WEBVTT - Billy Horschel on Course Setups, Modern Equipment, and Global Golf 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss the green. For example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.320 And when I find my ball. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.920 In a bride egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.360 Friday Frida Egg Egg, Fridagg bride egg Lie, I'm about 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:13.640 ready to run off of the hump. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.360 Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.360 I am your host, Andy Johnson, and today I am 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:46.320 joined again by Joseph Lamanna. We have a big interview 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.680 with Billy Horschel today. He obviously won down in Puntakana 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.760 earlier this year and has been kind of having a 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.800 resurgent year after a down twenty twenty three. Uh so 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.680 he's he's back in great form. It was great to 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.679 talk to Billy about that and a bunch of other stuff, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:09.560 including the upcoming US Open and also what's going on 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.680 in pro golf. So before we get to that, we're 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.959 going to do our in and out segment. Joseph, what 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:15.600 are you in on? 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:16.720 Andy? 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.680 I am in on Championship set up Wrinkles. So in 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.440 case people missed it, the USGA on Sunday of the 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.160 US Women's Open turned the par four sixteenth that had 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.320 been playing like three hundred and fifty yards into a 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.880 much more reachable par four that was under two hundred 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.479 and forty yards. And it seems like a true surprise 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:38.759 to the players. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.440 And maybe I'm wrong about that. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.800 Maybe some players had inklings that they might there might 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.720 be some kind of setup wrinkle, but I think it 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.000 was a true surprise, and we just don't see that 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.400 that much in championship level golf, where there's a wrinkle 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:51.200 and setup like that. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.200 I thought it was cool. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.520 I'm all for some experimentation and I'd love to see 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:56.960 a little bit more of that. Don't know if you 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.920 had a similar takeaway, but I thought it was cool 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.520 to get a completely different look at a hole that 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.600 the players hadn't prepared for. Can frustrate some players, like 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.280 it just plays differently, and I'm into that. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.079 I mean, I think one of the trends in professional 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.680 golf and this is bad, a bad trend for fans, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.080 which is a normal you know, most trends in professional 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.400 golf at this point are not great for fans. Is 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.480 that is that players are playing less and less practice rounds, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.400 you know, so it makes like the value of going 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.880 to practice round smaller because most players play like nine 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.040 to nine for two days and that's their kind of 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:36.640 practice round schedule. But if you if you played a 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.880 bunch of teas, if you said, all right, let's we'll 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.920 set this up and you know, you got to be 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.200 ready to play every tea box, I think people would 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.480 practice more. And I think that's the the neat thing 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.920 that you can do with set up. Obviously it's tricky 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.440 with rope lines. I think that's the trickiest thing is 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.160 like grandstands and rope lines where you have like infrastructure 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.480 set up and it's hard to move that and it 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:03.200 might not be feasible to really change every hole. But 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.000 I love the idea of of, hey, this is the 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.280 golf course. You don't know what it's gonna be set 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.400 up as you're gonna have to you're gonna have to adapt, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.799 you're gonna have to do this. Famously, you're you might 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.959 be too young for this. But famously this happened when 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.320 the uh the US Open was at Olympic Club. They 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.760 moved the tea box way up on the sixteenth hole 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.680 of the par five. Jim Furick was a leader. He 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.079 didn't know what to do and he ended up hitting 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.040 this like terrible smother hook if I remember correctly, and 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.200 it really it cost him the championship. So this is 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.760 this is something that can kind of befuddle, it can 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.960 change the way it. I love surprising people. The professional 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.680 golfers are just in general creatures of habit. Anything that 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.800 throws them off of their regular routine is a nice uh. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.560 I think, little challenge, like you know, it's like a 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.840 pop quiz. You know, you don't know when when something's 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.600 gonna change. So I with that, go ahead. What are 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.760 you in on, Andy Joseph? I am really in on, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.760 in particular the twenty thirties of the US Women's Open. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.520 Yes, is this just golfer the twenty thirties in general? 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.280 The venues are incredible. What I'm out on? I hope 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.479 I've I guess I'll do both of them. I hope 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:26.200 it is figured out by then. So I thought trying 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.160 to watch this tournament was extraordinarily frustrating. All the different 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.880 channels it was on, all the different versions of it. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.080 There was a featured groups stream on NBC Sports Listen. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.400 It's great that we could watch a lot of it. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.240 I'm not saying that I'm upset about the volume. I 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.600 think that we should be able to watch a lot 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.800 of it. I just don't think it should in order 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.960 to get a lot, we shouldn't have to jump around 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:59.080 to like ten different platforms. So the Peacock to USA 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.279 to NBC not really anything on Golf channel. It just 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.880 and then you got feature groups on NBC. Sports jumping 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.680 arounds hard. It's really hard to do. I'm I'm someone 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.800 that understands how to use apps, and it's a struggle 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.680 for me. So I can't imagine what it's like for 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.159 someone like my parents, like my mom or my dad, 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.919 who are avid golf watchers. Like I can't foresee a 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.960 world where they're able to navigate from Peacock to USA 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.520 to NBC. I just I don't think that's feasible. So 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.320 can we just get it? Like why can't it just 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.440 stream on Peacock the whole time? And it's like, okay, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.119 I can watch this. I'll just watch this straight through 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.479 on Peacock. It's all owned, Like why can't that be 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:56.560 an option? It just seems to me crazy that we're 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.559 changing the channel so much so much here in order 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.840 to watch this golf and not only just changing it's 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.239 not just changing the channel. It's having to switch from apps, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.640 which that's just like a whole nother barrier. We can't 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.920 make this stuff hard to watch. And I you know, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.880 I hope it gets better by the twenty thirties because 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.039 the venues, I mean, the US Women's Open has the 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.960 best venues. It's way better than the men's because there's 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:31.760 more variety. There's less reliance on Pinehurst and Pebble and Oakmont, 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.240 so it creates way more variety and there are way 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.680 more places that the women's game can go to. And 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.720 Lancaster I thought was a great example of the type 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.279 of golf course and the type of clubs that women's 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.320 golf the LPGA Tour should be targeting, because this was 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.039 an elevator, like it elevated the event. How good the 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.400 golf course was playing. I have some qualms about, you know, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.760 the renovation that they did and the direction just generally 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.880 of spending a bunch of money and not really improving 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.559 the golf course. But the golf course is a great 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.520 golf course. It's a great championship golf course. It has 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:16.640 like so many awesome characteristics between the topography and and 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.160 just the the greens and just the tilt of them, 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.880 the severe greens with topography is just such a good 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.280 recipe for championship golf. And then they had firm conditions. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.240 They you know, the weather was really good to them, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.440 so it was really great. But like, there's no reason 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.000 why you can't go to some Lancaster type golf courses 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.280 with your regular LPGA schedule. So anyways, in the twenty thirties, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.600 you women's game, it doesn't overpower these courses. If you 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.760 put the men out at Lancaster, it'd be just a 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.080 driver wedge fest. And that was like the that's the 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.440 recipe is that this is golf courses can provide awesome, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:02.680 awesome defenses and really interesting product when they aren't when 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.600 the golf ball doesn't go two miles. And when you 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.280 look at this venueless for the US Women's Open in 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.480 twenty thirty, it is unbelievable. Interlock in twenty thirty. Uh, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.160 they just reopened their golf course or they're about to 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.040 reopen their golf course from me Andrew Green Renovation, I'm 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.280 going to see it in August. I'm really excited about that. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.440 It's a Donald Ross arguably one of his you know, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.040 ten bet he's got so many I would just say 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.920 ten best golf courses. Another Donald Ross Oakland Hills, the 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.360 South course, that might be Donald Ross's best golf course. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.000 It is extraordinary, you know, top five set of greens 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.839 probably in the country. Then they go to LACC that's 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.559 going to be spectacular. After that, they go to Chicago 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.920 Golf Club in twenty thirty three, then Marion in twenty 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.480 thirty four, pretty good. Chicago Golf Club obviously is a 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.480 venue that's unavailable to the men because of how far 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:05.040 the off ball goes. Isn't that a shame? Twenty thirty 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:11.000 five is Pubble Beach, which hopefully there'll be some some 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.760 updates to Pebble Beach by twenty thirty five, maybe hoping. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.559 Then Shinnacock Hills in twenty thirty six. I think Shinnakock 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.120 that's going to be a great US women's open course. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:27.199 One of the things that's been intertwined in Shinnacock's great 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.560 history was women's golf was always a part of that, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.480 and championship women's golf was always a part of that. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.000 So twenty thirty six there, twenty thirty seven is open. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.320 It'll be curious to see what gets filled in there. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.079 Twenty thirty eight goes to Oakmont, and then twenty thirty 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.880 nine is open. So a couple of courses that I 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.760 would love to see considered. I think Cyprus Point would 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.600 be the greatest US Women's Open host you could ask for. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.880 I don't know if they would be willing to host. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.720 I know they're hosting this Walker Cup, but that would 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.800 be extraordinary. I think there would be some logistical challenges, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.680 like I don't know where you would put grand stands 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:13.720 on fifteen through eighteen, but it would be really, really great. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.199 That would be one that I'd like to slot in 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.480 there if you could. But there are so many other 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.160 ones that could be, you know, the great host for 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.480 the women's game. If you want to go somewhere in Ohio, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.480 you could do like Sciota. Obviously they have Inverness in 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.400 the in the twenty twenties. But this Women's open venue list, 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.920 I it's the best, is the best collection this is. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.240 It's a great sampling of American the great American golf 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.320 across the almost the entire part of the you know, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.000 the US. Obviously the South is a little underrepresented, but 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.600 you know, you go east, east to west, there I'm 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:51.880 with you. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.360 That venue list gets me extremely excited, and I thought 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:56.880 that was a huge part of the appeal. This past 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.720 weekend was watching Lancaster, which is a complete different especially 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.560 watching it at the women's scales, completely different experience than 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.440 watching a lot of men's professional golf week in and 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.640 week out. It's extremely refreshing. So I'm with you Andy 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.040 on the part that you're out on with how difficult 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.760 it was to watch, Like I think it was the 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.240 first hour on Sunday was Peacock and then I believe 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.240 it went to USA for an hour before moving on 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.640 to network television for the rest of the day, and like, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.280 I couldn't remember my Peacock login and just decided to 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.440 miss the first hour. And I think that's ultimately a 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.240 decision that a lot of people make when they can't 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.679 figure it out. So I agree, right, get great venues 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.160 present it in a way that's easy enough for people 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.080 to put on and doesn't require switching between a different inputs, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.599 and I think you have a pretty special product. What 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.120 I'm out on is related to that, and it's something 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.480 we've talked about in this section of the podcast before. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.040 I'm out on the lack of coordination between major golf 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.600 organizations with the schedule, and specifically this past weekend we 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.160 had two national opens, the US Women's Open and the 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.959 RBC Canadian Open on the PGA Tour. The final groups 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.520 teed off within ten minutes of one another. The final 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.760 group at the US Women's Open teed off at two 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.880 fifteen Eastern time. The final group at the men's at 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.720 the Canadian Open teed off at two twenty five Eastern time. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.120 The final groups were going down the eighteenth whole at 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.200 the same time. It's hard to watch both and with 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.959 just a little bit of coordination, a little bit of staggering. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.760 I know that daylight is a concern and it's hard 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.520 to coordinate all this stuff. Logistically, I think it would 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.199 go a long way if you're not trying to watch 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.000 two live trophy ceremonies and final groups going down the 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.559 closing stretch at the same time. And when you talk 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.559 about something like the Caitlin Clark effect and how the 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.040 WNBA is getting more popular and there's this surgeon fan interest, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.960 part of the reason is obviously they have this transcendent 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.000 athlete Caitlin Clark coming into the league, but it's also 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.120 the way that they've coordinated the calendar. Like the NBA, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.760 the Men's Professional Basketball League is winding down right now. