520 --> 2:09:18.000 lash out at each other because it's easier than trying 2:09:18.000 --> 2:09:20.760 to fight an enemy that has just defeated you. And 2:09:21.160 --> 2:09:23.840 you know, there's a complicating factor in this, which is that, 2:09:23.920 --> 2:09:26.320 like you know, these are also the periods when like 2:09:26.880 --> 2:09:28.880 rapists tend to get ran out right and when like 2:09:28.920 --> 2:09:30.440 abusers in the scene tend to get ran out. But 2:09:30.480 --> 2:09:32.760 on the other hand, yeah, it turns into these really 2:09:32.960 --> 2:09:36.400 really nasty sort of sometimes just sectarians. Sometimes they're just 2:09:36.440 --> 2:09:37.680 sort of like, you. 2:09:37.640 --> 2:09:40.960 Know, I never liked this guy. People are getting in 2:09:40.960 --> 2:09:43.600 trouble for being bad I'm going to just accuse this 2:09:43.640 --> 2:09:44.160 guy of some. 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:45.640 Shit personality conflicts stuff. 2:09:45.720 --> 2:09:48.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And this is something 2:09:48.080 --> 2:09:49.760 that happens like every time there's a cycle. I mean 2:09:49.800 --> 2:09:52.360 I remember this God like, I mean you see the 2:09:52.360 --> 2:09:54.360 shit and scenes are like from like like two thousand, 2:09:54.440 --> 2:09:56.760 like thirteen twenty fourteen, there was like a huge cycle 2:09:56.760 --> 2:09:58.880 of this. We're kind of cycles of this in like 2:09:58.880 --> 2:10:01.240 twenty nineteen. What they we're kind of falling a part 2:10:01.280 --> 2:10:04.280 as occupy isis this is just like something that's a 2:10:04.360 --> 2:10:08.240 reality of social movements that you don't ever really is. 2:10:08.240 --> 2:10:08.760 He depicted it. 2:10:08.800 --> 2:10:10.360 And the everything I think is fascinating about it is 2:10:10.400 --> 2:10:13.400 because and Or is the person who's watching it right, 2:10:14.360 --> 2:10:16.320 Andor has no idea what the fuck is going on 2:10:16.360 --> 2:10:17.680 with the chulton ams of this group. 2:10:17.760 --> 2:10:20.200 No, No, my pay is famous. 2:10:20.400 --> 2:10:23.360 Yeah, he knows who like the leader is because Lutherin's 2:10:23.360 --> 2:10:26.280 team has been like supplying them with weapons, but they 2:10:26.280 --> 2:10:28.800 don't know about like the internal structures of those groups 2:10:28.840 --> 2:10:30.520 for like op sec reason No. 2:10:30.560 --> 2:10:34.240 And the leaders dead, like the leader got killed in 2:10:34.280 --> 2:10:36.960 this ambush. Right, there's you hear about her. She's named 2:10:37.000 --> 2:10:39.480 in the first season My Pay. She's one of when 2:10:39.680 --> 2:10:42.280 when Forrest Whitaker in season one gives that very famous 2:10:42.360 --> 2:10:44.720 rant where he's talking about all because he's the anarchist 2:10:44.760 --> 2:10:47.560 militant leader and he's talking about all the different groups. 2:10:47.280 --> 2:10:51.920 Separati galaxy, they're lost, all. 2:10:51.800 --> 2:10:56.040 Of them, clarity of purpose. He talks, he names my 2:10:56.120 --> 2:10:59.160 pay along with the other different So she's clearly a 2:10:59.200 --> 2:11:03.440 fairly well known I think she's a republic restorationist kind 2:11:03.480 --> 2:11:07.520 of person, So basically a social democrat militant leader, and 2:11:08.040 --> 2:11:10.680 her group's just gotten fucked and she is dead. So 2:11:10.760 --> 2:11:12.800 he knows of them, but he doesn't know them. 2:11:13.200 --> 2:11:15.520 Yeah, and because of that, you get, you get, you get, 2:11:15.520 --> 2:11:17.280 You get two things at the same time that I 2:11:17.280 --> 2:11:20.680 think are both really important. One is that you get 2:11:20.720 --> 2:11:24.040 to see what this kind of like infighting looks like, 2:11:24.280 --> 2:11:26.440 right like like actually depicting television. You get to see 2:11:26.440 --> 2:11:29.080 what happens when when movements fail and when people start 2:11:29.120 --> 2:11:30.840 to invite. In two, you get to see what it 2:11:30.840 --> 2:11:32.920 looks like from the outside, from Andrew's perspective where he's 2:11:32.920 --> 2:11:34.360 looking at these people, He's like, what the fuck is 2:11:34.400 --> 2:11:36.720 wrong with you people? All of you guys are clowns. 2:11:36.920 --> 2:11:39.400 These are fucking children, Like I'm doing a serious job. 2:11:39.480 --> 2:11:41.360 Yeah, and this is also a thing that you get this. 2:11:41.560 --> 2:11:43.400 This is a real movement dynamic where it's like, you know, 2:11:43.440 --> 2:11:45.680 you're watching people who after twenty twenty or something, you 2:11:45.720 --> 2:11:47.480 know you've been through your first movement and you're in 2:11:47.560 --> 2:11:50.680 your first movement cycle collapse, right if you've been doing 2:11:50.680 --> 2:11:51.800 this and I'm like, you know, if you're doing this 2:11:51.840 --> 2:11:53.480 for like a fucking decade and you're watching all of 2:11:53.480 --> 2:11:55.360 these people do this shit again, and it's just like, 2:11:55.920 --> 2:11:58.880 oh god, fucking damn it. Like the kids are like, 2:11:59.080 --> 2:12:01.200 you know, they haven't been to this before. It's really traumatic, 2:12:01.240 --> 2:12:04.480 and they're doing all this like completely incomprehensible bullshit, which 2:12:04.520 --> 2:12:06.520 is also like on the outside, if you look into 2:12:06.560 --> 2:12:08.320 this as someone who's not part of one of these 2:12:08.320 --> 2:12:09.840 scenes and you're seeing all this drama, it's just like 2:12:09.880 --> 2:12:12.120 what the fuck is wrong with you? People? Like why 2:12:12.160 --> 2:12:15.480 are you doing this? And the fact that you're getting 2:12:15.760 --> 2:12:19.440 all of this like you know, fucking Disney show is fascinating. 2:12:20.080 --> 2:12:23.120 It's why, I mean, And it shows the depth of 2:12:23.520 --> 2:12:28.360 knowledge and the the sheer amount of understanding that the 2:12:28.400 --> 2:12:32.480 people writing this have of how movements go. Again, it's 2:12:32.520 --> 2:12:36.440 granular and it's to a degree like based in some 2:12:36.480 --> 2:12:39.000 real experiences that some people on this team have had, 2:12:39.160 --> 2:12:42.160 Like you don't understand stuff like this otherwise. 2:12:42.840 --> 2:12:45.200 And as this group is like interrogating Cassie and try 2:12:45.240 --> 2:12:46.680 to trying to figure out who he is, Like they 2:12:46.760 --> 2:12:49.120 keep trying to dig into like what rebel group Cassiine 2:12:49.240 --> 2:12:50.840 is like a part of, and like who he's working with, 2:12:51.000 --> 2:12:53.600 and he's like refusing to give them this information because 2:12:54.280 --> 2:12:57.400 that's good security culture. And they're like, but you know 2:12:57.440 --> 2:12:59.400 who we work with, and he's like, yeah, you shouldn't 2:12:59.400 --> 2:12:59.760 have told me. 2:12:59.800 --> 2:13:01.160 Yeah, she didn't have said that. 2:13:01.440 --> 2:13:05.160 That was bad, very very good stuff. 2:13:05.200 --> 2:13:07.360 And it's got it starts, you know, we didn't say 2:13:07.360 --> 2:13:10.000 this with with episode one. Episode one starts with another 2:13:10.040 --> 2:13:13.480 beautiful Cassian speech when he's because he's he's infiltrating as 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:15.880 a tie fighter pilot this base where he's stealing an 2:13:15.880 --> 2:13:19.520 experimental craft and there's a young woman there who's like 2:13:19.560 --> 2:13:22.400 a technician, who is his in right and who's clearly 2:13:22.600 --> 2:13:25.840 just made her break with the Empire, and she like 2:13:25.880 --> 2:13:27.720 meets him briefly. She's like, sorry, I know I'm not 2:13:27.720 --> 2:13:29.320 supposed to look at you. I'm not supposed to talk 2:13:29.360 --> 2:13:30.920 to you, and he like grabs me. He's like, no, 2:13:31.280 --> 2:13:33.440 this is what it's all about, is the moment of 2:13:33.480 --> 2:13:37.040 connection between us where we both after all of like 2:13:37.080 --> 2:13:39.960 this being frightened and alone in the dark, were together 2:13:40.160 --> 2:13:42.640 and we know that we're doing something. This is what 2:13:42.760 --> 2:13:45.640 every this is, This is everything. 2:13:45.120 --> 2:13:47.520 And this is the moment you find yourself. 2:13:47.160 --> 2:13:49.720 Yeah yeah, from yourself and this is an everything that 2:13:49.720 --> 2:13:51.640 that That was the moment in this season where I 2:13:51.680 --> 2:13:53.440 was like, oh, okay, so the people are it's still 2:13:53.480 --> 2:13:55.560 the same people. It's like these are people who are 2:13:55.600 --> 2:13:57.920 just of the left in a way that you don't 2:13:57.960 --> 2:14:00.600 really ever see even with like old communists who are 2:14:00.600 --> 2:14:04.800 writing stuff. It's like I have given this speech to people, yeah, 2:14:05.000 --> 2:14:07.480 like dozens and dozens of times, like this is the 2:14:07.520 --> 2:14:09.280 thing that if you do this work, Like you have 2:14:09.400 --> 2:14:12.760 literally given this speech to a new person about like yeah, yeah, 2:14:12.800 --> 2:14:15.520 like this is the reason where and like it's just 2:14:15.520 --> 2:14:17.640 fucking I'm just like that mind is blown that this 2:14:17.680 --> 2:14:21.000 shit is just like appearing in mass media where people 2:14:21.040 --> 2:14:23.720 who aren't from these movements are just like encountering this. 2:14:24.280 --> 2:14:26.600 And the reason why again when I say and or 2:14:26.720 --> 2:14:31.960 is like historically profitable after the first season. Every year afterwards, 2:14:32.000 --> 2:14:35.120 for a couple of years, the number of people watching 2:14:35.160 --> 2:14:38.120 it increased, which by which I mean each year after 2:14:38.200 --> 2:14:41.080 it came out, more people watched it than had watched 2:14:41.080 --> 2:14:43.040 it in the year it came out. And that doesn't 2:14:43.120 --> 2:14:47.320 happen to TV. Yeah, it simply is not how television works, 2:14:47.920 --> 2:14:50.760 which is why Disney was like, here is a quarter 2:14:50.800 --> 2:14:53.520 of a billion dollars make and or season two. 2:14:53.600 --> 2:14:55.600 Man, this is the first time Star Wars has like 2:14:55.840 --> 2:14:58.040 visually looked good in like a decade. 2:14:58.280 --> 2:15:00.760 Yeah, oh my god, and it looks incredible. 2:15:01.280 --> 2:15:04.080 It looks gorgeous, gorgeous. 2:15:04.960 --> 2:15:07.360 There's so many super long like tracking shots this season 2:15:07.560 --> 2:15:10.960 where they're going through like massive sets yea, with all 2:15:11.040 --> 2:15:13.960 like like singular like one takes and like you know, 2:15:14.000 --> 2:15:15.880 all the previous Star Wars shows are filmed on these 2:15:15.880 --> 2:15:19.440 like digital sound stages with like you know, led screen backgrounds, 2:15:19.720 --> 2:15:22.720 but like you cannot achieve this level of like in 2:15:22.840 --> 2:15:25.960 real life like fidelity on like a digital background screen. 2:15:26.000 --> 2:15:29.560 Like these are huge sets, Like specifically the Chandrilla set 2:15:29.640 --> 2:15:33.120 is like massive. As you walk around like modern mathma's 2:15:33.200 --> 2:15:36.040 like Senate estate or whatever for this for this Tradcath 2:15:36.040 --> 2:15:38.080 wedding that we'll talk more about in the next episode. Yeah, 2:15:38.160 --> 2:15:41.720 just like, really really like excellent craftsmanship going into this. 2:15:41.920 --> 2:15:57.320 Yeah, just beautiful. Okay, speaking of beautiful set design. All right, 2:15:57.360 --> 2:15:57.840 we're back. 2:15:58.280 --> 2:16:02.720 Let's talk about the nally of this little three episode arc. 2:16:03.480 --> 2:16:08.040 Cassian's trying to contact Lutheran and learns that his friends 2:16:08.080 --> 2:16:10.920 on the farming planet are actually being subject to some 2:16:11.080 --> 2:16:14.240 kind of imperial inspection. He's advised to not go there, 2:16:14.280 --> 2:16:16.240 but of course he does anyway to check on his 2:16:16.280 --> 2:16:19.880 friends as his Star Wars tradition a lah Luke skywalker. 2:16:20.360 --> 2:16:23.560 In episode five, people on this planet are trying to 2:16:23.560 --> 2:16:28.360 evade this inspection by forging emergency work orders, but their 2:16:28.600 --> 2:16:32.240 scheme falls apart. They might have been rated out by 2:16:32.320 --> 2:16:36.240 one of the top guys running the silo, and imperial 2:16:36.280 --> 2:16:40.280 officers arrest and interrogate people for not having proper work visas. 2:16:40.320 --> 2:16:44.080 Yeah, and the people on this planet are Cassian's friends 2:16:44.120 --> 2:16:46.360 from season one who he lived with, like the guy 2:16:46.400 --> 2:16:48.600 who was effectively his big brother, Brasso. 2:16:48.840 --> 2:16:51.160 Yeah, Brasso, the guy who hits the cop with the 2:16:51.200 --> 2:16:52.680 brick in the finale season one. 2:16:52.959 --> 2:16:56.120 Your goddamn righty, Brick's a cop And then Bicks, who 2:16:56.160 --> 2:16:59.200 is his girlfriend partner type person kind of off and on, 2:16:59.440 --> 2:17:02.000 and the because of her connections to him, gets horribly 2:17:02.040 --> 2:17:03.280 tortured in season one. 2:17:03.520 --> 2:17:07.440 Yeah, and as well as young terrorist Willem, who throws 2:17:07.480 --> 2:17:10.640 a pipe bomb into a crowd of stormtroopers in the 2:17:10.680 --> 2:17:12.560 finale of season one. So these three are in hiding 2:17:12.600 --> 2:17:15.520 on this farm planet and are now in trouble because 2:17:15.640 --> 2:17:21.280 these Imperial Inspections and immigration officers are are on their tail. 2:17:21.600 --> 2:17:26.120 On Triandrilla, Man Mathma talks to Luthen, who's there for 2:17:26.120 --> 2:17:28.480 for work because he's like he's like an he's like 2:17:28.480 --> 2:17:31.959 an artifact, like a dealer. But she tells Luthen that 2:17:32.000 --> 2:17:34.280 the guy that that they were working with to to 2:17:34.400 --> 2:17:38.240 help Man Mathma secretly fund the rebellion is showing some 2:17:38.400 --> 2:17:41.560 erratic behavior and and and may and may need to 2:17:41.560 --> 2:17:45.680 be like, you know, bribed to keep quiet. Luthen, being 2:17:46.040 --> 2:17:49.320 smart and serious, knows that no, no, no, no no, 2:17:49.600 --> 2:17:52.360 you cannot simply bribe this man into silence. This man 2:17:52.400 --> 2:17:55.160 needs to get taken out right now. You need to 2:17:55.240 --> 2:17:55.800 close this. 2:17:56.480 --> 2:18:00.879 He brought in the cops like he brought in the 2:18:00.920 --> 2:18:04.560 fucking cops like he brought He has to die. That's 2:18:04.560 --> 2:18:05.240 the way these. 