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Speaker 1: Also media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to let you know this is a compilation episode. So

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Speaker 1: every episode of the week that just happened is here

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Speaker 1: in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for

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Speaker 1: you to listen to in a long stretch if you want.

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Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 1: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to it. Could that be here? A podcast where

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Speaker 2: the ancient leftist adage there is power logistics has finally

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Speaker 2: been realized by one Donald Trump. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Mia Wong, and with me is Gere. How are you doing.

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Speaker 3: Gear Just another great day in America.

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Speaker 2: It's great, it's great. There were resting judges. It's a

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Speaker 2: good time.

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Speaker 1: It's great.

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Speaker 3: Something that Mia has probably called for before, but under

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Speaker 3: different circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, have I ever publicly called for the arrest

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Speaker 2: of the judge?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I have.

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Speaker 3: Maybe probably not, because like a resting power itself is

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Speaker 3: a little bit problem hashtag problematic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this is this is a

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Speaker 2: car sural solution to this is garrison, Like we kind

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Speaker 2: of using carcialism to solve the problems of the cultural system. Sure,

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Speaker 2: speaking of carceral systems, there is the economy that we're

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Speaker 2: all living under, which is also quite literally a cucural system,

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Speaker 2: because so much of it is based on prisident and

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Speaker 2: slave labor of various kinds across the world. Now I

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Speaker 2: have good news and I have bad news about this.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what the good news was, so we're

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Speaker 2: only getting the bad news, which is that, well, the

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Speaker 2: system that we all grew up on. That the economic

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Speaker 2: system that has, you know, supported us our entire lives,

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Speaker 2: or not supported us for our entire lives. The thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, the system that encompasses everything we have ever known,

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Speaker 2: is fucking dead. It is dead as shit. The economic

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Speaker 2: the process of dying. And the thing that is emerging

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Speaker 2: has not emerged yet, which means we get to go

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Speaker 2: to Gramsy quote where he says, this is the time

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Speaker 3: The Chinese century. My favorite whatever Gramsky, how do we

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Speaker 3: say this guy's name? Gromski, Gramm gram sheet, see you

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Speaker 3: fucked up too. Yeah, my favorite gram Sheet quote. We're

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Speaker 3: entering the Chinese century.

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Speaker 2: Look, okay, So here's the thing I I, on a

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Speaker 2: fundamental level think that Gramsy is like the harbinger of

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Speaker 2: hate him and therefar if you say his name properly. Also,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get into a little bit about white. The

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Speaker 3: But you know, the Canadian century, I don't know. Finally,

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Speaker 3: the Yugoslavian century with God Emperor Mark Carney in charge,

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Speaker 3: he will usher in a new era of Canadian progress

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Speaker 3: and global supremacy. As climate change worsens, the Canadian economy

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Speaker 3: the US in the late twentieth century. And finally, we

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited for us to finally get our first

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Speaker 2: So there is a story that we have told on

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Speaker 2: the show many many, many, many, many many times, and

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Speaker 2: it is the story of the structure of the modern

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Speaker 2: It is a story of how structural forces and contingent choices,

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Speaker 2: technological changes in class wears, domestic politics, and grand international

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Speaker 3: Because you'll probably do this again in two years. But okay, the.

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Speaker 3: This is how it died.

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Speaker 2: like you have seen this.

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Speaker 3: Necessary hardship will have to endure for a short period

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Speaker 2: But Reagan does this thing called the Volker shock, right,

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Speaker 2: If you are Bolivia, you need to get American dollars

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Speaker 2: like we probably wouldn't be here right now.

439
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Speaker 3: Yeah, zero falls is definitely like the Tea Party does

440
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 3: have a sizeable chunk of the blame here.

441
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like that's the thing, like this, this is

442
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: your all of your fucking fault. Lock them up quick,

443
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: zero to ten, zero to ten, Get him out, Get

444
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 2: him out, gethim out.

445
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 3: Now.

446
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: Do you know what else we need to get out?

447
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: Gett a stock?

448
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 3: Oh it's these fucks and services. Yeah, get them out

449
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 3: of stock.

450
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: Get them out of stock while you still can.

451
00:21:53,040 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: Well, we still have an economy.

452
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: We are back now again, as I was saying, like

453
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: this attempt to make the American economy function in a

454
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: way that it has trade surpluses with every other country.

455
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 2: And also, and this is also important, these people don't

456
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: think that like services are real and a lot of

457
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: what the US exports as services. But because they're all

458
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: these really weird like me, because they're all fascists, right,

459
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: they all have this all of this weird ideological shit

460
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: about masculinity and about the favoring of the concrete over

461
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: the abstract, because the concrete is like masculated. It is

462
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: like it is the nation, right like this, like steel

463
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: workers and people who fucking hammer coal out like this.

464
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: This is what masculinity is. This is what nationalism is.

465
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: This is what men are supposed to do.

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have the materialists on the evil side, and

467
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: you have the post materialists on well.

468
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Speaker 2: No, okay, so this is a long time ago. I

469
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: did a bunch of episodes called The Class and the

470
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: Culture War, and one of the points that I make

471
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Speaker 2: in that episode is that one of the arguments that

472
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Speaker 2: the Canadian Jewish Marxist historian Moish Pistone makes about what

473
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: the Holocaust was was this attempt to pit the concrete

474
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Speaker 2: part of capital against the abstract part of capital. Right

475
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: where the concrete part of capital is like the nation

476
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: and the worker and the factory and like the boss,

477
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Speaker 2: right and all of these like concrete things were pitted

478
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Speaker 2: against the like the quote unquote abstract part of capital,

479
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: which is to say, like quote unquote like Jewish financiers

480
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Speaker 2: and all of the sort of like weird collection of

481
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: like modifiers that gets associated with like you know, the

482
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: rootless positive politanism, like the globalism, like all of this shit, right,

483
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: And what the Nazis did was embody all of that

484
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: stuff into just the figure of the Jewish person and

485
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: his arguments. And this is arguing about like sort of

486
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Speaker 2: structural anti semitism and what the Holocaust was was that

487
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: the like that was what the Nazi revolution was. That's

488
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: what the liquidation of like and this is how episode describes,

489
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: like liquidation of Jesus is what this is what the hall,

490
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: this is what the genocide was, which their attempt to

491
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: destroy the like abstract part of part of this thing

492
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: by pitting it against the concrete part of this thing.

493
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Speaker 2: And this is what these fucking people are also are

494
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: also doing in their own way, right, Like.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just doing it with like the price of

496
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Speaker 3: eggs or like the availability of housing.

497
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Speaker 2: Right, and you know, and it's also knowing like these

498
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: people are like unhe and anti Semitic, right, because this

499
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: is all part of the same ideology. They just sort

500
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: of like they're doing the shit in different ways and

501
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: they haven't like yeah, I don't know, like if these

502
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: people are in power for like a decade, we might

503
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: just get this right where they're literally doing the Holocaust again,

504
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: but like we're not at that point yet, but we're

505
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 2: at the point is where like this this kind of

506
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: like under like this kind of fascist understanding of the

507
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: nation and masculinity and like the concrete versus the abstract,

508
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: and like these figures can be like embodied in anti

509
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Speaker 2: these things. And this is also what like what the

510
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: like this is what the administration is doing with immigrants, right,

511
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: is like passing them in that role of like the abstract,

512
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: like the foreigner, they the national, the like the anti

513
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Speaker 2: the anti national.

514
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Speaker 3: Those things are are is causing our economic problems, our

515
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: housing problems. And then you have other instances like with

516
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 3: like Mexico and Canada where they tie in the trade

517
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: war with this like ventanyl thing, being like you know,

518
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 3: like immigrants are bringing fentanyl over the border and we're

519
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: using tariffs as a negotiating tactic to stop ventinyls. Like

520
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: they're they're bringing in even more like aspects regarding like

521
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: immigration and tying it directly to like our trade wars

522
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: with these with these you know, massive massive countries some

523
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Speaker 3: of our most important trading partners.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is causing an interesting split because Trump's

525
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: like political coalition right has a bunch of kind of

526
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: different kinds of fascists in a lot of ways. We're

527
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: like Trump and Navarro and like, i mean, Trump is

528
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: instinctually pro tariff and like he can be talked out

529
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: of it because again this guy's brain, like we saw

530
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Speaker 2: this last administration, Like the last person in the room

531
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: with him can convince them, but basically anything. But you know,

532
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: those people are structurally committed to like thisacivic version of masculinity.

533
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of portions of the right that

534
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: are and that are committed to like this trade policy

535
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: is like the America first American nationalist thing. But like

536
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: someone like Elon Musk isn't that committed to this. And

537
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: like even a lot of the people who are like

538
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: the inner circle sort of like Jarvin like tech fascist

539
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 2: right are like okay, but hold on, like we make

540
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: all of our shit in China, so like you know,

541
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Speaker 2: and this is why, like Elon is coming against the

542
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: terrorists because like, yeah, they're gonna fuck him, like because

543
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: he has to import stuff and export stuff from China

544
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: because that's where a bunch of his production facilities are, right,

545
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: and you know, and if once you get out of

546
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: the circle of of like that kind of like tech

547
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: fascist right, and the tech people are the people who

548
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: are the most closely aligned with this administration, right, like

549
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: an internships of like all the sexus of the capital,

550
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: tech is the most closely aligned one. But you know,

551
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: you can get out into like places like fucking Walgreens

552
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: and Walmart, right, and these are also like like the

553
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Waltons as a family are like traditional backers of the

554
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: right for ages and ages and ages right, there've been

555
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: backers of far right causes. They also don't want this

556
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: because also their entire supply chains work you fucking China

557
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: and work through moving a bunch of like commodities around,

558
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: and the further route you go when you when you

559
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: start getting into like actual finance capital. These people are

560
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: fucking terrified because they're looking at this and like, holy shit,

561
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: we're about to lose all over goddebt money. And the

562
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: consequence of this is that all of this stuff is

563
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: shaping out in a sort of political battle in the

564
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: administration over who can get Trump in the room last

565
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: to try to figure out how how the economy is

566
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: going to work. But the problem is, and I have

567
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: been vindicated in this In the very brief amount of

568
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: time between when the episode of Friday came out and

569
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Speaker 2: when we're recording this, there are no negotiations with China,

570
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: Like they haven't started. There's no process for starting them.

571
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: Trump does keep lying about starting negotiations, and yeah, he's

572
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 3: just lying about this, right, Chinese government says, no, we

573
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: have not started negotiations.

574
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: It's like, no, there's no negotiations. Yeah, and there and

575
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: and again, like structurally there can't be negotiations because there's

576
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: no actual way for the US to like not have

577
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: a trade deficit with China, Like there's no way you

578
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: can do that. And that's the thing that will satisfy

579
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: these people. So all of this means that the economy

580
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: is fucking dead, right. This is the sort of like

581
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: free trade economy we've all grown up in that functions

582
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: off of like you know, like fucking drop shipping and

583
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: all this cheap production of a bunch of other countries

584
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: and you know, like assemblies of a bunch of different

585
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: like goods in different places, and the US is like

586
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: the economic center of the world is just fucking gone. Now.

587
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: One of the reasons I.

588
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: Started writing this episode in the first place is that

589
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: I have read so much fucking analyzes of these goddamn

590
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: turf tariffs, and do you know how many of them,

591
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: for a single fucking second considered what this was going

592
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: to be like for anyone who doesn't live in the

593
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: United States.

594
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: What the fuck is wrong with people?

595
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Why does nobody fucking care about a single goddamn person

596
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: who lives outside the United States. I have read so

597
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: many fucking analyzes of this fucking shit. I have read

598
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: these things from I have read these things from the

599
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: business papers. I have read these things from fascists. I

600
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: have read these things from the center left. I have

601
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: read these things from leftists. Do you know how many

602
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 2: of these things have said anything about actual fucking people

603
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: who do not live in the goddamn United States. Fucking

604
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: none of them. Every once in a while you'll get like,

605
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: this will be bad for the economy of China, and

606
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: this is this is a catastrophe because the people who

607
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: are going to be most affected by this when when

608
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 2: the fucking turf terrorists some liberation they come back into

609
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: effect over the summer are the working classes Sri Lanka.

610
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Speaker 3: This is going to be the.

611
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Speaker 2: Fucking apocalypse for a bunch of people who have been

612
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: going through hell for years and years and years and years.

613
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: It's going to be places like fucking Bolivia, who which

614
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: is already facing a dollar crisis and is struggling to

615
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: import fuel.

616
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: It is going to be places like Bangladesh. It is

617
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: going to be places.

618
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Speaker 2: Like Vietnam, which is, you know, structurally in a better

619
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: position than a lot of the rest of these countries,

620
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: but like fucking won't be in a structurally better like

621
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: balance for a structurally better position when it has like

622
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: ninety percent goddamn tariffs on it. And yes, the US

623
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: is going to be real fucking bad, right. Everything is

624
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: going to cost a lot more money. All of us

625
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: are going to have a lotless jobs. The people who

626
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: are in jobs are going to make a lot less money.

627
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 2: There is going to be a lot of people fucking homeless.

628
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: There is going to be a lot of people who

629
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: can't get fucking food. It is going to be a catastrophe.

630
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: And also at the same time, the US is going

631
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: to look like fucking fully automated, luxury gase based communism

632
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 2: compared to fucking Shri Lanka. This kind of sort of

633
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 2: wrote American nationalism that has consumed the brains of basically

634
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: this entire goddamn country on a level so deep Americans

635
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: don't even fucking think about it, Like, is the reason

636
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: why we fucking have all of this bullshit in the

637
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: first place. And this is why, like in like four

638
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: fucking months, literally no one in the entire country social

639
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: security is actually going to show up because nineteen year

640
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: ol grow up doesn't understand sequel, because nobody in this

641
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: fucking country gives a single shit about anyone who lives

642
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: outside of the country enough to try to do a

643
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: single goddamn word of analysis about how this is going

644
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: to affect everyone. Because the death of the global economy

645
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: will be felt here, it is going to be felt

646
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: so much fucking worse everywhere else on goddamn Earth. And

647
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: I am, like, I am losing my fucking mind at

648
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: the extent to which everyone is just fucking refusing to

649
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: engage with this completely. This is gonna be being unbelievably

650
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: fucking angry because, like I don't know, a bunch of

651
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: my family doesn't live in this country, which means I

652
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: have to deal with the fact that, like everyone else

653
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: who lives in another country is a human being who's

654
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: exactly the same as fucking we are, and this is

655
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: the thing that nobody else appears to want to fuck

656
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: deal with. I am losing my shit. Please God, stop

657
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: talking about the tariffs as if they only affect the

658
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: United States and aren't mostly going to be born by

659
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: everyone else. I didn't write a transition for this, but

660
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: you know, I will transition out of this by again

661
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: going back to the fact that all of the reason

662
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: this is going to be so bad is that the

663
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: global economy is based on, you know, a combination of

664
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: resource extraction and a combination of logistical supply lines that

665
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: all rely on there not being one hundred percent tariffs

666
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: on goods and importers to the US. And when this

667
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: shit goes through, and when the rest of the tariffs

668
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: go through and make it you know, the thing that's

669
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: happening right now is an attempt to avoid this stuff

670
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: is everyone you know, and this is something like Nintendo

671
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: has been talking about right where they were, like, okay,

672
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: our plan to avoid the tariffs on China is to

673
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: move a bunch of our production into Vietnam. And that

674
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: was happening anyways before the tariffs because of sort of

675
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: rising labor costs in China, and you know, a whole

676
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: bunch of sort of factors like that, but none of

677
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: that shit, none of that stuff that's like to sort

678
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: of like keep the current global economy on a lifeline,

679
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: is going is going to be able to function once

680
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: the tariffs on basically of the country on Earth go

681
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: into effect. And there's a second problem here, which is that, Okay,

682
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 2: so what is the new economy going to look like?

683
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: These people, like the people running like the administration, right,

684
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: like people like Navarro and people like Trump, and a

685
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: lot of the sort of like, right, who is driving

686
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: the policy thing here think that that the production that's

687
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: happening everywhere else in the world will just be replaced

688
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: by the US. And there was a trap that people

689
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: fall into with Chinese economics. And I do this too

690
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: sometimes because it's, you know, it's a fast and easy

691
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: way to think about the Chinese economy, and it's not accurates. Well,

692
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: it's not like, isn't capital the whole picture of what's

693
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: going on. But the way that people think about the

694
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: Chinese economy tends to be that the reason that things

695
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: are made in China is because labor is cheap there,

696
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: because either the culmination of exploitation and poverty, and that's

697
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: true to an extent, right, But the actual sort of

698
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: genius from capitalist perpective of capitalis returned to China was that,

699
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: you know, from a capitalist perspective, the Chinese workforce, and

700
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 2: this continues to be true thirty or forty years into

701
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: the transition, is highly educated and highly skilled. And the

702
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: education was paid for not by capitalism, right, it was

703
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: paid for by the sort of socialist system like this,

704
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: This combination of things of a highly educated and an

705
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: increasingly highly skilled as they've been, you know, working these jobs,

706
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: means that there is an extremely high skilled migrant labor

707
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: population that knows how to do a bunch of shit

708
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: like circuit board assembly and like stuff with like chip assembly, right,

709
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: that is vital to making electronics. And the US does

710
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 2: not have a couple of one hundred thousand migrant workers

711
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: that you can just have and like exploit and not

712
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: pay healthcare costs to to know how all of the

713
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: chip manufacturing shit works. Right, There are people in the

714
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: US who know how to do some of these kinds

715
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: of things. But we're talking, you know, even though the

716
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: US does have a manufacturing economy and it is very

717
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: high tech, it is not on the scale of these things, right.

718
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: And the second, the second big reason why things are

719
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: producing in China, and this is the reason why production

720
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: didn't just shift all shift out of China after twenty

721
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: eleven when there were huge protests there and huge riots

722
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: there over sort of labor conditions, is that there was

723
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: an unbelievable amount of like capital outlet, like this physical

724
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: factory infrastructure that is in China that you can't easily

725
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: just move out to another country. And this is this

726
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: is the basic things like the power grid functions right,

727
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: and you can't really easily replicate that, and you can't

728
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: just have this thing that there's all these people want

729
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: to do where like the US will just suddenly, you know,

730
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: have all of these factories, right and well suddenly like

731
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: all these things will just like come back and miraculously

732
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: like there will be all of these jobs because like

733
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: who the fuck is going like we don't we literally

734
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: we don't have the technology for this. We'll not technlogy.

735
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: It was like, who is going to build all of

736
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: the factories? Right, Like the factories don't exist here, the

737
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: like the inter technical systems for them don't exist here.

738
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: You don't want to switch to costing fifty thousand dollars

739
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: available in ten years pre order now Sorry, no available

740
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: in twenty years. I forgot about the environmental impact surveys.

741
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, iPhone, iPhone twenty years.

742
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

743
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: But like you know, and like and like a lot

744
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: of this is because like you know, you're hearing a

745
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: lot of reports now with like small business owners. We're

746
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: talking about like, yeah, it's so much easier to work

747
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 2: with Chinese manufacturers, is like impossible to work with American manufacturers,

748
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: And part of that is just exploitation, right, Like, yeah,

749
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that like there there were

750
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: like labor conditions that are very common in China that

751
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: do happen in the US, but are much easier to

752
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: do there. But also, like I don't know, like China

753
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: has like an entire network of like the ability to

754
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: basically do this sort of like pop up light and

755
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: media manufacturing that can like retool itself really quickly, and

756
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: the US doesn't fucking have that, right, Like, we do

757
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: have a bunch of manufacturing in the US, right, Like

758
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: that is the thing that we have, but it was

759
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: largely pushed into like the suburbs to get rid of

760
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: sort of like the masses of workers that are rose

761
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: and cities like Detroit to like atomize them, right, And

762
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: this is actually like also happening in China right now, weirdly,

763
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Like China has been pivoting to a service economy for

764
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: a long time, but think this thing as those service economies,

765
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: A lot of that shit is like also like drop

766
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: shipping production, right but like, you know, there's no actual

767
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: way for you know, befure like capital atl like costs

768
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: and things like that. There's no actual way to replicate

769
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: the conditions in China that make it like an effective

770
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: like source of global production in the US or even

771
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: in like a country like India, Like there's just not

772
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: the infrastructure there to do it, and there's not the

773
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: sort of like migrant labor population. It's not the sort

774
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: of things that you need. And what this means right now,

775
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: right is that like there is not a future lined

776
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: up to replace the one that we're in right now.

777
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: We literally don't know what this is going to do

778
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: because no one has ever bothered planning this shit out.

779
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: Because this is just like taking a sledgehammer to fucking everything,

780
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: like they are trying to extract the copper wires from

781
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: the house and in order to do this, they like,

782
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, A, because they think they think that's how

783
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: the economy works, is they attract the copper wires, and

784
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: b their plan to extract the copper wires is to

785
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: blow the house up with dynamite. And now, no one's

786
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: ever done in environmental impact statements on what if you

787
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: blow the house up with dynamite?

788
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: Because why the fuck would you do that? Right, Sometimes

789
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: the police do that.

790
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true, but I guess, I guess they

791
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: is the world's police force. But go, you know, like,

792
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: no one has planned for this. But the second thing

793
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: is there isn't another model of capital waiting in the

794
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: wings in the way that there was when the sort

795
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: of Reaganites did this the economy, because the Reaganites had

796
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: an entire ideological apprightus, they had a like a functional

797
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: way for the economy to work and be worse and

798
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: be more exploitive. But there's nothing behind this, right, there's

799
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: just a vision that literally cannot work. And so the

800
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: place that I want to end as we head into

801
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: the end of the economy, and as you know, I

802
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: like I've been trying to grapple with what is it

803
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: going to look like after this is that we just

804
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: don't know. Things in the supply chain are going to

805
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: break that we have never thought about before, Like medical

806
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: systems are going to start breaking down, Right, The supply

807
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: chains for like like really really basic goods that we

808
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: don't even think about the production process of is going

809
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: to start breaking down because it relies on being able

810
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: to cheaply import one very very specific kind of like

811
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, like ball bearing that's made in one

812
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: factory and suddenly cost like four hundred times as much

813
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: as it did before, And we don't know what that's

814
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 2: going to do. And this is on the one hand,

815
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: absolutely horrifying, right, like this is going to mean an

816
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: unbelievable amount of suffering for people across the world. But

817
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: on the other hand, there is no plan, right, They

818
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: don't have a fucking strategy, And that means that the

819
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: future of the global economy is up in the air,

820
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: and it's up to us to make it a fucking

821
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: better one. Right, It's we either drive these people from

822
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: power and we and we destroy the basis of their

823
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: power on such a fundamental level they can never return

824
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: to power, right, Like, we just we just fucking kneecap them.

825
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: We physically seize all of the fucking assets and all

826
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: of the things, of the productive capacity that they have

827
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: that has been allowing you to do this. We make

828
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: sure they can never get it again, and we make

829
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: sure that we fucking control it. And we either do

830
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: that or we all get crushed for a generation and

831
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: we enter a period of just unmitigated global suffering the

832
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: likes of which only a few people in the most

833
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: hideously wardone parts of the world have experienced today.

834
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I for one am very excited to see the

835
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: the anarchist liberal reglobalization Alliance finally fighting in the streets

836
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: of Seattle to regain globalization full circle.

837
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: You know, I will point out the reason they all

838
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: called it alter globalization and not anti globalization was that

839
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: like one of the one of the original line of

840
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: them did say anti globalization of them did, right, but like,

841
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: like like a lot of their argument was like the

842
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: West Coast teams, certainly this is true, but like like

843
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: it's also it's also true that like like what like

844
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: one of the arguments they were making was that like

845
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: neoliberal globalization meant that people couldn't move to places, but

846
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: capital could and The thing that they want was a

847
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: world where people can move between things and like, fuck capital, what.

848
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: The fuck like eat shit?

849
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: Right, And that's a world that we can build, right,

850
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: We can build a world where fucking nobody gets arrested

851
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: by the immigration gestapo, where like there isn't a fucking

852
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: line on the ground that dictates whether people can disappear

853
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: you to a concentration camp.

854
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: And that is also globalization.

855
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Right.

856
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: We just have to fucking do it and ar co

857
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: Clintonism one day we can look at a beautiful world.

858
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: Look, if Bill Crystal can admit the radicals were right,

859
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: all of these other motherfuckers could come around.

860
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: We've been right all but we've been right the whole

861
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: fucking time. Fuck you assholes.

862
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: All of you broke this world and it is now

863
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: our job to put it back together. And you fuckers

864
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: are going to back us or we are all going

865
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 2: to be killed by fascism. And those are the terms.

866
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: Deal with it. It's a strange world. Do we live in.

867
00:41:53,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 8: Boo, Hello and welcome to it could happen here. I'm

868
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 8: here to ask you if you can imagine a world

869
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 8: where national borders don't define our identities. This internationalist idea

870
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 8: has historically been known as cosmopolitanism, and it has some

871
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 8: deep roots, including interestingly some connection to anarchism, and of

872
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 8: course that's what we're seeking to explore here today. I'm

873
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Speaker 8: joined once again by the one and only.

874
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Speaker 9: It's James James Stout. Thanks for having me, Andrew, I'm

875
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 9: excited about this one.

876
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to have

877
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 8: this conversation. Are you familiar with cosmopolitanism.

878
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, and like, look if there gets the more broad

879
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 9: sphere of like anarchist internationalism, something I'm very interested in, right, Like,

880
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 9: we had an interview on the show maybe two weeks ago,

881
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 9: for a few weeks ago, and people hear this with

882
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 9: people explicitly calling themselves internationalists fighting in Mianmar. Of course,

883
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 9: I've spent time in re Java and with internationalists there, So,

884
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 9: like internationalism is something I'm really interested in for sure.

885
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 8: For sure, I think it's a very compelling and inspiring idea,

886
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 8: especially in a world that lacks many of those ideas.

887
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 8: At its core, cosmopolitanism is just the belief that all

888
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 8: human beings belong to the same shared moral and political

889
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 8: community that transcends national, cultural, and political boundaries. In the book, Cosmopoulitanism, ethics,

890
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 8: and the Wilders Strangers. Philosopher Kwame Anthony Appia describes cosson

891
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 8: Politanism as quote two strands that intertwine in the notion

892
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 8: of Cossopolitanism. One is the idea that we have obligations

893
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 8: to others, obligations that stretch beyond those to whom we

894
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 8: are related, with the ties of kith and kin, or

895
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 8: even the more formal ties of shared citizenship. The other

896
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 8: is that we take seriously the value not just of

897
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 8: human life, but of particular human lives, which means taking

898
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 8: an interest in the practices and believes that land them significance.

899
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 8: People are different, the Cossopolitan knows, and there is much

900
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 8: to learn from our differences, because there are so many

901
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 8: human possibilities with exploring. We neither expect nor desire that

902
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 8: every person or every society should converge on a single

903
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 8: mode of life. Whatever obligations are to others or theirs

904
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 8: to us, they often have the rights to go their

905
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 8: own way. So basically, we have obligations to others beyond

906
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 8: just our immediate infiliations, and that human diversity is something

907
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 8: to be valued, not just tolerated. So it's not the

908
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 8: idea of assimilating all of humanity into one singular culture

909
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 8: or society or government. Is the idea of recognizing and

910
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 8: embracing the diversity of humans, but recognizing our shared affinity

911
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 8: all the same. A couple different versions of cosmopolitanism. There's

912
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 8: some moral cosmopolitanism, or the idea that all humans have

913
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 8: equal moral worth. There's political cosmopolitanism, the idea that global

914
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 8: governance or international institutions should supersede national borders. And then

915
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 8: there's cultural costopolitanism, which is the blending in exchange of

916
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 8: cultures through migration, trade, and shared histories. But costopolitanism fully

917
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 8: embraced has I would say an inherent tens with power,

918
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 8: especially nationalism, the states, and capitalism. And while it's true

919
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 8: that liberal cosmopolitanism relies on global institutions like the United

920
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 8: Nations and reinforces hierarchies, anarchist cosmopolitanism envisions of world where solidarity, cooperation,

921
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 8: and mutual aid emerge from below through free association, rather

922
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 8: than being imposed from above. So today will be unpacking

923
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 8: the history of cosmopolitanism, how anarchists have engaged with the topic,

924
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 8: and why it remains somewhat of a battleground today. Yes,

925
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 8: the term itself comes from the Greek cosmopolitis, which means

926
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 8: citizen of the world. The earliest articulation of this idea

927
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 8: is often attributed to Diogenes of Sinope, who is a

928
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 8: Synic philosopher who, when asked where he came from, simply replied,

929
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 8: I'm a citizen of the world. According to Martha Nusbaum,

930
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 8: Greek stoics like Xeno of Citium, Seneca, and Marcus Aurelius

931
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 8: expanded on this idea, arguing that humanity shares a universal

932
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 8: reason and should live in accordance with nature, not artificial

933
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 8: divisions of state or tribe. Of course, many of these

934
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 8: philosophers didn't have any issue with patriarchy or slavery in Greece,

935
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 8: so there is some inconsistency in their concept of a

936
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 8: shared humanity.

937
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, the two counts as human I guess, isn't it like?

938
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 9: Which is pretty bleak.

939
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 8: Indeed, But let's pass forward a bit. During the Enlightenment

940
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 8: we see a more structured political philosophy of cosmopolitanism. Emrgin

941
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 8: Emanuel Kant was one of its most famous proponents. In

942
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 8: the book Perpetual Peace, kan't imagine a cosmopolitan condition, where individuals,

943
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 8: not just states, had universal rights, and where a global

944
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 8: federation of free republics would ensure peace and cooperation. However,

945
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 8: his version of cosmopolitanism still relied on legal structures and

946
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 8: state based governance. Another Nightman thinker associated with cosmopolitanism was

947
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 8: Dni Dederu, who criticized colonialism and argued for a cultural

948
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 8: exchange free from that kind of domination. He also argued

949
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 8: against monarchy, the church, and aristocratic privileges, as they were

950
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 8: obstacles to a truly free and universal human community, which

951
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 8: then brings us to the French Revolution, which brought these

952
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 8: ideas into the real world. Revolutionaries declared the Rights of

953
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 8: Man and of the Citizen, which proclaims universal rights beyond

954
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 8: national or social status, but the revolution soon became entangled

955
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 8: with nationalism, early under the Acabins, who suppressed descent and

956
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 8: waged wars in the name of France. Meanwhile, the Haitian

957
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 8: Revolution provided a different example of liberation. In practice. Enslaved Africans,

958
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 8: inspired by the French Revolution's rhetoric of liberty inequality, revolted

959
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 8: against French colonial rule and established the first free Black republic.