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.360 There's not games every night. The games are pretty spread 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.040 out because we're at the finals and the WNBA season 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.520 is just starting. So basketball fans can watch Caitlin Clark 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.480 on primetime television. It's not competing directly against the NBA. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.640 Not saying that in professional golf, the men and the 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.200 women need to play at completely different times of the calendar, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.680 but staggering within the day into different telecast windows would 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.080 go a very long way instead of having the final 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.640 groups tee off within ten minutes of each other. So 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.680 I think that was a little bit of a failure 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.760 to You're not really putting either product in a position 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.040 to succeed by doing that, and it'd be much better 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:37.719 if there was at least an hour hour and a 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.280 half between them. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.079 Listen. Yeah, I agree with this. I'm gonna get to that. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.440 But you brought up Caitlin Clark as a big Chicago 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.640 sky fan. I just want to say that I stand 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:54.680 with my team. Oh, I see skyculture right there. You know, 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.920 sometimes things get physical, you know, Yeah. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.679 You're gonna wait into those waters and the Chicago sky 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.960 Player taking a little cheap shot at Caitlin Clark over 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:03.440 the weekend. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.080 But but honestly, that's the point. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.400 A lot of people are talking about it because because 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:08.520 people were able to watch it. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.040 So I think there's like dovetails a lot with like 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.800 what we're what we've talked about with Live and the tour. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:20.400 At this point, Golf's Golf's audience is too small to split, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.120 and this weekend was a loss for both the women 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.800 and the men because it was split. And I think 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.880 like this all goes back to the tour and their 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.760 gluttonous schedule that that has made the tour's product very 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.960 watered down. The Canadian Open should be a premiere event. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:47.040 It's got so much history. It's got quotes about Jack Nicholas, 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.160 like talking about how important it would be to win 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.280 a Canadian Open. At what point it was considered like 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:57.880 a major and now it's like relegated to the event 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.800 before a three week run of signature event at Memorial 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:09.200 US Open and then signature event at the Travelers. Nothing 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:15.160 screams big time event like Cromwell Connecticut. I know the 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.280 fans show up, I know the sponsor is great, but 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.760 the golf course isn't and it just that shouldn't be 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:28.120 a signature event instead of the Canadian Open. Who's playing Hamilton, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.640 one of the country's greatest golf courses. But anyways, it 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:36.520 goes back to like there were diehard PGA Tour fans 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:41.040 who were watching the Women's Open instead of the RBC 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.400 Canadian Open, And there were also diehard golf fans that 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.920 were watching the RBC Canadian Open instead of the Women's 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.320 Open that would have been tuning into the Women's Open. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.480 Coordination is so important because arising like, the more popular 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.960 the women's game is the more chance that the men 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.200 game has to grow because the women's game might attract 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.800 different viewers in and then they might start watching the 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.040 men's game and just like that, the men's game being 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.240 more popular is good for the women's game. This is 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.200 all They're all interconnected. They have to have to coordinate, 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.840 and like if the tour just had a more bangeable schedule, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.920 like if we get to a point where it's like 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:30.080 the PGA Tour is a twenty event schedule or eighteen 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.240 event schedule played globally, it would solve so many of 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.040 these issues because the Women's Open this US Senior Open 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:39.760 that's going to be played at Newport in a couple 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:44.560 of weeks won't be opposite the PGA Tour. These big 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.720 time events should get their shine. All these tours should 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.440 work together to create And I know this is an 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.960 idealistic and it's not always going to be perfect, but 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.200 in the sense of the Women's Open, the biggest women's 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:03.280 professional event of the year, you cannot have the Canadian 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:04.560 Open running counter to that. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:10.280 Look, I agree you're going like you're talking about large 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.399 scale coordination where you don't even have these events running 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.360 at the same time, which would be ideal, like that'd 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:15.960 be amazing. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:17.840 I'm just saying. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.359 Smaller or less than that. The tea times can't be 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.680 the final groups can't be on this on the same 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.360 holes at the same time. Like just staggering it even 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.199 a couple hours would go a very long way. So 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.160 I agree with you. I'd love to see large scale coordination, 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.399 but even just minor tweaks to where they're not teeing 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.479 off within ten minutes of one another and on the 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.040 on the seventy second hole at the exact same time 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.000 and doing the trophy ceremony at the exact same time, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.280 like you had Bob McIntyre talking about his dad catting 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.080 for him a pretty dramatic win the Canadian Open and 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.120 Yuka Sasso doing her championship press conference or trophy ceremony 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.199 at the exact same time, Like we got to avoid that. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:01.000 Yeah, yeah, but I you know that. I feel like 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.000 we're a long way away from that. 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That's USGA dot org slash 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.600 Frida Egg to become a USGA member today. All right, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.560 let's get to Billy Horsechell. Big thanks to Billy for 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.240 setting aside some time and being very open with his 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.880 h with his answers here and uh and then we'll 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.200 be back after the interview with the recommendations. Here's Billy 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:50.000 horsh All right, Billy, you won the Puza Khana and 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.879 I gotta say maybe the most iconic trophy and golf 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:58.800 the white Jacket. I you know, I think the white 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.879 jacket is in some play in recent years. And I've 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.360 got a couple questions. Have you worn the white jacket 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.760 since winning at Puntakana? And and be where do you 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:11.280 keep it? 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.200 I know I've put it on, you know a few 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.040 hours afterwards on the plane flight to New Orleans. The 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.080 boys on the plane wanted me to see it and 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.800 the hat they want to see me in it. I 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.399 may have put it on when I came home the 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.680 week after New Orleans. Obviously they show the kids and 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.360 the wife and having But where is the jacket. That's 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.280 a great question. I don't know right now. The trophy 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.000 We're in a house that is in our permanent house, 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.439 and so the trophy literally is on the island in 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.680 our kitchen and the hats on top of it. So 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.240 we're like as a decorative thing, not the showcase the trophy. 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.399 But yeah, I don't know where the jacket is right now. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.600 It's the trophy is a little little center piece. I 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.800 feel like the jacket. The jacket could be a good 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.639 pool jacket. You know, you could just wear where to 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.280 the pool. You know that that could be the. 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:08.959 It's a great jacket if I want to have, like 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.199 if if there ever is a party that's gonna be 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:15.280 like an Havannah Knight, uh little little theme party. You know, 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.119 I've got a jacket ready to go and I can 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:18.840 just put that on. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:25.520 So given given where you were last year with with 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.240 the struggles with your golf game, and obviously in terms 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:34.200 of your career, puta kana and I guess what I forget. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.440 Additional event is the new term for not opposite field 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.400 in terms of your career. It's not going to ever 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.800 be like the one that people point out is the 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.760 biggest win of Billy Horschel's career. But where did it 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.480 rank in terms of the most satisfying win? 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.720 You know, that's a great question. I don't know. I 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.840 think so if I go on over these next couple 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.240 of years to to play some really good golf, to 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.359 win more events, maybe get a major, maybe get a 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.040 Player's Championship, make a Ryder Cup team. I mean I'm 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.160 going to look back on the Pudakana tournament and be like, hey, 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.840 the craless event, and say that was the stepping stone 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.959 that I needed. You know, That's that's what sort of 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.560 you know, gave me that little electric kick that I 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:19.560 needed to to get back in the game where I 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.600 wanted to be able to finally win a major, to 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.800 finally get on a Ryder Cup team. You know, I've 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.720 been playing really well all year up to that event. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.199 I felt like there was good stuff coming, and I 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.560 felt like a win was coming. That's the reason I 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.639 went down there. I could easily stay at home. I 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:37.560 doal need to go down there to play that event, 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:39.879 but I wanted to go down there to continue the 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.919 momentum that I had early in twenty four and and 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.600 maybe get a win under my belt. And so if 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.760 that leads to, you know, like I said, winning other 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.240 you know events, and like I said, getting maybe a 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.440 major and getting on a Ryder Cup team in a 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.479 couple of years, Like I'm gonna honestly look back at 0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.760 the Crowless event and say, hey, that was you know 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:05.760 that a little extra confidence that I needed, just validation 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.119 that I needed that we're doing the right things. I 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:12.840 still have that ability to win events and and win uh, 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.600 you know more key events, signature events, you know, legacy 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:17.880 events that that I've always wanted to wear. 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.120 Outside of the outside of the majors and uh and 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:26.200 the players, what would be the crown jewel of you say, 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.879 just the regular PGA tour like or signature events that 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:30.840 you would want to win. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.640 I think you look at the three player Vitationals even 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.600 before they were signature events. I think when you can 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.000 add your name to a tournament like the Memorial with 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.119 Jack Nicholas involved, When you can add your name to 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:47.399 Big Hill that has Arnold Palmer, two legends in the game. 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.560 Obviously you have Tiger Woods in his event out there, 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.720 the Genesis Invitational. You know, I've been fortunate enough to 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.760 win which is now called the CJ Cup, but the 0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:01.160 Byron Nelson, any name you can attach yourself to a legend, 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.159 a Hall of famer, someone who has really dominated a 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.400 game and changed the game. I mean, I think that's 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.600 something special in the game of golf, and no one 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.680 can ever take that away from you. 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.919 You had a great Sunday at Valhalla, and I think, like, 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.480 you know, I'm sure that majors haven't been you know, 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.160 exactly what you wanted them to be over the course 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.680 of your over the course of your career. But what 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.680 kind of confidence does having a top ten do for 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:31.080 you going into Pinehurst? 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.880 It does a lot. I think over the last couple 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.480 of years, I felt more comfortable finally majors. I finally 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.680 felt like I don't need to be perfect to play well, 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.719 even though it does challenge you and you do have 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:47.080 to be precise, more precise than a regular PGA Tour event. 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:52.160 I believe that finally getting over the hump and getting 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.399 that top ten again, you know, it just validates that, 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.199 you know, the comfort levels that I've felt over the 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.360 last three or four years going the major. I look 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.120 back at a few of the majors and been like, man, 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:04.879 I really should have finished top ten there, And one 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.760 of them was twenty twenty two Saint Andrew's Open Championship. 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.639 I think I finished like fifteenth or eighteenth, two shots 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.920 out of a tenth place, and I had five three 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.359 puts on the greens that week and five three putts 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.000 from off the greens that week, so it was sort 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.600 of a frustrating week. There's other majors where I played 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.240 really well, and I've had just an awful stretch of 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.119 night holes that has cost me from possibly making a 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:33.000 cut to possibly finishing and inside the top ten. Finally 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:37.240 to get that top ten to finally, you know, and I, 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.720 you know, get that monkey off my back. Honestly, to 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.439 tell you the truth, it's just like, hey, I've always 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.200 known I've had the game to be able to compete 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.560 in majors, and even that week up until Sunday, like 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.240 I played really well. I had gotten nothing out of 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.400 my game, especially the first two days I've played really 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.120 great and I didn't hold anything, and then lo whole 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.440 comes Sunday, I hit it awful and I make nearly 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.800 two other few to putts on Sunday to you know, 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.640 shoot sixty four and finish top ten. So the game, 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.879 as we all know, is very fickle, and you know 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:11.480 you can never truly you never truly know when you're 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.640 gonna do something special. But you just got to continue 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.480 to stay patient and continue to put yourself and those 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.800 situations until everything starts coming your way. 