2:18:05.080 --> 2:18:08.920 Threatening to snitched. This guy needs to get dealt with immediately. 2:18:09.879 --> 2:18:12.080 The other plot point that I don't think we'll have 2:18:12.160 --> 2:18:15.920 much talk about but is very excellent. Our slimy weasel 2:18:16.000 --> 2:18:23.240 Cyril Carn and his new abusive girlfriend Dedra have have 2:18:23.440 --> 2:18:28.000 Cyril's wonderful mother over for dinner in just a fantastic, 2:18:28.600 --> 2:18:33.279 fantastically uncomfortable seed In less happy occurrences, as the Imperial 2:18:33.320 --> 2:18:36.880 officers investigate and search this farming planet, one of them 2:18:37.080 --> 2:18:42.080 tries to sexually assault Bix inside their little r V home. 2:18:42.520 --> 2:18:46.600 Bix kills him, and eventually and Or arrives with a tie. 2:18:46.640 --> 2:18:51.280 Avenger takes out this this Imperial battalion and Bix and 2:18:51.280 --> 2:18:53.879 and Or and the kid are able to escape, and 2:18:54.000 --> 2:18:59.560 Brasso unfortunately dies in a in a high speed speeder chase. 2:19:00.320 --> 2:19:02.520 He dies. It's it's it's an under It's like a 2:19:02.560 --> 2:19:06.200 believable move. Someone would make it under fire. But like, man, 2:19:06.240 --> 2:19:09.720 there's tall fucking grass. Just drop go to the ground, 2:19:09.879 --> 2:19:13.440 don't get on a motorbike. Well you're above the fucking crops. Like, 2:19:13.480 --> 2:19:16.040 get on the ground, high stressful environment. 2:19:18.000 --> 2:19:20.439 Right, It's it sucks, but it's but it's really people. 2:19:20.200 --> 2:19:22.720 Do stuff like that all the time in gunfights. Yes, 2:19:23.000 --> 2:19:24.840 so it's it's one of those where I was like no, 2:19:25.160 --> 2:19:29.600 but also like, yep, that's what happens. Yeah. 2:19:29.640 --> 2:19:32.320 One of the things that isn't really being talked about 2:19:32.320 --> 2:19:33.920 with the show, but I think it is actually is 2:19:34.000 --> 2:19:38.640 very important, is that it is absolutely unflinching in its 2:19:38.640 --> 2:19:41.120 depiction of patriarchy. Like I mean there's you know, there's 2:19:41.120 --> 2:19:45.640 this sort of obvious, horrifying scene of like this ice guy. 2:19:46.000 --> 2:19:48.680 I mean, increasingly over over the course of this thing, 2:19:48.760 --> 2:19:52.400 like just going from like hey, if you like date me, 2:19:52.879 --> 2:19:56.560 you can not get deported because we have to maintain. 2:19:56.320 --> 2:19:58.760 The I know you're illegal, and that's fine. 2:19:58.800 --> 2:20:01.120 We know we need a bun. We're not here to 2:20:01.200 --> 2:20:04.359 arrest everyone, right because we need the crops from this planet. 2:20:04.959 --> 2:20:07.320 But I am going to arrest some people, and I 2:20:07.360 --> 2:20:09.840 can make sure it's not you if you go on 2:20:09.879 --> 2:20:11.440 a quote unquote date with. 2:20:11.400 --> 2:20:13.240 Me, yeah, and then you know, and it's just and 2:20:13.400 --> 2:20:16.000 escalates from there and is just straight up like sexual assault, right, 2:20:16.400 --> 2:20:18.480 And this is really really I mean obviously it's jarring 2:20:18.520 --> 2:20:20.480 because it's you know, like it's an non sconscript depiction 2:20:20.560 --> 2:20:22.920 of a tempt of sexual assault and then she like 2:20:22.920 --> 2:20:25.080 does a fight and she kills them. Right, But this 2:20:25.160 --> 2:20:26.960 was also very very jarring to a lot of people 2:20:26.959 --> 2:20:28.959 because people are very and this is a Star Wars 2:20:29.080 --> 2:20:32.279 thing too, they are very used to seeing fascism depicted 2:20:32.360 --> 2:20:33.640 through its own self perception. 2:20:33.920 --> 2:20:34.120 Right. 2:20:34.560 --> 2:20:36.560 People are very very used to seeing fascism as something 2:20:36.560 --> 2:20:40.520 that is strong, that is ordered, as discipline that is dangerous. 2:20:40.640 --> 2:20:44.200 And the problem is the reality of fascism is that, 2:20:44.280 --> 2:20:46.600 like a lot of it is just a bunch of 2:20:46.640 --> 2:20:50.360 tipshit rapists who are like pretending to be those guys. Yeah, 2:20:50.400 --> 2:20:51.920 and you know, and this is one of the things 2:20:51.959 --> 2:20:54.440 Andrew has always been very very good at. Is you 2:20:54.480 --> 2:20:56.960 saw this last season right with with Dedra. Who is 2:20:57.200 --> 2:20:59.240 her thing is that she is, you know, of the 2:20:59.320 --> 2:21:01.320 very common amerror an archetype of the cop who breaks 2:21:01.360 --> 2:21:03.440 all the rules to get the job done. And then 2:21:03.520 --> 2:21:05.160 you know, and then like that that's how she first 2:21:05.240 --> 2:21:06.960 is first introduced, and then you see what that actually 2:21:07.000 --> 2:21:09.000 looks like in public, which is, you know, she is 2:21:09.760 --> 2:21:13.480 just straight up torturing bis with like the screams of 2:21:13.520 --> 2:21:15.760 an entire the death room of an entire species. 2:21:16.720 --> 2:21:17.840 And that's in season one. 2:21:18.000 --> 2:21:21.080 Yeah, yeah, that's the season one And and what's powerful 2:21:21.120 --> 2:21:22.920 about this is something and Or also does into the 2:21:22.920 --> 2:21:27.120 prison Break episodes is like this this fascist self perception, 2:21:27.440 --> 2:21:30.200 right of this sort of strong ordered, discipline, unified thing 2:21:30.520 --> 2:21:32.840 that is just propaganda. They are not actually like that 2:21:32.879 --> 2:21:37.320 behind the scenes, right, It's just these fucking incredibly violent, 2:21:37.480 --> 2:21:41.039 like petty losers doing this fucking shit. And then you know, 2:21:41.080 --> 2:21:42.600 I mean the other thing about about the sort of 2:21:42.600 --> 2:21:44.160 patriarchy side is that you see this on the other 2:21:44.200 --> 2:21:46.560 side with with mon Mathma's like, you know, her sort 2:21:46.560 --> 2:21:48.840 of like money cleaner, who's who's what her old friend 2:21:49.560 --> 2:21:52.680 take Coleman like like literally is is demanding that like 2:21:52.800 --> 2:21:55.680 Ma Mathma have sex with him in order for him 2:21:55.680 --> 2:21:58.800 to keep keep doing this money washing shit. And this 2:21:58.840 --> 2:22:00.879 is also something you see in bits all the time, 2:22:00.920 --> 2:22:04.160 which is like guys with resources using their access to 2:22:04.200 --> 2:22:07.119 resources to force themselves on women, like in the movements 2:22:07.120 --> 2:22:08.720 and this, and you know, and there's there's like a 2:22:08.720 --> 2:22:11.760 third dynamic here with with take Homa, which is like 2:22:11.879 --> 2:22:14.080 another thing you see all the time in movements is 2:22:14.400 --> 2:22:17.200 guy going through a divorce who goes completely off the 2:22:17.200 --> 2:22:21.240 fucking rails and starts doing shit that dangers everyone and 2:22:21.600 --> 2:22:23.600 you know, starts doing sort of like weird predatory shit, 2:22:23.760 --> 2:22:26.080 and I think, I don't know, there just hasn't been 2:22:26.120 --> 2:22:28.600 much analysis of like, yeah, this is these are all 2:22:29.560 --> 2:22:32.640 ways things like if you have been in movements, you 2:22:32.720 --> 2:22:35.080 have experienced patriarchy in all of these ways, you have 2:22:35.160 --> 2:22:39.120 experienced cops doing shit to you, you have experienced stuff 2:22:39.120 --> 2:22:39.840 from inside the movement. 2:22:40.200 --> 2:22:44.720 Fuck. A big part of how the major Greens organizations 2:22:44.720 --> 2:22:46.959 that were dismantling the Green Scare were taken down was 2:22:47.000 --> 2:22:49.520 through members of these different groups who had been doing 2:22:49.640 --> 2:22:53.480 direct action who were misogynists. Right. That is always an easy, 2:22:53.680 --> 2:22:56.840 easy way to break into and shatter a movement is 2:22:56.920 --> 2:22:59.680 find the guy who's got that going on about him 2:22:59.680 --> 2:23:00.240 and turns. 2:23:00.440 --> 2:23:01.880 Yeah, and you know, and you have that on one hand. 2:23:01.920 --> 2:23:03.600 On the other hand, with like the cops, this is 2:23:03.640 --> 2:23:06.920 like a very very common like cops just like sexually 2:23:06.920 --> 2:23:08.800 assaulting people for fun. It's like a thing that they 2:23:08.840 --> 2:23:10.720 do all the fucking time. And same thing with ice 2:23:10.760 --> 2:23:12.880 because I mean this is obviously like I don't think 2:23:12.879 --> 2:23:15.080 it say like this, this is just literally one to one. 2:23:15.240 --> 2:23:17.720 They're doing ice raids and star wars. Yeah, and the 2:23:17.760 --> 2:23:20.959 heroes are the people who like and or coming back 2:23:21.000 --> 2:23:24.680 with a tie fighter blowing them up right, like you know, yeah, 2:23:24.840 --> 2:23:27.039 Also I do want to someone landa know, I do 2:23:27.080 --> 2:23:29.920 want to point out that like this show also quietly 2:23:29.959 --> 2:23:32.600 has had like the most realistic lesbian relationship in all 2:23:32.640 --> 2:23:33.119 of Star. 2:23:32.959 --> 2:23:37.920 Wars, and this season is like, oh, someone on this 2:23:38.040 --> 2:23:41.279 crew is a lesbian because they have depicted my culture perfectly, 2:23:41.320 --> 2:23:43.840 which is uh the you know okay, so like the 2:23:44.360 --> 2:23:46.720 rich girl lesbian and the like broke. 2:23:46.560 --> 2:23:50.160 Non white like gorilla lesbian who came from nothing, his 2:23:50.200 --> 2:23:52.039 family was killed by the Empire, get together as an 2:23:52.080 --> 2:23:55.120 intense item dread in operation and then the moment the 2:23:55.160 --> 2:23:57.879 operation is over there broke girl was like, fuck, this 2:23:58.080 --> 2:24:00.680 was a bad idea. And now they're keep running into 2:24:00.680 --> 2:24:04.280 each other in movement things that are like they're sort 2:24:04.320 --> 2:24:06.880 of avoiding each other, and one of them is still 2:24:07.280 --> 2:24:10.480 the perfect in fiction to lesbian culture. Incredible, No notes 2:24:10.959 --> 2:24:13.840 loved the lesbian rebels. I'm happy for them. 2:24:14.520 --> 2:24:19.800 Oh incredible, Yeah, it's it's it's beautiful stuff. The quality 2:24:19.840 --> 2:24:22.640 of the writing, like everyone was worried who loved or 2:24:22.680 --> 2:24:25.560 season one, like well fuck how could it? How could 2:24:25.560 --> 2:24:29.080 they possibly how could they possibly compare with season one? 2:24:29.640 --> 2:24:34.680 And uh, it's just getting better. It's just they did 2:24:34.720 --> 2:24:37.800 it again somehow, you crazy bastards, You did it again. 2:24:39.560 --> 2:24:42.240 The thing I want to close on was with this wedding, 2:24:42.879 --> 2:24:45.520 which is there's a bunch of really fascinating things about it. 2:24:45.560 --> 2:24:48.160 One is that, okay, so on the very nonsubtle level, 2:24:48.240 --> 2:24:51.000 like they are cutting back and forth between everyone dancing 2:24:51.040 --> 2:24:53.560 to this like sort of tech upbeat techno thing, like 2:24:53.560 --> 2:24:56.240 they're cutting back and forth between like mon Mothma dancing 2:24:56.280 --> 2:24:58.480 at this wedding, and like the ice raid that's happening, 2:24:59.280 --> 2:25:01.200 which is like, you know, this is the level of 2:25:01.200 --> 2:25:03.120 political subtlety that you need to be working on with 2:25:03.160 --> 2:25:05.480 the American people. You have to just be like I'm 2:25:05.480 --> 2:25:07.240 hammering you over the head with the point which is 2:25:07.280 --> 2:25:10.360 like all of you motherfuckers are going to brunch and like, yeah, 2:25:10.480 --> 2:25:11.600 the ice rays are happening. 2:25:11.840 --> 2:25:14.800 Well, that is an aspect. I think it also proves 2:25:14.840 --> 2:25:17.760 there you can operate in that zone because men Mouthma 2:25:17.800 --> 2:25:18.920 is still a very important figure. 2:25:19.000 --> 2:25:23.839 Yes, starting is not just a useless lib right, She's critical. 2:25:23.760 --> 2:25:26.000 And you have someone like like Lucian who can put 2:25:26.000 --> 2:25:29.240 on nice clothes, can can do this persona and extract 2:25:29.400 --> 2:25:31.200 intel at this party. In one in one of the 2:25:31.240 --> 2:25:33.920 previous episodes, he's like talking with this guy who introduces 2:25:33.920 --> 2:25:36.280 his son who is in the Imperial Navy, and he 2:25:36.360 --> 2:25:38.040 was talking about like like like a like a recent 2:25:38.080 --> 2:25:41.440 operation on a planet, and Luten was like, oh, really 2:25:41.640 --> 2:25:44.000 tell me more, and like it's like you can, you can. 2:25:44.000 --> 2:25:46.840 You can still extract information at these like places where 2:25:47.200 --> 2:25:51.119 power is like flaunted and exchanged. Yes, they are still bad. 2:25:51.200 --> 2:25:54.000 But if you are like an aspiring rebel, yeah you 2:25:54.040 --> 2:25:56.680 can use these places to your advantage. But no, there 2:25:56.680 --> 2:26:00.200 absolutely still is. This is this juxtaposition of yeah, this 2:26:00.360 --> 2:26:04.640 like you know, riotous party with with like this horrific 2:26:04.680 --> 2:26:08.200 ice raid and yeah, like the material conditions in these 2:26:08.320 --> 2:26:11.520 people's lives is very different. Even even if man Mathma's 2:26:11.520 --> 2:26:14.680 doing good stuff still as like an Imperial senator, her 2:26:14.760 --> 2:26:17.480 everyday life is very different to complete someone who's having 2:26:17.480 --> 2:26:19.080 to hide from like ice agents. 