960
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 8: The revolutionaries, led by tous Saint Levitire argued that liberty

961
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 8: was a universal human right, not one limited to European citizens,

962
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 8: and declared Haiti a refuge to all enslaved persons. But

963
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 8: despite its radical implications, the Haitian Revolution was largely ignored

964
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 8: or outright opposed by European powers. Their so called enlightenment

965
00:48:44,200 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 8: only extended Europe, ignoring our racial and colonial realities. Seeing

966
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 8: this time the emergence of nationalism, which on the one

967
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 8: hand promoted self determination for homo pressed nations, but on

968
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 8: the other hand, saw the nation state as a superior

969
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 8: form of political organization. So anarchists were among the earliest

970
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 8: critics of nationalism. Patrons of Pradawn, for instance, rejected both

971
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 8: the nation state and centralized cosmopolitan governance, instead advocating for federation,

972
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 8: a frequently misunderstood concept that refers in anarchist literature to

973
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 8: a decentralized network of freely associated individuals and groups working

974
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 8: in solidarity. Similarly, Mikhil Vicunen attacked nationalism as a tool

975
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 8: of ruling elites, arguing that states use national identities of press,

976
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 8: class struggle, and international solidarity. Bi Cunin did back national

977
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 8: liberation movements, but he understood the danger of nationalism as

978
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 8: a force that often replaces foreign rulers with homegrown oppressors. Instead,

979
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 8: Bcunen promoted an gist internationalism where workers and oppressed peoples

980
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 8: across borders would unite against both capitalists and state powers.

981
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 8: By contrast, the Bolsheviks would eventually developed the idea of

982
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 8: socialism in one country, and the ever paranoid Stalin would

983
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 8: famously deride Jewish intellectuals as quote rootless cosmopolitans. This, of

984
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 8: course aligned him with the rest of Europe's nationalists in

985
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 8: their anti semitism inaccurate cricketerization of cosmopolitanism as opposed to

986
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 8: cultural identity or sovereignty and ramid defense of national borders. Honestly,

987
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 8: I would not be surprised if Trump or Putin used

988
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 8: some equivalent to rule less cosmopolitanism today.

989
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I did see. It was like a pro

990
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 9: Trump account. I guess constantly or unconstantly paraphrasing Stalin this week.

991
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: So that was great.

992
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 9: Really, will they say it's like, how many divisions does

993
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 9: the judge command? Which is a I think there might

994
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 9: be a quote from Startin if it's not quotes a paraphrase, right,

995
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 9: But in this case, it's a reference to the attempts

996
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 9: by a district court judge in GC to block the

997
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 9: rendition of people to El Salvador who are accused of

998
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 9: being members of various gangs, and Mirosalva culture being the

999
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 9: two main ones.

1000
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 8: Yes, so just being expelled. What's the connection to Stalin?

1001
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 10: Though?

1002
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 9: The quote how many divisions does the judge command? Let me,

1003
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure how many divisions does the pope command?

1004
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 9: Was the staling?

1005
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: Quite?

1006
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: That's right?

1007
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 9: So, like it's referencing this idea that like might makes

1008
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 9: right and like that, you know, if you have the

1009
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 9: bar of the state, then you're not accountable to morally

1010
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 9: or even even within the confines of the state, like

1011
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 9: separation of powers that we're supposed to happen in the US, right,

1012
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 9: like if you have the monopoly on coercive violence and

1013
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 9: you're no longer constrained by those things.

1014
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I see, I see. So of course anarchists

1015
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 8: suppose all those things. They opposed what is happening now,

1016
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 8: and they oppose what was happening then. From its inception,

1017
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 8: anarchism has been an internationalist movement rejecting the artificial borders

1018
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 8: imposed by state and champion in global solidarity. Unlike Marxist internationalism,

1019
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 8: which has often relied on the centralized structures of the First, Second,

1020
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 8: or Third internationals, anarchists emphasized decentralized horizontal networks of struggle

1021
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 8: the connected workers, revolutionaries, and stateless peoples across continents. The

1022
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 8: anarchist Saint Emir Internationale, which ran from eighteen seventy two

1023
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 8: to eighteen seventy seven, was one such network. As discussed

1024
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 8: by Lucian van der Waldt and Schmidt in Black Flame,

1025
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 8: that group explicitly rejected nationalism and state power, and throughout

1026
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 8: history anarchists worked a bridge linguistic, cultural, and national divides

1027
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 8: from multilingual anarchist newspapers in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries

1028
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 8: such as La Protester Argentina, their Camp in Germany and

1029
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 8: The Libertaire in France, through transnational cynicalist movements like the

1030
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 8: Industrial Workers of the World, which organized workers across race, nationality,

1031
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 8: and language in the early twentieth century, and including contemporary

1032
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 8: mutual aid networks where anarchists coordinates across borders to support refugees,

1033
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 8: disaster relief, and addigenous land struggles. Anarchist networks, contrary to

1034
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 8: popular belief often extended beyond Europe into North Africa, Asia

1035
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 8: and Latin America, where anti colonial and labor struggles intertwined

1036
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 8: with anarchist thought. If you're curious, by the way, about

1037
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 8: the anarchist histories of Egypt or the rest of Latin America,

1038
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 8: they could check out my series on it right here

1039
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 8: on the canappen Air podcast. And if you've listened to

1040
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 8: that series, you'll know that because anarchists were constantly persecuted,

1041
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 8: exile became a defining experience which further reinforced the internationalism.

1042
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 8: Folks like Michail Bi Cunan, Pieter Kropotkin, and Erikomana Testa

1043
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 8: moved across continents, spreading anarchist ideas and connecting struggles. Mal

1044
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 8: test in particular was basically a common San Diego. He

1045
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 8: touched multiple continents over the course of his life. So

1046
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 8: bout the late nineteenth century, anarchists like Groulph Rocker developed

1047
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 8: an alternative to both statist nationalism and liberal cosmopolitanism, which

1048
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 8: sorts of balance cultural diversity with global solidarity from below.

1049
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 8: Rocker argued that people should be free to maintain their

1050
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 8: cultural traditions without being bound to the state or nationalist identity.

1051
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 8: So liberal Costopolitanism was pushing a global order through state

1052
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 8: led interventions, international institutions, and legal frameworks. And while this

1053
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 8: form of Costopolitanism has led to some games on people

1054
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 8: in human rights, international refugee protections, and anti genocide treaties, well,

1055
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 8: for one, we see the failures of these institutions in

1056
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 8: practice daily, and for two, they ultimately reinforced the state

1057
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 8: power that creates so much harm rather than dismantling it.

1058
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 8: The UN and the WTO often uphold the interest of

1059
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 8: powerful states above and before the international laws and obligations.

1060
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 8: Whilst sideline and grassroots movements, while liberal Costopolitanism sits on

1061
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 8: its hands waiting for elit driven reforms to the system,

1062
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 8: anarchists engage in direct action to support migrants and other

1063
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 8: marginalized folks without waiting for such reform. I have to

1064
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 8: give a shout out here, of course, to the No

1065
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 8: Borders network, and also a shout out to the work

1066
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Speaker 8: that you do, James on the side.

1067
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I've see a lot more people

1068
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: than me doing.

1069
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Speaker 8: It of course. So the sad part is, even if

1070
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 8: it started with some noble ideal the concept of liberal

1071
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 8: cost of politanism today doesn't so much manifest in the

1072
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 8: freedom of people, but more so in the freedom of

1073
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 8: markets and money, the globalization of markets and money. So

1074
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 8: we will bring McDonald's and Netflix to your country, but

1075
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 8: you can't come to our country, or will kill you.

1076
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's about it.

1077
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 9: It was really interesting to like the moment I sort

1078
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 9: of became aware of libertarian left politics was in the

1079
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 9: early two thousands in the context of the movement against

1080
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Speaker 9: like the G eight as it was then and at

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Speaker 9: the time it would be referred to in the legacy

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Speaker 9: media as like anti globalization right, which I don't think

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00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 9: it ever was right by definition, it was very global,

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 9: like you had people from all around the world tending

1085
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 9: these protests and rallies and speeches as such, Like it

1086
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 9: was a very global movement. The problem was not with

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00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 9: globalization costopolitanism internationalism. It was with the nature of neoliberal

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00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 9: capitalist globalization, which let capital move and stop people from moving.

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00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 8: Exactly. It's some old opposition sugg as the free reign

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00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 8: of exploitas across the.

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Speaker 9: Low Yeah, exactly, we let people take their money and

1092
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 9: employ people at lower wages, but God forbid those people

1093
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 9: ever want better for themselves or attempt to come somewhere

1094
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 9: where they can materially benefit themselves doing the same labor

1095
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Speaker 9: in a different nation, for instance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And to be honest with you, I've never really

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00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 8: been a respect of borders. I think they're just I

1098
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 8: think they are really really blatantly foolish imposition. I don't

1099
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 8: even think you need to be a radical to see

1100
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 8: the issue with this idea that your sor one point

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00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 8: has to determine your entire future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that some.

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 8: People in the past could cut up the earth and

1104
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 8: then decide where you can roam freely.

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00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think anyone. I see a lot more from

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00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 9: people who are not by any means radical or even

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00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 9: on the left, like this, like within Europe, right within

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00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 9: the Shanngen area, which the UK has decided to remove

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00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 9: itself from for reasons that are largely racism, Like we

1110
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 9: could move freely. When I grew up, my identity and

1111
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 9: experience was much more European than necessarily British. Right, I

1112
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 9: could go for the weekend to Spain if I wanted to,

1113
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 9: or France, and flights were cheap then.

1114
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: So it did.

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00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 9: Like I used to get on Friday night, take a

1116
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 9: train to Belgium and raise my bike in Belgium and

1117
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 9: come back on Sunday night, very very often, and like

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 9: you see it here too in San Diego, where like

1119
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 9: the border is just a line and a delay. But

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Speaker 9: for most people, like we were a very binational community. Unfortunately,

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00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 9: the one way that that manifests itself is that the

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 9: cost of living in San Diego compares to the average

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00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 9: wage is vastly disparate because we have this over pressure

1124
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 9: valve where like people can't afford it here, they can

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Speaker 9: live across the border where the cost of living is cheaper,

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Speaker 9: and that allows people to exploit working class people in

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00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 9: both contexts sadly.

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, as you mentioned the UK, by the way,

1129
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure if you've heard the news, but trend

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Speaker 8: Ad has recently been imposed visa requirements by the UK.

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Speaker 1: Fuck sake.

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Speaker 8: Yeah really, thankfully we still have Shangani area access. Yeah,

1133
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Speaker 8: but just recently the UK was like, due to yeah,

1134
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 8: the usual excuse people abusing the asylum seeking system that

1135
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 8: they're not removed of visa exemption. So our colonizers have

1136
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 8: now decided that you know, we don't want you to

1137
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 8: move free in our country. We want you to pay.

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 8: And visas are not cheap Theyan ever cheap, especially when

1139
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 8: there's no guarantee other than being accepted. Yep, it makes

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00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 8: it all the more frustrating.

1141
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and like this just comes after the British government

1142
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 9: attempting to deport Afro Caribbean migrant kmes, part of what

1143
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 9: we call the wind Rush generation, which is just one

1144
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 9: of the most disgusting and like, yeah, it just it

1145
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 9: just wanted one of the most venopathetic things I've ever

1146
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 9: seen a government do, Like these people who the UK

1147
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 9: asked to come so that it could rebuild this economy

1148
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 9: after Second World War, and then taking advantage of the

1149
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 9: fact that at that time there was no process for

1150
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 9: regularitation and then trying to deport these people who have

1151
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 9: lived their whole lives in the UK.

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Speaker 1: It's just horrific.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. It's horrific, it's frustrating, it's infury, it's

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Speaker 8: in really yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me really angry.

1156
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Speaker 9: Like if we didn't have a wind Rest generation, not

1157
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 9: that like you need like popular music to justify their

1158
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 9: existence as part of our community and they should be

1159
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Speaker 9: able to stay. But we wouldn't have punk music if

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 9: we wouldn't have scar music. We like so much of

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Speaker 9: what is like integral to even like quote unquoite British culture.

1162
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 9: It actually came from these people because they are British

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Speaker 9: and they belong there.

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Speaker 1: Just as much as anyone else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I used to teach a class about music and colonial

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Speaker 9: culture and colonialism, which is why that comes to mind.

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Speaker 8: I actually missed an opportunity to go to the UK

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Speaker 8: earlier this year. I didn't want to pay the cost

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Speaker 8: to fly to go at that point in time. I

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01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 8: deeply regrets it because I'm like I could have gone. Honestly,

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Speaker 8: I think if you're the UK and your your country

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01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 8: has stolen so much like I think the UK has

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Speaker 8: the least right or justification out of any country if

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Speaker 8: you had to concede that a country should be lost.

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Speaker 3: And I don't.

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Speaker 8: I don't give any country that concession. But if you

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 8: had to give that concession, you could be last to

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 8: receive that concession as far as I'm concerned. You don't

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01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 8: get to go on roam across the entire planet and

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01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 8: then shut yourself off. Yeah, you don't get to go

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01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 8: on steel and pill fall from across the world, shuffle

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 8: it all into your national museum and then block people

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Speaker 8: from access in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: It is just like it's just the most clear and

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01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 9: pathetic like two level standard or whatever, and it like

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01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 9: it's I mean, the UK has a very I'm sorry

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Speaker 9: you didn't get to visit in one sense, and I'm

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Speaker 9: sure we have lots of listeners who are in the UK.

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Speaker 9: Every time I'm home, I feel this like profound sense

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Speaker 9: of like post colonial melancholy that the UK it's just

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 9: sort of it's getting worse and worse and worse.

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Speaker 1: And the way.

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Speaker 9: Britain is responding is with our government blaming everyone else

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Speaker 9: and like trying to strip posterity. Yeah, stealing everything they

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01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 9: can just mass Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that frustration for me as well as

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Speaker 8: that it's not to watch the country itself, although I

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01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 8: would have loved to have visited like Scotland and you know,

1201
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 8: we Ls and that kind of thing, but and all

1202
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 8: the stuff there is to see in London. But the

1203
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 8: biggest frustration for me is that it's a it's a

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01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 8: connection point. You know, when you impose a visa like that,

1205
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 8: you block people's connections other areas. One of the few

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Speaker 8: direct flights outside of this hemisphere you know, to the

1207
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 8: European and African hemisphere is through a flight to the UK,

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 8: and so by adding that in position, it's like it's

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01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 8: like the world feels like it's being closed.

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01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can see that.

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Speaker 8: One more where there was almost a time in the

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 8: recent past where it felt like or the world was

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01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 8: opening up to people, you know, with the internet, the

1214
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 8: rise of the Internet, and then you had, you know,

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 8: the introduction of things like the Shangan Agreement. Our access

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01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 8: the Shangan area was fairly recent. I think it was

1217
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 8: twenty fifteen we got that access. Yeah, okay, But to

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 8: go from that point to like just so quickly, you know,

1219
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 8: the tide shifts. So now there's extremely hostile global order

1220
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 8: towards something as fundamental as the movement of people.

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01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it, definitely.

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Speaker 9: We definitely are entering it in like an era where

1223
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 9: things are becoming more closed off again. Then many of

1224
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 9: us grew up with right, many of us. You know,

1225
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 9: I saw what most of my experience that I can

1226
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 9: remember was being able to move freely through Europe and

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Speaker 9: that's not the case anymore for British as citizens. Yeah,

1228
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 9: Like it's getting visas and everything else is getting harder.

1229
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 9: And harder to move around the world, and despite the

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01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 9: Internet somewhat connecting us like, our physical mobility is certainly

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 9: much more limited.

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Speaker 8: Indeed, I think the idea of cosmopolitanism, getting back to it,

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01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 8: I think it's valuable. I think, you know, the idea

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01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 8: that we have obligations to others beyond just our mediate

1235
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 8: affiliations is important. You know that human diversity is going

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 8: to be valued, not just tolerated. That that's fantastic. Carl Levy,

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01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 8: an anarchist scholar who wrote two pieces on cosmopolitanism that

1238
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 8: a link in the show notes, has argued that anarchism's

1239
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 8: history offers a third way between the hierarchical globalism of

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 8: liberal cosmopolitanism, which relies on state driven global governance, and

1241
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 8: exclusionary nationalism, which weaponizes identity and borders, often in service

1242
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 8: to the far right. And that third way that anarchism presents,

1243
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 8: not third way in the sense of fascism, third way

1244
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 8: in the sense of anarchist possibilities, is a kind of

1245
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 8: federated pluralism, the web of self organized groups that interact

1246
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 8: freely without a central authority. This version isn't just theoretical.

1247
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 8: We've seen it in recent history through antiglobalization protests, the

1248
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 8: occupying movement, the Square movements in Egypt, Spain and beyond,

1249
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 8: and so flawed. They show the potential, not yet fully realized,

1250
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 8: for diverse place based struggles that remain connected through mutuality

1251
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 8: and transnational solidarity. We have to avoid this sort of

1252
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 8: abstract universalism that can be found in cosmopolitan thought. We

1253
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 8: must incorporate decolonial struggles and crown cosmopolitan practice in the

1254
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 8: voluntary cooperation of people acted in solidarity across differences. Ultimately,

1255
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 8: the question isn't whether anarchists should engage a cosmopolitanism, because

1256
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 8: they always have. The real question is how anarchists can

1257
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 8: cultivate a cosmopolitanism that is truly liberatory when the connect

1258
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 8: struggles without eraise in difference, foster solidarity without enforcing uniformity,

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 8: and builds a world where cooperation and not domination, defines

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 8: our relationships. That's what happened today. All power to all

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 8: the people.

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 3: Peace, dark woke is back. Ten more years of liberal supremacy,

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01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: bankers in control in the great Nation of Canada. This

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01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis, I'm joined

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: by James Stout. We are discussing the twenty twenty five

1266
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 3: Canadian election, which I maybe slightly exaggerated in the opening there.

1267
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: But the election did happen yesterday or two days ago.

1268
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Speaker 3: Whenever you're listening to this, I was up all day

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01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 3: on on CBC and on Elections Dot c A checking

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01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: in on all the charts and all the stats to

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 3: see how this how this kind of upset election went,

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01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 3: and oh boy, did it did it go? James? How

1273
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 3: much do you do you know about Canada and elections?

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 9: But both of these things are things that I have

1275
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 9: some knowledge about. I've been to Canada twice. That's a

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 9: fellow Commonwealth member.

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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, we are both citizens of the Commonwealth.

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01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: So there we go.

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Speaker 5: Just kind of have the Queen on the money. Queen

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 5: is dead, dead.

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Speaker 3: Queen Queen is dead, but yes, we do have Queen

1282
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: on money money.

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Speaker 1: So that's another thing I understand.

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01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 3: We have a parliamentary system like like yeah, liket do

1285
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 3: I say England or like Britain or UK.

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 5: It's a yeah, it's a United Kingdom I think would

1287
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 5: be the institute that Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

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01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: Well we have one of those two, but it's less

1289
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: confusing because it's just one country. We don't try to

1290
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: be three countries like like you in the UK, Britain

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01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 3: in England did.

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Speaker 5: Where a continent, let a mini continent. That's what we're

1293
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 5: going for. We've left Europe where we run away to

1294
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 5: the Caribbean slowly.

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Speaker 3: Oops. Yeah, luckily Canada is doing just fine. Debatable, but

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Speaker 3: certainly this election has has gone probably slightly better for

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Speaker 3: global stability in stopping the advance of far at populism

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Speaker 3: than certainly what it looked a few months ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: for people wh don't know, Yes, Canada has a parliamentary system.

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Speaker 3: People do not elect the prime minister directly. They elect

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Speaker 3: the MP in their district, which is called a writing.

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Speaker 3: It's a first past the post system, so whoever gets

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Speaker 3: the most votes in each writing they get their representatives.

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Speaker 3: Since to Parliament, the party with the most representatives they

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Speaker 3: take control of the government and that is who the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister is. And the next Prime Minister of Canada

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Speaker 3: will be Mark Karney, who assumed the prime minister rule

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Speaker 3: like last month, winning the Liberal election after Justin Trudeau

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Speaker 3: resigned in January. And before we get into some of

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Speaker 3: the results, at first a little bit of an election.

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Speaker 3: Kind of background. So Liberals have been in power for

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Speaker 3: nearly a decade, slowly getting less and less popular as

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Speaker 3: the cost of living has risen. Less election in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one, the Liberals kept their minority government, but the

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Speaker 3: leader of their party, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, continued

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01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 3: to decline in popularity. By the end of twenty twenty

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 3: four's approval rating was just twenty two percent or net

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Speaker 3: negative fifty two. Conservatives were up twenty five points in

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Speaker 3: the polls. It was a near certainty that they would

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Speaker 3: sweep the next election. Trudeau announced his resignation on January sixth,

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Speaker 3: kind of the January sixth of Canada, if you think

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Speaker 3: about it. Former banker Mark Karney won the party election

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Speaker 3: in March of twenty twenty five. Carney quickly called for

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Speaker 3: an election to write off the peak of anti Trump

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01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 3: sentiment sweeping across Canada. This was following Trump's talk of

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Speaker 3: annexing Canada and the global trade war and tariffs directed

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Speaker 3: at the American neighbor upstairs, next door, I don't know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: downstairs south, No from America. It's a oh I see yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: yeah from yeah, got it. Understand, which is maybe a

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Speaker 3: northern standpoint, but who cares.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: This election or an election, would have happened by October

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five regardless, but calling it early was a

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: smart move by Liberals as this was the first time

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Speaker 3: in three years that they had led in the polls.

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Speaker 3: Support for other third parties like the Keebuquad Bloc and

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 3: the National Democratic Party the NDP had slowly been shifting

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Speaker 3: towards the Liberals and we saw this in the results

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Speaker 3: Monday night. At this point, the Liberals are projected to

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Speaker 3: win one hundred and sixty eight seats, falling barely short

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Speaker 3: of the one hundred and seventy two majority. There's still,

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Speaker 3: as a time of recording, still a possible path for

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: them gaining a majority government, but it's fairly unlikely. It'll

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Speaker 3: probably be a minority government. The Conservatives have one one

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: hundred and forty four seats, the Blackabiquah twenty three, and

1346
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 3: the NDP a measly seven, with the Green Party snagging one.

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Speaker 3: Liberals also secured the largest vote share, forty three point

1348
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 3: six percent of the vote compared to the Conservatives forty

1349
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Speaker 3: one point four percent, though because of a vote efficiency

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Speaker 3: basically how spread apart certain votes are. This has still

1351
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 3: led to much more seats for the Liberals than the Conservatives. Right,

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01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: if you have more Conservatives voting in a district that's

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: going to go conservative anyway, those extra votes don't necessarily

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 3: mean there's going to be more representation in Parliament. That's

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01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 3: the vote efficiency idea.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, plus plus supposed to is a very bad system

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Speaker 5: as electoral systems go. It leads to an awful lot

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Speaker 5: of votes not counting for any representation. Like, for instance,

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Speaker 5: to Garrison Davis, party could have fifty one percent of votes.

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Speaker 1: In all writing and.

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Speaker 5: I could be there at forty nine and I would

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Speaker 5: get zero MPs base.

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Speaker 3: Hey sounds fine.

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Speaker 5: Sounds fine by me, Garrison Davis in control.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is kind of what happens in Canada. The

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Speaker 3: election system in Canada is pretty swayed towards the Liberals

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Speaker 3: because of how much more dispersed they are versus you know,

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Speaker 3: most Conservative supporters in the Western provinces Saskatchewan, Alberta in

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 3: BC and a growing presence in Ontario. But yeah, the

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Speaker 3: Liberals kind of always get a bit of a boost

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Speaker 3: in the election. Now, we did have record high early

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01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: turnout in Canada, seven point three million people cast their

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 3: vote early during Easter week. The full turnout is higher

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Speaker 3: than it was the past few elections, but it matches

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01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 3: pretty much to the twenty fifteen election. So to get

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01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 3: a majority government you need one hundred and seventy two seats.

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01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 3: This allows you to not have to worry about like

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01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: no confidence votes which trigger new elections, and you don't

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 3: need to work with other parties to pass legislation. Now,

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01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,799
Speaker 3: this will probably be a minority government, with the Libs

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01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: having to work with a small number of remaining in

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Speaker 3: DP and block seats to run the government, which one

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 3: could consider a good thing in terms of being pushed

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01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: maybe towards some better policies rather than just like liberal supremacy.

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01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,440
Speaker 3: But it also in its government will be more unstable

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: and it kind of gives the Conservatives more room to wiggle,

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Speaker 3: So it's definitely a mixed bag. As reporting first came

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 3: in for Atlantic Canada, it showed that this would be

1389
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: a tighter race than what the Liberals were hoping for.

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 3: During election night, it seemed Conservatives were on track to

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 3: pick up two seats in Newfoundland, though in the end

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01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,480
Speaker 3: the Liberal incumbent barely kept their seat, beating the Conservative

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 3: challenger by twelve votes. In Terra Nova the Peninsulas. The

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 3: Libs did fare much better in Quebec, though they flipped

1395
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: eleven seats. This was the best performance by Liberals in

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Speaker 3: Quebec in years now. Conservatives gained some seats from the

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 3: Liberals in Ontario under Doug Ford, with Conservatives flipping seats

1398
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 3: around the Toronto suburbs. One of the biggest stories of

1399
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: this election was just the complete NDP collapse the progressive

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 3: kind of democratic socialist New Democratic Party. They're currently projected

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01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 3: to lose seventeen of their twenty four previously held seats.

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01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 3: The NDP basically gave Carny this election. Jack Met Singh

1403
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 3: lost his seat. That's the leader of the NDP. He

1404
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 3: lost his seat to Wade Chung, a Liberal, and stepped

1405
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 3: down as leader on Monday night. Part of what makes

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 3: this such a big setback for the NDP is that

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01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: because they failed to win at least twelve seats, they

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01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 3: actually lose official party status in Parliament. Parties have to

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 3: win at least twelve seats to be recognized as an

1410
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 3: official party in the House of Commons. Official parties get

1411
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 3: to have offices in Parliament, extra staff, They get to

1412
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 3: ask questions legislative sessions and can sit on committees. Now,

1413
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: the NDP did previously lose party status in nineteen ninety three,

1414
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,919
Speaker 3: winning only nine seats in that election, but this performance

1415
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: was slightly worse, hitting only seven. So this is going

1416
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: to be a big shake up. The NDP is going

1417
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 3: to have to be forced to rebuild, which is maybe

1418
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: necessary based on kind of a degree of NDP stagnation

1419
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: the past decade. They're kind of caught in like twenty

1420
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: seventeen politics in my opinion, though saying did lead them

1421
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: to pass some significant legislation and progressive policies do have

1422
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 3: a degree of popularity in Canada. The NDP was polling

1423
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 3: about the same as the Liberals just three months ago.

1424
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 3: The movement that we're seeing is from NDP voters scared

1425
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 3: of Polyev and Trump, so they moved to Carney to

1426
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 3: avoid splitting the left vote, as Carney was seen as

1427
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 3: more capable of beating Polyiev than the NDP leader Sing

1428
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 3: and certainly justin Trudeau. Now, Funnily enough, some of this

1429
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: quote unquote STRICTGIC voting actually did end up splitting the

1430
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 3: vote in a place like b seen specifically Vancouver, which

1431
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 3: recently has gone strongly NDP. But this year the Conservatives

1432
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 3: were able to snag three seats because enough previous NDP

1433
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 3: voters ended up going liberal in an attempt to gain

1434
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: a Liberal majority, but that resulted in neither the NDP

1435
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 3: nor the Liberal candidate actually individually getting enough votes to

1436
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 3: win the riding. Let's talk about vote share compared to

1437
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 3: the last twenty twenty one election, so Liberals did fairly

1438
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 3: well this election, especially compared to previous ones. They gained

1439
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 3: over ten points compared to the last election in twenty

1440
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: twenty one. Conservatives also didn't do badly actually like they

1441
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,919
Speaker 3: actually did. Okay, this certainly wasn't the result they were wanting,

1442
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 3: but they did not do bad. They gained over seven

1443
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 3: and a half points this race. Reliable Conservative voters still

1444
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: voted conservative and they were able to siphon off some

1445
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: support from other parties, with Conservatives doing slightly better than

1446
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 3: what polling predicted, but a lot of very close races

1447
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 3: across key districts. Now where all those extra votes or

1448
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: vote movement is coming from is all of the third parties,

1449
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 3: the Green Party and the Black EPIQUA both dropped over

1450
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 3: a point. The far right People's Party dropped four points

1451
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 3: and the NDP dropped eleven point six huge huge losses

1452
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 3: for the NDP. Most of those voters probably going liberal,

1453
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 3: although some may just not have voted. One of the

1454
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: more interesting parts about this election is that the Conservative

1455
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 3: Party leader Pierre Polliev lost his parliamentary seat. He lost

1456
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: to Liberal Bruce Fanjoy by about four thousand votes four

1457
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 3: point six percent of the vote. So this is going

1458
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 3: to probably cause a bit of an upset in the

1459
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: Conservative Party. There might be some maternal in over whether

1460
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 3: Polyiev should continue as party leader, though he did not

1461
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Speaker 3: step down from that position during his concession speech Monday night. James,

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 3: do you have do you have any thoughts here before

1463
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 3: we pivot to ads.

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 5: It wouldn't be such a like scene, as such a

1465
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 5: humiliation for the Conservatives if it wasn't for all the

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 5: polling until maybe like a couple of months ago. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, The reason why it's such an upset is because

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01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: they were like destined to win, as almost like divinely

1469
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 3: written into fate like three months ago, and the fact

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Speaker 3: that they fumbled this is gonna be like a massive,

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Speaker 3: like historical footnote, not even a footnote. This is like

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Speaker 3: a historical topic. Is how the Conservatives fumbled this election?

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01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, like people, the thing is that the Liberals want

1474
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 9: despite people having been pissed off with them for a

1475
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Speaker 9: long time and wanting something different. Yeah yeah, because people

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 9: would just like mad at Trump.

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Speaker 3: And we will talk more about the background of the

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01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 3: lead up to this race and in those dynamics that

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Speaker 3: James mentioned in the next segment after these ads. Okay,

1480
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 3: to talk more about the lead up to this race

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Speaker 3: and Trump's influence on this election, I talk with Lance

1482
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 3: from the Serfs, of fellow Canadian who talks about politics

1483
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: just as much as I do. So here is that

1484
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: interview that I recorded just a few hours before the

1485
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 3: polls closed in Canada.