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.360 You said you talked about not being perfect. Was there 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.560 a moment that like just illuminated this to you, Like, 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:29.800 was it you reflecting, were you just like sitting thinking 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.720 about stuff, or was there a specific moment that got 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.960 you to kind of this this headspace where hey, I 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.639 don't have to be absolutely perfect at a major. 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:44.639 Yeah, I think I'm a perfectious at heart, and so 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.359 it's very tough for me not to think about being 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.720 perfect on a somewhat of a concept basis. And then 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.840 when you hear you know, growing up and being in 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.640 tournaments and how precise you have to be at majors 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.320 at how on you need to be at, you know, 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.400 be able to win a major. I think that's sort 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.159 of I'm not saying it doesn't hold weight, but you 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:11.520 don't have to be you know, you know, firing all strides. 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.160 You know, you just need to you know, your game 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:15.720 needs to be in a really good spot, and you 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.159 do need to have a little bit luck, and you 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.959 do need to make some putts, and you do need 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.240 his some quality iron shots, but you don't need to 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.360 do it on a regal basis. And I think when 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:25.879 you watch Tiger for so long and he talked about 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.920 peaking and Tiger being a role model of mind, all 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.560 those things sort of just wrapped itself in the sense of, hey, 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.159 I need to be perfect playing majors, and so that 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.520 was in my head for so long. I think I 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:41.440 finally had my breakthrough about, you know, not being perfect 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.920 at the twenty twenty. Yeah, I would say the twenty 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.040 twenty US Open at wing Foot that we played in. 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.240 Was it September, I think or August, I can't remember 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:53.439 what month it was. I had Mark Faulture on the 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.840 bag future caddy for Justin Rose for a decade plus, 0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.040 and I think just having him on the bag and 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.520 the confidence that he had and seeing the way you know, 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.000 he had seen Rosie play and get himself around the 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:09.400 golf course and and you know, listing to foods to him, 0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.600 just taking his advice and doing things like that was 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.439 a big moment. And there's another major right there. Like 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.760 I was top ten with twenty seven holes left to go. 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:19.360 I think I was a one or two shots off 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.840 the lead going to the back nine on Saturday, and 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:24.720 I just I just didn't play well. I hit some 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.440 bad shots, I got ahead of myself, I started moving quick, 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.120 and then I think on Sunday and they had played 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.199 good good Sunday. But that was another major that I 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.400 was right there, playing really good golf, you know, twenty 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.040 seven holes away from you know, finishing off a really 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.360 good major, having another, you know, possibly get another top ten, 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.680 and I just didn't do it. But that that was 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.200 a breakthrough major for me. I would say that finally 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.840 got me out of my little headspace about perfection. And 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.240 I still struggle with it every major, wanting needing to 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.440 be perfect. The game doesn't feel great. But I've won 0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:00.360 tournaments on the PGA Tour, not how I mean my 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.400 you know, fi and all cylinders, you would say, And 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:08.080 obviously PGA two courses are completely different than major courses. 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:11.160 But it just shows you you don't need to be perfect. 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.920 And you watch other players win majors and and you 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.680 see the mistics day making like okay, that it starts 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:18.760 to resonate a little bit more. 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.160 You talked about getting moving a little faster, getting a 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.280 little quick in that wing foot thing. I think a 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:29.640 thing that every golfer can relate with that at any 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.760 skill level is the idea of how you feel one 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.680 day to the next. And you guys play obviously, you 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.360 know you're playing four days in a row. You know, 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.640 one day everything can just lock in, feel terrific and 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.080 you have a great day. The next day can feel different. 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.920 How do you go about trying to get that same 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.560 feel day after day on the PGA Tour or in 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.720 a major, whatever it may be. How are the are 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.400 there little like things over the years that you've picked 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.880 up that help you do do that better? 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.360 I think for me, if I'm trying to chase the 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:08.680 same feel every day and it's a sort of a 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.920 detriment a little bit, yes, I'm trying to, you know, 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.040 find the same swing feel. You know, the same setup, feel, 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.680 whatever it may be, but I realize it's going to 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.280 be different every day and you've got to find some 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.719 way to play well. And sometimes even though the feels 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.360 off like it doesn't feel the same, the swing is 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:31.480 still good, it's still technically sound, it's still quality enough 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.560 to play good golf. It just feels a little bit different. 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.320 And that's why I think it's so amazing what Scotti 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.360 Scheffer's doing right now, because the way the body feels 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.480 every day, the way you swing feels, the way the 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.280 putt feels, and your hand, everything on a daily basis, 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.400 like you may get sometimes you get a week where 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.680 everything feels exactly the same day in and day out, 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:49.960 the body feels the same, and other weeks you have 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.840 every day feels a little bit different. But you still 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.680 have to figure out a way to play good golf. 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.479 You still have to figure out a way that that 0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.000 allows you to play well. And I think that's why 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.760 it's so impressed at what Scott He's done, the level 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:03.760 he's played at, the quality of ball tricking he has 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.520 on a daily basis, Because I know personally and maybe 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.480 maybe I'm different, but made the way I put my 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.880 hands on feel different every day the way sometimes my 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.840 setup feels the swing fields and it's just it's just 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:15.720 the way the body is, like we want it to 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.200 feel exactly the same every day, but some of the 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.080 fuel is going to be different. But really the technical 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.520 side and the way the swing feels it's still good. 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.840 You just have to adjust to that field that day. 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.760 I find it amazing with Scotty how I feel like 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.440 the sport has gotten so technical. There's so much technology 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.239 out there, and then you watch Scotty warm up and 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:42.080 it's like this old, you know, plastic bolded grip that 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.440 every kid had when they were when they were like 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.480 a junior, and it's like, so he keeps it so 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.760 simple that I wonder if there's a beauty and just 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.160 how how simplistic like it seems like all of his 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.920 work and I think he's he talked about this in 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.800 his master's press conference. All of his work. The third, 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.920 first thirty minutes of his warm up are seemingly around 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.040 the very core fundamental basics of this is how I 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.120 grip the club, This is how I set up to 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.320 the ball, this is how I take the way the 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.360 club away, And it's almost like he's gotten it so 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:17.840 stripped down that only so many things can go wrong 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.560 from the position he's getting in the first thirty minutes 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:21.280 of his warm up. 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.920 I think you're right, and I mean he's you know, 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.360 he's focusing on the basics. And maybe that's why he's 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:31.520 able to, you know, play as our play and strike 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.720 it as well on radio basis. It's because of his 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:37.840 foundation and how strong it is. And maybe you know, 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.880 he does a better job than I on that, and 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.200 that's why his feels are probably more consistent on a 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:44.480 day to day basis in mind, and not that I'm 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.280 trying to change anything, but you know, I've tried to 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.680 as my teacher's always said, Todd Anderson, He's always said 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.440 that eighty five percent of the time, if something's off 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:58.360 and my swing feels off, it falls back into you know, 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:00.960 my setup, you know how you know, how I'm set 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:04.440 up to it. Pasture, grit babs, stuff like that is 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:08.000 more likely the issue with with me, and so I've 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.880 tried to be a little bit more diligent over you know, 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.400 I go through bits and spells, but the more diligent 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.240 I am about just the basics of fundamental basics of 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.440 the golf swing. I think the more often that I 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.640 feel least the feelings on that I would have on 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.600 a day to day basis are more uh similar in 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:26.280 the same. 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.200 Has there been any discussion with with you guys out 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:34.080 on tour about pulling together some funds and getting Detective 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:35.680 Gillis out at more majors. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.720 I'm not sure we get that detective, but I think 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:42.800 there's there's options of paying off some other detectives over 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.680 the next few majors. You know, we're gonna find one 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.960 in Pinehurst. I probably have some connections over the UK. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:52.120 I can find some some UK police, Scottish police, Uh no, 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:56.240 I mean that's that situation was just hilarious and thankfully 0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.000 it got it got solved and the right outcome. Cane 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.880 and listen. It was a misunderstanding. Scotty wasn't trying to 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.200 you know, dry a cop or run him over or anything. 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.040 You know, he thought he heard something and so yeah, 0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:10.640 it's it's funny when you sit back here. Thankfully it's 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.440 all solved. In anything, we can all sit back and 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.319 laugh about now a little bit, but it's at the time, 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.239 I mean, Scotty was a little shookn up by and 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:18.880 we've we've all seen the video, Sell. 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.239 I mean, the story is I think like we're going 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.359 to sit back a few years from now and be like, 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.320 I can't believe that happened. And like one of the reasons, 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.160 one of the markers of that I found is I'm 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:34.560 dropping my daughter off at preschool and preschool moms who 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:38.439 don't know anything about golfer asking me what happened at 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.120 the golf tournament. And to me that that's like a 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:45.359 transcendent moment when preschool moms are asking you what's going 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.680 on with Scotty Scheffler in this police incident. And I 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.239 think anybody that's been at one of those tournaments, it's 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:55.080 it's like it's a chaotic. Getting into a golf tournament 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:59.080 is chaotic, and everybody that's ever been there understands exactly 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.920 what he did, and it just yeah, so it's good 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:02.480 it's over. 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.040 As you said, I mean, getting into any sporty event 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.520 and a golf event is chaotic. And then you add 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.959 in the unfortunate situation of what happened early that morning 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.239 with someone a pedestrian of volunteer lose their life, it 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.600 just added to it exploded the situation with the weather 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.000 and the rain and everything and so so yeah, I 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.520 mean it was so unfortunate. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.400 Yeah, very unfortunate, Morning Billy. 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.400 You're known for at least I think most people are 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.919 aware being data driven, knowing your way around shot link, 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.240 having strong course management skills. 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.680 I'd be curious how is leveraging. 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.239 Data kind of changed the way you think about the 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.799 professional game, and how has that evolved over the course 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:43.719 of your career, Like, what are some of the things 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:45.960 you wish you knew year one on tour because obviously 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:47.200 you're making good use of it now. 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.520 Yeah, I would say I have to think about year 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.319 one as I'm answering those side. For me, the data 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.479 has been huge. I've worked on my stats, got forward 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.879 ten years now morecore, and he's been, you know, very 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:07.320 crucial to my team, very influential. You know, I've evolved 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.960 over the ten years with him and the sense that 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.480 everything he gave me early on I listened to to 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.160 a t and then in the middle stretch I started 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.080 questioning a lot about you know, his data, and then 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.040 now we have a great little back and forth with 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:23.960 his data and he's involved with his data and the 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.000 way you play courses and certain misses and everything, and 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.680 you know where you miss it. Certain spots may not 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.719 be good for most people, but based off you know, 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:37.200 your short game or certain other skills, it actually isn't 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.479 that much of a detriment to you. So I think 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:46.080 the thing that you know I wish, you know, going 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.160 back to my year one on twour is I look 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.520 back as I wish I would have seen, and obviously 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.360 the game was already going there. But how massive of 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:58.200 a distance? You know, hitting the ball is such an 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.279 advantage if you're able to carry it three hundred three 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.880 or five. I mean, it really does open up a 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:08.080 big advantage over majority of the field, you know, by 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.560 having more wedges and by having more short irons, and 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.759 you know, being able to take out trouble because course 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.160 designers and architects and the way course are set up. 