2:26:19.320 --> 2:26:19.520 Now. 2:26:19.720 --> 2:26:21.800 The other thing though, that is going on in this scene. 2:26:21.840 --> 2:26:25.320 It's not purely these are the wealthy partying as these 2:26:25.400 --> 2:26:27.840 nightmare raids go down. The other thing that's going on 2:26:27.959 --> 2:26:31.040 is mon Mathma is emotionally accepting this guy who was 2:26:31.480 --> 2:26:34.600 my lover for a long time and who is a 2:26:34.640 --> 2:26:38.000 dear friend of mine is going to be killed. And 2:26:38.240 --> 2:26:40.920 I have accepted the necessity. And the only thing for 2:26:40.959 --> 2:26:42.680 me to do right now is to get so drunk 2:26:42.720 --> 2:26:43.560 that I can't feel it. 2:26:44.360 --> 2:26:49.520 Yeah, is to do drugs, wreck drink. And that's how 2:26:49.520 --> 2:26:52.360 you exist under like the horrific conditions that the Empire 2:26:52.400 --> 2:26:53.320 forces you to live under. 2:26:53.440 --> 2:26:53.680 Yeah. 2:26:53.920 --> 2:26:57.360 Yeah, And there's this fascinating thing. And I know this 2:26:57.520 --> 2:27:00.400 especially watching back season one. If you look, if you 2:27:00.400 --> 2:27:01.920 go back and watch those scenes and you look at 2:27:01.959 --> 2:27:03.600 the way it's lit. You look at the way that 2:27:03.640 --> 2:27:07.320 there's just the stark like white light coming through the windows. 2:27:07.360 --> 2:27:09.119 This is not how it's lit in season one, right, 2:27:09.480 --> 2:27:11.720 This is a very deliberate choice. Almost everyone else who 2:27:11.800 --> 2:27:14.400 does this scene would do this sort of like warm, rich, 2:27:14.800 --> 2:27:16.879 like golden lighting, because that's like that's how you do 2:27:16.920 --> 2:27:20.000 these sort of like fancy wedding things. And this the 2:27:20.080 --> 2:27:22.040 way that it is lit is the same way that 2:27:22.080 --> 2:27:24.280 they're lighting all of the like like the stark white 2:27:24.280 --> 2:27:27.080 imperial corridors, and there's this very you know, and so 2:27:27.200 --> 2:27:29.000 like like it's working on like all of these sort 2:27:29.040 --> 2:27:33.320 of like levels of like like visual metaphor of of 2:27:33.360 --> 2:27:35.480 all of this, just like oh yeah, this is also 2:27:35.520 --> 2:27:39.760 imperial space, right, and everyone here is operating either like 2:27:40.160 --> 2:27:42.240 regardless of what side they're on, they're operating like in 2:27:42.360 --> 2:27:45.920 imperial terrain in this sort of like thing. As Asma 2:27:45.959 --> 2:27:48.279 Motha also was just dealing with like her kid becoming 2:27:48.320 --> 2:27:50.480 a tradcath and like trying to talk her kid out 2:27:50.480 --> 2:27:53.480 of being a tradcath or a kid FU share at 2:27:53.520 --> 2:27:56.080 her for being like, hey, maybe you shouldn't do this 2:27:56.200 --> 2:27:58.320 like weird marriage thing when you're like. 2:27:58.280 --> 2:27:59.960 A chire like twelve year old marriage. 2:28:00.240 --> 2:28:03.119 Yeah, yeah, I think I think the place I want 2:28:03.120 --> 2:28:04.720 to end on is there was a really interesting thing 2:28:04.760 --> 2:28:09.080 where like the Disney account like just posted a video 2:28:09.400 --> 2:28:10.680 like I think it was on Twitter that was just 2:28:10.680 --> 2:28:14.120 one the like one hour of Mathmaed dancing. Yeah, And 2:28:14.160 --> 2:28:17.679 there was like a fascinating reaction to this of like 2:28:17.680 --> 2:28:19.240 like cause on the one hand, there's always people like 2:28:19.240 --> 2:28:22.959 who I know, Victoria Zeller, who's a trans writer, who 2:28:22.959 --> 2:28:24.400 I follow, who up probably we're talking to on the 2:28:24.440 --> 2:28:26.400 show at some point soon I had this thing, but 2:28:26.440 --> 2:28:28.160 like oh yeah, like there are also there's just gonna 2:28:28.200 --> 2:28:30.879 be weddings that are like based on this Chandulaine wedding thing, 2:28:30.879 --> 2:28:32.840 and like in like two or three years, we're gonna 2:28:32.840 --> 2:28:35.360 be seeing this And there's just interesting dynamic where like 2:28:35.360 --> 2:28:37.240 on the one hand you have the people who were 2:28:37.280 --> 2:28:40.080 just completely focused on the aesthetic, and then the other hand 2:28:40.120 --> 2:28:41.720 you have the people who were like, oh yeah, I 2:28:41.840 --> 2:28:45.039 like this is this is fucking me getting just absolutely 2:28:45.080 --> 2:28:48.800 fucked up as like all of the fucking horrors play 2:28:48.800 --> 2:28:50.880 out around us and having to like deal with and 2:28:50.920 --> 2:28:52.680 fight all the fucking horrors, while like all of the 2:28:52.720 --> 2:28:56.240 people around me are just like kind of just completely 2:28:56.320 --> 2:28:57.280 checked out. 2:28:57.440 --> 2:29:00.040 And I thought it was just like fascinating. 2:28:59.480 --> 2:29:02.039 Watching that's to play out on social media and on 2:29:02.800 --> 2:29:06.440 in real life like this. You know, they're being very 2:29:06.600 --> 2:29:09.520 very literal about how it works, and it's working. 2:29:09.640 --> 2:29:10.640 I'm seeing people do it. 2:29:10.760 --> 2:29:10.960 Yeah. 2:29:12.160 --> 2:29:14.600 The last thing I do want to mention is just 2:29:14.680 --> 2:29:17.800 a big shout out to Cyril, to Cyril Karn's Italian 2:29:17.879 --> 2:29:18.440 Jewish mother. 2:29:18.920 --> 2:29:23.840 Yeah, oh yeah, the best, the best villain in Star Wars, 2:29:24.240 --> 2:29:26.800 Darth Vader ain't got shit. 2:29:27.080 --> 2:29:29.520 Not nearly as scary as Cerrel Krn's other No. 2:29:29.680 --> 2:29:32.160 I would take him in a fight over her any day. 2:29:32.879 --> 2:29:36.080 How However, one of the interesting parts about this little 2:29:36.080 --> 2:29:39.400 like like dinner party is how Cyril Krn's like FBI 2:29:39.520 --> 2:29:43.240 agent abusive girlfriend. The moment Cyril is out of the room, 2:29:43.640 --> 2:29:47.120 she like takes control of this mother, using like all 2:29:47.160 --> 2:29:52.320 of her like imperial interrogation and like intimidation tactics, and 2:29:52.320 --> 2:29:54.320 it's like, no, no, no, you don't understand how this 2:29:54.400 --> 2:29:56.600 relationship is going to go. I am in charge here. 2:29:56.680 --> 2:30:00.040 I will dictate when Cyril can see you, how I 2:30:00.040 --> 2:30:03.120 will dictate how your relationship with your son is going 2:30:03.160 --> 2:30:05.879 to go, because like Cyril is like my like pet, 2:30:06.080 --> 2:30:09.520 like I run everything and things will go according to 2:30:09.560 --> 2:30:10.240 my wishes. 2:30:10.480 --> 2:30:13.240 See. I had a very different interpretation of that really, 2:30:13.360 --> 2:30:16.040 because number one, she is not on board she's going 2:30:16.040 --> 2:30:20.000 to be doing part of the Gorman genocide. She doesn't 2:30:20.120 --> 2:30:22.520 like the plan. She doesn't like that she's involved. This 2:30:22.600 --> 2:30:24.000 is not what she wants to be doing. She wants 2:30:24.040 --> 2:30:26.280 to be hunting Luther. Yes, I agreed, And I think 2:30:26.280 --> 2:30:28.720 part of it is that she doesn't like and I 2:30:29.200 --> 2:30:31.840 think this will become increasingly clear. She's not thrilled that 2:30:31.879 --> 2:30:34.400 Cyril's going to get involved in this shit because it's 2:30:34.480 --> 2:30:37.400 dangerous what I thought they were kind of showing we've 2:30:37.440 --> 2:30:40.000 been seeing her like abuse him. I don't think we've 2:30:40.040 --> 2:30:43.120 seen her be mean to him other than like initially 2:30:43.120 --> 2:30:45.119 when that before they were dating, she didn't take him 2:30:45.120 --> 2:30:46.840 seriously until she saved her life. 2:30:47.120 --> 2:30:50.440 Well, I know, he's like a weird stalker beforehand. 2:30:50.520 --> 2:30:52.039 He is a little bit of a stock and. 2:30:52.000 --> 2:30:54.760 She is, like I think you can absolutely interpret some 2:30:54.800 --> 2:30:57.440 of some of her behaviors as like a degree of 2:30:57.480 --> 2:30:58.000 like emotionally. 2:30:58.000 --> 2:31:01.160 Abu says, it's not just a couple before their dating. 2:31:01.200 --> 2:31:03.920 Yeah, maybe I don't know fascist for fascist couple. I 2:31:04.760 --> 2:31:07.360 think there's elements and including like the earlier scene of 2:31:07.400 --> 2:31:09.920 them in the apartment, where like both of them are 2:31:09.920 --> 2:31:11.760 like very uncomfortable around each other. 2:31:12.480 --> 2:31:16.400 They're awkward people, but like they're I one of the 2:31:16.440 --> 2:31:19.280 things I appreciated about this is that, like she is 2:31:19.320 --> 2:31:23.119 a monster. We see her doing exclusively evil things. And 2:31:23.120 --> 2:31:26.680 then Cyril, because his mom is so cruel to him, 2:31:26.760 --> 2:31:29.400 does the most relatable thing anyone does in this show 2:31:29.480 --> 2:31:31.440 and goes and lies down on his bed and has 2:31:31.440 --> 2:31:34.119 a panic attack in the middle of their dinner. And 2:31:34.200 --> 2:31:37.240 that's when she and that's when she says look, bitch, 2:31:37.520 --> 2:31:40.320 this is how shit's and she's being a good girlfriend 2:31:40.320 --> 2:31:42.119 in that moment, she's getting his mom off his back. 2:31:42.160 --> 2:31:45.360 I definitely interpret this scene differently. She did also threaten 2:31:45.400 --> 2:31:51.440 to arrest his uncle, like she does threaten to send 2:31:51.440 --> 2:31:54.840 his uncle to forever jail. Yeah, no, I can see 2:31:54.840 --> 2:31:56.480 how you would read it that way. I think I 2:31:56.520 --> 2:31:59.720 definitely do interpret this scene a little bit differently, And 2:31:59.800 --> 2:32:01.879 I I think the beauty of good writing is this 2:32:01.920 --> 2:32:04.120 ability to look at this relationship in multiple ways. 2:32:04.560 --> 2:32:07.160 What I like about the way The Empire is written 2:32:07.320 --> 2:32:09.800 is that they're not caricatures, but not in a way 2:32:09.840 --> 2:32:12.120 where they're being like, well, the Empire's got a point, 2:32:12.120 --> 2:32:14.720 but in the way that like, yeah, these are people, 2:32:14.800 --> 2:32:17.760 and I understand how folks, why folks would want to 2:32:17.760 --> 2:32:20.960 be a part of this system outside of just like 2:32:21.080 --> 2:32:24.640 the cruelty that it does. Like Partigaz, who is like 2:32:24.680 --> 2:32:27.959 the leader of the ISB section that we're watching, is 2:32:28.000 --> 2:32:31.680 a really good boss. He listens to his subordinates, he 2:32:31.720 --> 2:32:34.120 tells them when their ideas suck. He does not spare 2:32:34.200 --> 2:32:38.840 their feelings, but he's he rewards initiative and he's willing 2:32:38.920 --> 2:32:42.520 to like be proven wrong or argued with like when 2:32:42.560 --> 2:32:45.039 people are forceful against him and make a good point, 2:32:45.040 --> 2:32:47.120 He's like, all right, well let's try it. And I 2:32:47.160 --> 2:32:49.480 love showcasing that in the same way that like, if 2:32:49.520 --> 2:32:51.880 you talk to people who worked for like work for 2:32:51.920 --> 2:32:54.520 companies like Raytheon, they'll be like, yeah, it was a 2:32:54.600 --> 2:32:57.160 nightmare evil that we were making, and like a very 2:32:57.200 --> 2:33:00.920 healthy working environment. And that is often the case with 2:33:01.360 --> 2:33:04.200 some of the most evil organizations on the planet, Like 2:33:04.320 --> 2:33:08.039 people who are very good at managing people often wind 2:33:08.160 --> 2:33:12.120 up like That's what makes fascist systems so dangerous. It's 2:33:12.160 --> 2:33:14.600 not that everyone in this is incompetent. It's that there 2:33:14.640 --> 2:33:18.080 are sometimes people who are very good organizers and very 2:33:18.200 --> 2:33:21.960 competent leaders who wind up in these systems, and that's 2:33:22.000 --> 2:33:23.920 part of what allows the evil to happen. 2:33:24.160 --> 2:33:25.920 The point of Android, the point of Star Wars is 2:33:25.959 --> 2:33:28.720 that also you could out organize them and beat them. 2:33:29.280 --> 2:33:31.480 So message of hope. 2:33:31.400 --> 2:33:35.200 Yes, yes, I mean fundamentally the show is very hopeful 2:33:35.240 --> 2:33:37.760 because the empire number one, we know the empire falls, 2:33:37.760 --> 2:33:41.920 but number two we're seeing we're seeing like why right, 2:33:42.000 --> 2:33:46.760 which is this attempt to control everything that inevitably creates 2:33:46.800 --> 2:33:48.960 more fires than you can put out. Yeah. 2:33:49.480 --> 2:33:51.920 The tighter they hold their grip, the more systems will 2:33:51.920 --> 2:33:55.000 slip through their fingers. Yeah, yep, which is the line 2:33:55.000 --> 2:33:56.800 from the theory twink in season one. 2:33:57.040 --> 2:33:57.360 Yeah. 2:33:57.400 --> 2:33:59.240 And I think what makes Androws some specials is this 2:33:59.560 --> 2:34:02.680 does fill in this gap of like when we jump 2:34:02.720 --> 2:34:04.440 into like a new hope, you have this fully like 2:34:04.560 --> 2:34:06.960 complete like rebel alliance, right it is. It is an 2:34:06.959 --> 2:34:09.440 alliance of different rebel cells that have come together to 2:34:09.520 --> 2:34:12.720 do like like a large scale military action. It takes 2:34:12.760 --> 2:34:14.560 a lot of build up to get an alliance of 2:34:14.600 --> 2:34:17.720 rebel cells, a whole bunch of like individual like rebel 2:34:17.800 --> 2:34:20.680 terrast cells have usually have a very hard time working 2:34:20.720 --> 2:34:22.800 with each other. Yes, and it's very hard forget them 2:34:22.840 --> 2:34:26.119 to coordinate. And and Or is the story of watching 2:34:26.200 --> 2:34:30.080 these like many different cells slowly start to figure out 2:34:30.120 --> 2:34:32.120 that maybe it would make more sense if we work 2:34:32.200 --> 2:34:35.520 together instead of just doing random small crimes and like 2:34:35.600 --> 2:34:40.359 hits on individual planets or imperial processing plants. The ability 2:34:40.400 --> 2:34:43.320 to see these cells come together is what makes I 2:34:43.320 --> 2:34:45.680 think and Or so special. And And for the rest 2:34:45.680 --> 2:34:48.040 of the season, We're going to move forward a year 2:34:48.120 --> 2:34:49.800 at a time all the way up to the beginning 2:34:49.840 --> 2:34:52.600 of rogue where then we do have the like the 2:34:52.640 --> 2:34:56.120 completed rebel alliance. So I am I'm excited to watch 2:34:56.120 --> 2:34:57.039 that development. 