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01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 10: Hey, my name is Lance. I run a number of

1487
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 10: different channels, usually under the banner of the Serfs. There's YouTube,

1488
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 10: dot Com, Slash, the Surf Times, and at the serf TV.

1489
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Speaker 10: On most other social media, I cover news, politics, internet slop,

1490
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 10: usually from a dumpster fire like perspective.

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Speaker 3: And you're Canadian importantly, Yes, I am Canadian, but I

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01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 3: have been resigned to living in this States for quite

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01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 3: a while. I actually just had some Canadian family visit me,

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01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 3: and they kept making fun of me for living in

1495
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 3: the States, specifically because the States are trying to, you know,

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01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 3: take Canadian territories seemingly. So now I'm getting a lot

1497
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 3: of hate for my Canadian family members for living in America,

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Speaker 3: which is interesting.

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Speaker 10: I was gonna say, it's got to be a scary

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Speaker 10: time to be living in the United States as a

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Speaker 10: Canadian citizen.

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: A little bit, I am. I am dual, but we'll

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 3: see how long that matters. So I want to talk

1504
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about kind of the background of

1505
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 3: this election, because I think this is maybe the most

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01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 3: interesting Canadian election in the past ten years, specifically because

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01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,440
Speaker 3: of how much the results have always felt it inevitable,

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01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 3: but the actual results have like flip flop. Three months ago,

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Speaker 3: four months ago, I'm sure that me and you may

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01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 3: may have predicted probably something resembling a conservative sweep. Not

1511
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,520
Speaker 3: to put words in your mouth.

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Speaker 10: Well, Minorti or Jordi government led by the Conservatives, know

1513
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 10: no question that that was where all the major polling

1514
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 10: was trending. And then the exact opposite on this roller

1515
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:13,440
Speaker 10: coaster election in both directions. I think it's pretty easily explainable,

1516
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 10: especially to your American listeners who might have been wondering

1517
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 10: what was happening. Essentially, the country had a combination of

1518
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 10: burnout on Justin Trudeau and the person who replaced Justin Trudeau,

1519
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 10: Mark Carney, effectively took the number one campaign it was

1520
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 10: the actual campaign slogan of the Conservatives away from him

1521
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 10: immediately after being crowned the new leader of the Liberal Party,

1522
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 10: which was ax the tax, which is what you know,

1523
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 10: fascist Millhouse, who we call Pierre Polievro over here. That

1524
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 10: was his big campaign promise, the Conservatives were going to

1525
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 10: ax the carbon tax, and that had a lot of

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01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 10: people excited, a lot of people didn't like Justin Trudeau.

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01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 10: And then along comes Mark Carney and he takes both

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01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 10: of those things away from the Conservatives. He's not Justin

1529
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 10: Trudeau and he acts the tax and so they had

1530
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 10: to kind of completely reset. And this was before the

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 10: wild card of Trump shows up. Yeah, which of course

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 10: now is airing not only Canada but the world. I

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01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 10: would say like most countries now are kind of having

1534
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 10: to completely reset how they think and want to do

1535
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,440
Speaker 10: geopolitics into the future because of his policies.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I know, like a decent chunk of the

1537
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 3: Alberta economy is now in great jeopardy because they can't

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01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 3: self fuck Trudeau merchandise.

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01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 10: Which was propping up their entire economy outside of the oil.

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01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, if you ignore the oil, which

1541
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 3: will probably be fine. Yeah, yeah, I guess you could

1542
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about kind of what led to

1543
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 3: this universal hatred of Justin Trudeau in like the past

1544
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 3: like like five years, just like ever so briefly.

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01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, for conservatives, a lot of it really became increasingly

1546
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 10: more intense with COVID, and I think internationally there was

1547
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 10: an association with very basic safety protocols and tyranny. So

1548
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 10: I guess some people the United States and Canada both

1549
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 10: saw the idea of wearing a mask gra having to

1550
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 10: wash their hands as some sort of dictatorship akin to

1551
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 10: some of the worst war crimes ever committed on any population.

1552
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 10: That made a schism happen, where a de sentiment kind

1553
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 10: of really started accelerating towards less of you know, blaming

1554
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 10: Trudeau for everything, kind of like Obama that used to

1555
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 10: be a joke, like a Trudeau to actual fuck Trudeau merchandise,

1556
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 10: and the idea of you know, Trudeau being an enemy

1557
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 10: of the state and a communist dictator that was on

1558
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 10: the right side of things. On the left side of things,

1559
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 10: everyone got burnt out from Trudeau because the performative progressive

1560
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 10: politics of his entire character. He was very vocal about

1561
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 10: standing up for a lot of issues that on one

1562
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 10: end he would you know, pretend to care about, such

1563
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 10: as indigenous rights, land backs, stuff like that, and then

1564
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 10: he would be suing the survivors of residential schools in

1565
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 10: federal court to try and prevent them from getting too

1566
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 10: much money from the federal government. So there was a

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01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 10: lot of Trudeau seems to performatively enjoy being perceived as

1568
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 10: someone who's enlightened and progressive and trying to steer you know,

1569
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 10: the society and a good direction where his policies are

1570
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 10: effectively exacerbating wealth and equality very rapidly, because that's effectively

1571
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 10: what you get with neoliberal centrists, right.

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like to go back to that COVID thing.

1573
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 3: Like I was in Calgary in like spring of twenty

1574
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 3: twenty two, and I was getting like made fun of

1575
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: in like bars and clubs for like wearing a mask

1576
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 3: at that point in time, like and that is that

1577
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 3: is Alberta. But yeah, no, that was definitely like strong.

1578
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: We certainly saw degrees of that here in the States

1579
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: as well, but yeah, you know, it's a little bit

1580
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 3: of that. Like general anti incumbent sentiment was growing so

1581
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 3: much last year, which which we saw levied against the

1582
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: Democrats in the States and certainly against the Liberals. And

1583
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 3: the way that the Liberals in Canada have kind of

1584
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 3: been able to maneuver away from that in the way

1585
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 3: that like the Democrats haven't is super interesting. It's not

1586
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 3: necessarily like replicable, especially for US politics, but it's still

1587
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 3: as interesting, I guess. Like on the Conservative side, their

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01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 3: leadership changed in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 10: Right, yeah, I think so it was it was twenty

1590
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 10: two or twenty three, but I believe it was around them.

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 3: That's when Holly they became leader of the Conservative Party,

1592
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: which is like you know, closed ranks and like coalesced

1593
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 3: the past ten to five years or so, and they've

1594
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 3: been they've been gaining a large it had been gaining

1595
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, a large degree of popularity the past two

1596
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 3: three years, not necessarily because of who their party leader is,

1597
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 3: but because they are simply not the Liberal Party at

1598
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: least That's kind of what it seemed like to me,

1599
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 3: because like, approval ratings for Paul of Aara's never been

1600
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 3: like great, but the Conservative Party has still been gaining popularity,

1601
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 3: at least previous to the past few months.

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01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't want to play, you know, give the

1603
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 10: far right any kind of kudos or points, but I

1604
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 10: think from an analytical standpoint, something that people should realize

1605
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 10: is that within the last i'd say year and a

1606
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 10: half or so, Pierre was really really effective at doing

1607
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 10: faux populism in a way that a lot of people

1608
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 10: were starting to get very worried about. Yeah, and that

1609
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,879
Speaker 10: he was starting to see a lot about the working class,

1610
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 10: you know, the housing crisis in the country and the

1611
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 10: fact that the Liberals are out of touch elites who

1612
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 10: only care about enriching themselves, and you know a lot obviously,

1613
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 10: you'd have a lot of the right wing kind of

1614
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 10: nebulous terms like woke ideology being tied into that kind

1615
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 10: of stuff. But he was for a long time kind

1616
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 10: of starting to gain a lot of ground and traction

1617
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 10: as more of a moderate style conservative who was concerned

1618
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 10: with helping the working class, which is astonishing considering the

1619
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 10: man is a lifelong politician like that, that is who

1620
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 10: he is. He was making fun of people like the

1621
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 10: leader of the Social Democrats here, drug bet Singh. He

1622
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 10: was making fun of him for just working for a

1623
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 10: pension and not even caring about the people or the

1624
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 10: working class. The man is never marched with the union.

1625
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 10: I'm talking about Pierre. He's never marched with the union.

1626
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 10: He is a you know, his voting track record is

1627
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 10: decidedly anti worker. It's decidedly exacerbating wealth in the quality.

1628
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 10: Has worked his entire life to make houses more expensive.

1629
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 10: But marketing and branding really work, especially like you know,

1630
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 10: there's compilation clips of him saying things that are JK

1631
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 10: rallying tier in terms of both their nonsensicalness, like talking

1632
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 10: about how electricity is crafted by harnessing the power of

1633
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 10: the lightning bolts into the wire that the electrician holds up.

1634
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: Very cool, Yeah, very cool for like powers.

1635
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 10: I'm on board, but like, unfortunately that's just not how

1636
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 10: we usually generate power in this but like it works

1637
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 10: on some people. They like to see a man who

1638
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 10: fakes owlean like different kinds of wood and tools, you know,

1639
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 10: like at Tucker Carlson esque.

1640
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a wood shop.

1641
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 10: In my back and it's like that, Well, no, I

1642
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 10: think this is the first time you've ever seen that lumber, sir.

1643
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 10: But as you know, again, some voters, they really started

1644
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 10: his rebranding in that respect actually worked pretty successful for yeah,

1645
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 10: the last year and a half against Trudeau.

1646
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a pretty substantial makeover the past the

1647
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 3: past few years to make himself like presentable in this way. Yeah,

1648
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 3: very like Carlson esque, very like Ben Shapiro goes to

1649
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 3: home depot and gets some wood. It's definitely pulling from

1650
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 3: that vein, although maybe a bit more successfully and like,

1651
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: at least from my perspective, it feels like the degree

1652
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 3: to which Pierre kind of hitched himself to like the

1653
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 3: Trump populist wagon the past few years, especially like with

1654
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: like sentiments like growing in like the Western provinces, that

1655
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 3: kind of mirrors some of the Trumpian rhetoric, that type

1656
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: of stuff was getting popularity. And now because he put

1657
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 3: if not all his eggs, but some of his eggs

1658
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 3: in the Trump basket, this is like backfired in like

1659
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,879
Speaker 3: popular opinion when it comes to his ability to succeed

1660
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 3: as like a politician and like gaining support because We've

1661
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 3: seen so much anti Trump polarization based on like the

1662
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 3: fifty first state stuff based on the tariffs, and like

1663
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 3: Carnie has been able to weaponize that pretty effectively against

1664
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: against Pierre absolutely like it. Initially, like the way like

1665
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 3: popularity points shifted was like by like twenty points, which

1666
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 3: was like huge. Those have gotten closer, But.

1667
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 10: I think it's one of the biggest reversals or if

1668
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 10: not the biggest reversal Incadian political history. Was the dominating

1669
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 10: lead they had from having it almost an a shirt

1670
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 10: majority to now perhaps losing to a liberal majority, which

1671
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 10: again is unheard of.

1672
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1673
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 10: One thing that people are also kind of missing is

1674
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 10: that he also really closely started associating himself with Elon

1675
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 10: Musk prior to leader of you know, the US or

1676
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 10: whatever you want to call him, the real president of

1677
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 10: the United States. But he had a number of rallies

1678
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 10: and on the record praising Elon Musk prior to Elon Musk.

1679
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 10: This was pre Elon Musk overt Nazi era kind of

1680
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 10: more just like Nazi light era version Nazi.

1681
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1682
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 10: But around that time, Pierre was asked, like what do

1683
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 10: you think about being endorsed and praised by Elon Musk,

1684
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 10: and you know, he started making jokes about how his

1685
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 10: kids want to go to Mars, so that's pretty cute,

1686
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 10: and started talking about how he wants Elon Musk to

1687
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 10: build more factories and plants in Canada. Well that's all

1688
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 10: really coming back to hurt him now, because the very

1689
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 10: idea of there being a stronger Tesla presence in the

1690
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 10: country is decidedly rejected by the populace. Like, you know,

1691
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 10: the protests that are going on in the United States

1692
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 10: against Tesla's are going on here as well. Maybe not

1693
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 10: as large scale or perhaps as fire based, but a

1694
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 10: lot of them are occurring here, and so like that

1695
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 10: I think is also really hurting him. So there's been

1696
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 10: this really funny, strange political dance that's kind of happened

1697
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 10: in the last couple of months where everyone is trying

1698
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 10: to say Trump loves you more. It's like a circular

1699
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 10: fine squad. Like at one point the Conservatives were trying

1700
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 10: to market themselves to saying Trump was making fun of

1701
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 10: Pierre in this clip, so look he hates Pierre more. Yeah,

1702
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 10: And then another it was like oh no, no, no, look

1703
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 10: he's talking a lot of smack about Mark Karney. He

1704
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 10: hates Mark Carney Moore, so that that has actually become

1705
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 10: a very strong dynamic of the Canadian election is who

1706
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 10: exactly does Trump like Moore? And that's not going to

1707
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 10: be good for you if it turns out you're the one.

1708
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 3: I guess I'd like to talk a little bit now

1709
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 3: at the end here about Mark Karney himself and kind

1710
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 3: of what this means for the Liberal Party. He was

1711
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 3: the Governor of the Bank of Canada starting in to

1712
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 3: US in eight then he became governor of the Bank

1713
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: of England and managed them through the Brexit fiasco. Brexit

1714
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 3: was not his idea. He was not pro Brexit, but

1715
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 3: he just had and to be holding the reins of

1716
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 3: of the Bank of England during that time period. Returned

1717
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 3: to Canada, has served as like an informal advisor to

1718
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Trudeau and now is the is the leader of the

1719
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 3: Liberal Party. He's a very I don't know, he tries

1720
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 3: to like project this sense of like he's like a

1721
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Speaker 3: like like a reasonable man, which which which he you know,

1722
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 3: in some ways is like he's like he's like kind

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01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 3: of boring. He works in banking, right, like he's he's

1724
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 3: not like overtly charismatic, but he doesn't have like the

1725
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 3: the like youthful, like bumbling presence of like Trudeau. Like

1726
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,560
Speaker 3: he just he seems he seems kind of basic. I

1727
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 10: Uh yeah, I mean that's a good way putting it. Yeah,

1729
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 10: you're you're totally right. I mean we're talking about a

1730
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 10: lifelong banker. I mean, he's even worked for gold Mill Sacks.

1731
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 10: He has a yes, a very long and sordid Uh well,

1732
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Speaker 10: I mean, in some view, it depends on your worldview, right,

1733
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 10: if you were as a person who thinks that the

1734
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 10: solution going forward, especially in the face of actual manifesting fascism,

1735
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 10: is more neoliberal policies, austerity and measures, then you might

1736
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 10: be very, very excited to perhaps get your own, like

1737
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 10: honestly Joe Biden style election here, where we are once

1738
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 10: again going to be choosing centre to center right economic

1739
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 10: policies that are going to undoubtedly exacerbate wealth and equality more.

1740
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 10: They are not going to solve the housing crisis. The

1741
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 10: housing crisis of Canada, while it is portrayed constantly as complex,

1742
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 10: really goes down to fundamentally, there are a lot of houses,

1743
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 10: but there are also a lot of houses being built

1744
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 10: in luxury markets that most people can't afford. Speculation is

1745
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 10: not addressed, and so speculation usually gets blamed on foreign investors,

1746
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 10: which in turn kind of brings up the whole immigration fears,

1747
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 10: which are very successful. But with Carney, I mean, I

1748
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 10: don't see anything dramatic. Not only did he acts the

1749
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 10: carbon tax when he was in power initially, and that

1750
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 10: was again, I think, strategically to remove the power the

1751
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 10: Conservatives had on that policy. He also is getting rid

1752
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 10: of the capital gains tax again is just going to

1753
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 10: be funneling more money towards the ultra wealthy in Canada.

1754
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 10: So the problem for me is that, if anything, I'm

1755
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 10: happy that Pierre it looks like he might not win.

1756
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 10: I don't know what by the time people are listening

1757
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 10: to this, what the results are. But I also recognize

1758
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 10: that this does not solve these crises for simply putting

1759
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 10: band aids on a pause before you know, finally a

1760
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 10: Trump of our own gets elected and then yes, people

1761
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 10: after the facts start realizing, oh my god, he's doing

1762
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 10: a lot of the horrifying things that he promised he

1763
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 10: would do. He's actually trying to enact Project twenty twenty five,

1764
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 10: all these terrible things are happening. Well, I mean, if

1765
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 10: this was an election where it looked like Pierre was

1766
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 10: going to win, I would say he is going to

1767
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 10: follow through on all the aggressive measures and more that

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01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 10: he's promising right now, which include, you know, suspending the

1769
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 10: Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to people that he

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01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 10: deems should be worthy of receiving freedoms, specifically because, like

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01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 10: Donald Trump, he wants to begin silencing people for their

1772
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 10: speech in relation to protesting against Israel and their genocide

1773
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 10: of Palacidians, especially if you are an immigrant toward someone

1774
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 10: on a student visa, and these policies, you can see

1775
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 10: they're a disaster after the fact, and people I think

1776
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 10: wake up to them like Americans are right now when

1777
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 10: they realize Trump's actually doing it. But you know, make

1778
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 10: no mistake, it doesn't require, you know, too long of

1779
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 10: the increase and we ought wealth and equality for people

1780
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 10: to look for an answer because they're not being listened

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01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 10: to by the libs.

1782
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Are the liberals here? No?

1783
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 3: It is interesting that how much this election has almost

1784
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 3: mirrored the American two party system with the block QEBUQUA

1785
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 3: as well as the MDP, like probably most likely right

1786
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 3: this is before the results, but probably going to be

1787
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 3: losing seats to both the Liberals and the Conservatives. Yes,

1788
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 3: and like I think like a big part of this

1789
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 3: election I think is similarly looking back in the past

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01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 3: ten years, is how much I think the NDP is

1791
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 3: frankly fumbled and probably needs to do a major overhaul

1792
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 3: to really regain trust in the voters. And yeah, it's

1793
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 3: going to be tough because I think, like for the

1794
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 3: progressives in Canada, it's kind of been convenient for the

1795
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 3: Liberals to have a minority government because then they need

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01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 3: to work with ENDPT.

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Speaker 1: And they've gotten the law accomplished.

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Speaker 10: To be fair to Chuck Means, and you know, they're

1799
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 10: for American listeners, the Social Democratic Party of Canada, they

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Speaker 10: accomplished some great things working in a minority government setting,

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Speaker 10: including a pharmacare program, including a federal feeding program for children,

1802
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 10: a school lunch program, you know, working on paid families

1803
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 10: sickly even extending it. So they've done a lot of

1804
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 10: good and sort of enacting progressive policies. But it's the

1805
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 10: Liberals who are also equally as good at taking credit

1806
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 10: for all the things that people have come to really

1807
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 10: like such as having dental care for the first time

1808
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 10: and having cheaper farmercare and stuff like that.

1809
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 3: Thanks to Lance again for talking with me about the

1810
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 3: Canadian election. It's time for one more ad break and

1811
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 3: we'll come back to discuss the future of the Canadian government. Okay,

1812
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 3: we are back. Let's talk a little bit more about

1813
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 3: Trump's undue influence in the twenty twenty five Canadian election,

1814
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 3: because it is a little bit for a foreign leader

1815
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 3: to be exerting this much influence in the votes of

1816
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 3: you know, a separate country. Now, this was an election

1817
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 3: that was previously about liberal stagnation and wanting change in

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01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 3: economic policy. This was kind of leading the Conservative popular

1819
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 3: support the past two three years. And very suddenly this

1820
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 3: whole election changed and it became about who Canada trusted

1821
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 3: to oppose Trump and who Canadians wanted to be like

1822
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 3: the face of Canada in this new like global trade

1823
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 3: war and this fight against a hostile neighbor. And Trump

1824
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 3: did not help this. On election morning, Trump released his

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01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 3: statement basically endorsing himself as the leader of Canada.

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Speaker 5: Oh great, saying quote.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to the great people of Canada. Elect the

1828
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 3: man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your

1829
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,879
Speaker 3: taxes in half in increase their military power for free

1830
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 3: to the highest level in the world. Have your car, steel, aluminum, lumber, energy,

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01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 3: and all our businesses quadruple in size with the zero

1832
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 3: tariffs or taxes. If Canada becomes the cherished fifty first

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01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 3: state of the United States of America, oh no more.

1834
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 3: Artificially drawn the line from a many years ago. Look

1835
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: how beautiful this land mass would be, free access with

1836
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,719
Speaker 3: no border, all positives, with no negatives. It was meant

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01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 3: to be. America can no longer subsidize Canada with hundreds

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01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 3: of billions of dollars a year that we've been spending

1839
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 3: in the past. It makes no sense unless Canada is

1840
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 3: a state man.

1841
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: Trump the border abolitionist.

1842
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 3: This is the rhetoric that really produced a liberal victory.

1843
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: And Trump did kind of back off this stuff in

1844
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 3: the past few weeks. And it's very funny to see

1845
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 3: him go like full throttle the morning of the election

1846
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 3: in case anyone was like on the fence about whether

1847
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 3: they really was worrying about like Trump. This just this

1848
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 3: says like such a crazy hell Mary. And we can

1849
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 3: see this in some polling stats on Trump's Inauguration day,

1850
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 3: the Conservatives in Canada were leading forty four point eight

1851
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 3: percent in the polls, compared to the Liberals twenty one

1852
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 3: point nine percent and the NDP's seventeen point six But

1853
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 3: as Liberals searched for a new leader and as Trump

1854
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 3: took office, the Conservative lead slowly started to slip. The

1855
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 3: President began referring to Canada as the fifty first state,

1856
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 3: called the prime minister quote unquote governor, and threatened to

1857
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 3: impose huge tariffs to stop a non existent fentanyl smuggling

1858
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 3: crisis through the Canadian US border. By April, the Conservative

1859
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 3: lead had fully flipped over to the Liberals, who rose

1860
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 3: to forty four percent in the polls, Conservatives falling to

1861
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 3: thirty seven percent and the NDP around eight point five.

1862
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 3: And these are pretty close to the final results. This

1863
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 3: number is very accurate for liberal support. Conservatives got a

1864
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 3: little bit more than thirty six percent of the vote

1865
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 3: and NDP got a little bit less than this eight

1866
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 3: point five. This is according to data from CBC and ABAGUS.

1867
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 3: This was very much a leader's election, meaning that one

1868
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 3: of the biggest factors driving votes was who people wanted

1869
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 3: the prime minister to be and Mark Carney is much

1870
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 3: more popular despite being kind of an unknown figure, which

1871
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 3: kind of actually helps in popularity. Carney's was so much

1872
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 3: more popular than Poliev. The past three months, Carney has

1873
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:34,520
Speaker 3: steadily gained in popularity, getting forty six percent approval, whereas

1874
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 3: Polyiev has slowly declined in popularity. I talked about this

1875
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 3: a little bit with Lance, but the degree to which

1876
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 3: he's aligned himself with this like anti woke, like far

1877
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 3: right populism rhetoric really bit him in the ass these

1878
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 3: past few months. He would have done fine against Trudeau, certainly,

1879
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 3: he was really writing auth that like anti incumbent wave,

1880
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 3: but he is not like a loved figure across Canadian politics,

1881
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 3: even among some conservatives. The two most important factors driving

1882
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 3: Canadians vote, according to Abacus, was reducing cost of living

1883
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 3: and dealing with Donald Trump. Younger voters seem to be

1884
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 3: more focused on cost of living and changing policy around

1885
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 3: fifty seven percent of voters eighteen to twenty nine, while

1886
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 3: older voters around fifty six percent of boomers were more

1887
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 3: concerned about stopping Trump. The very first topic in the

1888
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 3: Canadian Prime minister debate was tariffs and US threats to

1889
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 3: Canadian sovereignty. This is seen as like a very real

1890
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 3: issue up there, and like hatred against the US is

1891
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 3: genuinely growing, Like people are very upset. Canadians are very

1892
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 3: upset about what Trump and the US has been doing.

1893
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 3: It's being seen as like a genuine like intense betrayal.

1894
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,919
Speaker 3: The by Canada movement's been gaining a lot of support

1895
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 3: with people trying to only purchase Canadian products and this

1896
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 3: has resulted in a real cultural moment in Canada united

1897
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 3: against the United States.

1898
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 5: It's genuinely remarkable, Like the Canada of the US have

1899
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 5: always had pretty good relations for it. Well not a

1900
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 5: waste they have.

1901
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 3: Well ever since that one, that one, yeah, yeah, no

1902
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 3: one time, yeah, but the things they have improved it

1903
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 3: in and like it's what's also remarkable is it seems

1904
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 3: to be having an effect in Australia as well.

1905
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 5: And if you've seen that, but like I think I

1906
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 5: saw an ad the other day that just said, doesn't

1907
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 5: wants to make Australia like America, like straight up, you

1908
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 5: know this is our Trump and he wile to align

1909
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 5: with Trump. Like yeah, it's incredible.

1910
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 3: The degree which Trump doing this global trade war has

1911
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 3: catalyzed negative sentiments around this, like far right populism, global

1912
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 3: global wave that we've been seeing has really been a

1913
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 3: boon to neoliberalch enemy the past few mins.

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01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 9: You'll see like any I mean obviously, like I take

1915
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 9: voter interviews in like legacy media with a huge pinch

1916
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 9: of salt right, it's pretty easy to find someone who

1917
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 9: wants to say what you want them to say. And often,

1918
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 9: you know, certainly some of the US interviews are just

1919
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 9: been ridiculous, but like people saying, Oh, I just want

1920
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 9: to go back to how it was, Like I want

1921
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:07,959
Speaker 9: to go back to you know, the things that we're

1922
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 9: used to. And obviously Trump is trending that for a

1923
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 9: lot of people, and like in a very negative way.

1924
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 9: And so you and as Garrison said, like the politics

1925
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 9: of personality is becoming more important, like voting specifically for

1926
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 9: individuals who they think will have like the negotiating ability

1927
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 9: or just bravery or like whatever it is to stand

1928
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 9: up to Trump.

1929
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And like in Canada, I think it's less

1930
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 3: personality driven, like actually Canadians are very against personality politics. Yeah,

1931
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 3: I guess it's more like competency driven. And this is

1932
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 3: where Carney was really able to succeed. It's because he's

1933
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Speaker 3: not a compelling personality, but he is like a professional,

1934
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Speaker 3: and that is why he was elected. Carneie helped Canada

1935
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Speaker 3: whether the two US and eight financial collapse better than

1936
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Speaker 3: almost any other Western nation. He is genuinely good at

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Speaker 3: his job of being like a neoliberal, like bank economy guy,

1938
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Speaker 3: and specifically with these tariffs. This is the guy that

1939
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Speaker 3: you want to handle this global trade crisis because this

1940
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Speaker 3: is like what he has done his entire life. He's

1941
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Speaker 3: never been elected to office before. He is just an

1942
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Speaker 3: economy guy. And we saw this in like head to

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Speaker 3: heead matchups with Carnie versus Polier, rating certain things like

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Speaker 3: finding common ground to solve a dispute, where carne was

1945
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Speaker 3: twelve points ahead, standing up to a bully, Carney's eight

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Speaker 3: points ahead, managing household expenses Carney six points ahead. Sitting

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Speaker 3: beside you on a long airplane flight, Carneie six points ahead.

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Speaker 3: Captaining a ship through a rough storm Carnee five points ahead.

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Speaker 5: That's what you need, You need a seafarer five ahead

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Speaker 5: on seafaring.

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Speaker 3: Hosting the best party Carney one point ahead. And you

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Speaker 3: will see.

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Speaker 9: It's this reminiscent of that like was it like Tim

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Speaker 9: the plumber shit from like the bush Pailian election, like

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Speaker 9: the people I would want to have a beer with.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the The funny thing is is the

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Speaker 3: Conservatis are still better in like those types of like

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Speaker 3: physical things like putting out a kitchen fire, polyev is

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Speaker 3: up to and putting up a shelf. Polyev's up six.

1960
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Speaker 3: This's the only two ones specured where the conservative candidate

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Speaker 3: edged out the liberals is putting out a kitchen fire

1962
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Speaker 3: and putting up a shelf. But all other things like

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Speaker 3: solving disputes, standing up to bowlies, managing like expenses like

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Speaker 3: household expenses. Carnee Carne came out. I'm gonna read a

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Speaker 3: few lines from Carney's celebration acceptance speech here, and I'm

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Speaker 3: just gonna read them and not play clips because he

1967
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Speaker 3: blends English and French and that's gonna be annoying. No

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Speaker 3: offense to our French speakers out there. Yeah, Garrison, it's

1969
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Speaker 3: gonna be annoying to play for a podcast. It's not

1970
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Speaker 3: gonna do for quote. America wants our land, our resources,

1971
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Speaker 3: our water, our country. These are not idle threats. President

1972
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Speaker 3: Trump is trying to break us. So America can own

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Speaker 3: us that will never happen. We are once again at

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Speaker 3: one of those hinge moments of history. Our old relationship

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Speaker 3: with the United States, relationship based on steadily increasing integration,

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Speaker 3: is over. The system of open global trade anchored by

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Speaker 3: the United States, a system that Canada has relied on

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Speaker 3: since the Second World War, a system that, while not perfect,

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Speaker 3: has helped deliver prosperity for a country for decades, is over.

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Speaker 3: But it is also our new reality. We are over

1981
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Speaker 3: the shock of the American betrayal, but we should never

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Speaker 3: forget the lessons. We have to look out for ourselves

1983
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Speaker 3: and above all, we have to take care of each other.

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Speaker 3: When I sit down with President Trump, it will be

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Speaker 3: to discuss the future economic and security relationship between two

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Speaker 3: sovereign nations, and it will be with our full knowledge

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Speaker 3: that we have many, many other options than the United

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Speaker 3: States to build prosperity for all Canadians. We will strengthen

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Speaker 3: our relations with reliable partners in Europe, Asia and elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: And if the United States no longer wants to be

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Speaker 3: in the forefront of the global economy, Canada will quote

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Speaker 3: and yeah, this is the type of rhetoric that's going

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Speaker 3: to be I think successful in Canada right now and

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Speaker 3: probably in the next few decades, is Canada's going to

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Speaker 3: try to take the spot that America used to used

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Speaker 3: to hold as like the center of like global power,

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Speaker 3: especially with climate change, with you know, crop crops slowly

1998
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Speaker 3: slowly needed to be moved north. I think as as

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Speaker 3: as global warm progresses, Canada is in a spot to

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Speaker 3: be a like a new emerging like world power. And

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Speaker 3: with the degree to which America is just kind of

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Speaker 3: giving up that role under Trumpable, someone like Carney is

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Speaker 3: very interested in in gaining that that degree of superiority.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna read a few comments from

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Speaker 3: from our listeners who I asked to send over their

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Speaker 3: thoughts on the Canadian election. And yes, this is a

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Speaker 3: limited sample, sask It's based on the politics of people

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Speaker 3: who listen to this show. But I still think there's

2009
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 3: there's some interesting points here outlining what's happened in this election.