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:17.879 You know, if you you know, the bunker is flying 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.160 at three hundred and three or five, you know opens 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.479 up the fairway and takes out you know, those those 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:28.080 trouble spots on on certain courses. So yeah, I mean 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.040 I over fifteen sixteen years now on tour, it's I've 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.520 I've learned a lot and evolved with as as a 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.600 player as any player would can you. 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.120 Maybe give like a high level explanation of how you 0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.520 would break down a course that you haven't seen and 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.560 maybe there's not any data on I don't want to 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.960 lead the witness here, but like thinking about the value 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.799 of finding a good angle versus avoiding hazards and how 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:51.359 you look at a golf hole for the first time, 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:53.719 can you maybe give a high level explanation of that. 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.000 Yeah, it's so, you know, we don't really play a 0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.160 lot of courses that are new on PGA Tour, and 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.239 when you know, even if we played a course that 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.160 we haven't played a lot a lot of times, we've 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.080 had data on it. I'll go back to Cherry Hills 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.560 twenty fourteen. First time we played there. You know, we 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:14.040 had a game plane going in there looking at you know, 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:15.879 and all the players do the same thing. But we're 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.279 looking at, you know, the length of the hole, where 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.080 to miss it all, what side of the fairway, based 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.920 off the slope of the fairway, based off the slope 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.440 of the green pen locations, you know, whether it's in 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.719 the bunk or the rough hitting chips seeing you know, 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.719 if you're short side yourself or you chipping to that 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.680 pen location is it going to be sort of the 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.880 ball in and on the downhill slope running away from 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.360 the pen, or is it going to be landing on 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.920 maybe something of an upslope where you can slow that 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.319 chip down a little bit. All these little variables go 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.279 in and so we had a great game plane going 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:48.439 in Thursday. And then after Thursday's round, we went back 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.279 and looked at all the shot linked data of all 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.600 the shots played on every hole, and I don't know, 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.320 I can't remember. We tweaked our game plan or maybe 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.439 change a few things based off clubs being hit off tee, 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.560 based off certain areas where guys were missing it around 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:08.680 the greens, just to you know, give ourselves an advantage, 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:10.520 and and some of that shot link that we looked 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.960 at sort of just validated what we had already made. 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.840 Came to that conclusion before we teed off on Thursday, like, hey, 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:21.000 by being more aggressive on this tea, it's it's an 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.360 advantage by hitting driver, because yeah, guys were in three woods, 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.200 but if you miss affair with three woods, you know 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.200 you hit it in the rough. You know, guys was 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.000 you know, averaging you know, four point three from the 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.200 rough and guys that were missing it by hitting driver, 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:37.320 were averaging four point one if they missed the fairway. 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:41.719 So just those little those those little data points sort 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.600 of validates what we do, you know, the decisions that 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.520 we make, and gives us competence on the tee that 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.320 we do have the right club and we are playing 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:49.799 the right shot. 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.440 It's it's wild how that could happen. I remember I 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.600 was playing a us M qualifier at a golf course 0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:00.440 that I'd played hundreds of times, and I I'd always 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.680 played one hole the same way, like I hit an 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.759 iron off the tee, and I'm playing this qualifier and 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.759 I you know, it's a t tea that you kind 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.960 of walk around a bunch and everybody's hitting driver and 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.880 I'm just like, huh driver. And then the guy we 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.919 get there and the guys that I'm playing with hit driver. 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.400 They hit it up there. And I watched this unfold 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.680 and I'm like, oh my god, this is so simple 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.799 if you just play it this way. And it's got 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.879 to be nice when you can sit back and look 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.160 at how every exactly how everybody in the field played 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.600 a hole. When you're you know, after a round, if 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.160 it's the first time playing playing course or the first 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.520 time in a long time playing course where you can 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.640 see how everybody played the hole and look at like, okay, 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:48.400 everybody's playing this way, maybe I should do something a 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:49.120 little differently. 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.400 Yeah, you know, on to that point twenty two at 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:58.400 bay Hill matt Or API Invitational features on my bag 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.160 and that week you know why we did that week. 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.839 I've never done it before, and I played it at 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:09.960 that point eight or nine times the event. On number thirteen, 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.719 the short part foward there, everyone usually hits maybe like 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.279 a long iron, maybe five wood off the tee, get 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.160 it to around one hundred and fifty marker keeps you 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.360 shore of the bunker on the right, and you have 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.040 like a wedgend, you know, depending on of the wind, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.800 you know, maybe nine iron, eight iron. And that week, 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.680 I don't know what we did in the practice on ourselfing, 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.600 but we had three wood off the tee and it 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:33.120 must have been in the practice isner and we got 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.440 way down there where we were guaranteed a sand wedge 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.720 or gap weg and the majority of time the winds 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.000 in and off the right there and it swirls, and 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.840 the way that green sits, the way it gets so 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.400 firm and the pin locations like you know, it can 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.399 make a tricky second shot sometimes, but by pushing three 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.960 wood down there, we had sand wedging or a lob 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:52.879 wedgen every day. And I think I played the whole 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:54.839 two or three in the par the best I've ever 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.880 played it. And it's pretty wide. It still is pretty 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.680 wide obviously visually it looks narrow, and see the bunker 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.160 on the left, bulk on the right, and sometimes you 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.000 don't want to go in the ferry bunkers because you 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.520 catch it a little fat. There's water there. But we 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.839 played that hole aggressively and it paid off. And I'm 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.640 curious to see if in the years that come, if 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.840 that whole of guys start being more aggressive off the 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.719 tee and push it down there, very similar to like 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.920 the fourth hole here at tipp Sawgrass where Braindo's done 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.520 an unbelievable Raydeld Shambley has done unbelievable little analysis of that. 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.160 It talked about how over the years guys used at 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.120 three with off that hole and the whole play too. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.520 I don't know, four point two scoring average, and now 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.239 guys hitting driver is playing under poor. I think when 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.719 you hit drivers, so you know, I wonder if you 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.680 know when guys are having more you know, performance coaches, 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.360 staff's coaches, whatever you want to say, course management coaches, 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:47.759 they're looking at all this data and all I think 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.040 they're all going to start looking at, you know, where 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.680 the scores are coming from it and it changes the way, uh, 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.000 the hole has been played for so many years. 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:01.440 I wonder with with the majors, if that is actually 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.040 some of that is that the rotating aspect of every 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:09.800 major other than Augusta, it reduces the number of data, 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.520 amount of data. It reduces the how often somebody's played there. Right, 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.680 Like you're going back to Pinehurst, you you're one of 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:21.080 the handful of players that played it ten years ago. 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.520 Obviously with the with the way they've got the anchor sites, 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.200 it's going to be a little bit more prevalent in 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.520 the future. But that lack of data, players just don't 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.440 figure out like these hacks, these shortcuts and like you 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:37.359 see holes, Like one guy does something and it it's 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:42.880 kind of like innovation in any other industry where somebody 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.239 figures something out, a company figure something out, and it's 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.919 like off to the races, like how many Uber four 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.120 x are there? But like one player figures something out 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:54.160 and then it becomes you know, almost the gospel on tour. 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.760 Everybody does it that way. Do you think that major 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.200 is the lack of the lack of is part of 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.520 what makes the course, the courses more challenging. 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.320 I do agree. I think not having that familiar airtea 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:12.640 of the course. You know, obviously putting, you know where 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.920 to put the ball in the greens, and just just 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.719 putting aspect of it alone, how fast the putt it 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.279 Sometimes you putt looks very fast and it's not, and 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.719 sometimes it looks very slow and it's actually fast. I mean, 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.280 it's very similar to Colonial last week with the new greens, 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.520 like you have to relearn the greens again because there 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.200 are different slopes and different shapes and everything. So that 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.680 was a new aspect last week at Colernal Country Club. 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:39.520 So the more we play a course, obviously just by 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.520 playing even out without the data aspect, we learned by 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.560 what we did personally on those holes when we played, 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.920 and by watching other playing partners. And then now having 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.040 the data aspect, you can go back and look at 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.120 things and see how the majority of the fuel played 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.440 it and for the longest point, for the longest time, 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.960 the majors have had this data, and they haven't really 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.040 at least it like shot like we get on shot 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:04.560 Link on the radio time on the PGA tour. But 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.520 now we're getting they've allowed us access and my guy 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:13.240 Orty heat Uh, he's finagled his way over the years 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:17.080 to get some of these these data, you know, shot 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:20.080 link data stuff that other other people haven't. But now 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:24.040 it's becoming more reletive, you know, available to everybody else. 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.000 So it's still it's still a challenge because we just 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:28.480 don't have a lot of data. We don't have a 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.480 lot of history on it. Like you said, we're not 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.000 playing on a yearly basis. The conditions aren't always the same. 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.120 You know, when you play five six years in a row, 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.000 you see them pretty much every type of conditions over 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.880 a five year period. But like in fourteen it was 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:43.839 very dry and I'm not sure which way the wind 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.640 is blown, but you know, the conditions could be changed 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:50.279 with the temperature, the course conditions, the wind directions. I mean, 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.759 it's very similar going to Oakumart. I think next year, 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.720 you know, all these things come into place. So there's 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:58.919 not a lot of data, you know, that we can 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:04.040 can use to really make you know, feel confident about 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.760 some decisions that we make a lot of times. 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.759 Billy, what are your lasting memories of Pinehurst? In twenty 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.600 fourteen you finished tied for twenty third there, so four 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:13.840 rounds under your belt. How do you think about that 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.440 golf course and maybe how will that inform some of 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.160 your preparation over the next week or so. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.000 So, you know that had just gone through a really 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:27.000 early renovation, and so all that little native area crab 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.319 grass era that wasn't really growing up. So when you 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.279 did miss it off the fairway, you're really mostly just 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:36.920 like a bunker and so is it wasn't too bad 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.640 if you missed the fairway. I'm curious how it looks 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.759 now with ten years of growth. And I'm sure they've 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:43.880 maintained in and cut some things down this and that, 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.439 but I'm sure there's gonna be more of that little 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:53.000 native grass around off the fairways. Really my mic preparation 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.520 for Pinehurst because it's the driving isn't going to be 0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.680 nearly as You're not gonna have to it nearly as 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.080 accurate as you would, let's say, back in two thousand 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.160 and five US opening, when it was tight fairway's long 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.320 rough where you really did need to hit the fairway. 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.040 Now you know, if you do miss a fairway sort 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.080 of a fifty to fifty chance depending on the lie, 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:15.600 you're gonna probably be able to get it up around 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.759 the green and control it for the most part. So 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.040 we all know about pieheurse greens and you know the 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:22.560 way they all run off, So you're gonna have to 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:27.200 have really really precise iron play. I remember Martin Kimer 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.520 putted his way around there. Listen, he's not It's no 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:34.200 secret that his short game is not that strong chipping 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.880 the ball, but he has an unbelievable touch with the putter. 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.920 And I just learn putting from everywhere. So that's a 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:41.440 lot of stuff. I'll do that week and see how 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.400 much we can chip, see how much we can putt. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.879 But for me, it's it's, you know, over the next 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.399 couple of weeks or next ten days before I get there, 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.320 I'm gonna really work hard on my iron play and 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:53.720 really have control of the golf ball the distances. Because 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.640 the guy it's very similar to a gusta. I think 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.200 the guy who hits the most greens, or the guys 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:00.839 that hit the most greens are going to be up 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.520 there near the lead come Sunday. 