2:34:57.120 --> 2:35:26.279 Yep, all right, well see you next week. This is it, sorry, 2:35:26.640 --> 2:35:29.040 Garrison in you. 2:35:29.280 --> 2:35:31.600 It's we have a whole thing that we've been doing. 2:35:31.720 --> 2:35:32.680 Happen we have been. 2:35:33.040 --> 2:35:36.880 This is the first episode that started differently in like twelve. 2:35:37.000 --> 2:35:38.800 You're right, you're right. Why don't you why don't you 2:35:38.840 --> 2:35:41.560 introduce erectile dysfunction or whatever we call this? 2:35:41.640 --> 2:35:44.560 That's not what it's called. 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Some very important 2:36:25.400 --> 2:36:28.119 news just dropped from the real raw news Twitter account. 2:36:28.440 --> 2:36:31.160 Oh boys, sharing what you don't want shared one hundred 2:36:31.160 --> 2:36:34.520 and seven thousand followers. Special forces that accompanied President Trump 2:36:34.560 --> 2:36:37.760 to the Pope's funeral arrested Biden for treason afterward, but 2:36:37.840 --> 2:36:39.600 it turned out to be a body double. 2:36:39.840 --> 2:36:45.280 So breaking news turns out breaking us. Joe still has 2:36:45.320 --> 2:36:50.240 a trigger two up his sleep. Patriots not in control. 2:36:50.400 --> 2:36:52.800 What a beautiful world people must live. 2:36:53.080 --> 2:36:55.480 I desperately want to lift in the world where like 2:36:56.200 --> 2:36:59.640 Joe Biden is a Saga Rara type rebel figure, like 2:37:00.080 --> 2:37:03.800 tricking special forces with body doubles, hiding in the mountains. 2:37:04.480 --> 2:37:06.440 They called him Joe the Jackal for a reason. 2:37:06.520 --> 2:37:09.280 Yeah, he locked up in a Vatican vaults where he's 2:37:09.320 --> 2:37:10.320 scheming his return. 2:37:10.440 --> 2:37:12.959 He just stolen nuke from Fort Leonard Wood. 2:37:14.480 --> 2:37:17.640 Oh boy, he's in a tiny submarine making its way 2:37:17.680 --> 2:37:18.560 to keep it right. 2:37:18.440 --> 2:37:20.480 Now, I guess you know, speaking of the Pope, But 2:37:20.560 --> 2:37:25.640 Trump himself has announced his running for the pope ship paper. 2:37:25.680 --> 2:37:28.000 Why not let him have it. Let him have it. 2:37:28.280 --> 2:37:29.960 We will keep a close eye on that. 2:37:30.240 --> 2:37:33.360 Let him have it. But make Stanley Tucci do whatever 2:37:33.440 --> 2:37:35.640 job Stanley Tucci had in conclave. 2:37:35.280 --> 2:37:37.039 Make him the lib A cuck cardinal why not? 2:37:37.320 --> 2:37:40.720 That's right, that's right, speaking of lib No, speaking of 2:37:40.840 --> 2:37:44.080 judges who actually exercised a great deal of personal courage. 2:37:44.320 --> 2:37:46.120 There have been two cases in the last week or 2:37:46.200 --> 2:37:49.959 so of judges being arrested and charged by the Trump 2:37:50.000 --> 2:37:53.680 administration with crimes that are all related to aiding and 2:37:53.720 --> 2:37:57.000 abetting undocumented immigrants. Right, yeah, I'm going to start with 2:37:57.040 --> 2:38:00.440 the case of Hannah Dugan. Hannah Dugan is is a 2:38:00.560 --> 2:38:05.080 Wisconsin She's a Milwaukee County Circuit judge. She was sworn 2:38:05.080 --> 2:38:08.160 in in twenty sixteen. So she's I wanted to say, 2:38:08.200 --> 2:38:09.720 I wanted to say she hasn't been doing this very long, 2:38:09.760 --> 2:38:11.840 but no, that's literally like nine years, eight or nine years, 2:38:11.879 --> 2:38:14.360 so she's been doing this a spell. She's sixty five 2:38:14.400 --> 2:38:17.360 years old. And on March twelfth, there was a fellow 2:38:17.440 --> 2:38:20.680 Flora's Ruiz is his last name, He's thirty years old, 2:38:21.040 --> 2:38:25.480 who was arrested after basically there was a confrontation between 2:38:25.560 --> 2:38:29.320 him and his roommates for him playing loud music. He 2:38:29.440 --> 2:38:32.760 was confronted for this on March twelfth, and he allegedly 2:38:32.800 --> 2:38:35.600 fought with a male roommate in the kitchen. A woman 2:38:35.720 --> 2:38:37.440 I'm not sure if she was a roommate or just there, 2:38:37.480 --> 2:38:40.840 tried to break them up. Two women eventually did. One 2:38:40.879 --> 2:38:44.959 of them got elbowed in the arm, allegedly by Flores Ruiz. 2:38:45.600 --> 2:38:48.280 One of them was struck while trying to break them up. 2:38:48.320 --> 2:38:51.120 It is unclear to the degree to which I'm hearing 2:38:51.160 --> 2:38:53.320 a lot of people like I went to the centrist 2:38:53.400 --> 2:38:56.640 subreddit to season they're like, well, a serial abuser of women. 2:38:56.760 --> 2:38:58.960 That's not really what he's being accused of. There's like 2:38:59.000 --> 2:39:01.680 a fight between him and another guy, and it got chaotic. 2:39:01.800 --> 2:39:05.080 One person elbowed in the arm. I'm sorry, I don't 2:39:05.080 --> 2:39:07.920 consider that serious domestic abuse unless it's part of a pattern. 2:39:07.959 --> 2:39:10.520 If it's literally he was fighting a guy and other 2:39:10.560 --> 2:39:12.880 people swarmed in and some of them one of them 2:39:12.920 --> 2:39:15.200 got elbowed. I don't know about this woman that he's 2:39:15.240 --> 2:39:18.119 alleged of striking. To what degree did he haul off 2:39:18.120 --> 2:39:19.720 and punch he or was it again, there was this 2:39:19.800 --> 2:39:23.000 chaotic struggle and several people got struck in the middle 2:39:23.000 --> 2:39:25.360 of it. Right, this isn't like great, but this is 2:39:25.400 --> 2:39:28.680 certainly not. The evidence that has been provided by the 2:39:28.720 --> 2:39:31.120 state here in this case is not that this is 2:39:31.160 --> 2:39:34.080 a serial domestic abuser of women. It's a guy who 2:39:34.160 --> 2:39:36.600 was involved in a chaotic fight with a roommate and 2:39:36.640 --> 2:39:39.520 a couple of other people. Right, So he's being charged 2:39:39.560 --> 2:39:42.920 with misdemeanor domestic battery as a result of this. He 2:39:42.959 --> 2:39:44.880 faces up to nine months in prison and a ten 2:39:44.920 --> 2:39:47.760 thousand dollars fine on each count if convicted, and he 2:39:47.840 --> 2:39:50.800 has not been convicted and is innocent until proven guilty. 2:39:51.320 --> 2:39:55.320 So he went up in front of Judge Dugan literally 2:39:55.320 --> 2:39:58.440 a few days ago when we record this, and while 2:39:58.520 --> 2:40:00.959 she was in the midst of like having this like 2:40:01.080 --> 2:40:03.360 court meeting. Basically, I think this was kind of like 2:40:03.360 --> 2:40:06.080 a pre trial deal right where they're where they're kind 2:40:06.120 --> 2:40:08.480 of like setting the ground rules of things. She finds 2:40:08.520 --> 2:40:11.000 out that Ice is in the courthouse and that they 2:40:11.040 --> 2:40:14.880 are looking for Flores Ruiz, and so she gets really 2:40:14.959 --> 2:40:17.959 angry because based on what Wisconsin has stated, like the 2:40:18.040 --> 2:40:20.480 actual like law in the state, they are not supposed 2:40:20.520 --> 2:40:23.680 to be interfering in actual court proceedings. And part of 2:40:23.680 --> 2:40:26.879 the reason why is that the courts don't want people 2:40:26.959 --> 2:40:30.760 to be dissuaded from dealing with their state level court 2:40:30.800 --> 2:40:33.720 issues by the fact that Ice might pick them up. Right, 2:40:33.800 --> 2:40:36.320 It will stop people, It will make people go on 2:40:36.360 --> 2:40:39.080 the run. It makes it very difficult to enforce law 2:40:39.120 --> 2:40:39.600 and order. 2:40:39.920 --> 2:40:42.200 And it also think victims, right, Like I've said, at 2:40:42.240 --> 2:40:43.879 least to have some makes it difficult. 2:40:43.520 --> 2:40:46.280 For victims to get any sort of justice. Yes, yeah. 2:40:46.440 --> 2:40:48.960 The FBI FI David describes her as getting visibly angry 2:40:49.040 --> 2:40:52.480 when Immigration shows up and she leaves the bench, right, 2:40:52.920 --> 2:40:55.840 and she retreats to her chambers and I think confers 2:40:55.840 --> 2:40:58.480 with another judge, and she and that judge then approached 2:40:58.520 --> 2:41:02.320 the arrest team inside the court courthouse. The affidavit describes 2:41:02.320 --> 2:41:05.920 her as having a confrontational, angry demeanor. She basically keeps saying, 2:41:06.080 --> 2:41:09.240 show me a fucking warrant, right, And they don't have 2:41:09.480 --> 2:41:11.760 a quote unquote real warrant, right, They do not have 2:41:11.800 --> 2:41:14.880 a criminal arrest warrant. They have an administrative warrant, which, 2:41:14.959 --> 2:41:18.039 based on the actual law, they do not. She does 2:41:18.080 --> 2:41:20.440 not have to let them in, right, That is not 2:41:20.520 --> 2:41:23.600 the way these things fucking work right into the courtroom 2:41:23.680 --> 2:41:26.440 to like interrupt the proceedings. On the strength of this warrant. 2:41:26.800 --> 2:41:28.840 She tells them to speak with the chief judge, and 2:41:28.879 --> 2:41:32.120 she leads them away from the courtroom. Right. Once she 2:41:32.280 --> 2:41:35.000 sends them to the chief Judge's office, this is where 2:41:35.040 --> 2:41:37.600 the thing that may in fact be criminal behavior comes in. 2:41:38.040 --> 2:41:41.160 Dugan goes back into the courtroom and says something along 2:41:41.200 --> 2:41:43.199 the lines of weight, come with me, and then takes 2:41:43.240 --> 2:41:46.080 Flora's Ruiz and his lawyer through the jury door into 2:41:46.120 --> 2:41:49.040 a non public area of the courthouse. Right, this is 2:41:49.040 --> 2:41:52.440 not normal behavior. And Ice is alleging that this is 2:41:52.440 --> 2:41:55.240 interfering with the duties of federal agents. Right, that she's 2:41:55.280 --> 2:41:59.600 basically hiding an undocumented immigrant who is being actively tracked 2:41:59.600 --> 2:42:02.480 by Ice, right, and that that is a federal crime. 2:42:02.920 --> 2:42:05.080 And so that is the situation. Right when it was 2:42:05.120 --> 2:42:07.840 found out that this was happening, the FBI and ICE 2:42:08.240 --> 2:42:12.720 arrested her. She has since bailed out. She is facing 2:42:12.959 --> 2:42:17.440 several federal charges, and it's, you know, kind of unclear 2:42:17.480 --> 2:42:19.959 where this case is going to go. In terms of 2:42:19.959 --> 2:42:23.240 her initial behavior, she was absolutely legally in the right 2:42:23.280 --> 2:42:26.240 that administrative warrant did not give Ice the right to 2:42:26.320 --> 2:42:29.840 interrupt the court proceedings. She led them to the chief 2:42:29.920 --> 2:42:33.480 judge that was all entirely within the law. We're going 2:42:33.520 --> 2:42:37.920 to learn how the law adjudicates what she did afterwards, right, 2:42:38.000 --> 2:42:40.560 taking these people through, because it's not illegal to lead 2:42:40.600 --> 2:42:43.720 people through a backdoor. It's not a crime to tell 2:42:43.760 --> 2:42:47.320 people to leave this way. But what may be adjudicated 2:42:47.320 --> 2:42:49.720 as a crime is that by doing this, she was 2:42:49.760 --> 2:42:53.000 helping to aid in a bet the escape of a fugitive. Right, 2:42:53.320 --> 2:42:55.440 And that is the argument that the federal government is 2:42:55.480 --> 2:42:56.000 making here. 2:42:56.400 --> 2:42:58.840 Yeah, they didn't leave the building at that point, right, 2:42:58.959 --> 2:43:01.920 because in the charging documents, then an ice agent gets 2:43:01.920 --> 2:43:04.320 in the elevator with them, yeah, and decides not to 2:43:04.800 --> 2:43:06.440 detain them at that point for some reason. 2:43:06.720 --> 2:43:09.240 Yeah. Yeah, I believe that's what happened. And that part 2:43:09.280 --> 2:43:11.400 of is why I think they picked this case, because 2:43:11.440 --> 2:43:14.120 they thought it was close enough on the edge enough 2:43:14.760 --> 2:43:17.240 that they could charge a judge. And I think that 2:43:17.440 --> 2:43:19.520 is the purpose of this more than going after this, 2:43:19.680 --> 2:43:21.520 And that's why they've been going to these courtses. They 2:43:21.520 --> 2:43:24.959 have been looking, they've been shopping for a situation like this, right, 2:43:25.040 --> 2:43:27.240 And part because one of the first things that happened 2:43:27.280 --> 2:43:30.600 is the Wisconsin Supreme Court suspended Judge Dugan right because 2:43:30.600 --> 2:43:33.280 She's been charged with two federal counts, and this is 2:43:33.320 --> 2:43:36.000 a normal thing. If a judge gets accused of federal crimes, 2:43:36.200 --> 2:43:39.560 you would, in normal terms, want them to be suspended 2:43:39.560 --> 2:43:41.760 because those crimes are probably something like they were selling 2:43:41.840 --> 2:43:44.160 children to a child prison, which is a thing that 2:43:44.200 --> 2:43:46.760 happened to Trump. Pardon the judges responsible, right, you would 2:43:46.800 --> 2:43:49.760 want those people not trying cases while this was going on. 2:43:50.240 --> 2:43:52.000 But what's going to be done here, and what's already 2:43:52.000 --> 2:43:54.520 being done here, is that judges that are friendly to 2:43:54.879 --> 2:43:58.080 and sympathetic to undocumented people and who are not gigantic 2:43:58.120 --> 2:44:00.720 pieces of shit. And Judge Dugan comes out of a 2:44:00.720 --> 2:44:04.280 public defense background. This is somebody who defended people like 2:44:04.760 --> 2:44:07.360 the defendant in this case in her previous life as 2:44:07.400 --> 2:44:11.240 a lawyer, and I think acted with tremendous courage in 2:44:11.280 --> 2:44:14.520 this situation to try to protect somebody. They are going 2:44:14.560 --> 2:44:16.680 after her because number one, they want to chill other 2:44:16.760 --> 2:44:18.440 judges from doing this, and number two, they can keep 2:44:18.480 --> 2:44:20.960 her off the bench right and assume she will be 2:44:21.000 --> 2:44:23.680 replaced with somebody worse, or that they will just clog 2:44:23.760 --> 2:44:26.440 up the system, either way of which works in their favor. 