2010
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Speaker 3: Quote Mark Karney might not be far enough left for

2011
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Speaker 3: my tastes, but he immediately made gas cheaper a tangible

2012
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Speaker 3: improvement for my brokeass. And with the way he's been pulling,

2013
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Speaker 3: I'm settling on voting for him to keep the Conservatives

2014
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Speaker 3: out with their stated anti woke agenda, pritesis, bigoted, not

2015
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Speaker 3: like I have much choice. I would have loved to

2016
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Speaker 3: be picking here about my vote, but I don't feel

2017
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Speaker 3: confident in the NDP or the Greens to come out

2018
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Speaker 3: on top of the cons Another person said, quote, I

2019
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Speaker 3: can't believe the country seems to be rallying around a

2020
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Speaker 3: neoliberal central banker in the face of American fascism. But

2021
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Speaker 3: our resentment to the US seems to kind of override

2022
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Speaker 3: all other political considerations. So much of the way this

2023
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Speaker 3: election is panning out is a display of our culture's

2024
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 3: profound inability to take necessary risks. We're running scared to

2025
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Speaker 3: the serious administrator, man in the blind hope things will

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Speaker 3: be safe and normal again. When he fails, will take

2027
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Speaker 3: a late and stupid risk again unquote. And this is

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Speaker 3: something I've seen other people express, is like with this

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Speaker 3: kind of Obama esque, you know, serious man in charge,

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Speaker 3: this like return of neoliberalism. Will this just set the

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Speaker 3: stage for, like the material conditions for someone like Trump

2032
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Speaker 3: to emerge in the next ten years. This is a

2033
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Speaker 3: fear that I've seen people express. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: is an inevitability, because this is not America in twenty

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Speaker 3: twelve or twenty sixteen. This is Canada in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: The world is different, but I can understand this fear. Lastly,

2037
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Speaker 3: i'll read from one other comment or from Blue Sky quote.

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Speaker 3: I understand the drive to keep the Conservative Party out

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Speaker 3: of office, but I'm also terrified of what the Liberal

2040
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Speaker 3: Party will do to this country if they can keep

2041
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Speaker 3: campaigning on that very basis in perpetuity. It's good that

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Speaker 3: we will probably avoid the worst. It's terrible that progress

2043
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Speaker 3: is on hold until the Conservative Party is no longer

2044
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Speaker 3: a contender, which could take decades. I also do not

2045
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Speaker 3: expect the Liberal Party to meaningfully change the conditions that

2046
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Speaker 3: are pushing voters towards reactionary politics. To be again with

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Speaker 3: unquote so kind of a similar sentiment there. I think

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Speaker 3: that the role for progressives in Canada right now is

2049
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Speaker 3: either to rebuild the NDP or infiltrate the Liberals, probably

2050
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Speaker 3: rebuilding NDP in most cases, because they are going to

2051
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Speaker 3: have to have new leadership and seriously reevaluate their strategies

2052
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Speaker 3: going forward. James any notes here. I guess, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Think like I guess kind of to echo what a

2054
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Speaker 5: lot of those people said, Like in the US, we

2055
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Speaker 5: had Biden for four years, right, essentially because he was

2056
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Speaker 5: elected on not being Trump, and he was able to

2057
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Speaker 5: get away well, he thought he could get away with

2058
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Speaker 5: more than he actually was able to get away with

2059
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Speaker 5: as it turns out electorally, but like we were admonished

2060
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Speaker 5: to vote for the person who wasn't Trump, right, and

2061
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Speaker 5: what we got is open air detention for migrants, what

2062
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Speaker 5: we got is inflation, what we got as a genocide

2063
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Speaker 5: in Gaza, right. And this fear that a lot of

2064
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Speaker 5: other nations in the global north right, like these neoliberal

2065
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Speaker 5: economies are feeling, is going to lead to lots of

2066
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Speaker 5: that like, yeah, we need a serious man, we needed,

2067
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Speaker 5: we need a statesman's stand up to Trump, and that's

2068
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Speaker 5: going to reinforce a one of that neoliberal orthodoxy and

2069
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Speaker 5: that's going to make it very hard to make any

2070
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Speaker 5: meaningful progress to electoral politics in those countries for the

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Speaker 5: next few years, which sucks.

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Speaker 3: I think this is why some people are excited about

2073
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Speaker 3: the minority government, although it is less stable. They could

2074
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Speaker 3: be swayed by some more of the progressive agendas from

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Speaker 3: the NDP because they'll need NDP or block cooperation to

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Speaker 3: run the government.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they can't do a by the date, which like

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Also like Carney isn't Biden like and the Canadian Liberal

2080
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Speaker 3: Party is not necessarily the like American Democratic Party, like.

2081
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Speaker 5: They're they're different.

2082
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Speaker 3: Stuff on Gaza is different, like that the Canadian Liberals

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Speaker 3: have have restricted arms, arms trades and arms deals to

2084
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 3: Israel the past year. Carney has not thrown trans people

2085
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Speaker 3: under the bus the same way some Democrats have the

2086
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Speaker 3: past year. Like these are these are different people. I think,

2087
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Speaker 3: you know, Canada is a different country than the United

2088
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Speaker 3: States for now. Garrison and I think what we can

2089
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 3: see here is that this Canadian election, although it was close,

2090
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 3: it still was a rejection of Trump's style politics. Most

2091
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 3: Canadians do not want Canada to go the way of America.

2092
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,520
Speaker 3: There's there's been a subset of Canadians, especially in Alberta

2093
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,679
Speaker 3: and and and Saskatchewan, who have been trying to push

2094
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 3: for this like mega style like Canada first rhetoric and

2095
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 3: and this was denied. I think you were seeing more

2096
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 3: support for Conservatives under Doug Ford with this more like

2097
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 3: moderate conservatism. I think that's something to like watch out

2098
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 3: for more. But like this, this Trump style of politics

2099
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 3: was was rejected across the country. Yeah, and and and

2100
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Speaker 3: Carney was able to figure out a way to make

2101
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 3: people trust him to be a genuine like combatant against

2102
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Speaker 3: against Trump and and usher and a new a new

2103
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Speaker 3: golden age of neoliberal trade in the face of Trump's

2104
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Speaker 3: Trump's chaotic and and anti market sentiments.

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Speaker 9: Hopefully it does put an end too, like this, this

2106
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Speaker 9: tendency among liberals, especially in the US but also in

2107
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Speaker 9: the UK, to like feel that they need to engage

2108
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Speaker 9: on right wing culture war talking points and like, I

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Speaker 9: guess quote unquote give some ground, Like we've seen that

2110
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 9: in the UK right with with like really transfer a

2111
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Speaker 9: big ship coming out the Labor Party, And like I

2112
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Speaker 9: would hope that like people can see where this leads

2113
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Speaker 9: to and that they're not going to vote for liberal

2114
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Speaker 9: politicians who are going to throw trans people under the bus,

2115
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Speaker 9: and like that that will be like a deciding factor

2116
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Speaker 9: in their support.

2117
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Speaker 1: But I guess that's just my hope right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and and frankly, you know, a better liberal party

2119
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Speaker 3: or a liberal NDP coalition would would be would be

2120
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Speaker 3: willing to engage with the idea of like taking trans

2121
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Speaker 3: refugees from these extremely hostile countries sighly, which is just

2122
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Speaker 3: something they've they've not like you know, publicly talked about.

2123
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Speaker 3: But as things get worse than the States, we will

2124
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Speaker 3: we will see. So yeah, but that is what I

2125
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Speaker 3: have to say as a as a Canadian who lives

2126
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Speaker 3: in the United States, my thoughts on the Canadian election.

2127
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Speaker 3: You know, it could have been worse.

2128
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Speaker 9: It is.

2129
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Speaker 3: It is odd to see Canada almost accidentally replicate America's

2130
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Speaker 3: two party system. So even if this was a rejection

2131
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Speaker 3: of trump'style politics, this this this climate of fear did

2132
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Speaker 3: result in replicating America's two party system, which is kind

2133
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Speaker 3: of interesting the amount of which, like the third parties

2134
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Speaker 3: lost support, with support going just towards conservatives and liberals.

2135
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Speaker 3: That is, you know, one of the big stories of

2136
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Speaker 3: this election, the the NDP blowout one of the big stories,

2137
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Speaker 3: and poliv losing his seat. I think is is is

2138
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Speaker 3: at least, at the very least a nice cherry on

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Speaker 3: top for this for this election.

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Speaker 1: Whoa welcome back to it could happen here a podcast

2141
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Speaker 1: about you know it happening here, which is what we

2142
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Speaker 1: all what we all you know, we know what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and the it being rebellion in the here

2144
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Speaker 3: being a galaxy far far away, and then now being

2145
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Speaker 3: long long ago for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we are. These are our may Day episodes and

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Speaker 1: nothing could make more sense on May Day than talking

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Speaker 1: about and or the new season of the show and

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Speaker 1: or if you're not familiar with and Or it is

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Speaker 1: a Star Wars show, and if you don't like Star Wars,

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Speaker 1: or you just don't like the Disney Star Wars, if

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Speaker 1: you've not enjoyed a Star Wars since you were six,

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Speaker 1: This is not that kind of thing. This is a

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Speaker 1: treatise on how revolutions do, can and should work, written

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Speaker 1: by people who have a deep bed of knowledge, including

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Speaker 1: a degree of on the ground knowledge of what some

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Speaker 1: of this looks like. And it is an immensely important

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Speaker 1: piece of media to be getting out right now. And

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Speaker 1: we'll start by saying Disney evil, bad corporation. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying pay them for Disney plus Torrents exist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, raise the black flag, Raise, raise the black flag.

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Speaker 2: Once again.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how you get this. And you know

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Speaker 1: what I'll say this, I suspect the people making and

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Speaker 1: Or don't really care how you get this. This has

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Speaker 1: been the most financially successful show and generations. Fuck it.

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Speaker 1: Get it, like, don't don't pay Disney money if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to. I have no issue with that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know whose login I'm using it. I haven't for years.

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Speaker 1: Garrison can vouch for that. Just just watch it.

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Speaker 3: Be like Cassie and Or and Liberate and Or season

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Speaker 3: two from from Disney, and watch it however however you

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Speaker 3: feel comfortable doing so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, use your f.

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Speaker 2: Movie is use your here's your whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about the current season of and Or,

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Speaker 1: which is coming out in three episode blocks every Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: The second three episodes, we're now up to six episodes,

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Speaker 1: came out yesterday as we record this Tuesday of this week,

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Speaker 1: and there's two more weeks of and Or coming. So

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Speaker 1: this episode we're going to be talking about episodes one

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Speaker 1: through three. We should probably start with a little If

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Speaker 1: you haven't watched it, go watch it. Just watch season one,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you can watch season two and

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Speaker 1: listen along with us. If you're not, if you're a

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Speaker 1: crazy person who's not going to do that will summarize

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Speaker 1: season one for you, which is that there's this guy

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Speaker 1: who grew up on a planet that was destroyed by

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Speaker 1: the Empire. He essentially like lived as a hunter gatherer

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Speaker 1: until you know, the war came to him and he

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Speaker 1: was forced out of his home and grows up very angry,

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Speaker 1: is taken in by some people who are kind of

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Speaker 1: like petty criminals and petty almost petty rebels, you know,

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Speaker 1: but not in the rebel alliance sense, just and that well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to commit some crimes around the edges and

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Speaker 1: try to get by. And the show is about this

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Speaker 1: guy getting inducted into a revolutionary organization run by a

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Speaker 1: man named Luthen that that is simultaneously very centralized around

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Speaker 1: him and also very decentralized, and that it's primarily him

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Speaker 1: arming and getting information and attempting to direct cells that

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Speaker 1: are themselves autonomous and often in conflict with each other,

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Speaker 1: which is very realistic to how things like this start.

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Speaker 1: On a historical level, everything that's happening in and Or

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Speaker 1: is based in real history. Tony Gilroy, who is the showrunner,

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Speaker 1: has stated that the kind of bank robbing years of

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Speaker 1: Joseph Stalin were one influence behind this, But there are

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Speaker 1: a lot you can see, and in fact there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of Portland at the end of season one.

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Speaker 1: There's a number of things that have influenced this show,

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Speaker 1: a lot of moments in history the IRA.

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Speaker 3: Some of the IRA like post al Qaeda, like prison

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Speaker 3: resistance rebellion. Yes, for how terrorist cells like form underneath and.

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Speaker 2: Also very explicitly he talks about this in an interview

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Speaker 2: like the Revolutions podcast by Mike Duncan. Is an influence

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Speaker 2: on how on how this one is?

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Speaker 1: Yes, was an influence on this Yes. So that's all

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Speaker 1: to set this up. We're now going to talk about

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Speaker 1: what happens in episodes one, two, and three of season two.

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Speaker 1: You want to summarize them, gear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start with the first episode. So, undercover rebel

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Speaker 3: agent Cassian Andor steals in experimental tie Avenger, crashes it

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Speaker 3: on a jungle planet, and then finds himself in a

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Speaker 3: sectarian split between this other rebel cell who just had

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Speaker 3: like a DISASTERUS operation.

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Speaker 1: Their leader got killed, so no one's really sure who

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Speaker 1: should be running things.

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Speaker 3: They capture Cassian because they think he's an Imperial pilot,

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Speaker 3: and he tries to negotiate with them as their infighting continues. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Imperial intelligence agents converge to develop a plan on how

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Speaker 3: to squash potential resistance on the planet Gorman as they

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Speaker 3: plan to extract calkite minerals from the planet's core, potentially

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Speaker 3: endangering the stability of the planet to build a dust

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Speaker 3: star by the way, Yes, to build a dust star.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what's happening is these minerals are necessary to

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Speaker 1: collect the system that makes the death stars big planet

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Speaker 1: destroying gun work. But at this point, basically no one

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Speaker 1: knows that, and the imperial like intelligence yeah, and they're

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Speaker 1: being told that it's part of an energy independence project.

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Speaker 3: Mon Mathma, the senator from Tandrella who eventually becomes a

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Speaker 3: rebel leader in the Star Wars movies, is helping to

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Speaker 3: plan the Traadcath wedding for her daughter against Mathema's own wishes,

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Speaker 3: and she runs into some difficulties with someone who helped

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Speaker 3: her clean up some of her financial blemishes to help

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Speaker 3: finance the rebellion. So this is most of what happens

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Speaker 3: in this first episode. We have some of and Or's

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Speaker 3: previous comrades and planet Ferriks are on this like farming

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Speaker 3: planet and they're nervous about potential inspection. So I guess specifically,

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Speaker 3: do you have anything we want to talk about on

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Speaker 3: this first episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I want to talk about the scene where they

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Speaker 1: talk about clearing out Gorman, because when they talk about

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Speaker 1: mining it for this mineral that's necessary to make the

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Speaker 1: Death Star, they're talking about basically doing deep fracking at

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Speaker 1: the core of the planet that is going to make

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Speaker 1: it uninhabitable, right Like, they're basically tearing out the core

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Speaker 1: of this world that produces high quality textiles, right Like,

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Speaker 1: it's famous kind of a luxury goods exporter. That's really

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Speaker 1: all they make. There's these spiders there that make a

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Speaker 1: nice kind of silk. That's what the planet does. And

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Speaker 1: it's got this population of people who are used to

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Speaker 1: being given a lot of autonomy because they make very

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Speaker 1: this nice, this like luxury product that all they're rich

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Speaker 1: people like, right, So that the folks running there are

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Speaker 1: public and in the early years when there was still

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Speaker 1: more the public, the Empire was still more on their

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Speaker 1: republican side. Still people didn't want to talk with them

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Speaker 1: too much because they make a luxury good.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 1: There was a massacre there kind of early on in

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Speaker 1: the Empire when Tark and the target Yeah, landed a

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Speaker 1: cruiser on a bunch of protesters killing them. But other

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Speaker 1: than that, it's been pretty quiet for a while. There

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Speaker 1: is like a small and not super competent or armed

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Speaker 1: rebel cell starting up on the planet, and they have

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Speaker 1: this big meeting the Empire does, where everybody gathers at

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Speaker 1: a castle with the guy who's in charge of building

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Speaker 1: the Death Star to talk about how to clear off

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Speaker 1: this planet. The meeting itself in this part of the

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Speaker 1: episode is based off of the Vonse Conference, which was

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Speaker 1: a conference held in nineteen forty two by Reinhart Heidrich

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Speaker 1: and kind of managed by Adolf Eichman to plan the holocaust.

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Speaker 1: This is where they actually sat down and talked about

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Speaker 1: how are we going to build death camps, how are

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Speaker 1: the death camps going to operate, how will we evacuate

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Speaker 1: people to the death camps? All of that right, there

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Speaker 1: was a meeting. A bunch of guys showed up. There

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Speaker 1: are minutes of the meeting. Tony has stated, if you've

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Speaker 1: watched there's a great TV movie it's like twenty years

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Speaker 1: old at this point, called Conspiracy. It stars Kenneth Brannaw

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Speaker 1: as Reinhardt Heidrich, who is the architect who was like

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Speaker 1: the guy running the Holocaust. Initially it's stars Stanley Tucci

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Speaker 1: as Adolph Eichmann, an incredible iikman by the way, and

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Speaker 1: this scene is deeply influenced by that movie. Right, There

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Speaker 1: was another German movie also that, like the movie with

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Speaker 1: Brannaw was based off of. But but Tony Gilroy has

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Speaker 1: said that that movie was an influence and that this

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Speaker 1: is based on the Bonse conference, and there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of lines that are almost word for word. One of

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Speaker 1: the big differences is there's a point at which they

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Speaker 1: bring in a couple of PR agents who are outside

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Speaker 1: of the empire. That's like an outside PR corporation and arm. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think they're an outside contractor who does marketing normally

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Speaker 1: and is doing propaganda if I'm remembering right.

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Speaker 3: I think they're part of the Ministry of Enlightenment is

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Speaker 3: what they call it. Yeah, yeah, credimful name. They have

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Speaker 3: some of the best bits, yes, from this meeting.

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Speaker 1: Their job is to put out propaganda that makes the

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Speaker 1: Gormans look arrogant and unloyal and bad to everyone else,

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Speaker 1: so that when they're massacred no one will care. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Quote, hasn't there always been something a little arrogant about

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Speaker 3: the gour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good. It's it's very good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking about how they like create false news

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Speaker 3: stories and like influence public opinion to be weaponized in

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Speaker 3: favor of the imperial project the Ministry of Enlightenment. Stuff

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Speaker 3: is very good. The other line I really like is

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Speaker 3: from Dedra, one of the main characters from like the

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Speaker 3: previous season, who has this like female isb agent and.

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Speaker 1: She's sort of being made the aikman of the the

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Speaker 1: Gorman Project.

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Speaker 3: And like she talks with a chronic Ben Mendelssohn's character

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Speaker 3: like about how propaganda really only gets you so far,

2323
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,920
Speaker 3: and instead what they will need to need to work

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Speaker 3: on is actually like controlling the Gorman resistance from the inside,

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Speaker 3: Like you need to count on rebels to do like

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Speaker 3: the wrong thing at the right time. So about like

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Speaker 3: like like astroturfing some kind of insurgency that can actually

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Speaker 3: in the end service the Empire's interests, and like this

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Speaker 3: is what she's talking about for her project being is

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Speaker 3: actually like helping to influence the way that the resistance

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Speaker 3: operates on the planet instead of just just focusing on

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Speaker 3: like public opinion and propaganda and like military might.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, What I really appreciate about this scene is the

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Speaker 1: degree to which it shows, Number One, how information is

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Speaker 1: siloed in a situation like this, how people are on

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Speaker 1: a need, Like this room is informed at the start. Whoever,

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Speaker 1: your bosses, if they're not in the room, they don't

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Speaker 1: know about this. Yeah, and you don't tell them, Like

2339
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:42,400
Speaker 1: we do not want the tightest of closed services. We

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Speaker 1: are doing a genocide and we're not talking about it

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Speaker 1: to other people.

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Speaker 3: They report directly to the Emperor. No other people beneath

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02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 3: the emperor knows what's happening. Yeah, and even the Emperor

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02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:54,960
Speaker 3: doesn't really know all of the details at this point,

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Speaker 3: Like yeah.

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Speaker 2: And this is like like the people are cutting out,

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Speaker 2: like like they're cutting out, like the director of Imperial

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02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 2: of the ISP, Like they're cutting out, the director of

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02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 2: Material intelligeny're cutting off, like grabbing off Tarkin, like they're

2350
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 2: cutting out, Like the most important people in Star Wars

2351
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 2: have no idea. Like it's not even going to be

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02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 2: the Vader. I mean, Vader probably knows, but there's no

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Speaker 2: fucking mention of him at all either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he can read mine, so I assume he's been

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02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 1: able to like glean some things, But Yes, he's.

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Speaker 2: Not not involved in any of this shit because he's

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Speaker 2: not a Dutch star guy.

2358
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, this isn't like a massive population, so

2359
02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:28,320
Speaker 1: they're viewing this primarily as like a pr problem. So

2360
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:30,680
Speaker 1: both you need to get out messaging that these people

2361
02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:33,200
Speaker 1: are arrogant and bad so that nobody supports them when

2362
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:36,360
Speaker 1: we start killing them. And we need a terror cell

2363
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 1: that can be trusted to carry out attacks against the

2364
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:43,120
Speaker 1: empire that will justify what we need to do, right,

2365
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:45,360
Speaker 1: So that that's the point of this meeting. It's very

2366
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:48,360
Speaker 1: well shot, it's very well done. There's a lot of

2367
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 1: understanding of like just history in it that I appreciated

2368
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 1: as a Holocaust nerd. That's a bad way to frame it.

2369
02:05:56,760 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, that is a bad way to frame it.

2370
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, nope, nope, nope.

2371
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,360
Speaker 1: Anyway, No, if you've watched these episodes and you loved

2372
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:07,440
Speaker 1: them and you found that scene chilling, go watch Conspiracy

2373
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:11,920
Speaker 1: with Kenneth Brannaw and Stanley Tucci. Oh, the Tuc, the Tuc,

2374
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:14,360
Speaker 1: the Twoch playing Iikman Garrison.

2375
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:16,040
Speaker 12: Dad.

2376
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:18,480
Speaker 3: Alright, let's go on a break and then come back

2377
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:19,800
Speaker 3: to talk about episode two.

2378
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:31,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're back.

2379
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:35,640
Speaker 1: Did you guys know Stanley Tucci super pro Palestine.

2380
02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:36,640
Speaker 3: That's cool.

2381
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 1: Oh nice with an actor like that that I've really enjoyed.

2382
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:42,360
Speaker 1: I always am like white knuckling it if I when

2383
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:45,320
Speaker 1: I decided to google that, and I was pleasantly surprised

2384
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: with the tuc All right, that's what I got here.

2385
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:52,160
Speaker 3: Let's do Episode two. The Empire arrives on this farming

2386
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:57,839
Speaker 3: planet to complete inspections on Coruscant. Our little slimy weasel

2387
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:02,080
Speaker 3: Carril Karn keeps rising through the the Imperial ladder at

2388
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:07,480
Speaker 3: the Bureau of Standards. Man Mathma's financial schemes to help

2389
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 3: secretly fund the rebellion start coming undone as one of

2390
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 3: her like backers or like the.

2391
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:14,040
Speaker 2: Guy who's moving the money around for.

2392
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,400
Speaker 1: Her, yet he's helping her wash her money.

2393
02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:21,080
Speaker 3: One of her collaborators, take Kola, starts to kind of

2394
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:26,120
Speaker 3: back out or ask for ask for some assistance, and

2395
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 3: is getting a erratic in his behavior as he's going

2396
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:31,000
Speaker 3: through a divorce.

2397
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:34,640
Speaker 1: And is making kind of vague threats about well, maybe

2398
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:36,480
Speaker 1: I'll talk to someone about what I know.

2399
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, if I if I don't get something out

2400
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,760
Speaker 3: of this relationship, I might be forced to do something

2401
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:46,080
Speaker 3: else to ensure like my safety and financial security. Meanwhile,

2402
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 3: Cassian is still on this jungle planet, held captive by

2403
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:53,360
Speaker 3: these by these sectarian leftists start firing at each other

2404
02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:56,680
Speaker 3: and totally totally break down.

2405
02:07:56,280 --> 02:07:59,560
Speaker 1: Literal circular firing squad and it's beautiful.

2406
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 3: They go full, they go full Red.

2407
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:06,040
Speaker 1: Army, Japanese Red Army, thank you very.

2408
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:09,839
Speaker 3: Much, Japanese Red Army, and Cassie and barely barely escapes.

2409
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:13,200
Speaker 3: Over the course of this like multi day like conflict

2410
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:16,200
Speaker 3: with the UH, with the remnants of this rebellion cell,

2411
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit about this UH leftist infighting

2412
02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:19,760
Speaker 3: plot point.

2413
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something something I've never actually really seemed

2414
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:26,000
Speaker 2: to pick it in you kind of like mainstream media thing,

2415
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:28,840
Speaker 2: which is something that that happens in real movements, which

2416
02:08:28,840 --> 02:08:31,840
Speaker 2: is that when when movements suffer serious setbacks or when

2417
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, and we see this more commonly in real life,

2418
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:35,680
Speaker 2: when sort of like you know, the tide of a

2419
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:38,720
Speaker 2: movement falls and everything starts falling apart. And these are

2420
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 2: people who just got absolutely obliterated in a battle of

2421
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 2: their leaders dead, a bunch of their comrades died. One

2422
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 2: of the things that happens is in this is that

2423
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:48,080
Speaker 2: this is when the this is when social movements evolve

2424
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 2: into infighting, you know, and this this is what was

2425
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 2: happening inside of like the American Left roughly from twenty

2426
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:54,080
Speaker 2: twenty one to twenty twenty four was you got you

2427
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 2: got this giant, really vicious cycle of infighting, because this

2428
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 2: is this is what happens when there's no longer grow

2429
02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:03,200
Speaker 2: threat to hold. They'veyone together, and people have this tendency

2430
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:07,360
Speaker 2: to because they've just lost. Right, everyone's trying to process

2431
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:11,040
Speaker 2: the emotions of their defeat, of like the really serious

2432
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 2: psychological damage that they've suffered. Like in these battles, people

2433
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 2: lash out at each other because it's easier than trying

2434
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 2: to fight an enemy that has just defeated you. And

2435
02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, there's a complicating factor in this, which is that,

2436
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:26,320
Speaker 2: like you know, these are also the periods when like

2437
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:28,880
Speaker 2: rapists tend to get ran out right and when like

2438
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:30,440
Speaker 2: abusers in the scene tend to get ran out. But

2439
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:32,760
Speaker 2: on the other hand, yeah, it turns into these really

2440
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:36,400
Speaker 2: really nasty sort of sometimes just sectarians. Sometimes they're just

2441
02:09:36,440 --> 02:09:37,680
Speaker 2: sort of like, you.

2442
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:40,960
Speaker 1: Know, I never liked this guy. People are getting in

2443
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,600
Speaker 1: trouble for being bad I'm going to just accuse this

2444
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:44,160
Speaker 1: guy of some.

2445
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,640
Speaker 3: Shit personality conflicts stuff.

2446
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And this is something

2447
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:49,760
Speaker 2: that happens like every time there's a cycle. I mean

2448
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:52,360
Speaker 2: I remember this God like, I mean you see the

2449
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 2: shit and scenes are like from like like two thousand,

2450
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:56,760
Speaker 2: like thirteen twenty fourteen, there was like a huge cycle

2451
02:09:56,760 --> 02:09:58,880
Speaker 2: of this. We're kind of cycles of this in like

2452
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,240
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. What they we're kind of falling a part

2453
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:04,280
Speaker 2: as occupy isis this is just like something that's a

2454
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:08,240
Speaker 2: reality of social movements that you don't ever really is.

2455
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:08,760
Speaker 1: He depicted it.

2456
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,360
Speaker 2: And the everything I think is fascinating about it is

2457
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,400
Speaker 2: because and Or is the person who's watching it right,

2458
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:16,320
Speaker 2: Andor has no idea what the fuck is going on

2459
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:17,680
Speaker 2: with the chulton ams of this group.

2460
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:20,200
Speaker 1: No, No, my pay is famous.

2461
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he knows who like the leader is because Lutherin's

2462
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 3: team has been like supplying them with weapons, but they

2463
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:28,800
Speaker 3: don't know about like the internal structures of those groups

2464
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:30,520
Speaker 3: for like op sec reason No.

2465
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 1: And the leaders dead, like the leader got killed in

2466
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:36,960
Speaker 1: this ambush. Right, there's you hear about her. She's named

2467
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,480
Speaker 1: in the first season My Pay. She's one of when

2468
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 1: when Forrest Whitaker in season one gives that very famous

2469
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 1: rant where he's talking about all because he's the anarchist

2470
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 1: militant leader and he's talking about all the different groups.

2471
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:51,920
Speaker 3: Separati galaxy, they're lost, all.

2472
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 1: Of them, clarity of purpose. He talks, he names my

2473
02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:59,160
Speaker 1: pay along with the other different So she's clearly a

2474
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:03,440
Speaker 1: fairly well known I think she's a republic restorationist kind

2475
02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:07,520
Speaker 1: of person, So basically a social democrat militant leader, and

2476
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:10,680
Speaker 1: her group's just gotten fucked and she is dead. So

2477
02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 1: he knows of them, but he doesn't know them.

2478
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and because of that, you get, you get, you get,

2479
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,280
Speaker 2: You get two things at the same time that I

2480
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 2: think are both really important. One is that you get

2481
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:24,040
Speaker 2: to see what this kind of like infighting looks like,

2482
02:11:24,280 --> 02:11:26,440
Speaker 2: right like like actually depicting television. You get to see

2483
02:11:26,440 --> 02:11:29,080
Speaker 2: what happens when when movements fail and when people start

2484
02:11:29,120 --> 02:11:30,840
Speaker 2: to invite. In two, you get to see what it

2485
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:32,920
Speaker 2: looks like from the outside, from Andrew's perspective where he's

2486
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 2: looking at these people, He's like, what the fuck is

2487
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,720
Speaker 2: wrong with you people? All of you guys are clowns.

2488
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:39,400
Speaker 3: These are fucking children, Like I'm doing a serious job.