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.560 Do you think about tweaking your equipment at all, like 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.920 the way that your wedges interact with the turf, changing 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.239 any of the settings there. I don't know if you're 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:13.759 somebody that tinkers with your equipment in general, but how 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:16.000 are you thinking about that with the unique turf conditions 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:16.680 at Pinehurst? 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.319 No, I don't change much. I mean, I have a 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:24.160 I'll maybe switch my sixty out, my lobodge out once 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:26.279 in a while. I'll go from a V grind to 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.440 tea grind that has a little bit less bounced depending 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:33.319 on the surrounding areas out of gust. I mean at 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.320 Pinehurst obviously, I'm guessing. I mean it's probably Bermuda grass, 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.799 so it's going to be probably grainy around there. I'll 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:42.960 still probably keep my V grind in just because it 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:44.480 gives me a little bit more bounce, a little bit 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.759 more forgiveness around there. But yeah, I don't change much. 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.680 I'm not one of those tinkers on a regular basis. 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.759 I'm not changing my wedges out. I'm not changing my 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.799 I'm not changing the bounce on my wedges a lot. 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.120 So yeah, like I said, I'm a creature of habit. 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.400 When I have something that no works, I'm going to 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:04.240 keep it that way because under the pressure pressure situation, 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.279 I want to know, like how my club's going to 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.720 perform when when I hit a certain shot. 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:12.439 In terms of grass, I'm just you obviously probably grew 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.799 up with Bermuda is and I think that's probably what 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.799 I like, a West Coast kid would struggle the most with, 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.279 or a Northern kid who would struggle the most with 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.440 is Bermuda. Do you think being based with Bermuda is 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.760 the biggest advantage on tour or and do you struggle 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:30.880 with any other grass? Is there a grass that you 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.840 just really you see, Oh this is this is grass? 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:35.520 I don't like that. 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.640 I think I think it's an advantage being on Bermuda, 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.480 growing up on Bermuna for a multitude of reasons. I 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.279 think learning to lies, how a ball sits, whether it's 0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:47.720 going to jump, whether it's gonna come out dead, especially 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.360 around the greens. You know how you can hit certain 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.799 shots to get the ball to come out dead if 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:54.520 if a lie is going to come out with no 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.040 spin or it's going to come out with spin. All 0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.920 those little things is an advantage in then green reading, 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.479 understanding the grain, how much it affects a putt based 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:08.319 off speed and everything. It's just sort of intuitive now 0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:11.520 for me, you know, being thirty seven, you know, playing 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.640 golf for thirty five years, thirty thirty four years, and 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:17.880 and the majority of my all my life, I've been 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.600 on meta grass. The grass I probably struggle with the 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:25.359 most is poema, and it's just on the greens. You know, 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.680 it's weird to me when I start seeing you know, 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:33.120 footprints and intentions and different you know, the grass grow 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:37.000 at different heights, so it was whenever I see that 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.120 and two degrees, I just want to hit it harder. 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:42.120 For some so it rolls smoother and it doesn't bounce 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:46.000 as much. But I've learned that's not always the case 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.000 on poeana greens sometimes because last thing you want to 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.120 do is have a six footer and try to ram 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:53.680 it in there and you miss, and you got another 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:56.160 six footer on you know, bumpy greens, and you're like, 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.439 oh man, I now I'm just gonna lag this one 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:00.719 up there, so I don't have another six footer. But 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.640 I've learned a little bit. But yeah, I think it 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:06.160 is an advantage because I think Bermuda grass not that 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:09.160 it can't be learned, but it does take some time 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.200 to understand all the lies and the way it comes 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:15.480 out and reading the lies. It does take some time 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.520 to learn that a little bit. And I'm not saying 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.880 it can't be done. Obviously guys have done it. Tiger 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:23.799 have probably done it the best. You're coming from California, 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.280 but it is the one that I think is toughest. 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.560 It takes more time to learn as Bermuda grass. 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.920 We don't see a lot of like majors or big 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.960 events with with Bermuda. I mean, you know, you think 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:41.799 about the players that overseeds Augusta overseeds, and then the 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.040 seasonality of it. You're not going to a lot of 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:46.040 places with Bermuda. But one of the things that I've 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.560 kind of like this crystallized for me, and a lot 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:50.960 of it had to do with Southern Hills hosting the 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:54.600 PGA a few years ago and then last week at Colonial. 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.560 To me, Bermuda rough seems to be one of the 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.959 things that gives the bottom player the most fits. It's 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:05.359 really like you you just as you said, it takes 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:07.640 a long time to learn it, and I think when 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.520 the ball gets in the rough, that that might be 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.839 the most unpredictable situation that you guys are faced with 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:18.200 on any regularity on the PGA tours. Would you agree 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:18.480 with that? 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:22.279 Yeah? I agree. You know, it's so tough because the 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.560 lies are. You know, you can throw ten balls in 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.560 the rough and it's gonna get ten different lies. If 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.560 you thw ten balls in and rough at you know, 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.640 let's say Valhalla or or Rye Grass or or stuff 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.879 on the West Coast, like you're gonna get a couple 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:39.640 of different lies, but you're gonna be able to judge 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.640 them a lot easier. The Bermuda grass is really tough 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:47.800 to judge based off each lie. I listen when and 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.680 when you hit a ball in a rough, it's so 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.440 tough to judge no matter what. But you know, when 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.680 we go to courses that have immuta rough, it is 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:57.759 crucial to find the fairlies. It really is. I mean 0:52:57.840 --> 0:52:59.920 there's no doubt about it. I mean look at Sedgefield, 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.239 I mean Central Country Club. I mean, yes, you do 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.880 shoot twenty under because it's so short. But if you 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.400 look at one of those things there that's so important 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.920 that week play well is drive accuracy. If you hit 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.480 it in the fairway. You have so many wedges and 0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:13.560 so many short irons. If you hit in the rough, 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.399 you know, majority of times you're probably missing the cut. 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:18.200 The guys up near the lead are the guys that 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:21.360 are hitting it in the fairway, have the highest percentage 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.959 of fairways hit that week. It's so tough to judge, 0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:26.360 and that's why Colonial was so such a great challenge 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.600 because of the rough they have. I would love to 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.719 see us play more of Bermuda grass because I think 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:33.920 it does it does a multitude of things that it 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:38.040 challenges the modern day golfer ol the rough, but it 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.600 also requires us to be more accurate and hit it 0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:44.960 into the fairway because of the the un you know, 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:48.239 the nature of the unnature lies of that we get 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:50.799 and everything. So, you know, I know there was talk 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:56.320 of possibly maybe making the PGA Championship going down to 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.960 the Concession I think in the early twenty thirty twenty one, 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:02.440 I mean thirty one thirty somewhere around there. I'm hoping 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.920 that still is you know, Concession Golf Club is still 0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:09.840 a opportunity or still is in the running, because I 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.600 think that's a great course down there in Sarasota. It's 0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:13.440 we played the. 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:19.319 High high variance there. Yes trouble everywhere. 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.680 It is, and we played the the WC event down there, 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:26.040 the work there and listen, we we I think Colin 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.759 one at seventeen, you know, I finished second, I think 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.680 with a couple other guys at fifteen or something. But 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:32.879 it's a challenging course and we didn't have a lot 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.120 of win that week. But there's a place that does 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:36.960 have a lot of rough and you know the way 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:40.000 the greens are with bermuda grass, everything, it's a challenge. 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:43.920 So I do agree. I think what you said. I 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.799 think the courses that really do challenge us. The most 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.000 that I think worry us a little bit is when 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:52.240 we do have bermuda grass rough off the fairways. 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.400 I feel like one of the things, you know, the 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:58.399 sedgefield thing. I you know, I never had really thought 0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:01.600 about the bermuda there, but it makes sense, like that's 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.719 an event that I do feel like, you really like 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:09.480 you get rewarded for great play, like people separate, you know. 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.359 But then everybody would say, hey, it's not really much 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:15.800 of a test because of the scores correct on tour. 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.919 Do you guys, are there courses that you think are 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:25.080 very challenging, like in terms of like like stimulating your thought, 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.719 like where your nervous around shots, but scores are super low. 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:32.440 What are examples of those courses where you know the 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:34.879 scoring on the week might be really low, but you 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.439 feel like you really have to hit shots to get there? 0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:39.799 You know, I don't think we play a lot of 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:42.280 courses like that, to tell you true, I think Sexiel 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.279 is one of them. You know, I can think of 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.560 courses that are that give you that feeling, but the 0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:49.720 scores aren't low. You know, we can go to Tory Pines, 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:54.440 we can go to PGA National, we can go to Bayhill. 0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:58.480 I'm sure there's some other courses that I'm forgetting about 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:01.360 in that in that rotation, but yeah, there's not a 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:05.640 lot of that where even though it's seventy one hundred 0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:09.000 yards or something, I mean, you still you know, you 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.520 know that if you don't miss, you don't hit the fairway, 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:13.600 it's still gonna have a challenging shot to try and 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.279 hit the green and put in the right spot, and 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:19.399 with the undulations and the greens and everything, it's still 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:20.160 a challenge. 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:20.880 Billy. 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.279 Something you've talked about before. I know you mentioned this 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.239 on the no Laying up pod maybe a year and 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:28.000 a half ago. You've been pretty outspoken about the driver 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:30.520 head and how it's gotten maybe a little bit more 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.600 fargiving over the course of your career. Can you just 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:36.680 talk from your perspective, does it take less skill to 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:38.480 hit the driver straight than it did at the beginning 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.200 of your career? Because you talked about some of the 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:44.360 aggression and the benefits of being aggressive off the tee. 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:46.799 I think part of the reason we're seeing players get 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:49.840 more aggressive is the realizing the value of distance, but 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.759 it's also gotten a little bit easier to swing with 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:54.720 driver and be aggressive. Does it take less skill now. 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:58.640 Yeah, I do. I think it takes at the professional level. 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:00.720 I think it takes less skill that the ball straight 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.080 then it has any other point in the history of 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:05.160 the game of golf. Let's say we've all reaped the 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:09.640 benefits of technology from the recreational golfer to the highest 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:14.000 of professional golfers. But I still believe that, and I've 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.040 argued this for a decade. You know, when they started 0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:17.800 saying the golf ball goes to for them, like it's 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.960 not really necessarily the golf ball guys, I said let's 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:22.840 throw and track me and probably a number one reason 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.400 being able off to my stuff. Let's throw in the golfer. 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:29.840 You know, guys are more athletic now, bigger, stronger, faster. 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:34.000 Let's throw in the equipment, lighter shafts, bigger clubhead, bigger center, 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:37.040 sweet spots. Guys have made a career on the PGA 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:40.080 Tour because of technology that you know, twenty years ago, 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.200 they probably wouldn't have a career in the PGA Tour. 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.080 And I believe that if we brought the driver head back. 