2:44:26.959 --> 2:44:31.760 So it will be unclear how things are going to 2:44:32.440 --> 2:44:35.400 work out in this case. I can't tell you legally 2:44:35.840 --> 2:44:38.840 what's going to happen. That could go either way. I 2:44:38.840 --> 2:44:40.400 can tell you, and I think this is a very 2:44:40.440 --> 2:44:44.400 important point. It's a point Jared Yate Sexton, who's a 2:44:44.440 --> 2:44:48.560 scholar on fascism, made online about this particular case, is 2:44:48.800 --> 2:44:50.720 we shouldn't give a shit if she broke the law. 2:44:50.800 --> 2:44:53.400 She did the right thing. These people are doing the 2:44:53.440 --> 2:44:56.480 wrong thing and they need to be stopped right And 2:44:56.520 --> 2:44:59.119 that is my overall stance. What she did was heroic 2:44:59.640 --> 2:45:03.920 and we should support her and fuck these people. I 2:45:03.920 --> 2:45:07.680 don't know, yeah, yep, yep. I don't have a complicated 2:45:07.680 --> 2:45:08.160 take on this. 2:45:08.440 --> 2:45:12.520 Solidarity with the Wisconsin judiciary or at least one of them. 2:45:12.760 --> 2:45:13.680 At least one of them. 2:45:13.840 --> 2:45:16.119 Yeah. I have a friend who knows her and says 2:45:16.120 --> 2:45:18.520 she's a very nice person, and her actions in this 2:45:18.560 --> 2:45:21.280 case certainly would seem to suggest that she's a very nice, 2:45:21.360 --> 2:45:22.600 good courageous person. 2:45:22.800 --> 2:45:26.440 Yeah, and like just to there's conceivably like a person 2:45:26.560 --> 2:45:29.400 listening who thinks that I know, these deportation things are okay. 2:45:29.520 --> 2:45:33.440 I know if you are, fuck you, why this isn't 2:45:33.520 --> 2:45:34.560 for you? Go away? 2:45:34.920 --> 2:45:35.120 Yeah? 2:45:35.200 --> 2:45:36.760 Well, yeah, we don't make it. You know what, you 2:45:36.760 --> 2:45:42.560 put rocks in your pockets and yeah, there's bodies of it. 2:45:42.640 --> 2:45:44.840 Whatever the. 2:45:46.440 --> 2:45:49.280 Even if you fucking like the deportation for whatever reason, 2:45:49.920 --> 2:45:52.520 you should be able to understand that doing this in 2:45:52.560 --> 2:45:56.360 court houses is bad. Like if a let's just take 2:45:56.400 --> 2:45:58.840 an example, right, Like, if a woman who is undocumented 2:45:59.040 --> 2:46:03.280 is subc to domestic violence, right, going to testifying court 2:46:03.320 --> 2:46:06.680 could lead to her being deported, Like, this is fucking bad. 2:46:06.920 --> 2:46:09.039 It could subject her to even more violence from the 2:46:09.080 --> 2:46:12.840 state from yet wherever she's trying to flee from, yeah. 2:46:13.080 --> 2:46:15.880 To being detained with people, yeah, yes, if you believe 2:46:15.920 --> 2:46:19.040 in the judicial system, right like, this stops it functioning. 2:46:19.440 --> 2:46:22.720 Also, I want to say this too, if you're purely 2:46:22.760 --> 2:46:24.760 coming at this from a perspective of like, well, I'm 2:46:24.760 --> 2:46:27.920 still a law and order guy, this also vastly endangers 2:46:27.959 --> 2:46:32.200 Wisconsin police because if every undocumented person who gets accused 2:46:32.200 --> 2:46:35.039 of a crime knows that, well, the instant I'm accused, 2:46:35.080 --> 2:46:37.880 I'm going to be sent to a fucking concentration camp, 2:46:38.240 --> 2:46:39.960 might as well start shooting, right. 2:46:40.040 --> 2:46:41.880 Yeah, It's why you don't see very many of these 2:46:41.920 --> 2:46:46.080 things happening in states where people regularly carry firearms. 2:46:46.360 --> 2:46:50.000 Yes, so again you know that's all I'm saying. No, 2:46:50.120 --> 2:46:52.640 that's not my primary concern, but I'm going to make 2:46:52.680 --> 2:46:53.199 that point. 2:46:53.400 --> 2:46:53.800 Yeah. 2:46:53.959 --> 2:46:56.880 What about the other like weirder case of the New 2:46:56.879 --> 2:46:58.680 Mexico case, the judge in New Mexico. 2:46:58.840 --> 2:47:02.199 Yes, so now back to my fellow New Mexico municipal judge. 2:47:02.360 --> 2:47:05.720 Actually I think he was in a missige yeah, county magistrate. Yeah, 2:47:05.760 --> 2:47:08.520 so he and I basically the same. So there's this 2:47:08.560 --> 2:47:11.400 guy Nancy Cano who's a former police officer, his wife 2:47:11.440 --> 2:47:14.040 was a cop. And Joel Cano, who is the Donna 2:47:14.040 --> 2:47:19.600 Anna County magistrate judge. These two are really you wouldn't 2:47:19.640 --> 2:47:22.200 have expected what happened from this group. These two are 2:47:22.240 --> 2:47:23.679 a cop and a judge. 2:47:23.360 --> 2:47:25.439 Couple radical lefty lunatics. 2:47:25.520 --> 2:47:28.959 There are wealthy landlords who own at least eight properties 2:47:29.400 --> 2:47:32.360 and they hire three men to do like you know, 2:47:32.640 --> 2:47:37.080 contracting work. And those men included a guy, Christian Ortega 2:47:37.120 --> 2:47:42.040 Lopez twenty three years old, right, who is a Venezuelan migrant. 2:47:42.200 --> 2:47:45.720 And first off, because these are cops or a cop 2:47:45.760 --> 2:47:48.959 and a judge, they like check his papers which saved, 2:47:49.240 --> 2:47:51.760 do not deport right like he is in the the 2:47:51.879 --> 2:47:55.400 system not subject. This person is not subject to removal. Right, 2:47:55.480 --> 2:47:58.160 those are on his papers. They check his papers. They 2:47:58.200 --> 2:48:00.280 work for these three guys, work for them for a 2:48:00.280 --> 2:48:04.080 while and develop a close relationship with the Canos to 2:48:04.120 --> 2:48:06.440 the point that they refer to them as the boys. 2:48:06.840 --> 2:48:09.040 And when they get kicked out of their apartment, they 2:48:09.120 --> 2:48:13.000 let them live with them, I think for free or 2:48:13.040 --> 2:48:16.600 at least for a nominal fee. And as they describe it, 2:48:16.640 --> 2:48:19.040 they came to consider them part of the family. And 2:48:19.080 --> 2:48:22.320 there's like photo evidence of that, including photo evidence of 2:48:22.360 --> 2:48:24.520 them like going to the gun range together as like 2:48:24.560 --> 2:48:27.960 a family day at the gun range and shooting, and 2:48:28.160 --> 2:48:30.960 like this guy Artago Lopez like posts pictures of these 2:48:31.000 --> 2:48:33.640 people and these like family outings on his Facebook, Like 2:48:33.680 --> 2:48:36.840 they really do seem to have all been very close. Yeah, 2:48:37.440 --> 2:48:40.880 earlier this year, Ice comes for these guys, the boys, 2:48:40.920 --> 2:48:43.360 these three dudes who are living on their property, in 2:48:43.400 --> 2:48:47.080 a small guest house on the Canos property, and they 2:48:47.160 --> 2:48:49.800 allege or Tega Ortiz to have been a member of 2:48:49.879 --> 2:48:52.879 trind Agua. And it's based on and I hate most 2:48:52.879 --> 2:48:55.120 of the reporting on this because it's all just like 2:48:55.280 --> 2:48:59.080 the alleged alleged gang member alleged trind to Agua member. 2:48:59.120 --> 2:49:01.160 And you look at it, well, well, he has tattoos, 2:49:01.160 --> 2:49:03.440 and there's pictures of him with guns, pictures him with 2:49:03.480 --> 2:49:07.160 guns that are legally owned by Americans at a gun range. 2:49:07.280 --> 2:49:10.080 Yeah, he's a twenty three year old guy coming to America. 2:49:10.280 --> 2:49:13.800 Like there's a high correlation with those people and people. 2:49:13.680 --> 2:49:16.800 Going to a gun range. Yeah, nothing illegal with that, 2:49:17.000 --> 2:49:19.400 but they're like a gang member. Photos of guns on 2:49:19.440 --> 2:49:23.600 his Facebook. Oh my god. So these guys get arrested, right, 2:49:23.720 --> 2:49:26.400 and it's initially and this is like a month or 2:49:26.400 --> 2:49:29.280 so ago. It's a big scandal. Canos resigns from his 2:49:29.320 --> 2:49:33.360 position as a magistrate, right and gets permanently barret serving 2:49:33.440 --> 2:49:36.240 as a judge in New Mexico because these guys had 2:49:36.240 --> 2:49:38.879 been on his property, even though again there's not any 2:49:38.920 --> 2:49:40.879 evidence that I have seen anywhere that he actually did 2:49:40.879 --> 2:49:43.760 anything illegal. At this point. Now, yeah, here's where things 2:49:43.760 --> 2:49:47.760 get problematic. At this point, the boys are being you know, 2:49:48.000 --> 2:49:51.360 the government is treating them as people who are here 2:49:51.360 --> 2:49:53.400 I legally, and they are trying to kick them out 2:49:53.440 --> 2:49:55.840 and they are accusing them, these three guys of being 2:49:55.840 --> 2:50:00.760 evolved in Trindagua. At this point, Nancy Kno provides them 2:50:00.760 --> 2:50:03.520 with legal assistance in complying with the procedures of their 2:50:03.520 --> 2:50:08.640 pending immigration cases, right, which shouldn't be illegal. She's literally 2:50:08.640 --> 2:50:10.160 helping them abide by the law. 2:50:10.480 --> 2:50:10.680 Right. 2:50:11.200 --> 2:50:13.400 But there's some other things, So Joel Cano, this is 2:50:13.400 --> 2:50:16.360 where this guy turns from like fucking married a cop, 2:50:16.480 --> 2:50:20.240 he's a landlord. He smashes or take a Lopez's phone. 2:50:20.520 --> 2:50:22.560 He admits, he's admitted that he's done this. This is 2:50:22.600 --> 2:50:25.959 not an allegation with a hammer to stop Ice from 2:50:26.000 --> 2:50:33.439 getting it. So, first off, based illegal, super illegal, super illegal, 2:50:34.040 --> 2:50:40.960 but not a like a good person act, I would argue. Secondly, 2:50:41.720 --> 2:50:44.000 Nancy tries to help, and this is I think a 2:50:44.040 --> 2:50:47.080 grayer area. Tries to help Ortago Lopez delete his Facebook account, 2:50:47.120 --> 2:50:49.200 and I don't actually think there's any evidence of him 2:50:49.280 --> 2:50:51.080 doing anything illegal on there. I think it's just they 2:50:51.160 --> 2:50:54.200 knew the photos he'd posted of him not breaking any 2:50:54.280 --> 2:50:56.560 laws would be used as an argument that he had 2:50:57.080 --> 2:51:00.240 I think that that's defensible in court, although they will 2:51:00.280 --> 2:51:02.240 allege that it's destruction of the evidence, they may win 2:51:02.280 --> 2:51:05.640 on that breaking the phone is. You know, that's going 2:51:05.720 --> 2:51:07.320 to be a tough one for them. That's just going 2:51:07.360 --> 2:51:09.360 to be a tough one for them. Now the knos 2:51:09.400 --> 2:51:12.320 are currently being charged and they have been released. They 2:51:12.320 --> 2:51:15.760 can't leave the county. There was the prosecutors were attempting 2:51:15.800 --> 2:51:18.560 to have them separated so that they couldn't talk about 2:51:18.560 --> 2:51:20.480 the case. But thank god the judge ruling was like, 2:51:20.760 --> 2:51:24.520 they're married, they have a constitutional right to be together. 2:51:25.040 --> 2:51:28.039 You don't get to do that. But obviously they have 2:51:28.080 --> 2:51:30.120 to like hand in their passports any guns they'd had, 2:51:30.160 --> 2:51:32.720 which they seem to have already done. The good news 2:51:32.760 --> 2:51:35.080 is that these are rich people, right, Like the judge 2:51:35.120 --> 2:51:36.880 even makes a comment that, like, these are the wealthiest 2:51:36.879 --> 2:51:39.440 people I've ever had in my courtroom, So they have 2:51:39.560 --> 2:51:44.840 the resources to fight this. And again fucking politics making 2:51:44.879 --> 2:51:46.040 strange bedfellows. 2:51:46.680 --> 2:51:46.920 Yep. 2:51:47.000 --> 2:51:50.160 Yeah, critical support to the landlord, judge, cop couple who 2:51:50.240 --> 2:51:55.959 tried to protect these EMM grits. I don't know, like whatever, 2:51:56.080 --> 2:51:58.279 they did the right thing, you know, in my opinion, 2:51:58.320 --> 2:52:02.959 again not the legal thing, and I'm not urging you 2:52:03.040 --> 2:52:04.920 to follow them and breaking the law, making very clear 2:52:04.959 --> 2:52:07.480 it is illegal to break the phone of somebody that 2:52:07.560 --> 2:52:09.560 you know the police are looking for because they've been 2:52:09.600 --> 2:52:12.200 charged with crimes. That is a crime. I'm just saying 2:52:12.200 --> 2:52:15.320 I think what they did was out of love and brave. Anyway, 2:52:15.640 --> 2:52:16.760 That's what I gotta say. 2:52:17.800 --> 2:52:33.400 Speaking of love, I love these ads. All Right, we 2:52:33.480 --> 2:52:36.720 are back. I am now going to discuss a I 2:52:36.720 --> 2:52:40.000 believe the word is a flurry of executive orders that 2:52:40.440 --> 2:52:44.880 half in the past week, because there was a ton 2:52:45.320 --> 2:52:48.920 This was a huge week for actions through through through 2:52:48.920 --> 2:52:52.080 executive order. We've tried to summarize a few of these 2:52:52.120 --> 2:52:53.959 that have like or a few orders that have come 2:52:53.959 --> 2:52:56.520 in the past few months, but but yeah, definitely the 2:52:56.560 --> 2:52:58.560 ones that happened last week are much more notable, and 2:52:58.600 --> 2:53:01.080 I will go through them one by one. Starting off 2:53:01.120 --> 2:53:04.800 with an attempt to possibly repeal large sections of the 2:53:04.840 --> 2:53:08.800 Civil Rights Act, Trump side in order to quote eliminate 2:53:08.920 --> 2:53:13.080 the use of disparate impact liability in all contexts to 2:53:13.160 --> 2:53:17.840 the maximum degree possible. Disparate impact is a legal theory 2:53:17.879 --> 2:53:20.800 that seeks to address discriminatory policies that, on their face 2:53:20.879 --> 2:53:25.959 may appear neutral but actually continue decades old discrimination and segregation. 