2489
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is also a thing that you get this.

2490
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:43,400
Speaker 2: This is a real movement dynamic where it's like, you know,

2491
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 2: you're watching people who after twenty twenty or something, you

2492
02:11:45,720 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 2: know you've been through your first movement and you're in

2493
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:50,680
Speaker 2: your first movement cycle collapse, right if you've been doing

2494
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:51,800
Speaker 2: this and I'm like, you know, if you're doing this

2495
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:53,480
Speaker 2: for like a fucking decade and you're watching all of

2496
02:11:53,480 --> 02:11:55,360
Speaker 2: these people do this shit again, and it's just like,

2497
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,880
Speaker 2: oh god, fucking damn it. Like the kids are like,

2498
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:01,200
Speaker 2: you know, they haven't been to this before. It's really traumatic,

2499
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:04,480
Speaker 2: and they're doing all this like completely incomprehensible bullshit, which

2500
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:06,520
Speaker 2: is also like on the outside, if you look into

2501
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:08,320
Speaker 2: this as someone who's not part of one of these

2502
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:09,840
Speaker 2: scenes and you're seeing all this drama, it's just like

2503
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:12,120
Speaker 2: what the fuck is wrong with you? People? Like why

2504
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:15,480
Speaker 2: are you doing this? And the fact that you're getting

2505
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:19,440
Speaker 2: all of this like you know, fucking Disney show is fascinating.

2506
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:23,120
Speaker 1: It's why, I mean, And it shows the depth of

2507
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 1: knowledge and the the sheer amount of understanding that the

2508
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 1: people writing this have of how movements go. Again, it's

2509
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:36,440
Speaker 1: granular and it's to a degree like based in some

2510
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:39,000
Speaker 1: real experiences that some people on this team have had,

2511
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:42,160
Speaker 1: Like you don't understand stuff like this otherwise.

2512
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:45,200
Speaker 3: And as this group is like interrogating Cassie and try

2513
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:46,680
Speaker 3: to trying to figure out who he is, Like they

2514
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:49,120
Speaker 3: keep trying to dig into like what rebel group Cassiine

2515
02:12:49,240 --> 02:12:50,840
Speaker 3: is like a part of, and like who he's working with,

2516
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:53,600
Speaker 3: and he's like refusing to give them this information because

2517
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:57,400
Speaker 3: that's good security culture. And they're like, but you know

2518
02:12:57,440 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 3: who we work with, and he's like, yeah, you shouldn't

2519
02:12:59,400 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 3: have told me.

2520
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't have said that.

2521
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:05,160
Speaker 3: That was bad, very very good stuff.

2522
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:07,360
Speaker 1: And it's got it starts, you know, we didn't say

2523
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:10,000
Speaker 1: this with with episode one. Episode one starts with another

2524
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:13,480
Speaker 1: beautiful Cassian speech when he's because he's he's infiltrating as

2525
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,880
Speaker 1: a tie fighter pilot this base where he's stealing an

2526
02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 1: experimental craft and there's a young woman there who's like

2527
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 1: a technician, who is his in right and who's clearly

2528
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:25,840
Speaker 1: just made her break with the Empire, and she like

2529
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:27,720
Speaker 1: meets him briefly. She's like, sorry, I know I'm not

2530
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:29,320
Speaker 1: supposed to look at you. I'm not supposed to talk

2531
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:30,920
Speaker 1: to you, and he like grabs me. He's like, no,

2532
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 1: this is what it's all about, is the moment of

2533
02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:37,040
Speaker 1: connection between us where we both after all of like

2534
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 1: this being frightened and alone in the dark, were together

2535
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:42,640
Speaker 1: and we know that we're doing something. This is what

2536
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:45,640
Speaker 1: every this is, This is everything.

2537
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:47,520
Speaker 3: And this is the moment you find yourself.

2538
02:13:47,160 --> 02:13:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, from yourself and this is an everything that

2539
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:51,640
Speaker 2: that That was the moment in this season where I

2540
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, so the people are it's still

2541
02:13:53,480 --> 02:13:55,560
Speaker 2: the same people. It's like these are people who are

2542
02:13:55,600 --> 02:13:57,920
Speaker 2: just of the left in a way that you don't

2543
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:00,600
Speaker 2: really ever see even with like old communists who are

2544
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:04,800
Speaker 2: writing stuff. It's like I have given this speech to people, yeah,

2545
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:07,480
Speaker 2: like dozens and dozens of times, like this is the

2546
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:09,280
Speaker 2: thing that if you do this work, Like you have

2547
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:12,760
Speaker 2: literally given this speech to a new person about like yeah, yeah,

2548
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:15,520
Speaker 2: like this is the reason where and like it's just

2549
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:17,640
Speaker 2: fucking I'm just like that mind is blown that this

2550
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 2: shit is just like appearing in mass media where people

2551
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,720
Speaker 2: who aren't from these movements are just like encountering this.

2552
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:26,600
Speaker 1: And the reason why again when I say and or

2553
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:31,960
Speaker 1: is like historically profitable after the first season. Every year afterwards,

2554
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:35,120
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, the number of people watching

2555
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:38,120
Speaker 1: it increased, which by which I mean each year after

2556
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:41,080
Speaker 1: it came out, more people watched it than had watched

2557
02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:43,040
Speaker 1: it in the year it came out. And that doesn't

2558
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:47,320
Speaker 1: happen to TV. Yeah, it simply is not how television works,

2559
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:50,760
Speaker 1: which is why Disney was like, here is a quarter

2560
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:53,520
Speaker 1: of a billion dollars make and or season two.

2561
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:55,600
Speaker 3: Man, this is the first time Star Wars has like

2562
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 3: visually looked good in like a decade.

2563
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, and it looks incredible.

2564
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:04,080
Speaker 2: It looks gorgeous, gorgeous.

2565
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 3: There's so many super long like tracking shots this season

2566
02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:10,960
Speaker 3: where they're going through like massive sets yea, with all

2567
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:13,960
Speaker 3: like like singular like one takes and like you know,

2568
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,880
Speaker 3: all the previous Star Wars shows are filmed on these

2569
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:19,440
Speaker 3: like digital sound stages with like you know, led screen backgrounds,

2570
02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:22,720
Speaker 3: but like you cannot achieve this level of like in

2571
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 3: real life like fidelity on like a digital background screen.

2572
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:29,560
Speaker 3: Like these are huge sets, Like specifically the Chandrilla set

2573
02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:33,120
Speaker 3: is like massive. As you walk around like modern mathma's

2574
02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:36,040
Speaker 3: like Senate estate or whatever for this for this Tradcath

2575
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 3: wedding that we'll talk more about in the next episode. Yeah,

2576
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:41,720
Speaker 3: just like, really really like excellent craftsmanship going into this.

2577
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, just beautiful. Okay, speaking of beautiful set design. All right,

2578
02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:57,840
Speaker 1: we're back.

2579
02:15:58,280 --> 02:16:02,720
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the nally of this little three episode arc.

2580
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:08,040
Speaker 3: Cassian's trying to contact Lutheran and learns that his friends

2581
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:10,920
Speaker 3: on the farming planet are actually being subject to some

2582
02:16:11,080 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 3: kind of imperial inspection. He's advised to not go there,

2583
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:16,240
Speaker 3: but of course he does anyway to check on his

2584
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:19,880
Speaker 3: friends as his Star Wars tradition a lah Luke skywalker.

2585
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:23,560
Speaker 3: In episode five, people on this planet are trying to

2586
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:28,360
Speaker 3: evade this inspection by forging emergency work orders, but their

2587
02:16:28,600 --> 02:16:32,240
Speaker 3: scheme falls apart. They might have been rated out by

2588
02:16:32,320 --> 02:16:36,240
Speaker 3: one of the top guys running the silo, and imperial

2589
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:40,280
Speaker 3: officers arrest and interrogate people for not having proper work visas.

2590
02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the people on this planet are Cassian's friends

2591
02:16:44,120 --> 02:16:46,360
Speaker 1: from season one who he lived with, like the guy

2592
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:48,600
Speaker 1: who was effectively his big brother, Brasso.

2593
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brasso, the guy who hits the cop with the

2594
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 3: brick in the finale season one.

2595
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:56,120
Speaker 1: Your goddamn righty, Brick's a cop And then Bicks, who

2596
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:59,200
Speaker 1: is his girlfriend partner type person kind of off and on,

2597
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:02,000
Speaker 1: and the because of her connections to him, gets horribly

2598
02:17:02,040 --> 02:17:03,280
Speaker 1: tortured in season one.

2599
02:17:03,520 --> 02:17:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as well as young terrorist Willem, who throws

2600
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:10,640
Speaker 3: a pipe bomb into a crowd of stormtroopers in the

2601
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:12,560
Speaker 3: finale of season one. So these three are in hiding

2602
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:15,520
Speaker 3: on this farm planet and are now in trouble because

2603
02:17:15,640 --> 02:17:21,280
Speaker 3: these Imperial Inspections and immigration officers are are on their tail.

2604
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:26,120
Speaker 3: On Triandrilla, Man Mathma talks to Luthen, who's there for

2605
02:17:26,120 --> 02:17:28,480
Speaker 3: for work because he's like he's like an he's like

2606
02:17:28,480 --> 02:17:31,959
Speaker 3: an artifact, like a dealer. But she tells Luthen that

2607
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 3: the guy that that they were working with to to

2608
02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:38,240
Speaker 3: help Man Mathma secretly fund the rebellion is showing some

2609
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:41,560
Speaker 3: erratic behavior and and and may and may need to

2610
02:17:41,560 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 3: be like, you know, bribed to keep quiet. Luthen, being

2611
02:17:46,040 --> 02:17:49,320
Speaker 3: smart and serious, knows that no, no, no, no no,

2612
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:52,360
Speaker 3: you cannot simply bribe this man into silence. This man

2613
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:55,160
Speaker 3: needs to get taken out right now. You need to

2614
02:17:55,240 --> 02:17:55,800
Speaker 3: close this.

2615
02:17:56,480 --> 02:18:00,879
Speaker 1: He brought in the cops like he brought in the

2616
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 1: fucking cops like he brought He has to die. That's

2617
02:18:04,560 --> 02:18:05,240
Speaker 1: the way these.

2618
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:08,920
Speaker 3: Threatening to snitched. This guy needs to get dealt with immediately.

2619
02:18:09,879 --> 02:18:12,080
Speaker 3: The other plot point that I don't think we'll have

2620
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:15,920
Speaker 3: much talk about but is very excellent. Our slimy weasel

2621
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:23,240
Speaker 3: Cyril Carn and his new abusive girlfriend Dedra have have

2622
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:28,000
Speaker 3: Cyril's wonderful mother over for dinner in just a fantastic,

2623
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:33,279
Speaker 3: fantastically uncomfortable seed In less happy occurrences, as the Imperial

2624
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:36,880
Speaker 3: officers investigate and search this farming planet, one of them

2625
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:42,080
Speaker 3: tries to sexually assault Bix inside their little r V home.

2626
02:18:42,520 --> 02:18:46,600
Speaker 3: Bix kills him, and eventually and Or arrives with a tie.

2627
02:18:46,640 --> 02:18:51,280
Speaker 3: Avenger takes out this this Imperial battalion and Bix and

2628
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:53,879
Speaker 3: and Or and the kid are able to escape, and

2629
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:59,560
Speaker 3: Brasso unfortunately dies in a in a high speed speeder chase.

2630
02:19:00,320 --> 02:19:02,520
Speaker 1: He dies. It's it's it's an under It's like a

2631
02:19:02,560 --> 02:19:06,200
Speaker 1: believable move. Someone would make it under fire. But like, man,

2632
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:09,720
Speaker 1: there's tall fucking grass. Just drop go to the ground,

2633
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 1: don't get on a motorbike. Well you're above the fucking crops. Like,

2634
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:16,040
Speaker 1: get on the ground, high stressful environment.

2635
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:20,439
Speaker 3: Right, It's it sucks, but it's but it's really people.

2636
02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:22,720
Speaker 1: Do stuff like that all the time in gunfights. Yes,

2637
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:24,840
Speaker 1: so it's it's one of those where I was like no,

2638
02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:29,600
Speaker 1: but also like, yep, that's what happens. Yeah.

2639
02:19:29,640 --> 02:19:32,320
Speaker 2: One of the things that isn't really being talked about

2640
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:33,920
Speaker 2: with the show, but I think it is actually is

2641
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:38,640
Speaker 2: very important, is that it is absolutely unflinching in its

2642
02:19:38,640 --> 02:19:41,120
Speaker 2: depiction of patriarchy. Like I mean there's you know, there's

2643
02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:45,640
Speaker 2: this sort of obvious, horrifying scene of like this ice guy.

2644
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, increasingly over over the course of this thing,

2645
02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:52,400
Speaker 2: like just going from like hey, if you like date me,

2646
02:19:52,879 --> 02:19:56,560
Speaker 2: you can not get deported because we have to maintain.

2647
02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:58,760
Speaker 3: The I know you're illegal, and that's fine.

2648
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:01,120
Speaker 1: We know we need a bun. We're not here to

2649
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:04,359
Speaker 1: arrest everyone, right because we need the crops from this planet.

2650
02:20:04,959 --> 02:20:07,320
Speaker 1: But I am going to arrest some people, and I

2651
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:09,840
Speaker 1: can make sure it's not you if you go on

2652
02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:11,440
Speaker 1: a quote unquote date with.

2653
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:13,240
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, and then you know, and it's just and

2654
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:16,000
Speaker 2: escalates from there and is just straight up like sexual assault, right,

2655
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:18,480
Speaker 2: And this is really really I mean obviously it's jarring

2656
02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:20,480
Speaker 2: because it's you know, like it's an non sconscript depiction

2657
02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:22,920
Speaker 2: of a tempt of sexual assault and then she like

2658
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:25,080
Speaker 2: does a fight and she kills them. Right, But this

2659
02:20:25,160 --> 02:20:26,960
Speaker 2: was also very very jarring to a lot of people

2660
02:20:26,959 --> 02:20:28,959
Speaker 2: because people are very and this is a Star Wars

2661
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:32,279
Speaker 2: thing too, they are very used to seeing fascism depicted

2662
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:33,640
Speaker 2: through its own self perception.

2663
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:34,120
Speaker 4: Right.

2664
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:36,560
Speaker 2: People are very very used to seeing fascism as something

2665
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:40,520
Speaker 2: that is strong, that is ordered, as discipline that is dangerous.

2666
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:44,200
Speaker 2: And the problem is the reality of fascism is that,

2667
02:20:44,280 --> 02:20:46,600
Speaker 2: like a lot of it is just a bunch of

2668
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:50,360
Speaker 2: tipshit rapists who are like pretending to be those guys. Yeah,

2669
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:51,920
Speaker 2: and you know, and this is one of the things

2670
02:20:51,959 --> 02:20:54,440
Speaker 2: Andrew has always been very very good at. Is you

2671
02:20:54,480 --> 02:20:56,960
Speaker 2: saw this last season right with with Dedra. Who is

2672
02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:59,240
Speaker 2: her thing is that she is, you know, of the

2673
02:20:59,320 --> 02:21:01,320
Speaker 2: very common amerror an archetype of the cop who breaks

2674
02:21:01,360 --> 02:21:03,440
Speaker 2: all the rules to get the job done. And then

2675
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, and then like that that's how she first

2676
02:21:05,240 --> 02:21:06,960
Speaker 2: is first introduced, and then you see what that actually

2677
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:09,000
Speaker 2: looks like in public, which is, you know, she is

2678
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:13,480
Speaker 2: just straight up torturing bis with like the screams of

2679
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:15,760
Speaker 2: an entire the death room of an entire species.

2680
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:17,840
Speaker 3: And that's in season one.

2681
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the season one And and what's powerful

2682
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:22,920
Speaker 2: about this is something and Or also does into the

2683
02:21:22,920 --> 02:21:27,120
Speaker 2: prison Break episodes is like this this fascist self perception,

2684
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:30,200
Speaker 2: right of this sort of strong ordered, discipline, unified thing

2685
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:32,840
Speaker 2: that is just propaganda. They are not actually like that

2686
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:37,320
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, right, It's just these fucking incredibly violent,

2687
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:41,039
Speaker 2: like petty losers doing this fucking shit. And then you know,

2688
02:21:41,080 --> 02:21:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing about about the sort of

2689
02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:44,160
Speaker 2: patriarchy side is that you see this on the other

2690
02:21:44,200 --> 02:21:46,560
Speaker 2: side with with mon Mathma's like, you know, her sort

2691
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:48,840
Speaker 2: of like money cleaner, who's who's what her old friend

2692
02:21:49,560 --> 02:21:52,680
Speaker 2: take Coleman like like literally is is demanding that like

2693
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:55,680
Speaker 2: Ma Mathma have sex with him in order for him

2694
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:58,800
Speaker 2: to keep keep doing this money washing shit. And this

2695
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:00,879
Speaker 2: is also something you see in bits all the time,

2696
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:04,160
Speaker 2: which is like guys with resources using their access to

2697
02:22:04,200 --> 02:22:07,119
Speaker 2: resources to force themselves on women, like in the movements

2698
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:08,720
Speaker 2: and this, and you know, and there's there's like a

2699
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:11,760
Speaker 2: third dynamic here with with take Homa, which is like

2700
02:22:11,879 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 2: another thing you see all the time in movements is

2701
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:17,200
Speaker 2: guy going through a divorce who goes completely off the

2702
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:21,240
Speaker 2: fucking rails and starts doing shit that dangers everyone and

2703
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, starts doing sort of like weird predatory shit,

2704
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:26,080
Speaker 2: and I think, I don't know, there just hasn't been

2705
02:22:26,120 --> 02:22:28,600
Speaker 2: much analysis of like, yeah, this is these are all

2706
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:32,640
Speaker 2: ways things like if you have been in movements, you

2707
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:35,080
Speaker 2: have experienced patriarchy in all of these ways, you have

2708
02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:39,120
Speaker 2: experienced cops doing shit to you, you have experienced stuff

2709
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:39,840
Speaker 2: from inside the movement.

2710
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 1: Fuck. A big part of how the major Greens organizations

2711
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:46,959
Speaker 1: that were dismantling the Green Scare were taken down was

2712
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:49,520
Speaker 1: through members of these different groups who had been doing

2713
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:53,480
Speaker 1: direct action who were misogynists. Right. That is always an easy,

2714
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:56,840
Speaker 1: easy way to break into and shatter a movement is

2715
02:22:56,920 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 1: find the guy who's got that going on about him

2716
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:00,240
Speaker 1: and turns.

2717
02:23:00,440 --> 02:23:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and you have that on one hand.

2718
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:03,600
Speaker 2: On the other hand, with like the cops, this is

2719
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:06,920
Speaker 2: like a very very common like cops just like sexually

2720
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:08,800
Speaker 2: assaulting people for fun. It's like a thing that they

2721
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:10,720
Speaker 2: do all the fucking time. And same thing with ice

2722
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:12,880
Speaker 2: because I mean this is obviously like I don't think

2723
02:23:12,879 --> 02:23:15,080
Speaker 2: it say like this, this is just literally one to one.

2724
02:23:15,240 --> 02:23:17,720
Speaker 2: They're doing ice raids and star wars. Yeah, and the

2725
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:20,959
Speaker 2: heroes are the people who like and or coming back

2726
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:24,680
Speaker 2: with a tie fighter blowing them up right, like you know, yeah,

2727
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:27,039
Speaker 2: Also I do want to someone landa know, I do

2728
02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 2: want to point out that like this show also quietly

2729
02:23:29,959 --> 02:23:32,600
Speaker 2: has had like the most realistic lesbian relationship in all

2730
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:33,119
Speaker 2: of Star.

2731
02:23:32,959 --> 02:23:37,920
Speaker 13: Wars, and this season is like, oh, someone on this

2732
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:41,279
Speaker 13: crew is a lesbian because they have depicted my culture perfectly,

2733
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:43,840
Speaker 13: which is uh the you know okay, so like the

2734
02:23:44,360 --> 02:23:46,720
Speaker 13: rich girl lesbian and the like broke.

2735
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:50,160
Speaker 2: Non white like gorilla lesbian who came from nothing, his

2736
02:23:50,200 --> 02:23:52,039
Speaker 2: family was killed by the Empire, get together as an

2737
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:55,120
Speaker 2: intense item dread in operation and then the moment the

2738
02:23:55,160 --> 02:23:57,879
Speaker 2: operation is over there broke girl was like, fuck, this

2739
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:00,680
Speaker 2: was a bad idea. And now they're keep running into

2740
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:04,280
Speaker 2: each other in movement things that are like they're sort

2741
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:06,880
Speaker 2: of avoiding each other, and one of them is still

2742
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:10,480
Speaker 2: the perfect in fiction to lesbian culture. Incredible, No notes

2743
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:13,840
Speaker 2: loved the lesbian rebels. I'm happy for them.

2744
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:19,800
Speaker 1: Oh incredible, Yeah, it's it's it's beautiful stuff. The quality

2745
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:22,640
Speaker 1: of the writing, like everyone was worried who loved or

2746
02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:25,560
Speaker 1: season one, like well fuck how could it? How could

2747
02:24:25,560 --> 02:24:29,080
Speaker 1: they possibly how could they possibly compare with season one?

2748
02:24:29,640 --> 02:24:34,680
Speaker 1: And uh, it's just getting better. It's just they did

2749
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:37,800
Speaker 1: it again somehow, you crazy bastards, You did it again.

2750
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:42,240
Speaker 2: The thing I want to close on was with this wedding,

2751
02:24:42,879 --> 02:24:45,520
Speaker 2: which is there's a bunch of really fascinating things about it.

2752
02:24:45,560 --> 02:24:48,160
Speaker 2: One is that, okay, so on the very nonsubtle level,

2753
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:51,000
Speaker 2: like they are cutting back and forth between everyone dancing

2754
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:53,560
Speaker 2: to this like sort of tech upbeat techno thing, like

2755
02:24:53,560 --> 02:24:56,240
Speaker 2: they're cutting back and forth between like mon Mothma dancing

2756
02:24:56,280 --> 02:24:58,480
Speaker 2: at this wedding, and like the ice raid that's happening,

2757
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:01,200
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, this is the level of

2758
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,120
Speaker 2: political subtlety that you need to be working on with

2759
02:25:03,160 --> 02:25:05,480
Speaker 2: the American people. You have to just be like I'm

2760
02:25:05,480 --> 02:25:07,240
Speaker 2: hammering you over the head with the point which is

2761
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:10,360
Speaker 2: like all of you motherfuckers are going to brunch and like, yeah,

2762
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:11,600
Speaker 2: the ice rays are happening.

2763
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:14,800
Speaker 3: Well, that is an aspect. I think it also proves

2764
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:17,760
Speaker 3: there you can operate in that zone because men Mouthma

2765
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:18,920
Speaker 3: is still a very important figure.

2766
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:23,839
Speaker 1: Yes, starting is not just a useless lib right, She's critical.

2767
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:26,000
Speaker 3: And you have someone like like Lucian who can put

2768
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:29,240
Speaker 3: on nice clothes, can can do this persona and extract

2769
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:31,200
Speaker 3: intel at this party. In one in one of the

2770
02:25:31,240 --> 02:25:33,920
Speaker 3: previous episodes, he's like talking with this guy who introduces

2771
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:36,280
Speaker 3: his son who is in the Imperial Navy, and he

2772
02:25:36,360 --> 02:25:38,040
Speaker 3: was talking about like like like a like a recent

2773
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:41,440
Speaker 3: operation on a planet, and Luten was like, oh, really

2774
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:44,000
Speaker 3: tell me more, and like it's like you can, you can.

2775
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:46,840
Speaker 3: You can still extract information at these like places where

2776
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:51,119
Speaker 3: power is like flaunted and exchanged. Yes, they are still bad.

2777
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:54,000
Speaker 3: But if you are like an aspiring rebel, yeah you

2778
02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 3: can use these places to your advantage. But no, there

2779
02:25:56,680 --> 02:26:00,200
Speaker 3: absolutely still is. This is this juxtaposition of yeah, this

2780
02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:04,640
Speaker 3: like you know, riotous party with with like this horrific

2781
02:26:04,680 --> 02:26:08,200
Speaker 3: ice raid and yeah, like the material conditions in these

2782
02:26:08,320 --> 02:26:11,520
Speaker 3: people's lives is very different. Even even if man Mathma's

2783
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:14,680
Speaker 3: doing good stuff still as like an Imperial senator, her

2784
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:17,480
Speaker 3: everyday life is very different to complete someone who's having

2785
02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:19,080
Speaker 3: to hide from like ice agents.

2786
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:19,520
Speaker 2: Now.

2787
02:26:19,720 --> 02:26:21,800
Speaker 1: The other thing though, that is going on in this scene.

2788
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:25,320
Speaker 1: It's not purely these are the wealthy partying as these

2789
02:26:25,400 --> 02:26:27,840
Speaker 1: nightmare raids go down. The other thing that's going on

2790
02:26:27,959 --> 02:26:31,040
Speaker 1: is mon Mathma is emotionally accepting this guy who was

2791
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:34,600
Speaker 1: my lover for a long time and who is a

2792
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:38,000
Speaker 1: dear friend of mine is going to be killed. And

2793
02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:40,920
Speaker 1: I have accepted the necessity. And the only thing for

2794
02:26:40,959 --> 02:26:42,680
Speaker 1: me to do right now is to get so drunk

2795
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:43,560
Speaker 1: that I can't feel it.

2796
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, is to do drugs, wreck drink. And that's how

2797
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:52,360
Speaker 3: you exist under like the horrific conditions that the Empire

2798
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:53,320
Speaker 3: forces you to live under.

2799
02:26:53,440 --> 02:26:53,680
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2800
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's this fascinating thing. And I know this

2801
02:26:57,520 --> 02:27:00,400
Speaker 2: especially watching back season one. If you look, if you

2802
02:27:00,400 --> 02:27:01,920
Speaker 2: go back and watch those scenes and you look at

2803
02:27:01,959 --> 02:27:03,600
Speaker 2: the way it's lit. You look at the way that

2804
02:27:03,640 --> 02:27:07,320
Speaker 2: there's just the stark like white light coming through the windows.

2805
02:27:07,360 --> 02:27:09,119
Speaker 2: This is not how it's lit in season one, right,

2806
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:11,720
Speaker 2: This is a very deliberate choice. Almost everyone else who

2807
02:27:11,800 --> 02:27:14,400
Speaker 2: does this scene would do this sort of like warm, rich,

2808
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:16,879
Speaker 2: like golden lighting, because that's like that's how you do

2809
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:20,000
Speaker 2: these sort of like fancy wedding things. And this the

2810
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:22,040
Speaker 2: way that it is lit is the same way that

2811
02:27:22,080 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 2: they're lighting all of the like like the stark white

2812
02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:27,080
Speaker 2: imperial corridors, and there's this very you know, and so

2813
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:29,000
Speaker 2: like like it's working on like all of these sort

2814
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:33,320
Speaker 2: of like levels of like like visual metaphor of of

2815
02:27:33,360 --> 02:27:35,480
Speaker 2: all of this, just like oh yeah, this is also

2816
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:39,760
Speaker 2: imperial space, right, and everyone here is operating either like

2817
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:42,240
Speaker 2: regardless of what side they're on, they're operating like in

2818
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:45,920
Speaker 2: imperial terrain in this sort of like thing. As Asma

2819
02:27:45,959 --> 02:27:48,279
Speaker 2: Motha also was just dealing with like her kid becoming

2820
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:50,480
Speaker 2: a tradcath and like trying to talk her kid out

2821
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:53,480
Speaker 2: of being a tradcath or a kid FU share at

2822
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:56,080
Speaker 2: her for being like, hey, maybe you shouldn't do this

2823
02:27:56,200 --> 02:27:58,320
Speaker 2: like weird marriage thing when you're like.

2824
02:27:58,280 --> 02:27:59,960
Speaker 3: A chire like twelve year old marriage.

2825
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the place I want

2826
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:04,720
Speaker 2: to end on is there was a really interesting thing

2827
02:28:04,760 --> 02:28:09,080
Speaker 2: where like the Disney account like just posted a video

2828
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:10,680
Speaker 2: like I think it was on Twitter that was just

2829
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:14,120
Speaker 2: one the like one hour of Mathmaed dancing. Yeah, And

2830
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:17,679
Speaker 2: there was like a fascinating reaction to this of like

2831
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:19,240
Speaker 2: like cause on the one hand, there's always people like

2832
02:28:19,240 --> 02:28:22,959
Speaker 2: who I know, Victoria Zeller, who's a trans writer, who

2833
02:28:22,959 --> 02:28:24,400
Speaker 2: I follow, who up probably we're talking to on the

2834
02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:26,400
Speaker 2: show at some point soon I had this thing, but

2835
02:28:26,440 --> 02:28:28,160
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, like there are also there's just gonna

2836
02:28:28,200 --> 02:28:30,879
Speaker 2: be weddings that are like based on this Chandulaine wedding thing,

2837
02:28:30,879 --> 02:28:32,840
Speaker 2: and like in like two or three years, we're gonna

2838
02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:35,360
Speaker 2: be seeing this And there's just interesting dynamic where like

2839
02:28:35,360 --> 02:28:37,240
Speaker 2: on the one hand you have the people who were

2840
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:40,080
Speaker 2: just completely focused on the aesthetic, and then the other hand

2841
02:28:40,120 --> 02:28:41,720
Speaker 2: you have the people who were like, oh yeah, I

2842
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:45,039
Speaker 2: like this is this is fucking me getting just absolutely

2843
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:48,800
Speaker 2: fucked up as like all of the fucking horrors play

2844
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:50,880
Speaker 2: out around us and having to like deal with and

2845
02:28:50,920 --> 02:28:52,680
Speaker 2: fight all the fucking horrors, while like all of the

2846
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:56,240
Speaker 2: people around me are just like kind of just completely

2847
02:28:56,320 --> 02:28:57,280
Speaker 2: checked out.

2848
02:28:57,440 --> 02:29:00,040
Speaker 1: And I thought it was just like fascinating.

2849
02:28:59,480 --> 02:29:02,039
Speaker 2: Watching that's to play out on social media and on

2850
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:06,440
Speaker 2: in real life like this. You know, they're being very

2851
02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:09,520
Speaker 2: very literal about how it works, and it's working.

2852
02:29:09,640 --> 02:29:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm seeing people do it.

2853
02:29:10,760 --> 02:29:10,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2854
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:14,600
Speaker 3: The last thing I do want to mention is just

2855
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:17,800
Speaker 3: a big shout out to Cyril, to Cyril Karn's Italian

2856
02:29:17,879 --> 02:29:18,440
Speaker 3: Jewish mother.