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.240 And my thing is, I don't want to take distance 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:53.000 away necessarily, I want to take I want to bring 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.040 back in. When you mishit it off the stay of 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:59.000 the face, it goes more offline. And when if you 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.760 did that, then I think distance would rain itself back 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.000 in because guys would be, you know what, it'd be 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.080 going at it, you know, out of their shoes and 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:08.040 swinging as hard as they possibly can on on somewhat 0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:10.920 of a regular basis, because they know now if they 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:12.600 do miss it, it's not going to go that far 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:15.560 off line. Like I heard Bryson say something recently recently, 0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:18.040 like you know, when I hit it off the toe 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.480 like I want to go in the fairway, you know, 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.160 I needed to go in the fairway, and so that's 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.480 why the driver he uses and some other stuff he's done, 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:26.400 and especially these new irons. This is what I heard 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:28.920 that I didn't play Augusta, so I was listening to 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.680 live from you know, his bulge on his irons, Like 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:33.640 when he hits it off the toe, like it corrects 0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:35.800 itself and comes back online, it doesn't go as far 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.840 off line. I'm like, that's awesome. That technology is like 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:42.880 that that we have that a building now. But we're 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:45.120 professional golfers. We need to get rewarded for hitting the 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.360 center of this face. Like that is what we're supposed 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.040 to do at the highest level of golf. And we've 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.400 taken that away from the professional golfer, and we still 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:58.520 do amazing things with the golf ball that the recreational 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.440 golfer can't. But man, how more impressive would it be 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.360 if the center of the sweet spot on irons in 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:06.800 the club had or the driver in the fairway wards 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.520 went back down to what we had maybe twenty years 0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:11.840 ago in the early two thousands, Like that would be 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:15.360 impressive because guys want to be you know, would want 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:16.800 to make sure they hit the center of the face 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.920 and that would slow the club had slowed, their clubs 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:21.880 be down. Like I just saw a clip on social 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:26.080 media this morning of Bryson playing on YouTube with you 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:28.400 know an old set of clubs, yeah, Hickory Yeah, and 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.000 you saw how fast he swung. He didn't swing anywhere 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.200 near as fast. I don't know where the shot went, 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:35.760 but the club had so small I guarantee it he's 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:37.919 not swinging one hundred and thirty plus miles per hour. 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.479 And if he is, if he misses it, it's gonna 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:42.000 go offline. Now if he hits it in the center 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.320 of face and it goes three hundred and twenty yards, 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.360 that it's down the middle of fairway, let's stand up 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:49.160 again around the plaus because that was impressive that. 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:54.360 I think that's the thing that people miss a lot 0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:58.000 with this discussion is the smaller head of One of 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.920 the things that brings into the game which everybody loves 1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:04.720 and is a core essence the game is risk. I think, 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:07.400 like what happens when you're playing the smaller head And 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.480 this is at least from my personal experience at playing 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:13.120 per Simon for like a year and a half recently 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.800 is that I went early in the round, you're almost 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:21.360 feeling out your golf swing how it feels. And if 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:24.160 you're really cooking, then you start to go at it 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:26.640 and you start to hit. You know, you're you're you're 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.280 swinging at it. But if it doesn't feel good, like 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:31.840 you have to stay It's like you have to stay 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:34.680 in second gear, yeah, and you have to continue to 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:37.720 feel it out, and because you know, if you go 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.240 at it, there is big misses. Like one of the 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.760 things that I found like the most is like I 1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:45.600 couldn't believe how many pop ups I hit, because like 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:49.120 it's like the high towball with the four hundred and 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:52.760 sixty cc that goes just as far with a with 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:55.720 a per simon or a small head. Is like a 1:00:55.760 --> 1:00:58.640 pop up out to the right that goes like eighty 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:00.920 yards short of what you know normally hit. And I 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:05.000 think that's like what you're talking about. I think the ball, 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:08.440 like the ball being addressed. It seems like in the 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:10.200 manner it's going to be, is going to be a 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.440 pretty negligible difference by the time we get to twenty 1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:16.400 twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, with the way the game 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:19.640 continues to grow, like distance continues to grow, it's going 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.720 to be pretty negligible to what it was a year ago. 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:28.040 But the driver head, that's that's where as you've said 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:33.000 it would make a fundamental difference on how people play. 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:35.440 I think the scare of the what they're worried about 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:40.560 is like the idea of pros playing different equipment than amateurs, 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:43.160 which it's just not the same game. You guys play 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:45.520 with grandstands and get TiO left and right. 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:51.080 Yeah, exactly right. Listen. I if you go on the 1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:53.520 PGA Tour and you can do it with Thomas Jarvis 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:55.880 because they have a black face, and you go down there. 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:58.640 You can look at people's drivers and I see them 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:00.880 when I play with certain pros and the tea marks 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:03.640 and they're all over the face of a driver, and 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:05.520 some are way on the toe and someone way off 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:08.040 off the heel. I'm like, God, this guy's able to 1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:09.920 hit it right here and still hit in the fairway. 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:12.560 That just does the blows my mind that they're able 1:02:12.600 --> 1:02:15.520 to be that, you know, miss of a center and 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:17.760 still get rewarded for. And that's why I said technology 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.160 is way. We've all reaped the benefits, but at the 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:23.040 highest level. We should we're the most talented, we're the 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:26.120 most skillful. We should have to be able to, you know, 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:31.080 test our skill level and either stand listen. I was 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:36.640 for not changing equipment because you know, amaers want to 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:38.800 play what we play. But end of the day, like 1:02:39.560 --> 1:02:42.360 I said, this, let's the if you get someone into 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:44.160 the game of golf, let them have all the big 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:47.000 stuff and easy stuff to hit. And as they progress 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:49.200 as a golfer and get better as a golfer, if 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.760 they want a challenger skill level, then let them go 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:55.800 to a a you know, there's gaming proven irons and 1:02:55.800 --> 1:02:58.720 then there's player iron player you know, skill irons or 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:01.080 whatever they call them. You know they're gonna change. And 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:03.680 you know what, let's have another set now where it's 1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:08.760 professional highest level, smaller heads, sweet spots, you know, you know, 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:11.439 reduced in size, and if they get to the level 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:13.560 that they want to see how much you know, they 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:16.120 get to scratch golfer and they want to take the 1:03:16.160 --> 1:03:18.800 equipment that the pros use, Let's let them have that 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:21.720 opportunity to But it's not gonna change to what the 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:24.720 amateur golfer does and what they buy. They're gonna buy 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:27.760 a tailor made driver because Roy mcwory plays the tailor 1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:29.800 made driver, you know, because they hit it. He hits 1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:32.480 a far like they're not whether it's the same ex 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:34.920 act one or whether it's a different one. They're buying 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:38.760 Taylor maid because they like Roy McCrory, he's his favorite golfer. 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:41.840 They're not using his irons because they're not good enough 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:43.560 to use his irons. They're gonna use a different set 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.960 of Tailor maids. But they're saying, hey, I played Taylor 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:47.959 Made because Roy mcwory plays tailor made. 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:51.840 You never hear, you never, ever, very rarely hear an 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:56.040 amateur golfer say, well, I play the you know, tw 1:03:56.360 --> 1:04:00.000 Taylor made irons or the six twenty NB tireless eye 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:03.280 irons that Justin Thomas uses. No, I've played Tiler's irons, 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.600 because Justin Thomas plays Tyler's irons, and they probably played 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:08.720 a te or T two hundred. 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:11.640 I feel like a few years ago we learned that, 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:14.680 you know, there were no tailor made drivers that were 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:17.560 available to the public, that tour players were playing. You know, 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:19.760 the tour truck. That's some big ball heads. 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:22.040 And you know what, back in the day, it was 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.440 back in the day, early in my career, there was 1:04:24.520 --> 1:04:28.000 the tour head that you know, there was a tim 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:29.640 made head and there was a tour head, and now 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:32.960 that's all gone. All the drivers are saying, listen, the 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.920 shafts we have or you know you're not. You can 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:37.520 still get our same shafts. She's got to pay a 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.600 lot more money for some of the you know, shafts 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:42.120 we have in our drivers, but pretty much any equipment 1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:43.800 we use you can get now a day. 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:48.160 I'm curious. Obviously there's a lot of stuff going on 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:53.000 politically on the PGA tour. You were a former PAC member, 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:58.200 and where do you sit with you know, the PGA 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:01.200 tour And I guess some of the some people you 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.040 know as somebody who covers the game. It feels a 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:05.440 little bit like a soap opera where it's at with 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:09.080 the negotiations with the with with the Saudi Piff and 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:12.760 the idea of these two tours live in the PGA tour. 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:15.800 What would be your ideal resolution from where you guys 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:16.520 are at today. 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:19.160 Listen, I see a lot of different roads, and I've 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:21.480 seen it from the very beginning, and I you can 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:24.600 go back and I challenge people when they when they 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:27.560 they challenge me slash attack me on certain things I've said, 1:05:28.120 --> 1:05:31.320 and I've been pretty consistent on it all along, and 1:05:31.360 --> 1:05:33.640 I've said it at twenty two at the Scottish Open. 1:05:34.200 --> 1:05:37.080 I'm okay with two competitive tours. I think, you know, 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:39.840 it makes both tours have to be better and they 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:43.080 have to do something to be to be the winner, 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:46.040 be the leader in that that arena. And I've always 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:49.520 said I think the PGA Tour will always be the leader, 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.880 will always be the best place to play the game 1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:55.920 of golf. Now, when it comes to the players that left, like, 1:05:56.240 --> 1:05:58.880 as I've said, I don't it didn't bother me. You know, 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:01.040 they made a financial diss decision that they thought was 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:03.480 best for the family. And I'm happy now. Do I 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:05.440 wish some of those guys that leave, Sure, but they 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:09.600 made a decision and I'm never, you know, uh, sending 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:11.560 bad about them. I've always sort of called them out 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:13.200 on some of their comments that they said that we're 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:18.200 sort of hypocritical and and we're lies. But at this 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:20.840 point in time, I believe for the best thing for 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:22.840 the game of golf, for the best thing for fans, 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:24.920 I think we should do a deal with PIFF, I 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:28.720 think listen, they're they're involved in a lot of a 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:31.640 lot of sports in the game. Uh, they've been other sports, 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:34.480 They are involved in businesses. They're going to be around 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:36.640 this in this world for a long long time because 1:06:36.640 --> 1:06:40.360 they've got hundreds of trillions of dollars and it's not 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:43.240 going away anytime soon. And if they want to really 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:45.840 come into the game of golf and and help the 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:49.160 game of golf grow that, I think we need to 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:51.200 sit with them and see if we can come to 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:54.520 a resolution that that works with both sides. I would 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:56.680 hope that that we do do a deal with a 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:59.680 game of golf. I mean, with PIFF, that's for the 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:03.400 game of golf. I believe, you know, whether it lives, 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:05.800 stays around or not, I don't know. I do believe 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:09.200 they've shown there is a team aspect that can be successful. 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:11.760 I think when they you know, when it's more about 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:15.000 the team and their their tournaments and their championship, I 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:19.640 think it's their best product. But an individual fifty four 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.400 whole thing just that's not golf. That's I mean, I'm 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:24.160 not saying it's not golf, but it's not the future 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:25.960 of the game of golf, as I've said for so long, 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:31.880 seventy two holes has always been the the indicator where 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:35.640 it stays the standard. It will always be the standard. 1:07:35.760 --> 1:07:39.640 And I believe that, you know, and all this stuff 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:42.840 that's going on, I truly believe the fans are just 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:44.720 tired of all this bickery. And I'm tired of it all. 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:46.800 Trust me, I've I've put myself in the middle of 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:48.920 it a little bit, and I'm still tired of it. 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.560 I want I want a resolution. I think the fans 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:54.520 are tired of us talking about money. And I've said 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:57.720 it for many years, you know, to the tour, especially 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:01.080 around the FedEx Tour Championship. Let's let us stop talking. 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:03.560 Tell the announcers stop talking about how much of FedEx 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:05.400 winner it gets, Like no one wants to hear that 1:08:05.440 --> 1:08:08.600 the FedEx wires getting ten, fifteen, eighteen, twenty million dollars, 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:12.120 like they're making peanuts compared to what we're going to 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:13.960 win this week. And all they want to see is 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:17.680 an unbelievable competition between players. They don't care about the 1:08:17.720 --> 1:08:20.160 money aspect of it, and for us to continue to 1:08:20.160 --> 1:08:22.400 bring up the money it just turns viewers off. 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:26.599 In my opinion, Billy, thinking about the negotiations and what 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:29.720 a resolution could look like. I'm curious, from your perspective 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:31.680 and maybe some of the tour guys you've talked to, 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:35.000 how much of a sticking point is live golfers potentially 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:37.559 playing in PGA Tour events if they want to, and 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:40.120 what kind of penalty should be associated with their quote 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:43.320 unquote defection. Does that actually seem to be a big 1:08:43.360 --> 1:08:45.679 sticking point among players or is that more of a 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:48.600 media narrative that's that it's a huge sticking point for 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:49.040 you guys. 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:51.519 I was said probably a year ago that was maybe 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.360 a little sticking point when it first got announced and everything. 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:56.880 I think that some players put up a fight and 1:08:56.920 --> 1:08:58.559 some still pointing up a little bit of a fight. 