2:53:26.840 --> 2:53:29.920 This order from Trump provokes presidential approval for Title six 2:53:29.959 --> 2:53:33.520 antidiscrimination regulations from the sixties and seventies, and orders all 2:53:33.560 --> 2:53:37.520 agencies to quote deprioritize enforcement of all statutes and regulations 2:53:37.560 --> 2:53:41.920 to the extent that they include disparate impact liability. The 2:53:42.040 --> 2:53:45.000 order calls for the Attorney General to quote initiate appropriate 2:53:45.040 --> 2:53:48.440 action to repeal or amend the implementing regulations for Title 2:53:48.480 --> 2:53:52.240 six the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Cabinet 2:53:52.280 --> 2:53:56.440 members were also instructed to review all pending investigations, civil suits, 2:53:56.800 --> 2:54:01.160 consent judgments, permanent injunctions, and government positions rely on spared 2:54:01.200 --> 2:54:04.920 impact theory. That includes Titles seven and eight of the 2:54:04.959 --> 2:54:09.359 Civil Rights Act, which protects equal employment and fair housing. 2:54:10.400 --> 2:54:12.120 This is kind of part of a larger attack on 2:54:12.320 --> 2:54:15.440 civil rights in general, like obviously the past few months, 2:54:15.480 --> 2:54:18.560 who've seen this with like DEI stuff. But last week 2:54:18.640 --> 2:54:23.039 the DOJ essentially closed its existing civil Rights office, resigned 2:54:23.120 --> 2:54:27.320 a dozen senior career attorneys, curbed investigations into police misconduct 2:54:27.360 --> 2:54:31.320 and violations of voting and disability rights. Plus, the Education 2:54:31.400 --> 2:54:35.279 at Discrimination Division is now being directed to protect women's sports, 2:54:35.840 --> 2:54:39.160 and the Immigrant and Employee Rights Division was told to 2:54:39.200 --> 2:54:43.760 investigate companies that quote unlawfully discriminate against US workers in 2:54:43.840 --> 2:54:48.160 favor of foreign visa workers unquote. So that's how they 2:54:48.200 --> 2:54:50.440 think they're going to be defending civil rights is by 2:54:50.920 --> 2:54:54.480 keeping trans girls out of sports and going after foreign 2:54:54.560 --> 2:54:57.640 visa workers. Basically, they're trying to turn federal civil rights 2:54:57.680 --> 2:55:00.720 infrastructure against those whom they were meant to to protect 2:55:00.800 --> 2:55:04.120 in the first place. The next order kind of outlies 2:55:04.120 --> 2:55:08.080 something I'm calling cop Nation. It's called quote strengthening and 2:55:08.160 --> 2:55:13.200 unleashing America's law enforcement to pursue criminals and protect innocent civilians. 2:55:13.840 --> 2:55:17.560 This is kind of like a proto martial law order. 2:55:17.640 --> 2:55:21.120 It's what you would do beforehand to strengthen police, but 2:55:21.200 --> 2:55:24.640 not actually like declare martial law. It's setting kind of 2:55:24.720 --> 2:55:27.600 the path towards that, or at the very least like 2:55:27.640 --> 2:55:30.320 strengthening law enforcement to the degree to which it like 2:55:30.400 --> 2:55:32.360 butts up against what martial law would be. 2:55:33.040 --> 2:55:33.800 The order calls to. 2:55:33.840 --> 2:55:38.199 Quote unleash high impact local police forces, protect and defend 2:55:38.280 --> 2:55:41.760 law enforcement officers wrongly accused and abused by state or 2:55:41.760 --> 2:55:46.600 local officials, and surge resources to officers in need unquote. 2:55:47.200 --> 2:55:49.480 It directs the Attorney General to create a mechanism to 2:55:49.560 --> 2:55:53.039 have private sector law firms provide pro bono legal defense 2:55:53.040 --> 2:55:57.280 to police officers who quote unjustly incur expenses and liabilities 2:55:57.280 --> 2:56:00.600 for actions taken during the performance of their official duties 2:56:00.600 --> 2:56:03.879 to enforce the law. So this tries to make it 2:56:03.920 --> 2:56:06.119 harder for police to be held accountable for a civil 2:56:06.200 --> 2:56:12.560 and criminal misconduct, basically extending qualified immunity to the criminal realm. 2:56:13.440 --> 2:56:17.440 According to Business Insider, quote, following previous executive orders targeting 2:56:17.440 --> 2:56:19.960 a number of elite firms, nine law firms have agreed 2:56:20.120 --> 2:56:22.960 to deals with the President and collectively agreed to provide 2:56:23.240 --> 2:56:26.680 nine hundred and forty million in pro bono legal services 2:56:26.680 --> 2:56:31.640 to support the President's policies. This order also calls to 2:56:32.160 --> 2:56:35.840 use federal resources to increase pay, expand training, and strengthen 2:56:35.879 --> 2:56:39.039 legal protections for police officers, as well as to quote 2:56:39.360 --> 2:56:43.120 seek enhanced sentences for crimes against law enforcement officers, promote 2:56:43.120 --> 2:56:46.360 investment in the security capacity of prisons, and increase the 2:56:46.440 --> 2:56:50.480 investment in and collection, distribution and uniformity of crime data 2:56:50.520 --> 2:56:55.039 across jurisdictions. The Attorney General is directed to review and 2:56:55.160 --> 2:56:58.680 remove any previous accountability restrictions placed on to local or 2:56:58.720 --> 2:57:02.520 state law enforcement agencies that might unduly impede the performance 2:57:02.600 --> 2:57:07.280 of law enforcement functions. And then, finally, quote, Attorney General 2:57:07.320 --> 2:57:09.880 and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary 2:57:09.920 --> 2:57:12.760 of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate, 2:57:12.959 --> 2:57:16.440 shall increase the provision of excess military and national security 2:57:16.480 --> 2:57:19.960 assets in local jurisdictions to assist state and local law enforcement. 2:57:20.240 --> 2:57:24.080 And shall determine how military and national security assets, training, 2:57:24.440 --> 2:57:27.920 non lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized 2:57:27.920 --> 2:57:32.280 to prevent crime unquote, so moving more national security resources 2:57:32.360 --> 2:57:35.480 over to state and local law enforcement, and directs the 2:57:35.600 --> 2:57:38.880 ag to go after state and local officials that struckt 2:57:38.959 --> 2:57:42.279 criminal law by quote, prohibiting law enforcement officers from carrying 2:57:42.280 --> 2:57:46.360 out duties necessary for public safety or unlawfully engage in 2:57:46.520 --> 2:57:50.400 discrimination or civil rights violations under the guise of DEI 2:57:51.760 --> 2:57:54.600 do you want to discuss anything with this you know, 2:57:55.000 --> 2:57:58.560 anti ACAB executive order here and what it might actually 2:57:58.560 --> 2:58:01.000 like do in reality besides you know, expanding like legal 2:58:01.040 --> 2:58:01.920 protections for cops. 2:58:02.520 --> 2:58:04.080 I mean, I think the worrying one to me is 2:58:04.080 --> 2:58:07.920 that they're very explicitly talking about using military national security 2:58:07.920 --> 2:58:11.800 assets like in the US against Americans, and the thing 2:58:11.840 --> 2:58:13.520 right now we are doing is like to prevent crime. 2:58:13.520 --> 2:58:15.280 But like I think, very obviously everyone is look at 2:58:15.280 --> 2:58:17.360 this is immediately gone. Like part of this obviously is 2:58:17.400 --> 2:58:20.879 about like trying to defeat any attempt to even moderately 2:58:20.879 --> 2:58:22.560 reform the police, but a lot of it is also like, yeah, 2:58:22.560 --> 2:58:25.520 they're expecting giant they're expecting giant protests this summer. Yeah, 2:58:25.560 --> 2:58:27.720 and they want to be able to use military assets here. 2:58:27.720 --> 2:58:30.560 And what they're doing with this, the Secretary of Defense 2:58:31.240 --> 2:58:35.160 is developing a plan to use military assets like presumably 2:58:35.200 --> 2:58:38.120 against protesters either that or you know what I mean, 2:58:38.120 --> 2:58:40.080 Like cercific thing here is like used to prevent crime, 2:58:40.080 --> 2:58:42.520 which is just like the deployment of the US military 2:58:42.600 --> 2:58:47.000 against like US Right, that's I think a pretty cut 2:58:47.000 --> 2:58:49.800 in dry. They are developing the apparatus through which they 2:58:49.800 --> 2:58:52.640 are going to attempt to deploy the army against the 2:58:52.959 --> 2:58:54.080 US citizens in the US. 2:58:54.440 --> 2:58:57.600 Well, and it's also specifically like empowers like individual police 2:58:57.640 --> 2:59:01.800 officers against any like received restrictions that like local or 2:59:01.840 --> 2:59:04.160 state officials might be putting on them. Yeah, And I 2:59:04.160 --> 2:59:06.560 think that's what makes it more super worrying for me. 2:59:06.600 --> 2:59:09.080 It's like it's like enabling like the police state aspect 2:59:09.160 --> 2:59:11.920 of like of the of the executive branch saying, hey, 2:59:11.959 --> 2:59:15.199 like individual cops, we support you more so than whatever 2:59:15.240 --> 2:59:18.240 like local jurisdiction you are like under. And if if 2:59:18.240 --> 2:59:20.960 the local jurisdictions start to like restrict your ability to 2:59:21.080 --> 2:59:24.440 like to to to do violence, restrict your ability to 2:59:24.480 --> 2:59:26.560 do your job, we are going to help you to 2:59:26.640 --> 2:59:29.119 make sure that you have the legal and like physical 2:59:29.400 --> 2:59:32.480 capacity to continue your job as you see fit. 2:59:32.600 --> 2:59:34.720 We will throw the high dollar lawyers that we have 2:59:34.840 --> 2:59:40.440 threatened into working for us at these states and municipalities. 2:59:40.640 --> 2:59:43.120 Yeah, both to like defend your individual actions and then 2:59:43.120 --> 2:59:46.080 also go after the people in charge of you, like 2:59:45.720 --> 2:59:46.760 like like both of them. 2:59:47.320 --> 2:59:47.560 Yeah. 2:59:48.000 --> 2:59:52.039 Yeah, So it's more like CPD black site shit, like yeah, 2:59:52.160 --> 2:59:56.000 Nazi gang shit, like you know them just like shooting people. Yeah, 2:59:56.040 --> 2:59:56.959 Like that's the kind of shit. 2:59:57.240 --> 3:00:00.240 The torture the data sharing, I think is something people 3:00:00.280 --> 3:00:03.560 should be aware of. The Like that seem to be 3:00:03.840 --> 3:00:05.879 what I would imagine we'll be funding for more federal 3:00:05.920 --> 3:00:08.680 fusion centers and then equipping them with like home land 3:00:08.720 --> 3:00:13.040 security assets, intelligence assets that are already used outside the US. 3:00:13.240 --> 3:00:16.720 Like that is concerning especially in a climate of like 3:00:17.240 --> 3:00:21.800 migration crackdown, right, Like this data sharing will help them 3:00:21.800 --> 3:00:23.360 further target migrants well. 3:00:23.600 --> 3:00:27.160 And this relates to another executive order for protecting American 3:00:27.160 --> 3:00:31.720 communities from criminal aliens. Basically, it targets sanctuary cities. The 3:00:31.760 --> 3:00:34.640 Attorney General and the DHS Secretary will publish a list 3:00:34.680 --> 3:00:38.359 of sanctuary jurisdictions that obstruct the enforcement of federal immigration 3:00:38.480 --> 3:00:42.000 law and federal funds. Those districts will be suspended or terminated, 3:00:42.360 --> 3:00:45.600 and if those districts remain sanctuary districts after officials have 3:00:45.640 --> 3:00:49.520 been notified of their status, then necessary legal remedies and 3:00:49.640 --> 3:00:54.080 enforcement measures shall be pursued to quote end these violations. 3:00:54.840 --> 3:00:58.080 Section one of this order lists several federal criminal laws 3:00:58.160 --> 3:01:01.000 that they say are being violated by these sanctuary districts, 3:01:01.080 --> 3:01:04.600 including quote obstruction of justice on lawfully harboring or hiring 3:01:04.640 --> 3:01:08.080 illegal aliens, conspiracy against the United States, and conspiracy to 3:01:08.200 --> 3:01:12.760 impede federal law enforcement. Assisting aliens in violating federal immigration 3:01:12.840 --> 3:01:16.920 law could also violate the Racketeer, Influenced and Corrupt Organizations 3:01:16.959 --> 3:01:20.200 Act unquote, So they're even rapid and rico here for 3:01:20.480 --> 3:01:23.359 state and local officials who are trying to protect immigrants 3:01:23.400 --> 3:01:26.240 in their communities. There's a few other executive orders I 3:01:26.280 --> 3:01:29.600 want to mention, including one that requires professional truck drivers 3:01:29.680 --> 3:01:33.680 speak English. I think this is actually just to mask 3:01:33.760 --> 3:01:36.480 the consequences of like the tariffs, with the. 3:01:36.400 --> 3:01:39.119 Fact that a lot of truck drivers are losing their jobs. 3:01:39.240 --> 3:01:41.560 Yes, yeah, so this is to like hide those layoffs 3:01:41.600 --> 3:01:43.040 or trying to force people to get laid off if 3:01:43.040 --> 3:01:45.000 they don't speak good enough English, or to like to 3:01:45.040 --> 3:01:48.640 create pretext to have these layoffs be justified as we see, 3:01:48.680 --> 3:01:51.279 you know, the shipping industry slowly collapse because of the tariffs. 3:01:51.640 --> 3:01:54.240 Another order that's just more frustrating, I guess to me 3:01:54.440 --> 3:01:57.320 and like worrying long term about the future is quote 3:01:57.520 --> 3:02:02.440 advancing Artificial Intelligence Education for American youth. And I'm actually 3:02:02.440 --> 3:02:05.640 going to play a video here of Trump's signing this order. 3:02:07.240 --> 3:02:11.720 This next executive order relates to artificial intelligence educations. There, 3:02:12.080 --> 3:02:16.279 you've obviously done a lot in the artificial intelligence space already. 3:02:17.040 --> 3:02:19.640 The basic idea of this executive order is to ensure 3:02:19.720 --> 3:02:23.440 that we properly train the workforce of the future by 3:02:23.560 --> 3:02:27.840 ensuring that school children, young Americans are adequately trained in 3:02:27.879 --> 3:02:29.600 AI tools so that they can be. 3:02:29.600 --> 3:02:32.160 Competitive in the economy. 3:02:31.920 --> 3:02:34.520 Years from now into the future as AI becomes a 3:02:34.560 --> 3:02:35.520 bigger and bigger deal. 3:02:35.680 --> 3:02:38.840 That's a big deal. US AI is where it seems 3:02:38.879 --> 3:02:43.000 to be at. We have literally trillions of dollars being 3:02:43.040 --> 3:02:47.920 invested in AI, and there are some money today. Very 3:02:48.000 --> 3:02:51.400 smart person said that AI is the way to the future. 