2857
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, the best, the best villain in Star Wars,

2858
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:26,800
Speaker 1: Darth Vader ain't got shit.

2859
02:29:27,080 --> 02:29:29,520
Speaker 3: Not nearly as scary as Cerrel Krn's other No.

2860
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:32,160
Speaker 1: I would take him in a fight over her any day.

2861
02:29:32,879 --> 02:29:36,080
Speaker 3: How However, one of the interesting parts about this little

2862
02:29:36,080 --> 02:29:39,400
Speaker 3: like like dinner party is how Cyril Krn's like FBI

2863
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:43,240
Speaker 3: agent abusive girlfriend. The moment Cyril is out of the room,

2864
02:29:43,640 --> 02:29:47,120
Speaker 3: she like takes control of this mother, using like all

2865
02:29:47,160 --> 02:29:52,320
Speaker 3: of her like imperial interrogation and like intimidation tactics, and

2866
02:29:52,320 --> 02:29:54,320
Speaker 3: it's like, no, no, no, you don't understand how this

2867
02:29:54,400 --> 02:29:56,600
Speaker 3: relationship is going to go. I am in charge here.

2868
02:29:56,680 --> 02:30:00,040
Speaker 3: I will dictate when Cyril can see you, how I

2869
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:03,120
Speaker 3: will dictate how your relationship with your son is going

2870
02:30:03,160 --> 02:30:05,879
Speaker 3: to go, because like Cyril is like my like pet,

2871
02:30:06,080 --> 02:30:09,520
Speaker 3: like I run everything and things will go according to

2872
02:30:09,560 --> 02:30:10,240
Speaker 3: my wishes.

2873
02:30:10,480 --> 02:30:13,240
Speaker 1: See. I had a very different interpretation of that really,

2874
02:30:13,360 --> 02:30:16,040
Speaker 1: because number one, she is not on board she's going

2875
02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:20,000
Speaker 1: to be doing part of the Gorman genocide. She doesn't

2876
02:30:20,120 --> 02:30:22,520
Speaker 1: like the plan. She doesn't like that she's involved. This

2877
02:30:22,600 --> 02:30:24,000
Speaker 1: is not what she wants to be doing. She wants

2878
02:30:24,040 --> 02:30:26,280
Speaker 1: to be hunting Luther. Yes, I agreed, And I think

2879
02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:28,720
Speaker 1: part of it is that she doesn't like and I

2880
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:31,840
Speaker 1: think this will become increasingly clear. She's not thrilled that

2881
02:30:31,879 --> 02:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Cyril's going to get involved in this shit because it's

2882
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:37,400
Speaker 1: dangerous what I thought they were kind of showing we've

2883
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:40,000
Speaker 1: been seeing her like abuse him. I don't think we've

2884
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:43,120
Speaker 1: seen her be mean to him other than like initially

2885
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:45,119
Speaker 1: when that before they were dating, she didn't take him

2886
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:46,840
Speaker 1: seriously until she saved her life.

2887
02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:50,440
Speaker 3: Well, I know, he's like a weird stalker beforehand.

2888
02:30:50,520 --> 02:30:52,039
Speaker 1: He is a little bit of a stock and.

2889
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:54,760
Speaker 3: She is, like I think you can absolutely interpret some

2890
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:57,440
Speaker 3: of some of her behaviors as like a degree of

2891
02:30:57,480 --> 02:30:58,000
Speaker 3: like emotionally.

2892
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Abu says, it's not just a couple before their dating.

2893
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know fascist for fascist couple. I

2894
02:31:04,760 --> 02:31:07,360
Speaker 3: think there's elements and including like the earlier scene of

2895
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:09,920
Speaker 3: them in the apartment, where like both of them are

2896
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:11,760
Speaker 3: like very uncomfortable around each other.

2897
02:31:12,480 --> 02:31:16,400
Speaker 1: They're awkward people, but like they're I one of the

2898
02:31:16,440 --> 02:31:19,280
Speaker 1: things I appreciated about this is that, like she is

2899
02:31:19,320 --> 02:31:23,119
Speaker 1: a monster. We see her doing exclusively evil things. And

2900
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:26,680
Speaker 1: then Cyril, because his mom is so cruel to him,

2901
02:31:26,760 --> 02:31:29,400
Speaker 1: does the most relatable thing anyone does in this show

2902
02:31:29,480 --> 02:31:31,440
Speaker 1: and goes and lies down on his bed and has

2903
02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:34,119
Speaker 1: a panic attack in the middle of their dinner. And

2904
02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:37,240
Speaker 1: that's when she and that's when she says look, bitch,

2905
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:40,320
Speaker 1: this is how shit's and she's being a good girlfriend

2906
02:31:40,320 --> 02:31:42,119
Speaker 1: in that moment, she's getting his mom off his back.

2907
02:31:42,160 --> 02:31:45,360
Speaker 3: I definitely interpret this scene differently. She did also threaten

2908
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:51,440
Speaker 3: to arrest his uncle, like she does threaten to send

2909
02:31:51,440 --> 02:31:54,840
Speaker 3: his uncle to forever jail. Yeah, no, I can see

2910
02:31:54,840 --> 02:31:56,480
Speaker 3: how you would read it that way. I think I

2911
02:31:56,520 --> 02:31:59,720
Speaker 3: definitely do interpret this scene a little bit differently, And

2912
02:31:59,800 --> 02:32:01,879
Speaker 3: I I think the beauty of good writing is this

2913
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,120
Speaker 3: ability to look at this relationship in multiple ways.

2914
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:07,160
Speaker 1: What I like about the way The Empire is written

2915
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:09,800
Speaker 1: is that they're not caricatures, but not in a way

2916
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:12,120
Speaker 1: where they're being like, well, the Empire's got a point,

2917
02:32:12,120 --> 02:32:14,720
Speaker 1: but in the way that like, yeah, these are people,

2918
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:17,760
Speaker 1: and I understand how folks, why folks would want to

2919
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:20,960
Speaker 1: be a part of this system outside of just like

2920
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:24,640
Speaker 1: the cruelty that it does. Like Partigaz, who is like

2921
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:27,959
Speaker 1: the leader of the ISB section that we're watching, is

2922
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:31,680
Speaker 1: a really good boss. He listens to his subordinates, he

2923
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:34,120
Speaker 1: tells them when their ideas suck. He does not spare

2924
02:32:34,200 --> 02:32:38,840
Speaker 1: their feelings, but he's he rewards initiative and he's willing

2925
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:42,520
Speaker 1: to like be proven wrong or argued with like when

2926
02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:45,039
Speaker 1: people are forceful against him and make a good point,

2927
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:47,120
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, well let's try it. And I

2928
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:49,480
Speaker 1: love showcasing that in the same way that like, if

2929
02:32:49,520 --> 02:32:51,880
Speaker 1: you talk to people who worked for like work for

2930
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:54,520
Speaker 1: companies like Raytheon, they'll be like, yeah, it was a

2931
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:57,160
Speaker 1: nightmare evil that we were making, and like a very

2932
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:00,920
Speaker 1: healthy working environment. And that is often the case with

2933
02:33:01,360 --> 02:33:04,200
Speaker 1: some of the most evil organizations on the planet, Like

2934
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:08,039
Speaker 1: people who are very good at managing people often wind

2935
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:12,120
Speaker 1: up like That's what makes fascist systems so dangerous. It's

2936
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:14,600
Speaker 1: not that everyone in this is incompetent. It's that there

2937
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:18,080
Speaker 1: are sometimes people who are very good organizers and very

2938
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:21,960
Speaker 1: competent leaders who wind up in these systems, and that's

2939
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:23,920
Speaker 1: part of what allows the evil to happen.

2940
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:25,920
Speaker 2: The point of Android, the point of Star Wars is

2941
02:33:25,959 --> 02:33:28,720
Speaker 2: that also you could out organize them and beat them.

2942
02:33:29,280 --> 02:33:31,480
Speaker 2: So message of hope.

2943
02:33:31,400 --> 02:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean fundamentally the show is very hopeful

2944
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:37,760
Speaker 1: because the empire number one, we know the empire falls,

2945
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:41,920
Speaker 1: but number two we're seeing we're seeing like why right,

2946
02:33:42,000 --> 02:33:46,760
Speaker 1: which is this attempt to control everything that inevitably creates

2947
02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:48,960
Speaker 1: more fires than you can put out. Yeah.

2948
02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:51,920
Speaker 3: The tighter they hold their grip, the more systems will

2949
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:55,000
Speaker 3: slip through their fingers. Yeah, yep, which is the line

2950
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:56,800
Speaker 3: from the theory twink in season one.

2951
02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:57,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2952
02:33:57,400 --> 02:33:59,240
Speaker 3: And I think what makes Androws some specials is this

2953
02:33:59,560 --> 02:34:02,680
Speaker 3: does fill in this gap of like when we jump

2954
02:34:02,720 --> 02:34:04,440
Speaker 3: into like a new hope, you have this fully like

2955
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:06,960
Speaker 3: complete like rebel alliance, right it is. It is an

2956
02:34:06,959 --> 02:34:09,440
Speaker 3: alliance of different rebel cells that have come together to

2957
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,720
Speaker 3: do like like a large scale military action. It takes

2958
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:14,560
Speaker 3: a lot of build up to get an alliance of

2959
02:34:14,600 --> 02:34:17,720
Speaker 3: rebel cells, a whole bunch of like individual like rebel

2960
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:20,680
Speaker 3: terrast cells have usually have a very hard time working

2961
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:22,800
Speaker 3: with each other. Yes, and it's very hard forget them

2962
02:34:22,840 --> 02:34:26,119
Speaker 3: to coordinate. And and Or is the story of watching

2963
02:34:26,200 --> 02:34:30,080
Speaker 3: these like many different cells slowly start to figure out

2964
02:34:30,120 --> 02:34:32,120
Speaker 3: that maybe it would make more sense if we work

2965
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:35,520
Speaker 3: together instead of just doing random small crimes and like

2966
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:40,359
Speaker 3: hits on individual planets or imperial processing plants. The ability

2967
02:34:40,400 --> 02:34:43,320
Speaker 3: to see these cells come together is what makes I

2968
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:45,680
Speaker 3: think and Or so special. And And for the rest

2969
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:48,040
Speaker 3: of the season, We're going to move forward a year

2970
02:34:48,120 --> 02:34:49,800
Speaker 3: at a time all the way up to the beginning

2971
02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:52,600
Speaker 3: of rogue where then we do have the like the

2972
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:56,120
Speaker 3: completed rebel alliance. So I am I'm excited to watch

2973
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:57,039
Speaker 3: that development.

2974
02:34:57,120 --> 02:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, well see you next week. This is it, sorry,

2975
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:29,040
Speaker 1: Garrison in you.

2976
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:31,600
Speaker 3: It's we have a whole thing that we've been doing.

2977
02:35:31,720 --> 02:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Happen we have been.

2978
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:36,880
Speaker 3: This is the first episode that started differently in like twelve.

2979
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:38,800
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. Why don't you why don't you

2980
02:35:38,840 --> 02:35:41,560
Speaker 1: introduce erectile dysfunction or whatever we call this?

2981
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:44,560
Speaker 3: That's not what it's called. This is it could happen here.

2982
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:49,320
Speaker 3: Executive Disorder, the weekly newscast where we cover, you know,

2983
02:35:49,440 --> 02:35:52,080
Speaker 3: everything happening in the White House, the crumbling world, and

2984
02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:54,440
Speaker 3: what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined

2985
02:35:54,440 --> 02:35:59,480
Speaker 3: by Federal No No New Mexico, State.

2986
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:02,240
Speaker 1: Magis Mexico, Municipal Judge.

2987
02:36:01,959 --> 02:36:07,160
Speaker 3: Municipal Judge, Robert Evans. That's right, Neil Long and James Stout.

2988
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:11,120
Speaker 3: We're recovering the week of April twenty fourth to April thirtieth.

2989
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Yes, and we're sponsored by Hymns. Not yet, but hopefully.

2990
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:17,560
Speaker 9: When they release THEMS, we will we will accept that

2991
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:19,280
Speaker 9: contract money one day.

2992
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:23,359
Speaker 3: Robert, what's going on? With your fellow judges.

2993
02:36:23,480 --> 02:36:25,360
Speaker 1: I want to get to that garrison. Some very important

2994
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Speaker 1: news just dropped from the real raw news Twitter account.

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Speaker 1: Oh boys, sharing what you don't want shared one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seven thousand followers. Special forces that accompanied President Trump

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Speaker 1: to the Pope's funeral arrested Biden for treason afterward, but

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Speaker 1: it turned out to be a body double.

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Speaker 14: So breaking news turns out breaking us. Joe still has

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Speaker 14: a trigger two up his sleep. Patriots not in control.

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Speaker 3: What a beautiful world people must live.

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Speaker 1: I desperately want to lift in the world where like

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a Saga Rara type rebel figure, like

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Speaker 1: tricking special forces with body doubles, hiding in the mountains.

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Speaker 5: They called him Joe the Jackal for a reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he locked up in a Vatican vaults where he's

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Speaker 3: scheming his return.

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Speaker 1: He just stolen nuke from Fort Leonard Wood.

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Speaker 9: Oh boy, he's in a tiny submarine making its way

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Speaker 9: to keep it right.

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Speaker 3: Now, I guess you know, speaking of the Pope, But

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Speaker 3: Trump himself has announced his running for the pope ship paper.

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Speaker 1: Why not let him have it. Let him have it.

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Speaker 3: We will keep a close eye on that.

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Speaker 1: Let him have it. But make Stanley Tucci do whatever

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Speaker 1: job Stanley Tucci had in conclave.

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Speaker 3: Make him the lib A cuck cardinal why not?

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, speaking of lib No, speaking of

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Speaker 1: judges who actually exercised a great deal of personal courage.

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Speaker 1: There have been two cases in the last week or

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Speaker 1: so of judges being arrested and charged by the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration with crimes that are all related to aiding and

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Speaker 1: abetting undocumented immigrants. Right, yeah, I'm going to start with

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Speaker 1: the case of Hannah Dugan. Hannah Dugan is is a

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin She's a Milwaukee County Circuit judge. She was sworn

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Speaker 1: in in twenty sixteen. So she's I wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say she hasn't been doing this very long,

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Speaker 1: but no, that's literally like nine years, eight or nine years,

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Speaker 1: so she's been doing this a spell. She's sixty five

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Speaker 1: years old. And on March twelfth, there was a fellow

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Speaker 1: Flora's Ruiz is his last name, He's thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: who was arrested after basically there was a confrontation between

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Speaker 1: him and his roommates for him playing loud music. He

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Speaker 1: was confronted for this on March twelfth, and he allegedly

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Speaker 1: fought with a male roommate in the kitchen. A woman

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if she was a roommate or just there,

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Speaker 1: tried to break them up. Two women eventually did. One

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Speaker 1: of them got elbowed in the arm, allegedly by Flores Ruiz.

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Speaker 1: One of them was struck while trying to break them up.

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Speaker 1: It is unclear to the degree to which I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: a lot of people like I went to the centrist

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Speaker 1: subreddit to season they're like, well, a serial abuser of women.

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Speaker 1: That's not really what he's being accused of. There's like

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Speaker 1: a fight between him and another guy, and it got chaotic.

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Speaker 1: One person elbowed in the arm. I'm sorry, I don't

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Speaker 1: consider that serious domestic abuse unless it's part of a pattern.

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Speaker 1: If it's literally he was fighting a guy and other

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Speaker 1: people swarmed in and some of them one of them

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Speaker 1: got elbowed. I don't know about this woman that he's

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Speaker 1: alleged of striking. To what degree did he haul off

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Speaker 1: and punch he or was it again, there was this

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Speaker 1: chaotic struggle and several people got struck in the middle

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Speaker 1: of it. Right, this isn't like great, but this is

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Speaker 1: certainly not. The evidence that has been provided by the

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Speaker 1: state here in this case is not that this is

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Speaker 1: a serial domestic abuser of women. It's a guy who

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Speaker 1: was involved in a chaotic fight with a roommate and

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Speaker 1: a couple of other people. Right, So he's being charged

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Speaker 1: with misdemeanor domestic battery as a result of this. He

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Speaker 1: faces up to nine months in prison and a ten

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine on each count if convicted, and he

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Speaker 1: has not been convicted and is innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 1: So he went up in front of Judge Dugan literally

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Speaker 1: a few days ago when we record this, and while

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Speaker 1: she was in the midst of like having this like

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Speaker 1: court meeting. Basically, I think this was kind of like

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Speaker 1: a pre trial deal right where they're where they're kind

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Speaker 1: of like setting the ground rules of things. She finds

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Speaker 1: out that Ice is in the courthouse and that they

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Speaker 1: are looking for Flores Ruiz, and so she gets really

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Speaker 1: angry because based on what Wisconsin has stated, like the

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Speaker 1: actual like law in the state, they are not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be interfering in actual court proceedings. And part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why is that the courts don't want people

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Speaker 1: to be dissuaded from dealing with their state level court

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Speaker 1: issues by the fact that Ice might pick them up. Right,

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Speaker 1: It will stop people, It will make people go on

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Speaker 1: the run. It makes it very difficult to enforce law

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Speaker 1: and order.

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Speaker 9: And it also think victims, right, Like I've said, at

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Speaker 9: least to have some makes it difficult.

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Speaker 1: For victims to get any sort of justice. Yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The FBI FI David describes her as getting visibly angry

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Speaker 1: when Immigration shows up and she leaves the bench, right,

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Speaker 1: and she retreats to her chambers and I think confers

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Speaker 1: with another judge, and she and that judge then approached

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Speaker 1: the arrest team inside the court courthouse. The affidavit describes

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Speaker 1: her as having a confrontational, angry demeanor. She basically keeps saying,

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Speaker 1: show me a fucking warrant, right, And they don't have

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Speaker 1: a quote unquote real warrant, right, They do not have

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Speaker 1: a criminal arrest warrant. They have an administrative warrant, which,

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Speaker 1: based on the actual law, they do not. She does

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Speaker 1: not have to let them in, right, That is not

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Speaker 1: the way these things fucking work right into the courtroom

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Speaker 1: to like interrupt the proceedings. On the strength of this warrant.

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Speaker 1: She tells them to speak with the chief judge, and

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Speaker 1: she leads them away from the courtroom. Right. Once she

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Speaker 1: sends them to the chief Judge's office, this is where

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Speaker 1: the thing that may in fact be criminal behavior comes in.

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Speaker 1: Dugan goes back into the courtroom and says something along

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Speaker 1: the lines of weight, come with me, and then takes

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Speaker 1: Flora's Ruiz and his lawyer through the jury door into

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Speaker 1: a non public area of the courthouse. Right, this is

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Speaker 1: not normal behavior. And Ice is alleging that this is

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Speaker 1: interfering with the duties of federal agents. Right, that she's

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Speaker 1: basically hiding an undocumented immigrant who is being actively tracked

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Speaker 1: by Ice, right, and that that is a federal crime.

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Speaker 1: And so that is the situation. Right when it was

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Speaker 1: found out that this was happening, the FBI and ICE

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Speaker 1: arrested her. She has since bailed out. She is facing

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Speaker 1: several federal charges, and it's, you know, kind of unclear

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Speaker 1: where this case is going to go. In terms of

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Speaker 1: her initial behavior, she was absolutely legally in the right

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Speaker 1: that administrative warrant did not give Ice the right to

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Speaker 1: interrupt the court proceedings. She led them to the chief

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Speaker 1: judge that was all entirely within the law. We're going

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Speaker 1: to learn how the law adjudicates what she did afterwards, right,

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Speaker 1: taking these people through, because it's not illegal to lead

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Speaker 1: people through a backdoor. It's not a crime to tell

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Speaker 1: people to leave this way. But what may be adjudicated

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Speaker 1: as a crime is that by doing this, she was

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Speaker 1: helping to aid in a bet the escape of a fugitive. Right,

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Speaker 1: And that is the argument that the federal government is

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Speaker 1: making here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they didn't leave the building at that point, right,

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Speaker 9: because in the charging documents, then an ice agent gets

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Speaker 9: in the elevator with them, yeah, and decides not to

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Speaker 9: detain them at that point for some reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I believe that's what happened. And that part

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Speaker 1: of is why I think they picked this case, because

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Speaker 1: they thought it was close enough on the edge enough

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Speaker 1: that they could charge a judge. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is the purpose of this more than going after this,

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Speaker 1: And that's why they've been going to these courtses. They

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Speaker 1: have been looking, they've been shopping for a situation like this, right,

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Speaker 1: And part because one of the first things that happened

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Speaker 1: is the Wisconsin Supreme Court suspended Judge Dugan right because

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Speaker 1: She's been charged with two federal counts, and this is

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Speaker 1: a normal thing. If a judge gets accused of federal crimes,

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Speaker 1: you would, in normal terms, want them to be suspended

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Speaker 1: because those crimes are probably something like they were selling

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Speaker 1: children to a child prison, which is a thing that

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Speaker 1: happened to Trump. Pardon the judges responsible, right, you would

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Speaker 1: want those people not trying cases while this was going on.

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Speaker 1: But what's going to be done here, and what's already

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Speaker 1: being done here, is that judges that are friendly to

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Speaker 1: and sympathetic to undocumented people and who are not gigantic

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Speaker 1: pieces of shit. And Judge Dugan comes out of a

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Speaker 1: public defense background. This is somebody who defended people like

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Speaker 1: the defendant in this case in her previous life as

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Speaker 1: a lawyer, and I think acted with tremendous courage in

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Speaker 1: this situation to try to protect somebody. They are going

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Speaker 1: after her because number one, they want to chill other

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Speaker 1: judges from doing this, and number two, they can keep

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Speaker 1: her off the bench right and assume she will be

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Speaker 1: replaced with somebody worse, or that they will just clog

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Speaker 1: up the system, either way of which works in their favor.

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Speaker 1: So it will be unclear how things are going to

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Speaker 1: work out in this case. I can't tell you legally

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. That could go either way. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you, and I think this is a very

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Speaker 1: important point. It's a point Jared Yate Sexton, who's a

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Speaker 1: scholar on fascism, made online about this particular case, is

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't give a shit if she broke the law.

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Speaker 1: She did the right thing. These people are doing the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing and they need to be stopped right And

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Speaker 1: that is my overall stance. What she did was heroic

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Speaker 1: and we should support her and fuck these people. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, yep, yep. I don't have a complicated

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Speaker 1: take on this.

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Speaker 3: Solidarity with the Wisconsin judiciary or at least one of them.

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Speaker 3: At least one of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a friend who knows her and says

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Speaker 1: she's a very nice person, and her actions in this

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Speaker 1: case certainly would seem to suggest that she's a very nice,

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Speaker 1: good courageous person.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and like just to there's conceivably like a person

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Speaker 9: listening who thinks that I know, these deportation things are okay.

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Speaker 1: I know if you are, fuck you, why this isn't

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Speaker 1: for you? Go away?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we don't make it. You know what, you

3183
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Speaker 1: put rocks in your pockets and yeah, there's bodies of it.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the.

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Speaker 9: Even if you fucking like the deportation for whatever reason,

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02:45:49,920 --> 02:45:52,520
Speaker 9: you should be able to understand that doing this in

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Speaker 9: court houses is bad. Like if a let's just take

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Speaker 9: an example, right, Like, if a woman who is undocumented

3189
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Speaker 9: is subc to domestic violence, right, going to testifying court

3190
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Speaker 9: could lead to her being deported, Like, this is fucking bad.

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Speaker 3: It could subject her to even more violence from the

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Speaker 3: state from yet wherever she's trying to flee from, yeah.

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Speaker 5: To being detained with people, yeah, yes, if you believe

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Speaker 5: in the judicial system, right like, this stops it functioning.

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Speaker 1: Also, I want to say this too, if you're purely

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Speaker 1: coming at this from a perspective of like, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: still a law and order guy, this also vastly endangers

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin police because if every undocumented person who gets accused

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Speaker 1: of a crime knows that, well, the instant I'm accused,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be sent to a fucking concentration camp,

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Speaker 1: might as well start shooting, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's why you don't see very many of these

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Speaker 3: things happening in states where people regularly carry firearms.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so again you know that's all I'm saying. No,

3205
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Speaker 1: that's not my primary concern, but I'm going to make

3206
02:46:52,680 --> 02:46:53,199
Speaker 1: that point.

3207
02:46:53,400 --> 02:46:53,800
Speaker 12: Yeah.

3208
02:46:53,959 --> 02:46:56,880
Speaker 3: What about the other like weirder case of the New

3209
02:46:56,879 --> 02:46:58,680
Speaker 3: Mexico case, the judge in New Mexico.

3210
02:46:58,840 --> 02:47:02,199
Speaker 1: Yes, so now back to my fellow New Mexico municipal judge.

3211
02:47:02,360 --> 02:47:05,720
Speaker 1: Actually I think he was in a missige yeah, county magistrate. Yeah,

3212
02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:08,520
Speaker 1: so he and I basically the same. So there's this

3213
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:11,400
Speaker 1: guy Nancy Cano who's a former police officer, his wife

3214
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:14,040
Speaker 1: was a cop. And Joel Cano, who is the Donna

3215
02:47:14,040 --> 02:47:19,600
Speaker 1: Anna County magistrate judge. These two are really you wouldn't

3216
02:47:19,640 --> 02:47:22,200
Speaker 1: have expected what happened from this group. These two are

3217
02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:23,679
Speaker 1: a cop and a judge.

3218
02:47:23,360 --> 02:47:25,439
Speaker 3: Couple radical lefty lunatics.

3219
02:47:25,520 --> 02:47:28,959
Speaker 1: There are wealthy landlords who own at least eight properties

3220
02:47:29,400 --> 02:47:32,360
Speaker 1: and they hire three men to do like you know,

3221
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:37,080
Speaker 1: contracting work. And those men included a guy, Christian Ortega

3222
02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Lopez twenty three years old, right, who is a Venezuelan migrant.

3223
02:47:42,200 --> 02:47:45,720
Speaker 1: And first off, because these are cops or a cop

3224
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:48,959
Speaker 1: and a judge, they like check his papers which saved,

3225
02:47:49,240 --> 02:47:51,760
Speaker 1: do not deport right like he is in the the

3226
02:47:51,879 --> 02:47:55,400
Speaker 1: system not subject. This person is not subject to removal. Right,

3227
02:47:55,480 --> 02:47:58,160
Speaker 1: those are on his papers. They check his papers. They

3228
02:47:58,200 --> 02:48:00,280
Speaker 1: work for these three guys, work for them for a

3229
02:48:00,280 --> 02:48:04,080
Speaker 1: while and develop a close relationship with the Canos to

3230
02:48:04,120 --> 02:48:06,440
Speaker 1: the point that they refer to them as the boys.

3231
02:48:06,840 --> 02:48:09,040
Speaker 1: And when they get kicked out of their apartment, they

3232
02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:13,000
Speaker 1: let them live with them, I think for free or

3233
02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:16,600
Speaker 1: at least for a nominal fee. And as they describe it,

3234
02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:19,040
Speaker 1: they came to consider them part of the family. And

3235
02:48:19,080 --> 02:48:22,320
Speaker 1: there's like photo evidence of that, including photo evidence of

3236
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:24,520
Speaker 1: them like going to the gun range together as like

3237
02:48:24,560 --> 02:48:27,960
Speaker 1: a family day at the gun range and shooting, and

3238
02:48:28,160 --> 02:48:30,960
Speaker 1: like this guy Artago Lopez like posts pictures of these

3239
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:33,640
Speaker 1: people and these like family outings on his Facebook, Like

3240
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:36,840
Speaker 1: they really do seem to have all been very close. Yeah,

3241
02:48:37,440 --> 02:48:40,880
Speaker 1: earlier this year, Ice comes for these guys, the boys,

3242
02:48:40,920 --> 02:48:43,360
Speaker 1: these three dudes who are living on their property, in

3243
02:48:43,400 --> 02:48:47,080
Speaker 1: a small guest house on the Canos property, and they

3244
02:48:47,160 --> 02:48:49,800
Speaker 1: allege or Tega Ortiz to have been a member of

3245
02:48:49,879 --> 02:48:52,879
Speaker 1: trind Agua. And it's based on and I hate most

3246
02:48:52,879 --> 02:48:55,120
Speaker 1: of the reporting on this because it's all just like

3247
02:48:55,280 --> 02:48:59,080
Speaker 1: the alleged alleged gang member alleged trind to Agua member.

3248
02:48:59,120 --> 02:49:01,160
Speaker 1: And you look at it, well, well, he has tattoos,

3249
02:49:01,160 --> 02:49:03,440
Speaker 1: and there's pictures of him with guns, pictures him with

3250
02:49:03,480 --> 02:49:07,160
Speaker 1: guns that are legally owned by Americans at a gun range.

3251
02:49:07,280 --> 02:49:10,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's a twenty three year old guy coming to America.

3252
02:49:10,280 --> 02:49:13,800
Speaker 9: Like there's a high correlation with those people and people.

3253
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:16,800
Speaker 1: Going to a gun range. Yeah, nothing illegal with that,

3254
02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:19,400
Speaker 1: but they're like a gang member. Photos of guns on

3255
02:49:19,440 --> 02:49:23,600
Speaker 1: his Facebook. Oh my god. So these guys get arrested, right,

3256
02:49:23,720 --> 02:49:26,400
Speaker 1: and it's initially and this is like a month or

3257
02:49:26,400 --> 02:49:29,280
Speaker 1: so ago. It's a big scandal. Canos resigns from his

3258
02:49:29,320 --> 02:49:33,360
Speaker 1: position as a magistrate, right and gets permanently barret serving

3259
02:49:33,440 --> 02:49:36,240
Speaker 1: as a judge in New Mexico because these guys had

3260
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:38,879
Speaker 1: been on his property, even though again there's not any

3261
02:49:38,920 --> 02:49:40,879
Speaker 1: evidence that I have seen anywhere that he actually did

3262
02:49:40,879 --> 02:49:43,760
Speaker 1: anything illegal. At this point. Now, yeah, here's where things

3263
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:47,760
Speaker 1: get problematic. At this point, the boys are being you know,

3264
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:51,360
Speaker 1: the government is treating them as people who are here

3265
02:49:51,360 --> 02:49:53,400
Speaker 1: I legally, and they are trying to kick them out

3266
02:49:53,440 --> 02:49:55,840
Speaker 1: and they are accusing them, these three guys of being

3267
02:49:55,840 --> 02:50:00,760
Speaker 1: evolved in Trindagua. At this point, Nancy Kno provides them

3268
02:50:00,760 --> 02:50:03,520
Speaker 1: with legal assistance in complying with the procedures of their

3269
02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:08,640
Speaker 1: pending immigration cases, right, which shouldn't be illegal. She's literally

3270
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:10,160
Speaker 1: helping them abide by the law.