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:00.519 But I think I think one of this sticking points 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:03.479 we have now. And like I said, I'm not in 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:07.840 the inner workings at all on the negotiations, but just 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:10.000 what I've thought the game of golf where it should 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:13.040 lead to. You know, five seven years ago, I believe 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:15.519 the game of golf was going to create a world 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.800 to at some point in time. You know, I've had 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:21.200 many discussions, like I said, for about five to seven 1:09:21.280 --> 1:09:23.840 years on that. I think that's what maybe one of 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:27.960 the sticking points are I think, uh, I think some 1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:32.320 of the guys in the negotiations, you know, some players 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:35.520 on tour, whether they're in the negotiations or not in negotiations, 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:38.560 maybe don't want to travel. You know, let's just say this, 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:42.200 the PGA Tour players become less global than than ever 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:44.720 before since of traveling around the world. And I read 1:09:44.800 --> 1:09:47.040 my college coach telling me buddy Alexander said, if you 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:50.919 truly want to be a global superstar and be considered 1:09:50.920 --> 1:09:52.160 one of the best in the game, you have to 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:54.439 travel around the world. You have to play in different countries, 1:09:55.040 --> 1:09:59.680 on different courses and different you know, cultures, and be successful, 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:03.519 be considered a global star, being considered a global golfer. 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:07.080 And so I believe that is where the game of 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.840 golf should go. But like I said, I mean, the 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:13.679 PJ Tour has been so successful and and the domestic 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:17.160 side and and really successful in the commercial aspect of it. 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:19.160 On the PJ Tour, that guys don't have to travel 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:22.400 as they used to, you know, decades ago, And I 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:24.600 think that's been a little bit of a detriment to 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:27.519 the PJ Tour. And to the golferself. I mean, I know, 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:29.600 just a little bit I've traveled over the last you know, 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:32.400 handful of years. I've enjoyed it. It's something I've always 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:34.160 wanted to do. I look back and I wish I 1:10:34.160 --> 1:10:35.680 would have done it soon in my career and made 1:10:35.680 --> 1:10:40.760 a better conservative, conservative effort. But you know, being giving that, 1:10:41.800 --> 1:10:44.040 you know, going to those places and giving back to 1:10:44.040 --> 1:10:46.960 the fan and letting them see you, touch you, talk 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:49.400 to you like that's a big thing. Like how how 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.320 that you know, you know, enhances your brand and then 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:54.960 enhances the PJ Tour brand when you come back because 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:57.320 now they're going to follow you even closer. Like that 1:10:57.360 --> 1:10:59.599 goes a long way. So I think, you know, I'm 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:01.360 not saying it's the main sticking point, but I think 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:03.559 it's one of the talking points is that you know, 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:06.400 some guys on tour don't really want to travel globally, 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:08.679 and then there's a section of players that don't mind 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:12.200 traveling globally if a world tour is created. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:16.680 Yeah, I mean, I think for you, something I've really 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:20.240 appreciated is your embrace of of going in the fall 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:25.120 and playing a pretty heavy DP world tour schedule and 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:27.920 I think like in terms of like the pushback would 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.799 be someone exactly in your position, which you've got three kids, 1:11:33.000 --> 1:11:36.479 you know, you live in the US. What have been 1:11:36.520 --> 1:11:40.880 the challenges of that playing that schedule, and also what 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:44.000 have been the things that you've liked the most. 1:11:44.600 --> 1:11:47.920 I mean, is it a challenge. No, But listen, you 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:49.720 miss out on family time, you miss out on some 1:11:49.720 --> 1:11:53.080 of your kids' is, you know, activities and everything and 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:55.440 every but every player is different. So I don't criticize 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:57.360 them in the sense of their schedule that they make. 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:00.360 But I I play a game of golf because I 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:02.519 love it, Like That's what I've always wanted to do, Like, 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:05.800 and this is my life. It's a part of my 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:08.280 life as a piece of my life, as my family 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:09.960 and my wife are another piece of my life. And 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:13.640 they understand, you know, you know, what I want to do. 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:17.839 They understand my sacrifice. They make the sacrifice for themselves 1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:21.040 to not see their dad and their husband, but they 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:23.360 see me living out a dream I've always wanted to do. 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:25.559 And that's what I'm showing my kids is I'm living 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:27.920 out a dream I've always wanted to do. So when 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:31.400 they do grow up, they have that role model that Hey, 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:34.040 I want to live out my dream. Whatever my dream 1:12:34.080 --> 1:12:36.479 may be, whatever their dream may be. You know, they 1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:38.479 want to do it because of you know, they saw 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:40.920 their dad being able to do it. So and the 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:47.080 advantages are just the way that these countries, these cities, 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:50.320 these tournaments have embraced me. Like it's truly amazing to 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:52.320 go over to London and see the support I get 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:55.160 when I go play BMWPJ. Yes I've wont it, but 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:57.479 even from the first time I went over in twenty nineteen, 1:12:57.560 --> 1:13:01.880 like I was embraced wholeheartedly. It was great. Like last 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:04.880 year I played in France at the Golf dashaw where 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:06.960 the Olympics is gonna be. I'm gonna go back this year, 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:10.679 Like that was an awesome event. Being staying in Versailles 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:13.719 and seeing the history and everything else, Like that's so cool, 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:17.840 Like just getting outside your bubble and going to different 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.640 countries and cultures, like you grow as a person, not 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:22.759 only as a golfer, but you grow more as a person. 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:26.280 And that's what I've really enjoyed doing. And my kids 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:28.760 are going to have that experience, you know, going and 1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:31.240 traveling with me to these countries. You know, in a 1:13:31.240 --> 1:13:33.880 few years and come to these tournaments and seeing these 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:37.960 other cultures and everything. My little ones out here mimicking 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:43.320 me a little bit, but it's uh, say hi Kobe. 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:49.320 So but like I said, I and you don't have 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:51.800 to go play ten to twelve events like going to 1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:54.080 play four or five like that that does a lot, 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:56.800 Like it does a lot, Like we need to remember 1:13:56.840 --> 1:14:00.320 we got to give back to the fan and we 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:02.120 got to get back to the fans and by me 1:14:02.640 --> 1:14:06.120 going over to play these other countries and other tournaments, 1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:09.000 like I'm I'm showing them the things that they've given 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:12.920 me from across the pond and supported me. And I 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:14.559 think that goes a long way. Like we have to 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:16.800 remember like the fans are one of the reasons, the 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:18.960 sponsors are one of the reasons why we are able 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:20.799 to play for what we play for today. 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:23.600 What's uh, what's one place you want to get to 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:26.280 that you haven't gotten to? Uh in terms of playing 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:27.080 playing golf. 1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:29.519 I want to go to I want to go to Switzerland. 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:31.840 I want to go to the Crons Montana up there 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:34.639 like that. I just heard the course of itself I've 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:37.559 heard is is okay, it's tight, and it's a little quirky, 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:40.920 but it looks so beautiful. I want to get down 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.000 to Australia. I've only been there once for the World 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:46.519 Team Amateur in two thousand and eight. Uh, I want 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:47.920 to go back. I want to go back down there. 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:49.840 I want to go down to Melbourne and place some 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:52.320 of the sand Belt courses and some of those events. 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:56.960 You know, there's a couple other places over in Europe 1:14:57.000 --> 1:14:58.880 that I probably haven't gotten to that I want to 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:01.920 go check out. But it's amazing when you go outside 1:15:01.960 --> 1:15:04.880 the country, Like you see how golf hungry these fans are. 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.360 And you know, like I said, we know the PGA 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:11.960 Tour is the biggest and greatest tour in the world 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:14.799 and that's where the best players play on a regular basis, 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:17.679 and fans them all over the world are watching PJ 1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:19.920 Tour events, whether you know it's in the middle of 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:22.040 the night or the Washington tape, the Labe, they're they're 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:25.040 watching us play these PJ Tour events. And so by 1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:28.599 going there and seeing them where they live and playing 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:33.160 these courses, like they were so appreciative of the players 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:35.760 that do that, and they're so thankful, and like I said, 1:15:35.800 --> 1:15:38.439 they're able to see you they will touch you, you know, 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:41.400 smell you, you know, talk to you, whatever it may be. 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:44.639 You know, they just have a you. You create that bond, 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:48.040 You create that sense of closeness even more with the 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:49.920 fans than before. 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:53.680 All right, Uh, last question before we get out of here. 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:56.160 I think one of the things that led to your popularity, 1:15:56.280 --> 1:16:00.280 especially in the UK, is your affinity for a fandom 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:05.679 of the West Ham U Soccer soccer club football club. 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:10.840 My UK listener is beyond me for saying soccer. I'm curious, 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:15.280 you know, seemingly you've become this, you've become this big fan. 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:21.959 How did you go about becoming a fan of UK football, 1:16:22.240 --> 1:16:25.880 world football? And how did you pick your team? 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:26.040 Like? 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:28.000 How how do you go about that? As someone who's 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:32.559 not really a soccer fan but is interested, how did 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:35.519 you go about becoming the West Ham fan? And like 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:37.559 how did you go about your fandom? Because I find 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:40.719 it a bit aspirational as someone who's I'm the outside 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:41.160 looking it. 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:44.800 So Uh, It's probably the one sport growing up that 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:48.080 my dad didn't allow us to play. He says he 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:50.200 didn't allow us to play it, but whenever, you know, 1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:52.920 my brother, young brother, and I asked him you know, 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:54.760 it went in one ear and out the other. He 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:57.759 acted like you did even hear us. But I became 1:16:57.920 --> 1:16:59.960 I've always been a fan. I always loved playing when 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:04.280 my buddies in school and everything. I became a fan 1:17:04.920 --> 1:17:07.080 by watching it of west Ham, by watching a movie 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:09.360 called Green Street or Green Street Hooligans I just called 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:13.200 here in the States. It's about west Ham and Millwall 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.840 and it has nothing to do about literally the football 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:19.120 aspect of on the pitch. It's more about the two clubs. 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:23.040 And there's the supporters of hooligans that they they fight 1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:27.000 before after games, you know, during games, they meet up 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:29.800 to these these these little fights, and and there was 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.040 you know, they ranked themselves in the sense of who 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.840 had the better you know, you know, supporters and sense 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:38.160 of fighting. And I just fell in love with the movie. 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:39.680 I fell in love with watching it, fell in love 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:43.240 with west Ham, fell in love with their song Forever 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:47.679 Blowing Bubbles, uh, and so from there, like I always 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:49.840 was aware of, you know, the club, but it wasn't 1:17:49.920 --> 1:17:52.760 until probably the early twenty eleven twenty twelve when it 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:55.679 started being shown here in the States the Premier League 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:59.559 was on NBC that I watched more often and then 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:01.720 now we'll all the streaming services. I can watch their 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.680 game whenever I want. I can watch any Premier League game, 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:08.240 and I do watch. I watch probably more English Premier 1:18:08.320 --> 1:18:13.559 League football than any of the sportball. Well listen, there's 1:18:13.560 --> 1:18:18.559 only twelve football games a year or thirteen. But yeah, 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:23.280 I mean I watch so much football now, it's just 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:26.760 a sport. I love. I love their support that all 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:30.960 their supporters of the club give and rivals college. It's 1:18:31.000 --> 1:18:34.839 actually probably better than college football support. And one aspect 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:36.960 of this is why I say this. I may us 1:18:37.439 --> 1:18:40.559 people aren't going to understand this, but when you go 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:43.800 to college, like you became a fan of that team, 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:46.280 probably because you started going to college, you weren't a 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:49.400 fan of that team more likely and before you went there, 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:52.280 and so obviously you supported that club for since you 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:54.719 were in college and since you've been out of college. Well, 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:57.400 in English football and a lot of these football clubs 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:01.160 around the world, these fans grew up were born into 1:19:01.160 --> 1:19:04.880 supporting this club because their father, grandfather have been falling. 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.800 So it's in their blood. They live and die by 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.640 this stuff. I mean, they are willing to go to 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:14.639 battle unlike any other support club that I've ever seen, 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:17.439 and I said, SEC football is the closest thing that 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:19.840 rivals it. But like I said, when it's life and 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:24.720 death to that family, it's amazing to see just how 1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:27.960 much it matters to them. And I can resonate with that. 1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:30.400 I can resonate with that passion, like it's so cool 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:34.599 and so west Ham has been unbelievable. People knew for 1:19:34.640 --> 1:19:36.240 a few years and I was a west Ham supporter, 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:41.240 but it wasn't really solidified until I wore I had 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:43.839 the west Ham bag out at the twenty twenty one 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:47.280 Open Championship and then it and absolutely blew up, like 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:49.600 the club. One of the club owners, Trip Smith, and 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:51.639 then morek Noble. When I told them what I was doing, 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:55.240 They're like, man, when this gets when people see this, 1:19:55.400 --> 1:19:57.880 like west Ham will take you under their wing. You 1:19:57.920 --> 1:19:59.640 will be one of their own. And I am one 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:02.240 of their own now, Like it is amazing. Wherever I go, 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:04.680 I always hear it, come on your Irons or up 1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:07.360 the Hammers when I go to the UK, like I 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:08.920 am one of their own, like I've been one of 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.360 Like it's like I'm family to them, and that is 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:13.680 that's the coolest thing. And I'm so appreciative of it. 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:16.639 So I love it. It's been one of the coolest 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:20.679 things to be a part of. And yeah, it's it's 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:23.400 I I said, I'm so appreciative of the sport that 1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:26.120 they've given me, not only West Ham fans, but Premier 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:29.360 League fans, the clubs of other teams, because it's very 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:33.759 easy for uh, you know, someone like me or anyone 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:37.040 who has never been you know, has a club to 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:39.839 you know, jump onto, like a main city or main United, 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:42.840 Arsenal and Chelsea. But I support a club like west 1:20:42.840 --> 1:20:45.320 Ham that up until last year we hadn't won a 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:48.240 trophy and I think nearly four years. And and you know, 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:51.320 we're a blue collar club, we're always we've we've been 1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:54.559 relegated several times and we're not a top club. So 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:58.960 it's I think they can appreciate that aspect and and 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:01.719 and that you know that side of what I've done. 