3:02:51.440 --> 3:02:53.240 I don't know if that's right or not, but certainly 3:02:53.720 --> 3:02:55.879 very smart people are investing in it heavily. 3:02:58.680 --> 3:03:00.880 This clip is super interesting to be he said, demonstrates 3:03:00.959 --> 3:03:03.200 just how little Trump knows what's really going on. Like 3:03:03.240 --> 3:03:04.960 this is the first time he's seen this order. He 3:03:05.000 --> 3:03:06.400 has to get explained to what it is before he 3:03:06.440 --> 3:03:08.720 signs his name on it. They're just handing him these 3:03:08.800 --> 3:03:12.400 things and he's just signing papers. He is not like 3:03:12.480 --> 3:03:15.520 dictating which things he actually wants to happen. He just 3:03:15.520 --> 3:03:17.720 gets handed stuff and there's cameras on. He's like, hey, 3:03:17.720 --> 3:03:20.880 this is to help AI with kids, and you're so 3:03:20.879 --> 3:03:23.080 smart about AI, mister President. He's like, yes, I am. 3:03:23.160 --> 3:03:25.800 As he signs his name. The actual text disorder is 3:03:25.959 --> 3:03:29.840 really freaky. Quote. By fostering AI competency, we will equip 3:03:29.920 --> 3:03:32.720 our students with the foundational knowledge and skills necessary to 3:03:32.760 --> 3:03:36.480 adapt and thrive in an increasing digital society. Early learning 3:03:36.480 --> 3:03:39.240 and exposure to AI concepts not only demestifies this powerful 3:03:39.280 --> 3:03:42.600 technology but also sparks curiosity and creativity, preparing students to 3:03:42.600 --> 3:03:45.680 become active and responsible participants in the workforce of the future. 3:03:45.879 --> 3:03:48.080 To achieve this vision, we must also invest in our 3:03:48.200 --> 3:03:50.720 educators and equip them with the tools and knowledge to 3:03:50.760 --> 3:03:53.760 not only train students about AI, but also to utilize 3:03:53.760 --> 3:03:59.240 AI in their classrooms to improve educational outcomes. Unquote James, 3:03:59.240 --> 3:04:00.960 how do you feel about that at a as a 3:04:00.959 --> 3:04:03.000 as an educator yourself. 3:04:03.680 --> 3:04:07.840 Probably fifty percent of my time in the classroom right 3:04:07.879 --> 3:04:10.160 now is trying to explain to people where they shouldn't 3:04:10.160 --> 3:04:15.200 copy paste the assignment into chat GPD And like every 3:04:15.360 --> 3:04:17.959 year for the past three or four years, we have 3:04:18.040 --> 3:04:21.480 dealt with like bots, like students in my class who 3:04:21.480 --> 3:04:24.480 are not real people. I've dealt with more and more 3:04:24.520 --> 3:04:29.039 and more use of AI. It's from people who I think, 3:04:29.640 --> 3:04:31.560 like the folks who are coming through my classroom now, 3:04:31.600 --> 3:04:33.959 like many of their like high school years when they 3:04:33.959 --> 3:04:38.400 should have been getting good solid like writing tuition work 3:04:38.520 --> 3:04:41.800 during COVID lockdowns, right and so like. I'm not entirely 3:04:41.840 --> 3:04:44.320 blaming like the folks coming through my class here, but 3:04:44.760 --> 3:04:47.560 it is it's a fuck situation. That's only getting worse. 3:04:47.640 --> 3:04:48.200 It's fucked. 3:04:48.320 --> 3:04:52.160 It's the like I've been educating people for nearly two 3:04:52.240 --> 3:04:56.520 decades and like I've never come across anything this bad. 3:04:57.240 --> 3:05:01.400 It is fundamentally damaging people's engagement with education and their 3:05:01.440 --> 3:05:02.400 ability to learn. 3:05:02.520 --> 3:05:05.640 It's giving them permanent brain damage. It is life altering 3:05:05.680 --> 3:05:08.200 their ability to think and in a way that may 3:05:08.240 --> 3:05:11.360 never be recoverable for a lot of people. Yeah, I 3:05:11.360 --> 3:05:15.040 don't want to be a boomer. There's data on this. 3:05:15.160 --> 3:05:18.200 The AI companies have. Microsoft has data on this. It 3:05:18.280 --> 3:05:20.760 damages people. It needs to. 3:05:20.680 --> 3:05:25.280 Be finding good solutions for that. Writing assignments AI can't 3:05:25.400 --> 3:05:28.119 write like it's not that hard. But before people come 3:05:28.120 --> 3:05:30.080 into my mentions right saying like, oh you can use 3:05:30.120 --> 3:05:32.040 this to detect AI. I can detect it because the 3:05:32.080 --> 3:05:36.039 assignments it submits a shit. The problem is that people 3:05:36.160 --> 3:05:40.240 keep using it, like because it's Roberts said that, they're 3:05:40.560 --> 3:05:42.199 running out of other options, right. 3:05:42.360 --> 3:05:44.240 And they're like really committing to this. The end of 3:05:44.240 --> 3:05:47.280 the order directs the Secretary of Education to provide grant 3:05:47.320 --> 3:05:51.560 funding to quote improve educational outcomes using AI, including but 3:05:51.600 --> 3:05:55.840 not limited to AI based high quality instructional resources, high 3:05:55.879 --> 3:06:00.960 impact tutoring and college and career pathway exploration advises and navigation. 3:06:02.600 --> 3:06:05.920 Yeah, I mean sadly like these federal and to extend 3:06:05.959 --> 3:06:09.280 state level too, Like dictats, I guess do impact what 3:06:09.320 --> 3:06:12.040 you're supposed to put on your syllabus, right, Like, especially 3:06:12.320 --> 3:06:16.720 for like high school students, these can genuinely impact what 3:06:17.520 --> 3:06:20.640 high school teachers are supposed to teach. It changes a 3:06:20.680 --> 3:06:23.160 little bit like once you get to the university level. 3:06:23.840 --> 3:06:26.039 And I guess we'll we'll see how this goes. But 3:06:26.120 --> 3:06:29.040 like this, this genuinely could have a very damaging impact 3:06:29.080 --> 3:06:31.440 on and it already has had a damaging impact on 3:06:31.440 --> 3:06:32.640 the US education system. 3:06:33.080 --> 3:06:36.240 Yeah, I have one more thing I want to read here. 3:06:36.280 --> 3:06:40.680 This is actually a presidential memorandum, not an executive order, 3:06:40.720 --> 3:06:44.360 but this cause to investigate Democrat and grassroots funding platform 3:06:44.480 --> 3:06:48.240 Act Blue, a legend quote schemes to launder excessive and 3:06:48.280 --> 3:06:52.280 prohibited contributions to political candidates and committees quote. Actlue has 3:06:52.320 --> 3:06:54.879 been the target of conspiracy theories for years, starting with 3:06:54.920 --> 3:06:58.080 James o'keef and Elon Musk has recently targeted Act Blue 3:06:58.120 --> 3:07:02.480 with with bizarre theories on how Act Blue functions and 3:07:02.560 --> 3:07:05.680 is used to funnel money to like Antifa, and and 3:07:06.360 --> 3:07:09.120 you know, George Soros money get getting moved over to 3:07:09.280 --> 3:07:13.760 all of these you know, Tesla Vandal's crazy stuff. But specifically, 3:07:14.080 --> 3:07:16.879 Trump is calling the Attorney General and Treasury Secretary to 3:07:16.959 --> 3:07:20.840 quote investigate allegations regarding the unlawful use of online fundraising 3:07:20.840 --> 3:07:24.720 platforms to make straw or dummy contributions or foreign contributions 3:07:24.720 --> 3:07:27.480 to political candidates and committees, and to take appropriate action 3:07:27.560 --> 3:07:30.800 to enforce the law unquote. I think this whole thing 3:07:30.959 --> 3:07:33.840 beyond trying to you know, harm the Democrats' ability to 3:07:33.879 --> 3:07:35.879 like win elections in the future as a form of 3:07:36.000 --> 3:07:39.279 collection meddling is also just like a spig smoke screen 3:07:39.320 --> 3:07:43.080 away from a CNN investigation last year into deceptive practices 3:07:43.160 --> 3:07:46.720 used by political fundraising platforms Win Red and Act Blue, 3:07:46.879 --> 3:07:49.480 which found that the Republican platform had more than seven 3:07:49.600 --> 3:07:52.840 times the fraud complaints sent to the FCC than Act 3:07:52.879 --> 3:07:54.720 Blue during the period of twenty twenty two to twenty 3:07:54.720 --> 3:07:58.640 twenty four, with the fundraising platform targeting aging seniors who 3:07:58.640 --> 3:08:02.000 thought they were personal friends of the Trump family with 3:08:02.160 --> 3:08:04.960 propaganda and emails that trick them into signing up for 3:08:05.000 --> 3:08:09.040 recurring donations. And what they thought was a personal correspondence 3:08:09.080 --> 3:08:12.879 to President Trump. It's a really worrying investigation. It'll be 3:08:12.920 --> 3:08:15.680 linked below. And like, you know, meanwhile, you have Elon 3:08:15.760 --> 3:08:18.480 Musk literally offering people millions of dollars to like get 3:08:18.480 --> 3:08:21.200 people to sign up to vote and sign petitions. And 3:08:21.200 --> 3:08:24.240 and yet they're gonna try to try to investigate, you know, 3:08:24.360 --> 3:08:27.760 fraud in Democrat and grassroots fundraising, which I'm sure there 3:08:27.840 --> 3:08:30.880 is a little bit of, but according to this investigation 3:08:30.920 --> 3:08:34.160 by CNN, so much more fraud on the on the 3:08:34.560 --> 3:08:37.760 on the Republican fundraising platform. You know, there is actually 3:08:37.760 --> 3:08:41.200 one Democrat who we can verifiably claim did a bunch 3:08:41.240 --> 3:08:43.840 of weird fundraising ship and did straw donations from foreign donors. 3:08:43.840 --> 3:08:46.840 And it is Eric Adams, who is Trump's favorite Democrat. 3:08:52.440 --> 3:08:58.120 Trump is personally keeping out of prison. Oh gotastic. Anyway, 3:08:58.200 --> 3:09:00.240 that is the that's the flurry. We're gonna go one 3:09:00.240 --> 3:09:02.080 more break and then come back to close out on 3:09:02.120 --> 3:09:03.920 some immigration and tariff updates. 3:09:04.280 --> 3:09:18.480 Hell yeah, we're back. 3:09:18.520 --> 3:09:21.960 And wait, what's that? Do you hear? The dulcet tones 3:09:22.000 --> 3:09:22.640 of an angel? 3:09:23.040 --> 3:09:32.320 Sorry locking jazz rocky jazz Bart Sorry lock. 3:09:34.520 --> 3:09:37.680 Locking jazz rocking jazz. 3:09:37.600 --> 3:09:41.080 Bo We're gonna get to the rest of the class catalog. 3:09:41.160 --> 3:09:44.280 We got four years. Yes, yes, I'm really looking for 3:09:45.280 --> 3:09:47.840 secrating the temp. We're working on a cover of Lost 3:09:47.879 --> 3:09:50.519 in the supermarket where there's just nothing in the supermarket 3:09:50.600 --> 3:09:55.320 because of the terriffs. It's actually very easy to find 3:09:55.360 --> 3:09:57.640 my way around in the supermarket now because there's nothing 3:09:57.680 --> 3:09:58.200 on sone. 3:10:01.080 --> 3:10:05.640 So, all right, what's actually happening with with the Turff tariffs. 3:10:05.840 --> 3:10:09.800 I'm gonna I'm just gonna start by reading Trump's incredible 3:10:09.920 --> 3:10:13.760 cope about why everything's going to shit. This is Trump, 3:10:13.920 --> 3:10:17.040 This is a truth from true social This is Biden's 3:10:17.040 --> 3:10:20.240 stock market, not Trumps. They didn't take over until January twentieth. 3:10:20.600 --> 3:10:22.960 Terrorifts will start kicking in. We soon start kicking in, 3:10:23.040 --> 3:10:25.000 and companies are starting to move to the US and 3:10:25.080 --> 3:10:28.000 record numbers. Our country will boom, but we have to 3:10:28.040 --> 3:10:30.640 get rid of the Biden quote overhang. This will take 3:10:30.680 --> 3:10:33.400 a while, has nothing to do with the tariffs all caps, 3:10:33.560 --> 3:10:35.959 only that he left us with bad numbers. But when 3:10:36.000 --> 3:10:38.320 the boom begins, it will be like no other. 3:10:38.520 --> 3:10:39.160 Be patient. 3:10:39.600 --> 3:10:41.480 This is Biden's stock market. 3:10:41.920 --> 3:10:42.120 Yeah. 3:10:43.000 --> 3:10:45.600 So the reason he's saying this is that So today 3:10:45.680 --> 3:10:48.959 we got a report that the US for the first 3:10:49.040 --> 3:10:52.840 quarter suffered the first like actual economic contraction of the 3:10:52.920 --> 3:10:57.440 economy since like twenty twenty two, and that basically there 3:10:57.640 --> 3:10:59.800 was like one quarter in twenty twenty two. We're contracted, 3:10:59.840 --> 3:11:03.480 and and it like basically since like the lockdowns, it's 3:11:03.520 --> 3:11:07.920 been expanding. We are probably already in the recession. And 3:11:08.000 --> 3:11:09.760 the other thing there's think that's very important to note here, 3:11:09.879 --> 3:11:11.560 right is you're seeing a lot of reporting about this 3:11:11.720 --> 3:11:13.480 being a contraction, and a lot of the reporting we'll 3:11:13.480 --> 3:11:16.560 talk about how like, yeah, this is because people are 3:11:16.640 --> 3:11:18.560 like rushing to do their all their imports right now 3:11:18.600 --> 3:11:21.840 before the tariff's hit. The thing is, right, this economic 3:11:21.879 --> 3:11:26.000 contraction is like before the actual substantive impact of the 3:11:26.040 --> 3:11:30.680 tariff's hit. So this is just the beginning of like 3:11:30.840 --> 3:11:33.199 the rolling economic collapse, and all of these turf tariffs 3:11:33.240 --> 3:11:36.960 are going to generate. There's been a little bit of 3:11:37.120 --> 3:11:40.040 movement in the sense that like, Okay, so when I 3:11:40.160 --> 3:11:44.400 last talked about sort of the declines in like shipping 3:11:45.320 --> 3:11:48.440 from China or just shipping in general, it was mostly 3:11:48.600 --> 3:11:51.080 like sort of I don't know what you'd call them, 3:11:52.080 --> 3:11:54.800 chipping industry, trade press this has hit like the mainstream 3:11:54.879 --> 3:11:57.920 press now that you know, and some of these indicators 3:11:57.920 --> 3:12:01.760 are doing sixty percent import drops from China, and it 3:12:01.959 --> 3:12:05.560 looks like China is maybe kind of starting the preliminary 3:12:05.720 --> 3:12:09.600 things to figure out how to figure out negotiations, and 3:12:09.680 --> 3:12:11.640 that they've been the Chinese government has been going behind 3:12:11.640 --> 3:12:15.200 the scenes and talking to a bunch of like high 3:12:15.240 --> 3:12:18.360 profile American companies and has been like quietly