3271
02:50:10,480 --> 02:50:10,680
Speaker 2: Right.

3272
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:13,400
Speaker 1: But there's some other things, So Joel Cano, this is

3273
02:50:13,400 --> 02:50:16,360
Speaker 1: where this guy turns from like fucking married a cop,

3274
02:50:16,480 --> 02:50:20,240
Speaker 1: he's a landlord. He smashes or take a Lopez's phone.

3275
02:50:20,520 --> 02:50:22,560
Speaker 1: He admits, he's admitted that he's done this. This is

3276
02:50:22,600 --> 02:50:25,959
Speaker 1: not an allegation with a hammer to stop Ice from

3277
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:33,439
Speaker 1: getting it. So, first off, based illegal, super illegal, super illegal,

3278
02:50:34,040 --> 02:50:40,960
Speaker 1: but not a like a good person act, I would argue. Secondly,

3279
02:50:41,720 --> 02:50:44,000
Speaker 1: Nancy tries to help, and this is I think a

3280
02:50:44,040 --> 02:50:47,080
Speaker 1: grayer area. Tries to help Ortago Lopez delete his Facebook account,

3281
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:49,200
Speaker 1: and I don't actually think there's any evidence of him

3282
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:51,080
Speaker 1: doing anything illegal on there. I think it's just they

3283
02:50:51,160 --> 02:50:54,200
Speaker 1: knew the photos he'd posted of him not breaking any

3284
02:50:54,280 --> 02:50:56,560
Speaker 1: laws would be used as an argument that he had

3285
02:50:57,080 --> 02:51:00,240
Speaker 1: I think that that's defensible in court, although they will

3286
02:51:00,280 --> 02:51:02,240
Speaker 1: allege that it's destruction of the evidence, they may win

3287
02:51:02,280 --> 02:51:05,640
Speaker 1: on that breaking the phone is. You know, that's going

3288
02:51:05,720 --> 02:51:07,320
Speaker 1: to be a tough one for them. That's just going

3289
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:09,360
Speaker 1: to be a tough one for them. Now the knos

3290
02:51:09,400 --> 02:51:12,320
Speaker 1: are currently being charged and they have been released. They

3291
02:51:12,320 --> 02:51:15,760
Speaker 1: can't leave the county. There was the prosecutors were attempting

3292
02:51:15,800 --> 02:51:18,560
Speaker 1: to have them separated so that they couldn't talk about

3293
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:20,480
Speaker 1: the case. But thank god the judge ruling was like,

3294
02:51:20,760 --> 02:51:24,520
Speaker 1: they're married, they have a constitutional right to be together.

3295
02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:28,039
Speaker 1: You don't get to do that. But obviously they have

3296
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:30,120
Speaker 1: to like hand in their passports any guns they'd had,

3297
02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:32,720
Speaker 1: which they seem to have already done. The good news

3298
02:51:32,760 --> 02:51:35,080
Speaker 1: is that these are rich people, right, Like the judge

3299
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:36,880
Speaker 1: even makes a comment that, like, these are the wealthiest

3300
02:51:36,879 --> 02:51:39,440
Speaker 1: people I've ever had in my courtroom, So they have

3301
02:51:39,560 --> 02:51:44,840
Speaker 1: the resources to fight this. And again fucking politics making

3302
02:51:44,879 --> 02:51:46,040
Speaker 1: strange bedfellows.

3303
02:51:46,680 --> 02:51:46,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

3304
02:51:47,000 --> 02:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, critical support to the landlord, judge, cop couple who

3305
02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:55,959
Speaker 1: tried to protect these EMM grits. I don't know, like whatever,

3306
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:58,279
Speaker 1: they did the right thing, you know, in my opinion,

3307
02:51:58,320 --> 02:52:02,959
Speaker 1: again not the legal thing, and I'm not urging you

3308
02:52:03,040 --> 02:52:04,920
Speaker 1: to follow them and breaking the law, making very clear

3309
02:52:04,959 --> 02:52:07,480
Speaker 1: it is illegal to break the phone of somebody that

3310
02:52:07,560 --> 02:52:09,560
Speaker 1: you know the police are looking for because they've been

3311
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:12,200
Speaker 1: charged with crimes. That is a crime. I'm just saying

3312
02:52:12,200 --> 02:52:15,320
Speaker 1: I think what they did was out of love and brave. Anyway,

3313
02:52:15,640 --> 02:52:16,760
Speaker 1: That's what I gotta say.

3314
02:52:17,800 --> 02:52:33,400
Speaker 3: Speaking of love, I love these ads. All Right, we

3315
02:52:33,480 --> 02:52:36,720
Speaker 3: are back. I am now going to discuss a I

3316
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:40,000
Speaker 3: believe the word is a flurry of executive orders that

3317
02:52:40,440 --> 02:52:44,880
Speaker 3: half in the past week, because there was a ton

3318
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:48,920
Speaker 3: This was a huge week for actions through through through

3319
02:52:48,920 --> 02:52:52,080
Speaker 3: executive order. We've tried to summarize a few of these

3320
02:52:52,120 --> 02:52:53,959
Speaker 3: that have like or a few orders that have come

3321
02:52:53,959 --> 02:52:56,520
Speaker 3: in the past few months, but but yeah, definitely the

3322
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:58,560
Speaker 3: ones that happened last week are much more notable, and

3323
02:52:58,600 --> 02:53:01,080
Speaker 3: I will go through them one by one. Starting off

3324
02:53:01,120 --> 02:53:04,800
Speaker 3: with an attempt to possibly repeal large sections of the

3325
02:53:04,840 --> 02:53:08,800
Speaker 3: Civil Rights Act, Trump side in order to quote eliminate

3326
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:13,080
Speaker 3: the use of disparate impact liability in all contexts to

3327
02:53:13,160 --> 02:53:17,840
Speaker 3: the maximum degree possible. Disparate impact is a legal theory

3328
02:53:17,879 --> 02:53:20,800
Speaker 3: that seeks to address discriminatory policies that, on their face

3329
02:53:20,879 --> 02:53:25,959
Speaker 3: may appear neutral but actually continue decades old discrimination and segregation.

3330
02:53:26,840 --> 02:53:29,920
Speaker 3: This order from Trump provokes presidential approval for Title six

3331
02:53:29,959 --> 02:53:33,520
Speaker 3: antidiscrimination regulations from the sixties and seventies, and orders all

3332
02:53:33,560 --> 02:53:37,520
Speaker 3: agencies to quote deprioritize enforcement of all statutes and regulations

3333
02:53:37,560 --> 02:53:41,920
Speaker 3: to the extent that they include disparate impact liability. The

3334
02:53:42,040 --> 02:53:45,000
Speaker 3: order calls for the Attorney General to quote initiate appropriate

3335
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:48,440
Speaker 3: action to repeal or amend the implementing regulations for Title

3336
02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:52,240
Speaker 3: six the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Cabinet

3337
02:53:52,280 --> 02:53:56,440
Speaker 3: members were also instructed to review all pending investigations, civil suits,

3338
02:53:56,800 --> 02:54:01,160
Speaker 3: consent judgments, permanent injunctions, and government positions rely on spared

3339
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:04,920
Speaker 3: impact theory. That includes Titles seven and eight of the

3340
02:54:04,959 --> 02:54:09,359
Speaker 3: Civil Rights Act, which protects equal employment and fair housing.

3341
02:54:10,400 --> 02:54:12,120
Speaker 3: This is kind of part of a larger attack on

3342
02:54:12,320 --> 02:54:15,440
Speaker 3: civil rights in general, like obviously the past few months,

3343
02:54:15,480 --> 02:54:18,560
Speaker 3: who've seen this with like DEI stuff. But last week

3344
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:23,039
Speaker 3: the DOJ essentially closed its existing civil Rights office, resigned

3345
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:27,320
Speaker 3: a dozen senior career attorneys, curbed investigations into police misconduct

3346
02:54:27,360 --> 02:54:31,320
Speaker 3: and violations of voting and disability rights. Plus, the Education

3347
02:54:31,400 --> 02:54:35,279
Speaker 3: at Discrimination Division is now being directed to protect women's sports,

3348
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:39,160
Speaker 3: and the Immigrant and Employee Rights Division was told to

3349
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:43,760
Speaker 3: investigate companies that quote unlawfully discriminate against US workers in

3350
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:48,160
Speaker 3: favor of foreign visa workers unquote. So that's how they

3351
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:50,440
Speaker 3: think they're going to be defending civil rights is by

3352
02:54:50,920 --> 02:54:54,480
Speaker 3: keeping trans girls out of sports and going after foreign

3353
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:57,640
Speaker 3: visa workers. Basically, they're trying to turn federal civil rights

3354
02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:00,720
Speaker 3: infrastructure against those whom they were meant to to protect

3355
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:04,120
Speaker 3: in the first place. The next order kind of outlies

3356
02:55:04,120 --> 02:55:08,080
Speaker 3: something I'm calling cop Nation. It's called quote strengthening and

3357
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:13,200
Speaker 3: unleashing America's law enforcement to pursue criminals and protect innocent civilians.

3358
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:17,560
Speaker 3: This is kind of like a proto martial law order.

3359
02:55:17,640 --> 02:55:21,120
Speaker 3: It's what you would do beforehand to strengthen police, but

3360
02:55:21,200 --> 02:55:24,640
Speaker 3: not actually like declare martial law. It's setting kind of

3361
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:27,600
Speaker 3: the path towards that, or at the very least like

3362
02:55:27,640 --> 02:55:30,320
Speaker 3: strengthening law enforcement to the degree to which it like

3363
02:55:30,400 --> 02:55:32,360
Speaker 3: butts up against what martial law would be.

3364
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:33,800
Speaker 2: The order calls to.

3365
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:38,199
Speaker 3: Quote unleash high impact local police forces, protect and defend

3366
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:41,760
Speaker 3: law enforcement officers wrongly accused and abused by state or

3367
02:55:41,760 --> 02:55:46,600
Speaker 3: local officials, and surge resources to officers in need unquote.

3368
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:49,480
Speaker 3: It directs the Attorney General to create a mechanism to

3369
02:55:49,560 --> 02:55:53,039
Speaker 3: have private sector law firms provide pro bono legal defense

3370
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:57,280
Speaker 3: to police officers who quote unjustly incur expenses and liabilities

3371
02:55:57,280 --> 02:56:00,600
Speaker 3: for actions taken during the performance of their official duties

3372
02:56:00,600 --> 02:56:03,879
Speaker 3: to enforce the law. So this tries to make it

3373
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:06,119
Speaker 3: harder for police to be held accountable for a civil

3374
02:56:06,200 --> 02:56:12,560
Speaker 3: and criminal misconduct, basically extending qualified immunity to the criminal realm.

3375
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:17,440
Speaker 3: According to Business Insider, quote, following previous executive orders targeting

3376
02:56:17,440 --> 02:56:19,960
Speaker 3: a number of elite firms, nine law firms have agreed

3377
02:56:20,120 --> 02:56:22,960
Speaker 3: to deals with the President and collectively agreed to provide

3378
02:56:23,240 --> 02:56:26,680
Speaker 3: nine hundred and forty million in pro bono legal services

3379
02:56:26,680 --> 02:56:31,640
Speaker 3: to support the President's policies. This order also calls to

3380
02:56:32,160 --> 02:56:35,840
Speaker 3: use federal resources to increase pay, expand training, and strengthen

3381
02:56:35,879 --> 02:56:39,039
Speaker 3: legal protections for police officers, as well as to quote

3382
02:56:39,360 --> 02:56:43,120
Speaker 3: seek enhanced sentences for crimes against law enforcement officers, promote

3383
02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:46,360
Speaker 3: investment in the security capacity of prisons, and increase the

3384
02:56:46,440 --> 02:56:50,480
Speaker 3: investment in and collection, distribution and uniformity of crime data

3385
02:56:50,520 --> 02:56:55,039
Speaker 3: across jurisdictions. The Attorney General is directed to review and

3386
02:56:55,160 --> 02:56:58,680
Speaker 3: remove any previous accountability restrictions placed on to local or

3387
02:56:58,720 --> 02:57:02,520
Speaker 3: state law enforcement agencies that might unduly impede the performance

3388
02:57:02,600 --> 02:57:07,280
Speaker 3: of law enforcement functions. And then, finally, quote, Attorney General

3389
02:57:07,320 --> 02:57:09,880
Speaker 3: and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary

3390
02:57:09,920 --> 02:57:12,760
Speaker 3: of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate,

3391
02:57:12,959 --> 02:57:16,440
Speaker 3: shall increase the provision of excess military and national security

3392
02:57:16,480 --> 02:57:19,960
Speaker 3: assets in local jurisdictions to assist state and local law enforcement.

3393
02:57:20,240 --> 02:57:24,080
Speaker 3: And shall determine how military and national security assets, training,

3394
02:57:24,440 --> 02:57:27,920
Speaker 3: non lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized

3395
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:32,280
Speaker 3: to prevent crime unquote, so moving more national security resources

3396
02:57:32,360 --> 02:57:35,480
Speaker 3: over to state and local law enforcement, and directs the

3397
02:57:35,600 --> 02:57:38,880
Speaker 3: ag to go after state and local officials that struckt

3398
02:57:38,959 --> 02:57:42,279
Speaker 3: criminal law by quote, prohibiting law enforcement officers from carrying

3399
02:57:42,280 --> 02:57:46,360
Speaker 3: out duties necessary for public safety or unlawfully engage in

3400
02:57:46,520 --> 02:57:50,400
Speaker 3: discrimination or civil rights violations under the guise of DEI

3401
02:57:51,760 --> 02:57:54,600
Speaker 3: do you want to discuss anything with this you know,

3402
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:58,560
Speaker 3: anti ACAB executive order here and what it might actually

3403
02:57:58,560 --> 02:58:01,000
Speaker 3: like do in reality besides you know, expanding like legal

3404
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:01,920
Speaker 3: protections for cops.

3405
02:58:02,520 --> 02:58:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the worrying one to me is

3406
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:07,920
Speaker 2: that they're very explicitly talking about using military national security

3407
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:11,800
Speaker 2: assets like in the US against Americans, and the thing

3408
02:58:11,840 --> 02:58:13,520
Speaker 2: right now we are doing is like to prevent crime.

3409
02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:15,280
Speaker 2: But like I think, very obviously everyone is look at

3410
02:58:15,280 --> 02:58:17,360
Speaker 2: this is immediately gone. Like part of this obviously is

3411
02:58:17,400 --> 02:58:20,879
Speaker 2: about like trying to defeat any attempt to even moderately

3412
02:58:20,879 --> 02:58:22,560
Speaker 2: reform the police, but a lot of it is also like, yeah,

3413
02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:25,520
Speaker 2: they're expecting giant they're expecting giant protests this summer. Yeah,

3414
02:58:25,560 --> 02:58:27,720
Speaker 2: and they want to be able to use military assets here.

3415
02:58:27,720 --> 02:58:30,560
Speaker 2: And what they're doing with this, the Secretary of Defense

3416
02:58:31,240 --> 02:58:35,160
Speaker 2: is developing a plan to use military assets like presumably

3417
02:58:35,200 --> 02:58:38,120
Speaker 2: against protesters either that or you know what I mean,

3418
02:58:38,120 --> 02:58:40,080
Speaker 2: Like cercific thing here is like used to prevent crime,

3419
02:58:40,080 --> 02:58:42,520
Speaker 2: which is just like the deployment of the US military

3420
02:58:42,600 --> 02:58:47,000
Speaker 2: against like US Right, that's I think a pretty cut

3421
02:58:47,000 --> 02:58:49,800
Speaker 2: in dry. They are developing the apparatus through which they

3422
02:58:49,800 --> 02:58:52,640
Speaker 2: are going to attempt to deploy the army against the

3423
02:58:52,959 --> 02:58:54,080
Speaker 2: US citizens in the US.

3424
02:58:54,440 --> 02:58:57,600
Speaker 3: Well, and it's also specifically like empowers like individual police

3425
02:58:57,640 --> 02:59:01,800
Speaker 3: officers against any like received restrictions that like local or

3426
02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:04,160
Speaker 3: state officials might be putting on them. Yeah, And I

3427
02:59:04,160 --> 02:59:06,560
Speaker 3: think that's what makes it more super worrying for me.

3428
02:59:06,600 --> 02:59:09,080
Speaker 3: It's like it's like enabling like the police state aspect

3429
02:59:09,160 --> 02:59:11,920
Speaker 3: of like of the of the executive branch saying, hey,

3430
02:59:11,959 --> 02:59:15,199
Speaker 3: like individual cops, we support you more so than whatever

3431
02:59:15,240 --> 02:59:18,240
Speaker 3: like local jurisdiction you are like under. And if if

3432
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:20,960
Speaker 3: the local jurisdictions start to like restrict your ability to

3433
02:59:21,080 --> 02:59:24,440
Speaker 3: like to to to do violence, restrict your ability to

3434
02:59:24,480 --> 02:59:26,560
Speaker 3: do your job, we are going to help you to

3435
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:29,119
Speaker 3: make sure that you have the legal and like physical

3436
02:59:29,400 --> 02:59:32,480
Speaker 3: capacity to continue your job as you see fit.

3437
02:59:32,600 --> 02:59:34,720
Speaker 1: We will throw the high dollar lawyers that we have

3438
02:59:34,840 --> 02:59:40,440
Speaker 1: threatened into working for us at these states and municipalities.

3439
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, both to like defend your individual actions and then

3440
02:59:43,120 --> 02:59:46,080
Speaker 3: also go after the people in charge of you, like

3441
02:59:45,720 --> 02:59:46,760
Speaker 3: like like both of them.

3442
02:59:47,320 --> 02:59:47,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

3443
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:52,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's more like CPD black site shit, like yeah,

3444
02:59:52,160 --> 02:59:56,000
Speaker 2: Nazi gang shit, like you know them just like shooting people. Yeah,

3445
02:59:56,040 --> 02:59:56,959
Speaker 2: Like that's the kind of shit.

3446
02:59:57,240 --> 03:00:00,240
Speaker 9: The torture the data sharing, I think is something people

3447
03:00:00,280 --> 03:00:03,560
Speaker 9: should be aware of. The Like that seem to be

3448
03:00:03,840 --> 03:00:05,879
Speaker 9: what I would imagine we'll be funding for more federal

3449
03:00:05,920 --> 03:00:08,680
Speaker 9: fusion centers and then equipping them with like home land

3450
03:00:08,720 --> 03:00:13,040
Speaker 9: security assets, intelligence assets that are already used outside the US.

3451
03:00:13,240 --> 03:00:16,720
Speaker 9: Like that is concerning especially in a climate of like

3452
03:00:17,240 --> 03:00:21,800
Speaker 9: migration crackdown, right, Like this data sharing will help them

3453
03:00:21,800 --> 03:00:23,360
Speaker 9: further target migrants well.

3454
03:00:23,600 --> 03:00:27,160
Speaker 3: And this relates to another executive order for protecting American

3455
03:00:27,160 --> 03:00:31,720
Speaker 3: communities from criminal aliens. Basically, it targets sanctuary cities. The

3456
03:00:31,760 --> 03:00:34,640
Speaker 3: Attorney General and the DHS Secretary will publish a list

3457
03:00:34,680 --> 03:00:38,359
Speaker 3: of sanctuary jurisdictions that obstruct the enforcement of federal immigration

3458
03:00:38,480 --> 03:00:42,000
Speaker 3: law and federal funds. Those districts will be suspended or terminated,

3459
03:00:42,360 --> 03:00:45,600
Speaker 3: and if those districts remain sanctuary districts after officials have

3460
03:00:45,640 --> 03:00:49,520
Speaker 3: been notified of their status, then necessary legal remedies and

3461
03:00:49,640 --> 03:00:54,080
Speaker 3: enforcement measures shall be pursued to quote end these violations.

3462
03:00:54,840 --> 03:00:58,080
Speaker 3: Section one of this order lists several federal criminal laws

3463
03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:01,000
Speaker 3: that they say are being violated by these sanctuary districts,

3464
03:01:01,080 --> 03:01:04,600
Speaker 3: including quote obstruction of justice on lawfully harboring or hiring

3465
03:01:04,640 --> 03:01:08,080
Speaker 3: illegal aliens, conspiracy against the United States, and conspiracy to

3466
03:01:08,200 --> 03:01:12,760
Speaker 3: impede federal law enforcement. Assisting aliens in violating federal immigration

3467
03:01:12,840 --> 03:01:16,920
Speaker 3: law could also violate the Racketeer, Influenced and Corrupt Organizations

3468
03:01:16,959 --> 03:01:20,200
Speaker 3: Act unquote, So they're even rapid and rico here for

3469
03:01:20,480 --> 03:01:23,359
Speaker 3: state and local officials who are trying to protect immigrants

3470
03:01:23,400 --> 03:01:26,240
Speaker 3: in their communities. There's a few other executive orders I

3471
03:01:26,280 --> 03:01:29,600
Speaker 3: want to mention, including one that requires professional truck drivers

3472
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:33,680
Speaker 3: speak English. I think this is actually just to mask

3473
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:36,480
Speaker 3: the consequences of like the tariffs, with the.

3474
03:01:36,400 --> 03:01:39,119
Speaker 1: Fact that a lot of truck drivers are losing their jobs.

3475
03:01:39,240 --> 03:01:41,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so this is to like hide those layoffs

3476
03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:43,040
Speaker 3: or trying to force people to get laid off if

3477
03:01:43,040 --> 03:01:45,000
Speaker 3: they don't speak good enough English, or to like to

3478
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:48,640
Speaker 3: create pretext to have these layoffs be justified as we see,

3479
03:01:48,680 --> 03:01:51,279
Speaker 3: you know, the shipping industry slowly collapse because of the tariffs.

3480
03:01:51,640 --> 03:01:54,240
Speaker 3: Another order that's just more frustrating, I guess to me

3481
03:01:54,440 --> 03:01:57,320
Speaker 3: and like worrying long term about the future is quote

3482
03:01:57,520 --> 03:02:02,440
Speaker 3: advancing Artificial Intelligence Education for American youth. And I'm actually

3483
03:02:02,440 --> 03:02:05,640
Speaker 3: going to play a video here of Trump's signing this order.

3484
03:02:07,240 --> 03:02:11,720
Speaker 4: This next executive order relates to artificial intelligence educations. There,

3485
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:16,279
Speaker 4: you've obviously done a lot in the artificial intelligence space already.

3486
03:02:17,040 --> 03:02:19,640
Speaker 4: The basic idea of this executive order is to ensure

3487
03:02:19,720 --> 03:02:23,440
Speaker 4: that we properly train the workforce of the future by

3488
03:02:23,560 --> 03:02:27,840
Speaker 4: ensuring that school children, young Americans are adequately trained in

3489
03:02:27,879 --> 03:02:29,600
Speaker 4: AI tools so that they can be.

3490
03:02:29,600 --> 03:02:32,160
Speaker 1: Competitive in the economy.

3491
03:02:31,920 --> 03:02:34,520
Speaker 4: Years from now into the future as AI becomes a

3492
03:02:34,560 --> 03:02:35,520
Speaker 4: bigger and bigger deal.

3493
03:02:35,680 --> 03:02:38,840
Speaker 6: That's a big deal. US AI is where it seems

3494
03:02:38,879 --> 03:02:43,000
Speaker 6: to be at. We have literally trillions of dollars being

3495
03:02:43,040 --> 03:02:47,920
Speaker 6: invested in AI, and there are some money today. Very

3496
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:51,400
Speaker 6: smart person said that AI is the way to the future.

3497
03:02:51,440 --> 03:02:53,240
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's right or not, but certainly

3498
03:02:53,720 --> 03:02:55,879
Speaker 6: very smart people are investing in it heavily.

3499
03:02:58,680 --> 03:03:00,880
Speaker 3: This clip is super interesting to be he said, demonstrates

3500
03:03:00,959 --> 03:03:03,200
Speaker 3: just how little Trump knows what's really going on. Like

3501
03:03:03,240 --> 03:03:04,960
Speaker 3: this is the first time he's seen this order. He

3502
03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:06,400
Speaker 3: has to get explained to what it is before he

3503
03:03:06,440 --> 03:03:08,720
Speaker 3: signs his name on it. They're just handing him these

3504
03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:12,400
Speaker 3: things and he's just signing papers. He is not like

3505
03:03:12,480 --> 03:03:15,520
Speaker 3: dictating which things he actually wants to happen. He just

3506
03:03:15,520 --> 03:03:17,720
Speaker 3: gets handed stuff and there's cameras on. He's like, hey,

3507
03:03:17,720 --> 03:03:20,880
Speaker 3: this is to help AI with kids, and you're so

3508
03:03:20,879 --> 03:03:23,080
Speaker 3: smart about AI, mister President. He's like, yes, I am.

3509
03:03:23,160 --> 03:03:25,800
Speaker 3: As he signs his name. The actual text disorder is

3510
03:03:25,959 --> 03:03:29,840
Speaker 3: really freaky. Quote. By fostering AI competency, we will equip

3511
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:32,720
Speaker 3: our students with the foundational knowledge and skills necessary to

3512
03:03:32,760 --> 03:03:36,480
Speaker 3: adapt and thrive in an increasing digital society. Early learning

3513
03:03:36,480 --> 03:03:39,240
Speaker 3: and exposure to AI concepts not only demestifies this powerful

3514
03:03:39,280 --> 03:03:42,600
Speaker 3: technology but also sparks curiosity and creativity, preparing students to

3515
03:03:42,600 --> 03:03:45,680
Speaker 3: become active and responsible participants in the workforce of the future.

3516
03:03:45,879 --> 03:03:48,080
Speaker 3: To achieve this vision, we must also invest in our

3517
03:03:48,200 --> 03:03:50,720
Speaker 3: educators and equip them with the tools and knowledge to

3518
03:03:50,760 --> 03:03:53,760
Speaker 3: not only train students about AI, but also to utilize

3519
03:03:53,760 --> 03:03:59,240
Speaker 3: AI in their classrooms to improve educational outcomes. Unquote James,

3520
03:03:59,240 --> 03:04:00,960
Speaker 3: how do you feel about that at a as a

3521
03:04:00,959 --> 03:04:03,000
Speaker 3: as an educator yourself.

3522
03:04:03,680 --> 03:04:07,840
Speaker 9: Probably fifty percent of my time in the classroom right

3523
03:04:07,879 --> 03:04:10,160
Speaker 9: now is trying to explain to people where they shouldn't

3524
03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:15,200
Speaker 9: copy paste the assignment into chat GPD And like every

3525
03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:17,959
Speaker 9: year for the past three or four years, we have

3526
03:04:18,040 --> 03:04:21,480
Speaker 9: dealt with like bots, like students in my class who

3527
03:04:21,480 --> 03:04:24,480
Speaker 9: are not real people. I've dealt with more and more

3528
03:04:24,520 --> 03:04:29,039
Speaker 9: and more use of AI. It's from people who I think,

3529
03:04:29,640 --> 03:04:31,560
Speaker 9: like the folks who are coming through my classroom now,

3530
03:04:31,600 --> 03:04:33,959
Speaker 9: like many of their like high school years when they

3531
03:04:33,959 --> 03:04:38,400
Speaker 9: should have been getting good solid like writing tuition work

3532
03:04:38,520 --> 03:04:41,800
Speaker 9: during COVID lockdowns, right and so like. I'm not entirely

3533
03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:44,320
Speaker 9: blaming like the folks coming through my class here, but

3534
03:04:44,760 --> 03:04:47,560
Speaker 9: it is it's a fuck situation. That's only getting worse.

3535
03:04:47,640 --> 03:04:48,200
Speaker 1: It's fucked.

3536
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Speaker 9: It's the like I've been educating people for nearly two

3537
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:56,520
Speaker 9: decades and like I've never come across anything this bad.

3538
03:04:57,240 --> 03:05:01,400
Speaker 9: It is fundamentally damaging people's engagement with education and their

3539
03:05:01,440 --> 03:05:02,400
Speaker 9: ability to learn.

3540
03:05:02,520 --> 03:05:05,640
Speaker 1: It's giving them permanent brain damage. It is life altering

3541
03:05:05,680 --> 03:05:08,200
Speaker 1: their ability to think and in a way that may

3542
03:05:08,240 --> 03:05:11,360
Speaker 1: never be recoverable for a lot of people. Yeah, I

3543
03:05:11,360 --> 03:05:15,040
Speaker 1: don't want to be a boomer. There's data on this.

3544
03:05:15,160 --> 03:05:18,200
Speaker 1: The AI companies have. Microsoft has data on this. It

3545
03:05:18,280 --> 03:05:20,760
Speaker 1: damages people. It needs to.

3546
03:05:20,680 --> 03:05:25,280
Speaker 9: Be finding good solutions for that. Writing assignments AI can't

3547
03:05:25,400 --> 03:05:28,119
Speaker 9: write like it's not that hard. But before people come

3548
03:05:28,120 --> 03:05:30,080
Speaker 9: into my mentions right saying like, oh you can use

3549
03:05:30,120 --> 03:05:32,040
Speaker 9: this to detect AI. I can detect it because the

3550
03:05:32,080 --> 03:05:36,039
Speaker 9: assignments it submits a shit. The problem is that people

3551
03:05:36,160 --> 03:05:40,240
Speaker 9: keep using it, like because it's Roberts said that, they're

3552
03:05:40,560 --> 03:05:42,199
Speaker 9: running out of other options, right.

3553
03:05:42,360 --> 03:05:44,240
Speaker 3: And they're like really committing to this. The end of

3554
03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:47,280
Speaker 3: the order directs the Secretary of Education to provide grant

3555
03:05:47,320 --> 03:05:51,560
Speaker 3: funding to quote improve educational outcomes using AI, including but

3556
03:05:51,600 --> 03:05:55,840
Speaker 3: not limited to AI based high quality instructional resources, high

3557
03:05:55,879 --> 03:06:00,960
Speaker 3: impact tutoring and college and career pathway exploration advises and navigation.

3558
03:06:02,600 --> 03:06:05,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean sadly like these federal and to extend

3559
03:06:05,959 --> 03:06:09,280
Speaker 9: state level too, Like dictats, I guess do impact what

3560
03:06:09,320 --> 03:06:12,040
Speaker 9: you're supposed to put on your syllabus, right, Like, especially

3561
03:06:12,320 --> 03:06:16,720
Speaker 9: for like high school students, these can genuinely impact what

3562
03:06:17,520 --> 03:06:20,640
Speaker 9: high school teachers are supposed to teach. It changes a

3563
03:06:20,680 --> 03:06:23,160
Speaker 9: little bit like once you get to the university level.