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.280 So you know, you took the words out of my mouth. 1:21:04.479 --> 1:21:07.639 Someone that I know really well that works in golf 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:11.280 on on the other side of the pond said to me, 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:15.040 he goes. You know, I really respect the team that 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:18.200 Billy is a fan of. He goes because west Ham 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:21.400 that's that's real fandom. If you if you become a 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:24.000 fan of Wesham, you didn't, he didn't just pick the 1:21:24.080 --> 1:21:27.960 easy out. What would be the worst worst team to 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:29.559 jump on the bandwagon with. 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:32.479 Well, we hate as west Ham fans, we hate Spurs, 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:36.439 So Tottenham, Tottenham's right there. You don't wanna, Yeah, you 1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:39.519 jump on a Tottenham bandwagon, you know that's you know, 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:42.639 that's our our biggest fry one in the Premier League. 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:46.320 I would say, listen to London Club's Chelsea Like I've 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:49.080 been to Chelsea game. I went a couple of years 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:52.360 ago and we went to Stanford Bridge and their supporters 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:55.599 are very quiet during the game. They're not cheery, they're 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:58.040 not especially if not playing while they were quiet. And 1:21:58.040 --> 1:21:59.800 then when they do score a goal and they you know, 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:04.000 they they get into it. But I musten, I'm gonna 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:06.240 get killed from Chelsea fans by saying this, but it's 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:10.640 very posh. They're very posh and it's a very posh 1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:15.280 part of London and and and it's nice. That's listen. 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:18.240 I like going to the Chelsea you know a district 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:21.200 because it's beautiful and it's great restaurants, and it's really cool. 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:25.720 But they're very posh uh fans and they live up 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:30.439 to that tea and so listen, it's very like I said, 1:22:30.479 --> 1:22:33.160 it's easy to choose, you know, some of these clubs 1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:36.720 that are being successful and everything. But I would say, 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:39.200 if you really want to get into it, like really 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:43.120 really do your research, really understand the club really, like 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:47.439 you know, connect with it based off you know, other 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:51.000 things and just the success to the clubs. 1:22:51.040 --> 1:22:54.400 As a Chicago sports fan, I feel like I'm tormented 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:58.360 with mediocrity outside of the Bulls run as a childhood, 1:22:58.680 --> 1:23:00.960 a child thing the Bears. You know, it's just been 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:03.559 been hard. I think being a being a fan of 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:07.640 a of a of a city that has troubles or 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:11.360 with their with their success on the field really builds 1:23:11.479 --> 1:23:14.400 character in the long run because you're used to being disappointed. 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:16.639 That is it's a good thing in life. 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:20.639 Listen. I mean, you know what it's there's nothing wrong 1:23:20.680 --> 1:23:23.240 with a little little misery, a little like heartache. Like 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:26.880 it's really easy support clubs that are always successful. And 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:29.280 I mean, yes they're they're great and you're always winning, 1:23:29.320 --> 1:23:32.040 but you know, I'm getting the true aspect of like 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:36.320 struggling to to to win and and and stay you know, 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:40.040 from stave off relegation or or whatever like. Yes, there 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.120 is a lot of misery there. But when you're successful, 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:44.679 even if it's for one year, man, there's so much 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:46.559 joy in that. And that's just stuff that you can 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:48.120 hold on to for the rest of your life. 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:50.120 You know what that just described? 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:56.519 Well, yes, yes, exactly right, exactly right. You know what 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:58.880 it's now that you say that, you know, when you're 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:02.800 playing pro ams, I love doing prams because you get 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:04.920 to meet some really cool people and it's just a 1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:07.559 fun day out there. It's even better now that's nine 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:10.160 and nine that we do the nine and nine out there. 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:13.559 Those are long rounds. I got my first problem. I 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:15.920 wasn't ready for six hours course. 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:19.320 Now people understand why we were at the night and nine. 1:24:19.720 --> 1:24:22.200 But early in my career, and I don't say this 1:24:22.320 --> 1:24:26.400 very often this much anymore, but the pend on you know, 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.120 the pen on the groups and early in the holes. 1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:29.760 But a lot of times on the first team I 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:32.160 would say listen, especially like course like bay Hill and 1:24:32.200 --> 1:24:37.920 Memorial Urfield. I mean I would say listen, I want 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:40.200 you guys to have fun today. Let's not worry about 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:42.639 what scoring you guys shot like, if you're not making 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:44.559 a net power like, go ahead and pick it up. 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:49.040 Let's move on, you know. And I'm like, and I 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:51.040 say this, and I'm like, I say this in nice way. 1:24:51.160 --> 1:24:55.960 This course far exceed your guys this talent level, and 1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:59.960 this course is to challenge somewhat of my talent level. 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:01.720 Now I'm not trying to be a dick by saying that, 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:04.479 but listen, you guys aren't used to playing rough. That's 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:07.400 three inches four inches long, firm faskings like this is 1:25:07.960 --> 1:25:10.280 far exceeds what you guys are used to. But my 1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:13.000 goal today is to make sure you have a great 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:15.760 hole or hit one unbelievable shot that you go back 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:18.439 and tell your golf buddies for the next seven months. 1:25:18.479 --> 1:25:21.639 And I hit a five iron from two hundred yards, 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:23.479 you know, with water on the left. I hit the 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:26.400 fifteen feet in May burry, Like, that's what that's my goal. 1:25:26.439 --> 1:25:28.559 I'm going to make sure you have one of those 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:31.040 moments that you can go back and tell your golf 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:33.439 buddies for months that you hit this great shot on 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:33.960 this whole. 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:34.880 Uh. 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.280 You know that the PGA Tour plays. 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:40.800 On Yeah, And I think that's the beauty of the 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:45.759 game of golf. Maybe why it's so aspirational in ways 1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:49.479 and intoxicating is is somebody on a part of three 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.840 might hit a better you know, it is likely over 1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:54.720 the course of the day, you know, one player is 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:56.800 likely to hit a better shot than you are. You know, 1:25:56.920 --> 1:25:59.400 a player that's you know, won the FedEx Cup and 1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:01.040 they are going to be able to go home and 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:03.559 say to their friends, you know, I hit a closer 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:07.519 than Billy Horshall on the fourth hole and that, Like, 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:11.320 nobody could ever say that about basketball, right, I'm not 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:14.920 if I played one on one with you know, any 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:17.400 player in the NBA, I would not score a point. 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:20.080 Correct, I'm not going to part you to trust me. 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:22.920 So I mean, it's just that's why the game of 1:26:22.920 --> 1:26:24.800 golf is so cool and like I get like in 1:26:24.840 --> 1:26:27.880 those proms when they do something special, like I'm more 1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:31.719 excited than you know. I wouldn't say winning a golf tournament, 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:33.920 but it comes very close to that because it's so 1:26:34.040 --> 1:26:36.519 cool to see the enjoyment they were having on the 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:39.760 golf course, like hitting that shot, having that moment like 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:42.760 that may be one of their greatest moments top five 1:26:42.760 --> 1:26:45.679 moments in their golf career, Like that's so cool to see, 1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:50.439 Like I enjoy, you know, trying to accomplish that for them. 1:26:50.479 --> 1:26:54.920 Billy, thanks so much for coming on and chatting with us, 1:26:55.040 --> 1:26:57.400 and we wish you the best of luck the rest 1:26:57.439 --> 1:26:59.960 of the year. Excited to see you back at Pine. 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:02.479 I think that's a course that sets up really well 1:27:02.479 --> 1:27:05.559 for your game and we'll see you out there. But 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:09.000 thanks for coming on and thanks and chatting with us. 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:15.519 All right, Joseph, what was. 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:18.560 Your favorite favorite part of the Billy interview? 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:20.160 Just in general? 1:27:20.800 --> 1:27:24.120 I've always appreciated how open Billy is, and like the 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:26.880 press conference after a Memorial last year, he shot like 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:28.840 eighty three or eighty four in his opening round and 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:31.439 was willing to talk about it. Ended up being choked 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:34.160 up like that to me is a good indication of 1:27:34.200 --> 1:27:36.600 who Billy Horsell is. He's willing to say what's on 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:40.200 his mind, so I really enjoyed. I think him talking 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:43.160 about being a global player was probably the part that 1:27:43.200 --> 1:27:45.960 resonated most with me, and his willingness to travel around 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:48.880 the world and talk about the benefits of that versus 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:50.960 it being a burden, Like I think he sees the 1:27:50.960 --> 1:27:52.640 bigger picture there a little bit in a way that 1:27:52.680 --> 1:27:54.840 some other PGA Tour players need to get on board with. 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:57.360 That might have been my favorite part. I don't know 1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:58.920 what was your favorite party, Andy, I thought the whole 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:00.000 I thought he was great the whole time. 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:02.840 I think the one thing you hit on, I think, like, 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:06.519 I think golfers become infinitely more interesting when they go 1:28:06.680 --> 1:28:10.040 through big time struggles. I think that's like, it's just 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:15.400 a very humanizing and relatable thing. And I think like 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:18.840 the way Billy Horsechell handled that hole all of last 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:22.960 year was like I think it won him a ton 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:27.040 of fans, and because he was willing to talk about it, 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:30.000 very open about it, and you could tell from the 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:32.519 way how open he was, how much of a toll 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:36.920 it was taking on his like on him, I think so, 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:40.040 I think you know that that him. It's been one 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:42.000 of the fun things to watch this year, him getting 1:28:42.040 --> 1:28:47.120 his game back, winning obviously and returning as a top 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:51.240 fifty player in the world. Like, that's been really enjoyable 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:55.000 to watch. So big thanks to Billy for coming on. 1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:56.880 What's your recommendation? 1:28:57.479 --> 1:28:58.160 Let's go off the. 1:28:58.160 --> 1:29:00.639 Wall here, Andy, do you have any ide idea what 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:03.559 the docuseries Ren Fair. 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:05.559 Is no, No, I don't. 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:10.479 This is I like weird documentaries with eccentric personalities. To 1:29:10.479 --> 1:29:13.840 put it mildly, So, there's a new docuseries on HBO 1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:16.599 Max that just came out last night. It's three episodes 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:19.480 and the first episode came out last night. It's about 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:23.360 the biggest renaissance fair in maybe the world, or at 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:26.960 least America. It's a little bit outside of Houston, maybe 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:30.439 like thirty minutes outside of Houston, and the owner is 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:33.840 like eighty six. He's this really weird guy that is 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:37.280 planning his death, wants to die at ninety five. And 1:29:37.880 --> 1:29:40.599 you see his full time employees. It's a huge scale operation. 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:43.280 He has a ton of full time employees. They're kind 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.200 of angling to take over the business once this guy retires. 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:49.040 It was described to me as a mixture between like 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:53.160 Tiger King and Succession, where you just have again a 1:29:53.160 --> 1:29:55.760 group of kind of odd people that are running this 1:29:55.800 --> 1:29:59.320 big business and angling like they don't talk about owning 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:02.000 the business, talk about being king of the empire, like 1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:05.599 a lot of weird personalities. Watched the first episode very amusing. 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.880 All right, I'll have to check it out. It's we 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:12.880 always look always looking for stuff Weird's good. Weird just good. 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:16.840 That's different. Hey, my recommendation is self serving. We just 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:22.040 threw up a tonight. We're throwing up Monday night our 1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:26.040 Pinehurst video. I think it's you know, we've been doing 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:29.559 these course profiles, our course profile videos for the US 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:34.040 Open since probably wing Foot was our first big one, 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:37.719 and I think they've gotten better and better every year. 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:41.120 This year's I'm I think it's probably the best one 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.599 we've done. I think last year's lacc one was pretty 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:48.920 great too, But this one we had billcore And and 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:52.559 Jeff Ogilvie on to talk. So Jeff, you know, from 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:56.639 a player that's played in US Opens at Pinehurst number two, 1:30:57.040 --> 1:31:00.680 and then Bill Corr, who obviously did the big restoration 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:04.960 of Pinehurst number two in the I think two thousand 1:31:05.000 --> 1:31:08.040 and nine twenty ten. So this was this was a 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:12.160 big production and we're very proud of it and it's 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:14.880 going to be It's up on YouTube. Go check it out. 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.880 It's about twenty minutes. Put it on your big screen. 1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:21.880 You know, got get that YouTube app fired up on 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.120 your on your TV. Put it on the big screen, 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:28.000 kick back and enjoy. I Uh, it's some beautiful footage. 1:31:28.479 --> 1:31:33.720 And and unbelievable interviews with h with Core and Ogilvy. 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:38.120 So I would check that out and thank you guys 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:40.600 for listening and all the support. And if you like 1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:43.960 that Pinehurst video, subscribe to our YouTube feed. We uh 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:46.759 we throw stuff up there. We hopefully throw more stuff 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:50.360 up there in the near future. But big thanks to 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:55.040 Matt Ruschis for editing and producing this podcast. We'll be 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:58.320 back later this week with another episode. It should be 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:02.160 Pinehurst centric, so it should be getting you ray for 1:32:02.200 --> 1:32:05.160 that US Open, and then next week we're at the 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:08.320 US Open. You'll be at the US Open. You got it. 1:32:08.560 --> 1:32:10.960 What are you most excited for for covering your first 1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:11.839 major in person? 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.680 I'm pretty familiar with Pinehurst, and I like being at 1:32:15.720 --> 1:32:17.880 a golf course that I have some context for, So 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:20.400 I think I'm just excited to see the way golfers 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.400 play shots that are completely different than what we see 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:24.360 year in and year out and watching it up close, 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:27.240 like the tight lies, the a lot of shots off 1:32:27.280 --> 1:32:30.760 of sandy soil, Like, I'm just excited to see some 1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:32.960 of the golfers that thrive in those conditions. So I'm 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:35.680 pretty excited to see some of the golfers that eject. 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:37.920 It's gonna be quite different than what we see weekend 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:39.679 and week out, so if people don't remember the twenty 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:43.960 fourteen US Open at Pinehurst, it's a completely different esthetic 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:45.960 and style of play than what you'd see like at 1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:46.719 the Canadian Open. 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:49.960 Yeah, it should be super fun. All right, we'll be back, 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:52.599 thanks Joseph, and we'll talk to you soon. 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:53.000 Thanks,