repealing some 3:12:18.520 --> 3:12:21.080 of their one hundred and twenty five percent retaliatory tariffs 3:12:21.080 --> 3:12:24.440 in the US on like very specific goods. We'll see 3:12:24.440 --> 3:12:26.200 what happens there. There hasn't been more movement than that. 3:12:26.760 --> 3:12:29.200 What is also very interesting is that so okay, so 3:12:29.320 --> 3:12:32.080 like obviously like a bunch of prices are just increasing 3:12:32.120 --> 3:12:35.880 already in places like like Temu and like Sian And 3:12:36.040 --> 3:12:39.320 Amazon was going to have like a counter that showed 3:12:39.360 --> 3:12:42.160 how much additional money you were spending because of the tariffs, 3:12:42.879 --> 3:12:44.360 and they announced they were going to do this, and 3:12:44.400 --> 3:12:46.520 then President Trump like got on the phone with Jeff 3:12:46.560 --> 3:12:48.560 Bezos and yelled at him, and then Jeff Bezos said 3:12:48.560 --> 3:12:51.039 he wasn't gonna do it. But this is also an 3:12:51.080 --> 3:12:54.080 interesting thing because we're actually starting to see cracks between 3:12:54.920 --> 3:12:59.160 Trump and like people like bezis, like the tech people 3:13:00.080 --> 3:13:03.240 can really have been his like closest basis support right 3:13:03.360 --> 3:13:05.640 for this whole the entire project in terms of like 3:13:06.520 --> 3:13:08.640 sect like large scale sectors of capital, it's been these 3:13:08.680 --> 3:13:11.680 people who've been backing him. And I think as as 3:13:11.720 --> 3:13:13.840 the stuff continues, we're going to continue to see rifts 3:13:13.959 --> 3:13:17.320 between them and the Trump administration over shit like this, 3:13:17.560 --> 3:13:21.400 because you know, like people get really really is something 3:13:21.400 --> 3:13:23.800 we've talked about a lot in episodes we've done on 3:13:24.040 --> 3:13:26.240 pricing and inflation, is that people get really pissed off 3:13:26.280 --> 3:13:28.600 and prices go up, and that's a way to like, 3:13:28.800 --> 3:13:30.280 you know, this is a problem for these companies because 3:13:30.280 --> 3:13:31.840 this is the way you lose sort of brand loyalty, 3:13:31.920 --> 3:13:35.480 and that's like how everything goes to shit. And Trump 3:13:35.600 --> 3:13:37.440 has to is doing all these deflections to be like 3:13:37.480 --> 3:13:39.480 it's not actually the terrorifts that are doing this because 3:13:39.920 --> 3:13:42.840 people are gonna be really pissed about this and yeah, 3:13:42.879 --> 3:13:45.800 I don't know, welcome, Welcome to quarter one of the recession. 3:13:45.959 --> 3:13:47.720 This is going to be the best quarter of the 3:13:47.760 --> 3:13:49.120 economy for a long time. 3:13:49.320 --> 3:13:56.720 Yeah, tariff talk, Okay, so it's cuds out with immigration update. 3:13:57.200 --> 3:13:58.920 I'm just gonna run a few speed run a few 3:13:58.920 --> 3:14:00.240 of these, and we'll get a bill deep in some 3:14:00.360 --> 3:14:02.520 of them. The New York Times is reporting that once again, 3:14:02.560 --> 3:14:06.680 the Trump administration is separating, has separated a child from 3:14:07.600 --> 3:14:08.280 their parents. 3:14:08.640 --> 3:14:10.000 Jesus fucking Christ YEP. 3:14:10.200 --> 3:14:13.400 A federal court denied the government's motion to dismiss a 3:14:13.520 --> 3:14:16.840 First Amendment challenge to its policy of deporting pro Palestine 3:14:16.920 --> 3:14:21.360 anti genocide activists. So that allows the case to go ahead, right, 3:14:21.440 --> 3:14:24.560 So it allows a First Amendment challenge to be mounted, 3:14:24.959 --> 3:14:27.120 which is a good thing, right, given that this is 3:14:27.760 --> 3:14:30.000 like their policy right now, is a frontal assault on 3:14:30.080 --> 3:14:33.400 the First Amendment for people who are not citizens. In 3:14:33.680 --> 3:14:37.240 the Brego Garcia case, both sides agreed to a seven 3:14:37.360 --> 3:14:40.640 day pause in the discovery process after the passing of 3:14:40.760 --> 3:14:44.560 sealed motions. Then on Tuesday, Tuesday this week, the DOJ 3:14:44.720 --> 3:14:49.880 filed another sealed motion. We can speculate, and you will 3:14:50.040 --> 3:14:53.360 see people speculating if you go into the blue skuy 3:14:53.480 --> 3:14:56.560 or Twitter or whatever. I don't think it's beneficial to 3:14:56.680 --> 3:14:59.360 do that in this case. Right, what we should be 3:14:59.440 --> 3:15:02.680 focusing is that a man is in a prison camp 3:15:02.800 --> 3:15:06.320 who did nothing wrong. It doesn't matter that justice system 3:15:06.440 --> 3:15:09.240 is continuing to fail him, because he is still there 3:15:09.640 --> 3:15:14.120 and so are hundreds of other people. The experimental quote 3:15:14.240 --> 3:15:16.920 National Defense area in New Mexico. So we spoke last 3:15:16.920 --> 3:15:20.120 week about the Roosevelt Reservation, right, and they are starting 3:15:20.200 --> 3:15:23.080 this militarization of the Roosevelt Reservation with an area in 3:15:23.160 --> 3:15:26.200 New Mexico. And we've seen the first charges that are 3:15:26.240 --> 3:15:29.880 filed against migrants. According to Washington Post, at least twenty 3:15:30.000 --> 3:15:33.960 eight people have been charged or added to their charges 3:15:34.040 --> 3:15:37.720 a penalty for violation of security regulations in addition to 3:15:37.800 --> 3:15:39.359 the mad charges entry without inspection. 3:15:39.560 --> 3:15:39.680 Right. 3:15:40.520 --> 3:15:43.760 Hegxeth visited the area this week and he talked about 3:15:43.800 --> 3:15:45.640 how they were going to post signage in English and 3:15:45.760 --> 3:15:49.480 Spanish to indicating that crossing the area would be trespassing 3:15:49.520 --> 3:15:54.280 on US military property. Increasing numbers of migrants over the 3:15:54.400 --> 3:15:57.160 last few years have not spoken either of those languages. 3:15:57.520 --> 3:15:59.800 It doesn't seem to be something they've accounted for here. 3:16:00.640 --> 3:16:04.960 The US Attorney for New Mexico allegedly, according to the 3:16:05.000 --> 3:16:07.760 Post quote can't wait to begin charging people who cross. 3:16:08.400 --> 3:16:11.160 So that's great, and so it does seem that they 3:16:11.200 --> 3:16:13.880 are using this. As we talked about a week or 3:16:13.920 --> 3:16:17.480 so ago as a way to quickly charge and then 3:16:17.560 --> 3:16:20.640 deport people who are entering the United States between ports 3:16:20.640 --> 3:16:21.240 of entry. 3:16:21.600 --> 3:16:22.840 And other court news. 3:16:22.959 --> 3:16:26.960 A judging Colorado places attentative restraining order on the use 3:16:27.040 --> 3:16:29.960 of the Alien Enemies Act there without twenty one days 3:16:29.959 --> 3:16:33.760 of notice in a language of person understands advising them 3:16:33.800 --> 3:16:36.760 of their right to bring a Habeast challenge. So that 3:16:36.920 --> 3:16:38.960 means if someone is going to be removed under the 3:16:39.040 --> 3:16:41.720 AEA right, they have to get three weeks of notice, 3:16:41.800 --> 3:16:43.920 and that notice has to advise them that they have 3:16:44.080 --> 3:16:47.400 the right to bring a challenge and then as opposed 3:16:47.400 --> 3:16:49.280 to what they're doing right now, which is deporting people 3:16:49.400 --> 3:16:52.680 extremely quickly. Right And this was upheld by the Tenth Circuit, 3:16:52.760 --> 3:16:55.280 so that's in place there. It'll be interesting to see 3:16:55.280 --> 3:16:57.240 how many of them are able to bring. Still, bringing 3:16:57.240 --> 3:16:59.640 a habeas challenge is complicated. It could be expensive and 3:16:59.680 --> 3:17:01.680 require a lot of legal time, and I know most 3:17:01.760 --> 3:17:03.840 lawyers who work in immigration are overwhelmed. 3:17:03.959 --> 3:17:04.320 Currently. 3:17:04.680 --> 3:17:08.199 Yes, in California, a judge has ruled that CBP can't 3:17:08.240 --> 3:17:11.800 carry out warrantless stops and arrests after the ACLU filed 3:17:11.840 --> 3:17:15.480 a suit in response to the CBP sector's operation returned 3:17:15.560 --> 3:17:19.120 to sender, which happened in late twenty twenty four. So people, 3:17:19.560 --> 3:17:20.880 this is one of the things that people may have 3:17:20.920 --> 3:17:23.520 already forgotten about. But in December of twenty twenty four, 3:17:23.720 --> 3:17:29.360 CBP started detaining residents, migrants, laborers outside a home depot, 3:17:30.080 --> 3:17:33.959 a grocery store, and at road checkpoints up in California 3:17:34.080 --> 3:17:37.720 Central Valley. Right, people are thinking, oh, the Central Valley 3:17:37.760 --> 3:17:39.320 is a very long way from El Centro, what are 3:17:39.320 --> 3:17:42.240 they doing up there. I've included a map of border 3:17:42.280 --> 3:17:45.720 Patrol sectors in the sources today so people can see. 3:17:45.800 --> 3:17:48.120 But although the l Center sector only spans seventy one 3:17:48.200 --> 3:17:51.640 miles of linear border, it goes a lot further north. 3:17:52.400 --> 3:17:55.959 So that's what they were doing out there. The judge 3:17:56.000 --> 3:18:00.640 in this case, who is US District Court Judge Jennifer Thurston, quote, 3:18:01.240 --> 3:18:03.400 you just can't walk up to people with brown skin 3:18:03.520 --> 3:18:05.880 and say give me your papers. There's a very good 3:18:05.920 --> 3:18:09.879 reporting on this in cow Matters, which I have also 3:18:10.000 --> 3:18:15.000 linked in the sources today. Notably, I looked through the 3:18:15.240 --> 3:18:17.360 order today, the core order, and one of the things 3:18:17.440 --> 3:18:20.680 we get is kind of a vision into how border 3:18:20.760 --> 3:18:24.120 patrol is expediting these deportations. Right, So I'm going to 3:18:24.240 --> 3:18:27.640 quote from the order here, quote, once Border Patrol agents 3:18:27.680 --> 3:18:30.600 transported the people they're rested to the El Centro station, 3:18:31.320 --> 3:18:35.280 they would quote extract voluntary departure agreements from as many 3:18:35.320 --> 3:18:37.760 people as possible without explaining the consequences. 3:18:37.840 --> 3:18:40.280 And this is all that. 3:18:40.360 --> 3:18:42.640 This is the Plaincliff's contention, which is aclu. 3:18:42.840 --> 3:18:42.960 Right. 3:18:43.600 --> 3:18:46.080 So we've seen this a lot, right, like we saw 3:18:46.120 --> 3:18:48.440 it in the case when they detained a citizen in 3:18:48.520 --> 3:18:50.720 Tucson not so long ago. That they're trying to get 3:18:50.760 --> 3:18:54.440 people to sign these documents. Sometimes you're not actually, in 3:18:54.600 --> 3:18:57.240 most cases, I believe you're not actually signing a physical document. 3:18:57.320 --> 3:19:02.320 You're signing one of those little pad screens, and you 3:19:02.440 --> 3:19:04.680 might be given an iPad to read the document on, 3:19:04.800 --> 3:19:07.080 but you don't get a chance to look and flick 3:19:07.160 --> 3:19:09.480 through the document and then sign it left, sign a 3:19:09.520 --> 3:19:10.920 physical copy of the document. 3:19:11.080 --> 3:19:11.200 Right. 3:19:11.920 --> 3:19:16.040 The injunction that happened here only applies in the Eastern 3:19:16.080 --> 3:19:19.320 District of California. The judge also ordered Border Patrol to 3:19:19.440 --> 3:19:22.560 record all arrests and stops and report them within forty days. 3:19:23.000 --> 3:19:25.800 The government argued this would be too burdensome, which is 3:19:25.840 --> 3:19:28.680 odd because they're already required to do paperwork when they're 3:19:28.920 --> 3:19:32.280 arrest or stop someone, right, but that was a rule 3:19:32.320 --> 3:19:35.039 by the judge. Despite this, so the old Central Sector 3:19:35.080 --> 3:19:37.880 has still been carrying out operations way north of land border, 3:19:37.959 --> 3:19:41.280 including recently outside a home depot in Pomona. So this 3:19:41.360 --> 3:19:44.200 is CBP not ICE, right for people are familiar with 3:19:44.280 --> 3:19:47.080 that distinction. But at least in the Eastern district, they 3:19:47.160 --> 3:19:51.360 can't be stopping people now without warrants, So that's a 3:19:52.000 --> 3:19:55.280 good thing from the courts. I guess those are I know, 3:19:55.320 --> 3:19:57.800 we've got a long episode today. Those are the most 3:19:57.879 --> 3:20:00.480 important immigration things that I've come up with this. I'm 3:20:00.520 --> 3:20:03.160 sure something will happen between us recording this coming out, 3:20:03.440 --> 3:20:05.160 but yeah, that's what I've got for you. 3:20:06.240 --> 3:20:09.480 The last thing that we'll mention is that Mosen Motowi, 3:20:09.959 --> 3:20:12.320 the US screen card holder who was arrested by ICE 3:20:12.360 --> 3:20:16.680 at his citizenship interview, has been released from ICE custody 3:20:16.840 --> 3:20:20.600 as of April thirtieth, by order of a Vermont judge. 3:20:21.600 --> 3:20:24.400 This is really the first piece of good news we've 3:20:24.520 --> 3:20:28.720 had in relation to Trump's crackdown on Palestinian protesters and 3:20:29.000 --> 3:20:33.960 student protests. So yeah, Motowi's case will still continue, but 3:20:34.160 --> 3:20:36.800 you will not be in ice custody for the duration 3:20:37.160 --> 3:20:38.080 of this case. 3:20:38.480 --> 3:20:40.680 And I think we saw in the Mapood Khalil case 3:20:40.720 --> 3:20:43.800 the judge has ordered that New Jersey is a correct 3:20:43.879 --> 3:20:46.880 jurisdiction for that case to proceed. So that offers a 3:20:46.959 --> 3:20:50.280 possibility of the same that it's essentially the same charge 3:20:50.320 --> 3:20:52.240 that both of them have right or the same reasoning 3:20:52.400 --> 3:20:56.240 for trying to remove them, So hopefully we will see 3:20:56.320 --> 3:20:57.440 a similar result there. 3:20:57.800 --> 3:21:00.480 We'll be following up on both these stories as the progress. 3:21:01.040 --> 3:21:03.360 But that does it for us today. Here at It 3:21:03.440 --> 3:21:06.280 Could Happen Here, We reported the news. 3:21:06.720 --> 3:21:14.920 We reported the news. 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