3564
03:06:23,840 --> 03:06:26,039
Speaker 9: And I guess we'll we'll see how this goes. But

3565
03:06:26,120 --> 03:06:29,040
Speaker 9: like this, this genuinely could have a very damaging impact

3566
03:06:29,080 --> 03:06:31,440
Speaker 9: on and it already has had a damaging impact on

3567
03:06:31,440 --> 03:06:32,640
Speaker 9: the US education system.

3568
03:06:33,080 --> 03:06:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have one more thing I want to read here.

3569
03:06:36,280 --> 03:06:40,680
Speaker 3: This is actually a presidential memorandum, not an executive order,

3570
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:44,360
Speaker 3: but this cause to investigate Democrat and grassroots funding platform

3571
03:06:44,480 --> 03:06:48,240
Speaker 3: Act Blue, a legend quote schemes to launder excessive and

3572
03:06:48,280 --> 03:06:52,280
Speaker 3: prohibited contributions to political candidates and committees quote. Actlue has

3573
03:06:52,320 --> 03:06:54,879
Speaker 3: been the target of conspiracy theories for years, starting with

3574
03:06:54,920 --> 03:06:58,080
Speaker 3: James o'keef and Elon Musk has recently targeted Act Blue

3575
03:06:58,120 --> 03:07:02,480
Speaker 3: with with bizarre theories on how Act Blue functions and

3576
03:07:02,560 --> 03:07:05,680
Speaker 3: is used to funnel money to like Antifa, and and

3577
03:07:06,360 --> 03:07:09,120
Speaker 3: you know, George Soros money get getting moved over to

3578
03:07:09,280 --> 03:07:13,760
Speaker 3: all of these you know, Tesla Vandal's crazy stuff. But specifically,

3579
03:07:14,080 --> 03:07:16,879
Speaker 3: Trump is calling the Attorney General and Treasury Secretary to

3580
03:07:16,959 --> 03:07:20,840
Speaker 3: quote investigate allegations regarding the unlawful use of online fundraising

3581
03:07:20,840 --> 03:07:24,720
Speaker 3: platforms to make straw or dummy contributions or foreign contributions

3582
03:07:24,720 --> 03:07:27,480
Speaker 3: to political candidates and committees, and to take appropriate action

3583
03:07:27,560 --> 03:07:30,800
Speaker 3: to enforce the law unquote. I think this whole thing

3584
03:07:30,959 --> 03:07:33,840
Speaker 3: beyond trying to you know, harm the Democrats' ability to

3585
03:07:33,879 --> 03:07:35,879
Speaker 3: like win elections in the future as a form of

3586
03:07:36,000 --> 03:07:39,279
Speaker 3: collection meddling is also just like a spig smoke screen

3587
03:07:39,320 --> 03:07:43,080
Speaker 3: away from a CNN investigation last year into deceptive practices

3588
03:07:43,160 --> 03:07:46,720
Speaker 3: used by political fundraising platforms Win Red and Act Blue,

3589
03:07:46,879 --> 03:07:49,480
Speaker 3: which found that the Republican platform had more than seven

3590
03:07:49,600 --> 03:07:52,840
Speaker 3: times the fraud complaints sent to the FCC than Act

3591
03:07:52,879 --> 03:07:54,720
Speaker 3: Blue during the period of twenty twenty two to twenty

3592
03:07:54,720 --> 03:07:58,640
Speaker 3: twenty four, with the fundraising platform targeting aging seniors who

3593
03:07:58,640 --> 03:08:02,000
Speaker 3: thought they were personal friends of the Trump family with

3594
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:04,960
Speaker 3: propaganda and emails that trick them into signing up for

3595
03:08:05,000 --> 03:08:09,040
Speaker 3: recurring donations. And what they thought was a personal correspondence

3596
03:08:09,080 --> 03:08:12,879
Speaker 3: to President Trump. It's a really worrying investigation. It'll be

3597
03:08:12,920 --> 03:08:15,680
Speaker 3: linked below. And like, you know, meanwhile, you have Elon

3598
03:08:15,760 --> 03:08:18,480
Speaker 3: Musk literally offering people millions of dollars to like get

3599
03:08:18,480 --> 03:08:21,200
Speaker 3: people to sign up to vote and sign petitions. And

3600
03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:24,240
Speaker 3: and yet they're gonna try to try to investigate, you know,

3601
03:08:24,360 --> 03:08:27,760
Speaker 3: fraud in Democrat and grassroots fundraising, which I'm sure there

3602
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:30,880
Speaker 3: is a little bit of, but according to this investigation

3603
03:08:30,920 --> 03:08:34,160
Speaker 3: by CNN, so much more fraud on the on the

3604
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:37,760
Speaker 3: on the Republican fundraising platform. You know, there is actually

3605
03:08:37,760 --> 03:08:41,200
Speaker 3: one Democrat who we can verifiably claim did a bunch

3606
03:08:41,240 --> 03:08:43,840
Speaker 3: of weird fundraising ship and did straw donations from foreign donors.

3607
03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:46,840
Speaker 3: And it is Eric Adams, who is Trump's favorite Democrat.

3608
03:08:52,440 --> 03:08:58,120
Speaker 3: Trump is personally keeping out of prison. Oh gotastic. Anyway,

3609
03:08:58,200 --> 03:09:00,240
Speaker 3: that is the that's the flurry. We're gonna go one

3610
03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:02,080
Speaker 3: more break and then come back to close out on

3611
03:09:02,120 --> 03:09:03,920
Speaker 3: some immigration and tariff updates.

3612
03:09:04,280 --> 03:09:18,480
Speaker 12: Hell yeah, we're back.

3613
03:09:18,520 --> 03:09:21,960
Speaker 1: And wait, what's that? Do you hear? The dulcet tones

3614
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:22,640
Speaker 1: of an angel?

3615
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:32,320
Speaker 5: Sorry locking jazz rocky jazz Bart Sorry lock.

3616
03:09:34,520 --> 03:09:37,680
Speaker 12: Locking jazz rocking jazz.

3617
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:41,080
Speaker 5: Bo We're gonna get to the rest of the class catalog.

3618
03:09:41,160 --> 03:09:44,280
Speaker 1: We got four years. Yes, yes, I'm really looking for

3619
03:09:45,280 --> 03:09:47,840
Speaker 1: secrating the temp. We're working on a cover of Lost

3620
03:09:47,879 --> 03:09:50,519
Speaker 1: in the supermarket where there's just nothing in the supermarket

3621
03:09:50,600 --> 03:09:55,320
Speaker 1: because of the terriffs. It's actually very easy to find

3622
03:09:55,360 --> 03:09:57,640
Speaker 1: my way around in the supermarket now because there's nothing

3623
03:09:57,680 --> 03:09:58,200
Speaker 1: on sone.

3624
03:10:01,080 --> 03:10:05,640
Speaker 2: So, all right, what's actually happening with with the Turff tariffs.

3625
03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm just gonna start by reading Trump's incredible

3626
03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:13,760
Speaker 2: cope about why everything's going to shit. This is Trump,

3627
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:17,040
Speaker 2: This is a truth from true social This is Biden's

3628
03:10:17,040 --> 03:10:20,240
Speaker 2: stock market, not Trumps. They didn't take over until January twentieth.

3629
03:10:20,600 --> 03:10:22,960
Speaker 2: Terrorifts will start kicking in. We soon start kicking in,

3630
03:10:23,040 --> 03:10:25,000
Speaker 2: and companies are starting to move to the US and

3631
03:10:25,080 --> 03:10:28,000
Speaker 2: record numbers. Our country will boom, but we have to

3632
03:10:28,040 --> 03:10:30,640
Speaker 2: get rid of the Biden quote overhang. This will take

3633
03:10:30,680 --> 03:10:33,400
Speaker 2: a while, has nothing to do with the tariffs all caps,

3634
03:10:33,560 --> 03:10:35,959
Speaker 2: only that he left us with bad numbers. But when

3635
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:38,320
Speaker 2: the boom begins, it will be like no other.

3636
03:10:38,520 --> 03:10:39,160
Speaker 1: Be patient.

3637
03:10:39,600 --> 03:10:41,480
Speaker 3: This is Biden's stock market.

3638
03:10:41,920 --> 03:10:42,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3639
03:10:43,000 --> 03:10:45,600
Speaker 2: So the reason he's saying this is that So today

3640
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:48,959
Speaker 2: we got a report that the US for the first

3641
03:10:49,040 --> 03:10:52,840
Speaker 2: quarter suffered the first like actual economic contraction of the

3642
03:10:52,920 --> 03:10:57,440
Speaker 2: economy since like twenty twenty two, and that basically there

3643
03:10:57,640 --> 03:10:59,800
Speaker 2: was like one quarter in twenty twenty two. We're contracted,

3644
03:10:59,840 --> 03:11:03,480
Speaker 2: and and it like basically since like the lockdowns, it's

3645
03:11:03,520 --> 03:11:07,920
Speaker 2: been expanding. We are probably already in the recession. And

3646
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:09,760
Speaker 2: the other thing there's think that's very important to note here,

3647
03:11:09,879 --> 03:11:11,560
Speaker 2: right is you're seeing a lot of reporting about this

3648
03:11:11,720 --> 03:11:13,480
Speaker 2: being a contraction, and a lot of the reporting we'll

3649
03:11:13,480 --> 03:11:16,560
Speaker 2: talk about how like, yeah, this is because people are

3650
03:11:16,640 --> 03:11:18,560
Speaker 2: like rushing to do their all their imports right now

3651
03:11:18,600 --> 03:11:21,840
Speaker 2: before the tariff's hit. The thing is, right, this economic

3652
03:11:21,879 --> 03:11:26,000
Speaker 2: contraction is like before the actual substantive impact of the

3653
03:11:26,040 --> 03:11:30,680
Speaker 2: tariff's hit. So this is just the beginning of like

3654
03:11:30,840 --> 03:11:33,199
Speaker 2: the rolling economic collapse, and all of these turf tariffs

3655
03:11:33,240 --> 03:11:36,960
Speaker 2: are going to generate. There's been a little bit of

3656
03:11:37,120 --> 03:11:40,040
Speaker 2: movement in the sense that like, Okay, so when I

3657
03:11:40,160 --> 03:11:44,400
Speaker 2: last talked about sort of the declines in like shipping

3658
03:11:45,320 --> 03:11:48,440
Speaker 2: from China or just shipping in general, it was mostly

3659
03:11:48,600 --> 03:11:51,080
Speaker 2: like sort of I don't know what you'd call them,

3660
03:11:52,080 --> 03:11:54,800
Speaker 2: chipping industry, trade press this has hit like the mainstream

3661
03:11:54,879 --> 03:11:57,920
Speaker 2: press now that you know, and some of these indicators

3662
03:11:57,920 --> 03:12:01,760
Speaker 2: are doing sixty percent import drops from China, and it

3663
03:12:01,959 --> 03:12:05,560
Speaker 2: looks like China is maybe kind of starting the preliminary

3664
03:12:05,720 --> 03:12:09,600
Speaker 2: things to figure out how to figure out negotiations, and

3665
03:12:09,680 --> 03:12:11,640
Speaker 2: that they've been the Chinese government has been going behind

3666
03:12:11,640 --> 03:12:15,200
Speaker 2: the scenes and talking to a bunch of like high

3667
03:12:15,240 --> 03:12:18,360
Speaker 2: profile American companies and has been like quietly repealing some

3668
03:12:18,520 --> 03:12:21,080
Speaker 2: of their one hundred and twenty five percent retaliatory tariffs

3669
03:12:21,080 --> 03:12:24,440
Speaker 2: in the US on like very specific goods. We'll see

3670
03:12:24,440 --> 03:12:26,200
Speaker 2: what happens there. There hasn't been more movement than that.

3671
03:12:26,760 --> 03:12:29,200
Speaker 2: What is also very interesting is that so okay, so

3672
03:12:29,320 --> 03:12:32,080
Speaker 2: like obviously like a bunch of prices are just increasing

3673
03:12:32,120 --> 03:12:35,880
Speaker 2: already in places like like Temu and like Sian And

3674
03:12:36,040 --> 03:12:39,320
Speaker 2: Amazon was going to have like a counter that showed

3675
03:12:39,360 --> 03:12:42,160
Speaker 2: how much additional money you were spending because of the tariffs,

3676
03:12:42,879 --> 03:12:44,360
Speaker 2: and they announced they were going to do this, and

3677
03:12:44,400 --> 03:12:46,520
Speaker 2: then President Trump like got on the phone with Jeff

3678
03:12:46,560 --> 03:12:48,560
Speaker 2: Bezos and yelled at him, and then Jeff Bezos said

3679
03:12:48,560 --> 03:12:51,039
Speaker 2: he wasn't gonna do it. But this is also an

3680
03:12:51,080 --> 03:12:54,080
Speaker 2: interesting thing because we're actually starting to see cracks between

3681
03:12:54,920 --> 03:12:59,160
Speaker 2: Trump and like people like bezis, like the tech people

3682
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:03,240
Speaker 2: can really have been his like closest basis support right

3683
03:13:03,360 --> 03:13:05,640
Speaker 2: for this whole the entire project in terms of like

3684
03:13:06,520 --> 03:13:08,640
Speaker 2: sect like large scale sectors of capital, it's been these

3685
03:13:08,680 --> 03:13:11,680
Speaker 2: people who've been backing him. And I think as as

3686
03:13:11,720 --> 03:13:13,840
Speaker 2: the stuff continues, we're going to continue to see rifts

3687
03:13:13,959 --> 03:13:17,320
Speaker 2: between them and the Trump administration over shit like this,

3688
03:13:17,560 --> 03:13:21,400
Speaker 2: because you know, like people get really really is something

3689
03:13:21,400 --> 03:13:23,800
Speaker 2: we've talked about a lot in episodes we've done on

3690
03:13:24,040 --> 03:13:26,240
Speaker 2: pricing and inflation, is that people get really pissed off

3691
03:13:26,280 --> 03:13:28,600
Speaker 2: and prices go up, and that's a way to like,

3692
03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, this is a problem for these companies because

3693
03:13:30,280 --> 03:13:31,840
Speaker 2: this is the way you lose sort of brand loyalty,

3694
03:13:31,920 --> 03:13:35,480
Speaker 2: and that's like how everything goes to shit. And Trump

3695
03:13:35,600 --> 03:13:37,440
Speaker 2: has to is doing all these deflections to be like

3696
03:13:37,480 --> 03:13:39,480
Speaker 2: it's not actually the terrorifts that are doing this because

3697
03:13:39,920 --> 03:13:42,840
Speaker 2: people are gonna be really pissed about this and yeah,

3698
03:13:42,879 --> 03:13:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, welcome, Welcome to quarter one of the recession.

3699
03:13:45,959 --> 03:13:47,720
Speaker 2: This is going to be the best quarter of the

3700
03:13:47,760 --> 03:13:49,120
Speaker 2: economy for a long time.

3701
03:13:49,320 --> 03:13:56,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, tariff talk, Okay, so it's cuds out with immigration update.

3702
03:13:57,200 --> 03:13:58,920
Speaker 9: I'm just gonna run a few speed run a few

3703
03:13:58,920 --> 03:14:00,240
Speaker 9: of these, and we'll get a bill deep in some

3704
03:14:00,360 --> 03:14:02,520
Speaker 9: of them. The New York Times is reporting that once again,

3705
03:14:02,560 --> 03:14:06,680
Speaker 9: the Trump administration is separating, has separated a child from

3706
03:14:07,600 --> 03:14:08,280
Speaker 9: their parents.

3707
03:14:08,640 --> 03:14:10,000
Speaker 2: Jesus fucking Christ YEP.

3708
03:14:10,200 --> 03:14:13,400
Speaker 9: A federal court denied the government's motion to dismiss a

3709
03:14:13,520 --> 03:14:16,840
Speaker 9: First Amendment challenge to its policy of deporting pro Palestine

3710
03:14:16,920 --> 03:14:21,360
Speaker 9: anti genocide activists. So that allows the case to go ahead, right,

3711
03:14:21,440 --> 03:14:24,560
Speaker 9: So it allows a First Amendment challenge to be mounted,

3712
03:14:24,959 --> 03:14:27,120
Speaker 9: which is a good thing, right, given that this is

3713
03:14:27,760 --> 03:14:30,000
Speaker 9: like their policy right now, is a frontal assault on

3714
03:14:30,080 --> 03:14:33,400
Speaker 9: the First Amendment for people who are not citizens. In

3715
03:14:33,680 --> 03:14:37,240
Speaker 9: the Brego Garcia case, both sides agreed to a seven

3716
03:14:37,360 --> 03:14:40,640
Speaker 9: day pause in the discovery process after the passing of

3717
03:14:40,760 --> 03:14:44,560
Speaker 9: sealed motions. Then on Tuesday, Tuesday this week, the DOJ

3718
03:14:44,720 --> 03:14:49,880
Speaker 9: filed another sealed motion. We can speculate, and you will

3719
03:14:50,040 --> 03:14:53,360
Speaker 9: see people speculating if you go into the blue skuy

3720
03:14:53,480 --> 03:14:56,560
Speaker 9: or Twitter or whatever. I don't think it's beneficial to

3721
03:14:56,680 --> 03:14:59,360
Speaker 9: do that in this case. Right, what we should be

3722
03:14:59,440 --> 03:15:02,680
Speaker 9: focusing is that a man is in a prison camp

3723
03:15:02,800 --> 03:15:06,320
Speaker 9: who did nothing wrong. It doesn't matter that justice system

3724
03:15:06,440 --> 03:15:09,240
Speaker 9: is continuing to fail him, because he is still there

3725
03:15:09,640 --> 03:15:14,120
Speaker 9: and so are hundreds of other people. The experimental quote

3726
03:15:14,240 --> 03:15:16,920
Speaker 9: National Defense area in New Mexico. So we spoke last

3727
03:15:16,920 --> 03:15:20,120
Speaker 9: week about the Roosevelt Reservation, right, and they are starting

3728
03:15:20,200 --> 03:15:23,080
Speaker 9: this militarization of the Roosevelt Reservation with an area in

3729
03:15:23,160 --> 03:15:26,200
Speaker 9: New Mexico. And we've seen the first charges that are

3730
03:15:26,240 --> 03:15:29,880
Speaker 9: filed against migrants. According to Washington Post, at least twenty

3731
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:33,960
Speaker 9: eight people have been charged or added to their charges

3732
03:15:34,040 --> 03:15:37,720
Speaker 9: a penalty for violation of security regulations in addition to

3733
03:15:37,800 --> 03:15:39,359
Speaker 9: the mad charges entry without inspection.

3734
03:15:39,560 --> 03:15:39,680
Speaker 5: Right.

3735
03:15:40,520 --> 03:15:43,760
Speaker 9: Hegxeth visited the area this week and he talked about

3736
03:15:43,800 --> 03:15:45,640
Speaker 9: how they were going to post signage in English and

3737
03:15:45,760 --> 03:15:49,480
Speaker 9: Spanish to indicating that crossing the area would be trespassing

3738
03:15:49,520 --> 03:15:54,280
Speaker 9: on US military property. Increasing numbers of migrants over the

3739
03:15:54,400 --> 03:15:57,160
Speaker 9: last few years have not spoken either of those languages.

3740
03:15:57,520 --> 03:15:59,800
Speaker 9: It doesn't seem to be something they've accounted for here.

3741
03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:04,960
Speaker 9: The US Attorney for New Mexico allegedly, according to the

3742
03:16:05,000 --> 03:16:07,760
Speaker 9: Post quote can't wait to begin charging people who cross.

3743
03:16:08,400 --> 03:16:11,160
Speaker 9: So that's great, and so it does seem that they

3744
03:16:11,200 --> 03:16:13,880
Speaker 9: are using this. As we talked about a week or

3745
03:16:13,920 --> 03:16:17,480
Speaker 9: so ago as a way to quickly charge and then

3746
03:16:17,560 --> 03:16:20,640
Speaker 9: deport people who are entering the United States between ports

3747
03:16:20,640 --> 03:16:21,240
Speaker 9: of entry.

3748
03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:22,840
Speaker 1: And other court news.

3749
03:16:22,959 --> 03:16:26,960
Speaker 9: A judging Colorado places attentative restraining order on the use

3750
03:16:27,040 --> 03:16:29,960
Speaker 9: of the Alien Enemies Act there without twenty one days

3751
03:16:29,959 --> 03:16:33,760
Speaker 9: of notice in a language of person understands advising them

3752
03:16:33,800 --> 03:16:36,760
Speaker 9: of their right to bring a Habeast challenge. So that

3753
03:16:36,920 --> 03:16:38,960
Speaker 9: means if someone is going to be removed under the

3754
03:16:39,040 --> 03:16:41,720
Speaker 9: AEA right, they have to get three weeks of notice,

3755
03:16:41,800 --> 03:16:43,920
Speaker 9: and that notice has to advise them that they have

3756
03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:47,400
Speaker 9: the right to bring a challenge and then as opposed

3757
03:16:47,400 --> 03:16:49,280
Speaker 9: to what they're doing right now, which is deporting people

3758
03:16:49,400 --> 03:16:52,680
Speaker 9: extremely quickly. Right And this was upheld by the Tenth Circuit,

3759
03:16:52,760 --> 03:16:55,280
Speaker 9: so that's in place there. It'll be interesting to see

3760
03:16:55,280 --> 03:16:57,240
Speaker 9: how many of them are able to bring. Still, bringing

3761
03:16:57,240 --> 03:16:59,640
Speaker 9: a habeas challenge is complicated. It could be expensive and

3762
03:16:59,680 --> 03:17:01,680
Speaker 9: require a lot of legal time, and I know most

3763
03:17:01,760 --> 03:17:03,840
Speaker 9: lawyers who work in immigration are overwhelmed.

3764
03:17:03,959 --> 03:17:04,320
Speaker 1: Currently.

3765
03:17:04,680 --> 03:17:08,199
Speaker 9: Yes, in California, a judge has ruled that CBP can't

3766
03:17:08,240 --> 03:17:11,800
Speaker 9: carry out warrantless stops and arrests after the ACLU filed

3767
03:17:11,840 --> 03:17:15,480
Speaker 9: a suit in response to the CBP sector's operation returned

3768
03:17:15,560 --> 03:17:19,120
Speaker 9: to sender, which happened in late twenty twenty four. So people,

3769
03:17:19,560 --> 03:17:20,880
Speaker 9: this is one of the things that people may have

3770
03:17:20,920 --> 03:17:23,520
Speaker 9: already forgotten about. But in December of twenty twenty four,

3771
03:17:23,720 --> 03:17:29,360
Speaker 9: CBP started detaining residents, migrants, laborers outside a home depot,

3772
03:17:30,080 --> 03:17:33,959
Speaker 9: a grocery store, and at road checkpoints up in California

3773
03:17:34,080 --> 03:17:37,720
Speaker 9: Central Valley. Right, people are thinking, oh, the Central Valley

3774
03:17:37,760 --> 03:17:39,320
Speaker 9: is a very long way from El Centro, what are

3775
03:17:39,320 --> 03:17:42,240
Speaker 9: they doing up there. I've included a map of border

3776
03:17:42,280 --> 03:17:45,720
Speaker 9: Patrol sectors in the sources today so people can see.

3777
03:17:45,800 --> 03:17:48,120
Speaker 9: But although the l Center sector only spans seventy one

3778
03:17:48,200 --> 03:17:51,640
Speaker 9: miles of linear border, it goes a lot further north.

3779
03:17:52,400 --> 03:17:55,959
Speaker 9: So that's what they were doing out there. The judge

3780
03:17:56,000 --> 03:18:00,640
Speaker 9: in this case, who is US District Court Judge Jennifer Thurston, quote,

3781
03:18:01,240 --> 03:18:03,400
Speaker 9: you just can't walk up to people with brown skin

3782
03:18:03,520 --> 03:18:05,880
Speaker 9: and say give me your papers. There's a very good

3783
03:18:05,920 --> 03:18:09,879
Speaker 9: reporting on this in cow Matters, which I have also

3784
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:15,000
Speaker 9: linked in the sources today. Notably, I looked through the

3785
03:18:15,240 --> 03:18:17,360
Speaker 9: order today, the core order, and one of the things

3786
03:18:17,440 --> 03:18:20,680
Speaker 9: we get is kind of a vision into how border

3787
03:18:20,760 --> 03:18:24,120
Speaker 9: patrol is expediting these deportations. Right, So I'm going to

3788
03:18:24,240 --> 03:18:27,640
Speaker 9: quote from the order here, quote, once Border Patrol agents

3789
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:30,600
Speaker 9: transported the people they're rested to the El Centro station,

3790
03:18:31,320 --> 03:18:35,280
Speaker 9: they would quote extract voluntary departure agreements from as many

3791
03:18:35,320 --> 03:18:37,760
Speaker 9: people as possible without explaining the consequences.

3792
03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:40,280
Speaker 2: And this is all that.

3793
03:18:40,360 --> 03:18:42,640
Speaker 1: This is the Plaincliff's contention, which is aclu.

3794
03:18:42,840 --> 03:18:42,960
Speaker 5: Right.

3795
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:46,080
Speaker 9: So we've seen this a lot, right, like we saw

3796
03:18:46,120 --> 03:18:48,440
Speaker 9: it in the case when they detained a citizen in

3797
03:18:48,520 --> 03:18:50,720
Speaker 9: Tucson not so long ago. That they're trying to get

3798
03:18:50,760 --> 03:18:54,440
Speaker 9: people to sign these documents. Sometimes you're not actually, in

3799
03:18:54,600 --> 03:18:57,240
Speaker 9: most cases, I believe you're not actually signing a physical document.

3800
03:18:57,320 --> 03:19:02,320
Speaker 9: You're signing one of those little pad screens, and you

3801
03:19:02,440 --> 03:19:04,680
Speaker 9: might be given an iPad to read the document on,

3802
03:19:04,800 --> 03:19:07,080
Speaker 9: but you don't get a chance to look and flick

3803
03:19:07,160 --> 03:19:09,480
Speaker 9: through the document and then sign it left, sign a

3804
03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:10,920
Speaker 9: physical copy of the document.

3805
03:19:11,080 --> 03:19:11,200
Speaker 3: Right.

3806
03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:16,040
Speaker 9: The injunction that happened here only applies in the Eastern

3807
03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:19,320
Speaker 9: District of California. The judge also ordered Border Patrol to

3808
03:19:19,440 --> 03:19:22,560
Speaker 9: record all arrests and stops and report them within forty days.

3809
03:19:23,000 --> 03:19:25,800
Speaker 9: The government argued this would be too burdensome, which is

3810
03:19:25,840 --> 03:19:28,680
Speaker 9: odd because they're already required to do paperwork when they're

3811
03:19:28,920 --> 03:19:32,280
Speaker 9: arrest or stop someone, right, but that was a rule

3812
03:19:32,320 --> 03:19:35,039
Speaker 9: by the judge. Despite this, so the old Central Sector

3813
03:19:35,080 --> 03:19:37,880
Speaker 9: has still been carrying out operations way north of land border,

3814
03:19:37,959 --> 03:19:41,280
Speaker 9: including recently outside a home depot in Pomona. So this

3815
03:19:41,360 --> 03:19:44,200
Speaker 9: is CBP not ICE, right for people are familiar with

3816
03:19:44,280 --> 03:19:47,080
Speaker 9: that distinction. But at least in the Eastern district, they

3817
03:19:47,160 --> 03:19:51,360
Speaker 9: can't be stopping people now without warrants, So that's a

3818
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:55,280
Speaker 9: good thing from the courts. I guess those are I know,

3819
03:19:55,320 --> 03:19:57,800
Speaker 9: we've got a long episode today. Those are the most

3820
03:19:57,879 --> 03:20:00,480
Speaker 9: important immigration things that I've come up with this. I'm

3821
03:20:00,520 --> 03:20:03,160
Speaker 9: sure something will happen between us recording this coming out,

3822
03:20:03,440 --> 03:20:05,160
Speaker 9: but yeah, that's what I've got for you.

3823
03:20:06,240 --> 03:20:09,480
Speaker 3: The last thing that we'll mention is that Mosen Motowi,

3824
03:20:09,959 --> 03:20:12,320
Speaker 3: the US screen card holder who was arrested by ICE

3825
03:20:12,360 --> 03:20:16,680
Speaker 3: at his citizenship interview, has been released from ICE custody

3826
03:20:16,840 --> 03:20:20,600
Speaker 3: as of April thirtieth, by order of a Vermont judge.

3827
03:20:21,600 --> 03:20:24,400
Speaker 3: This is really the first piece of good news we've

3828
03:20:24,520 --> 03:20:28,720
Speaker 3: had in relation to Trump's crackdown on Palestinian protesters and

3829
03:20:29,000 --> 03:20:33,960
Speaker 3: student protests. So yeah, Motowi's case will still continue, but

3830
03:20:34,160 --> 03:20:36,800
Speaker 3: you will not be in ice custody for the duration

3831
03:20:37,160 --> 03:20:38,080
Speaker 3: of this case.

3832
03:20:38,480 --> 03:20:40,680
Speaker 5: And I think we saw in the Mapood Khalil case

3833
03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:43,800
Speaker 5: the judge has ordered that New Jersey is a correct

3834
03:20:43,879 --> 03:20:46,880
Speaker 5: jurisdiction for that case to proceed. So that offers a

3835
03:20:46,959 --> 03:20:50,280
Speaker 5: possibility of the same that it's essentially the same charge

3836
03:20:50,320 --> 03:20:52,240
Speaker 5: that both of them have right or the same reasoning

3837
03:20:52,400 --> 03:20:56,240
Speaker 5: for trying to remove them, So hopefully we will see

3838
03:20:56,320 --> 03:20:57,440
Speaker 5: a similar result there.

3839
03:20:57,800 --> 03:21:00,480
Speaker 3: We'll be following up on both these stories as the progress.

3840
03:21:01,040 --> 03:21:03,360
Speaker 3: But that does it for us today. Here at It

3841
03:21:03,440 --> 03:21:06,280
Speaker 3: Could Happen Here, We reported the news.

3842
03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:14,920
Speaker 1: We reported the news. Hey, We'll be back Monday with

3843
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:18,000
Speaker 1: more episodes every week from now until the heat death

3844
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:18,640
Speaker 1: of the Universe.

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Speaker 15: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 15: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 15: in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.